From any theoretical point of view I take on it, I don't like it at all.
But to answer your question with the one I feel the likeliest and most natural with, it's that he's getting swept along with the story and can't get himself out of it. And even contemplating that last bit earnestly makes me want to vomit. I emotionally wish the scene didn't exist.
There's a scene that can be triggered in the Valhalla nursing home where Ahti is sitting on his bed and when you walk up to him he says things like he doesn't know where he is, wants to go home, feels like he's floating through an ocean or something and is just generally scared and confused. It didn't trigger on my playthrough but I saw someone post a webm of it
The pure, unadulterated cringe of this game always surprises me. Is there a genre that's solely focused on making you cringe on purpose, because I feel like this game is designed to do just that. Its surely not a coincidence when every screenshot and webm I see about it makes me cringe harder than the last. This game might be a masterpiece, but its not a horror or a thriller it's the most effective cringepiece of all time. Hats off to Remedy.
>most effective cringepiece of all time
I cringe whenever Sam Lake appears. There's something about the ridiculous faces that he makes. Truly uncanny. And I'm not just talking about the game, it happens when I watch interviews with him, as well.
And the fact that hes being redubbed makes him even more uncanny. Mccaffrey does not sound like a tall, scrawny finnish dude at all, but like a short bald chain-smoking car mechanic from the outskirts of New Jersey. With the pixelated, motionless face of the first Max Payne it kinda worked, but now it's just weird as hell. They should have at least try to stylize Casey to fit the husky voice instead of the 1:1 3D scan, but then these 'amazing' movie inserts would have been harder and more expensive to shoot..
Glad I'm not the only one who thought the same thing. Every time there's dialogue with Casey in AW2 it just seems wrong that that frame would produce such a senior gravelly voice
I love it all except for one thing; the fact that the enemies in control are called hiss actually makes me cringe. It's like some child with ADD who walks around on his tiptoes and eats crayons came up with the idea while playing with action figures in the bathtub while jamal was in the next room giving his mother a black eye because she wouldn't give him money for a pack of swishers
>Lynchian
I never seen anything from Lynch, but that was his style? Being so apologetically bad that it's start to get kinda impressive? Where you ask yourself the question, "They didn't really think this shit will work, did they?" or "Are they this retarded or are they just fucking with me?" after every shot.
Example: You will start a scene like a Soap Opera dialogue but then the content and tone of voice and music becomes chilling and then you will get whacked in the head with something alien.
This is probably the most associated style although he does pure surrealism too in many films.
Thank you, i kinda get what lynchian means now. Its contrast of the grotesque and the mundane when they are forced to collide. I wouldn't call neither The room or AW II lynchian, it's a new unnamed genre of "its so bad its kinda fascinating". I hope someone coins a working term for it soon. "Cringesque" maybe?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
dude, just watch twin peaks, you'll get it
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Don't watch Twin Peaks for Lynch. His films are much better.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
For me, it's the podcasts
https://vocaroo.com/157Fn22OCvsv
https://vocaroo.com/1ghWbybAj1as
https://vocaroo.com/16uzaUZKjXeq
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
are there more of these?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
https://vocaroo.com/150beP5hZAvV
Don't watch Twin Peaks for Lynch. His films are much better.
https://vocaroo.com/11OYAkO2CSgh
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>https://vocaroo.com/150beP5hZAvV
Damn, brought me back to the good old /tpg/ days.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
They're not.
I've watched Elephant Man, it has nothing to do with classic Lynch so the comparison is impossible
Dune is shit
Lost Highway is great but doesn't compare to Twin Peaks
Mullolhand Drive good but overrated, Lost Highway is better and Twin Peaks too
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Fake and gay, first season of Twin Peaks is kino. It is much different from his films but still excellent.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Season 3 is ultimate kino and total pleb filter
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
The whole show rules tbh but after Lynch left in season 2 it kinda went of the rails (in a bad way). I still love all of it though.
>Lynchian
I never seen anything from Lynch, but that was his style? Being so apologetically bad that it's start to get kinda impressive? Where you ask yourself the question, "They didn't really think this shit will work, did they?" or "Are they this retarded or are they just fucking with me?" after every shot.
Is the 2003 movie called "The Room" also Lynchian?
Mr.S is a blatant ripoff from Bob and thus evil Cooper that shows up in the last episode of season 2
Everything about AW reeks of poor man's twin peak, I fucking cringed when I saw the lantern lady.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
AW1 really doesn't feel like it borrows that heavily from Twin Peaks, the lamp lady is the big one but other than that its just the setting and really not much else.
AW2 borrows much more heavily from Twin Peaks, both the return and original show.
I'm gonna be real. I don't like AW2 Scratch. He comes across like a retard. American Nightmare Scratch was an easily distracted sociopath. You could buy the idea of him rewriting Alan's book. AW2 Scratch, not so much.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>an easily distracted sociopath.
literally the most retarded plot point ever. absolutely zero sense or substance to it. atleast it was fun and gave us nice meme pics tho
otherwise. while I don't like Scratch's depiction in AW2, American Nightmares was retarded all around.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Don't underestimate an edgelord.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
American Nightmare Scratch is nu-Zane, it's a little bit on the nose with the song choice in that scene
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
that version of scratch is entirely in Alan's head, his real world incarnation is just a monster, the Dark Presence as filtered through Alan Wake.
Alan copes with this by, in the Dark Place, rejecting Scratch as himself by making him an evil psychopath doppleganger.
It's because they try to do this wierd melding of horror and comedy and it doesn't work, it just undermines the horror aspect and makes it impossible to take the games seriously. This series has one of the worst cases of tonal whiplash I've ever seen.
It also happens in-game in AW2. I don't know why the posters don't disappear once the doors are opened like in Control. I thought the point was that seeing his poster brings up the idea of him, which in turn materializes him in the room, while the poster disappears.
More games should do the "Waves of enemy come at you while diegetic music plays" finale. It boggles my mind that the guys who did American Nightmare didn't make the final act in the drive-in theater an extended battle with Mr. Scratch singing I'M A PSYCHO PSYCHO PSYCHO on the big screen. It would've made the game halfway memorable
Well unlike the hiss it's not over for you the instant you get into contact with darkness, so i doubt he needs headphones or radios with his song here and there. Instead he cleans up rooms for you to stay in. Note that radios are only found inside safe rooms in which you can switch sides.
>make an agency that's being run by some eldritch elder god thing to stop paranormal shit >can't actually stop anything and lets some shadow demon and a reality bending writer run amok and almost fuck the entire world
You're forgetting the arguably most compelling character in the game that's the REAL reason the bureau isn't fucked since before Jesse and Ahti could do anything, the HRA devices had to protect some from becoming Hiss.
One of them was a power hungry whorebag to the point they turned him into a reactor, and the other was a guy who never wanted the position because he knew his talents lay elsewhere
Lake should get Eddie Vedder to do a song for AW3, like Lynch did for The Return (which confirms Agent Cooper never gets his mind back, pic is Evil Cooper )
He'd do it too I bet, Eddie Vedder is pretty based. Man I love The Return, there's so much influence all over AW2 it borders on ripoff, but Sam Lake never tried to hide that fact.
The only 2 Finns I know are living in Sweden and refuse to answer my question on why would they leave Binland.
Great guys with nice sense of humor though.
Is this the Alan Wake 2 thread I have no choice but to sit in?
If so I'd like to ask something...
Coffee World was so bad that it initially ruined my entire perception of this game, and the thought of it being GOTY became impossible in my mind...then I got to the nursing home, went through the hospital, fought the new enemy, chased Tor around, talked to Rose, went into the basement, got a fuse, then went into the nursing home...and I had become completely compelled and engage with the whole...just "experience" of the game.
What happened? I can't quite pinpoint what suddenly made the game special and compelling again?
Yeah. I know why Coffee World is trash. I could write an essay on it. But I don't exactly understand why I'm enjoying the nursing home...the atmosphere feels so thick that the literal experience of the game might aswell be the gameplay itself...but I don't know if that's enough
I had a similar experience. It might just be that the nursing home is such a strange and original setting for a video game that it can't help but be compelling. Compare that to coffee world which is just a haunted amusement park, kind of shockingly unoriginal for this game honestly. Also just the name "Valhalla nursing home" is such a good joke I wonder if they didn't come up with the name and work from there.
Cofee world and the overlook hotel are the worst parts of the game that feel like knock off silent hill downpour sections.
I didn't like the hotel either. I also kept calling it the overlook in my head too.
Why do people say this game is Twin Peaks? I simply don't get it. The writing in Alan Wake 2 actually has a point, and the characters actually act like real human beings (generally) aswell as the fact that everything to do with Saga is basically almost LITERALLY to a T...X-Files. Like I was watching the show last night and Scully and Mulder were running through the woods FLASHLIGHT AND GUN in hand almost like a 1 to 1 recreation of Saga's entire journey. And they do this shit multiple times. Not to mention the whole investigating and talking to residents thing.
Plus the Dark Place comes across so much more as a Stephen King concept rather than Twin Peaks. In Twin Peaks everything is almost corpeal and real and not real at the same time. But nothing about the Dark Place and the effect it has is like that. Its a real entity, that affects the characters In far more deeper ways.
The Red Room is much more...fuck, I can't even explain it lmao. All I'll say is that Lynch dances on the mystique side, a lot more than the mystery side. And Alan Wake 2 feels more like some REAL world, with some meaning and history. Less spiritual/mystical and closer to almost horror fantasy.
At the end of the day. My conclusion is that Alan Wake 2 is almost completely it's own thing. It's not completely X-Files, nor completely Stephen King. Whatever it's trying to do. I haven't really seen it in large part in any acclaimed or even non acclaimed media. The closest thing I think to it, is that it gives me anime vibes, except If anime was well written and didn't rely on archetypes because the Japanese cannot write real human beings.
Both Alan Wake and Twin Peaks are heavily, heavily riffing on Alistar Crowleys book of the law, old order of the solar temple 1930's spiritualism revivals horseshit about concepts like the black lodge.
Because even the devs say they take a ton of inspiration from twin peaks. Now of course the game takes from other things as well, but i do agree that the game feels like it's own thing, even more so as you progress through the game.
P.S. I really love Alan's levels.
the devs never said that. stfu. the only thing Sam Lake said is that the decision to boldly depic Cooper's downtrodden return in Twin Peaks S3 where he needed to he built back up to what he was, inspired him to take the same bold action with Alan and start off with him as weak, confused, cautious, borderline paranoid and downtrodden in contrast to his confident determined self from the first game.
show me evidence of any other time the "devs" said they took "inspiration" because even this example I gave, is taking "inspiration" out of context depending on how you read it. He wasn't inspired to take from twin peaks, he was inspired to be more bold.
Besides the fact thus barely looks legitimate. If you see here. The explanations for the "inspirations" are so shallow that they might aswell not be tied to any of these. The only one maybe I can see is Hannibal, just because of how unique Will Graham's whole empathy profiling thing was.
On the True Detective note. If I remember correctly, the "occult" murders was literally like 1 or 2 dudes, and wasn't as contained to a single town as the Cult of the Tree.
Fargo, is something I just watched recently. No idea what season he could be referring to, but the first two are the most iconic I think. And there is NOTHING remotely like that in ANY of Alan Wake 2 like at all. I'd argue Fargo is almost a character study first, and then some gang related shit after. Also there's nothing remotely like Malvo.
Also Twink Peaks SEASON 2 is sighted??? Season 2????? Maybe you could cope about season 1, but season 2 isn't remotely like Alan Wake 2, what similarities are there to even draw beyond being in a small American town? And even then the town itself doesn't even get that much focus in AW2, it's almost entirely everything on the outskirts or around the forest. Which when considering that. It feels more like X-Files to me than Twin Peaks because it was about 2 FBI agents going all around america to small towns investigating odd murders and disappearances.
How is X-Files, the most OBVIOUS and closest similarity, the one left out?
And regarding Midsommar...I never watched it, so can't really comment.
https://youtu.be/bBw0bBUdTZY?feature=shared&t=127
Even here, they barely elaborate on what that means. Atleast with the general quote I gave regarding what Sam said about Twin Peaks inspiration, you can actually understand a motivation and formulate a connection to what he was "inspired" by.
There was a lot of buildup in True Detective to a sprawling cult with people of power involved.
Then the final dude in the finale is some inbred guy in the woods and his buddies.
I like how Ganker constantly does this dumb shit where they only respond to a very small sliver of an argument and nothing else and then act as if they've gotten some kind of own or dig.
But at the same time, the fact that anyone would respond like this and think it an appropriate or even remotely valid response, probably indicates they barley possess enough self awareness for bringing this to attention to matter.
In which case I'd rather you just not engage with me at all. I have a very hard time talking about anything in depth with children, and don't try to have this type of conversation with my little sister because I understand she doesn't have enough knowledge and context about how to engage in certain types of conversations to do so satisfyingly. I love my sister tho, but don't love you, so please don't respond again.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
How are you doing today Alan Wake schizoposter?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Tbh he seems the most sane and analytical in this thread because he properly assesses things. It's pretty ironic to call him the schizo.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
based rando. I've been noticing that a decent amount of people in secret actually like my effort posts and think I'm right 90% of the time. I've had atleast 4 people other than u tell me I'm right, which is more than you can ever expect on this shit board.
I will try to keep at it, as much as I can be interested to.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Unfortunately he's completely deranged. He's a regular in these threads and if you fall for the bait of replying reasonably to him but he just disagrees with you he writes long grandiose narcissistic posts where he misidentifies logical fallacies, uses "begging the question" incorrectly multiple times in the thread, and exhibits at least 7 of the diagnostic criteria for narcissistic personality disorder.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
151 words 831 characters while saying absolutely nothing. Very impressive.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
You lost, nagger. Shut up and move on already. No amount of wall of text spam is going to change the fact that you are objectively wrong according to the devs.
the devs never said that. stfu. the only thing Sam Lake said is that the decision to boldly depic Cooper's downtrodden return in Twin Peaks S3 where he needed to he built back up to what he was, inspired him to take the same bold action with Alan and start off with him as weak, confused, cautious, borderline paranoid and downtrodden in contrast to his confident determined self from the first game.
show me evidence of any other time the "devs" said they took "inspiration" because even this example I gave, is taking "inspiration" out of context depending on how you read it. He wasn't inspired to take from twin peaks, he was inspired to be more bold.
I will try not to be mean.
Besides the fact thus barely looks legitimate. If you see here. The explanations for the "inspirations" are so shallow that they might aswell not be tied to any of these. The only one maybe I can see is Hannibal, just because of how unique Will Graham's whole empathy profiling thing was.
On the True Detective note. If I remember correctly, the "occult" murders was literally like 1 or 2 dudes, and wasn't as contained to a single town as the Cult of the Tree.
Fargo, is something I just watched recently. No idea what season he could be referring to, but the first two are the most iconic I think. And there is NOTHING remotely like that in ANY of Alan Wake 2 like at all. I'd argue Fargo is almost a character study first, and then some gang related shit after. Also there's nothing remotely like Malvo.
Also Twink Peaks SEASON 2 is sighted??? Season 2????? Maybe you could cope about season 1, but season 2 isn't remotely like Alan Wake 2, what similarities are there to even draw beyond being in a small American town? And even then the town itself doesn't even get that much focus in AW2, it's almost entirely everything on the outskirts or around the forest. Which when considering that. It feels more like X-Files to me than Twin Peaks because it was about 2 FBI agents going all around america to small towns investigating odd murders and disappearances.
How is X-Files, the most OBVIOUS and closest similarity, the one left out?
And regarding Midsommar...I never watched it, so can't really comment.
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Even here, they barely elaborate on what that means. Atleast with the general quote I gave regarding what Sam said about Twin Peaks inspiration, you can actually understand a motivation and formulate a connection to what he was "inspired" by.
>Keep trying anon.
I like how Ganker constantly does this dumb shit where they only respond to a very small sliver of an argument and nothing else and then act as if they've gotten some kind of own or dig.
But at the same time, the fact that anyone would respond like this and think it an appropriate or even remotely valid response, probably indicates they barley possess enough self awareness for bringing this to attention to matter.
In which case I'd rather you just not engage with me at all. I have a very hard time talking about anything in depth with children, and don't try to have this type of conversation with my little sister because I understand she doesn't have enough knowledge and context about how to engage in certain types of conversations to do so satisfyingly. I love my sister tho, but don't love you, so please don't respond again.
Not a regular, but damn are Alan threads always like this?
There is an Anon that has attached his entire identity to this game and has a meltdown over every criticism.
Remind him that the jumpscares were lame and he will have a meltdown about the lore.
>the jumpscares were lame
I'm not him, but I thought the jumpscares were fine, they really aren't as egregious as other games and they helped sell the atmosphere. With Cynthia they went so overboard that it became funny. The goofy grandma from the first game jumpscaring you every other step is such a ridiculous concept and I'd be hard pressed to believe that they didn't do that on purpose.
Well that's why I thought they were stupid. I played with headphones and I got a legitimate migraine from the constant screaming. It wasn't scary, it was obnoxious.
Ahti is a river god mostly forgotten in a pantheon mostly forgotten, he remembers the old folklore as old friends which is why he calls the Andersons "my rowdy northern cousins". Hes talking about things from a very different pre roman christianisation perspective.
whats even the point of saga retarded mind palace >walk into room >saga: hmmm locked computer, password must be nearby >look around the room for clues >saga: hmmmm those look like clues i can use to find the password >okay i guess i can either solve the puzzle myself or put it on the board and i get the answer? >have to slowly put shit on the wall and near stupid comments >finally put every clue >saga: aha! i got it! the password is somehwere in this room!
too bad it was almost done with the game when i realised i don't actually have to do this retarded minigame unless the game forces me to (and it just forces me to do it near the end several times in a row).
it also tries to load whole room every time i open map and lags as shit.
It's just an interactive quest log that is supposed to be a novel way of building character by showing you Saga's deductive and introspective processes firsthand I guess. The non-bullshit answer is that they obviously had the idea of the Dark Presence invading Saga's inner sanctum first, and then built the mind place concept around that idea haphazardly.
>The non-bullshit answer is that they obviously had the idea of the Dark Presence invading Saga's inner sanctum first, and then built the mind place concept around that idea haphazardly.
The "non bullshit" is retarded Ganker tier schizo conspiracy, because the mind place literally permeates the entire story and is a fundemental aspect of it, and that's not remotely how game design works. But Ganker is genuinely retarded and mentally ill so they'll constantly project their ignorance and perception as matter of fact.
whats even the point of saga retarded mind palace >walk into room >saga: hmmm locked computer, password must be nearby >look around the room for clues >saga: hmmmm those look like clues i can use to find the password >okay i guess i can either solve the puzzle myself or put it on the board and i get the answer? >have to slowly put shit on the wall and near stupid comments >finally put every clue >saga: aha! i got it! the password is somehwere in this room!
too bad it was almost done with the game when i realised i don't actually have to do this retarded minigame unless the game forces me to (and it just forces me to do it near the end several times in a row).
it also tries to load whole room every time i open map and lags as shit.
>too bad it was almost done with the game when i realised i don't actually have to do this retarded minigame unless the game forces me to (and it just forces me to do it near the end several times in a row).
that's your fault. not surprised Ganker is this retarded tho with how 90% of threads on this board are.
>whats even the point of saga retarded mind palace
The point is fairly obvious if you're not a retard. Not sure it's worth explaining when retards can just conjure up a "non bullshit answer" to satisfy their feelings whenever they want because this place is actually schizo tier and just believes whatever they want with no grounding in logic which is why the board is constantly shit.
But if anyone here wasn't retarded and actually paid close attention to the dialogue, there are moments and instances in the story where Saga will express a distinct excitement to engage with and solve the mystery. They made a point to emphasize this. THIS knowledge, along with some of Remedy's expressed intentions with the character, the fact she's an outsider character, and the fact that she mirrors Wake...the writer...tells me that she represents the "Detective" also called...the "theorist" She is supposed to represent the type of fan that loves collecting information to piece together the mystery of stories.
