Persona

>unkills Tetsuoka
>unsuffers Tatsuya
>unlocks Door-kun
>unkills Shinji
>makes P3ko canon
>unkills Nanako's mom
>unkills Futaba's mom and Haru's dad
>unrapes Shiho
>"WHAT AN ASSHOLE, LET'S STOP HIM!"
Wat

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >unlocks Door-kun
    The end of the world would happen if he did that.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >unlocks door-kun and also kills erebus permanently

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If everyone were happy then there would be no beast calling out to nyx for destruction.
      I doubt he has power over door though.

      https://i.imgur.com/ylZzSWP.png

      >unkills Tetsuoka
      >unsuffers Tatsuya
      >unlocks Door-kun
      >unkills Shinji
      >makes P3ko canon
      >unkills Nanako's mom
      >unkills Futaba's mom and Haru's dad
      >unrapes Shiho
      >"WHAT AN ASSHOLE, LET'S STOP HIM!"
      Wat

      >>"WHAT AN ASSHOLE, LET'S STOP HIM!"
      Yes.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nobody would be wishing for death if they were all happy, so it would be fine for Door Kun to be unlocked.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He simultaneusly erases Erebus from existance by deleting humanity's collective wish for death.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Humanity would be lobotomized of any thoughts that aren't happiness, therefore no world end. And that's a good thing as it's all in best intentions.

        Nobody would be wishing for death if they were all happy, so it would be fine for Door Kun to be unlocked.

        The collective desire for death is down to the base most instincts of all life, lobotomizing everyone will unironically speed up the process by tenfold.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >desire for death
          >most instincts of all life
          hey anon
          you do know what instinct is, right?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's quite literally how the fucking world works in Persona 3. There is an intrinsic link to Nyx that makes all life desire death in a way that outright defies logic and works much deeper than the psyche itself reaches. This is why Nyx cannot be killed or destroyed, and why Erebus will always return. It's a foregone conclusion that's delayed as many times as it takes because logic and reasoning is what helps defy and prevent that most basic instinct brought about by the connection to Nyx's own psyche. It doesn't work like it does here in the real world. Apathy syndrome is extremely dangerous because without a fucking mind, all that's left is the most basic desire--death. Ikutski wanted to speed things along even further than it was already going. Maruki would single-handedly undo everyone's work and bring back Erebus in record time if the entire world just suddenly one day got icepicked in the frontal lobe.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              i can't really prove you wrong, it's been far too long, but this is definitely overthinking the "collective desire for death" bit
              it's just association with DEATH IS INEVITABLE theme as to why nyx can't be fully defeated, and why minato has to pull a jesus
              in contrast to more vague and abstract concepts of collective IGNORANCE and CONTROL from later games whch end with a happily ever after
              also answer fucking sucks please purge it from your mind, it's awful that anybody has to consider it for any reason

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Anon this thread has already touched how genuinely deeply woven the narrative is with Jungian aspects and theories and this revelation is quite literally one of the biggest plot points in the base game.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                sounds like pure drivel honestly, especially if you intent on interpreting every detail by comparision to jung's works (does that mean that every post-p2 party member is a clinical retard, only able to maintain a single persona? the answer is yes, they are all jrpg archetypes after all)
                too much analyzing for my taste, but even if you are 100% right on the nyx instinct thing, it opens up a massive can of worms as to how the world makes sense at all
                >at what point of sentience is connection to nyx made?
                >is it just humans?
                >why are apathy sufferrers still living (breathing/standing/talking) if brain damage means WANT DEATH is the biggest concern?
                >is nyx a distinct entity from before human collective unconsciousness?
                >if so then how did she appear before humans?
                >if not then why brain damage gives more influence to nyx
                persona games are more *thematic* rather than *technical* so while you could rationalize all of this nonsense, i prefer to say THEME OF DEATH and details are excused with magic

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            NTA. I was personally under the impression Erebus is just a Persona game stand-in for Death Drive, which makes it fundamentally instinctual.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Humanity would be lobotomized of any thoughts that aren't happiness, therefore no world end. And that's a good thing as it's all in best intentions.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That's how you make an anti-villain, anon.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      But the game tries to portray the phantom thieves as right for going against his plan because Akechi is a fag who wants to suffer.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's for you to decide. By all means, go ahead and accept his offer. That's a choice you can make.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why did they give him a thong

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ‘Za Warudo’-looking absolute god.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I JUST REALIZED, IN MARUKI'S REALITY ADACHI PROBABLY GOT TOGETHER WITH NEWS REPORTED LADY AND IS LIVING A HAPPY LIFE WITH HER.
    HOLY SHIT FUCK PHANTOMS THIEVES

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Adachi doesn't need bitches

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Haha remember that time all the bullshit you caused nearly got my daughter killed Adachi haha
        >You're a good friend

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Dojima spent nearly a full year living in the same house as you and did nothing despite how obvious it was you were fucking around in the investigation, he's a bit of a brainlet.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah it's dumb he just constantly drops those suHispanicions because Nanako says something until he gets actual evidence that you are involved by seeing the letter.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >specifically asks why your group keeps coming and going from the electronics section at junes
              >never bothers to follow up on it
              drinking with adachi

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Surely they could of got an old TV in the store room to use and just say something like "Oh Yosuke wanted help" instead of constantly hanging around the TV's all day.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            > did nothing despite how obvious it was you were fucking around in the investigation
            It’s not like the MC was fucking around in the crime scene or in police affairs directly. The only link that Dojima could see was between the MC and people who went missing. But the missing peoples cases weren’t even necessary related to the murders. So what really could he even confront the MC before the letter?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Its a Japanese thing

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It’s one of the most blatant examples of a villain being forgiven for no good reason, with everyone forgetting that he killed two people.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            But he was a model prisoner!

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            yeah two women. Sub humans

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              YWNBAW

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >"He was the best misogynist in Inaba... And he was a good friend"

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The golden anime shows him actually upset about Nanako, but he starts huffing copium and telling himself it was actually Yu's fault for not saving her better, not his for being the reason she ended up there.
          Granted that's nowhere near enough justification for Dojima to still give a shit about him after Nanako outright fucking flatlined because of his actions.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This ugly son of a bitch would have also creampied Yukiko. Joker did the right thing.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >This ugly son of a bitch would have also creampied Yukiko.
        Good. Fuck Yukiko.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Fuck Yukiko.
          Keep dreaming, Mitsuo you attention whoring loser incel.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'm trying

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah but the 8-bit remix of I'll Face Myself for Golden was kino.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You forgot he wants to mindrape a bunch of people to achieve his stagnant, cloy "utopia" and that he arbirarily gets to decide what's best for everyone.
    Also funny that he wants to eliminate suffering when it was his own suffering that drove him to start his research and get where he got.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Also funny that he wants to eliminate suffering when it was his own suffering that drove him to start his research and get where he got.
      Damn, he really is a noble soul.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Or like, a sanctimonious busy body with delusions of grandeur. But then a lot of mental health providers have unresolved issues and traumas themselves. Many of them are hot messes psychologically which makes the fact that he stumbled upon a means of being a Menace not so good. Hence him being the bad guy in this case.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      And that's bad because...?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        because if he removed that sort of propulsionary spark from everyone else in the world, he's kicking the ladder to progress down, Maruki's world will stagnate, nothing will change, because change is scary, too scary for those unprepared for it, like the world population once Maruki's fucking lobotomized them.

        if Maruki never suffered, he would never have attempted his research in the first place, so what happens to the next 'Maruki' in Maruki's own world? that inciting incident is removed from their conciousness and they settle into stagnant, mediocre happiness.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          i'm a conservative so progress is not good.
          stagnation and happiness is better than progress and pain
          and it doesn't matter in the end anyway as when we die we go to heaven so why not let things here be good and even gooder after we die?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >i'm a conservative so progress is not good.
            You're a parody of one. Just because you're a conservative doesn't mean all progress is wrong. Do you really think personal development is bad? Do you really think conservatives in general think personal development is bad?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              i don't really care what other conservatives think
              progress is bad
              it's brought nothing but MORE suffering, not less.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I hope you're mad at your parents for teaching you how to read and write.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >i'm a conservative so progress is not good.
            You're a strawman of a conservative you mean.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That is not what conservatism is. Struggle and people suffering is conservatism. If anything any Utopia is anti-conservative.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >unrapes Shiho
    All the good will in the world doesn't matter if this is the cost of the changed reality.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >unrapes Shiho
    He literally went too far. Shiho being raped is an extremely important part of her character development and now it's all gone

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Unsuffers Tatsuya

    Retard that has never played P2. Opinion discarded.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Cope, the phantom morons cucked Tatsuya

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't think he would have power to unfuck Tatsuya, since Nyarlathotep has the same power as him and just fucks up something as long as some people think about it that way ( rumours ). To completely unshit Tatsuya he would have eliminate all negative emotions and concept of rumour as a whole ( that includes legends, myth, etc. )

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why did they just copy The World's face though

    Why would you do that

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why not

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's lazy, cringe and unoriginal.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Persona was always a Jojo reference

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      because tarot depicts the journey of the fool to reach the world

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      because tarot depicts the journey of the fool to reach the world

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >overcoming death
        doc is canon gf

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Not really. Overcoming Death means *not* falling for her, if you want to go by the terms of that meta.

