Pathfinder Kingmaker

How do I use this slut in battle? Her spellbook and class sucks.

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    By benching her and making a caster merc instead

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Swap her third and second place slot with Active Missile and Counterspell. Make sure she's got an arcane Tier as her main accessory and make sure to re-up buffs whenever they go down. Keep her away from combat but dont hang too far off the front line because the melee fighters need Uncanny Perception and Mana-Phase in order to optimize crit damage and reset CC cooldowns.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This

      Also be sure to stack Spell Burn early if you dont have any ranged attackers. If you've got a paladin or a ranger covering res you should be fine in most fights.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Her spellbook and class sucks.
    She is a freaking wizard, she can learn any spell from a scroll. What more do you want?

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Bench her and use the goblin instead. That little fucker with sneak attack four enemies to death before she can get a single spell off.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      She is useful during troll act. I hate using alchemical vials, and she has cantrips.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nok nok was definitely owlkeks pet favorite. You get pretty busted gear for him to carry you through bloom+cyclops

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Brap cloud spammer
    >bad

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    She's easy as sin to use effectively. what are you doing wrong?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If he knew what he was doing wrong, he wouldn't be doing it unless on purpose, in which case he wouldn't be complaining unless to bait, in which case your question is even more pointless than it already is.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It was a rhetorical question you dumb fox. Now fuck me already.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >dumb fox
          21 INT, peasant boy.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Dumb fox would know I would NEVER willfully help someone on Ganker. Even your autism won't save you this time. Now! REMOVE YOUR CLOTHES.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Fine. Do you worse, boy.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    With the rogue level she makes sense to be a sneak attack caster. Dont really worry about giving her too many cc spells, her DC will suck comparably. Make sure she can hit the touch AC and keep the enemy vulnerable to sneak attacks and let her rip with scorching ray

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Have her weapon spec in rays / ray spells and multiclass into Arcane Trickster as soon as possible and max it. There aren't many rays at the earlier levels so just have her use an x-bow for a while, casting utility spells like haste and that one yellow fist spell that gives +2 to rolls, I can't remember the name, and then whatever DPS spells you like, preferably the rays if you have the focus. Later on when you can get some more ray spells, the better ones like Disintegrate, she becomes probably the best DPS in the party, where her sneak damage can 1-shot just about anything.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Listen to this guy:
      Ignore all the other shitters.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Nooooooo There is only 1 way to play this gaaaaaaaaammmmme
        Bruh, he rolled a 19 and he missed.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Why are you getting the same dodge bonus from the same source twice? That don't seem right.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You use her to cast touch magic spells so she can sneak attack with them and do retard damage, only bad thing about Octavia is the 1 level in Rogue means she'll be slightly behind a pure Wizard in terms of spell progression
    >her spellbook sucks
    Then buy her some spells retard

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Look at the Rogue skill tree.
    The first 4 rogue levels are always overpowered, so you upgrade Rogue to level 4.
    Then you go Sword Saint the rest of the way. Duelist Sword specialisation is cool too.

    Fuck spellcasters, they are all weaksauce.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Never level her in rogue just take the extra sneak attack feat so you qualify for arcane trickster then hellfire ray everything.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Never level her in rogue
      Rogue Octavia is the strongest Octavia.

      Mageplebs always struggle because the class is weak in this setting.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Lvl 16 wizard in this setting has his tower located inside the actual star. Is this not powerful for you?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The journey matters. Being a grease bot throughout most of the game isn't "powerful".

          Slaughtering people with your Sword Saint / Rogue Dueling sword feels powerful.
          That's why OP is struggling.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Rogue Octavia is the strongest Octavia.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They unironically amplify each other.
          When Duelist Octavia land a hit, NokNok get a free attack with Opportunist.
          When someone attacks NokNokm the Duelist Octavia will land a parry.

          NokNok can Debilitate opponent's AC.
          Octavia can Debilitate opponent's To Hit.
          That's why dual Rogue front lines are actually extremely powerful.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Aldori Defender Duelist is actually extremely powerful for Octavia as well.

    Aldori defender give free Dueling Sowrd Proficiency which is very powerful in this game.
    It five her a ton of feats to make her strong melee class.
    It gives her Weapon Training which makes her the only NPC who can use Duelist Gloves.

    A few Rogue levels will only enhance this even further.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ah, what a scene. Immediately after rescuing Tavi and her pet from slavers, you give her a dueling sword. "You are an aldori defender now. Yes-yes, I heard what you said about being a wizard. Now go kill these kobolds for me."

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Octavia get 33 AC if you stack up Duelist with Sword Saint + a few Rogue levels.
    +7 from Chain shirt, ring and Dodge
    +6 from Canny Defense Sword Saint
    +6 from Canny Defense Duelist