And the case board is simply a gameplay manifestation of that which acts as characterization for her, and to tell/engage with the story.
>And the case board is simply a gameplay manifestation of that which acts as characterization for her, and to tell/engage with the story.
Yea but gameplay wise it sucks and serves no purpose except for literally one time at the end of the game. Right from the start when i saw that there's whole room for me to walk around in i waited for when they gonna do the "its time for spooky in what you thought was spooky-free area" which already falls apart because right at the start they say "game not paused when you're in this room so watch out!" so you never actually get comfortable being in it anyway.
And yea profiling just stupid, i guess its better than "audio logs" in control (which you have to sit and watch in the menu and not while playing) but thats a low bar to pass anyway. I also didnt like that they way they present profiling is obviously some mystical psychic mind reading bullshit but saga is all surprised later to learn it was more than just "good intuition". Also a lot of stupid filler where she repeats the question you just read on a piece of paper, and after profiling ends she repeats and summs up what you heard literally seconds ago.
>and serves no purpose except for literally one time at the end of the game.
No, it serves a purpose...to engage with the story through gameplay. Don't know what you're talking about, but I have a feeling you're one of those small minded retards that thinks only their conception of things applies to videogames.
>Right from the start when i saw that there's whole room for me to walk around in i waited for when they gonna do the "its time for spooky in what you thought was spooky-free area"
projecting your meaningless expectations onto something and then getting mad when they're not met probably has to be one of the biggest indications of genuine and unadulterated mental deficiency. your problem. not the games.
this ENTIRE time, you have been complaining about the game for being the way it is and you simply not liking it. You haven't bothered to try to actually make a point about how anything actually results in any probable qualm or lack of substance, coherency etc.
let's see if you do by the end.
>And yea profiling just stupid, i guess its better than "audio logs" in control (which you have to sit and watch in the menu and not while playing) but thats a low bar to pass anyway.
I think it's just a quirky way to depict a character having supernatural powers. But I agree for the most part.
> also didnt like that they way they present profiling is obviously some mystical psychic mind reading bullshit but saga is all surprised later to learn it was more than just "good intuition".
I mean, it's not TOO much of a stretch to call it "good intuition" at first, if you consider the first time it's used, against those black kids. if you're following the conversation, they're obviously hiding something. The absurdity obviously comes from having any idea what they're hiding. And then the Nightingale heart thing is also absurd. don't know how to feel about it. It's just part of the story
>>saga: aha! i got it! the password is somehwere in this room!
Another thing to consider here is that the point of the case board in this specific case, was to literally just gather all the information and connections in one specific space, so you don't have to go around back and forth in the room and keep those connections in your head. Also Saga gives a comment when reviewing the "evidence" that's a very important nudge in the right direction of how to write the password. It's first purpose is the purpose of a real case board...to keep track of connections so you can formulate an understanding of something.
When Saga says "The answer is in the room" As awkward as it comes across, it's just a way for the game to tell you that you have all the information. You just need to put it together properly.
Focusing on the dialogue is weird to me, because even here the board serves a clear purpose, that is also obviously optional, and I didn't even end up using it once I put it together because I was too lazy to go into the case board and thought I remembered everything anyway, which is good. The board allowed me to stimulate my memory and make those connections. Almost similarly to how quizz cards, test questions, and actually writing down notes yourself have been proven to.
The mechanic is good. My personal problem is the fact that it doesn't even get used that often, and often gets shafted in favour of the profiling mechanic that's just a glorified cutscene that admittedly wouldn't work unless it existed in the mind place, but I still hate it. My favourite parts with the case board were in the beginning when you had to put down a lot of information at once and get some perspective on how Saga sees this information, and my other favourite moment is when Saga refuses to put the "Logan is dead" Newspaper on the board.
Saga is supposed to be the player (well an enthusiastic fan of Alan Wake that likes to make theories)...but she's still a person in the story
This hit me pretty hard. I loved their commercials and how much the two of them worked to restore their dying town.
Alice's "death" also got to me, but got immediately swapped with incredulity when I learned what her retarded plan was. If she didn't fake her death then Alan would have never gotten possessed by Scratch and nothing bad would have happened, what the fuck
I didn't feel anything because the game was really forcing me to care about her and watch her stupid movies. I can't even remember her in AW1, whe was like non-existent character that was just a plot element for MC so we didn't learn much about her, and in 2 she just appears in those videos that not entertaining to watch in the slightest and grind the gameplay to a complete stop until you sit and stare at them.
And yea the "death" and really every video only makes sense if it was dark place gaslighting Alan, but it's not, so dark place somehow could affect her despite being far far away from the lake? Maybe shit would make more sense if the game was finished and not stopped halfway through and we got an explanation for what actually happened.
These guys had incredible facial animations every time you see them
don't understand how they look so good and Alex is so stiff en weird looking the entire game
Sam did the mocap himself, he probably autistically wanted him to only look like a tired old man. It's funny because the fictional Casey is the only one who smiles.
Could be mr. hatch. or maybe mr door is actually mr hatch. Who knows
I'm tired of this shitty excuse. Door didn't NEED a daughter at all to have any relevance to the story, nor to expand on any lore. A white Saga could have been Tomas Zane's long lost daughter for all I care.
And NO I am not a fucking racist. My point from the get go is that the Saga in the game doesn't need any justification to exist because there is nothing wrong with her being black and no reason she needs to be white. THAT is the implication whenever racist retards ask this btw. The implication that black people need to justify their skin colour and existence while it should just be a given that every character is white otherwise. Fuck off, this mentality is genuinely irrational and I don't even typically care about racist stuff on here.
She's black because that's a characteristic she posseses, just like a characteristic of somebody could be them being 6 feet, or having red hair, or wearing a knitted shirt. No more justification is needed. White Saga was a place holder charcater from when a sequel was never even guaranteed, from a game that isn't even considered Canon, but even if it was it wouldn't matter because she essentially existed in the concept stage, and any creator can change whatever the fuck they want whenever need be. Not to mention that white Saga simply could have been unavailable or uninterested in Alan Wake 2 after years passed.
>DUDE WHAT IF... >WHAT IF TOOK FINNISH PROVERBS.... >AND JUST DIRECTLY TRANSLATED THEM TO ENGLISH SO THEY BARELY EVEN MAKE SENSE xDDD
His whole character shtick is cringe as fuck.
Earlier this week, I replayed the game after playing AW1.
It's just my computer having trouble keeping up with me. I finished AWE yesterday and I had a whole-ass encounter in a major room for a few minutes... that ended with me dying because the game forgot to load Hartman in and the reality slapback killed Jesse.
what the fuck are those enemies upside down weird enemies in the nursing home? one literally just disappeared out of thin air on me so I ran into a light and now I hear slimy sounds and whispers like she crawling around on the outskirts of the light but I can't fucking see her wtf
What's with the actual praise for this game? I played it for a few hours, got to the reactor area and couldn't have been anymore bored. Does it get better?
Why are Finns some of the funniest people on the internet? Their macros are so esoteric and absurd and yet so very pervasive in internet culture for such a relatively tiny proportion of the overall population
Okay. I just fought the taken woman with the sledgehammer in Cynthia's overlap and...it was fun???
it also made me realize that 80% of the reason combat feels so shit in this game is because enemies are retarded and not aggressive enough. The sledge hammer lady literally stunned herself like twice after swinging at me. If they made enemies slightly faster, more resilient (not hp, I mean they should immediately stop attacking after like 1 or 2 attacks, basically they should have more stamina) and more aggressive. Then the combat could be actually pretty good.
Here's to hoping Nightmare Mode does something about that
>I only had an issue with the combat in Saga's sections.
What do you mean by issue?
>Wake's sections made up for that with the behavior of non-hostile shadows.
What do you mean? I'd argue the shadow niggas are the ONLY threatening enemy. I might include the wolves, but their AI can be retarded too, and like I said, every other enemy in Saga's section needs to be ATLEAST close to as aggressive as the shadows can be. But even then, the shadows should be more aggressive too. I remember one time, a shadow dude legit just stared at me and threw black orbs at me even though he could teleport right to me if he wanted.
The combat system is bad without the Wake section shakeups. Looking down a hallway of shadow niggas was always interesting because of trying to deduce if there was a real enemy in there. Sometimes the peaceful ones follow you the same as hostile ones too, I loved it.
Finnish logic peaks through Remedy's decision-making >add aimbot, god mode and one hit kills in the menu >no similar toggle for a fucking waypoint
very accessible game guys
>own a trailer park >have a coffee-themed amusement park and gift shop >Motorcycle club and a sauna >locally made beer brand >wildlife tour guides
Is there anything they can't do?
shame what they did to shadow enemies in 2, pretty much non existent mechanic they had to carry over from 1. There's absolutely no enviromental interaction with light against them to the point where they can freely stand and walk under the "safe spot" lights because nothing except player's light exists, and then its only special "biden flashlight blast" that does anything. iirc in first even just pointing light worked just not as good as other stuff.
are you retarded? there were no shadow enemies in 1. The fuck.
>pretty much non existent mechanic they had to carry over from 1.
I don't know what you're talking about.
>There's absolutely no enviromental interaction
what the fuck are you talking about? there doesn't need to be. this isn't some pixel game where you can just make up retarded contrived mechanics to warp light. Light is either natural or controlled. You either get it from the sun, or man made creations.
>where they can freely stand and walk under the "safe spot" lights because nothing except player's light exists
what the fuck are you talking about????? where the fuck do these retarded falseflaggers keep coming from??? one of the first things the game tells you is that they can't walk under the light.
>iirc in first even just pointing light worked just not as good as other stuff.
...you had to focus the light in 1 too, the fuck. just pointing it at them wasn't remotely viable.
every enemy in 1 was an enemy with shadow around them just like in 2, retard. >. this isn't some pixel game
what the fuck are you talking about >Light is either natural or controlled. You either get it from the sun, or man made creations.
What the fuck are you actually talking about
You don't understand what "enviromental interaction" means in this context? Heres a picture: theres wood pile, you light it up with weapons or something, there's a lot of light now and it damages everyone around, or i guess its impossible since its not a pixel game. >one of the first things the game tells you is that they can't walk under the light.
Yea keyword "tells you" because they sure as fuck can still walk under any light and not react to it. >huh. so the retarded shitposters are back.
yea, you're back.
>What the fuck are you actually talking about >You don't understand what "enviromental interaction" means in this context? Heres a picture: theres wood pile, you light it up with weapons or something, there's a lot of light now and it damages everyone around, or i guess its impossible since its not a pixel game.
ah. my bad. you're actually too retarded to even have this conversation because you have zero conception of relevance. okay good day. believe what you want, you're wrong. lmao, couldn't imagine being this much of a retard, but if there weren't so many, how could the human race possibly struggle so much for so long to make progress?
>i think the mind place would be improved by having a bit that allowed you to in game write down notes on some kind of white board to work through the puzzles like the math ones for cult stashes
huh. first recommendation I've heard on Ganker that I actually somewhat agree with. I'm sure it'd be kind of awkward to implement, especially since the math puzzles are so few, ontop of being optional, but that doesn't sound TOO bad I think.
dude. Cynthia's boss fight is by far the hardest one so far. why the fuck did so many retards complain about Nightingale? you have to dodge, actual weird homing blurs of Darkness tightly in her fight while taking advantage of every tight opening that she isn't shooting orbs at you.
I'm not exactly complaining, but is there some trick? or were people just lying
i shot her with rifle when she was coming out of the water and the finished with couple shotgun shots, she died in like 10 seconds after i turned the lights on and found her. Maybe she bugged out or maybe rifle headshots that powaful so she was constantly staggered.
>i shot her with rifle when she was coming out of the water and the finished with couple shotgun shots
oh, so you didn't even have to engage with the fight at all.
>Maybe she bugged out or maybe rifle headshots that powaful so she was constantly staggered.
I hit all my rifle headshots, but she still channels the black orbs anyway. Maybe I'll just keep trying and ignore the channeling, but otherwise, she's the hardest encounter in the entire game. Honestly, harder than some RE4 bosses probably.
I can't tell how much of this is just the FOV + the weird screen blur the projectiles cause.
nta >I can't tell how much of this is just the FOV + the weird screen blur the projectiles cause.
This is the only reason she is any difficult. It was hard to tell what the fuck was going on. I just shot her and ran around a bit to make sure I wasn't about to get an orb up my ass, then shot her again and repeat until she died. I was just randomly exploding before that.
i shot her with rifle when she was coming out of the water and the finished with couple shotgun shots, she died in like 10 seconds after i turned the lights on and found her. Maybe she bugged out or maybe rifle headshots that powaful so she was constantly staggered.
I feel like I'm having a different fight than both of you, or I'm bad, or the game bugs.
This is what happens for me so far:
-Headshot her with the rifle twice or thrice.
-She throws our darkness orbs
-Finally get the hang of dodging them
-Shoot her
-She falls down
-Has darkness shield
-Shoot that; exposes read weakspot
-Shoot that; she's rising again for another dark orb channel
-Shoot again; dodge orbs, she falls down afar
-Starts doing these water slash attacks
-Dodge, Shoot.
-Now she's on ground.
-Runs at me slashing her hand???
-Think that using flashlight will slow her down
-She simply DOES NOT SLOW DOWN
-She keeps coming
-Only thing that stops her is headshots, but when you headshot two times she starts slouching and jerking her head, so need to reposition but...
-She's fucking fast, she just keeps charging at you slashing
-Going for headshots is a risk because if she slashes you one time, your dodge becomes worse because you're low health
-Okay, I will take the safe route and just keep dodging...
-For some reason she sometimes just decides to literally NOT STOP charging at you and slashing.
-I can't tell when to stop dodging to look for an opening.
-I'm starting to mess up my timings because she just feels unpredictable now.
And this is how I died the last time.
No idea what to do. I'm guessing it's just a bug, but to me she's undoubtedly the hardest boss. No other boss in this game has as much dynamism to their attack patterns and type of attacks as her. But I could be bad of course.
This is Cynthia? Sounds like a bug dude, the first phase of that fight was piss easy for me on hard. And I sucked at the game and am a retard.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
i don't even know what to say, maybe try throwing a flare at her at the start or something?
Nevermind. Just beat her. It was tense and fun, felt like I actually had to dodge stuff properly and aim properly. Nice fight all around. Probably the best encounter in the game. I'm convinced now that she was a bit bugged. But that's only a good thing. Maybe this whole game needs a bug that makes enemies unexpectedly fast and spam their attacks.
my game bugged the first time I fought her and I couldn't switch weapons, reload, open my inventory, or fire. The second time I got her in 2 cycles, by throwing a flare after she dropped and shooting her weakpoint with the rifle.
Its weird, the Remedy-verse makes you want to believe that the Dark Presence is the defacto strongest evil force in the setting.. but the Hiss seem far worse, as just being in our reality for moment caused everyone in the Oldest House without an HRA to be immediately taken over, and their taken forms are far more mutated and capable of all sorts of shit.
with the implication that if they escaped the pocket dimension of The Oldest House, they'd body snatch every person on the planet.. in an instant.
meanwhile the Dark Presence has been doing spooky shit for decades, if not centuries, and has killed a couple dozen people tops, how it even "takes" is never quite explained, nor what keeps it from taking in the interim years.
also without a human mind attached to it, it seems mindless and directionless beyond the want to get out of the strange dimensions in the Lake, and also it seems the reality warping powers are not solely its own, but something seperate.
>meanwhile the Dark Presence has been doing spooky shit for decades, if not centuries, and has killed a couple dozen people tops, how it even "takes" is never quite explained, nor what keeps it from taking in the interim years.
what the fuck are you talking about? The dark presence has never escaped into the real world like the hiss. That's the entire fucking point of the Alan Wake story.
>ahti = finnish water god >alan wake = A.Wake >saga = fairy tale >alex casey = solves cases >emil hartman = doctor >mr. scratch = Alan's censored named (he edits alans stories, corrupting them) >characters mentioned in the manuscript all have tragic backstories (nightingale losing his best friend and colleague, saga losing her child)
anything else you've noticed?
>Alan Wake 1
Imagine a Stephen King pastiche where a writer whose writings influence reality runs around shooting shadow people for 10 hours with mind-numbing gameplay but some decent writing and funny side content. >Control
Imagine a generic red-headed protagonist woman shooting her way through an endless brutalist fractal building while encountering SCP-inspired supernatural objects with middling gameplay but funny side content.
Eh. That's a bit reductive. You could then reduce a lot of Open World or exploration games to walking simulator. Admittedly this game's level design isn't that complicated. But there are still lots of side shit and optional puzzles and collectibles to find along the way. I just personally hate that shit unless it's a metroidvania I like.
So is everyone just a character written into a story, what is even real or not, why does Alex look exactly like Alan's character, why was Alan trapped in the lake the second time but not the first time he jumped in, where is Alice, is Alan dead, is Logan dead, what is real lmao
Most of the things from the real world are real, the things alan imagines or sees in echos in the dark place are made partially from reality and partially fake. Although most of them have become characters written into position in the story, they were not made up for the story. Alex's appearance and resemblance to Alex Casey the character and Aleksi Kesa the finnish actor aren't explained. Life imitates art imitates life imitates art. Alan wrote Departure to leave the first time, Alice is time skipping around the dark place trying to lead alan to safety, alan is not dead, he killed the doubt in his head at the end with the light bullet, logan is not dead presumably cut off for cliffhangers, (YOURE IN A VIDEO GAME MAX)
Alan is simply wrong about writing fictional characters into reality being impossible, because Alan himself is affected by his own reality warping abilities, to him, said characters were always real, because "now they are" post-hoc him writing them.
Alan himself is just Thomas Zane larping a better, more successful life/attempt at beating the Dark Presence, he's a fictional character/reimagining of another person.
>https://alanwake.fandom.com/wiki/Ilmo_Resists_The_Dark_Presence
Hard to say in my opinion, because here it looks like Scratch/Alan is attempting to "insert" a character here, but people can literally resist being a figure in the story, although for how long is hard to say.
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why the fuck are you guys spoonfeeding this retard? these questions are LITERALLY answered in the game multiple times, either through the case board or by Alan himself.
You can get multiple instances of confirmation that Alan can't create something out of nothing. Aka he can't write characters into existence.
If bro can't have basic reading comprehension then it's worthless just telling him.
it's like the "teach a person how to fish, don't just catch the fish for them" saying or whatever.
I want to talk about it and the consequences of my actions are nil
>Alan himself is affected by his own reality warping abilities
...
>Alan himself is just Thomas Zane larping a better, more successful life/attempt at beating the Dark Presence, he's a fictional character/reimagining of another person.
Literally pulling shit out of your ass. None of this is remotely confirmed you midwit. Holy fucking shit. My bad actually maybe that guy was right to complain about the story. If retards like this that pretend they understand anything understand nothing.
I'm pretty sure this is literally addressed in the first game. Fuck, I wish I could remember an exact quote. But I think somebody asks Alan why he can't just write himself a happy ending and it's because he has to make the story make sense based on prestablished facts and rules of the real world. The entire conflict of the first game is that the Dark Place tricked him and edited the story into a horror story, and now he has to write it in a way that steers it away from that because he can't just literally scratch shit out and start over.
Even ignoring all that. Why didn't Alan just write a happy ending straight up? He was desperate to save his wife and we already know she's his anchor to this world. Unless you're trying to suggest Alan is a psycho that was just fucking around in the Dark Place because it was fun "which would make zero fucking sense for any human being ever, not even a psycho because it means you're fucking trapped in essentially non existence" Then provide evidence for that.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>look how hard I'm feigning aggressive astonishment guys!! >do i fit in yet?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Alan is too constrained by medium, genre, prose, character choice, tropes, and his own insecurity about life to write a happy ending to a self proclaimed horror story. He'd rather write a half cocked detective story with a deus ex machina abusing psychic protag to save himself, despite being smart enough to bitch directly to the audience when his past cringe rears its ugly head (sometimes literally with the dark place's time fuckery) to ensure he sticks to whatever convoluted script he first wrote. Which is why he has to go to great lengths to write a prequel filled with retcons and extended introductions for characters who ultimately don't matter that greatly in the narrative frame of the story.