          Though actually, that turn of phrase

          [...]

          used in the game is a rather clever thing.
          Death - the final 'normal' card of the tarot represents externally enacted change; undeniable and irreversible. (Hence represented by Death.) The Fool represents unwritten potential and through 'interacting with all the numbers', i.e. the other facets of the tarot, when it eventually reaches Death it has unlocked that potential and has gained the strength of character to overcome Death - i.e. to defy the change that fate has laid out for them and to take matters into their own hands. The mark of the World: mastery over one's destiny.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    brainwashing everyone into being happy isn't real happiness and will eventually backfire hard

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    all it takes for his dumbass illusions to drop is for the mc to throw a cryptic suggestion

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Fuck you!

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >This guy gets to decide what is good and what's bad for the sake of all humanity because...HE JUST DOES, OKAY?!
    So what, you think Maruki won't ever slip up and make a bad call? He's still a human.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He didn't for Joker, the phantom thieves and anyone they cared about, so who cares about anyone else?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This is why you’ll never be a Persona protagonist.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You are already living in a world that can fuck you over for completely unfair, uncaring, arbitrary reasons. Any argument you can pull up against Maruki being human and thus being capable of failing doesn't work because of this.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That kinda just sounds like either of us could be right in theory, and that this whole argument is purely speculative.

        Maruki just needed to learn how to unironically cope. You'd think as a therapist, he'd be good at that sort of thing.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    only janny anons will shill for

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >His set up was already falling apart due to conflict
    >Loses to a teenager
    Fool!

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Given how humanity has some form of collective cognitive being trying to fuck shit up every few years, Maruki's world would inevitably generate another one and he'd get btfo.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's the whole point. Maruki's world is entirely impossible because a world without suffering is one where the human soul feels only suffering, because the pleasure becomes numbing.

        Mankind, in a world where you only need to chase your bliss and whittle the moments away with the productions of time, would find the sharpest object in the room, to stab themself in the leg just to feel something real.

        Maruki's world will always fail because he envisions a world where no one has to suffer, instead of a world where everyone has the strength to overcome their suffering.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Maruki's world isn't "everything handed to you in a silver platter", not everyone is rich, there are still poor people by choice, not everyone is as skillful as others since Ryuji is still the running ace.
          Maruki's world may as well be just Japan without social problems, it's not the impossible utopia everyone thinks it is

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          okay yeah but that's just like your opinion man
          i've spent 30 years of my life happily chasing bliss with no suffering, and i plan to do it for 30 more years until i die of a heart attack.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >unrapes Shiho
    Gotta draw the line there

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I honestly don't know why people think his variant of Musubi reason and Law would be a good thing. Hell the only thing that even pushes him to do things is cause of his own struggles in the first place. Also what good could come from trying to undo all the shit that happened if causality(and other demonic entities) can rear it's ugly head and fuck his plan over harder than the PT does.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    *takes the real good ending*
    He did nothing wrong.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >just live in my metaverse forever bro

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      sure

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There's is absolutely nothing wrong with this pic. Even if it's "false" bliss, it still counts.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        For slaves like you maybe. The will of humanity will always break the chains of convenience just as it did when we stopped being the "noble savage" of hunter-gatherers.

        >NOOOOOO YOU NEED TO STRUGGLE IN THE REAL WORLD AND SLAVE AWAY AT A 9 TO 5 TO FIND REAL HAPPINESS

        Happiness is for the afterlife you little hedonist bitch.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >The will of humanity will always break the chains of convenience just as it did when we stopped being the "noble savage" of hunter-gatherers
          Yeah this flowery speech about passion and struggle works in Chinese cartoons and games because you struggle for things like conquest, mastering sorcery, slaying dragons, and apotheosis. I'll gladly take false bliss over whatever useless mundane fruits of labor real life has available. When raising money draining puke goblins is considered to be the pinnacle of an individual's achievements then you know the game is not worth playing.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          There is no such thing as an afterlife. The "afterlife" is the same nonexistence as the beforelife. I wouldn't be surprised if it's just a total reset and you "revive" elsewhere in the universe as a completely different "self" with not a shred of your past life carrying over. As with my life now, the happiness of others means a lot to me, so I want my future lives to be happy. Therefore, I think I'm allowed to ask that I'm happy too.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You've watched too much Marvel and read too many VNs if you believe in multiverse, multiple dimension idiocy. There is only one material reality - the one you are living in now.

            Cope harder with your made-up "resets".

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      With the way our current society is going, humanity will literally beg the machines to add us to the matrix.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >NOOOOOO YOU NEED TO STRUGGLE IN THE REAL WORLD AND SLAVE AWAY AT A 9 TO 5 TO FIND REAL HAPPINESS

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Muh "false" happiness is le bad, I should enjoy being a miserable fuck in a shitty existence due to things out of my control instead

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's always this, without fail. It's always you lazy fucks who are all about "muh out of my control". You just want happiness to be handed to you without any struggle whatsoever. You just want to consume the happy slop and be a burden to anyone that has actual goals and ambitions.

        Marukis world only seems like a good deal for the wannabe godless nihilists who don't believe in the grace and nobility of the human spirit. Perhaps you should reflect on why you'd rather be lied to rather than make any effort towards improving your life. Not everyone is a miserable gay like you.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          holy BTFO

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They hated him because he told the truth

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          If you really were the uberman you claim to be you wouldn't even know this place exists

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Yet you participate in society

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Ganker is not "society", you terminally online loser.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >not understanding references
                >not understanding tu quoque
                >calls others losers

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >the grace and nobility of the human spirit.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Eh, it's not the same

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      weak people like to accept this and maruki's reality. if you think this is ok unironically have a nice day you are wasting oxygen

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      how do u even know u arent in a metaverse already

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Because if I was in some kind of manufactured world where only good things happen, you wouldn't be here.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          maybe I'm in a manufactured world where only shit things happen as punishment for something

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        because i'm suffering

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          maybe it's a suffering metaverse

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's working.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >be me
      >not plugged into the machines
      >cover myself in tinfoil so the robots cannot see me
      >sneak into facility
      >finally can get gf
      Bros… we’re all gonna make it

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The fuck is going on here? Who are you?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Speaking of, if humanity as a whole only live in cooperation with each other with no ill will, does that mean Nyarlathotep would just not exist? If Maruki's reality is crystalized, then there shouldn't be any subconscious feelings that could be part of a Shadow.

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    None of it is real. His persona raped everyone on the planet to believe in a lie. It's escapism it's not healthy!

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    But it’s not real. These triumphs were not made by humanity. Are you truly going to wait around for some god to just appear from thin air and solve your problems?

    Weak.

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >alters perceptions of reality according to his own biases and scope of knowledge as one man
    >retards think this is a good thing
    >every time, without fail, just 'unrape shiho'

    first of all, she wasn't unraped, she simply no longer knows she was, how is that better.
    he is a man who would rather remove people's thoughts of trauma via the most convenient method, it's not a perfect world, it's the equivalent of a global lobotomy.

    Marukifags are so fucking stupid, my god.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >first of all, she wasn't unraped, she simply no longer knows she was, how is that better.
      Undoing an event seems pretty easy considering he straight up revived 3 people, and they were explicitly declared alive and not illusions

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        if they were truly alive and not illusions, they wouldn't go away once the illusion shatters.

        it doesn't matter how realistic they might be, a lie will remain a lie. Maruki's world is 'perception is reality', they were only 'alive' because people thought they were alive.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          How is it a lie if they just never died in Maruki's world?
          >they were only 'alive' because people thought they were alive.
          No, they were literally alive, with their own feelings and personalities which there's no way Maruki could have recreated, it's the only reason why Akechi even wants to fuck up his world

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The people that died are dead. What's left is only the cognition of the people who are alive. Okumura is dead, but the memory (or rather, the ideal Okumura) lives on to comfort Haru.

            How insulting is that? That someone would reanimate someone who you loved without any of their flaws. You're essentially choosing someone else over your own father. You're removing any sort of agency he had and reanimating a phony in his place. Basically everyone gets to live their own little "happily ever after" and never acknowledge or show any reverence for the people who've died. A life of absolute inertia and stagnation. Fuck that.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Haru was going to literally brainwash her father with the phantom thieves, it wouldn't have been any different to what Maruki did

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                pretty sure her dad would end up in prison in the best case scenario
                that's a different consequence to accept than an imaginary happy life together

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >It's ok to brainwash people so that they can admit their crimes and spend their life in solitude in prison repenting
                >It's not ok to brainwash people so that crimes didn't happen and that a previously dysfunctional family becomes a normal loving family
                Actual sociopath

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >it's better to forgive crimes up to and including murder because putting him in prison would make his daughter LE SAD

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >"it's ok to let multiple crimes and death's happen because criminals get put in prison and get punished (nevermind the fact that the phantom thieves's plotline clearly demonstrates that many criminals get away with it if it weren't for them)"
                >"The dozens of victims wouldn't have been mistreated or killed in Maruki's world? No! They MUST suffer or die so that the criminal gets punished"
                Ok anon, you got a justice boner but do you ever think about the victims? Do they really need to suffer just so that the criminal suffers too?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                the crimes wouldn't be undone you fucking retard, people would have their perceptions warped to either think the crimes didn't happen, to think the people who died are still alive, or, most twisted of all, that the crimes that happened to them get recontextualized to be good things.

