Pathfinder Wrath of the Righteous

EE coming in September 29 (unless it gets delayed)
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>Mythic path
>Class
>Romance

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >Swarm-that-Walks
    >Instinctual Warrior
    >Arueshalae

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Lich
      >Sorcerer+Dragon Disciple+Eldritch Knight
      >Camellia

      > swarm
      > lich
      are they fun? gonna pick this up once im done with kingmaker and these two really stand out to me. might need to do two evil runs

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Swarm is alright but is blatantly unfinished. What little content there is is alright but i'd wait for the EE

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Lich,angel and aeon are the best mythic paths because they have a narrative theme going for them, and lich also forces you to roleplay or else you're screwed

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Does angel give you wings with +3 ac vs melee like the Aasimar Wings feat?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Yes. Stacks with other sources of wings as well, so you could go Aasimar, mutagen and angel for maximum wingage.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >too many wings
              Hellllll yeah

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Is it possible to get your mentor to like you so you dont have to beg like a b***h for your soul jar.

          I agreed with him on nearly everything and he still tried to cuck me

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >I agreed with him on nearly everything and he still tried to cuck me
            Such is the fate of a Lich

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >I agreed with him on nearly everything
            >act like a cuck
            >surprised that he gets cucked
            lichtards are something else

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Most of the stuff he wants you to do is very pragmatically evil and what I would have done anyways.

              I just don't understand why he was such a whiny b***h afterwards. I need to know if there's a way to stop him from being a homosexual because I don't want to have to put him down.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Playing lich right now and its a lot of fun if you go gish. It feels almost tailor made for it. Theres a quicken metamagic rod that refreshes uses if you kill something with certain necromancy spells and eldritch knight quickening any spell on crit creates a really fun play pattern. As far as the specific lich stuff, I was a bit disappointed that you can only really rock a fully undead party by the end of the game.

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >Lich
    >Sorcerer+Dragon Disciple+Eldritch Knight
    >Camellia

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      How to do your Lich class? Is it
      6 sorcerer (crossblooded is okay as well?)/4 DD/10 EK?
      Also how with stats?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >6 sorcerer/4DD/10EK
        Yeah pretty much. I think they nerfed cross blooded sorcerer a bit buy you can experiment if you don't paly on meme difficulties
        >stats
        I pump charisma and strength because obviously they're your caster stat and later you get it for hp instead of constitution. Strength is also easier to get than dex.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I see. For this build it's probably better to go 2H right?
          Also how was crossblooded nerfed? I heard going abyssal and draconic works good. Did that change?
          Also let me guess... Angelkin Assimar is the best for this build.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Half ef kindred raised is good too, +2 to charisma and +2 to stat of choice. 2h weapon is fine but there is a gimmick of applying geniekind to yourself since you're a gish and hitting with elemental barrage and that's stronger with dual wielding, but again it's for meme difficulties.

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >Lich
    >Kineticist
    >Wenduag

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >Mythic path
    None, they should be removed from the system, way to powerful and the game treats you as only those paths for roleplaying instead of reacting to you class choices

    >Class
    Eh probably sword Saint magus

    >Romance

    None because all the characters are terrible

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      They will never react to your class with or without mythic

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        seelah reacts if you're a paladin

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          How many lines?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            don't remember. she reacts when you meet, and possibly later too

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          no she doesn't, she calls you a fellow crusader if you tell her you're there to fight demons, no matter if you're actually a paladin or not

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Yes they do with paladin and hellknight

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I did hellknight signifier and nobody said shit

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Regil reacts to it I think

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah no, every time a hellknight appears they say something about it, it even influences the trial

              Nope. I did respec before the trial though because litteraly nobody said shit and the only reason I diped was for reactivity

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah no, every time a hellknight appears they say something about it, it even influences the trial

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        you get a cool robe if you're an arcane trickster

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Aribeth has a line for your class at the tavern defense

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          A whole line?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            what more do you want?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          if you worship Cayden he also gives you his blessing to defend the tavern

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Deity reactivity is not that bad for most deities.
            Class reactivity is a whole different issue

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >Greybor
              >recruting him
              >ever
              shiggy

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >being that much of a shitter that a tevern gets attacked at all
            i shiggy diggy

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >missing out on XP and free alchemist fires

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >free xp
                the little exp you get won't make a difference in the long run. you're better off getting 1 extra random encounter in chapter 5

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Mythic path
        None, they should be removed from the system, way to powerful and the game treats you as only those paths for roleplaying instead of reacting to you class choices

        >Class
        Eh probably sword Saint magus

        >Romance

        None because all the characters are terrible

        Theres class reactivity when you're signing up for battle bliss in act 4

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >instead of reacting to you class choices
      token dialogue for a billion different classes wouldn't actually improve the game

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Isn't this just logical?

      If you had a chat with a Fighter Aeon, would you address with as a fighter? Or address him as an Aeon?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        you don't get your mythic transformation until act 5

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Until then you're addressed as the commander of crusade.
          That's also logical.

          The same way you address the queen as a royal, and not as a paladin.

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    What's the difference between the game that's out now and EE?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      unfinished mess, slightly less unfinished mess

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        False, the EE will introduce brand new bugs while fixing none of the ones currently present.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        False, the EE will introduce brand new bugs while fixing none of the ones currently present.

        Is there going to be anything new in EE?
        Should I wait for it instead of playing now?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          ee will flash out the least popular and developed paths anon. if being:
          >an all devouring swarm of bugs
          >a scalie that forgibs everyone
          >a scheming devil israelite mf
          appeals to you, then wait for the ee. if you'd like to play the main mythic paths you can do it now

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Okay I'm going Azata so that's all good.
            Can I transfer my regular save to EE?

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              unless your save file gets corrupted

              >>a scheming devil israelite mf
              the only one i'm looking foreward to. the other two are just trash

              glory to asmodeus!

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                I probably wouldn't bank on it, if you can finish your run before EE comes out that's probably a better idea. Otherwise if it does corrupt your save you can revert to an earlier version.

                I see alright.
                Thanks!

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              I probably wouldn't bank on it, if you can finish your run before EE comes out that's probably a better idea. Otherwise if it does corrupt your save you can revert to an earlier version.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >>a scheming devil israelite mf
            the only one i'm looking foreward to. the other two are just trash

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Is this confirmed or wishful thinking?

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              What do you think it is?

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              wishful thinking. If anything we'll get more puzzles it's the only thing owlcat wants to do

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              it was confirmed that all paths will get additional content

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Will it be substantial enough to justify the wait?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Any class that can perform Trip maneuver as a part of their full attack round is in my list of favourite classes.

            But that's not enough, we need the proper devil's girlfriend as well!

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >Aeon
    >Scaled Fist Monk
    >Arushulae

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Demon > legend
    Primalist
    Arue

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >Legend
    >Sanctified Slayer
    >I'm not a coomer

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I've been wondering about how Sanctified Slayer plays, are you just casting self-buffs or were you still investing in the enchantment spells?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        It's an inquisitor that trades his judgement(his worst ability imo) for 5d6 sneak attack and studied target which in WOTR means you can also get your studied target bonus to AC, you get some feats but thats too late in the game to matter. While you don't have the full bab progression you can makeup for that with guarded hearth. Basically you deal more damage than a rogue, hit more often, can excel at all skill checks and serve as party face because of the bonuses to perception and persuasion and you don't need a wizard to watch over you because you can self buff. It's one of my favorite classes because you're pretty good by yourself you don't really need anyone else to make your class work

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >melee
          *dips monk*
          *laughs in grease*

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            You are gonna need a lot of WIS to benefit from Guarded Hearth so you monk dip is gonna work well for you, you can also put one level into witch to get iceplant hex with ring and lizard familiar for a +5 natural armor and access to mage armor to get +8 AC from archmage armor

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Oh wow how fun, a worse slayer that can cast those same buffs your 24H divine casters are gonna cast every map anyway.

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Who else didn't know Areelu was a multiphase bossfight?

  10. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >EE
    What would change in a EE? Didn't stick around long enough to see Kingmaker's EE

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >EE coming in September 29
      But the last DLC isn't even out yet.

      So people who own the original version will get all the updates in the EE, right? I only own the EE of Kingmaker so I don't know if that was the case in that game.

      IIRC the enhanced edition is literally just the base game with the DLCs included.

  11. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Lads

    Why are Alchemist and Druid so cucked?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I don't know, why are they?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Explain

        They're bad

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Alchemist hits Touch AC and bypass magic resistance.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Alchemist hits Touch AC
            Alchemist can hit deez nutz he does no damage

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Once you're level 10 Alchemist, try to give him a few Underground Chemist levels and see if this enables you do deal Splash Sneak attacks
              https://pathfinderwrathoftherighteous.wiki.fextralife.com/Precise+Splash+Weapons

              Rogue Talent Dispelling Attack might be very useful
              There is also a Rogue Talent that halves the opponent's moments in addition to another effect of your choice.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >Rogue Talent Dispelling Attack might be very useful
                What's the DC on that shit?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                No idea. I haven't tried experimenting yet.

                Vivisectionist / Underground Chemist sounds like a powerful combination as well.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Apparently it's caster level 4 if you have Vivisectionist 16/ Underground Chemist 4.