Unlike GOD thomas zane, who transcends beyond creative limits and literally rebirths himself through Jesus Christ Alan Wake Superstar and the power of KINO alone.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
completely forgetting that it was thomas zane who created alan wake
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
GOD created Jesus Christ and yet the man still faltered at times in his life. Explain that
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
also something about jungian shadows, and having to better yourself by accepting the anima and shadow into your own ego makes it make sense in my head. Sure, Wake may be Zane, but it is not confirmed. Nor would it be confirmed that by being reborn would Zane retain his powers as the Lightbringer (which is presumably why he wrote in his own line of succession to deliver his own power in the lamp, to himself). Hence, Alan is still able to falter as an artist since he has not awoken fully to an inner power like Door, the Andersons, or Jesse. However with the help of his own creations he is able to self actualize and defeat his FUD (the jungian shadow) with the help of his wife (the anima) much like zane was able to years prior. Thus he is able to undo even his own death much like Zane does in the motel.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
this is the best interpretation of the events of the game/series.
Control 2 will likely finish off this story as Jesse and Alan are both likely needed to beat the Dark Presence fully
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Alan is too constrained by medium, genre, prose, character choice, tropes, and his own insecurity about life to write a happy ending to a self proclaimed horror story. He'd rather write a half cocked detective story with a deus ex machina abusing psychic protag to save himself, despite being smart enough to bitch directly to the audience when his past cringe rears its ugly head (sometimes literally with the dark place's time fuckery) to ensure he sticks to whatever convoluted script he first wrote.
There is literally zero evidence for this bullshit + do you retards not understand how fucking absurd it would be to write a character like this? There's literally zero way to explain this that doesn't come across as contrived and retarded. If it can't have reasonable basis then the ENTIRE story falls apart.
God. I don't know why so many people have hopped on this theory. I think people just like a really easy and simple hand wavey explanation for everything in the story they don't understand so "Alan can actually write and do anything, but he doesn't because he's just bored with life and prefers chilling in the Dark Place unable to do anything but write and be tormented for 13 years haha!"
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Peak pseud. Notice how you provided zero counter argument. If he's wrong, prove it.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Notice how you provided zero counter argument. If he's wrong, prove it.
......I don't want to do this. I don't want to waste my time on this dogshit godforsaken board anymore. I'm so tired of dealing with stupid people and needing to coach them through basic logical conclusions about how to have a valid argument.
burden of proof. have a nice day.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I don't want to discuss things on a discussion board
Exactly, you're a pseud. The board will be better off without you. Good riddance.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Alan is stuck in the dark place because it fucks with his memory.
he forgets everything constantly, and there is sort of "two" of them, him writing in the cabin, fully aware of most things, and him living out the things he wrote, who is not aware of "Cabin Alan" or the greater plot.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Alan is stuck in the dark place because it fucks with his memory.
Okay. But we don't even need to talk about the second game. The "lose your memory" think didn't happen in the first game until Zane helped him escape. He got his memory back in the end and was competent enough to write in a way that saved Alice. If Alan is just fucking himself over for the fuck of it, why couldn't he have ended everything at the moment he saved Alice? We already know that he's capable of having a substantial effect.
And before you answer. Yes. The answer is because the dark place has rules, and just like one rule is that you give and you take. In the case of Alan, the only way he could save Alice was by giving himself...it would just as much follow that a rule of the Dark Place is that he can't just write whatever he wants out of thin air.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
He doesn't prefer it, it ebbs at his mind and his sanity. In alan wake 1 he is an anxious wreck of an alcoholic with writers block after his super successful series ended of his own hands and maybe a "mean" man to his wife sometimes. It reads like a self portrait of someone overly self aware like Sam Lake.
The dark place isn't his comfort zone, but by becoming the master of the dark (inside himself) Alan will become free. You can see how an awakened master of art like Zane is able to freely create and edit in a place touched by art like the dark place. Alan is able to do this too, although constrained by the framework of the "writers room". Which is presumably either self imposed or a consequence of his choice of art.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>The dark place isn't his comfort zone, but by becoming the master of the dark (inside himself) Alan will become free. You can see how an awakened master of art like Zane is able to freely create and edit in a place touched by art like the dark place. Alan is able to do this too, although constrained by the framework of the "writers room". Which is presumably either self imposed or a consequence of his choice of art.
Okay but what the fuck is the evidence of any of this shit? This all sounds like madeup bullshit to explain some things people don't understand like Alex Casey. None of this like Zane being able to "freely create" is remotely established. Plus are we SERIOUSLY ignoring how fucking insane it is to suggest that being trapped in a void of nothingness, isolated and unable to do anything you enjoy...for THIRTEEN years, when you have a way out (according to you)??? Like do you guys not understand how much isolation and lack of ability to pursue happiness fucks people up?
For this to be justified, the game would have to explain this away SO eloquently. And don't start with that "He loses his memory" bullshit. Like what the fuck man? How is he ever able to write anything at all that effects the current game then? Obviously he CAN write. Which means he should be able to write himself out instantly, and he should be desperate enough to by now. Maybe the awareness of time doesn't exist in the Dark World. But I'm pretty sure that girl infamously locked up in her mothers attic or whatever didn't have a sense of time and still got fucked up. Time still moves on. It's not like Alan stopped aging.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
who wrote the entire plot for the game Control, likely he's been writing constantly but just keeps looping back.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>who wrote the entire plot for the game Control
yeah, but if anything that proves even more that he can't just write characters into existence since Polaris existed with Jesse before Alan ever would have been trapped in the dark place.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
do you honestly think the entire plot of Ordinary sounds even remotely real, even for shit the FBC investigates? its so wild even to THEM.
some measure of all that was absolutely nudged by Alan/Zane.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>some measure of all that was absolutely nudged by Alan/Zane.
My entire point is literally that all Alan and Zane can do is alter and change circumstances, events, and maybe switch cause and effect a little.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
eh, they can do more than that, the Clicker is likely the strongest Object of Power in the entire franchise.
OOP's break reality, and the clicker more than any of them.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
He's not in there by choice, the dark place is as simply understood as depression of the modern kind. Alan is sad with writers block after alex casey because Sam Lake was sad with writers block after he could not work on Max Payne. You have to begin to read the subtext of the work and not the literal poorly done horror. Writers cannot simply "finish" their work, every single writer ever presumably edited or changed or threw out some work before.
Alan and Zane interact through a film strip on a reel in alan wake 2, of which you can literally see and hear edits, cuts, and other film work. When he is shot in the head, Alan is ejected, but the work continues after, showing you that the bullet wound was never there to begin with.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Besides, alan DID write that he escaped. He just can't instantly write another truth about escaping now because it suits him at the moment, not without scratching out previous work that he lol forgot about. When he tries the dark place sends another confused alan to walk down the hallway and shoot himself in the head.
will continue this in the next thread when I finish the game.
In the meantime. Did anybody else get stumped by the puzzle for the shotgun in the sheriff's office? Also why are all of Saga's optional puzzles so much harder than anything in the main game? that feels so stupid and backwards
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
that is just a number iteration puzzle, its math for 12 year olds.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
What do you mean continue I finished the game this morning
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
did you miss the "I" or what? you're lucky I haven't immediately dismissed you for your poor reading comprehension.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yeah, what are you continuing? My posts?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
....
that is just a number iteration puzzle, its math for 12 year olds.
that's obviously not the hard part retard. it's figuring what the fuck the game wants you to translate into numbers
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yeah, it was annoying to figure out which books to use.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I figure "Part 1, 2, 3" denote the order of the combinations once you find the letters. But I can't for the life of me figure out what letters I'm supposed to use
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>This all sounds like madeup bullshit to explain some things people don't understand
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Besides, alan DID write that he escaped. He just can't instantly write another truth about escaping now because it suits him at the moment, not without scratching out previous work that he lol forgot about. When he tries the dark place sends another confused alan to walk down the hallway and shoot himself in the head.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
ALan's entire life is just something Thomas Zane made.
Alan can fucking re-write reality as long as he's in the Dark Place, though there are strange limits, and the more he writes, the more the Dark Presence can fill in the blanks to do heinous shit.
Alan pulls Alex Casey (almost literally Max Payne, changed for reasons of not owning the OP) from his novels and makes him real, when he does this, they are and were always "real" now, IE, his reality warping extends into the past.
Alan himself may or may not be a fictional character himself, created by someone who essentially went through the same thing as him in the 60's, but its more and more likely that him and Thomas Zane are functionally the SAME person.
to sum it up, Alan is using his ability to write reality to escape and defeat the dark presence, he is incapable of doing this, because the DP is also "in" him as Scratch who is just unknitting the sweater of reality Alan knits.
Nah, it's how the dark place works. The whole reason Alan has the clicker is because Thomas Zane wrote that Alan's mom gave it to him, Alan did the same to Casey.
Most of the things from the real world are real, the things alan imagines or sees in echos in the dark place are made partially from reality and partially fake. Although most of them have become characters written into position in the story, they were not made up for the story. Alex's appearance and resemblance to Alex Casey the character and Aleksi Kesa the finnish actor aren't explained. Life imitates art imitates life imitates art. Alan wrote Departure to leave the first time, Alice is time skipping around the dark place trying to lead alan to safety, alan is not dead, he killed the doubt in his head at the end with the light bullet, logan is not dead presumably cut off for cliffhangers, (YOURE IN A VIDEO GAME MAX)
why the fuck are you guys spoonfeeding this retard? these questions are LITERALLY answered in the game multiple times, either through the case board or by Alan himself.
You can get multiple instances of confirmation that Alan can't create something out of nothing. Aka he can't write characters into existence.
If bro can't have basic reading comprehension then it's worthless just telling him.
it's like the "teach a person how to fish, don't just catch the fish for them" saying or whatever.
You're a clown. The guy was confused and had genuine questions, there was nothing malicious in it.
You're a pseud.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>You're a clown.
I don't care what you think I am. The fact that this was all you had as a response just proves my point further retard.
>The guy was confused and had genuine questions, there was nothing malicious in it.
God. Everyday I come on this board I'm proven time and time again why the human race is so fucking retarded and gets "tricked" by misinformation and other forms of obfuscation constantly. If the only way you can engage with anything is by throwing out shallow adhoms that reaffirm your view to make you feel better than don't at all. It won't change the fact that I'm right. Just retreat to your delusional bubble of a world. Not everything needs to be fucking "malicious" to be corrected retard. Fucking hell I can't believe I'm even trying to explain myself to somebody that could be retarded enough to even imply that.
Infact 90% of misinformation ISNT malicious or it wouldn't spread so easily. I don't need to believe that somebody is the next coming of Hitler to correct them on the notion of 1+1 being 11. KYS and never respond to me again. Worthless ape.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>AW2 shizo rages about misinformation
You're an actual certified retard. The guy was doing the opposite of "misinformation." He was trying to inform himself on a story he was confused about. I'm sorry you think you have a big brain because you played and loved Sam Lake's latest feces, but the truth is you are Dunning-Kruger personified.
Alan was writing his way out of the dark place, then he ended up at the beginning of sagas story. Saga found wake, then solved the mystery for herself before fighting scratch and being thrown into the dark place where she then shoots alan/scratch in the head.
Alans events however did not play out at the same time as Sagas, even though they echo each other and even connect at different points. Because of dark place fuckery, also there is a magical Black and quanTIM BREAKer and the funny finn who got dragged in from their other games.
explore? in control? the fact that everything was so railroaded was the most disappointing part of the entire game. if exploration was organic, and felt natural then the game could be a legit 9/10 at the very least. God. I actually wrote an essay on so many things that could make the game a masterpiece. Despite coming away ultimately giving the game an 8/10. I think Control is the game (series) with the most possible potential in the last decade.
The game makes it seen the job is miserable and the pay isn't great either. I was thinking they literally announced position on the paper and hire any retard who can keep their mouth shut (who's gonna believe you anyway)
I wouldn't be surprised if they fish for low ranking personnel now and then due to the nature of the building and its propensity for voreing employees.
Probably some office drone that does reports or some other excel bullshit. Then one day after begging for a long time to work with aliens get a very important job of cleaning the cell of "scp-445566" codename "piss shitter" who pisses and shits constantly and someone has to clean it up. Not even a chance of horrific death to free from this bullshit (and bullpiss).
Noir York City/Address Unknown will look like the Dark Place and Valkyr overdoses will reference Alan's writing him. Control is tougher, but maybe the ashtray makes an appearance before Max stops smoking.
>replay Alan Wake 1
It never occured to me how Alice was a fucking bitch for signing up Alan to a shrink without his knowledge when it was meant to be a nice little getaway for him to not stress about his writing.
whattever happened to Alice. And why did they retcon that Diner chick, Rose? want she catatonic after the Dark Presence touched her in the second game.? She even lost the ability to speak?
Pretty sure Rose was always fine afterwards when the Dark Presence released her. Hell the ending has her standing in the street holding a lantern. Her replacing Cynthia isn't that odd.
Hartman sold himself as a therapist specializing in guiding people out of creative droughts. For Alan it was his writer's block after finishing the Alex Casey series
alice didn't know that he was using his patients to resurrect barbara jagger, the woman he loved
I'm aware Alice didn't know Hartman's real intentions, just that luring someone somewhere under the pretenses of having a nice holiday to forget about your problems to then try and stage and intervention and telling them you're going to a shrink is a dumb and shitty thing to do.
He's even more mysterious in Control. He knows what's going on. Has no problem with any heavy hitters around. Knows telepathy and can read minds. Is named after a Finnish water god. Could be the strongest character in Remedy Connected Universe. Sings a song called Sankarin Tango. Said song on radios quarantines all sorts of of supernatural stuff. The lyrics are theorized to be his motivation, which is to safeguard the universe and act against disorder, chaos and entropy. Except he's tired and wants to take a holiday in Watery, so he pushes the work on you the player.
In AW2 it's muddied a lot more. Maybe he's not totally overpowered against these mundane things? He can feel anxiety?! Maybe he's a friend of Thomas Zane? Maybe he was created by Thomas/Alan? Maybe he's conspiring with Zane against Alan?
More interesting than the NG+ leaks are the DLC leaks with Darling. I'm really curious where they fit into the timeline since Darling goes AWOL at the end of Control but now is apparently in the Dark Place.
>people argue over who and what's real, who wrote what, etc.
The truth is that none of it matters, the actual answer will never be as good as your own imagination.
axe thrower enemies need to be permanently deleted from the game
>just finished Cynthia fight >running back to town >come across nursery rhyme >suddenly taken Cultists show up >was low on ammo already from fighting Cynthia >actually run out of ammo for the first time. >get creative with conserving ammo and finish off the last 2 melee cultists with melee attacks >start thinking "hey that was kinda fun" >axe thrower bitch dashing around like a retard. >try to do the same and even time my dodges so I can get to her fast enough >immediately stops throwing and dashes away everytime last second >forced to use rare rifle ammo on her
The axe throwers are fucking shit enemy design because on their own, they're not actually REMOTELY threatening enough to matter. So the only way they're "interesting" is because you have to chase them around arbitrarily because they'll just spam that retarded teleport any time you get close or enemy time you point your gun at them for more than 3 seconds. It's fucking obnoxious because it's all meaningless in the end. You'll still kill them. They'll still barely hit you, and the only reason you're not killing them faster is for arbitrary reasons.
It's so fucking dumb and obnoxious. I legit just run past these retards now because there's nothing fun about fighting them. Atleast with the melee enemies, I can mix up melee attacks of my own to stun them momentarily for easier headshot, or even just straight up kill them. Shit like this legit makes me want to stop playing this game and go boot up control even tho that game isn't really better, atleast I feel like a Powerful God that can just toy with enemies freely in that game.
See, this is the thing with having a tight combat system vs a loose one. You have a lot more responsibility to get enemy design right. Why do you think enemies are glorified punching bags in DMC3? Because if the enemy has a meaningful chance to fight back, you can't look as cool and stylish because it's now a fight.
oh god, you're reminding me how dogshit this show was and how inferior it was to x-files. I don't understand how the character writing was so cringe and contrived. her rant to Lance Reddick about thinking her emotions help her with her job and woman are unfairly complained about for that or whatever made me stop
why the fuck do character fucking swear so fucking much in this fucking game? like the fuck??????
it throws me off so hard when I'm hearing FBI agents just swear for the fuck of it, of FBC retards, especially that retard esquez or whatever telling me "didn't I tell you to fuck off haha, we can't totally banter like this because we're friendly and this isn't a serious situation at all"
Just feels so superficial to me. Throws me off so hard. Like I legit tuned out her dialogue because of this. Is something wrong with me? or what
At times I feel like characters speak like direct mouthpieces from the author, with cadence that matches alan's vocal performance or the exact lines he writes in the novel. Still desperately needed a pass to tone down some of the robotic swearing and phrasing even beyond the meta lampshading (if it was intentional).
I'm trusting AWAN Alan saying that those touched by the powers can sense changes and therefore Cynthia is the most uncompromised character due to not being a central target of the story's fuckery. She says Zane was a poet, he was a poet.
Jesse also says that he is a poet. Presumably her connection to Polaris is preventing the Dark Place's fuckery from affecting her.
I just don't understand where Zane the director comes from.
It's true and Alan says it too, but him and Jesse are protagonists in the middle of the shitstorm, so they aren't quite as reliable as Cynthia to me, who could've narratively been misled due to not having plot armor, but wasn't.
I'm trusting AWAN Alan saying that those touched by the powers can sense changes and therefore Cynthia is the most uncompromised character due to not being a central target of the story's fuckery. She says Zane was a poet, he was a poet.
points out, certain people have been said to be resistant to reality-fuckery. In Control, Darling says that parautilitarians have a natural resistance to these kinds of changes, so Cynthia and Jesse Fayden both remember the original Poet-Zane. This is where we're out of hard facts and all I have is my own conjecture:
Poet-Zane's place has been usurped by nu-Zane, a finnish film maker who suHispaniciously has Alan's face. I believe nu-Zane is Alan Wake writing himself into taking the place of Poet-Zane, by making it so that Poet-Zane was just one of nu-Zane's fictional characters, like Casey is to Alan. Why he did this, I'm not sure; he might have done this to help his own Initiation, by following the Hero's Journey and having his nu-Zane be his own "brother" to check that "Battle with the brother" part.
But the case remains we don't know yet.
But then why would the Finnish characters call him Tom, especially Ahti? Ahti seems pretty much omnipotent in Control and AW2, so is this to help Alan turn into Tom or something? It's just weird that he would call Alan a different name to his face when there is no way in hell that Ahti is getting affected by anything The Dark Place is doing.
Ahti probably sees Alan just playing the same role as Tom and to him he's just him fucking with himself. nu-Zane is finnish, so he probably calls Alan Tom only because of that because he's also finnish. It could also have been a deliberate choice from the author to hint to the audience (us) that Tom and Alan are the same person.
He was a poet, that much is sure. It was one of the only thing we knew about him from what he left in his shoebox.
From the moment alan started writing him back into existence, something went wrong.
I think everyone forgets that if there is a dark presence, it must have an opposite. Remember what Tom was like in the first game? Now think about the origin of films.
This might also be a good time to remind people of https://thishouseofdreams.blogspot.com/
>I think everyone forgets that if there is a dark presence, it must have an opposite.
Oh yeah, what was the Bright Presence up to this entire game, aside from lighting up save rooms?
don't really see the problem? it eventually becomes a problem. I'm on chapter 6: Scratch or whatever and I've only got 4 rows, which gets tight when I'm trying to carry a crossbow, pistol, shotgun, rifle and all their ammo at the same time.