    You could get it even higher by selecting Crane Style, Crane Wing and fighting Defensively.
    Melee Octavia is pretty powerful.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      She still failed to defend her dicky against me, if you catch my meaning.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Get the Arcane Trickster prestige class. Get some offense spells and watch the Sneak Attack damage pile up.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't know why Rogues suck in Pathfinder games. Almost every single melee class has +12 Fortitude saves at max level. That's so they don't die from instant-death moves from lategame enemies. The rogue is a melee class that has only +6 Fortitude and it also doesn't get full base attack bonus (only +15) while certain classes get +20 (not even including buffs and other passives). I know it has debilitating attacks that weaken the target's AC, but that's only if the rogue actually connects the attack. The rogue can't cast magic without the Eldritch Scoundrel archetype, and that also diminishes it's physical attack potential. The rogue also doesn't have good armor class bonuses and doesn't equip shields because Sneak Attack works better with two weapons. And what if you face enemies that are immune to precision damage or sneak attack? Then the rogue is just fucking useless. It just needs a huge overhaul. If I were to buff the rogue, I would give it +12 Fortitude at level 20, full BAB, and a gradual +5 dodge bonus passive. Every other class in the game is better than a rogue. There is no excuse to why the base class Rogue is so much weaker than the hybrid class Slayer.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I don't know why Rogues suck in Pathfinder games.
      Rogues are awesome.
      Finesse Training is neat, it's build into the class so you don't have to pick Slashing Grace.
      Debilitating injury is OP.as fuck.
      You get Evasion.
      You get Uncanny Dodge.
      You get Weapon Finesse.
      You get 2 feats
      You get 2D6 sneaks

      All of that in a small Multiclass package of 4 levels.

      Why are you getting the same dodge bonus from the same source twice? That don't seem right.

      Sword Saint + Duelist

      Octavia get 33 AC if you stack up Duelist with Sword Saint + a few Rogue levels.
      +7 from Chain shirt, ring and Dodge
      +6 from Canny Defense Sword Saint
      +6 from Canny Defense Duelist

      You could get it even higher by selecting Crane Style, Crane Wing and fighting Defensively.
      Melee Octavia is pretty powerful.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm talking about as a pure 20 class. It's really bad. The only good archetypes it has are Knife Master and Eldritch Scoundrel.

        Uncanny Dodge is only good when fighting other enemies with Sneak Attack or other quick enemies. Just be faster at initiative and you won't even need it. Other classes have Evasion. Other classes can weaken enemies with debuffs. Dex weapons aren't always that great because you typically don't get the extra bonus modifier on two-handed weapons that you would normally get with a Str weapon. And I already mentioned that enemies can be immune to sneak attack damage. Rogues also can't buff the party members or heal. So it's job is to deal damage, which it can't do well. But at least it has Trapfinding and all those extra skills.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >I'm talking about as a pure 20 class
          That's still fine for a flanker. The Advanced Rogue talents are extremely potent which you get 6 of those. Take a look into the catalogue of advanced Rogue talents.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Then go for a Slayer then.
            >gets +12 Fortitude saves at max level
            >gets 6d6 sneak attack at max level
            >gets bonus damage and attack rolls on top of having full BAB
            >also gets rogue talents and advanced rogue talents
            >also gets Ranger Combat feats

            There's no excuse why every other base class is stronger than a hybrid class. It's only the Rogue that is weak.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              No thank you. Rogue is fine and thematic for the stolen lands.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And I forgot. The Slayer can also get Trapfinding but must unlock it as feat. The slayer is just so much better than a Rogue.

                I just think the Rogue should be way stronger than it needs to be. It needs to be rebalanced. That's what I think.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >>I just think the Rogue should be way stronger than it needs to be
                No it doesn't. It already is one of the strongest classes.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >fails fortitude save and dies
                Thematically Rogues are great. But they're just weak.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nope. If the Knifemaster is strong, then the default Rogue is also strong.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I just realised it's a massive mistake to not roll with a 2 handed weapon when you are a Sword Saint.

    The question is just wether or not there exist agile 2 handed weapons.
    The Rogue class' Finesse training is sort of wasted if you don't have an agile weapon.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    She has 8 con, she is useless.
    All you can really do with her is spam sirocco.
    Solid bench.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Con doesn't matter. Just use her for lcanking and she can parry for your main tanker.

      Each successful Parry gives a free riposte. She is pretty dang stronk.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I guess the best way to avoid failing a fort save is to never save in the first place.
        Works until it doesn't, then quickload.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Who is casting fortitude spells on you? And which spells?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            spells?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Why is she required to make fortitude saves?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                same reason she'd make a reflex or a will save.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So you can't answer, that means you're a liar.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No u.
                I can dismiss your claim with the same standard of evidence used to raise it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I didn't make a claim. I asked you who is attacking her that needs Fortitidee saves.
                You had 0 answer.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Wrong.
                Claims are thus
                >8 con
                >will fail every fort save
                >useless
                You assert there are no fort saves in pfkm with no proof.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >>>will fail every fort save
                You got butthurt as soon as I asked for an example, and you failed to provide any.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't have to because its absurd to suggest that a pc wont make a fort save.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I didn't make any such suggestion.

                I was asking you which threat in the game is forcing you to fortitude save.
                First the threat needs to be real, after this you are allowed to be alarmist.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm refusing to dignify absurdity with a good faith response.
                Octavia will fail every fort save and has no hitpoints. And any con damage kills her.
                Awful hero.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So the threat only exist in your head. Take your meds scizo.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >meds
                You were holding your ground till you went to adhom.
                Shame.
                I do not enjoy this victory.

                Let it be known henceforth that Octavia is a benchwarmer.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Thanks for admitting you had nothing. So you invented the problem inside your sick head.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                im not the person you're talking to but how about damn near every single 'cloud' spell in the game except mind fog, finger of death, wail of banshee, most other necromancy spells, most poisons and even more shit like petrification

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >every single 'cloud' spell in the game except mind fog, finger of death
                Which enemies are casting those?

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't really know what I'm doing but I'm demolishing everything on Hard difficulty and this is my Octavia build

    I speced her into using mostly fire damage spells and a bow

    Transmutation spells suck so i just ignore it

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >wizard
    >elemental specialist subclass
    >dumpster enchantment
    >dumpster divination
    simple as
    impossible to go wrong with it

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