                Unless you can select it from Vivisectionist discovery.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              The point is to throw a force bomb to make them go prone or a holy bomb to stagger them so everyone else can murder them easily.
              And with fast bombs, damage per turn goes decently high, though you run through teh stock.
              Still a shame we do not get the kingmaker grenade boost equipment

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >The point is to throw a force bomb to make them go prone or a holy bomb to stagger them so everyone else can murder them easily.
                Now how about this revolutionary idea, instead play a character that can hit them hard and kill them in a way that doesn't slow down action economy?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Do you call it ;slowing down action economy' when your wizard uses CC>

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                99% of the time it is.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Explain

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Grenadier and Vivisectionist are both good, base Alchemist is just a worse Grenadier which is a shame. Metamorph could be interesting since it still gets full mutagen but it's a shame it doesn't appear to get Dragonkind III. Churigeon does just seem like a worse cleric. Incense Synthesizer seems like it could be an interesting merc but the group buff/debuffs it provides are generally outclassed by full casters.

      Druids get a full animal companion and a decent full spell list, the game is going to punish trying to split focus much though with enemy SR/saves so you aren't going to be a wildshape melee powerhouse while also landing debuffs on enemies. I'm not sure if you take the domain instead of companion if you could get community domain from Impossible Domain, if so a druid merc could replace Sosiel if you want.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >base Alchemist is just a worse Grenadier which is a shame
        That's not strictly true. The base Alchemist can gain Precise Bomb through Alchemist discovery.
        The Grenadier can never gain poison immunity.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >The Grenadier can never gain poison immunity.
          Not that guy but with delay poison that becomes trivial to achieve

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I saw a D&D session where the entire party got manhandled by Drow poison.
            Apparently their cleric didn't have that memorised.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Tabletop utility is a whole different beast.
              Invulnerable rager dr with d12 HP actually matters

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Sure, but in the context of WOTR there's only a handful of dangerous poisons, and other than stinking cloud I think they're all from melee hits so a normal Alchemist probably wouldn't be tanking those. Even if you're doing a first blind playthrough you'll probably get Daeran delay poison or get some scrolls of it after the Leper's Smile cave.

  12. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    If I don't save Daeran in Kenabres, will Galfrey still saddle me with him afterwards?

  13. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I wish there was some way to play pathfinder with my friends and make our own adventure...

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I don't, I just want more single player video games. Unfortunately they are not working on anything new irght now that is Pathfinder related.

      I can only hope enhanced Edition will be excellent.

  14. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    before I purchase EE I need to know if the game represents trans-persons

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      anevia is trans

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        tf? when do they tell you? i never saw any of that shit in my run

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          You can find out near the end if you keep asking her questions and pass a diplo check

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Makes sense. If you're going to pry into people's privacy and use your skills to trick it out of them, then you shouldn't really be offended by what they tell you.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      well you pick up angel mythic path and you weren't born as one so that makes you trans. google trans angels for more information

  15. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I finished the game and...
    I think this is the first time I truly regret completing a game.
    I should have replay IE classics or play more Solasta.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      You regret because the game was bad or because you wish there was more?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        1. End slides were unsatisfying.
        2. The game was - arguably - worse than Kingmaker.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          It was arguably better

  16. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Is Lich Spellbook merge to Swarm stronger than full Lich?
    Do you even lose anything?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      you lose lich abilities, but unless they patched it you still keep the spellbook

  17. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Romances in this game are lackluster. Wenduag and Camellia are both evil romances. While it's nice that they had more than just the one for once, there's too much overlap. The only neutral one is a Succubus trying not to be evil, so a bit more of the same. And finally a GILF with virtually no content as the sole good option.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      But Arueshalae is good and that's ignoring the fact that she gets a good alignment at the end of her questline. And Wenduag can be made neutral.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >But Arueshalae is good
        Arueshelae's is very sappy. Which is fine if that's what you're into. And I'm pretty sure whoever wrote it writes Kpop boy band fanfiction on AO3.
        Daeran's is definitely written for women, it doesn't remotely follow the Bioware established pattern of Express Interest -> Assert Interest -> Assert Interest -> We'll bang, ok -> Romance concluded. Daeran's romance feels like HE'S the one doing the romancing. I believe his romance storyline was written by someone who liked bodice rippers.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >I'm pretty sure whoever wrote it writes Kpop boy band fanfiction on AO3
          Close, the man who wrote Arue is the biggest fricking weeb in the company. He dedicated his thesis to "A Critique of Pure Haruhism"
          >http://old.mirf.ru/Articles/art3077.htm
          Also
          https://www.mirf.ru/worlds/10-fantasticheskih-uchebnyh-zavedenij/
          >casually cites Utena among other things
          I wouldn't be surprised if he posts in these threads
          If you thought that WOTR is kinda anime-esque at certain points, it's most likely because of him and people like him.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >casually cites Utena
            That explains why Arueshelae's romance is pure /u/ bait

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >/u/ bait
              How?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I would also like to point out that this guy looked like an actual human being a mere 7 years ago. Pic related is him today.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >I'm pretty sure whoever wrote it writes Kpop boy band fanfiction on AO3
              Close, the man who wrote Arue is the biggest fricking weeb in the company. He dedicated his thesis to "A Critique of Pure Haruhism"
              >http://old.mirf.ru/Articles/art3077.htm
              Also
              https://www.mirf.ru/worlds/10-fantasticheskih-uchebnyh-zavedenij/
              >casually cites Utena among other things
              I wouldn't be surprised if he posts in these threads
              If you thought that WOTR is kinda anime-esque at certain points, it's most likely because of him and people like him.

              shit. I think i know this guy. Pretty sure i've seen him way back when I was into anime and spend my time among likeminded weebs

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                http://old.mirf.ru/Articles/art3338.htm
                >interview with a head of cosplay costume company
                Mad lad.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I don't care about what you think about the romances, just pointing out that the only actual evil romance in the game is Camellia.

  18. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    So people who own the original version will get all the updates in the EE, right? I only own the EE of Kingmaker so I don't know if that was the case in that game.

  19. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    azata
    sorcerer
    arueshalae

  20. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I really want to do a full 10 level Hellknight Devil run for the EE (assuming Devil gets fixed)
    Not sure what to do with the other 10 levels though

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Some charisma based martials?
      There should be at least a few options.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      10 Armiger 10 Hellknight.

  21. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    How viable is a Sorcerer Monk Dragon Disciple shape-shifter build?
    What are the shape-shifting must haves?
    I think you absolutely need Master Shapeshifter and Mythic Natural Attacks right?
    What about spells?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      How does shapeshifting work in this? It was a mess in nwn

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        What do you mean how?
        You press button and become a tiger.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Do you get the benefits from your equipments?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            You get benefits from some equipment, lizard tail for example

            I want to try making a meme build with Natural Attacks + Demon mythic path. At the moment im thinking going Oracle at lvl 1 then dip into Vivisectionist, Bloodrager and Dragon disciple somehow. Ive never looked into Feral Champion though, only heard its not very good but would it be any use here?

            Literally just go 20 in instinctual warrior, use amulet of agile fists until you get demon forms
            half orc (razortusk) get bite from rage powers, get all beast totems (pounce), mythic charge, aspect of kalavakus

            Your computer will almost crash on a charge, you'll have 140+AC fully buffed (I'm using TTT so some things that stack in vanilla aren't stacking here, like size bonuses+polymorph)

            10
            18
            10
            13
            20
            7

            You'll have ac from combat expertise, DEX, and WIS, you'll always start first and your charge will always catch someone flat footed, you can blow up any boss on a charge on unfair.
            There's a few more things but you can figure them out by yourself.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Dang, that does seem alot easier to go for, though being multiclass freak has its charm. Did you have a Skald here? Was thinking if i should grab a merc and just go 20 levels in it

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Is AB not a worry here? Doesn't fighting defensively, combat expertise decrease your attack by a lot?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                You get a lot from focused rage+demonic rage (they stack).
                Also, you don't really need guarded stance tbh, you can just get reckless stance, nothing will be able to hit you anyway

                btw, on this charge I dealt 2584 damage kek

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                That's pretty cool, interesting you went for dex and wis on a barb. I'm playing a str bloodrage right now, definitely lacking the armor.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >interesting you went for dex and wis on a barb
                You can easily make it work with a STR build, it would actually be better, the DEX is there just for the AC after all.

                If you drop guarded stance, combat experitse and DEX you would probably get like 20 or something less AC and you'd be much better when you're not charging, you'd probably still be untouchable by practically any enemy, it's a matter of preference.
                Personally I was just going for an obnoxious amount of AC and abusing kalavakus+pounce.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                That's pretty cool, interesting you went for dex and wis on a barb. I'm playing a str bloodrage right now, definitely lacking the armor.

                >If you drop guarded stance, combat experitse and DEX you would probably get like 20 or something less AC
                Meant 30 less AC

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                For sure. If you're rolling with concealment at all times you don't really need much more than ~70 AC.

  22. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I want to try making a meme build with Natural Attacks + Demon mythic path. At the moment im thinking going Oracle at lvl 1 then dip into Vivisectionist, Bloodrager and Dragon disciple somehow. Ive never looked into Feral Champion though, only heard its not very good but would it be any use here?

  23. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    What are the deets for EE anyway?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Nothing

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Hundreds of brand new bugs and even worse writing.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Shouldn't EE be bug free since they had all that time to iron those out?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          For every 2 bugs they fix, a new one appears.
          In 20 years, we may be left with one singular bug

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          sorry, but this cyprus company's employees were too busy shooting hohols

  24. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Why the frick is Octavia's favorite school transmuation? It's such a nothing burger school jesus christ. Why not evocation if they obviously wanted her to be an arcane trickster?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      So she can throw more hastes

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Hey at least it's not divination

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      To fix Regongar's micropenis

  25. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I hope trickster gets even more ebin pranks in EE. How about turning socothbenoth into your loving trad wife for example?