I feel like this game has been pretty good with inventory management and resource management unless you just NEVER explore and somehow run away from EVERY single enemy or kill bosses without wasting any ammo...which seems impossible to me on hard mode with how much bullets everything takes but hey, what do I know, I'm just playing the game
...wait till this guy finds out that videogames are literally made up world's with arbitrary events. that exist to stimulate the player.
>giving you an upgrade to the inventory from the very start means that's how big the inventory should just be at the start of the game.
or it could just be a way to show that the inventory can expand? do you not understand the point of inventory space? I don't even get what the fuck your complaint is because it's genuinely retarded. why the fuck should it be given any later? or earlier? just as you assert that it's arbitrary when it was given, any other time would be arbitrary too. They probably gave it at that point for the reasons I said. Probably because you'd need more inventory eventually, and because it's how they show you that you can get more inventory.
I cannot fathom for the life of me how this is "bad game design" enough for somebody to actually remotely imply is a flaw. Like I said. If you're making the claim that it's arbitrary then it wouldn't matter actually whether you start with that inventory or get it later. You'd still have enough space for the points in the story at that point.
Plus, am I mistaken or do you NOT get the extra inventory space around the same time you can find the shotgun? Can anybody confirm? Can't remember my first couple hours of play.
>I'm saying that inventory upgrades should be rewards and feel needed, think RE4.
but...it is a reward, like I said. I found need for it. It's useful because I get to carry all 3 of the weapons I found on my own.
I think you just mean it doesn't feel like an "immediate" reward. It's more equivalent to a stat buff to how much XP you get rather than immediate damage? That's what you mean right?
I kind of get your point, but I wouldn't go as far as to call it bad game design. It's still rewarding, still useful, it's just delayed gratification.
My guess for part of the reason it feels this way, is because new weapons are found optionally (for the most part) by engaging with the stash puzzles. It's not a curated scripted sequence like RE4 where it's RIGHT there, or you can just buy it. Obviously it's not like all the puzzles are supremely hard, but you get my point.
>fighting wake (scratch) in Saga's section >he's literally the shadow monsters but stronger and more aggressive
I fucked up and put the medium healies in my quick slot because I had no pain killers. I'm fucked now. I can't get to the light arrays fast enough, mfer just teleports behind me. I will do it tho. I will succeed.
To the fair that entire section is retarded. >lets do an autopsy with no equipment >the sheriff just disappeared into thin air... that's weird >oh my, multiple cops have been killed by a reanimated corpse >rest of the precinct: okay, no problem.
>the fuck are they going to do retard? Casey already called for backup anyway when they got out.
Ok, go and cause a commotion at your local precinct and see if everyone sits around idly while gunshots go off in the basement.
This is how retarded you are.
>Ok, go and cause a commotion at your local precinct and see if everyone sits around idly while gunshots go off in the basement.
Are you retarded? They're FBI and telling them they'll sort of everything out. It doesn't fucking matter what the fuck they want to do. People of higher designation are dealing with it and they can't do shit anyway. They better fucking listen. Fuck, I wouldn't mind if some retard cop went to try and do...what? even on their own? I legit do not get what the fuck they would even do. The only thing they could do was call for backup, that small as local town isn't suited to do a search for Nightingale, might aswell leave it up to the dudes that have an idea where he might have gone.
Yes, yes. multiple cops get killed, the sheriff gets deleted, and every cop sits around in the precinct like nothing happens. Makes total sense.
BRAVO LAKE!
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Ok, go and cause a commotion at your local precinct and see if everyone sits around idly while gunshots go off in the basement.
Are you retarded? They're FBI and telling them they'll sort of everything out. It doesn't fucking matter what the fuck they want to do. People of higher designation are dealing with it and they can't do shit anyway. They better fucking listen. Fuck, I wouldn't mind if some retard cop went to try and do...what? even on their own? I legit do not get what the fuck they would even do. The only thing they could do was call for backup, that small as local town isn't suited to do a search for Nightingale, might aswell leave it up to the dudes that have an idea where he might have gone.
>This is how retarded you are.
Sure lil bro.
-"Blam blam blam" Jesus fucking Christ you guys killed our childhood friends!
-A ghost did it, it wasn't us.
-Hands behind your head, lay down on the ground. We'll call your supervisors and tell them what happend, the court will figure this shit out based on the evidence.
-Stop resisting you murderers
*Blam blam blam*
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
The only person with a bullet wound would be agent Nightingale. Police stations have cctv just look at the lights go out and the spooky zombie killing people
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
It was a joint police station/morgue in a small town with budgetary constraints.
They don't have cctv.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>why don't they react
Watch Twin Peaks, like Sam Lake did. They called for backup and reasonably left. You don't need to see the hours of debrief or the fact that half of the people in the story were controlled by alan. Half of the shitty writing contrivances are because of the meta writing aspect of the game. Alan is literally willing his creation to succeed. People act like stilted characters because they are, when they need to be.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Watch Twin Peaks
I already did, and it was infinitely more intelligent than Sam Lake will ever be. >AW is meant to be bad... because Alan is a bad writer bro!
Get fucked
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
You don't understand, the writing is so complex and nuanced that it's suppose to be bad on purpose. 4D chess brah.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>The rain had come down hard. The pounding the homosexual OP got hurt like hell, and it kept coming.
Sam Lake is a genre writer who writes stilted characters who comment on how stilted they are, and you think that its some how genius. Retard 2nd grader reading level ITT
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Learn what lampshading is homosexual. You are a hopeless ESL and an even worse writer if
"Sick fucks not just broke the neck and limbs of two police officers but they even put a couple rounds into a corps just for fun... " Said sheriff Johnson two months later on the court hearing
is the best you can think up in a universe where the tranny janny glowies literally exist. Why is Bright Falls still inhabited if thousands of troons go missing yearly? Why did no one question Alan Wakes disappearance in 2010 if not writing contrivance. Hes not the only person KIA or MIA from the event, see the fed fat fuck.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>retard thinks I am multiple people
first time on the board? you're free to go back to /r/alanwake at any time.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>what happened? >... >hes dead!
This is somehow good writing to you, fucking dilate lynchtroon
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>he got filtered by TP3
no wonder you love AW2, it's right on your level. enjoy, babby!
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>filtered
I am infinitely more intelligent than David Lynch will ever be. >TP3 is meant to be bad... because Lynch is a sitcom writer bro!
Get fucked
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
When did I say you were the same person, I said that's your preferred style of writing. Maybe if English was your first language you would understand the difference between you and "I". I accept your concession.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>When did I say you were the same person
Right here: >if
"Sick fucks not just broke the neck and limbs of two police officers but they even put a couple rounds into a corps just for fun... " Said sheriff Johnson two months later on the court hearing
is the best you can think up
What does "you" mean in your language, ESL troon?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>2nd post isn't even mine
Whats your point fag
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>2nd post isn't even mine
Whats your point fag
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Keep parroting me buddy I'm sure it'll win your argument about the game becoming Payday 2
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>dumb cunt doesn't understand what quotes are
That was your quote, quoting someone else, attributing that quote to me, when it wasn't me.
Do I need to translate this to your local language?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>dumbass samefag needs to insult himself to continue the argument
>Why did no one question Alan Wakes disappearance in 2010 if not writing contrivance. Hes not the only person KIA or MIA from the event, see the fed fat fuck.
You guys constantly proof you don't actually pay and remote attention to the story.
[...] >-Hands behind your head, lay down on the ground. We'll call your supervisors and tell them what happend, the court will figure this shit out based on the evidence.
They have zero fucking reasonable basis of anything, these are dudes who are liable to law enforcement, it would have been murder and kidnapping in broad daylight, and there's literally ZERO reason to think it was them that did the murdering.
You realize before you can actually detain you need either reasonable cause, or reasonable suHispanicion, and what the law defines that as (still vaguely) is objective evidence that justifies stopping and searching. Yes, an investigation wouldn't be out of the question, but Saga and Casey could have killed everyone in that station too, and just ran away. None of it makes enough sense to detain them. Plus they've expressed willingness to help in the investigation.
I just don't see the problem. I don't see any basis they would have for stopping them other than feeling and intuition. And that isn't objective.
ESL, the questions are rhetoricals to show how ridiculous the response is on its face. They are not brought up in universe primarily because of how small the town is, how cloistered the community is, and because the feds are watching. Sorry you need the reddit sarcasm tag to realize /s
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Go back to lampshading, bud. Forums are way too confusing for you it seems.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>um aktually is was the proverbial "you"
It's time to retire your message board career. It's over.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>lampshading
This sounds incredibly racist, I'm not going to look it up.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Dare I say... antisemitic.
I'd really like it if everyone cooled it with those type of remarks.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Why did no one question Alan Wakes disappearance in 2010 if not writing contrivance. Hes not the only person KIA or MIA from the event, see the fed fat fuck.
You guys constantly proof you don't actually pay and remote attention to the story.
[...]
-"Blam blam blam" Jesus fucking Christ you guys killed our childhood friends!
-A ghost did it, it wasn't us.
-Hands behind your head, lay down on the ground. We'll call your supervisors and tell them what happend, the court will figure this shit out based on the evidence.
-Stop resisting you murderers
*Blam blam blam*
>-Hands behind your head, lay down on the ground. We'll call your supervisors and tell them what happend, the court will figure this shit out based on the evidence.
They have zero fucking reasonable basis of anything, these are dudes who are liable to law enforcement, it would have been murder and kidnapping in broad daylight, and there's literally ZERO reason to think it was them that did the murdering.
You realize before you can actually detain you need either reasonable cause, or reasonable suHispanicion, and what the law defines that as (still vaguely) is objective evidence that justifies stopping and searching. Yes, an investigation wouldn't be out of the question, but Saga and Casey could have killed everyone in that station too, and just ran away. None of it makes enough sense to detain them. Plus they've expressed willingness to help in the investigation.
I just don't see the problem. I don't see any basis they would have for stopping them other than feeling and intuition. And that isn't objective.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>constantly proof you don't actually pay and remote attention
English second fucking language
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>literally ZERO reason to think it was them that did the murdering.
Lets take a look, shall we; >last seen with the victims >out of towners, unknown >has the necessary means to carry it out
Why yes, it must have been ghosts instead!
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
There are either so few officers its inconsequential or they were summarily exploded by nightingale within seconds of the shit hitting the fan.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Wouldn't it be funny if Sami Järvi himself would be the one who's defending his incredibly shitty story here.
I can imagine him sitting in a room, decorated with his own photos, banging on his keyboard, with rosy cheeks and foggy glasses, echoing constantly how his story "supposed to be bad, were just too dumb to recognize his intellect".
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>>last seen with the victims
That's not objective evidence.
>>out of towners, unknown
That's not objective evidence.
>>has the necessary means to carry it out
Every adult, fuck it, even any child that isn't a baby has the means to carry out any crime retard, and none of the dead police offers have gun shot wounds anyway.
The most you could do with this, is say "can we ask you some questions" and if they decline, you go fuck off and look for more evidence that you can actually pin them on. Also they're not just "out of towners" they're fucking FBI, liable to the highest order. Also like I said, both of them could have killed everyone in the station and ran away. It makes no sense. You need more evidence. And they're people designated to investigate this stuff that already count as eye witnesses that are willing to aid in the investigation. If they skip town, you can call the FBI immediately and GUARANTEE they be found. Otherwise, you don't really have much other jurisdiction.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Go and fire shots around your local police station, and also have people go "missing" in the same timeframe.
(editors note: this is an example, do not do this, retard)
Yeah bro, the cops will totally not apprehend you, and will instead let you go because they have "zero" evidence.
YOU ARE A RETARD.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Yeah bro, the cops will totally not apprehend you, and will instead let you go because they have "zero" evidence.
I don't know why you keep doing this thing trying to equivocate it exactly to a general context of real life when we're in a town where those two officers were part of a cult that kills taken, and in a town that people are aware of mystical powers regarding the lake, and those same officers that Saga and Casey talked to, know that Nightingale was a taken...
you're a real fucking retard you know that. And every single other retard that tried to imply that the writing was bad because of this one scene. And the fucking notion that suspected kidnappers would...kidnap somebody...then walk out of the front fucking door? Are you retarded? Jesus Christ why do I waste my time on this shitty board. I should always trust that I've thought about this longer than these retards, so I'm right.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
go "missing" in the same timeframe
people miss each other all the time, that's not a crime
>>YOU ARE A RETARD
I'm actually more intelligent than anybody on the planet. Ask my mother.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
"Sick fucks not just broke the neck and limbs of two police officers but they even put a couple rounds into a corps just for fun... " Said sheriff Johnson two months later on the court hearing
It's more the fact their fucking Sherriff just vanished and no one even comments on it. No one seems to care that he just disappeared and there isn't even a known replacement for him.
To be fair there was probably all of 2 days since he went missing before the game ends. They find alan the night after he gets grabbed and they are attacked at the police station the very next night.
>half the town turns into a warzone, and every time this happens the populace magically just doesn't ever see it or its aftermath >then the power in the nursing home goes out the porch light is still on for some reason >sheriff gets kidnapped, no one cares
This stuff was incredibly awkward >inb4 alan is a lazy writer etc dark place
Doesn't stop it from seeming incredibly lazy an dhalf-assed from the viewer's perspective.
>there's 1 janny actively banning people posting pictures of Sagas voice actress in Alan Wake threads for 2 months now
Kek idk if that's based or pathetic
Why didn't thornton and tubby just gut Saga and snap Casey like a toothpick? Why didn't some random klan member from out innawoods just curbstomp her? Why did anything happen in any fucking game? >but the written explanation in fiction isnt real!!!!
why the fuck are you even playing?
So. I just got to the "This is the beginning of the end of the game" Pop Up. Uhhhh I accidentally clicked continue on that shit I think. But I haven't touched a single one of Alan's sections since the first one...am I fucked? I'm not all clear on this.
The more cooks, the worse the soup. Hehehe.
Truly Fins are the most oppressed people in the world.
Lmao why did that homosexual get banned for that?
Jannies don't know games
Why was he so scared and confused in that one conversation you have with him in his room in the nursing home?
Trench mentions he has dementia in Control
From any theoretical point of view I take on it, I don't like it at all.
But to answer your question with the one I feel the likeliest and most natural with, it's that he's getting swept along with the story and can't get himself out of it. And even contemplating that last bit earnestly makes me want to vomit. I emotionally wish the scene didn't exist.
>Saga Anderson is more powerful than Ahti
Bleh
I'm partial to the idea that the entity Ahti took over some random human who occasionally becomes lucid and has no idea wtf is going on
That's horrifying and sad to think about some old ass finn janitor living like that
what? I've finished the game yesterday and don't understand what scene you're referring to
What scene in a nursing home?
There's a scene that can be triggered in the Valhalla nursing home where Ahti is sitting on his bed and when you walk up to him he says things like he doesn't know where he is, wants to go home, feels like he's floating through an ocean or something and is just generally scared and confused. It didn't trigger on my playthrough but I saw someone post a webm of it
I don't think it's real. I literally just talked to him and he only talked about Vlad Blum
What Valhalla nursing home? Is this in Control DLC or another game?
AW2
Ok, thanks Anon, no wonder i'm confused
The pure, unadulterated cringe of this game always surprises me. Is there a genre that's solely focused on making you cringe on purpose, because I feel like this game is designed to do just that. Its surely not a coincidence when every screenshot and webm I see about it makes me cringe harder than the last. This game might be a masterpiece, but its not a horror or a thriller it's the most effective cringepiece of all time. Hats off to Remedy.
>most effective cringepiece of all time
I cringe whenever Sam Lake appears. There's something about the ridiculous faces that he makes. Truly uncanny. And I'm not just talking about the game, it happens when I watch interviews with him, as well.
And the fact that hes being redubbed makes him even more uncanny. Mccaffrey does not sound like a tall, scrawny finnish dude at all, but like a short bald chain-smoking car mechanic from the outskirts of New Jersey. With the pixelated, motionless face of the first Max Payne it kinda worked, but now it's just weird as hell. They should have at least try to stylize Casey to fit the husky voice instead of the 1:1 3D scan, but then these 'amazing' movie inserts would have been harder and more expensive to shoot..
Glad I'm not the only one who thought the same thing. Every time there's dialogue with Casey in AW2 it just seems wrong that that frame would produce such a senior gravelly voice
NO CHANCE!!!
WHACK
ITS PAYNE!
he's like a PS2 character model made manifest in reality
Is he impersonating asian people here? Thats kinda fucked up..
to give a serious answer to your shitpost I'm pretty sure he's going for a dirty hairy clint eastwood expression.
I love it all except for one thing; the fact that the enemies in control are called hiss actually makes me cringe. It's like some child with ADD who walks around on his tiptoes and eats crayons came up with the idea while playing with action figures in the bathtub while jamal was in the next room giving his mother a black eye because she wouldn't give him money for a pack of swishers
how would you call it? It's a malevolent non corporeal entity that makes a hissing noise
I would either not have them hiss or I would write a better defining characteristic in the first place.
well they aren't The Hiss, its just a name Jesse made up and everyone sticks with it.
Lynchian
>Lynchian
I never seen anything from Lynch, but that was his style? Being so apologetically bad that it's start to get kinda impressive? Where you ask yourself the question, "They didn't really think this shit will work, did they?" or "Are they this retarded or are they just fucking with me?" after every shot.
No, Lynch is more known for a soap opera-esque style and using disorienting shots. Control is not Lynchian at all.
Example: You will start a scene like a Soap Opera dialogue but then the content and tone of voice and music becomes chilling and then you will get whacked in the head with something alien.
This is probably the most associated style although he does pure surrealism too in many films.
Yes, Twin Peaks is literally that, it's kino. Remedy shit is clearly based on it, you'll get more of them coming from Lynch shit.
Yes, just like I am Jazz:
https://vocaroo.com/1i4CRGpFNd2w
Thank you, i kinda get what lynchian means now. Its contrast of the grotesque and the mundane when they are forced to collide. I wouldn't call neither The room or AW II lynchian, it's a new unnamed genre of "its so bad its kinda fascinating". I hope someone coins a working term for it soon. "Cringesque" maybe?
dude, just watch twin peaks, you'll get it
Don't watch Twin Peaks for Lynch. His films are much better.
For me, it's the podcasts
https://vocaroo.com/157Fn22OCvsv
https://vocaroo.com/1ghWbybAj1as
https://vocaroo.com/16uzaUZKjXeq
are there more of these?
https://vocaroo.com/150beP5hZAvV
https://vocaroo.com/11OYAkO2CSgh
>https://vocaroo.com/150beP5hZAvV
Damn, brought me back to the good old /tpg/ days.
They're not.
I've watched Elephant Man, it has nothing to do with classic Lynch so the comparison is impossible
Dune is shit
Lost Highway is great but doesn't compare to Twin Peaks
Mullolhand Drive good but overrated, Lost Highway is better and Twin Peaks too
Fake and gay, first season of Twin Peaks is kino. It is much different from his films but still excellent.
Season 3 is ultimate kino and total pleb filter
The whole show rules tbh but after Lynch left in season 2 it kinda went of the rails (in a bad way). I still love all of it though.
>Being so apologetically bad that it's start to get kinda impressive?
RIP
Is the 2003 movie called "The Room" also Lynchian?
>Lynchian
Of course, considering how AW2 is just Twin Peaks: The Return Lite
shit was wild, I miss it
It even has Mr. C, or rather Mr. S
That's actually shameless kek
Mr.S was written before TP3 though
The design choice, dummy
Mr.S is a blatant ripoff from Bob and thus evil Cooper that shows up in the last episode of season 2
Everything about AW reeks of poor man's twin peak, I fucking cringed when I saw the lantern lady.
AW1 really doesn't feel like it borrows that heavily from Twin Peaks, the lamp lady is the big one but other than that its just the setting and really not much else.
AW2 borrows much more heavily from Twin Peaks, both the return and original show.