                GOD, MARUKIFAGS ARE SO FUCKING STUPID.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >"The reality warper that can revive people can't undo events from the past"
                If that's the case then damn perception is a hell of a drug, it can even make Ryuji think that he can run normally with a broken leg

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >the real world has been mixed with the metaverse, making perceptions reality
                >Ryuji has his perception forcibly altered to not think his leg is damaged
                >following this, his own self in this hybrid reality doesn't have a damaged leg

                if it worked the way you think it does why doesn't Maruki just revive everyone who's died in history HUH? everyone's death must have made SOMEONE sad, RIGHT!?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If it worked the way you say then some crazy fuck could just perceive himself as a bird and be able to fly, Maruki's world clearly works on a logic

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                conciously perceiving it yourself would require you to become so deluded that you honestly believe in that delusion, in such a case, that person would literally turn into a bird, the world's understanding of what a 'bird' is.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                even if I think maruki must be stopped, who in their right mind would ever pick the former.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Morgana literally tells you he can feel they aren't cognitions. Not to mention Maruki was going to literally rewrite reality. At that point it would be the actual reality, and it wouldn't be possible to reverse it.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >No, they were literally alive, with their own feelings and personalities which there's no way Maruki could have recreated
            That's also kind of bullshit. They were revived with the personalities THEY fondly remembered or wanted them to be like. Wakaba was very explicitly engrossed in her work, and Haru's dad was very much implied to have been progressively getting worse for years. None of that is present in them, they're idealized versions brought back by how Haru and Futaba wanted to remember them, not what they were actually like. Maruki's powers don't grant him omniscience, just knowledge of people's thoughts. They are not the people who died.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              They were revived and brainwashed, and in Okumura's case it would have been the same thing the phantom thieves did. Also the characters should be the ones to mention that, but again in Okumura's case Haru can't say shit because she herself brainwashed him before

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          basado https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3MkqlOjttI

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Undoing an event seems pretty easy considering he straight up revived 3 people, and they were explicitly declared alive and not illusions
        Only Akechi for some reason.

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >any external intervention by whatever higher being
    >his persona eventually could go haywire like yddblablah or izanagi
    >humanity concioucness would FIND THE WAY to wish for doom
    There was a lot in universe that could fuck his plan over. All of humanity on mercy of one man.
    Never expected Ganker to support communism or man that could alter their minds to be happy to become furries.

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Maruki forces Joker into basically permanent apathy and doomed to sleep his life away in the bad ending
    You retards would probably love that though

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why didn't they put sae valentine in the game? they had the chance to correct this in royal holy fuck

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because if Sae was an option, she'd easily be more popular that Makoto, and Atlus surely can't have their star girl being overshadowed by her sister. And I'm only half kidding. I do genuinely believe Sae would be more popular.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I like the anime fanservice, no kiss but you are lovey dovey with each other.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >date both sisters
        >they confront you on valentines day
        >get the "family bonus service"

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Closest to an oyakodon you can get in Persona

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The term for sister threesome is Shimaidon, you pleb.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because the remaining Makotofags would lose their shit when the better sister overshadowed her.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What could've been: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hGM6O214dg

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        wish those guys would also upload the jap audio

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Stay cucked along with the Shihofags, Saefags.

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why do people still pretend that Maruki's world is a fantasy, when the game literally tells you it's just as real as the previous world?

  30. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    And how does he do it again?

  31. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What should Persona 6 be about?
    Personally, I'd make about how people in power do nothing, so it's up to a random civilian to get right into the crimes and shit

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ganker anons save the world through meme magic and autistic determination

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        isn't internet persona just digimon?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Actually, let me elaborate
      >The Metaverse/TV world/whatever alternate reality is here this time is spilling into the real world via people's delusions and trauma
      >Nobody in power does anything but throw the mess under the rug and cover it up
      >Our protagonist decides that he's going to fucking clean it up at all costs.
      Also the combat would be completely reworked into being more like Dark Messiah/Zeno Clash

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Bring him back.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Once Igor's VA dies

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          He did.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I wonder what the velvet room attendant will be like in 6. We've had the middle sister Elizabeth, the older Margaret, and the youngest Lavenza, with Theodore being stuck in portable and Q.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          A femboy like Catherine's re release.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The persona fanbase unironically can't handle femboys.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I can. God I hope we get a cute boy to date in p6

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Crazy Cousin Earl

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >What should Persona 6 be about?
      Occultism.
      That's what it always ends up being about anyway, might as well start with it.

      Go full on satanist aesthetics from the start, with everyone wearing cultist robes and shit.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      terminally online morons

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      green aesthetic set in the woods/countryside
      90's dub rock and really mellow jazz
      dungeons in a reflecting pool where you can see the heavens and stars
      ability to go camping with upgradable camping gear with your social links for various bonuses

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The governments of the world figure out how to use the alternate worlds as weapons

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Isolation and how a lack of social connections can hurt and warp someone. Not even like incel seething, like loneliness, fear, anxiety, mania, etc.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Adachi already covered that, and it's sort of a motif in Persona in general due to the social link system. Would be timely, though.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I mean in more depth, each boss is a person hurt by some form of isolation and their world reflects that. Like someone who got quietly pushed out of a friend group or someone that was quarantined and grew lonesome but unable to physically interact with others. Their boss forms could be affected by their personal reasoning behind the isolation

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the social dissonance forming as groups become more and more divided via social media outcasting individuals who do not fall into the group think and maintain the facade of belief in the special caste of people that have become the 'upper caste' online, ie they're untouchable and insulting them is a sin

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        the Ganker version of people asking for a gay character

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I don't think that's a very Ganker specific thing though. I've seen people across multiple sites/social media identify that as a growing societal issue.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Persona has like always been about rumors/cognition affecting reality. I say a god who tries to instigate war using fake news, social media and VR to literally make the metaverse real. You enter the internet world to change people and stop him. Or is that too digimon?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I was more thinking "The metaverse is LITERALLY bleeding into reality because of some bullshit. It's far too unstable to enter due to this"

  32. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What wish did Maruki grant for Mishima?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      he became a girl

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      To be railed by Joker. We just didn't get to see it in the transition between days.

  33. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I love how people have to speculate how things might go wrong with Maruki's world, since the game explicitly says it will be a perfectly fine happy world, demonstrates it as such, and the only somewhat valid reason any of the Phantom Thieves can give is Akechi not wanting to be a slave to anyone's whims anymore. Most of the negatives I've seen are headcanons.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I literally don't want a "fine happy world".

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why? Using only information given to us in the game.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          How would the long-term human subconscious develop in Maruki's world. I am talking about in a thousand of years. Human history would literally end without conflict.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >How would the long-term human subconscious develop in Maruki's world
            Considering we're not deluding ourselves into thinking men can become women it's probably for the best.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >perfectly fine happy world
      >a man who's terrified of anyone facing any form of hardship
      >will create a world where nothing changes, nothing challenges, everyone is just 'content'
      >world peace, all it costs is unknowingly being under one man's thumb as he adjusts your reality and thoughts to be the most convenient to yourself and everyone else around you

      >unless you're too inconvenient for him to think you should continue existing

      everyone is equal, except some are more equal than others.

      Marukifags are so fucking stupid that they can't fucking see this, did you even pay attention to what happens if you take his deal?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If it's a perfectly fine happy world then that also means it's a perfect world for people I hate, therefore ruining it for me.
      I'd rather tear it all down in spite to fuck them out of their happiness then know they get to enjoy themselves.

  34. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  35. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >It's another "Christcucks who haven't played the game are going to tell you how Maruki is actually in the wrong using fanfiction" episode
    >It's every episode

  36. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is it bad if I wish Maruki’s reality would happen to me irl? I just want to be happy, not worry about a job, and be able to lay down and sleep. If I could kill myself I would though

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No that's being normal, people that dislike Maruki's world are actual sociopaths that only care about their own happiness

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The longing is natural, I agree. Thing is that only people with ambition move the world forward and people like you should not be the focus of human society, since you are taking away onthologically from the prime movers of human history.

  37. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >So butt frustrated at being called a loser he quoted the wrong post
    The Modern Übermensch

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >more ad hominem

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The turbo loser said, not realizing his argument's entire basis is ad hominem at its core
        It's time to stop posting, anon.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Pointing out that someone not trying because things are outside of their control is bullshit, is not ad hominem. Things being outside of your control doesn't dictate that you can't improve things. You've made up your mind to be complacent in your own misery instead of trying.