  26. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    So what's the advantage of using natural attacks over a good weapon anyway?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Claws granted by bloodlines scale as you level any class that shares that bloodline. Eventually they become magical, deal greater damage, and add energy damage at later levels.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        What are the classes that boost your bloodline?

        You get benefits from some equipment, lizard tail for example

        [...]
        Literally just go 20 in instinctual warrior, use amulet of agile fists until you get demon forms
        half orc (razortusk) get bite from rage powers, get all beast totems (pounce), mythic charge, aspect of kalavakus

        Your computer will almost crash on a charge, you'll have 140+AC fully buffed (I'm using TTT so some things that stack in vanilla aren't stacking here, like size bonuses+polymorph)

        10
        18
        10
        13
        20
        7

        You'll have ac from combat expertise, DEX, and WIS, you'll always start first and your charge will always catch someone flat footed, you can blow up any boss on a charge on unfair.
        There's a few more things but you can figure them out by yourself.

        >140 ac
        That can't be right.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Do claws benefit from unarmed bonuses?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          No. Natural attacks are considered distinct from unarmed attacks.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          No, natural attacks are considered a weapon, which means they can benefit from weapon finesse and other bonuses

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Wondering this too, in game like bg or neverwinter you had weapon so op using claws and shit was a waste

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      There is none. It's a build you do for fun, not because it's good.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Something with 2 claws like Feral Champion gets 2 attacks without penalties at level 1, which is pretty good. Secondary natural attacks only get a -5 penalty, and you can stack different bites for some reason so some people make builds with 3-4 bite attacks at almost full BAB. Wildshapes are also usually good, smilodeon gets 4 claw attacks at full BAB and pounce. Brutality Incarnate is also pretty nice, occasionally you'll run into things with DR you can't easily overcome and your natural attacker can just claw them down.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Wildshapes are also usually good, smilodeon gets 4 claw attacks at full BAB and pounce.
        Does wildshape/shapechange use your natural bab or do they have their own?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          It should be your BAB, they are just a polymorph effect.

  27. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >angel
    >celestial/abyssal primalist
    >dunno yet

  28. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >Aeon
    >Paladin
    >Galfrey

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Aeon
      >Galfrey
      Renegade detected.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Renegade detected.
        Pic rel.
        Everything about the last level and even before screamed how it was bound to end for Aeon, but I still had a bittersweet taste after the ending slides, especially if you implant memories into your party members[.
        Frick it was good./spoiler]

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >especially if you implant memories into your party members
          why would you be so cruel?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >why would you be so cruel?
            I-I didn't want to be, how could I have known, I just wanted my qween waifu... ;____;

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >especially if you implant memories into your party members
          why would you be so cruel?

          Only you don't cease to exist, since Pharasma's judgement of Areelu shows you can will yourself back into being whenever you want.
          So it's more a case of "erased from memory/history".

          Also, did they finally fix the ending slides for the Pure Aeon who doesn't retcon everything?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            can an aeon visit arue in the abyss?

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              You see, Anon, the endings and ending slides for Aeon have been broken/glitched for so long I have no idea.
              It was around the fricking APRIL 2022 patch that they re-enabled the broken option of being a Pure Aeon and NOT rectonning the Worldwound.

  29. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Azata
    Monk/Sorcerer/Dragon Disciple/Loremaster
    Arueshalae

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      This Anon wants slots who are addicted to sex.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        That's not true!
        I just love sexy women!

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >not wanting slots to be addicted
          This Anon is a letdown

  30. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Do you get anything in the maingame for completing Through the Ashes DLC like it was with Inevitable Excess?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Wait you get something in the main game for completing Inevitable Excess?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah if you get the best ending in Inevitable Excess, you'l get a new ability and there will be some voids you can interact with at certain areas that give you OP items like this ring you get from Sosiel's quest in Act 2

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Oh fuggggg :DDD

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          seems almost like cheating...

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Its super strong but you only get it from doing the best ending for the DLC so you might as well have some fun with next playthrough

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              I guess I'll finally get around to doing the DLC before the EE drops then.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I didn't realize you needed a best ending for the ability, I did it on normal and just killed everyone. However the items are only from completing on Core I think, and there are other items for killing the secret boss on Hard.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            The extra loot is from killing the Playful Darkness boss, the buff I think is just completing the game. Kill boss on hard for max rewards.

  31. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >Looking at ecclesitheurge
    >air and weather seems to be the best choice for primary domain
    >tied to Shitlyn and a literally who god
    What do?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      You could go Rovagug for weather and take air as impossible domain. Gozreh would give you trident proficiency though, that seems thematic for a lightning lord.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Can't go wrong with Shelyn.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Meh I prefer the fire b***h

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Both are good but I'm not big on the redemption thing.
          >redeem your enemies if you can
          No, I rather kill all the uglies and redeem all the hotties if I can and if they are willing to worship me lolol.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Isn't Shelyn the one going full redemption whereas Sarenrae is "if they're sincere fine if not slice their head"?

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Shelyn is the goddess of beauty.
              She is a dumb bimbo basically.
              Sarenrae is more stern.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Are they part of the lesbian trinity?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                I think so. With Desna.
                I dislike Sarenrae mainly for what she put poor Tristian through in Kingmaker.
                My fave is Desna though.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >for what she put poor Tristian through in Kingmaker
                Nothing?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >what she put poor Tristian
                serenrae did nothing wrong. tristian is a dumb moron, and i'm saying this as someone who fricked him silly

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                I also fricked him silly
                >with a poleaxe.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >She is a dumb bimbo basically.
                Don't be mean to the Baron's waifu!

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                It's not a bad thing.
                I love me some dumb bimbos.

                >for what she put poor Tristian through in Kingmaker
                Nothing?

                >what she put poor Tristian
                serenrae did nothing wrong. tristian is a dumb moron, and i'm saying this as someone who fricked him silly

                Sarenrae refused to help her servant in need.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >Sarenrae refused to help her servant in need.
                it was a teaching moment

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Which is why I don't like her.
                Not a fan of those types of patrons.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >wahhhh I want mommy goddess to do everything for me!!!!

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Tristian was the one who thought he was hot shit and ended up getting btfo by Nyrissa only to join her because he believed her like a moron

                How can I trust Sarenrae if she won't even help her most devout of followers?

                This isn't even Sarenrae's first such frick up. She lost her own herald to Rovagug because she was a moron.

                https://pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Kohal

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Tristian was the one who thought he was hot shit and ended up getting btfo by Nyrissa only to join her because he believed her like a moron

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >Sarenrae refused to help her servant in need
                When he saw one set of footprints, she was carrying him.

  32. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    If I hire a merc, does the EXP I share decrease? Meaning would it take longer for me to reach lvl 20

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      no

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      No, the XP is never split more than 6 ways.

  33. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Is Greater Command a spell viable to specialise into for an Angel Crusader Cleric that decided to Wisdom max while focusing on Enchantment school that only just discovered that there are frick all good Enchantment spells for Cleric? Asking for a friend.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      No.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I remember the autistic demon frogtard saying it was great, don't remember why though. Also it's probably better on a wizard

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        *on a wizard with loremaster level

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      It will probably be serviceable for a bit, the problem with Enchantment in general is how many enemies Owlcat decided to stick immunity to compulsion and mind-affecting on (Gallus in particular don't have any enchantment immunity at all in tabletop and for some reason have mind-affecting in WOTR). With that said Angel will get you access to 9th level spells really early so you'll probably be negating whole encounters by the end of Act 3, it will fall off eventually but then you can switch to spamming Mass Bolt of Justice like everyone else.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        With the early level 9, would holding out for Overwhelming Presence be the superior choice? This is my first time playing Core, so in hindsight I should not have picked a gimmicky shitbuild to experiment with.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          If you're talking about spell specialization, you can change the spell you picked whenever you gain a level. With that said spell specialization increases the caster level of a spell, not the DC, so for Enchantment spells it's usually just adding one more round to the duration which isn't that great, it's more useful for spells that scale damage per caster level. Otherwise you're a cleric so you get access to every divine spell and can change which you have memorized freely before resting, you don't need to hold out in any way.

  34. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >buff myself with a spell that grants immunity to fear
    >still get feared
    sasuga

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      What spell exactly? And what fight

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Greater Heroism and it was some fights in Threshold

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Was the debuff on your characters actually fear? The Gallu in there cast Tsunami which knocks your characters back, since they do 3 spells a turn sometimes the camera moves away after they cast it.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Was definitely fear, all my guys running around like chickens with their heads cut off.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              From my last run a month ago, I can confirm that with Mindblank, my team did not get stage fright. Do you hvae slost for that?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                I can probably slot it in

                Just use a paladin lmao, didn't get feared even once after Hosilla.

                The point is that the spell which explicitly states it grants people affected by it Fear Immunity doesn't actually make you immune to Fear.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Just use a paladin lmao, didn't get feared even once after Hosilla.

  35. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I'm not good at building characters in games like these, can someone help me make a roleplay friendly melee lich? I want a character in armour and a 2h weapon fricking shit up while also being able to drop those sweet spells.