I'm gonna be real. I don't like AW2 Scratch. He comes across like a retard. American Nightmare Scratch was an easily distracted sociopath. You could buy the idea of him rewriting Alan's book. AW2 Scratch, not so much.
>an easily distracted sociopath.
literally the most retarded plot point ever. absolutely zero sense or substance to it. atleast it was fun and gave us nice meme pics tho
otherwise. while I don't like Scratch's depiction in AW2, American Nightmares was retarded all around.
Don't underestimate an edgelord.
American Nightmare Scratch is nu-Zane, it's a little bit on the nose with the song choice in that scene
that version of scratch is entirely in Alan's head, his real world incarnation is just a monster, the Dark Presence as filtered through Alan Wake.
Alan copes with this by, in the Dark Place, rejecting Scratch as himself by making him an evil psychopath doppleganger.
He's not retarded, just very edgy.
The Alan Wake dlc in Control literally had a mission called It's Happening Again: The Return
that's what I love so goddamn much about this game. The Return is unparalleled
Based
Fun fact: they used the audio of a crow chick being fed for the audio in the end
Here
>muh cringe
why do zoomers fear camp so much
Filtered unironically
It's because they try to do this wierd melding of horror and comedy and it doesn't work, it just undermines the horror aspect and makes it impossible to take the games seriously. This series has one of the worst cases of tonal whiplash I've ever seen.
I hope you get run over by a car and become paralyzed for the rest of your life
its CRINGE KINO
and Saga a CUTE
Sage causes an acute headache for sure.
I couldn't imagine having taste so shit that you find her "cute".
Her lips would go nicely around your penis, but that's about it.
Op here, I meant to link this pic, sorry for the mixup.
Does dick suckin' run in the Door family?
Yeah, they were meant to be called the "Backdoor" guys, but Sweet Baby changed it cause back sounds like black.
I don't like her character, but love the actress and her expressions.
same energy
Huh, that same thing happens in Control.
Except Control doesn't resent being a videogame, so it actually happens in-game.
It's from in-game short movie. It sort of plays in the background at certain point of the game and you can stay and watch it if you feel like it.
It also happens in-game in AW2. I don't know why the posters don't disappear once the doors are opened like in Control. I thought the point was that seeing his poster brings up the idea of him, which in turn materializes him in the room, while the poster disappears.
perkele, you fucking homosexual.
>mfw i didnt get scammed by shartcitizen
Say what you like about the game, but Finland is kino as fuck
saatana
Yötön Yö is such a good song, bros.
Not as good as the Sankarin Tango.
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I love the little musical touches in these games though. One of my favorite things Remedy does.
More games should do the "Waves of enemy come at you while diegetic music plays" finale. It boggles my mind that the guys who did American Nightmare didn't make the final act in the drive-in theater an extended battle with Mr. Scratch singing I'M A PSYCHO PSYCHO PSYCHO on the big screen. It would've made the game halfway memorable
I love both but I definitely prefer Yötön Yö
So does the chick from Control show up in AW2 or wat
Her face flashes on a TV screen for 1 second and she says "Hello?"
yes, when Wake meets Zane she is on tv for a moment.
For a second on television and written on a conspiracy billboard.
Tim Breaker Jack Joyce mentions that some redhead is trying to rescuing him from the dark place, or something of that nature
finnish people are so fucking cringe. i physically cringed every time i heard this goofy nagger talk in control.
He's cool
true t. a finn
come to my face sven!
He literally does it for free
At least he gets vacations
He's got a real potty mouth when he's speaking Finnish
He doesn't have his headphones in AW2 like he did in Control. I wonder if he was just using them to drown out the Hiss
Well unlike the hiss it's not over for you the instant you get into contact with darkness, so i doubt he needs headphones or radios with his song here and there.
Instead he cleans up rooms for you to stay in. Note that radios are only found inside safe rooms in which you can switch sides.
>Is incompetent in your path
>make an agency that's being run by some eldritch elder god thing to stop paranormal shit
>can't actually stop anything and lets some shadow demon and a reality bending writer run amok and almost fuck the entire world
That is in character with what we've seen from them in Control. The FBC would've ceased to exist if not for Jesse/Polaris and Ahti
You're forgetting the arguably most compelling character in the game that's the REAL reason the bureau isn't fucked since before Jesse and Ahti could do anything, the HRA devices had to protect some from becoming Hiss.
Woman in charge
They were shitting the bed for a while and the last two directors were men.
One of them was a power hungry whorebag to the point they turned him into a reactor, and the other was a guy who never wanted the position because he knew his talents lay elsewhere
>WE LOCKED UP ALL THE SPOOKY SUPERNATURAL SHIT IN ONE PLACE AND YOU'LL NEVER GUESS WHAT HAPPENS NEXT
Okay someone has to tell me how the bureau loses like 99% of its staff in the Hiss incident and comes back from it.
Is this the thread where we talk about Finland?
Painu takaisin Reddittiin, homostelija.
>david lynch, finland
😐
>david lynch, japan
:OOOOOO
Pretty sure Ganker forgot about Swery
He should have continued D4 if he didn't want me to forget about him.
I'm still mad.
With such hits as DP2 and The Good Life as well as leaving D4 for dead I can't say I give a shit about him anymore
Lake should get Eddie Vedder to do a song for AW3, like Lynch did for The Return (which confirms Agent Cooper never gets his mind back, pic is Evil Cooper )
He'd do it too I bet, Eddie Vedder is pretty based. Man I love The Return, there's so much influence all over AW2 it borders on ripoff, but Sam Lake never tried to hide that fact.
benis 😀
>It's not sad if it's intentional!
haha, benis
Average Finnish poster
you wouldn't get it
grudugs gruo :DDDD
>hitscans ur benis off
Finn thread? Alright, /vee/. Can someone tell when the GOOD teams play?
Any Finns here? Are you guys really that happy?
No we're generally miserable.
Some of us just hide it better.
>generally
this image inspired me to go take a disorienting nap
thanks, finnbro. Have fun in your sauna
but how does it go?
its more like a gentle numbness
no and that's a good thing
Not that happy, but things could be worse. And they most likely will get worse, so enjoy what you have today
Yes. It's "covertly" being in the know of how fucking dismal things really are and then laughing about it with true mirth.
No, I am fucking miserable.
It's more that general ambivalence towards the state of things
It's dark in here. Also cold. For half a year. Otherwise? Could be worse.
That sounds nice.
>That sounds nice.
Russia is our neighbour.
So what? We have it even worse.
it's more like how things don't seem to work elsewhere
Oh yes, let me play the happiest song ever sung in Finnish.
B-but the statistics...
Oh that. It's because rest of the world has it even worse. Truly miserable people kill themselves here.
when you set you're expectations low enough it's easy to achieve
Yeah. Sorta.
The only 2 Finns I know are living in Sweden and refuse to answer my question on why would they leave Binland.
Great guys with nice sense of humor though.
I'd rather be Chinese than Finnish
what was leaked in the data mine? everything seems to be deleted. doc from control showing up but whats the new ending for ng+?
Alan sitting back up after Saga shoots him. No audio from what I saw, also heard that apparently Darling from Control is relevant to NG+?
but that was in the post credits scene already he also says "its not a loop de loop, its a spiral"
Imagine getting filtered by Alan Wake 2 of all games.
i mean if ur gonna get filtered by a game aw2 doesnt seem that suprising t b h
ADHD-zoomers and culture war obsessed mongoloids getting filtered by slow burn kino didn't surprise me either.
yeah it filtered retards who like it from normal people
the only janny i respect
Jippii, saatana
>Gone like last winters snow! perkle sataana perkele!
>Haha i like how you talk funny river god.
Is this the Alan Wake 2 thread I have no choice but to sit in?
If so I'd like to ask something...
Coffee World was so bad that it initially ruined my entire perception of this game, and the thought of it being GOTY became impossible in my mind...then I got to the nursing home, went through the hospital, fought the new enemy, chased Tor around, talked to Rose, went into the basement, got a fuse, then went into the nursing home...and I had become completely compelled and engage with the whole...just "experience" of the game.
What happened? I can't quite pinpoint what suddenly made the game special and compelling again?
Cofee world and the overlook hotel are the worst parts of the game that feel like knock off silent hill downpour sections.
Yeah. I know why Coffee World is trash. I could write an essay on it. But I don't exactly understand why I'm enjoying the nursing home...the atmosphere feels so thick that the literal experience of the game might aswell be the gameplay itself...but I don't know if that's enough
Because it ties Saga into the plot instead of feeling like an outsider bruteforced in.
The Oceanview Hotel is great, what the fuck are you talking about?
I had a similar experience. It might just be that the nursing home is such a strange and original setting for a video game that it can't help but be compelling. Compare that to coffee world which is just a haunted amusement park, kind of shockingly unoriginal for this game honestly. Also just the name "Valhalla nursing home" is such a good joke I wonder if they didn't come up with the name and work from there.
I didn't like the hotel either. I also kept calling it the overlook in my head too.
>finland
>people there don't have fins
False advertising.
Old Tom Cruise looks scary as shit
Why do people say this game is Twin Peaks? I simply don't get it. The writing in Alan Wake 2 actually has a point, and the characters actually act like real human beings (generally) aswell as the fact that everything to do with Saga is basically almost LITERALLY to a T...X-Files. Like I was watching the show last night and Scully and Mulder were running through the woods FLASHLIGHT AND GUN in hand almost like a 1 to 1 recreation of Saga's entire journey. And they do this shit multiple times. Not to mention the whole investigating and talking to residents thing.
Plus the Dark Place comes across so much more as a Stephen King concept rather than Twin Peaks. In Twin Peaks everything is almost corpeal and real and not real at the same time. But nothing about the Dark Place and the effect it has is like that. Its a real entity, that affects the characters In far more deeper ways.
The Red Room is much more...fuck, I can't even explain it lmao. All I'll say is that Lynch dances on the mystique side, a lot more than the mystery side. And Alan Wake 2 feels more like some REAL world, with some meaning and history. Less spiritual/mystical and closer to almost horror fantasy.
At the end of the day. My conclusion is that Alan Wake 2 is almost completely it's own thing. It's not completely X-Files, nor completely Stephen King. Whatever it's trying to do. I haven't really seen it in large part in any acclaimed or even non acclaimed media. The closest thing I think to it, is that it gives me anime vibes, except If anime was well written and didn't rely on archetypes because the Japanese cannot write real human beings.
Both Alan Wake and Twin Peaks are heavily, heavily riffing on Alistar Crowleys book of the law, old order of the solar temple 1930's spiritualism revivals horseshit about concepts like the black lodge.
Because even the devs say they take a ton of inspiration from twin peaks. Now of course the game takes from other things as well, but i do agree that the game feels like it's own thing, even more so as you progress through the game.
P.S. I really love Alan's levels.
>they take a ton of inspiration from twin peaks.
the devs never said that. stfu. the only thing Sam Lake said is that the decision to boldly depic Cooper's downtrodden return in Twin Peaks S3 where he needed to he built back up to what he was, inspired him to take the same bold action with Alan and start off with him as weak, confused, cautious, borderline paranoid and downtrodden in contrast to his confident determined self from the first game.
show me evidence of any other time the "devs" said they took "inspiration" because even this example I gave, is taking "inspiration" out of context depending on how you read it. He wasn't inspired to take from twin peaks, he was inspired to be more bold.
>the devs never said that. stfu.
Fake fan detected.
I will try not to be mean.
Besides the fact thus barely looks legitimate. If you see here. The explanations for the "inspirations" are so shallow that they might aswell not be tied to any of these. The only one maybe I can see is Hannibal, just because of how unique Will Graham's whole empathy profiling thing was.
On the True Detective note. If I remember correctly, the "occult" murders was literally like 1 or 2 dudes, and wasn't as contained to a single town as the Cult of the Tree.
Fargo, is something I just watched recently. No idea what season he could be referring to, but the first two are the most iconic I think. And there is NOTHING remotely like that in ANY of Alan Wake 2 like at all. I'd argue Fargo is almost a character study first, and then some gang related shit after. Also there's nothing remotely like Malvo.
Also Twink Peaks SEASON 2 is sighted??? Season 2????? Maybe you could cope about season 1, but season 2 isn't remotely like Alan Wake 2, what similarities are there to even draw beyond being in a small American town? And even then the town itself doesn't even get that much focus in AW2, it's almost entirely everything on the outskirts or around the forest. Which when considering that. It feels more like X-Files to me than Twin Peaks because it was about 2 FBI agents going all around america to small towns investigating odd murders and disappearances.
How is X-Files, the most OBVIOUS and closest similarity, the one left out?
And regarding Midsommar...I never watched it, so can't really comment.
Even here, they barely elaborate on what that means. Atleast with the general quote I gave regarding what Sam said about Twin Peaks inspiration, you can actually understand a motivation and formulate a connection to what he was "inspired" by.
There was a lot of buildup in True Detective to a sprawling cult with people of power involved.
Then the final dude in the finale is some inbred guy in the woods and his buddies.
It's just because the devs want to get cultural acclaim via Lynch's name tbh.
The games are not Lynchian at all. It is a pastiche at best.
>Besides the fact thus barely looks legitimate
https://twitter.com/TimePirateNinja/status/1721909846402854997
Keep trying anon.
>Keep trying anon.
I like how Ganker constantly does this dumb shit where they only respond to a very small sliver of an argument and nothing else and then act as if they've gotten some kind of own or dig.
But at the same time, the fact that anyone would respond like this and think it an appropriate or even remotely valid response, probably indicates they barley possess enough self awareness for bringing this to attention to matter.
In which case I'd rather you just not engage with me at all. I have a very hard time talking about anything in depth with children, and don't try to have this type of conversation with my little sister because I understand she doesn't have enough knowledge and context about how to engage in certain types of conversations to do so satisfyingly. I love my sister tho, but don't love you, so please don't respond again.
How are you doing today Alan Wake schizoposter?
Tbh he seems the most sane and analytical in this thread because he properly assesses things. It's pretty ironic to call him the schizo.
based rando. I've been noticing that a decent amount of people in secret actually like my effort posts and think I'm right 90% of the time. I've had atleast 4 people other than u tell me I'm right, which is more than you can ever expect on this shit board.
I will try to keep at it, as much as I can be interested to.
Unfortunately he's completely deranged. He's a regular in these threads and if you fall for the bait of replying reasonably to him but he just disagrees with you he writes long grandiose narcissistic posts where he misidentifies logical fallacies, uses "begging the question" incorrectly multiple times in the thread, and exhibits at least 7 of the diagnostic criteria for narcissistic personality disorder.
151 words 831 characters while saying absolutely nothing. Very impressive.
You lost, nagger. Shut up and move on already. No amount of wall of text spam is going to change the fact that you are objectively wrong according to the devs.
This is an enormously frustrating post
yeah, that's just how the truth be like sometimes
yeah, that's just how the truth be like sometimes
>get absolutely and unequivocally BTFO with plain unarguable truth
>proceeds to post a waterfall of text in denial
Mentally ill. Seek help.
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Not a regular, but damn are Alan threads always like this?
There is an Anon that has attached his entire identity to this game and has a meltdown over every criticism.
Remind him that the jumpscares were lame and he will have a meltdown about the lore.
>the jumpscares were lame
I'm not him, but I thought the jumpscares were fine, they really aren't as egregious as other games and they helped sell the atmosphere. With Cynthia they went so overboard that it became funny. The goofy grandma from the first game jumpscaring you every other step is such a ridiculous concept and I'd be hard pressed to believe that they didn't do that on purpose.
Well that's why I thought they were stupid. I played with headphones and I got a legitimate migraine from the constant screaming. It wasn't scary, it was obnoxious.
SHOW ME THE CHAMPION OF LIIIIGHT
AND I'LL SHOW YOU THE HERALD OF DARKNESS
I like to say gibberish like "perkele perkel" when I mock mexicans talking in spanish.
>Old Scratch, Satan, our Savior
What did he mean by this
Ahti is a river god mostly forgotten in a pantheon mostly forgotten, he remembers the old folklore as old friends which is why he calls the Andersons "my rowdy northern cousins". Hes talking about things from a very different pre roman christianisation perspective.
whats even the point of saga retarded mind palace
>walk into room
>saga: hmmm locked computer, password must be nearby
>look around the room for clues
>saga: hmmmm those look like clues i can use to find the password
>okay i guess i can either solve the puzzle myself or put it on the board and i get the answer?
>have to slowly put shit on the wall and near stupid comments
>finally put every clue
>saga: aha! i got it! the password is somehwere in this room!
too bad it was almost done with the game when i realised i don't actually have to do this retarded minigame unless the game forces me to (and it just forces me to do it near the end several times in a row).
it also tries to load whole room every time i open map and lags as shit.
It's just an interactive quest log that is supposed to be a novel way of building character by showing you Saga's deductive and introspective processes firsthand I guess. The non-bullshit answer is that they obviously had the idea of the Dark Presence invading Saga's inner sanctum first, and then built the mind place concept around that idea haphazardly.
It made me think they saw evil within, said "wow kewl" and copied it without thinking much.
>The non-bullshit answer is that they obviously had the idea of the Dark Presence invading Saga's inner sanctum first, and then built the mind place concept around that idea haphazardly.
The "non bullshit" is retarded Ganker tier schizo conspiracy, because the mind place literally permeates the entire story and is a fundemental aspect of it, and that's not remotely how game design works. But Ganker is genuinely retarded and mentally ill so they'll constantly project their ignorance and perception as matter of fact.
>too bad it was almost done with the game when i realised i don't actually have to do this retarded minigame unless the game forces me to (and it just forces me to do it near the end several times in a row).
that's your fault. not surprised Ganker is this retarded tho with how 90% of threads on this board are.
>whats even the point of saga retarded mind palace
The point is fairly obvious if you're not a retard. Not sure it's worth explaining when retards can just conjure up a "non bullshit answer" to satisfy their feelings whenever they want because this place is actually schizo tier and just believes whatever they want with no grounding in logic which is why the board is constantly shit.
But if anyone here wasn't retarded and actually paid close attention to the dialogue, there are moments and instances in the story where Saga will express a distinct excitement to engage with and solve the mystery. They made a point to emphasize this. THIS knowledge, along with some of Remedy's expressed intentions with the character, the fact she's an outsider character, and the fact that she mirrors Wake...the writer...tells me that she represents the "Detective" also called...the "theorist" She is supposed to represent the type of fan that loves collecting information to piece together the mystery of stories.
And the case board is simply a gameplay manifestation of that which acts as characterization for her, and to tell/engage with the story.
The Alan Wake schizo posts again
>And the case board is simply a gameplay manifestation of that which acts as characterization for her, and to tell/engage with the story.
Yea but gameplay wise it sucks and serves no purpose except for literally one time at the end of the game. Right from the start when i saw that there's whole room for me to walk around in i waited for when they gonna do the "its time for spooky in what you thought was spooky-free area" which already falls apart because right at the start they say "game not paused when you're in this room so watch out!" so you never actually get comfortable being in it anyway.
And yea profiling just stupid, i guess its better than "audio logs" in control (which you have to sit and watch in the menu and not while playing) but thats a low bar to pass anyway. I also didnt like that they way they present profiling is obviously some mystical psychic mind reading bullshit but saga is all surprised later to learn it was more than just "good intuition". Also a lot of stupid filler where she repeats the question you just read on a piece of paper, and after profiling ends she repeats and summs up what you heard literally seconds ago.
>Yea but gameplay wise it sucks
No it doesn't. This isn't an argument.
>and serves no purpose except for literally one time at the end of the game.
No, it serves a purpose...to engage with the story through gameplay. Don't know what you're talking about, but I have a feeling you're one of those small minded retards that thinks only their conception of things applies to videogames.
>Right from the start when i saw that there's whole room for me to walk around in i waited for when they gonna do the "its time for spooky in what you thought was spooky-free area"
projecting your meaningless expectations onto something and then getting mad when they're not met probably has to be one of the biggest indications of genuine and unadulterated mental deficiency. your problem. not the games.
this ENTIRE time, you have been complaining about the game for being the way it is and you simply not liking it. You haven't bothered to try to actually make a point about how anything actually results in any probable qualm or lack of substance, coherency etc.
let's see if you do by the end.