          Now, saying this entire argument is invalid because we're on Ganker is what is fallacious reasoning. You've skirted the issue entirely and just want to bring everyone else down to your own level

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Claiming ad hominem isn't ad hominem doesn't make it not ad hominem. You don't get to cry "fallacy" while spouting one after another.
            You made a clown out of yourself by trying to act "tough" on the internet despite being underage. Get over yourself and try again in the next thread. Loser.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You have literally no argument

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You are right. We aren't having a debate, not that you were interested in having one in the first place.
                I'm calling you a loser and you are mad about it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >We aren't having a debate, not that you were interested in having one in the first place.
                We're not having a debate because I was right and you have no argument other than to point out that Ganker is full of losers like you and ergo I must be one of them. It really feels more like an attack on yourself than me but I guess if I were to invoke the art of 12 year old name calling, I'd say you're projecting. Or in your vernacular, "no u"

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Okay loser.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Try going a bit easier on yourself, this is getting embarrassing

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Okay loser.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >other than to point out that Ganker is full of losers like you
                Golly gee mister, that sure does sound like an ad hominem to me.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >redditspace
            Not doing yourself any favors, our intellectual crusader.

  38. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't want to be under the thumb of some fag deciding what's right for me. If other people want that then whatever but if I'm being forcefully dragged into it then fuck him and his plan.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >the only person that matters in the world is me

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        yes

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        that's exactly the position marukifags argue from
        they just want it to happen to them irl

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >this benefits me and the entire world that is suffering therefore I want it to happen
          Quite different from
          >this benefits the entire world except ME
          or
          >this benefits the entire world but I don't like that everyone gets to be happy

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, to me the only people that matter are myself and those I care about. Fuck the rest of you.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Noooooo you need to look out for every other person in the world first, you don't matter!
        Okay commie.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Maruki's world would benefit everyone including you, the only reason you don't want it is because you need to stroke your own ego by pretending you're at a better position than someone else and you can't have that in Maruki's world

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            maruki would erase you to save your aging mother her continued torment

  39. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    birds fly
    why?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I can't remember what his answer was. Because they can?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That was Velvet's. I don't remember if he did give his answer at all. I know that in the end the JRPG writers couldn't deliver on the concept they were trying to sell this game on, and made the antagonist a villain (those two concepts are not necessarily the same).

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I remember him giving an answer at the end, at the final battle. I just can't remember what it was, but it was something simple and kind of obvious.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            [...]
            Wasn't his answer same as shota's, which is why he accepted him? Birds fly, because bird that doesn't fly isnt bird at all, use your wings and soar high. I guess it's supposed to be something about using your potential and stop sitting on your ass. Also it's implied his answer changed after losing Velvet's sister or at least that he gave it a more sinister/cynical spin.

            That was Velvet's. I don't remember if he did give his answer at all. I know that in the end the JRPG writers couldn't deliver on the concept they were trying to sell this game on, and made the antagonist a villain (those two concepts are not necessarily the same).

            It was to embrace the sky?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I remember him giving an answer at the end, at the final battle. I just can't remember what it was, but it was something simple and kind of obvious.

        Wasn't his answer same as shota's, which is why he accepted him? Birds fly, because bird that doesn't fly isnt bird at all, use your wings and soar high. I guess it's supposed to be something about using your potential and stop sitting on your ass. Also it's implied his answer changed after losing Velvet's sister or at least that he gave it a more sinister/cynical spin.

  40. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think it's funny that even with the in general lower quality of writing in strikers konoe was a better 'villain' since he had the same motivations and goals but was just an asshole about it and had the one big flaw of 'fucked up akane' like how in LJ they just brought up that he got sawa killed
    but maruki is the bad guy because...well he just is ok? the game said so

  41. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Maruki proves that the only flaw in Yaldabaoth's plan was aesthetics : all he needed to do was use blue/white instead of red/black and tentacles instead of chains to get free bootlickers.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yaldabaoth's plan was a worse Shijima, Maruki's plan is a better Musubi

  42. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >it was real in my head

  43. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The npc conversations basically show his schtick wouldnt last until he went even more overboard or shit fell apart. Like that one who was infatuated with some girl who wasnt into him and Maruki forces them together. She gradually realizes shit is off

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Wasn't it because his world wasn't really perfected until the deadline? Had he actually finished it then breaking free on their own would be impossible.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Wasnt that kid also treating her more like a trophy at that point and getting salty she was feeling off. How come her desires didnt count for Maruki? He was full of shit

  44. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Maruki's world is just complete stagnation. The guy won't let anyone experience anything that can be seen as painful, like the little girl who had to put her dog to sleep.
    It fucking hurts losing a pet, but that pain can eventually lead into the joy of getting a new pet and building a new bond.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Personal growth is only needed so people can handle hardship. In Maruki's world, there is no hardship so personal growth isn't needed. It's stupid and pointless to have to euthanize a dog when your desires make the dog live.

  45. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Person A wants X
    >Other person goes "I want X and nobody else"
    His plan wasnt going to actually work and if a teenager was enough to beat his ass it'd just be a matter of time until someone or something tore his illusion down

  46. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >refutes Maruki centuries before

    We are living in the best possible world that God can allow while giving us free will

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm sure all the people dying from hunger rape and murder enjoy free will

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yet here we are in the most materially prosperous time in history of our 6000 y/o agricultural civilization. If anything we should respect the former eras for putting up with how human life was back then. The thing is that to enjoy our conform someone had to struggle.

        Everyone wants to be born the rich kid, but someone had to become rich to have a kid that was born in rich conditions.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          what does that have to do with people dying without their choice

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Well, what about them? Did humanity end because such things happen? Violence in the modern world is also minimal.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Violence in the modern world is also minimal.
              Are you japanese by any chance?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No. Even the 3rd world shitholes are less violent that ever. Statistics and the 24/7 news cycle are not the same.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >free will
      No such thing.

  47. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So what happen with him after you defeat him?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      A fate worse than death: he becomes a taxi driver.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Maruki is taking people to a desitation of their choice instead of forcing them down a path he chose for them
        Kino...

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That's deep, man.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Maruki had to be stopped entirely
          >instead of just limiting himself to erasing mental illnesses
          Shit outcome. The result should have been that he properly checked himself where he was needed instead of assuming everyone needed his help.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >The result should have been that he properly checked himself where he was needed instead of assuming everyone needed his help.
            People would cry regardless because it belittles the "struggles" of those who aren't helped by him or because he's brainwashing people without their consent (only the phantom thieves can do that)

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous
              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This but with anti-marukifags, making up a future 1000 years down the line where humans ceased to exist because muh "struggles"

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That's deep, man.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        But is he earing more or less that being a counselor?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          He knows that he a shit counselor now and his true self abandons the job. He failed the moment he did what he did to Sumire. It would be better if he just pulled a Jung and fucked his patients.

  48. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Putting the entire world in the hands of a shitty therapist who cant even handle hardship
    The world would be raped if someone like Nyaralthotep stopped by again

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Kinda bullshit that he has fucking Azathoth and it's not completely overpowered beyond belief

  49. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >therapist who can't handle his own problems
    >Ganker thinks he's the best option to decide what makes people happy because we only see it from the perspective of the main characters who are people he actually knows and would know what they want

  50. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >exact same plan as Isamu
    Nice writing, Fatlus.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      wasn't Musubi a personal autism bubble world for everyone to their tastes? Maruki's is one big boring world for all

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah that's where Maruki went severely wrong. Trying to have the one world for all while fulfilling the path of happiness for everyone is impossible. Everyone having their own bubble where they are happy in their own world without the conflicting happiness of others is the better option. Still shite tho.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Still shite tho.
          why

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Shadows in the cave allegory, the pursuit of higher knowledge etc. etc. are things important to me. I do not like remaining content with my material conditions.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              wouldn't good enough bubble allow you to experience that

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >muh cave
              Fuck your allegory, that cave has some sick shit going on.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      wasn't Musubi a personal autism bubble world for everyone to their tastes? Maruki's is one big boring world for all

      I guarantee there would be no Phantom Thieves defenders if Maruki was creating individual realities for people. Isamu’s Reason/Musubi is objectively better than Maruki’s Unrape.

  51. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >unrapes Shiho
    unforgivable

  52. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There's literally no scenario where Ann would allow Shiho to be reraped.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Except the canonical scenario where she does.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No, she allows her to get raped. After getting deraped there's no way she'd allow Shiho to be reraped.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >After getting deraped there's no way she'd allow Shiho to be reraped.
          Except that she does.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Okay, fair enough. What I'm trying to say is that if she was written competently, she wouldn't have allowed it, because she would literally be the worst friend imaginable. Sure, she sees Shiho working hard to get her life back together, and that in turn motivates Ann. But a competently written Ann would not unironically play into the rape builds character meme and go back to the "real" world.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              If Royal was written competently, the entire final conflict wouldn't take place.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Why would you take a chance to actually live your life instead of being plugged on a happy thoughts matrix

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't see how Shiho not being raped and not trying to suicide would stop her from living her life, she didn't become a millionaire overnight

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Morgana is fine with being a cat who will never fuck Lady Ann
      Ryuji is fine with becoming a wage slave with fucked up leg
      Ann is fine with reraping Shido
      Yusuke is fine with being replaced by AI art and starving to death
      Makoto/Futaba/Haru are fine with their parents dying
      Goro is fine with dying and taking all his victims with him

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Based Phantom Thieves. Being happy is for gays.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Wasn't Ryuji going to get physical therapy for his leg?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      She was still raped, she just forgot about it.

