PoE

I'm about 15 hours in on path of the damned & expert mode, just reached defiance bay, and so far I like it.
It's atmosphere and the feeling of a small adventure remind me of Baldur's Gate, just watered down.
The whole unique combat system Obsidian created is similar in many ways to those of Pathfinder games, just also watered down, probably plain inferior. (Still decent) Companions on the other hand, by modern cRPG standards, are great. Lack of pozzed wokeshit stuff was very refreshing to see. Hell, I even like most of them.

This game to me seems to average in everything where as most cRPGs get a few things very well, and atrociously frick up the others. I've heard that Deadfire & White March DLCs are better. What do you guys think about PoE

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Baldur's Gate, just watered down
    For most, including myself, PoE feels such an inferior version of BG that it's not enjoyable. I basically always finish my games, but PoE was so boring I just couldn't. Still played PoE2, which had plenty problems of its own (such as awful story and writing) but at least it was finishable.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Oh so I'm not the only one who feels this way? Interesting.
      It really does resemble BG in many ways. Sadly it's vastly inferior, for sure. I will however, most likely finish it.

      My pillars save got fricked right before the final boss. The only prior save was like 10 hours earlier, I ended up not technically beating the game.

      Frick, that shit is the worst. As far as I'm concerned, you beat the game anon

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Baldur's Gate, just watered down
      Played the BG games not too long ago and I don't get why people jerk them off so much. They aren't particularity deep, have a ton of design flaws, and the writing in many areas is terrible. The second game in particular is filled with bad writing and Irenicus is a pretty nonsensical villain. I don't want to use the "baby's first" but for me it feels like people only praise BG because it was their first ever rpg growing up and they have fond memories of it.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        One of the best RPGs of all time and certainly the best D&D based RPG out there.

        If you'd actually like to know why people who like it like it so much, read Lilura's review on it on her blog...
        >inb4 Lilura stop shilling your blog
        The guy or a chick... Whatever, is completely insufferable and probably hasn't left his basement literally ever. But I do agree with almost everything he has to say about RPGs in general.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >they have fond memories of it
        Exactly this, I think that the formula Bioware perfected was basically getting players to have an emotional connection to the game (mostly via characters, romances, etc.), such that they ignore all the flaws and engage with the relatively weak gameplay and story. This method was pretty fresh during the BG days. They do write characters that are at least superficially entertaining though.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >I think that the formula Bioware perfected was basically getting players to have an emotional connection to the game (mostly via characters, romances, etc.), such that they ignore all the flaws and engage with the relatively weak gameplay and story.
          You might be onto something. Just look at how much time it took for people to realize that the Mass Effect Trilogy has writing flaws beyond Kai Leng and the ending. Bioware are masters at emotional manipulation.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >weak gameplay
          >when speaking about RPGs
          D&D is completely alien concept to you. You don't know what RPGs are.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I have played a great deal of tabletop, including D&D when I was younger.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Hello, this is

            I have played a great deal of tabletop, including D&D when I was younger.

            again. I'm sorry, I just realized what you meant and I had to come back. You thought I was talking about action gameplay, and you think that D&D has good roleplaying systems and combat! I'm trying not to laugh or mock you, but my honest advice is just that you should try to branch out. Like I said, I only played it when I was younger. Good luck!

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              I’m always surprised by how much /vrpg/ worships D&D when among people that play tabletop it’s considered very weak.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I like D&D inspired video games. Don't give a shit about tabletop. The scene is literally non existent where I live.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Chapter 2 of BG2 is a great example of 10/10 RPG content. Not many games in history have perfectly designed chapters in them.

        Granted, if you have played BG games only recently, that already tells anyone you are a zoomer who has nothing of value to say about RPGs. And it'd be too much trouble to educate you.

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    My pillars save got fricked right before the final boss. The only prior save was like 10 hours earlier, I ended up not technically beating the game.