>And yea profiling just stupid, i guess its better than "audio logs" in control (which you have to sit and watch in the menu and not while playing) but thats a low bar to pass anyway.
I think it's just a quirky way to depict a character having supernatural powers. But I agree for the most part.
> also didnt like that they way they present profiling is obviously some mystical psychic mind reading bullshit but saga is all surprised later to learn it was more than just "good intuition".
I mean, it's not TOO much of a stretch to call it "good intuition" at first, if you consider the first time it's used, against those black kids. if you're following the conversation, they're obviously hiding something. The absurdity obviously comes from having any idea what they're hiding. And then the Nightingale heart thing is also absurd. don't know how to feel about it. It's just part of the story
>>saga: aha! i got it! the password is somehwere in this room!
Another thing to consider here is that the point of the case board in this specific case, was to literally just gather all the information and connections in one specific space, so you don't have to go around back and forth in the room and keep those connections in your head. Also Saga gives a comment when reviewing the "evidence" that's a very important nudge in the right direction of how to write the password. It's first purpose is the purpose of a real case board...to keep track of connections so you can formulate an understanding of something.
When Saga says "The answer is in the room" As awkward as it comes across, it's just a way for the game to tell you that you have all the information. You just need to put it together properly.
Focusing on the dialogue is weird to me, because even here the board serves a clear purpose, that is also obviously optional, and I didn't even end up using it once I put it together because I was too lazy to go into the case board and thought I remembered everything anyway, which is good. The board allowed me to stimulate my memory and make those connections. Almost similarly to how quizz cards, test questions, and actually writing down notes yourself have been proven to.
The mechanic is good. My personal problem is the fact that it doesn't even get used that often, and often gets shafted in favour of the profiling mechanic that's just a glorified cutscene that admittedly wouldn't work unless it existed in the mind place, but I still hate it. My favourite parts with the case board were in the beginning when you had to put down a lot of information at once and get some perspective on how Saga sees this information, and my other favourite moment is when Saga refuses to put the "Logan is dead" Newspaper on the board.
Saga is supposed to be the player (well an enthusiastic fan of Alan Wake that likes to make theories)...but she's still a person in the story
I got a T-posing Alex Casey bug
Casey's animations seem to be quite volatile. I had his walk cycle go nuts early in the game.
Will Alan keep the leather jacket or thats too insensitive.
In any case: Persona 5 is a more Nietzschean work than Alan Wake 2 is a Lynchian work.
Is Persona 4 Lynchian?
No, it is also Nietzschean tbh. Most JRPGs (aside from Western influenced devs) are Nietzschean.
.......Jaako?
I carve down my plot, I write with your blood
I created this world, but first came the word
This hit me pretty hard. I loved their commercials and how much the two of them worked to restore their dying town.
Alice's "death" also got to me, but got immediately swapped with incredulity when I learned what her retarded plan was. If she didn't fake her death then Alan would have never gotten possessed by Scratch and nothing bad would have happened, what the fuck
I didn't feel anything because the game was really forcing me to care about her and watch her stupid movies. I can't even remember her in AW1, whe was like non-existent character that was just a plot element for MC so we didn't learn much about her, and in 2 she just appears in those videos that not entertaining to watch in the slightest and grind the gameplay to a complete stop until you sit and stare at them.
And yea the "death" and really every video only makes sense if it was dark place gaslighting Alan, but it's not, so dark place somehow could affect her despite being far far away from the lake? Maybe shit would make more sense if the game was finished and not stopped halfway through and we got an explanation for what actually happened.
These guys had incredible facial animations every time you see them
don't understand how they look so good and Alex is so stiff en weird looking the entire game
Sam did the mocap himself, he probably autistically wanted him to only look like a tired old man. It's funny because the fictional Casey is the only one who smiles.
Maybe they just spend more time on the famous actors animations to get most out of their money
any narrative reason why Saga is black (given nordic patheon in her family tree)? is she Door's daughter?
Yes
Could be mr. hatch. or maybe mr door is actually mr hatch. Who knows
>is she Door's daughter?
I'm tired of this shitty excuse. Door didn't NEED a daughter at all to have any relevance to the story, nor to expand on any lore. A white Saga could have been Tomas Zane's long lost daughter for all I care.
And NO I am not a fucking racist. My point from the get go is that the Saga in the game doesn't need any justification to exist because there is nothing wrong with her being black and no reason she needs to be white. THAT is the implication whenever racist retards ask this btw. The implication that black people need to justify their skin colour and existence while it should just be a given that every character is white otherwise. Fuck off, this mentality is genuinely irrational and I don't even typically care about racist stuff on here.
She's black because that's a characteristic she posseses, just like a characteristic of somebody could be them being 6 feet, or having red hair, or wearing a knitted shirt. No more justification is needed. White Saga was a place holder charcater from when a sequel was never even guaranteed, from a game that isn't even considered Canon, but even if it was it wouldn't matter because she essentially existed in the concept stage, and any creator can change whatever the fuck they want whenever need be. Not to mention that white Saga simply could have been unavailable or uninterested in Alan Wake 2 after years passed.
you could also mention Thor should be black as well you racist fuck
I think you're retarded and either missed my point, or live in a completely different universe.
>Hey, girl. For a Finn, holiday is holy, perkele.
>DUDE WHAT IF...
>WHAT IF TOOK FINNISH PROVERBS....
>AND JUST DIRECTLY TRANSLATED THEM TO ENGLISH SO THEY BARELY EVEN MAKE SENSE xDDD
His whole character shtick is cringe as fuck.
So was the fictitious Cult of the Word in New York just a Law of Manifestation/Attraction Cult that only existed in the story?
Do you think they fucked up eyepatch in live action segments so they had to put a paper explaining it after that
hahaha mämmïïï përkëlë hahahaha voi vittüüü hahahaha sätännäää :*~~)
hahaha 😀
Bros I just got Ahti's cassette player and I'm about to start the ashtray maze what am I in for?
kino
TAKE
CONTROL
you're in for a wild ride, strap in.
You're about to take charge
The best, most kino time of your fucking life.
Game bugged out for me when I went for it so it completely fell flat for me.
Be sure to hang out at the entrance for a while so the game can load it. And don't sprint right at the start.
When did you play it? I just went through this section yesterday and didn't have any issues.
Earlier this week, I replayed the game after playing AW1.
It's just my computer having trouble keeping up with me. I finished AWE yesterday and I had a whole-ass encounter in a major room for a few minutes... that ended with me dying because the game forgot to load Hartman in and the reality slapback killed Jesse.
Thanks bros it's time to strap in with a cold beer and enjoy the ride
Very good game we play it
We don't like digital, AW2 should come out on disc so we can buy it again
>no pretentious playstation movie walking simulator
that' the good start.
Holy shit what up Henry. Thought you were PC exclusive.
Is that Robocop game actually good? Heard FF16 is also piss easy, to the point it sounds boring.
If it's based on Twin Peaks why did they make Twin Mids
what the fuck are those enemies upside down weird enemies in the nursing home? one literally just disappeared out of thin air on me so I ran into a light and now I hear slimy sounds and whispers like she crawling around on the outskirts of the light but I can't fucking see her wtf
Look very carefully with your light on.
What does:
RA KA LEE AHHH
PERKELE
mean?
It was a soundbyte from one of the murder at the mansion custom map spinoffs in warcraft 3, where as the killer you controlled a pitlord.
Its the sound perkolator makes when you brew coffee with it.
Ha, found it. It was mansion murderer
Though they don't actually say perkele it's just texted, though I think it was on later version.
Not completely lost to time.
Says "raakaa lihaa, raw meat
Ah cool that's that age old mystery solved.
What's with the actual praise for this game? I played it for a few hours, got to the reactor area and couldn't have been anymore bored. Does it get better?
>got to the reactor area
what???
Where the fuck do these games come from?
Finland doesn't exist.
WHERE THE FUCK IS THAT DAMNED JUKEBOX
It's right in the central executive lounge area
To your right when you're leaving the sector elevator, just past the security gate, Director/Dumbass
Why are Finns some of the funniest people on the internet? Their macros are so esoteric and absurd and yet so very pervasive in internet culture for such a relatively tiny proportion of the overall population
goddamn, anyone know when you're supposed to get the boltcutters?? I'm in Cynthia's overlap or whatever and just came across a door that needs em
never mind, I literally just got them, lmao I am dumb.
Finns are absolutely batshit
that was fucking legendary
Okay. I just fought the taken woman with the sledgehammer in Cynthia's overlap and...it was fun???
it also made me realize that 80% of the reason combat feels so shit in this game is because enemies are retarded and not aggressive enough. The sledge hammer lady literally stunned herself like twice after swinging at me. If they made enemies slightly faster, more resilient (not hp, I mean they should immediately stop attacking after like 1 or 2 attacks, basically they should have more stamina) and more aggressive. Then the combat could be actually pretty good.
Here's to hoping Nightmare Mode does something about that
I only had an issue with the combat in Saga's sections. Wake's sections made up for that with the behavior of non-hostile shadows.
>I only had an issue with the combat in Saga's sections.
What do you mean by issue?
>Wake's sections made up for that with the behavior of non-hostile shadows.
What do you mean? I'd argue the shadow niggas are the ONLY threatening enemy. I might include the wolves, but their AI can be retarded too, and like I said, every other enemy in Saga's section needs to be ATLEAST close to as aggressive as the shadows can be. But even then, the shadows should be more aggressive too. I remember one time, a shadow dude legit just stared at me and threw black orbs at me even though he could teleport right to me if he wanted.
The combat system is bad without the Wake section shakeups. Looking down a hallway of shadow niggas was always interesting because of trying to deduce if there was a real enemy in there. Sometimes the peaceful ones follow you the same as hostile ones too, I loved it.
Finnish logic peaks through Remedy's decision-making
>add aimbot, god mode and one hit kills in the menu
>no similar toggle for a fucking waypoint
very accessible game guys
>own a trailer park
>have a coffee-themed amusement park and gift shop
>Motorcycle club and a sauna
>locally made beer brand
>wildlife tour guides
Is there anything they can't do?
Is it possible to actually see cyntia while shes underwater?
IS THAT A LIGHTHOUSE WITH A DYING LIGHT
Yes, it's a Bioshock reference
shame what they did to shadow enemies in 2, pretty much non existent mechanic they had to carry over from 1. There's absolutely no enviromental interaction with light against them to the point where they can freely stand and walk under the "safe spot" lights because nothing except player's light exists, and then its only special "biden flashlight blast" that does anything. iirc in first even just pointing light worked just not as good as other stuff.
>shame what they did to shadow enemies in 2
are you retarded? there were no shadow enemies in 1. The fuck.
>pretty much non existent mechanic they had to carry over from 1.
I don't know what you're talking about.
>There's absolutely no enviromental interaction
what the fuck are you talking about? there doesn't need to be. this isn't some pixel game where you can just make up retarded contrived mechanics to warp light. Light is either natural or controlled. You either get it from the sun, or man made creations.
>where they can freely stand and walk under the "safe spot" lights because nothing except player's light exists
what the fuck are you talking about????? where the fuck do these retarded falseflaggers keep coming from??? one of the first things the game tells you is that they can't walk under the light.
>iirc in first even just pointing light worked just not as good as other stuff.
...you had to focus the light in 1 too, the fuck. just pointing it at them wasn't remotely viable.
huh. so the retarded shitposters are back.
every enemy in 1 was an enemy with shadow around them just like in 2, retard.
>. this isn't some pixel game
what the fuck are you talking about
>Light is either natural or controlled. You either get it from the sun, or man made creations.
What the fuck are you actually talking about
You don't understand what "enviromental interaction" means in this context? Heres a picture: theres wood pile, you light it up with weapons or something, there's a lot of light now and it damages everyone around, or i guess its impossible since its not a pixel game.
>one of the first things the game tells you is that they can't walk under the light.
Yea keyword "tells you" because they sure as fuck can still walk under any light and not react to it.
>huh. so the retarded shitposters are back.
yea, you're back.
>What the fuck are you actually talking about
>You don't understand what "enviromental interaction" means in this context? Heres a picture: theres wood pile, you light it up with weapons or something, there's a lot of light now and it damages everyone around, or i guess its impossible since its not a pixel game.
ah. my bad. you're actually too retarded to even have this conversation because you have zero conception of relevance. okay good day. believe what you want, you're wrong. lmao, couldn't imagine being this much of a retard, but if there weren't so many, how could the human race possibly struggle so much for so long to make progress?
>i think the mind place would be improved by having a bit that allowed you to in game write down notes on some kind of white board to work through the puzzles like the math ones for cult stashes
huh. first recommendation I've heard on Ganker that I actually somewhat agree with. I'm sure it'd be kind of awkward to implement, especially since the math puzzles are so few, ontop of being optional, but that doesn't sound TOO bad I think.
dude. Cynthia's boss fight is by far the hardest one so far. why the fuck did so many retards complain about Nightingale? you have to dodge, actual weird homing blurs of Darkness tightly in her fight while taking advantage of every tight opening that she isn't shooting orbs at you.
I'm not exactly complaining, but is there some trick? or were people just lying
i shot her with rifle when she was coming out of the water and the finished with couple shotgun shots, she died in like 10 seconds after i turned the lights on and found her. Maybe she bugged out or maybe rifle headshots that powaful so she was constantly staggered.
>i shot her with rifle when she was coming out of the water and the finished with couple shotgun shots
oh, so you didn't even have to engage with the fight at all.
>Maybe she bugged out or maybe rifle headshots that powaful so she was constantly staggered.
I hit all my rifle headshots, but she still channels the black orbs anyway. Maybe I'll just keep trying and ignore the channeling, but otherwise, she's the hardest encounter in the entire game. Honestly, harder than some RE4 bosses probably.
I can't tell how much of this is just the FOV + the weird screen blur the projectiles cause.
nta
>I can't tell how much of this is just the FOV + the weird screen blur the projectiles cause.
This is the only reason she is any difficult. It was hard to tell what the fuck was going on. I just shot her and ran around a bit to make sure I wasn't about to get an orb up my ass, then shot her again and repeat until she died. I was just randomly exploding before that.
I feel like I'm having a different fight than both of you, or I'm bad, or the game bugs.
This is what happens for me so far:
-Headshot her with the rifle twice or thrice.
-She throws our darkness orbs
-Finally get the hang of dodging them
-Shoot her
-She falls down
-Has darkness shield
-Shoot that; exposes read weakspot
-Shoot that; she's rising again for another dark orb channel
-Shoot again; dodge orbs, she falls down afar
-Starts doing these water slash attacks
-Dodge, Shoot.
-Now she's on ground.
-Runs at me slashing her hand???
-Think that using flashlight will slow her down
-She simply DOES NOT SLOW DOWN
-She keeps coming
-Only thing that stops her is headshots, but when you headshot two times she starts slouching and jerking her head, so need to reposition but...
-She's fucking fast, she just keeps charging at you slashing
-Going for headshots is a risk because if she slashes you one time, your dodge becomes worse because you're low health
-Okay, I will take the safe route and just keep dodging...
-For some reason she sometimes just decides to literally NOT STOP charging at you and slashing.
-I can't tell when to stop dodging to look for an opening.
-I'm starting to mess up my timings because she just feels unpredictable now.
And this is how I died the last time.
No idea what to do. I'm guessing it's just a bug, but to me she's undoubtedly the hardest boss. No other boss in this game has as much dynamism to their attack patterns and type of attacks as her. But I could be bad of course.
This is Cynthia? Sounds like a bug dude, the first phase of that fight was piss easy for me on hard. And I sucked at the game and am a retard.
Nevermind. Just beat her. It was tense and fun, felt like I actually had to dodge stuff properly and aim properly. Nice fight all around. Probably the best encounter in the game. I'm convinced now that she was a bit bugged. But that's only a good thing. Maybe this whole game needs a bug that makes enemies unexpectedly fast and spam their attacks.
i don't even know what to say, maybe try throwing a flare at her at the start or something?
Just ammo dump her.
Hopefully you invested in good weapon upgrades and you use them properly.
It could be bugged, the game is notoriously buggy, but I think you're just doing something wrong.
>Just ammo dump her.
Already beat her.
>Hopefully you invested in good weapon upgrades and you use them properly.
Only thing I invested in I think was:
-faster reload times
-restore health when kill enemy
-two crossbow shots before needing to reload
I will not invest in anything else...except for maybe crossbow upgrades because it's a fun weapon
This was by far the hardest part of the game for me as well and all online advice was totally useless for me.
Once she is on the ground and 'tard charging you she is almost dead, just burn her down if you get to that point.
>This was by far the hardest part of the game
Was it fun in the end for you too atleast?
>Once she is on the ground and 'tard charging you she is almost dead, just burn her down if you get to that point.
Yeah I ended up beating her. Not sure what you mean by "burn her down" burn her with what? there are no fire weapons?
I just meant "don't hold back, go all out before she kills you", not literally use fire.
my game bugged the first time I fought her and I couldn't switch weapons, reload, open my inventory, or fire. The second time I got her in 2 cycles, by throwing a flare after she dropped and shooting her weakpoint with the rifle.
Sex with Jesse Faden
They don't follow you under them but they can still walk under them, they won't go in the rooms/buildings but walk under lampposts just fine.
Its weird, the Remedy-verse makes you want to believe that the Dark Presence is the defacto strongest evil force in the setting.. but the Hiss seem far worse, as just being in our reality for moment caused everyone in the Oldest House without an HRA to be immediately taken over, and their taken forms are far more mutated and capable of all sorts of shit.
with the implication that if they escaped the pocket dimension of The Oldest House, they'd body snatch every person on the planet.. in an instant.
meanwhile the Dark Presence has been doing spooky shit for decades, if not centuries, and has killed a couple dozen people tops, how it even "takes" is never quite explained, nor what keeps it from taking in the interim years.
also without a human mind attached to it, it seems mindless and directionless beyond the want to get out of the strange dimensions in the Lake, and also it seems the reality warping powers are not solely its own, but something seperate.
>meanwhile the Dark Presence has been doing spooky shit for decades, if not centuries, and has killed a couple dozen people tops, how it even "takes" is never quite explained, nor what keeps it from taking in the interim years.
what the fuck are you talking about? The dark presence has never escaped into the real world like the hiss. That's the entire fucking point of the Alan Wake story.
bits of it escape by Taking people
Sam Lake is a retcon abuser as well as a hack hiding behind muh Lynchian handwaving of common sense.
They don't have anything that could contain Scratch. So he's probably up there in terms of power.
>ahti = finnish water god
>alan wake = A.Wake
>saga = fairy tale
>alex casey = solves cases
>emil hartman = doctor
>mr. scratch = Alan's censored named (he edits alans stories, corrupting them)
>characters mentioned in the manuscript all have tragic backstories (nightingale losing his best friend and colleague, saga losing her child)
anything else you've noticed?
A hatch... is another form of Door.
BRAVO LAKE!
that's just because they don't own the quantum break up
Scratch is a better writer than Alan.
Alan/Zane is Väinämöinen
the demigod of chants and poems from the Kalevala. The bikers in Bright Falls even call themselves Kalevala Knights
I've never played Alan Wake or Control. What are the games like? Are they any good?
All I've really seen of them is cutscene clips and some gameplay shots from Control in hardware showcase videos.
>Alan Wake 1
Imagine a Stephen King pastiche where a writer whose writings influence reality runs around shooting shadow people for 10 hours with mind-numbing gameplay but some decent writing and funny side content.
>Control
Imagine a generic red-headed protagonist woman shooting her way through an endless brutalist fractal building while encountering SCP-inspired supernatural objects with middling gameplay but funny side content.
so these devs can't make a game with good gameplay?
they did max payne
Alan Wake 1 is a niche, and AW2 is fad of the month.