  53. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    In a perfect world, I would be a hopeless slave to Morgana's fat ass as he sits on my face and berates me for my poor sleep schedule

  54. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why is PeePeeFES3 is advertised as 3 games on Steam?
    Why is the guy on 4 doing the Salt Bae salt throwing move? Did Bae took the move from Persona?

  55. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    "Ahh, Joker, where are you going at this time of night? Off to rape more unwilling damsels I presume? How about I join you? Two assailants will be more traumatic than just one after all, I bet we'd make a great team."

  56. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I really hope people do these threads ironically

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Maybe if you named a single reason as to why his plan is bad beyond "but muh free will". Why would you take a lifetime of mediocrity and suffering when you can have what makes you happy instead?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        "happy" You sure didnt talk to any npcs because they sure at not happy.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I don't want the law of metaphysics to literally crumble(as they will eventually) in his one-man-show world. SMT God can barely keep the world afloat and he is doing for far longer, yet I am here supposed to believe a shallow sentimental psychiatrist(not even a philosopher or theologian) can?

  57. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The only truly dumb scene in the game was PTs forgiving Akechi after his boss fight. They do a very sudden 180 and even those whose parents he murdered in cold blood suddenly start rationalizing his actions and going "you were simply wronged by the shitty adults just like us". That was when the game went full retard, just like that one scene in Tales of Arise.

    But okay, Akechi dies off screen right after this exchange so it doesn't fucking matter. Except Atlus figured they need to whore out the game one more time and Royal happened and made the Akechi thing even more retarded.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Futaba and Haru don't forgive him and they don't like him in the 3rd semester, they just have a common goal and already know he's a cunt.

  58. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >almost 3 years of this shit
    persona 6 is going to be pure kino without hackshino

  59. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How far did Maruki’s influence actually reach? I was under the impression that it was contained, like just in Tokyo, and would only take full effect if you beat him.
    Also Maruki’s world would fall apart in like, a week if he actually won. And he’d probably end up getting possessed by “his” Persona or something.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      "foreign countries" are a carefully maintained fabrication by the japanese government in persona

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >if you beat him
      Meant to say “if he won.”

  60. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Try to find happy fanart of Haru and her father, because I just want her to be happy
    >The only "happy" ones I can find are porn

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      She deserves it for that fucking 5head.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Use https://safebooru.org/ for when you don't want porn.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If you really cared about Haru, you’d know she’d never be happy with her father (and why would any fanartists ever want to draw him?)

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Then why is her happy fantasy in Marukiland her living happily with her father?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Because she wants to like her father and for him to be a good person. Thing is, he isn’t.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        But she was happy. She literally tells you she was, but at some point he became obsessed with making money and became cold and distant from then on. With that distorted desire removed, they would have been a happy family.

  61. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The issue with Maruki and all "villains" like him is that they're, obviously, deliberately written to lose from the get go. I mean just look at all arguments against his plan that the game basically threw into your lap.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >"villains"
      Are we still pretending Adachi and Kamoshida did nothing wrong?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The post was referring to characters like Maruki who try to rewrite reality and/or create perfect utopias while being deliberately given very blatant flaws alongside reason why people should not go along with their plans by the writers. Not Adachi and Kamoshida.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They are criminals in the normal sense. Maruki is a literal threat to the ontology of humanity.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They didn't no matter how much you cope chud

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      God damn cockposter. You confused me for a moment there, because I thought I was back on the other tab I just switched from.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't really mind it because Maruki isn't meant to be an isolated story, he's a contrast to both the prior antagonist and the protagonist.
      He's built to lose because he carries some traits held by the prior antagonist but in a different light which his arc serves to demonstrate.

  62. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    this thread has proven to me that NPCs would just gladly accept a Brave New World dystopia because it feels good

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yes and you would accept dying to a random dude

  63. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    IZANAMI BEST GIRL

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I could barely even tell she was a girl if not from the design and voice alone

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        must be hard living as a mental handicap, it's not like the whole game they say izanami created the world or anything

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That’s why I said from the design and voice alone.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You'll get Marie and you'll like it.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >What'll it be, fellas?
      >Good ending or true ending?

  64. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    None of that shit was ever real. He's just imposing the illusion world upon you and it is HIS biased interpretation of the ideal world upon you, without any of your awareness, consent or input

  65. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I feel like he's supposed to be some kandori-esque character and in the next game it'll be revealed that he was being used.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Don’t have the image saved but there’s a little bit of a connection between Maruki and Konoe in Strikers both being granted their mind-altering powers by a higher being, and a Eden theme in the final dungeons of both games. Could mean something, but tbh we probably won’t get any more P5 spin-offs at this point, and it would be really surprising if P5S and P5R actually coordinated their writing in that way, because otherwise they feel totally independent of eachother.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        well demiurge and yalda are the same thing
        they and maruki has the same source of power - collective waagh of people

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >but tbh we probably won’t get any more P5 spin-offs at this point
        There's like 3 domains for P5 they still keep renewing. P5B.jp, P5M.jp and P5U.jp (this one would be Arena.) And the "oh it's just auto-renewing old unused shit" excuse doesn't work anymore because they let a lot of unused ones lapse, like P5AG.jp for example. That means they've gone out of their way to keep these ones. That said a plot thread like this wouldn't even necessarily need to be continued in P5.

        That should've happened in Royal with the Axathoth reveal. Such a wasted opportunity. We could've finally had the next Nyarly.

        It wasn't really a reveal in P1 either, Nyarlathotep's apparent involvement in the plot as of P1 was just being Kandori's persona, it wasn't until P2 where it was revealed to be more than that.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I know about the domains, it just feels like the time has passed. P5 is super old news now, especially now that the dream port has been fulfilled. I think people are ready to move on, and surely Atlus is ready to announce the next game soon.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The port means it isn't old news anymore.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That should've happened in Royal with the Axathoth reveal. Such a wasted opportunity. We could've finally had the next Nyarly.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He won't be mentioned in the next game bro. I'm surprised they even had the very few references to 4 that they did.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What even was there again?
        >Ad with Rise and I think the other idol form the dancing game
        >Mentioning another detective prince while talking about Akechi
        >On the 12/12 someone is interviewing a "unnamed suspect" on TV about why he hung bodies off telephone poles and antennas
        Was that it?

  66. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He literally forced every woman on the planet to be raped again, they all had to experience for a second time their trauma, hymens were ripped apart twice and girls were forced to carry unwanted children. All for what?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      suffering good

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Finally someone who understands

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Finally someone who understands

  67. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm just going repost a post of mine about why Maruki is probably being used.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      not to mention whole thing with piloting adam kadmon by letting him tentacle rape you
      in strikers ichinose had a similar vibe going

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, I actually thought about the persona possession thing. And it almost always happens with "granted" personas, like it happened with Jun in P2 as well, it also kind of happened with Adachi and Namatame (according to Izanami she granted Namatame power but he failed to awaken it meaning he probably would have an Izanagi if he wasn't so deluded.) Like they give them a slice of power and then when they're in a moment of weakness they can take control, so that's pretty fishy for Azathoth.

        He won't be mentioned in the next game bro. I'm surprised they even had the very few references to 4 that they did.

        Adachi returned, even Ikutsuki was shown in Ultimax. Also Persona is in different hands now, Hashino is the one who was all in on making everything self contained and he's not working on persona anymore, the guy in charge of persona now is Wada who was behind the Arena games which were a lot more indulgent when it came to crossover stuff. Like P5R is obviously setting shit up pretty clearly

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The masks are not about control, but the false/true facade you use because you >live in a society, etc. But yeah, it's kind of odd, summoning a persona without ripping off the mask, since it's the mechanic in this game. Just like evoker/cards in P4.
      Persona MCs and party members call out to their personae al the time though, so it's nothing odd.

      What you failed to mention, and what I think is far more important is the fact that persona users are not supposed to HAVE PALACES at all. Palaces are tied to persona awakenings in 5, in the same way shadows are in P4 - once you awaken to your persona - you're no longer supposed to have a shadow/palace.

      This all might just be sloppy writing by the Royal team though.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The masks are not about control, but the false/true facade you use because you >live in a society, etc.
        Anon, I'm not just pulling this out of my ass, Persona is based on jungian themes, this is the jungian perspective. And I'll break it down bit by bit for you
        >For Jung, "the danger is that people become identical with their personas—the professor with his textbook, the tenor with his voice."The result could be "the shallow, brittle, conformist kind of personality which is 'all persona', with its excessive concern for 'what people think'"—an unreflecting state of mind "in which people are utterly unconscious of any distinction between themselves and the world in which they live. They have little or no concept of themselves as beings distinct from what society expects of them."
        So the masks represent the jungian persona, that's what persona means, and the point at which it's stuck to the face represents this point specifically (Jung calls this stage Identification), their self identifies with the persona but their persona is heavily influenced by the people around them and above them and that's why it's stuck to their face, because there's little distinction between the two (the self and the persona) at that point. Ripping off the mask represents the steps towards individuation, it's why they still inhabit a lot of the same social roles they did before, like Makoto is still the class president and all that but the difference is that it's not really something they let sway them anymore, because they recognise the distinction between the persona and the self, that's what it means in battle when they summon their persona's by taking off the mask, it's exhibiting the fact that they recognise that distinction between the mask and the self, and it's showing it's not persona ruling them, it's them who rules the persona. That's what mean I say control, and I'm saying Maruki does not exhibit this.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          can you recommend some jung for me

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Honestly I wish I could give you a better answer but I need to get deeper into it myself

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Man and his Symbols or the book about the Self. Both pretty entry-level.