    Should I start level 1 as scaled fist or ignore that? 3 levels in hell Knight signifier? 6 levels in sorc? I don't need min max.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      6 in Sorcerer, 4 in Signifier and 10 in Eldritch Knight I heard works well enough. Basically it seems like going with 6 Sorcerer and 10 EK can work with anything in between.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Really depends on the difficulty. If playing normal then anything should work, pick the cool sounding classes and feats. You can also respec whenever

        You wouldn't go monk if you want to wear armor. With the full caster mythics you probably want to either do a class that merges with the mythic (for Lich that's wizard, sorcerer and arcanist) or a full BAB martial so your base class isn't overlapping your mythic path. Mythic spells don't have arcane failure chance and usually ignore spell resistance, so you could do a fighter that just casts Lich spells on dead turns and pick up the good Lich powers for martials. Otherwise [...] works as a full armored arcane caster, I think if you put the feats into arcane armor training and take order of the gate you have enough ASF reduction to wear mithril full plate.

        Thanks lads. Just to finish: what should my stats look like? Also is the sorc just a plain sorc or sage sorc? Thanks.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          If you are going lich, normal sorc is better

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            BTW I heard Cross bloodline Sorcerer got nerfed. In what way?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Strength > Cha > Con > Dex > Wis > Int. If you go Sage Sorc you'd switch int and cha, not sure what bloodline would be the best though.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I'm not good at building characters in games like these, can someone help me make a roleplay friendly melee lich? I want a character in armour and a 2h weapon fricking shit up while also being able to drop those sweet spells.

        Should I start level 1 as scaled fist or ignore that? 3 levels in hell Knight signifier? 6 levels in sorc? I don't need min max.

        This is the right choice and what I did too. I would heavily suggest not taking the signifier levels before the EK levels though. The EK line doesnt really give you anything good(aside from full casting and BAB progression simultaneously) until you get all 10 levels at which point it becomes based, so youll want to enjoy that for more than just the final dungeon.

        I'd suggest 5 exploiter wizard (so you can increase the caster level of your spells and get access to shit like 24 hour sense vitals/geniekind/haste earlier) 1 hellknight signifier level(Wear stauntons mithral armor and take the hellknight order that reduces spell failure) so you get your death knight aesthetics for 1 level dip and only 10% spell fail chance and then hard dump into EK so you can quicken spells on crit by the end of act 4

        Focus into falchions for that sweet 15-20 crit range but scyhes are also a good option for the huge crit damage with all the additional shit you're tossing onto your weapon strikes (elemental barrage from 24 hour geniekinds, your death knight spell that I forget the name of and sense vitals)

        Not to mention wide sweep is one of the best fricking weapons in the game and you get it in act 2

        I'd also advise taking fear control as your lich mythic for the BAB boost and to not pick deadly magic at all since if you're not a shit lich youll get deadly magic for free thanks to your phylactery

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Really depends on the difficulty. If playing normal then anything should work, pick the cool sounding classes and feats. You can also respec whenever

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      You wouldn't go monk if you want to wear armor. With the full caster mythics you probably want to either do a class that merges with the mythic (for Lich that's wizard, sorcerer and arcanist) or a full BAB martial so your base class isn't overlapping your mythic path. Mythic spells don't have arcane failure chance and usually ignore spell resistance, so you could do a fighter that just casts Lich spells on dead turns and pick up the good Lich powers for martials. Otherwise

      6 in Sorcerer, 4 in Signifier and 10 in Eldritch Knight I heard works well enough. Basically it seems like going with 6 Sorcerer and 10 EK can work with anything in between.

      works as a full armored arcane caster, I think if you put the feats into arcane armor training and take order of the gate you have enough ASF reduction to wear mithril full plate.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      You have 2 options:
      >Pure melee class
      You get all the melee prowess and the lich spellbook advances. You have the self buffs and many lich spells are still very effective. Quite afew lich spells ignore spell resistance and saves either way, so you can throw a few if you want
      >a level for proficiencies than sorcerer/ Eldritch knight spellbook merge, maybe with 3 signifer
      Your fighting is mostly passive mode, but self buffs will let you smack in trash ights and go all out in harder ones.

      You can in theory take advantage of the merge to get more martial levels and still have caster level above 20, but that will not be that much better than just getting the spellbook on a martial class unless you plan shit meticulously.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      You would probably need some levels in hellknight signifier because of arcane failure chance

      The only other option is magus but then you wouldn't be able to merge spellbooks with lich.

  36. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Am I the only one who loved Pathfinder Kingmaker (BG1 vibes because of wilderness) and hated WotR with passion?

    Every dialogue in WotR is so annoying long and over explaining, too much romancing shit, etc.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      probably not

  37. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >Sorcerer claws are limited to rounds
    Isn't that stupidly restrictive?
    Also, are demon horns in the first Mythic rank any good?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      It's a free extra attack, which can be utilized

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I think it's the best pick for the 1st Mythic rank.

        For sure. If you're rolling with concealment at all times you don't really need much more than ~70 AC.

        How do I counter enemy concealment?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          True seeing, blindsight, echocation

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Blind fight and echolocation are the only things that work on the late game demons, for some reason true seeing has no effect.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >for some reason true seeing has no effect.

            Owlcat are morons and fricked up True seeing a couple patches ago

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            ... So every melee fighter needs to get this feat?

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Definitely not a bad idea.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Blind Fight also makes you immune to gaze attacks. If you have a spare feat it's a tough choice between it and Improved Initiative.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              One of Paizo's newbie adventure paths throws a Basilisk at you just to train you in this precaution.

              So yeah if you don't get Blindfight against Basilisk you would need to close your eyes and give the opponent full concealment bonus.

  38. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >nerfing builds in a singleplayer game
    cringe

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      95% of adjustments is things not working as intended , for better or for worse

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      95% of adjustments is things not working as intended , for better or for worse

      They need to fix Expanded Arsenal
      This shit is moronic.

  39. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Mut warrior or ranger for a shield basher? Ranger gives access to relevant feats somewhat earlier, but leaves less room for utility feats like blind fight or any sort of AC increasing feats.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Slayer has just as many feats as the fighter, and he gets same free access to the 2 weapon skilltree even if you use DEX as dumpstat.

      Normally the highest feat requies 19 DEX, but you can get away with 10 in DEX just fine with the Slayer and Ranger.
      That's their gimmick.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, but your stats would end up being higher either way with mut warrior using mutagen, as well as wings and the bite.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          That's not the point. The Mutagen warrior needs to pick 19 DEX at character creation. The Mutagen alone can't cheat your way up the skilltree.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            You could be a dex-focused fighter, dual-wield shields and take fighter's finesse to get dex to damage, although I'm not sure if shields are a weapon group.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >>You could be a dex-focused fighter,
              I guess that's true.

              It's an interesting nuance with the Fighter picking Finesse weapons as dual wielder.
              Whereas Slayer and Ranger can get away with raw STR weapons for dual wielding. It adds another layer of weapon selection advantage to the Slayer / Ranger in my opinion.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              That's not the point. The Mutagen warrior needs to pick 19 DEX at character creation. The Mutagen alone can't cheat your way up the skilltree.

              You could take 17 dex at creation, put your first two points into dex and then the rest into strength, with the +8 from grand mutagen you end up with more strength than you would as a slayer/ranger either way. Higher AC as well from the extra dex.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                IIRC the point buy is 25, if that's right you could do 16+2/16/14/10/10/10 (or dump mental stats for more physical) and put the first three points into Dex, with a belt you could still take GTWF at 11 but at worst you delay it one level to 12, and have +1 strength for the early game.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                I don't think missing out on +1 strength is that significant at the early levels, Cam has both bull's strength and enlarge within the first three levels.

                You do not need more than 15 dex for Dual wield.
                By the time the build coems online, you can get Str/Dex+4 belts easily. And you can get the feat and keep it active.
                15 dex is still more investment than the ranger/slayer has to make, but you get the point

                But it also helps with AC and attacks of opportunity. Odd scores also don't matter since this is of course a trickster build.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            You do not need more than 15 dex for Dual wield.
            By the time the build coems online, you can get Str/Dex+4 belts easily. And you can get the feat and keep it active.
            15 dex is still more investment than the ranger/slayer has to make, but you get the point

  40. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Kineticist is pretty strong but I feel like a glass cannon. Any way to fix that?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      No.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Proper elemental selection.
      Earth has Damage reduction.
      Water gives extra AC.
      Wind gives protection from arrows.

      Alternatively Mix up levels with that has Canny Defense which is free AC for high Intelligence builds.
      Sword Saint + Dark Elementalist is a great match.
      Duelist + Dark Elementalist is also great.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Elemental defenses are not good enough.
        >multiclassing
        But then I would lose out on damage...
        Can't I just dip monk or something?

        Don't get hit.

        No.

        That's kinda hard.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          If you are throwing blasts from range, blur+mage+armor+magical vestment+whatever other buff you can throw will keep you safe from incidental archers or small fry melee. Your other characters should be a wall that AoOs and casters should trhow CC too.

          Kineticists have Wis and Cha archetypes that would benefit from a monk dip too, yes

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >B-b-but then I would lose out on damage...
          >want more defense
          >doesn't want to spare a single level for said additional defense

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Don't get hit.

  41. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    So...what does the Enhanced Edition entail, exactly?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      They need to give Abrogail as waifu for the Devil Anons.
      Otherwise it will never be good enough.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      How am I supposed to know?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      5 more dialog lines for each late game path
      Some rebalancing
      6100 more bugs
      Better controller support

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      We don't know but if it's anything like Kingmaker, we'll get an upgrade to it for free if we already own the base version of the game.

