Printing PDF's

So a lot of PDF's I buy I'd like to print, for example, Memento Mori doesn't have a physical version in the USA yet, but I have bought the PDF's. What is the best way to do this?
I do have an ''ECO-TANK'' printer and refills for ink are like 20 bucks.... so I guess it would be cheaper to just print off at home?

How would I ''bind'' these? What do you guys do?

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If you're printing a lot, a laser/toner job will be a LOT more economical in the long run than an ink printer.

    My basic B&W only toner printer cost me ~£200 several years ago, and I've replaced the toner drum once and it's not gotten low again yet. The startup cost is higher, but the running cost is so much lower than ink it's not funny.

    Toner also doesn't frick up as often, though you will still encounter printer driver issues from time to time because printers are the moronic spawn of satan, hateful and stubborn by nature.

    If you need to bind things, you can get manual document punch-and-bind machines for under a hundred bucks.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sounds good, I busted my printer budget on the fancy color non-duplex printer, but it would be nice to buy a full duplex black and white laser printer for this stuff. I think the cheapest one I saw was a Brother for around 150 bucks.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What's the cheapest 11x17 / tabloid printer? I want to print quires...

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Something like pic related? I heard though that eco-tank ink printers are just as cheap maybe? Maybe I was wrong about that. In any case, it would be a huge waste of paper unless I stood there swapping each page as my printer isn't full duplex.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Forgot pic because I'm moronic

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          probably. Check that it prints both sides, check the cost of legit and third party toner per page, and...
          I would say "check reviews" but that's been shit advice since at least 2017, probably earlier.

          Look at the cheapest and the next few up, is what I'm saying.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >and...
            >I would say "check reviews" but that's been shit advice since at least 2017, probably earlier.

            "If people buy products with good reviews, would we not make money head over heels if ALL OUR PRODUCTS had five-star reviews??"

            - Jeff Bezos

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Brother printers are great. I have hated printers my entire life until I bought one.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Eco tanks are very cheap. I use one to print off large pdfs all the time. I haven't had to buy ink since I picked up the printer 2 years ago.

        It also prints photos and signage very nicely, I'm pretty happy with it. I used it to make some copies of some star wars Armada ship cards and they turned out great too. It prints quickly unless you're doing photo double sided prints. Normal double sided documents print pretty fast.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah I'd probably do it on my eco tank but it doesn't support duplex (auto back and front) printing.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Having done this before, I wholeheartedly agree with FIRST POST BEST POST.

      Also some noob tips.

      Autoduplexing is a must.

      moron level binding is a 3 ring hole punch and binder. Not a bad place to start.

      Something like pic related? I heard though that eco-tank ink printers are just as cheap maybe? Maybe I was wrong about that. In any case, it would be a huge waste of paper unless I stood there swapping each page as my printer isn't full duplex.

      Eco Tank's benefits drop when you're printing enough to wear out print heads. They're still a lot cheaper per page than color laser.

      Also, NEVER buy a modern HP printer.
      Brother, Epson, Canon all have acceptable offerings.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >laser/toner job will be a LOT more economical in the long run than an ink printer
      Canon megatank ink printer $180, 0.2 cents per sheet + paper, it prints duplex
      Brother laser printer $230, 2.7 cents per sheet using high capacity cartridge + paper

      Until you can find a laser printer cheaper than 0.2 cents per sheet your long run statement is not correct.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The one I linked is .012/page.
        https://a.co/d/2o1ZqOx

        https://a.co/d/9Ge7E5I
        https://a.co/d/caYbegV
        I have that printer and it works great. Haven't used that exact comb binder, but I can't see home grade binders being that different from each other.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Actually I am moronic and did the math wrong, that has 2 cartridges so it's .006/page.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Actually I am moronic and did the math wrong, that has 2 cartridges so it's .006/page.

          I bet you gave your science teachers repetitive stress injuries from having to write "state the units" on your work all the time. Without units your values are useless. 0.006 cents per page would be cheaper than 0.2 cents per page but 0.006 dollars per page = 0.6 cents per page would be three times as expensive. 0.006 cents per page would be impossibly cheap as far as I can tell. Working below.

          After you clarify units please help me with the mathematics of how you arrived at those values since I was unable to figure out anything with the same digits. Here's my working so you can tell me where I've gone wrong.
          List price for two toner cartridges = $100 = 10 000 cents
          Claims to print up to 3000 pages per cartridge, 6000 total pages
          10 000 cents / 6000 pages = 1.67 cents per page

          That is a long way from 0.6 cents per page and even longer from 0.006 cents per page. To arrive at 0.6 cents per page the toner cartridges should cost 0.006 dollars/page * 6000 pages = 36 dollars not 100 dollars. If they cost 0.006 cents per page the two cartridges should cost 36 cents, as stated that doesn't seem possible. So help a guy out and show your working.

          Laser printer that does double sided printing in black and white gets around that so long as you buy a corded one instead of cordless.
          If you are going to be printing whole books, getting a duplex laser printer is pretty much a requirement and they are cheap for just a straight up, print only, black and white only device.