            Dont start with the Red Book as much as you probably want to.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Dont start with the Red Book as much as you probably want to.
              This, it's pure schizo

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >What you failed to mention, and what I think is far more important is the fact that persona users are not supposed to HAVE PALACES at all. Palaces are tied to persona awakenings in 5, in the same way shadows are in P4 - once you awaken to your persona - you're no longer supposed to have a shadow/palace.
        This isn't really important. Maruki basically willed his palace into existence, note that he doesn't have a Shadow. Every time you see him in the palace is his actual self. He was also maintaing the Metaverse himself, it was supposed to have disappeared.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sometimes it blows my mind when I remember Persona actually kinda is meant to be dissected thoroughly, it just requires background knowledge on shit 99% of players would never know about in order to fully appreciate.

  68. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why did they replace Last Surprise with Take Over?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They didn't. Last Surprise is still the battle theme in Royal. Take Over exclusively plays when you attack a shadow from behind... Which is about 99.9% of the time.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I mean they did the same thing with 4 where they added a new battle track, only in 4 the ambush music was reach out to the truth and make history was the normal battle music. Plus I didn't get ambushes as consistently in 4 compared to 5 so I got to enjoy both a bit more while Take Over basically completely replaced Last Surprise.
      I like Take Over more then Time to Make History but it still cucks Last Surprise which is lame.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Last Surprise is pretty important to the feeling of P5 imo.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It still plays enough times to be noticed by players. A lot of fights are forced to not be ambushes, and every player slips up sooner or later, especially early on.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They didn't. Last Surprise is still the battle theme in Royal. Take Over exclusively plays when you attack a shadow from behind... Which is about 99.9% of the time.

      Who cares about either of those. I was using only Persona 1 and Strange Journey battle themes anyway.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I like blobber DRPGs, but god, SJ music was dull as fuck.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I like blobber DRPGs, but god, SJ music was dull as fuck.

        The best battle theme in P5 is by far the SMT If... remix and I hate that it's not included on any of the official OSTs

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Take over feels it should have played during some big moment like Rivers in the Desert but instead someone decided to make it the new battle theme, since it's so easy to ambush enemies you'll constantly hear it.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Honestly prefer Take Over to Last Surprise.

  69. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I remember when people were crying about them censoring a scene in royal but they somehow made it more offensive than the original?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They made a gay rape joke scene (unrealistic outside of prison) into a grooming joke scene (an actual thing people dislike trannies for doing)

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It went from two gay guys dragging Ryuji away to rape him to
      >we saw him standing outside a crossdresser bar, so he must want to be one but is too nervous so let's take him away with us despite his protests
      Joker also acts like a dick and ditches Ryuji with them both times.

  70. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's funny how Yusuke's mom wasn't deemed important enough by him to revive.

  71. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    they should base the persona 6 personas on philosophers

  72. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Yaldabaoth bad because he enslaves the collective human conscious under his rule. No free will, only what the demiurge says is just
    >Maruki good because... he does the above but he promises me a waifu even though his entire thing is "path of least resistance" not "granted desires"
    Lawfags are mentally ill.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      So Shijima and Musubi? Excet Maruki's isn't as psychotic

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's Musubi for Maruki, and everyone else is stuck inside it
        Somehow people think this would be a good deal for them

  73. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Hey I want to be a game dev
    >No there is a chance you will get harassed online and become sad, you're not allowed
    >But-
    >*mindrapes me*

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Gamedevs are predominantly leftists, he would do you a favor preventing you from becoming a leftist or getting cancelled.

  74. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You know he only gives better lifes to the people he directly talked to, right? Otherwise he just change reality arbitrarily based on his cuck mentality, doesn't matter if they are already happy or not before he took over

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      People often completely discard the fact that you see this play out with the love guru apprentice and the boasting wives. All of their character development is reversed by him and they unironically become worse than they were.

  75. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    maruki did nothing wrong
    his detractors are the equivalent of boomers whining about kids getting free college and polio vaccines instead of "building character" by crawling through shit street both ways

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      TAKE THE VACCINE GOY

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Game goes out of its' way to show Maruki's world isn't perfect with conflicting desires and sometimes desires not being fulfilled at all, causing the person to be brainwashed to take the "easy path" instead of their dream
      >hurr durr the only detractors are boomers
      Fuck you.

  76. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Maruki would have forced Vincent van Gogh to stop painting and probably driven him to suicide faster

  77. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Riddle me this Ganker:
    How is Maruki's world any different from "You will own nothing and you will be happy"?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because you will own things AND be happy.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nah you will be happy because HE thinks you will be happy

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >you will be happy because you will be happy
          That is indeed how happiness works.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >because you will be happy
            No, all Maruki does is remove the problem.
            That doesn't mean you will be happy.
            In fact, we see several characters that aren't happy.
            They aren't suffering but they aren't enjoying things as much as they are post Maruki.
            Both the girl who's made to date the guy who she broke up with and the guy who's pushed back into his playboy lifestyle show this.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Are more people happier in Maruki's world than our current one?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Can't say definitively but at least the way the game presents many of the npc stories in the background it doesn't seem like it, or at least the game doesn't present it as if more people are.
                The homeless guy in the station gets freaked out because everyone seems to be wearing fake smiles to him as one example.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah shit like that already proves the problems with having one human being trying to make everyone happy.

  78. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What does he do to people with competing dreams? Sumire wants to win a gold medal but so does everyone else in the olympics
    Also doesn’t he only change cognition in people
    >Sumire gets to the olympics
    >does a dogshit routine
    >some balkan gymnast beats her
    >Sumire gets on the podium and takes the gold medal anyway
    >everyone else is fucking baffled and she gets arrested
    Change that Maruki

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's the thing, it's just HIS interpretation of the best outcome and most ideal reality. If he's partial to Sumire because she was his patient and he witnessed firsthand her suffering, then he's likely to favor her in his world.
      Doesn't matter that he's crushing somebody else's dream in the process

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He only removes your suffering. If you can handle losing like an adult like most people can then you just continue being disappointed.
      I think people have misunderstood "suffering" to mean "a minor inconvenience" rather than actual full-blown real bro suffering like the borderline suicidal that Sumire was, the actually suicidal NEETgod that Futaba was or I suppose Haru sorta kinda with her father.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Part of that is addressed in his personality quiz. Those that can't seem to achieve their goal should switch to different aspirations. Talking to some of the students at the school I remember one who's no longer interested in being one of the top players and is happy to be a bench warmer.
      Said shift could either be a harsh one, such as giving up the sport for a non competitive aspiration, or perhaps more minor as switching someone from wanting to be the best to being one of the best or simply exemplary.

      I personally feel that since the whole thing is limited to a JRPG you have to stick to a binary option. Maruki knows his plan has flaws. He admits to it at one point, so its feasible to think he might refine his ideas or compromise with others. He seems to respect Joker's viewpoint to a degree. But since its a video game Joker, Maruki and the others can't exactly come together and spend a few weeks trying to try and hash out a better option.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        fuck i wish you could save after each step
        its impossible to find a video with all quiz options
        him openly admiring PTs was pretty cool tho

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        fuck i wish you could save after each step
        its impossible to find a video with all quiz options
        him openly admiring PTs was pretty cool tho

        I just did the quiz
        >Q1: your friend is possibly going to be attacked by people do you
        >rush to help them
        >go get help (correct)
        >Q2: you’re finding it difficult to achieve your dream do you
        >work hard and keep trying
        >do whatever it takes
        >focus your effort on a new dream (correct)
        >Q3: you have the power to steal from people and get away with it no matter what do you
        >steal for profit (no that’s greedy)
        >do not steal
        >steal to change criminals (correct)
        >steal to change yourself (wrong because obviously that means you’re unhappy)
        >steal to change your lover (wrong because you’d be stealing someone else’s unhappiness for your own (yes thats what they say and it sounds wrong))

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >What does he do to people with competing dreams?
      In Maruki's world, the one who would be hurt the most by not getting the gold medal would be the one to get it. Everyone's cognition would be changed to view the winner as having performed the best. Everyone else who wanted it would get hurt less but they would be brainwashed to want something else and pursue that instead. It's forced cope for all the losers in the world, and Maruki doesn't actually care if someone succeeds by their own merit as long as they are not hurt by it.

  79. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    P3ko canon
    Fully justified.