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I put like 10 hours into this game and got bored as frick so I never played again

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    My biggest gripe with the game is that they bog down the writing with tons of overly flowery, what they believe to be "poetic" fluff text. What they could do in one or two paragraphs they explain in like ten. It doesn't help that most of the paragraphs is like flowery descriptive text of insignificant stuff, or just random text heavy lore dumps. It feels like they did it on purpose because they'd think it'd make people praise the writing when it just makes people start to skim to the important stuff. In my opinion other cRPGs were able to write far more compelling text and do it in one paragraph.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      my problem with this game is that there is no hook and the game does a really bad job of showing its world, there isn't really even satisfying player progression either

      I actually agree completely with everything you guys said
      I'll also add that I don't like the fact that I'm le chosen one of some sort right from the get go, some badass watcher.. Like, cmon... Make it a small scale adventure at least in the first chapter, it's much more relatable and better for immersion

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        PoE1 is a small adventure though. You're not even out to save the world but uncover some secret cult conspiracy. Not only that, but being Watcher doesn't automatically make you badass or unique. This becomes even more apparent in the White March DLC. Though if you think this is too much, just wait until you get to Deadfire where you actually have to save the world.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      [...]
      I actually agree completely with everything you guys said
      I'll also add that I don't like the fact that I'm le chosen one of some sort right from the get go, some badass watcher.. Like, cmon... Make it a small scale adventure at least in the first chapter, it's much more relatable and better for immersion

      I'm now reminded of Grieving Mother or whatever her name was and her five paragraph descriptive texts of birthing scenes that yoou can skip by and lose nothing whenever you have a conversation with her.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Grieving Mother or whatever her name was and her five paragraph descriptive texts of birthing scenes that yoou can skip by and lose nothing whenever
        Here's an even cooler lifehack: you can aalso not pick her up as a companion, or when you can deliberately ask an npc dozens of questions about the stuff you can't give a frick about about - just don't. Simple as.

        >"Nnnnnooooooo there's a new highlighted query in the dialogue I must click through all of them and COMPLETE a character that's how you play RPGs!"

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Nnnnnooooooo you can't hate the badly written NPC
          Why are Obsiditards like this?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Nnnnooooooooooo, there's a post on the internet I don't like and I must respond to it to DESTROY those angry nerds that don't like something!

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Its not the writer's fault for writing a companion badly its YOUR fault for doing what you're meant to do in these games and engaging with NPCs.

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    my problem with this game is that there is no hook and the game does a really bad job of showing its world, there isn't really even satisfying player progression either

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      This. Its very told not shown. They just bog you down with pages of lore text and then that lore never comes up and what they focus on in PoE1 is the most standard, white meat medieval fantasy area with names that sound like they used a fantasy name generator. Eir Glanfanth, Engwith etc.

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Dreadfully boring game if you ask me. Deadfire is much better, but most people didn't even touch it cuz the prequel leaves a taste in the mouth.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      That's pretty much a universal opinion as far as I can tell, in which case I'm actually excited for Deadfire

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >The whole unique combat system Obsidian created is similar in many ways to those of Pathfinder games, just also watered down
    just playing the WOTR after the Deadfire
    yeah, PoE system is watered down, but also is pretty damn convenient with spells mostly being "per fight" not "per day"
    saves you lots of hassle with the whole set up camp and probably fight a random encounter between every other fight just so your spell slots are full
    >What do you guys think about PoE
    don't wanna spoilt too much but for me the first one was boring, never really got into the plot especially the chapter 3 was underwhelming and I already hit the level cap making it feel even more pointless. Never played the DLC but Deadfire is pretty good just for the setting alone

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I heard that the DLC is much better than the main game.. Which reminds me that I never finished Heart of Winter DLC for Icewind Dale, kek. Might get into that sometime soon too. Usually by the time I'm done with the main game, I'm too burnt out for DLC