  42. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >just finished Lost Chapel
    >That power up theme as Minagho freaks the frick out as you gain more mythic power
    >The victory theme as you talk to everyone after the fight

    This game has some great themes. It's been a while since a game made me actually feel like a hero.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Enjoy while you can.

      Their 3rd game won't even be a pathfinder game so we will be left in the dry for years to come.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        If the music stays as good as it is in wrath, then I'm fine with whatever system the 40k game will use.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I'm not okay with it. There are so many other developers who are making 40K games.
          But there is only one who is making pathfinder games.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        If the music stays as good as it is in wrath, then I'm fine with whatever system the 40k game will use.

        I'm not okay with it. There are so many other developers who are making 40K games.
        But there is only one who is making pathfinder games.

        But they ARE making a Pathfinder game. They've already confirmed they have two teams working on two different new titles.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >They've already confirmed they have two teams
          Masaka???! Source?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      The Mythic Power theme is unironically the best thing to come out of Wrathfinder and they picked near perfect spots for it to play in all cases

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        The music in general is very very good.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I think the only track that actually let me down was I Promise. A boss theme with that name and with that context should sound sadder. On the other hand Face the Abyss is exactly everything it needs to be.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Mythic Power is the official Chad theme as far as I'm concerned.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah the first time you gain Mythic Power and the theme hits, it's a really satisfying narrative moment.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >no thank you mother, I do not require your mythic powers

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Best theme coming through, here to trigger the shit out of lawtards

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Aeon>Mythic Power>lich>Devil>Legend>Galfrey theme is better than Angel's>Demon>Trickster>Gold Dragon>Azata>Swarm>Angel

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >devil higher than anything
          lol

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Devil theme is great.
            Everything else about devil is...there.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              The only good part of the Devil part is playing through the DLC as a Trickster and pretending you're a Devil when talking to Mephistopheles.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          BASED

          Best theme coming through, here to trigger the shit out of lawtards

          HOLY MOTHER OF COPE

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I really hate everything about this path, it's a real shame it's so obviously the best option for martials apart from legend.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Angel gets pretty moronic when you get the later self buffs and grand blessings, and you are immune to everything. Not sure why people think it's not valid.
          Even just at ranks 4-5, it's very good

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            because people are moronic. angel is marginally better on divine casters. it's still great for martials

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            because people are moronic. angel is marginally better on divine casters. it's still great for martials

            But just not quite as good as trickster.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              If you can kill everything in one round regardless, does it really matter? I guess Trickster will kill more people if conditions are right (more people within range to hit)
              But 1 vs 1, Angel murders in one round and is immune to most shit thrown at you, plus better party support overall.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >Trickster will kill more people if conditions are right (more people within range to hit)
                Melee range isn't even a restriction. Sure you can get crazy crit shenanigans that potentially deal infinite damage, but the Persuasion tricks are the most moronic part of being a Trickster. If your Persuasion is high enough enemies literally just drop dead at the start of every encounter, nothing beats that.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                I generally want reasons to pick a mythic for chapters 3-4 as well, not 5 and beyond.
                And Persuasion is not reliant on melee builds

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Kitsune gets free pounce, so obviously some sort of 20 BAB class is ideal.

                Dual Bloodline Bloodrager would probably be very powerful.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Fair point, but it's not like Persuasion 1+2 don't give anything. Making enemies kill themselves is just the cherry on top. Plus, you can get both Perception 2 for Crit memes and Persuasion 3 for instakill memes, so they're not mutually exclusive.

                >Persuasion tricks
                Black folk, you keep saying this shit, but that's not the case. Persuasion trick makes you roll a will save against trickster's ranks in persuasion, which is 20 max. Ranks, not the overall persuasion level, which can not excede 20. Even a literally who joe shmoe can outroll this DC

                I won't claim to know exactly how it works mechanically, but just try it ingame. It's not 100% foolproof but I consistently got more than half of every encounter instantly dying, with sometimes encounters literally ending a second after they start, while playing through Inevitable Excess on Hard with a max level Trickster. Maybe it gets much worse on Unfair but it's ridiculously powerful on Hard (and below, I assume).

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >Maybe it gets much worse on Unfair but it's ridiculously powerful on Hard (and below, I assume).
                i played a persuasion trickster on core. persuasion trick only works when it doesn't matter. why would I care about instant gibbing enemies that don't pose any danger to me?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >why would I want a tool to skip trash encounters in this game filled with trash encounters?
                Gee I wonder?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                apparently unlike you I enjoy the game, so I don't mind fighting trash

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Good for you?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >he hates seeing his enemies fall before him within yoctoseconds of battle
                HA! GAYYYYYYYYYYY

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >Persuasion tricks
                Black folk, you keep saying this shit, but that's not the case. Persuasion trick makes you roll a will save against trickster's ranks in persuasion, which is 20 max. Ranks, not the overall persuasion level, which can not excede 20. Even a literally who joe shmoe can outroll this DC

  43. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It's all live recorded orchestra. And lyrics in latin.

  44. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Minagho is super cute.

  45. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Is Elemental Specialist 19/Crossblooded Sorc 1 the best way to build blaster caster?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      What does Elemental Specialist add?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Free conversion of all spells to chosen element. Also as wizard with 1 lvl you end up with normal sorc spell progression instead of completely fricked up crossblood progression

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          But also no spontaneous casting.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            After Kenabres you can just rest anywhere as long as corruption doesnt kill you and swap spells if you REALLY need something.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Ability to convert all elemental damage to chosen element
        >pick chosen element fire
        >pick ascendant element fire
        >can now cast Icy Prison (Fire) and Stormbolts (Fire) ignoring any elemental res

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          If you convert spell to fire do they benefit from items that add bonus to fire spells?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Yes. And fire dragon bloodlines too. And aspect of brimorak too

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              So should Embah take an elemental specialist/sorc dip?
              I'd like to use her but her spell is kinda shit, can't replace a cleric or wizard imo

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >her spell is kinda shit
                you only need scorching and hellfire ray on her anyway

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah but I can get those on other people and they'll have other good spells too. Her hexes are great though

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                She has both the spells readily available and the ranged feats. The others need either the fire ring, mythic shenanigans or extra feats

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Technically at level 16 daeran without the ranged feat would have the same AB and giving him the ring is a no brainer anyway

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Malus from her curse becomes -2, so with the point blank bonus and precise, she will do better than Daeran when firing against someone engaed in melee. But you are targetting touch AC and the buffs at this point should make it a near guarantee

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >she will do better than Daeran when firing against someone engaed in melee
                She won't because she only get 1/2 bab

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                I keep forgetting Oracles are 2/3 bab.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Seems the wiki is wrong and she'll have 1 more bab though it's cancelled if the penalty from her curse applies to ray too.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Just crossblooded dip. It combos well with additional sources of fire damage like the unholy belt, pyromania ring etc.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Witch is prettty great as a blaster that also brings some utility for things that cant be blasted. Her spell progression seems poor but shes a specific tool.
                >spontaneous
                >means you get heals early on to make sure no casts are wasted
                >use slumber/evil eye
                >get scorching ray
                >start blasting

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Is it a good idea to turn Ember into a Kineticist?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                No. She has the blackened curse.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                What about Camellia?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                She has the blacked curse

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                I think she would make a good psycho-kinetist.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      damage caster? add 10 arcane trickster and pick aeon, without the sorc dip

  46. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The soundtrack might be good but it's too fricking short for the length of this game. They should've implemented a dynamic soundtrack at least.

  47. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Is Conjuration/Evocation still the best combo?

  48. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    How the frick does Expanded Arsenal work

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >get all the spell focus/greater you don't want
      >pick expanded arsenal in the school you want
      >profit
      Let's say you took 6 spell focus in different school of magic the one you pick with expanded arsenal would get +6 dc.

      Is Conjuration/Evocation still the best combo?

      It's illusion/enchantment

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >expanded arsenal would get +6 dc
        That's insane lmao.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Also iirc if you get more spell focus after picking expanded arsenal the dc keeps getting added. However you absolutely mustn't take spell focus in the school of magic you plan to use or else expanded arsenal is wasted.
        That's how phantasmal killer one shot most things

  49. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Will Goldchads get a 9th level spellbook?
    >mythic cape adds 9th level slots

  50. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Is Conjuration even any good aside from Grease?
    And is it even possible to deal good damage with Evocation spells?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Pit spells are good, yes. Hampered a bit by stinking cloud not being effective here.

      Most certainly, just do not expect to add a fireball slot on any wizard without a proper build and end encounters

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        With proper dice stacking and bolstering you can deal moronic damage with Evocation spells, and even more with Azata zippy magic.

        So do I absolutely need to do cross blooded sorc shenanigans?
        I can do amazing damage as a Kineticist without having to fiddle so much...

        Also, is there an equipment that grants Dragonkind 3 for free? Or other shaleshifting spells?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Dip is more for full spellcasters. You sacrifice a d6 from a spell like Chain lightning to get +38 damage guaranteed.

          Kineticists with Diadems will do just fine already and they have tehir moronic infusions.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >+38
            This train has no breaks. If I ran numbers right you can get something like flat +100dmg on shit like fireball.
            >crossblooded sorc +2 per die
            >mythical bloodline +1 per die
            >aspect of brimorak +2/3/4 per die
            >bolster
            >pyromania ring
            And there are more items giving flat +X per die I think

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Malander's insult is a free 2d6 unholy damage.
              Hide Armor of Elemental Carnage is another +1 to elemental spell damage, but it is a medium armor.