  80. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why do people care so much about this non canon character and his non canon plan?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Persona 3, 4, and 5 are all completely stand-alone anyway, so I have no idea why you care more about canonicity than the writing itself. They could all take place in different universes for all I care.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He's the guy who only played base P5 and justifies not playing royal by getting obsessed about canon.
        If my guess is right, he's also the guy who thinks Strikers is better than P5.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          People like that are a fucking relic, like it kind of made sense when Royal was PS4 exclusive while you could emulate the original, but that whole sour grapes motivation is gone now that its ported to everything. There is one interesting strain of people I've seen though, it's certain types of Makotofags who like her because she was the girl who was seemingly the most pushed in the original version of P5, only for P5R to come along and add another girl who's pushed even more, so their response is to seethe at Royal and try to deny it in every way possible, such as insisting that it's non canon. I've played a little game where you go on reddit and find someone seething about Royal and click on their profile and a lot of the time and you'll often see that their dedicated /r/churchofmakoto posters, like fucking clockwork.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >royalfag
            >deranged rant about waifus
            yup

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Waifufags are cancer but Makoto always gets a slot in my party because that hot outfit + motorcycle persona + nuclear element is always good.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Makoto is cringe shit

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Oh you're the dedicated Makoto hater. You're not any better, you literally never shut up about Makoto.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you're right.
                I should let people enjoy things that I don't

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Did you get your treasure stolen?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I never really got the "Makoto is canon" argument since the main arguments are
            >She hugs your leg in this one scene while scared and Joker saves her in another, therefore she must be canon.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              That's all it takes

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              She's treated as the rational brains of the group and no one ever really disagrees with her on anything.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That makes her a shit character

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                More shit writing overall then just the character. You could switch her with Haru for instance and the problem would still exist because the issue is more Anne, Ryuji and Yusuke becoming non entities after the next party members join.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >no one ever really disagrees with her on anything.
                She doesn't really say anything worth disagreeing with.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                True, but it's weird because she's the only character on the team like that. Her character flaws are only really present in her confidant, which is really dumb btw.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >True, but it's weird because she's the only character on the team like that
                She's the student council president so everyone just decided she should be the consultant. Her job is to say obvious shit and everyone nods or shakes their head.
                >Her character flaws are only really present in her confidant, which is really dumb btw.
                yeah that's the trouble with confidant-restricted character development. Everyone in P5 is really one note past their introduction.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Her job is to say obvious shit and everyone nods or shakes their head.
                Ok, can we agree that's annoying though? Because they don't treat it like it's obvious, they treat it like she's smart and they hadn't thought of it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Ok, can we agree that's annoying though?
                Yeah basically Naoto did the same shit, she's supposed to be a genius kid detective but she didn't do anything but relay info.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Naoto doesn't get that complaint as much because she shows up so late as is, and you catch Adachi what, two dungeons later? Even with Golden there's not much for her to explain after that.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, I really liked Ryuji's confidant and it sucks to go from that to
                >FOR REAL!?
                >WE'RE THE PHANTOM THIEVES
                >SHITTY ADULTS
                there has to be a better way to do it then just reverting back to Persona 3 where you didn't unlock social links for the girls until quite late in the game, and even then you still didn't get ones with Junpei, Ken or Akihiko.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I always felt the biggest disconnect between them for me is Yosuke in 4. Most of his social link is him trying to pretend he's fine about being stuck in some shitty town and his waifu being murdered (and finding out she hated him) with the only good things being having a friend in the player and getting to feel special because of his persona and what it let's you do. Then half the time he talks in the game he's just acting like a retarded coomer, sperging out at someone, acting like Kanji will rape him and causing bad situations to happen to the player and Kanji, like getting forced into a crossdressing contest as revenge for signing the girls up to a beauty contest without their knowledge.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There are a few confidants like Sojiro, Akechi, and Maruki where new ranks only unlock after certain points in the story, but that makes it even more of a bitch to manage and is more restrictive.
                I have complex feelings on the calendar system. In its current state, it's really showing its limitations and kills pacing, but I love it as a gameplay loop and would like to see it continue being improved upon instead of dropped for something that will naturally be less refined.

                >Ok, can we agree that's annoying though?
                Yeah basically Naoto did the same shit, she's supposed to be a genius kid detective but she didn't do anything but relay info.

                Yeah, I don't care much for Naoto either.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              By that logic Anne would be canon since she also gets two scenes alone with Joker, AND they're animated.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                She is canon

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Ann is suppose to be unpopular and only have Shiho as a friend because the nips see her as a dumb filthy gajin
                >Tends to score the lowest in popularity rankings alongside Haru because she's 1/4 white
                Based nips missing the point

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              in every single game, a girl is pushed onto you, that is what makes said girl more canon than the others
              >P3 has both Yukari and Aegis
              >P4 has Rise and Marie
              if we talk about P5 and its spin-offs
              >P5 has Makoto
              >PQ2 has Harem
              >P5R has Sumire and Makoto
              >P5S has Makoto
              and outside the games Makoto gets crossover shit with Joker while Sumire gets decanonnized in interview

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This PQ2...is Kawakami in it?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                PQ implies harem being "canon"

                as for kawakami, i think they do a reference only

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you are absolutely retarded if you think the game pushed makoto

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Gets two dungeons
                >gets a +10 on all stats weapon
                >that scene where Joker's bride carries her in Futaba's palace
                >that scene in Sojiro's house
                >those stalk scenes
                and im pretty sure i am missing things
                we could also add subjective things like Makoto getting the Katherine outfit

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Sae's palace is akechi's
                >who gives a shit about weapons
                >Ann has an equal amount of scenes pushing her

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                the only thing that can possibly be considered canon is harem route.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >P5 has Makoto
                >P5R has and Makoto
                >P5S has Makoto

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >while Sumire gets decanonnized in interview
                That's wrong though

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Royal is better

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Royal is shit yaldobaoth is the true final boss the car ride is the true ending

  81. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why does Takemi's theme have Swear to my Bones in it?

  82. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'll never understand big bads being bad because they'll make a literal utopia out of the world. But it's a much more compelling ending than the original. If you want to get the true ending, you have to bring down Maruki's fake world. The fact that they don't dress up accepting his offer as a bad ending just makes it that much better. Everything is beautiful, you get to stay with your friends, big dick Maruki walks off into the sunset, pure kino

  83. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >brainwashes everyone
    >his paradise society still fails because he isnt omniscient so the economic calculation renders it impossible

  84. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is this the Makoto thread?

  85. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is there a reason the player characters in 3-5 never really talk about the velvet room to their party, or comment on why the protagonist can switch persona's while they can't?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I think the few times it's sorta mentioned, they sound crazy.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Because japan made them retarded mutes. I think P3 mc briefly mentions it and gives up trying to explain real quick.

        >Hey guys know we sometimes slip into an alternate dimension and summon giant gods who command fire lightning ice wind holyness and evilness and fight monsters, and you know how even though you can only use one but I can use multiple, well there's also this other place I go to change the ones I have
        >WOW THAT'S STUPID, YOU MUST BE CRAZY

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          shut the fuck up retard

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because japan made them retarded mutes. I think P3 mc briefly mentions it and gives up trying to explain real quick.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Bro I'm telling you there's a fucking door right here that leads into a big elevator/limo/prison and inside is a cute girl and some guy with a giant fucking nose and that's why I can change my personas you can't see it but it's right here trust me bro
      What the fuck even happens when they go in, does anyone notice?
      The thieves at least get to visit it in the end of Persona 5, I think SEES visit it in the Answer at the end. The investigation team just gets to meet Margret if you do Marie's dungeon.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >velvet room
      Usually it boils down to one or two lines of "I want to tell them, but it's weird", which is just completely fucking stupid considering everything else going on, AND in the PQ games you've got characters saying "oh it's those Velvet Room people the protagonists talked about" to really drive home how stupid things are
      At least in The Answer SEES goes to the Velvet Room
      >wild card
      You usually get a few lines at the start of the game with other characters commenting on how cool and mysterious that ability is, but nobody really speculates on it even though they probably should

      Characters overexplaining things and social links meaning characters go underdeveloped is terrible writing, but for me the absolute worst of it is the fact that 99% of the time nobody really seems to care about the supernatural world they live in
      Like yeah, being a high school student is busy work, but they have books about the main party personas in THE SHUJIN LIBRARY
      TELL RYUJI TO READ THE PIRATE BOOK AND ASK HIS OPINION ON IT
      FUCKING SOMETHING
      FUCKING ATLUS

      >Bro I'm telling you there's a fucking door right here that leads into a big elevator/limo/prison and inside is a cute girl and some guy with a giant fucking nose and that's why I can change my personas you can't see it but it's right here trust me bro
      What the fuck even happens when they go in, does anyone notice?
      The thieves at least get to visit it in the end of Persona 5, I think SEES visit it in the Answer at the end. The investigation team just gets to meet Margret if you do Marie's dungeon.

      There's often a moment where a character walks over to the protagonist and goes "you okay man? you were staring off into space, let's go" to imply that being in the VR room looks like you've fallen into a trance for a moment to everyone else

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >they have books about the main party personas in THE SHUJIN LIBRARY
        TELL RYUJI TO READ THE PIRATE BOOK AND ASK HIS OPINION ON IT
        As I see Ryuiji doesn’t know his persona is Captain Kidd, he just sees it as himself

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          He doesn't act surprised when Akechi comments that his persona is based on a famous pirate, just that he thinks it's fitting for a guy like him.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          So he just yells "Captain Kidd!" for unrelated reasons? Or does Joker hear "Captain Kidd!" but Ryuji is actually shouting his own name?
          And there's the Thieves Den conversations, though it's dubious how canon they are
          And in P3 you have SEES briefly tell Door about their persona's names, strengths and weaknesses early on when they join SEES

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I always figured the name just came to them. Realistically, why the fuck would Sumire know Cendrillon off the top of her head?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              That seems to be the case, yeah

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I always figured the name just came to them. Realistically, why the fuck would Sumire know Cendrillon off the top of her head?