You'll only get anything out of them if you're a Twin Peaks/Stephen King/X-Files geek.
Control is one of the most overrated games of all time, but some people love it for some reason (it was feces).
>Control is one of the most overrated games of all time
delusional. Ganker lives in such a bubble lmao.
Alan Wake 2 has more to do with House of Leaves than Stephen King at this point
>writers sister's song plays every wake level
wait...does the game seriously expect me to just walk all the way back to the sheriff station????????
You will enjoy the walking simulator, and you will praise it.
Eh. That's a bit reductive. You could then reduce a lot of Open World or exploration games to walking simulator. Admittedly this game's level design isn't that complicated. But there are still lots of side shit and optional puzzles and collectibles to find along the way. I just personally hate that shit unless it's a metroidvania I like.
a week later i still dont understand at least 80% of the story
What don't you understand?
So is everyone just a character written into a story, what is even real or not, why does Alex look exactly like Alan's character, why was Alan trapped in the lake the second time but not the first time he jumped in, where is Alice, is Alan dead, is Logan dead, what is real lmao
>why was Alan trapped in the lake the second time but not the first time he jumped in, where is Alice, is Alan dead, is Logan dead, what is real lmao
oh God. you cannot read.
did you even play the first game? your first question is literally answered in the first big twist
Most of the things from the real world are real, the things alan imagines or sees in echos in the dark place are made partially from reality and partially fake. Although most of them have become characters written into position in the story, they were not made up for the story. Alex's appearance and resemblance to Alex Casey the character and Aleksi Kesa the finnish actor aren't explained. Life imitates art imitates life imitates art. Alan wrote Departure to leave the first time, Alice is time skipping around the dark place trying to lead alan to safety, alan is not dead, he killed the doubt in his head at the end with the light bullet, logan is not dead presumably cut off for cliffhangers, (YOURE IN A VIDEO GAME MAX)
Alan is simply wrong about writing fictional characters into reality being impossible, because Alan himself is affected by his own reality warping abilities, to him, said characters were always real, because "now they are" post-hoc him writing them.
Alan himself is just Thomas Zane larping a better, more successful life/attempt at beating the Dark Presence, he's a fictional character/reimagining of another person.
>https://alanwake.fandom.com/wiki/Ilmo_Resists_The_Dark_Presence
Hard to say in my opinion, because here it looks like Scratch/Alan is attempting to "insert" a character here, but people can literally resist being a figure in the story, although for how long is hard to say.
I want to talk about it and the consequences of my actions are nil
>Alan himself is affected by his own reality warping abilities
...
>Alan himself is just Thomas Zane larping a better, more successful life/attempt at beating the Dark Presence, he's a fictional character/reimagining of another person.
Literally pulling shit out of your ass. None of this is remotely confirmed you midwit. Holy fucking shit. My bad actually maybe that guy was right to complain about the story. If retards like this that pretend they understand anything understand nothing.
I'm pretty sure this is literally addressed in the first game. Fuck, I wish I could remember an exact quote. But I think somebody asks Alan why he can't just write himself a happy ending and it's because he has to make the story make sense based on prestablished facts and rules of the real world. The entire conflict of the first game is that the Dark Place tricked him and edited the story into a horror story, and now he has to write it in a way that steers it away from that because he can't just literally scratch shit out and start over.
Even ignoring all that. Why didn't Alan just write a happy ending straight up? He was desperate to save his wife and we already know she's his anchor to this world. Unless you're trying to suggest Alan is a psycho that was just fucking around in the Dark Place because it was fun "which would make zero fucking sense for any human being ever, not even a psycho because it means you're fucking trapped in essentially non existence" Then provide evidence for that.
>look how hard I'm feigning aggressive astonishment guys!!
>do i fit in yet?
Alan is too constrained by medium, genre, prose, character choice, tropes, and his own insecurity about life to write a happy ending to a self proclaimed horror story. He'd rather write a half cocked detective story with a deus ex machina abusing psychic protag to save himself, despite being smart enough to bitch directly to the audience when his past cringe rears its ugly head (sometimes literally with the dark place's time fuckery) to ensure he sticks to whatever convoluted script he first wrote. Which is why he has to go to great lengths to write a prequel filled with retcons and extended introductions for characters who ultimately don't matter that greatly in the narrative frame of the story.
Unlike GOD thomas zane, who transcends beyond creative limits and literally rebirths himself through Jesus Christ Alan Wake Superstar and the power of KINO alone.
completely forgetting that it was thomas zane who created alan wake
GOD created Jesus Christ and yet the man still faltered at times in his life. Explain that
also something about jungian shadows, and having to better yourself by accepting the anima and shadow into your own ego makes it make sense in my head. Sure, Wake may be Zane, but it is not confirmed. Nor would it be confirmed that by being reborn would Zane retain his powers as the Lightbringer (which is presumably why he wrote in his own line of succession to deliver his own power in the lamp, to himself). Hence, Alan is still able to falter as an artist since he has not awoken fully to an inner power like Door, the Andersons, or Jesse. However with the help of his own creations he is able to self actualize and defeat his FUD (the jungian shadow) with the help of his wife (the anima) much like zane was able to years prior. Thus he is able to undo even his own death much like Zane does in the motel.
this is the best interpretation of the events of the game/series.
Control 2 will likely finish off this story as Jesse and Alan are both likely needed to beat the Dark Presence fully
>Alan is too constrained by medium, genre, prose, character choice, tropes, and his own insecurity about life to write a happy ending to a self proclaimed horror story. He'd rather write a half cocked detective story with a deus ex machina abusing psychic protag to save himself, despite being smart enough to bitch directly to the audience when his past cringe rears its ugly head (sometimes literally with the dark place's time fuckery) to ensure he sticks to whatever convoluted script he first wrote.
There is literally zero evidence for this bullshit + do you retards not understand how fucking absurd it would be to write a character like this? There's literally zero way to explain this that doesn't come across as contrived and retarded. If it can't have reasonable basis then the ENTIRE story falls apart.
God. I don't know why so many people have hopped on this theory. I think people just like a really easy and simple hand wavey explanation for everything in the story they don't understand so "Alan can actually write and do anything, but he doesn't because he's just bored with life and prefers chilling in the Dark Place unable to do anything but write and be tormented for 13 years haha!"
Peak pseud. Notice how you provided zero counter argument. If he's wrong, prove it.
>Notice how you provided zero counter argument. If he's wrong, prove it.
......I don't want to do this. I don't want to waste my time on this dogshit godforsaken board anymore. I'm so tired of dealing with stupid people and needing to coach them through basic logical conclusions about how to have a valid argument.
burden of proof. have a nice day.
>I don't want to discuss things on a discussion board
Exactly, you're a pseud. The board will be better off without you. Good riddance.
Alan is stuck in the dark place because it fucks with his memory.
he forgets everything constantly, and there is sort of "two" of them, him writing in the cabin, fully aware of most things, and him living out the things he wrote, who is not aware of "Cabin Alan" or the greater plot.
>Alan is stuck in the dark place because it fucks with his memory.
Okay. But we don't even need to talk about the second game. The "lose your memory" think didn't happen in the first game until Zane helped him escape. He got his memory back in the end and was competent enough to write in a way that saved Alice. If Alan is just fucking himself over for the fuck of it, why couldn't he have ended everything at the moment he saved Alice? We already know that he's capable of having a substantial effect.
And before you answer. Yes. The answer is because the dark place has rules, and just like one rule is that you give and you take. In the case of Alan, the only way he could save Alice was by giving himself...it would just as much follow that a rule of the Dark Place is that he can't just write whatever he wants out of thin air.
He doesn't prefer it, it ebbs at his mind and his sanity. In alan wake 1 he is an anxious wreck of an alcoholic with writers block after his super successful series ended of his own hands and maybe a "mean" man to his wife sometimes. It reads like a self portrait of someone overly self aware like Sam Lake.
The dark place isn't his comfort zone, but by becoming the master of the dark (inside himself) Alan will become free. You can see how an awakened master of art like Zane is able to freely create and edit in a place touched by art like the dark place. Alan is able to do this too, although constrained by the framework of the "writers room". Which is presumably either self imposed or a consequence of his choice of art.
>The dark place isn't his comfort zone, but by becoming the master of the dark (inside himself) Alan will become free. You can see how an awakened master of art like Zane is able to freely create and edit in a place touched by art like the dark place. Alan is able to do this too, although constrained by the framework of the "writers room". Which is presumably either self imposed or a consequence of his choice of art.
Okay but what the fuck is the evidence of any of this shit? This all sounds like madeup bullshit to explain some things people don't understand like Alex Casey. None of this like Zane being able to "freely create" is remotely established. Plus are we SERIOUSLY ignoring how fucking insane it is to suggest that being trapped in a void of nothingness, isolated and unable to do anything you enjoy...for THIRTEEN years, when you have a way out (according to you)??? Like do you guys not understand how much isolation and lack of ability to pursue happiness fucks people up?
For this to be justified, the game would have to explain this away SO eloquently. And don't start with that "He loses his memory" bullshit. Like what the fuck man? How is he ever able to write anything at all that effects the current game then? Obviously he CAN write. Which means he should be able to write himself out instantly, and he should be desperate enough to by now. Maybe the awareness of time doesn't exist in the Dark World. But I'm pretty sure that girl infamously locked up in her mothers attic or whatever didn't have a sense of time and still got fucked up. Time still moves on. It's not like Alan stopped aging.
who wrote the entire plot for the game Control, likely he's been writing constantly but just keeps looping back.
>who wrote the entire plot for the game Control
yeah, but if anything that proves even more that he can't just write characters into existence since Polaris existed with Jesse before Alan ever would have been trapped in the dark place.
do you honestly think the entire plot of Ordinary sounds even remotely real, even for shit the FBC investigates? its so wild even to THEM.
some measure of all that was absolutely nudged by Alan/Zane.
>some measure of all that was absolutely nudged by Alan/Zane.
My entire point is literally that all Alan and Zane can do is alter and change circumstances, events, and maybe switch cause and effect a little.
eh, they can do more than that, the Clicker is likely the strongest Object of Power in the entire franchise.
OOP's break reality, and the clicker more than any of them.
He's not in there by choice, the dark place is as simply understood as depression of the modern kind. Alan is sad with writers block after alex casey because Sam Lake was sad with writers block after he could not work on Max Payne. You have to begin to read the subtext of the work and not the literal poorly done horror. Writers cannot simply "finish" their work, every single writer ever presumably edited or changed or threw out some work before.
Alan and Zane interact through a film strip on a reel in alan wake 2, of which you can literally see and hear edits, cuts, and other film work. When he is shot in the head, Alan is ejected, but the work continues after, showing you that the bullet wound was never there to begin with.
will continue this in the next thread when I finish the game.
In the meantime. Did anybody else get stumped by the puzzle for the shotgun in the sheriff's office? Also why are all of Saga's optional puzzles so much harder than anything in the main game? that feels so stupid and backwards
that is just a number iteration puzzle, its math for 12 year olds.
What do you mean continue I finished the game this morning
did you miss the "I" or what? you're lucky I haven't immediately dismissed you for your poor reading comprehension.
Yeah, what are you continuing? My posts?
....
that's obviously not the hard part retard. it's figuring what the fuck the game wants you to translate into numbers
Yeah, it was annoying to figure out which books to use.
I figure "Part 1, 2, 3" denote the order of the combinations once you find the letters. But I can't for the life of me figure out what letters I'm supposed to use
>This all sounds like madeup bullshit to explain some things people don't understand
Besides, alan DID write that he escaped. He just can't instantly write another truth about escaping now because it suits him at the moment, not without scratching out previous work that he lol forgot about. When he tries the dark place sends another confused alan to walk down the hallway and shoot himself in the head.
ALan's entire life is just something Thomas Zane made.
Alan can fucking re-write reality as long as he's in the Dark Place, though there are strange limits, and the more he writes, the more the Dark Presence can fill in the blanks to do heinous shit.
Alan pulls Alex Casey (almost literally Max Payne, changed for reasons of not owning the OP) from his novels and makes him real, when he does this, they are and were always "real" now, IE, his reality warping extends into the past.
Alan himself may or may not be a fictional character himself, created by someone who essentially went through the same thing as him in the 60's, but its more and more likely that him and Thomas Zane are functionally the SAME person.
to sum it up, Alan is using his ability to write reality to escape and defeat the dark presence, he is incapable of doing this, because the DP is also "in" him as Scratch who is just unknitting the sweater of reality Alan knits.
I thought Alex was actually real person who just coincidentally was the same profession as Alan's character so he got dragged in
Nah, it's how the dark place works. The whole reason Alan has the clicker is because Thomas Zane wrote that Alan's mom gave it to him, Alan did the same to Casey.
lol no.
Alex Casey is a reality warped character and is somewhat aware of it, listen to the things he says to Alan.
>listen to the things he says to Alan.
I cant remember much, are you talking about "real" casey or dark world casey?
Real Casey berates Alan for fucking with reality.
why the fuck are you guys spoonfeeding this retard? these questions are LITERALLY answered in the game multiple times, either through the case board or by Alan himself.
You can get multiple instances of confirmation that Alan can't create something out of nothing. Aka he can't write characters into existence.
If bro can't have basic reading comprehension then it's worthless just telling him.
it's like the "teach a person how to fish, don't just catch the fish for them" saying or whatever.
You're a clown. The guy was confused and had genuine questions, there was nothing malicious in it.
You're a pseud.
>You're a clown.
I don't care what you think I am. The fact that this was all you had as a response just proves my point further retard.
>The guy was confused and had genuine questions, there was nothing malicious in it.
God. Everyday I come on this board I'm proven time and time again why the human race is so fucking retarded and gets "tricked" by misinformation and other forms of obfuscation constantly. If the only way you can engage with anything is by throwing out shallow adhoms that reaffirm your view to make you feel better than don't at all. It won't change the fact that I'm right. Just retreat to your delusional bubble of a world. Not everything needs to be fucking "malicious" to be corrected retard. Fucking hell I can't believe I'm even trying to explain myself to somebody that could be retarded enough to even imply that.
Infact 90% of misinformation ISNT malicious or it wouldn't spread so easily. I don't need to believe that somebody is the next coming of Hitler to correct them on the notion of 1+1 being 11. KYS and never respond to me again. Worthless ape.
>AW2 shizo rages about misinformation
You're an actual certified retard. The guy was doing the opposite of "misinformation." He was trying to inform himself on a story he was confused about. I'm sorry you think you have a big brain because you played and loved Sam Lake's latest feces, but the truth is you are Dunning-Kruger personified.
but he can, because Thomas Zane created Alan who is also Thomas Zane.
Alan was writing his way out of the dark place, then he ended up at the beginning of sagas story. Saga found wake, then solved the mystery for herself before fighting scratch and being thrown into the dark place where she then shoots alan/scratch in the head.
Alans events however did not play out at the same time as Sagas, even though they echo each other and even connect at different points. Because of dark place fuckery, also there is a magical Black and quanTIM BREAKer and the funny finn who got dragged in from their other games.
First one was a campy Stephen King-inspired adventure.
Second one is more avant-garde.
Nobody played Control.
Alan Woke 2 was a flop.
Dead dev.
Is Alan Wake 2 also like Control where you have a map you can explore around?
>explore around?
explore? in control? the fact that everything was so railroaded was the most disappointing part of the entire game. if exploration was organic, and felt natural then the game could be a legit 9/10 at the very least. God. I actually wrote an essay on so many things that could make the game a masterpiece. Despite coming away ultimately giving the game an 8/10. I think Control is the game (series) with the most possible potential in the last decade.
Realistically, how would you get a job at the FBC?
Either have a government job with a high position or stellar record and come into contact with the paranatural, or have a natural affinity for it
The game makes it seen the job is miserable and the pay isn't great either. I was thinking they literally announced position on the paper and hire any retard who can keep their mouth shut (who's gonna believe you anyway)
I wouldn't be surprised if they fish for low ranking personnel now and then due to the nature of the building and its propensity for voreing employees.
Pass the Gunnar's psychological assessment. Except the twists is you have to be neuroatypical instead of sane.
Probably some office drone that does reports or some other excel bullshit. Then one day after begging for a long time to work with aliens get a very important job of cleaning the cell of "scp-445566" codename "piss shitter" who pisses and shits constantly and someone has to clean it up. Not even a chance of horrific death to free from this bullshit (and bullpiss).
Present my theories and findings on paranormal topics.
Anyway, are you enjoying your stay in the House of Zane?
>NG+ spoilers got leaked
Alanbros... It's not looking good...
wdym? The ng+ video scenes looked promising, do you mean some other leaks?
Who's Tom.
Tohm
Ahti game when?
What kind of Easter egg to Alan Wake and Control are they going to slip into the Max Payne remakes?
Noir York City/Address Unknown will look like the Dark Place and Valkyr overdoses will reference Alan's writing him. Control is tougher, but maybe the ashtray makes an appearance before Max stops smoking.
Why is Alex Casey real and trying to kill me
He resents his writer making him popular and abandoning him
Dark place? More like the Dork place!
>replay Alan Wake 1
It never occured to me how Alice was a fucking bitch for signing up Alan to a shrink without his knowledge when it was meant to be a nice little getaway for him to not stress about his writing.
whattever happened to Alice. And why did they retcon that Diner chick, Rose? want she catatonic after the Dark Presence touched her in the second game.? She even lost the ability to speak?
>the second game
sry , the first game.
Pretty sure Rose was always fine afterwards when the Dark Presence released her. Hell the ending has her standing in the street holding a lantern. Her replacing Cynthia isn't that odd.
Hartman sold himself as a therapist specializing in guiding people out of creative droughts. For Alan it was his writer's block after finishing the Alex Casey series
alice didn't know that he was using his patients to resurrect barbara jagger, the woman he loved
I'm aware Alice didn't know Hartman's real intentions, just that luring someone somewhere under the pretenses of having a nice holiday to forget about your problems to then try and stage and intervention and telling them you're going to a shrink is a dumb and shitty thing to do.
Can someone explain this fuck to me since I didn't play Control? I understand he's a paranormal janitor or some shit but what's his deal?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahti
Why is a Finnish sea god mopping floors?
the Old Gods seem mostly bereft of power or responsibility.
>I understand he's a paranormal janitor
That's it. But people love him because he is le quirky.
I am vomit.
he's a Norse God.
there are other Norse Gods in the setting, Odin, "Tor", Balder who is dead, Loki who fucked off to who knows where.
He's even more mysterious in Control. He knows what's going on. Has no problem with any heavy hitters around. Knows telepathy and can read minds. Is named after a Finnish water god. Could be the strongest character in Remedy Connected Universe. Sings a song called Sankarin Tango. Said song on radios quarantines all sorts of of supernatural stuff. The lyrics are theorized to be his motivation, which is to safeguard the universe and act against disorder, chaos and entropy. Except he's tired and wants to take a holiday in Watery, so he pushes the work on you the player.
In AW2 it's muddied a lot more. Maybe he's not totally overpowered against these mundane things? He can feel anxiety?! Maybe he's a friend of Thomas Zane? Maybe he was created by Thomas/Alan? Maybe he's conspiring with Zane against Alan?
He was in the Oldest House when they found it, in the 60's.
which is around the same time Thomas Zane had his event.
Yeah, but Yötön Yö was made when Ahti and Seine were still in Finland before Zane moved to the States.
It seems to me he simply can't escape getting put in the story through the darkness, even if he's aware of it.
Thomas Zane is God, Alan is Jesus, and the Clicker is the Holy Spirit sorry I don't make the rules
More interesting than the NG+ leaks are the DLC leaks with Darling. I'm really curious where they fit into the timeline since Darling goes AWOL at the end of Control but now is apparently in the Dark Place.
he's an ascended being, he can go wherever the fuck he wants.
the Dark Place is connected to the Seaside Motel like alot of places are.
>people argue over who and what's real, who wrote what, etc.