              And you have the relic that lets you cast a spell as Mazimized and Empowered if yo ucats the same spell 3 times (if you cast a cantrip 3 times, you can open the fight with a maximized+empowered spell for free).

              So yes, by mid/late chapter 3, your blaster is in a good place

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        conjuration is less effective than in kingmaker but still good. evocation should be bad but is actiually good due to mythic shenanigans

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Its kind of silly how bad some schools are though

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Its kind of silly how bad some schools are
            A lot depends on the difficulty. Schools that depend on save-or-suck or save-or-die are good on lower difficulties, but useless on higher difficulties. Illusionist Nenio can be amazing or almost worthless depending on your difficulty settings because either she's one-shotting homies left and right with shit like Phantasmal Killer and Weird, or literally everything resists it because their saves are boosted to high heaven.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Nenio clears the field piss easy on hard if you know what you are doing. I am saving unfair run for EE, but if it's just +4 on stats, it's still doable.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Nenio is good because of how Expanded Arsenal works. If they change it in EE she will drop in power quite hard

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                I did not use expanded Arsenal, just mythic spell focus. However, I did focus my cooking on things that helped her (like Acorn pies).
                Like, the equipment you get to boost DC and lower saves is moronic

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                There's a ton of shit to lower saves too
                >shaman + witch evil eye
                >touch of madness
                >shaken
                >incense synthesiser
                It's -26 at level 20

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Mobs also start off combat fully buffed with every spell in thw game on unfair by the end

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Just dispell sneak attack their every buff

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                It usually involves making a sacrifice somewhere
                >woljif can do it
                >lose him as an alchemist to apply buffs like transformation
                >manlet can
                >but he dies to a stiff wind
                >??

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                It usually involves making a sacrifice somewhere
                >woljif can do it
                >lose him as an alchemist to apply buffs like transformation
                >manlet can
                >but he dies to a stiff wind
                >??

                >rogue dispel
                Doesn't it dispel the debuff too? Iirc I took it on Gaybor and that's what happened

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Does it really? You mean like remove Evil Eye? Haven't noticed but that would suck

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                I haven't confirmed it myself since it did not happen in my own run, but Aeon bane can apparently even dispel plot triggers from enemies (shit that triggered enemy phase or reinforcements)

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >Doesn't it dispel the debuff too?
                Yes, all dispels work like that.

                Does it really? You mean like remove Evil Eye? Haven't noticed but that would suck

                I don't think it would remove evil eye, since it's not a spell effect.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                pick lich mythic path and get mythic spell focus in abjuration, your dispell dc will be 33, areelu's is 34 so you dispell everything in the game with 100% success rate

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                The dragon in Azata used to do this but I heard they nerfed him

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >I'm shit at the game the post

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Even on harder difficulties nenio comes out okay due to expanded arsenal.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Its kind of silly how bad some schools are
            A lot depends on the difficulty. Schools that depend on save-or-suck or save-or-die are good on lower difficulties, but useless on higher difficulties. Illusionist Nenio can be amazing or almost worthless depending on your difficulty settings because either she's one-shotting homies left and right with shit like Phantasmal Killer and Weird, or literally everything resists it because their saves are boosted to high heaven.

            It depends on the difficulty, but some classes like Necromancy just get no equipment. Even as a Lich it's far from your best school.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      With proper dice stacking and bolstering you can deal moronic damage with Evocation spells, and even more with Azata zippy magic.

  51. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >Development of the Combat Relief mod has stopped due to Owlcats new EULA

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      It's not new, he just never noticed.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Gay. It's not like Owlkeks would ever send a warning or DMCA or anything like that. It would just end up as a bad PR nightmare for them.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        lawtards

  52. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    How are shadow conjuration/Evocation spells? Do they benefit from illusion focus?

  53. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I want to give myself Dragonkind 3 and other shape-shifting spells from Level 1 using toybox. How can I accomplish this?

  54. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >tfw varnhold's lot characters have better banter and chemistry than anything in the main game
    a wrong barony was chosen

  55. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    What do you think about my portrait for a Kitsune character?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I think you are a homosexual

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        But why?
        Lucario looks pretty amazing as a Kitsune.
        Just trying to pick a class.

  56. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    If you're a lvl 20 wiz going legend then taking 10 loremaster and 10 hellknight signifier are you caster level 40?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      What I've read is that if you take at least 8 levels of a prestige class before level 20, taking levels in your main spellcasting class will take your caster level to 28 max in legend.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      there's a mod that combines all of your 40 caster levels. this is bullshit though since your damage is capped at 20 or maybe 30 if you kept the lich/angel spellbook, so it's only useful if you go gish/stack sneak attack effects on your spells with arcane trickster

  57. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Just finished up a Angel playthrough.
    Really does have that feeling of being a unshakable beacon for the crusade to look up to.

  58. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    post pure Paladin builds, right fricking now

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      20 Warrior of holy light, horse, power attack, intimidation feats.
      Last stand, extra smites, unstoppable,leading strike, insiprational leader for abilities.
      Mythic power, mythic focus, mythic initiative, flawless attacks , improved critical,
      Most two handers should work.
      Angel.

      It works on hard. Normal paladin would honestly be better, but in the last 20% of the game , I did negate a few annoying crits for the party

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        thanks anon, will try

        Paladin 20

        based

        [...]

        Only you don't cease to exist, since Pharasma's judgement of Areelu shows you can will yourself back into being whenever you want.
        So it's more a case of "erased from memory/history".

        Also, did they finally fix the ending slides for the Pure Aeon who doesn't retcon everything?

        >Also, did they finally fix the ending slides for the Pure Aeon who doesn't retcon everything?
        >who doesn't retcon everything?
        frick, i really need to play again, haven't seen this

        [...]
        Imagine being a tarded homosexual who loses his powers if he ever steps out of line.
        Paladin? Not even good for a dip lololol.

        bold talk for someone in smiting distance

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Your smite won't do shit, I'm chaotic neutral lol.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          A few tips for pet and abilities/mythic:
          You can teach the crane feats to your horse to raise it's AC and it works with bardings, so Bulwark is an option.
          Also, Diehard may be a feat worth considering, to stay on top one more round.
          Equipment wise, you can afford to use rings and amulets that are not for AC, so you could throw Half of a pair amulet to your MC and the horse.
          Finally, be careful about running through enemies that are not flatfooted. When they do AoOs, they hit you, not the horse many times. COuld get you fricked

          As for angel specifically, you cannot trigger Sword of heaven on horseback. Do it before you mount the horse

          Your smite won't do shit, I'm chaotic neutral lol.

          Neutral, you say

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            solid advice, thanks anon!

            Your smite won't do shit, I'm chaotic neutral lol.

            wreckd

            >They've already confirmed they have two teams
            Masaka???! Source?

            i think news of this broke sometime after WotR released
            i mean, they do have more than 100 people employed, so it's stands to reason they have multiple teams
            i guess developing multiple games is risky, but could also be beneficial profit-wise

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >i think news of this broke sometime after WotR released
              It's not believable if there isn't a source Anon.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                fair enough, but can't find it so, sorry ;___;

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Paladin 20

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      20 Warrior of holy light, horse, power attack, intimidation feats.
      Last stand, extra smites, unstoppable,leading strike, insiprational leader for abilities.
      Mythic power, mythic focus, mythic initiative, flawless attacks , improved critical,
      Most two handers should work.
      Angel.

      It works on hard. Normal paladin would honestly be better, but in the last 20% of the game , I did negate a few annoying crits for the party

      Imagine being a tarded homosexual who loses his powers if he ever steps out of line.
      Paladin? Not even good for a dip lololol.

  59. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Kingmaker ost is nothing to write home about compared to warth

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I disagree. Just all the boss themes are great (variations of the leitmotif work very nicely and Lantern Boy's themes are also great).
      Skylark, Dusnward themes, Nyrissa's theme and the main theme are also pretty good and the city themes are straight out of HoMM.

      Wrath is still better, but even compared to it, Kingmaker has a very solid OST

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >straight out of HoMM
        no way gay. kingmaker ost isn't bad by any stretch of imagination but comparing it to homm is just slander

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I understand your implication, and my answer is:
          Frick you

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      This is the only track that stood out to me in Kingmaker.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        this one reminds me of magicka for some reason, I really like how cartoonish it sounds

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Well duh.

      The first game bought home the cash.
      The second game is what all of that cash was spent on. Live orchestra recorded BGMs with what looks like at least 50 musicians.

  60. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Are Kalesh and Qadira the same thing? I can't tell one sendBlack folktan from another

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Kalesh is a big empire, qadira is one of the subordinate kingdoms

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Kalesh is, for all intents and purposes, not!Persian Empire - it consists of the core "main" kingdom, and multiple satrapies. The farther away the satrapy is, the less control the Padishah has there.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        When using toybox to add spells, do I need to have casting ability of the spell level to actually cast the spell?

        Sounds like the Ottoman Empire to me with a Padishah and all.