                Or the fact they know they're called personas at all. That's another weird thing with Maruki, the line where he's like "I believe you guys summon it like this. Persona!", like it's not something that came naturally to him and just something he observed. That's not normal

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Azathoth is more like an entity masquerading as a persona, similar to Nyarlathotep and Kandori, so he was never going to have a normal experience with it
                But yeah, the terminology thing was always a bit weird, but I guess since Philemon is specifically Jung's Philemon, Jung had dibs on the nomenclature

                >these aren't my parents because... THEY JUST AREN'T OKAY?

                They aren't, yes

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Since everyone is a part of the collective unconscious, the names and abilities of personas probably come from there. The collective knows who Kidd is, and when Ryuji awakens to his persona, that information gets transferred to him. It's not as if the persona is completely new, it comes from the mythology of all humankind.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The most you get is Akechi talking shit to Ryuji by pointing out how Captain Kidd's body was left to hang for quite a while.

  86. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Waaaaah I miss my parents
      >Get parents back
      >Waaaaaaah how dare you sully my parents name
      Make up your mind you gimp suit wearing freak.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's not his actual parents you dumb fuck. You're missing the point. You're making fake things to try to appease people. They're. Not. Real!

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >They're. Not. Real!
          The game explicitly said that they are real, and after the final day it would be irreversible.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >The version of your parents according to Maruki/your half-baked wants are made real instead of your actual parents
            Thank you demiurge very cool

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >these aren't my parents because... THEY JUST AREN'T OKAY?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              This would be unknown to you, much like you currently could be living in such a """"fake"""" reality without knowing any better.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >If you're unaware, that makes it okay
                Anon if I find out that you and I are in Hell, and that we've always been in Hell, I'll still use you to bang on the walls until I either broke through or died or both

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                But you won't find out and you are perfectly okay to champion the "reality" as you understand it, even though it may be as "real" as the one shown in game.
                Being unaware does make it okay and you are your own best example of that.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >>The version of your parents according to Maruki/your half-baked wants are made real instead of your actual parents
              Akechi existing swiftly disproves this argument.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Except that in case of p5, it would be real.
      >inb4 "noooooooooo"

  87. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    These threads are so fucking funny

  88. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    3 days until I can bang Akihiko.

  89. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Ganker unironically acting like the Will of the People sucking off Maruki as if he were the Holy Grail
    >REEEEEE!! STOP! I DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING OR FEEL SADNESS!
    >NOOOO!!! H-HE'S BASED AND REDPILLED!
    >I SAID STOOOOOP! HE'LL SOLVE ALL THE WORLD'S PROBLEMS BECAUSE...HE JUST WILL, OKAY!?
    Top kek. Can't make this shit up.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I say all those things unironically.

  90. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Guys, I have a toaster pc, and p3 fes digital that I had in my ps3 is now unavailable because I bought it with an account I made like 15 years ago and which I do not have the password neither for the account or the email associated. I am poor, should I just buy it from the ps3 again with a gift card? or bite the bullet and just play p3p?

  91. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Caligula Effect did this better because Mobius was fake.

  92. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i thought the other persona games are set in alternate universes

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They're all one universe, they reference eachother on TV.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        so why didnt they help the phantom thiefs?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          they don’t have the nav

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          everyone but mitsuru and aigis have actual lives
          what happened to them?...
          maybe yaldabaoth killed them

          they don’t have the nav

          a child could narrow down the phantom thieves to shujin students, then the ones hanging out with yusuke all the time

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >everyone but mitsuru and aigis have actual lives
            so theyd just stand by and watch as the world literally crumbles before their eyes?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              mementos summoning dino skeletons into tokyo only lasts a few hours
              the mental shutdowns and phantom thieves are divorced enough from daily life to not care

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They all dealt with shit differently. For SEES it was a secret hour of the day, investigation team climbed into TV's and Thief's use an app.

  93. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the cast argues that what hes doing is just brainwashing people but... isnt THAT exactly what they are doing themselves, just on a smaller scale?

  94. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    how does he know ever single persons deepest desires? hes just a shitty fucking psychiatrist

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That’s why people argue against him. You’re not getting what you want, you’re getting what Maruki thinks you want. If he nails it, then it’s great, but he could totally rewrite your personality.

  95. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Don't reply to frogposters.

  96. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  97. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Finally at the end of Persona 5
    Jeez. Why must ever JRPG devolve into vague philosophical platitudes about humanity and our faults and something something GOD

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because Japanese society is so soul-crushing and conformist that their citizens need to have video games that express their desire to overthrow (not society because that would be problematic for the government) GOD.

  98. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Free will is worth all that and no greater good is.

  99. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Currently fighting the last boss and I think I'm very underleveled.

    The whole parties around the mid 70s and we are barely chipping away at this massive asshole. Is there going to be some mid battle "saved by the NPCs" moment? Cause if not, I'm probably getting sent back to Corrupted Shibuya to grind...

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You are shit at the game if you can't beat yaldobaoth at level 70

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        yaldy's multiple arms were just obnoxious and 'nami was a way better final boss

  100. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I miss when Persona had good wiafus and mature stories

  101. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >All the matrix comparisons
    do you fags realize Maruki's world was real and the only reason it had some flaws and didn't stay for good is that you stop him from doing so?

  102. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Spending Christmas Eve with Kawakami
    This is what it's all about.

    This is what I was fighting for. Not to rebel against society. Not to finish my rehabilitation, or to save the world. I did this all for that sweet, sweet, teachussy.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i wish the game didn't make me feel bad about romancing her

  103. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The issue I have with it is that while authenticity is important, it extends past the pure materialistic outlook that the audience and developers tend to have. Without a true understanding of something transcendental it's just stoics masochistically wanking themselves off about how
    >all harm and evil is actually totaaly blissful and good and you just like dont get it mannnnnnn

    guess what jackass striving for the good is good. Shirou has a better reply to kotomine kirei in the Fate route about why undoing things isnt the same as righting them, i guess modern jrpgs cant reproduce something a porn game did decades ago

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's not how stoicism works

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        it's stoicism. A perverted, nihilistic form of what it once was, but it's still stoicism in the same way everything after the lutheran reformation is "Christian" and a college student drinking starbucks on a mac in a lambo is a "Socialist"

  104. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    But Okumura and Wakaba are fanfic versions of the real thing.

  105. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Here's your live-action Haru Okumura

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      still ugly

  106. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wouldn't his illusion world eventually shatter for people that fell that there's something wrong with the world around them? What then? Does he reassert the illusion for them, essentially mindraping them, don't reassert the illusion leading to suffering, or fucking eject them out of the illusion entirely?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There are literal NPCs that feel this way when you go around to talk to them.

  107. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Maruki has the ability to bring people back from the dead
    >Instead of bringing back Kasumi, just says he'll brainwash Sumire into thinking she's her again
    >What exactly does he plan on doing for people grieving over the untimely deaths of their family, bring them all back?
    Maruki dickriders need to unironically cope.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He couldn't bring back to life until Yaldy was killed anon, the Sumire shit happened way before

  108. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm confused, tried reading a wiki because it was so confusing.

    You don't fight the prime minister in persona 5 royal and instead it's some metaverse story?

    My ps4 decided to shit the bed after me getting 80 hrs into the original one and now the whole series feels ruined to me. Also I took it to a repair shop and couldn't get the save out.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >You don't fight the prime minister in persona 5 royal and instead it's some metaverse story?
      no

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Anon, the prime minister isn't even the final boss in vanilla P5

  109. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If the Investigation Team had to take down the Phantom Thieves with only 6 months to find proof and arrest all members, who would win?

    If even one Thief gets away, the Investigation Team loses.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Here’s a better hypothetical, if the SES, Investigation team or PT met a single SMT protag, who would win?

  110. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This shitpost is even more annoying than the ugly P4 character one

  111. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    P3 has a focus on Greek mythology
    P4 has a focus on Japanese mythology
    P5 has a focus on literary characters and legends

    What would P6 potentially have a focus on?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Proper aztec could be fun.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >P5 has a focus on literary characters and legends
      P5 has a focus on Trickster mythology

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      persona 6's story is gonna be a bizarre retelling of ragnarok

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I can see them going for historical figures; Alexander, Lionheart, Cleopatra etc.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Fairytale mythology could be cool

  112. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The memes about Joker and the PTs being pro-rape were the best thing to come out of P5R

    Also Maruki was right

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Also Maruki was right
      About what? Being a bitch?

  113. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I didn't play Royal. Did they really just copy the message behind The Answer and then attach a bad guy face to it, or is OP severely oversimplifying it?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      he was an "erase any attempt at happiness for total mediocrity instead" villain
      naturally, real life NPCs flock to worship him every single day on Ganker

  114. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    might makes right

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