The truth is that none of it matters, the actual answer will never be as good as your own imagination.
axe thrower enemies need to be permanently deleted from the game
>just finished Cynthia fight
>running back to town
>come across nursery rhyme
>suddenly taken Cultists show up
>was low on ammo already from fighting Cynthia
>actually run out of ammo for the first time.
>get creative with conserving ammo and finish off the last 2 melee cultists with melee attacks
>start thinking "hey that was kinda fun"
>axe thrower bitch dashing around like a retard.
>try to do the same and even time my dodges so I can get to her fast enough
>immediately stops throwing and dashes away everytime last second
>forced to use rare rifle ammo on her
The axe throwers are fucking shit enemy design because on their own, they're not actually REMOTELY threatening enough to matter. So the only way they're "interesting" is because you have to chase them around arbitrarily because they'll just spam that retarded teleport any time you get close or enemy time you point your gun at them for more than 3 seconds. It's fucking obnoxious because it's all meaningless in the end. You'll still kill them. They'll still barely hit you, and the only reason you're not killing them faster is for arbitrary reasons.
It's so fucking dumb and obnoxious. I legit just run past these retards now because there's nothing fun about fighting them. Atleast with the melee enemies, I can mix up melee attacks of my own to stun them momentarily for easier headshot, or even just straight up kill them. Shit like this legit makes me want to stop playing this game and go boot up control even tho that game isn't really better, atleast I feel like a Powerful God that can just toy with enemies freely in that game.
See, this is the thing with having a tight combat system vs a loose one. You have a lot more responsibility to get enemy design right. Why do you think enemies are glorified punching bags in DMC3? Because if the enemy has a meaningful chance to fight back, you can't look as cool and stylish because it's now a fight.
Admittedly I didn't read your whole post, but I agree. They sometimes glitch out and will spam axes with zero cooldown.
does the Oldest House and FBC exist independently of Wake’s/Zane’s art or is it created by it?
Finland is such a terrifying place
Alan Wake can rip off Twin Peaks all it wants but its soundtrack will never be close to Twin Peaks. Only Silent Hill 2 comes close.
Alan Wake 2 oli ihan jees, mut oisko teil äijät jotain jeesiä mun peräpukamiin? Sattuu koko ajan niin vitusti. Auttaaks joku rasva tai jotain?
täh
>mfw a dark presence fills my pants
There's no way Finns are real
They are most likely some kind of cryptids
>bad name
KEK
oh god, you're reminding me how dogshit this show was and how inferior it was to x-files. I don't understand how the character writing was so cringe and contrived. her rant to Lance Reddick about thinking her emotions help her with her job and woman are unfairly complained about for that or whatever made me stop
jesus christ just have a nice day already
????
commit suicide
why the fuck do character fucking swear so fucking much in this fucking game? like the fuck??????
it throws me off so hard when I'm hearing FBI agents just swear for the fuck of it, of FBC retards, especially that retard esquez or whatever telling me "didn't I tell you to fuck off haha, we can't totally banter like this because we're friendly and this isn't a serious situation at all"
Just feels so superficial to me. Throws me off so hard. Like I legit tuned out her dialogue because of this. Is something wrong with me? or what
finns who watched too many american shows
At times I feel like characters speak like direct mouthpieces from the author, with cadence that matches alan's vocal performance or the exact lines he writes in the novel. Still desperately needed a pass to tone down some of the robotic swearing and phrasing even beyond the meta lampshading (if it was intentional).
he who is painting barn red is doing new coat of paint ha ha ha (perkele)
Which one is real, Tom Zane the poet or Tom Zane the director? Why do the Finnish characters all call Alan "Tom"?
I'm trusting AWAN Alan saying that those touched by the powers can sense changes and therefore Cynthia is the most uncompromised character due to not being a central target of the story's fuckery. She says Zane was a poet, he was a poet.
Jesse also says that he is a poet. Presumably her connection to Polaris is preventing the Dark Place's fuckery from affecting her.
I just don't understand where Zane the director comes from.
It's true and Alan says it too, but him and Jesse are protagonists in the middle of the shitstorm, so they aren't quite as reliable as Cynthia to me, who could've narratively been misled due to not having plot armor, but wasn't.
As this guy
points out, certain people have been said to be resistant to reality-fuckery. In Control, Darling says that parautilitarians have a natural resistance to these kinds of changes, so Cynthia and Jesse Fayden both remember the original Poet-Zane. This is where we're out of hard facts and all I have is my own conjecture:
Poet-Zane's place has been usurped by nu-Zane, a finnish film maker who suHispaniciously has Alan's face. I believe nu-Zane is Alan Wake writing himself into taking the place of Poet-Zane, by making it so that Poet-Zane was just one of nu-Zane's fictional characters, like Casey is to Alan. Why he did this, I'm not sure; he might have done this to help his own Initiation, by following the Hero's Journey and having his nu-Zane be his own "brother" to check that "Battle with the brother" part.
But the case remains we don't know yet.
But then why would the Finnish characters call him Tom, especially Ahti? Ahti seems pretty much omnipotent in Control and AW2, so is this to help Alan turn into Tom or something? It's just weird that he would call Alan a different name to his face when there is no way in hell that Ahti is getting affected by anything The Dark Place is doing.
Nahh. Finns are just very potent magicians or cryptids and can do whatever the fuck they want without cosmic interference
Ahti probably sees Alan just playing the same role as Tom and to him he's just him fucking with himself. nu-Zane is finnish, so he probably calls Alan Tom only because of that because he's also finnish. It could also have been a deliberate choice from the author to hint to the audience (us) that Tom and Alan are the same person.
honestly, the Finnish characters are probably the worst parts about these games. but I get why they're in it.
He was a poet, that much is sure. It was one of the only thing we knew about him from what he left in his shoebox.
From the moment alan started writing him back into existence, something went wrong.
I think everyone forgets that if there is a dark presence, it must have an opposite. Remember what Tom was like in the first game? Now think about the origin of films.
This might also be a good time to remind people of https://thishouseofdreams.blogspot.com/
>I think everyone forgets that if there is a dark presence, it must have an opposite.
Oh yeah, what was the Bright Presence up to this entire game, aside from lighting up save rooms?
tom zane the movie director is loki, the lost band member
>game gives you an inventory upgrade before you would ever need it practically at the very start of the game.
don't really see the problem? it eventually becomes a problem. I'm on chapter 6: Scratch or whatever and I've only got 4 rows, which gets tight when I'm trying to carry a crossbow, pistol, shotgun, rifle and all their ammo at the same time.
I feel like this game has been pretty good with inventory management and resource management unless you just NEVER explore and somehow run away from EVERY single enemy or kill bosses without wasting any ammo...which seems impossible to me on hard mode with how much bullets everything takes but hey, what do I know, I'm just playing the game
its bad design.
giving you an upgrade to the inventory from the very start means that's how big the inventory should just be at the start of the game.
its completely retarded and arbitrary.
>its completely retarded and arbitrary.
...wait till this guy finds out that videogames are literally made up world's with arbitrary events. that exist to stimulate the player.
>giving you an upgrade to the inventory from the very start means that's how big the inventory should just be at the start of the game.
or it could just be a way to show that the inventory can expand? do you not understand the point of inventory space? I don't even get what the fuck your complaint is because it's genuinely retarded. why the fuck should it be given any later? or earlier? just as you assert that it's arbitrary when it was given, any other time would be arbitrary too. They probably gave it at that point for the reasons I said. Probably because you'd need more inventory eventually, and because it's how they show you that you can get more inventory.
I cannot fathom for the life of me how this is "bad game design" enough for somebody to actually remotely imply is a flaw. Like I said. If you're making the claim that it's arbitrary then it wouldn't matter actually whether you start with that inventory or get it later. You'd still have enough space for the points in the story at that point.
Plus, am I mistaken or do you NOT get the extra inventory space around the same time you can find the shotgun? Can anybody confirm? Can't remember my first couple hours of play.
I'm saying that inventory upgrades should be rewards and feel needed, think RE4.
imagine if, 2 minutes into the game, you get an inventory upgrade in RE4, for free, before you ever needed it.
>I'm saying that inventory upgrades should be rewards and feel needed, think RE4.
but...it is a reward, like I said. I found need for it. It's useful because I get to carry all 3 of the weapons I found on my own.
I think you just mean it doesn't feel like an "immediate" reward. It's more equivalent to a stat buff to how much XP you get rather than immediate damage? That's what you mean right?
I kind of get your point, but I wouldn't go as far as to call it bad game design. It's still rewarding, still useful, it's just delayed gratification.
My guess for part of the reason it feels this way, is because new weapons are found optionally (for the most part) by engaging with the stash puzzles. It's not a curated scripted sequence like RE4 where it's RIGHT there, or you can just buy it. Obviously it's not like all the puzzles are supremely hard, but you get my point.
>fighting wake (scratch) in Saga's section
>he's literally the shadow monsters but stronger and more aggressive
I fucked up and put the medium healies in my quick slot because I had no pain killers. I'm fucked now. I can't get to the light arrays fast enough, mfer just teleports behind me. I will do it tho. I will succeed.
SO YOU WERE DRAWN TO STORIES EARLY ONNNN
I'm gonna have to make a webm of sam dancing on one of those screens
I've had
>MAMA GAVE ME A MAGIC CLICKER
stuck in my head since release now
WELL YES, I THINK IT'S TRUE AND FAIR TO SAY
Prepare for a lot of the music here to be stuck in your head.
i love how nobody cares that this guy is missing
I mean, he was obviously shoehorned for le quirky continuity and videogameatic universe!
so it's not exactly surprising
To the fair that entire section is retarded.
>lets do an autopsy with no equipment
>the sheriff just disappeared into thin air... that's weird
>oh my, multiple cops have been killed by a reanimated corpse
>rest of the precinct: okay, no problem.
Alan was lazy, give him some slack
>>lets do an autopsy with no equipment
there was nothing to open, and nothing to infect.
>>rest of the precinct: okay, no problem.
the fuck are they going to do retard? Casey already called for backup anyway when they got out.
retard.
>the fuck are they going to do retard? Casey already called for backup anyway when they got out.
Ok, go and cause a commotion at your local precinct and see if everyone sits around idly while gunshots go off in the basement.
This is how retarded you are.
>Ok, go and cause a commotion at your local precinct and see if everyone sits around idly while gunshots go off in the basement.
Are you retarded? They're FBI and telling them they'll sort of everything out. It doesn't fucking matter what the fuck they want to do. People of higher designation are dealing with it and they can't do shit anyway. They better fucking listen. Fuck, I wouldn't mind if some retard cop went to try and do...what? even on their own? I legit do not get what the fuck they would even do. The only thing they could do was call for backup, that small as local town isn't suited to do a search for Nightingale, might aswell leave it up to the dudes that have an idea where he might have gone.
>This is how retarded you are.
Sure lil bro.
Yes, yes. multiple cops get killed, the sheriff gets deleted, and every cop sits around in the precinct like nothing happens. Makes total sense.
BRAVO LAKE!
-"Blam blam blam" Jesus fucking Christ you guys killed our childhood friends!
-A ghost did it, it wasn't us.
-Hands behind your head, lay down on the ground. We'll call your supervisors and tell them what happend, the court will figure this shit out based on the evidence.
-Stop resisting you murderers
*Blam blam blam*
The only person with a bullet wound would be agent Nightingale. Police stations have cctv just look at the lights go out and the spooky zombie killing people
It was a joint police station/morgue in a small town with budgetary constraints.
They don't have cctv.
>why don't they react
Watch Twin Peaks, like Sam Lake did. They called for backup and reasonably left. You don't need to see the hours of debrief or the fact that half of the people in the story were controlled by alan. Half of the shitty writing contrivances are because of the meta writing aspect of the game. Alan is literally willing his creation to succeed. People act like stilted characters because they are, when they need to be.
>Watch Twin Peaks
I already did, and it was infinitely more intelligent than Sam Lake will ever be.
>AW is meant to be bad... because Alan is a bad writer bro!
Get fucked
You don't understand, the writing is so complex and nuanced that it's suppose to be bad on purpose. 4D chess brah.
>The rain had come down hard. The pounding the homosexual OP got hurt like hell, and it kept coming.
Sam Lake is a genre writer who writes stilted characters who comment on how stilted they are, and you think that its some how genius. Retard 2nd grader reading level ITT
Learn what lampshading is homosexual. You are a hopeless ESL and an even worse writer if
is the best you can think up in a universe where the tranny janny glowies literally exist. Why is Bright Falls still inhabited if thousands of troons go missing yearly? Why did no one question Alan Wakes disappearance in 2010 if not writing contrivance. Hes not the only person KIA or MIA from the event, see the fed fat fuck.
>retard thinks I am multiple people
first time on the board? you're free to go back to /r/alanwake at any time.
>what happened?
>...
>hes dead!
This is somehow good writing to you, fucking dilate lynchtroon
>he got filtered by TP3
no wonder you love AW2, it's right on your level. enjoy, babby!
>filtered
I am infinitely more intelligent than David Lynch will ever be.
>TP3 is meant to be bad... because Lynch is a sitcom writer bro!
Get fucked
When did I say you were the same person, I said that's your preferred style of writing. Maybe if English was your first language you would understand the difference between you and "I". I accept your concession.
>When did I say you were the same person
Right here:
>if
is the best you can think up
What does "you" mean in your language, ESL troon?
>2nd post isn't even mine
Whats your point fag
Keep parroting me buddy I'm sure it'll win your argument about the game becoming Payday 2
>dumb cunt doesn't understand what quotes are
That was your quote, quoting someone else, attributing that quote to me, when it wasn't me.
Do I need to translate this to your local language?
>dumbass samefag needs to insult himself to continue the argument
ESL, the questions are rhetoricals to show how ridiculous the response is on its face. They are not brought up in universe primarily because of how small the town is, how cloistered the community is, and because the feds are watching. Sorry you need the reddit sarcasm tag to realize /s
Go back to lampshading, bud. Forums are way too confusing for you it seems.
>um aktually is was the proverbial "you"
It's time to retire your message board career. It's over.
>lampshading
This sounds incredibly racist, I'm not going to look it up.
Dare I say... antisemitic.
I'd really like it if everyone cooled it with those type of remarks.
>Why did no one question Alan Wakes disappearance in 2010 if not writing contrivance. Hes not the only person KIA or MIA from the event, see the fed fat fuck.
You guys constantly proof you don't actually pay and remote attention to the story.
>-Hands behind your head, lay down on the ground. We'll call your supervisors and tell them what happend, the court will figure this shit out based on the evidence.
They have zero fucking reasonable basis of anything, these are dudes who are liable to law enforcement, it would have been murder and kidnapping in broad daylight, and there's literally ZERO reason to think it was them that did the murdering.
You realize before you can actually detain you need either reasonable cause, or reasonable suHispanicion, and what the law defines that as (still vaguely) is objective evidence that justifies stopping and searching. Yes, an investigation wouldn't be out of the question, but Saga and Casey could have killed everyone in that station too, and just ran away. None of it makes enough sense to detain them. Plus they've expressed willingness to help in the investigation.
I just don't see the problem. I don't see any basis they would have for stopping them other than feeling and intuition. And that isn't objective.
>constantly proof you don't actually pay and remote attention
English second fucking language
>literally ZERO reason to think it was them that did the murdering.
Lets take a look, shall we;
>last seen with the victims
>out of towners, unknown
>has the necessary means to carry it out
Why yes, it must have been ghosts instead!
There are either so few officers its inconsequential or they were summarily exploded by nightingale within seconds of the shit hitting the fan.
Wouldn't it be funny if Sami Järvi himself would be the one who's defending his incredibly shitty story here.
I can imagine him sitting in a room, decorated with his own photos, banging on his keyboard, with rosy cheeks and foggy glasses, echoing constantly how his story "supposed to be bad, were just too dumb to recognize his intellect".
>>last seen with the victims
That's not objective evidence.
>>out of towners, unknown
That's not objective evidence.
>>has the necessary means to carry it out
Every adult, fuck it, even any child that isn't a baby has the means to carry out any crime retard, and none of the dead police offers have gun shot wounds anyway.
The most you could do with this, is say "can we ask you some questions" and if they decline, you go fuck off and look for more evidence that you can actually pin them on. Also they're not just "out of towners" they're fucking FBI, liable to the highest order. Also like I said, both of them could have killed everyone in the station and ran away. It makes no sense. You need more evidence. And they're people designated to investigate this stuff that already count as eye witnesses that are willing to aid in the investigation. If they skip town, you can call the FBI immediately and GUARANTEE they be found. Otherwise, you don't really have much other jurisdiction.
Go and fire shots around your local police station, and also have people go "missing" in the same timeframe.
(editors note: this is an example, do not do this, retard)
Yeah bro, the cops will totally not apprehend you, and will instead let you go because they have "zero" evidence.
YOU ARE A RETARD.
>Yeah bro, the cops will totally not apprehend you, and will instead let you go because they have "zero" evidence.
I don't know why you keep doing this thing trying to equivocate it exactly to a general context of real life when we're in a town where those two officers were part of a cult that kills taken, and in a town that people are aware of mystical powers regarding the lake, and those same officers that Saga and Casey talked to, know that Nightingale was a taken...
you're a real fucking retard you know that. And every single other retard that tried to imply that the writing was bad because of this one scene. And the fucking notion that suspected kidnappers would...kidnap somebody...then walk out of the front fucking door? Are you retarded? Jesus Christ why do I waste my time on this shitty board. I should always trust that I've thought about this longer than these retards, so I'm right.
go "missing" in the same timeframe
people miss each other all the time, that's not a crime
>>YOU ARE A RETARD
I'm actually more intelligent than anybody on the planet. Ask my mother.
"Sick fucks not just broke the neck and limbs of two police officers but they even put a couple rounds into a corps just for fun... " Said sheriff Johnson two months later on the court hearing
It's more the fact their fucking Sherriff just vanished and no one even comments on it. No one seems to care that he just disappeared and there isn't even a known replacement for him.
To be fair there was probably all of 2 days since he went missing before the game ends. They find alan the night after he gets grabbed and they are attacked at the police station the very next night.
shitty pastrami sandwich.
I loved the little interactions Wake and Tim had. Like two old friends having some fun in the underworld
>Yep... that's just m' crazy wall...
Had a laugh at the way they just brush things off.
He's just your creepily humming bro in a shifting city of nightmares.
>woah so this is why warlin teleported me here, to give you this manuscript
>[game ends]
>nope, still trapped
kek
He was taking it all pretty well, all things considered.
He has snacks and a mattress in his rooms.
>half the town turns into a warzone, and every time this happens the populace magically just doesn't ever see it or its aftermath
>then the power in the nursing home goes out the porch light is still on for some reason
>sheriff gets kidnapped, no one cares
This stuff was incredibly awkward
>inb4 alan is a lazy writer etc dark place
Doesn't stop it from seeming incredibly lazy an dhalf-assed from the viewer's perspective.
Bright Falls Wars
GOTY
>there's 1 janny actively banning people posting pictures of Sagas voice actress in Alan Wake threads for 2 months now
Kek idk if that's based or pathetic
Were you really gonna stab him when he was tied up like that?
That wasn't Ahti, that was Sam
That was some funny shit him busting out of the chair though
I know.
>Noooooooooo! Don't grab that knife over there and kill me with it! You'll be sorry!!
Why didn't thornton and tubby just gut Saga and snap Casey like a toothpick? Why didn't some random klan member from out innawoods just curbstomp her? Why did anything happen in any fucking game?
>but the written explanation in fiction isnt real!!!!
why the fuck are you even playing?
>Klan Members
>in Washington State.
So. I just got to the "This is the beginning of the end of the game" Pop Up. Uhhhh I accidentally clicked continue on that shit I think. But I haven't touched a single one of Alan's sections since the first one...am I fucked? I'm not all clear on this.
No, the game will force Alan sections at a certain point. You wont and CANT miss anything.
you will have to complete like 7 hours of Wake's story to get back to the Saga boss fight