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    As someone who actually played the Baldur's Gate games back when they were originally released and consider them to be important part of my childhood and why RPGs has always been my goto genre, I personally think the only parts they beat PoE games are companions and in lesser way quests. Granted, those are the salt of adventure RPGs but it's not that big of a cap. I think the general atmosphere and mechanics of PoE games are great and all-in-all I greatly enjoyed them. It's a shame the CRPG crowd consists of insufferable manchildren who rather destroy theirs and everyone elses fun instead of letting go of their autistic levels of demands on what a game should be.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >manchildren who rather destroy theirs and everyone elses fun
      wait, are you actually bothered by words on the internet? you need more training, child.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I'm not but all the whining obiously got to the developers and influenced their decisions for the worse.

        As someone who got to play BG1 only after PoE1, BG1 completely mogs vanilla PoE and it's not even close. PoE1 would probably be superior if it consisted only of the White March, but it's just an incredibly good DLC in the middle of a boring and uninspired rpg.

        It's funny when I think back some 20+ years and remember thinking all those seemingly endless forest areas in BG1 felt quite boring.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          if a dev is influenced to the point they make a worse game, then get angry at the dev, they hold all the power in this situation. you just want to tilt at your peers, very immature of you.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      As someone who got to play BG1 only after PoE1, BG1 completely mogs vanilla PoE and it's not even close. PoE1 would probably be superior if it consisted only of the White March, but it's just an incredibly good DLC in the middle of a boring and uninspired rpg.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        PoE1 wilderness exploration greatly suffers from there being almost nothing worth finding, mostly no one to talk to, and past Defiance Bay enemy counts on PoTD being inflated to the point of tedium. The bounty enemies being spawned at the start of the game would have been a big improvement.

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    poe1 is obviously inspired by bg and is pretty good. I found the world and story compelling enough to finish. Poe2 is much more inspired by mmorpg raid design and television, and I found myself not caring about the world, the story, or anyone in it. I did not finish it. Is it “mechanically” superior? I dunno, you have a lot of really mild abilities and multistage fights; if (adds 15% to hit for 10 seconds) sounds like a cool button to push, you u might like it.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >inspired by mmorpg raid design and television
      ???

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The visual style and atmosphere are pretty comphy and some aspects of the system are cool, like muscle wizards. The kickstarter npcs littering the game are obnoxious and cringe though. I couldn't resist killing them for free loot even when I ignored their shitty story dumps.
    >no woke shit
    wasnt there a gamer riot because a backer added a troony grave or something?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It’s not that woke, it’s mostly just bizarre. Like if aliens wanted to write about human sexuality and their only source was fetish subreddits.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >wasnt there a gamer riot because a backer added a troony grave or something?
      no, it was a snowflake riot because the grave had a "transphobic" joke on it, then people blasted obsidian for changing it

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I have around 30 hours in. I too thought PoE was kinda boring/lame at first, but when you start getting companions and building up your crew, dungeon crawls can be pretty satisfying. Especially since you can make your whole crew custom characters by simply hiring them onto your crew at the tavern in the Gilded Vale.

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Good game if you like setting. I like PoE 1 more than Deadfire, it is more coherent. White March DLC is good. Overall i like game more than any modern CRPG. But if setting and tone of the game dont click it is clearly not for you, because game is never going to be epic adventure with quirky girls romance (there are some in Deadfire, but they are there just for show), it is gray, down to earth story about colonisation, power, religion and control.

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >high INT Barbarians
    >high STR Mages

    shit system, lol.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Absolutely based, Conan the Barbarian is smart in the original stories and in the first movie (although being portrayed by Arnold does make him seem really stupid, so I can see why people make that mistake), and mages being weaklings never made any sense. Why wouldn't you be doing cardio and lifting as an adventurer of any kind?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        You are confusing intelligence with common sense.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I was confused because of his body

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        conan may be a barbarian but at least he isnt a pict

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