  61. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Heh, they even made 3 versions of the opening theme just so they could pick and choose.

    version 2

    version 3

    I guess they had a really good budget for the second game.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Lich art doesn't have wenduag on it
      does that mean she's the canonical choice to be sacrificed?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        What kind of moronic logic jump is that?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Canon autists tend to be like that

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Wenduag is in neither of them.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          because angel wouldn't recruit a canibal demon worshiper?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        it means that lannbros won

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I wish the new DLCs add the white haired mage back into the game. She looked like she could be cute.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        If you mean the one in the angel art, that's ember

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Ember is ugly though.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            wrong, she's the cutest

  62. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    irabeth just died in iz and it made me really sad

  63. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Why is Nyrissa so fugly despite being a nymph queen?

    Is it that hard to slap a gorgeous face on a plant body and green it with the bucket tool?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Beauty standards are really transphobic you know...

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        It's weird because Octavia at least is pretty hot.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          eeeehh. she's a 6/10 at best

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            yet she's treated like a gigatracy. same with valerie. owlcat went full social realism?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Octavia looks like a god damned wine mom

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            no. there's no hot female party member in Kingmaker. which is ok, for me, I'm nota waifu gay

            Octavia is pretty hot. So is Kanerah.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Octavia looks like frustrated French teacher in her 40s.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                She does look pretty cute.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >thousand wiener stare

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous
        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          no. there's no hot female party member in Kingmaker. which is ok, for me, I'm nota waifu gay

  64. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >Angel
    >Battle/Nature Oracle
    >implying

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I was about to reply asking how Battle Oracle is even supposed to work with low BAB only to double check and find out that Oracle has medium BAB.

      Being a moron really is tough sometimes.

  65. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Why is there 2 archers (Aru, Lann) and 2 hexers (Cam, Em) as companions?

    Doesn't help that these are pretty much the most likable companions.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      The game has four fricking archers, Wenduag and Delamere too

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        They are ugly so they don't count

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Ranged DPS is relatively safe and harder to frick up for newer players.

      The question is why is Camcam one of the starting companions when leveling her actually takes some understanding of the ruleset?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >actually takes some understanding of the ruleset
        does it though? I didnt even know hexers existed when starting WotR but even I could tell that Evil Eye + Prot Luck + Chant is all I needed from her

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          i guess he means that it takes understanding of the ruleset to make her a tank

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Oh, I suppose so. Because I built her as my backline hex and spellcaster, and I still can't wrap my head around using her as a tank

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >moe blob
      >likable
      waifutards need to be gassed

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Wait till you hear how the game has two companions that smack people in melee. And two divine casters.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >And two divine casters
        And only one arcane caster

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          There are two full arcane casters, anon.
          And the only 6th level caster is an arcane one too

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          do you need more?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >has two companions that smack people in melee
        Even worse, they're both awful at it.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Out of all the problems Seelah, Reg and Greybor have, connecting with the enemy is not high on the list. It's usually surviving

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            That does make them awful at it. Except Seelah, she's really good as long as you've got the horse, though of course she's really more of a support character that's there for the auras and mark of justice.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Considering enemies are plenty moronic, you can still keep the actual threats busy with the one character that survives while the rest attack.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Out of all the problems Seelah, Reg and Greybor have, connecting with the enemy is not high on the list. It's usually surviving

              reg has no problem surviving if his enemies are shitting their pants running away from a manlet with a stick

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Practically all of the actually dangerous enemies are immune to fear.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >Practically all of the actually dangerous enemies are immune to fear.
                Not really?
                Even endgame mobs like the locusts will run.
                Gallus and undead/constructs are non unique enemies immune to mind affecting shit, but all of them together are still a minority

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Gaybor has no business being the primary target. He's a slayer. He slays.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >can't even reach the enemies

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Seelah is perfectly tanky because she can sit on a horse. Reg is awkward because hes a dex fighter in full plate and greybor will never be tanky so you may as well just accept it(and never use him when woljif does the same job better)

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah but mounts are lame, gay, and unaesthetic in a game where you spend most of your time indoors. Horses have no place in a CRPG. I can't even begin to explain how moronic it looks when you've got one guy galloping around like a c**t swording things in a dusty underground tomb complex.
              There's a reason not a single enemy is mounted - it looks fricking stupid.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                You are right anon which is why it bugs out so much which is a shame because the game showers you in mounted combat gear

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Your melee martials also dont set the world on fire.

  66. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The base game is amazing but the DLC is genuinely very poor. I don't understand why the DLC for western WRPGs always needs to be some dungeon run type shit.

  67. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >install inevitable excess after beating main campaign because don't have any other games to play
    >it's actually good and not cringe at all
    Why do I listen to you people? It was the same with the Enigma.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      They have outright removed/redesigned puzzle segments since release
      Though I do wonder what makes you think favorably of the Enigma.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >They have outright removed/redesigned puzzle segments since release
        Ah ok, that might make a difference.
        >Enigma
        Good music, some of the more interesting encounters in the main campaign, great boss fight; the story content also constitutes some of hte more interesting stuff in the game.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          True, and you are hindered by annoying puzzle design which is the core problem people have with it.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            There aren't even that many puzzles, and most are just easy memory matching.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >memory matching
              Not really, no. Not even counting early release of the game where tiles were not even properly highlighted for the puzzles you do to get access to the enigma. People had to datamine the solutions

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                You don't have to do secrets of creation to enter the Enigma though. Also more than half of the puzzles in the Enigma are indeed memory matching, sometimes with multiple colors.

  68. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Anyone not become a skeleton after lich transformation?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      only become a skelington in chapter 5

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I am in chapter 5, I also figured it out. You dont become a skeleton after doing the ritual, you only become a skeleton after actually picking an ability at mythic rank 9

  69. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >seelah paladin 11
    >gendarme 8/9
    Thots?

  70. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >Lich
    >Wizard
    >Wendy

    the way it was meant to be

  71. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Why doesn't the Queen immediately want to suck my dick?
    This is a video game and I'm the protagonist, b***hes.

  72. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Well, if the "Enhanced Edition" comes with more Lich and Trickster content, I am happy.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      No the devil path needs to waifu Abrogail. This is much more important because it can have an impact on future games.

  73. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    What do you think of my Azata portrait?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      She looks like she has sex with human men.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        looks like a troony homosexual, so perfect for the azata

        Jrpgs are down the street to your right

        This is for a male character by the way.
        Not sure if that matters.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      looks like a troony homosexual, so perfect for the azata

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Jrpgs are down the street to your right

  74. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Is it possible to change in game character portraits?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      yes, but why?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I would be happier with changed appearances for Seelah and Sosiel...

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          can't change seelah's Black person voice anyway so why bother. If you're changing sosiel (who doesn't even look like a Black person, more like a polinesian) then you'd also have to change trever

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Trever?
            Seelah's voice doesn't matter so much.
            I would be satisified just changing her portrait and maybe editing her character model.
            >da inheritor guide mah blade!!
            is kinda charming to be honest.

            Sosiel looks too much of a derp.
            Might also edit Ember and Aru a bit maybe.
            Camellia, Lann and Daeran look great.
            The Queen looks like a massive hag but not sure if I should change her or not.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >Trever?
              sosiel's brother

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Arcemi Save Editor I think can change the portraits, Visual Adjustments can change the in-game model.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Thanks!
        Can Toybox do it?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Not that I'm aware of, although Toybox has a lot of stuff I haven't messed with

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Can Toybox give you level 9 spells early?
            Just want to mess with them.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              You could level up your character, just go to the party tab. With that said I'd suggest that you start a new game in Inevitable Excess and make the build you want there, since you can make a level 20, ML10 character easily and then run outside and test against the mobs there. You can even go into Toolbox and "lobotomize" enemies to turn off their AI.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                I don't want to level up my guy.
                I just want to cheat in the story campaign and see how much fun I can have with level 9 spells in Act 1 lol.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                One fast way to do it would be to give yourself mythic ranks, I think Angel and Lich get 9th level spells at ML 9 normally. Mythic Levels don't have as many things to choose at each level, usually just an ability/feat and a few powers. Just don't merge your spellbook or you'd need to get regular levels as well.

                There might be some way in the stats menu in Toybox to add higher level spells and spell slots but I'd guess it will take longer to figure out than just clicking through mythic levels.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Well alright.
                Thanks for the help!

  75. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    How badly will Handbro seethe if I take the demongraft?

  76. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    frick Owlcat, they're a shitheel company and utterly incompetent compared to other CRPG makers.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      ok, swen

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I was talking about an actual ludo auteur, not a meme game developer from a meme nation.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Don't be a bully!

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Wrath of the Righteous is one of the best CRPGs in recent memory.
      Very flawed? Yes, absolutely.
      Great, fun CRPG? Also yes.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        anon it's one of the only CRPGs in recent memory

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I know you ignore random releases, but there have been plenty of crpgs

  77. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    191
    >ludo auteur has 3 commercial failures in the past decade and is now forced to launch a casual adventure with bad art and even worse gameplay mechanics
    lol
    lmao even

  78. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Is charging while mounted broken for reach weapon users? I've noticed that when Seelah charges while on mount, she seems to do a full attack, while my reach weapon MC only hits with a single attack.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      What you're describing is the intended result. Being able to full attack after a change is what's broken and unintended.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >broken and unintended
        Is it? If you can use the mounts movement and still make a full attack, why shouldn't you be able to do the same thing with a charge?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >If you can use the mounts movement and still make a full attack
          That's the uninteded part. You're not supposed to be able to make a melee full attack during hoers movement. Ranged is allowed though.

  79. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >Decree of School Magic: One ally is ordered to only use one school of magic, but the potency of their spells increases considerably. Caster level and DC of saving throws against this ally's spells is increased by half your mythic rank.
    The devil mythic past exists solely to act as a Nenio Weird booster.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Meanwhile demom gets something like +10dc

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Technically, only you benefit from demon.
        It's one of the most selfish paths

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Is trickster the only mythic that is better for melee than it is for casters? Ignore LL for obvious reasons.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          No, demon is still better for martials.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I'd say Aeon is overall better for frontliners till the last 2 ranks as well.
          Demon can reach pretty stupid heights in both cases

  80. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Do you miss a lot if you don't merge spell book?
    How are Aeon, any class with good synergies with them? I was thinking inquisitor but apparently they're not deity related?

  81. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    What's the more satisfying mythic path? Lich or Swarm?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      If your endgame path ain't legend, it's not satisfying

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >If your endgame path ain't legend, it's not satisfying
        Well, maybe they'll fix that in the "Enhanced Edition".

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        well, i went 20 paladin. what other class synergizes well with that?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Scaled fist for martial, oracle if you want more spells.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Hellknight levels for smite chaos, pet classes for your horsey like cavalier, good old fighter (two handed or mutation, depending on weapon), possibly sohei

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Swarm is fricking horrible man

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Why would you not want to become a Swarm?
        This world is rotten...

  82. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Order of Pyre
    >At 1st level, whenever you receive fire damage, you gain fast healing 5 for the number of rounds equal to your level in this prestige class. At 5th level you gain fast healing 10 and at 9th level you gain fast healing 15 instead.
    Is this strong?
    I can't tell.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Nah.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        What about Order of the Rack?
        >Three times per day as a standard action you can target a single creature. That creature must pass a Will saving throw (DC 10 + level in this prestige class + your Charisma bonus) or become unable to cast spells for a number of rounds equal to caster level in this prestige class. At 5th and 9th levels you gain one additional use of this ability. The same effect occurs when you score a critical hit.

        Especially the part where this ability gets built-in to your Crits sounds powerful. It would trigger very often with a 15-20 crit weapon.
        Plus your standard crit effect feats.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Eh, not really worth it IMO when you're going to be rolling with spell resistance, elemental resistances etc. permanently.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >Especially the part where this ability gets built-in to your Crits sounds powerful
          By the time you have that capstone most spellcasters will either die due to the crit, no-sell the save dc, or are Gallu and will have already dumped a quickened sunburst and then a tsunami on your party due by winning initiative

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >By the time you have that capstone
            Order is a level 1 dip. I think you get that crit effect at level 1.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              I clearly misread the text

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Man I hated those things, made the late game mildly annoying.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      You either pick Godclaw for pentamic faith and morale bonus to AC, Gate for Signifer acane armor bonus or scoruge for the will debuff (kill a weakling, everyone gets the penalty)

  83. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    How good of an idea is it to make Lann into a Kineticist?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      It's usually best for use classes that complement their initial class.

      Does the 1 Zen archer level benefit the Kineticist?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        The monk level really helps with the lack of survival of the Kineticist.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Wendaug's stats are probably better.

  84. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    1 dip into Fey Bloodrager gives you confusion on crit, (so long as you rage)
    1 dip into Hellknight order of the Rack gives you anti-spellcaster on crit.
    If the Demon path permanent rage works on the Bloodrager dip, then you could probably make a super nasty martial that executes all sorts of multiple crazy effects of the crits.

  85. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    What should I make out of Wenduag?
    Does Hunter Wandering Marksman work with her?
    20 levels of Fighter seems like a waste.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      They gave her the most boring class, the class most people already played in the previous games.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        It's just a level of Fighter which is easily splicable.

        She can do literally any ranged class.
        >fighter ranged
        >slayer ranged
        >hunter ranged
        >vivisec ranged duh
        With that absurdly high Str and Dex you can even turn her into a two weapon fighting sub machinegun of throwing axes / javelins with pretty decent damage.

        What does the Throwing Axe build entail?
        Seems pretty popular.
        I was thinking of making her a Hunter Marksman with a Smilodon pet. Not sure if she has the Wis for the spells though.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          It doesn't entail anything fancy, it's just that throwing weapons benefit from both melee and ranged feats. Which means that TWF, Double Slice, Rapid Shot, etc all apply when using them. I originally was veering her towards javelins, but at mid game there are just no good javelins available, but you'll find some really good throwing axes.
          What I found her to be particularly useful is to make her my secondary dispeller. You give her Dispelling Attack for the Rogue Talent (from slayer, for example) and you'll be dispelling some shit with her, despite the high DC because you'll just be hitting 6 times per turn. And there are even Mythic feats that grant you bonus for both hitting in succession or for missing a conssecutive attack, so she can get pretty fricking nuts.

          If you want to keep her classes more """"in character"""" then for Hunter you'd pick Forrester (which forgoes pet) since she's a lone hunter. Slayer is self explanatory and Vivisectionist actually fits her because she's all in for taking demon steroids for gains.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            The Throwing Axe build sounds pretty good.
            What do I need for it? 20 levels of Fighter?

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Fighter gets weapon training (not sure if the old bug where bonuses for axes and throwing weapons stack is still there) and weapon specialization.
              Slayer gets study target and sneaks for each attack and you will have like 8-9 per turn.
              Ranger/freebooter have favored enemies or bond/bane and sense vitals.

              Freebooter can just be a lv4 multiclass and work decently as well

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Alright thanks.
                I'm not going Freebooter. Pirate Wenduag feels kind of dumb.
                I guess I can make Wenduag into some sort of Fighter Slayer hybrid.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                If you plan on mostly taking Fighter levels, keep in mind that the capstone for fighters is pretty good.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              You can but you don't need to. Works for Slayer, Vivi, Fighter, Forrester, whatever. I'm sure each of them benefits differently from TWF but it works for any of them.

              >You give her Dispelling Attack for the Rogue Talent (from slayer, for example) and you'll be dispelling some shit with her,
              Do you not use debuffs or CC?

              I absolutely do, but even Cam with Great Spell Pen + Spell Spec + Great Dispel fails every now and then, so I have Wendu machinegun everything with dispelling attacks as a follow-up or opening move.

              Once again, this is my SMG Wendu that I use for dispelling shit and mowing down mobs, you can make her the equivalent of a .50 Cal if you give her a Comp Longbow and the appropriate feats as well.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >You give her Dispelling Attack for the Rogue Talent (from slayer, for example) and you'll be dispelling some shit with her,
            Do you not use debuffs or CC?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      She can do literally any ranged class.
      >fighter ranged
      >slayer ranged
      >hunter ranged
      >vivisec ranged duh
      With that absurdly high Str and Dex you can even turn her into a two weapon fighting sub machinegun of throwing axes / javelins with pretty decent damage.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      4 Fighter/16 Slayer is probably the most optimal BAB way to build her for most of the game. You're gaining two extra net feats, including the otherwise unobtainable for Slayer weapon specialisation/weapon specialisation mythic, in exchange for losing the +4 insight attack bonus from free action quarry Quarry at 20 and a single sneak die.

      I would probably argue that once you're level 20, 1 Fighter/19 Slayer is better for that Insight bonus, but by the time you hit 20 the game is basically over anyway.

      It's just a level of Fighter which is easily splicable.

      [...]
      What does the Throwing Axe build entail?
      Seems pretty popular.
      I was thinking of making her a Hunter Marksman with a Smilodon pet. Not sure if she has the Wis for the spells though.

      It doesn't entail anything fancy, it's just that throwing weapons benefit from both melee and ranged feats. Which means that TWF, Double Slice, Rapid Shot, etc all apply when using them. I originally was veering her towards javelins, but at mid game there are just no good javelins available, but you'll find some really good throwing axes.
      What I found her to be particularly useful is to make her my secondary dispeller. You give her Dispelling Attack for the Rogue Talent (from slayer, for example) and you'll be dispelling some shit with her, despite the high DC because you'll just be hitting 6 times per turn. And there are even Mythic feats that grant you bonus for both hitting in succession or for missing a conssecutive attack, so she can get pretty fricking nuts.

      If you want to keep her classes more """"in character"""" then for Hunter you'd pick Forrester (which forgoes pet) since she's a lone hunter. Slayer is self explanatory and Vivisectionist actually fits her because she's all in for taking demon steroids for gains.

      Basically what this anon posts. The game tries to lead you in this direction by showing other mongrels using throwing axes and giving you frequent drops. Two hand throwing weapons are superior to bows if you can afford the extra feats, and thrown axes benefit from Strength bonuses like composite bows.

      Vivisecionist might not be the best choice if you're still somewhat new, as you're losing quite a bit of BAB by 13-17, which is where the game is most difficult if you're not prepared. Sneak die is nice, but being able to hit reliably is better. If you're exploiting impossible domains you probably wont need to worry about this, but that feels like complete ass to play around.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Spawn Slayer 15 Fighter 5 dual throwing axes.

  86. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    painfully new to pathfinder rules. is there a place that gathers good builds/general tips? i vaguely seem to remember from last game your AC is only as good as your touch AC

  87. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Got a GOG discount, don't let it go to waste:
    6QXC15CA6D14076BBB

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >mfw already have this edition
      >almost redeem it in out of instinct
      i know i am better than this

  88. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    crpg newbie interested in this
    >do i need to play kingmaker? is WoR a good place to start?
    >should i wait until the enhanced edition comes out next month?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      No, Kingmaker is required playing in order to jump into WoR. And yes, you should probably wait.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      No, you dont need to play kingmaker

      Arguably yes but it depends what mythic path you wanted to play

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