          Please explain to me how a cordless, I assume you mean WiFi capable, printer is unable to get around "that", whatever that pronoun stands for, but one with a cable can.
          The prices I quoted were for black and white. Colour on the same ink printer is quoted as 0.8 cents which is still cheaper than b/w only laser I quoted and you get a more versatile machine that can print colour and which can also print photos on glossy paper. I also stated that the printer was duplexing. The only advantage I see so far for the laser printer is speed.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >a long way from 0.6 cents per page
            If you just invert your last calc it's 0.6 pages per cent lmao which then still doesn't make sense with the originally stated 0.006

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Thanks. I'm slapping myself for not noticing it was that simple. Units and working are wonderful.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The units are clearly in dollars. .006 a page would mean .6 cents/page. This isn't a science class, it's a Tibetan yak farming board.
            Try applying the 2 coupons that are clearly on the page, and guess what the total price of the cartridges becomes.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >.006 a page would mean .6 cents/page.
              Really? That's totally fascinating. I wish I had included that exact conversion in my post.

              I also wish that I had pointed out that someone trying to prove me wrong by implying that laser was cheaper than ink needed to correct their ideas if they thought 6 was less than 2.

              But thanks for the coupon thing. That at least was helpful.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Laser is cheaper than ink, but only at large volumes. Eg, if you're printing enough to replace print heads/transfer rolls, do manual printhead cleanings, ect.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Laser printer that does double sided printing in black and white gets around that so long as you buy a corded one instead of cordless.
        If you are going to be printing whole books, getting a duplex laser printer is pretty much a requirement and they are cheap for just a straight up, print only, black and white only device.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    get into book binding, a friend of mine learned it while working at a used book store, looks interesting

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It actually sounds kind of interesting, and most RPG's and stuff these days are going to PDF and I don't care about how books look just the content.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >and I don't care about how books look just the content
        you can make them look pretty nice (in my opinion you can make them look more "premium"), just a matter of practice.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I just use a cheap online printing service. Some will whine about copyright for even a single copy, but others don't care since it's not their job to police that stuff.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Who do you use? Cheapest I could find for around 300 pages was 20 bucks.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Lulu.com is pretty good.
        It's probably still $20 if you're printing a full sized RPG book, but that's with a hard cover and high quality black & white prints, which is a good deal since the equipment to make and print and bind your own hardcover books is a lot more expensive.
        But if you plan on printing a lot of books, then the overall cost might be worth it, but if you're only printing like 3 or 5 books it's probably worth biting the bullet and paying lulu like $120 and just calling it good.
        Basically;
        Small batch = pay someone else
        Huge batch = buy the equipment

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I've used Printme1 recently, got 286 pages, B/W simple metal binder spine for $26+shipping. Considering the physical books for that are going for $150 or more, it's pretty good.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Use the printer at work. It’s what I did. 1000s of pages I’ll never look at in 3ring binders in my garage.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Print in low quality for text, black cartridge only, odd number pages first, reinsert stack and print again even number pages. Use 3 hole puncher and put pages in 3 ring binder. Best way so you can insert or replace pages notes maps as needed

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'd be so scared id frick up the direction of odd and even pages or something.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        With book binding you either go into that rabbit hole or go to some old man who does it professionally. There aren't really any half measures there and if you're busy 5 days a week then just go to someone who does book bindings. Toners are fricked and go for something like Brother, anything that doesn't require an internet connection or subscription or mobile app really.

        It's an easy thing to correct provided you have enough paper anyways

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    https://a.co/d/9Ge7E5I
    https://a.co/d/caYbegV
    I have that printer and it works great. Haven't used that exact comb binder, but I can't see home grade binders being that different from each other.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Now I wish I had bought an eco tank with full duplex.
    Oh well, it works nice for printing off just the sections I need to give players if they don't have the book.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ausgay here, we have on office supplies chin called Officeworks. They have a print and bind on demand service that’s pretty reasonable. You just upload the docs, select the printing parameters, it tells you the price and once you pay it’s normally ready to,pick up in a day or two. Much easier than fricking about with your own stuff. Maybe you have similar print on demand services where you are, OP?

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I didnt look closely at the thumbnail and thought it was an NES

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's only tangential to this thread but I despise how everyone designing oneshots and short adventures packs their PDFs with half-page illustrations.

    I want to print off your six page adventure using as little ink as possible with as little effort as possible and without fricking up the formatting. Why do you feel the need to ruin this for me?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You'd think in this day and age people would be releasing barebones PDF's with just rules in as few pages as possible due to how everyone is using PDF's and printing them at home if anything.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        on the other hand, it's remarkable what a little basic formatting can do to make something more enjoyable to read. I personally find it less tiring to read a rulebook type document if it's got the sort of layout and formatting we've come to expect, even if there's not pictures, rather than just being "I opened word, set columns to 2, and started typing"

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You'd think in this day and age people would be releasing barebones PDF's with just rules in as few pages as possible due to how everyone is using PDF's and printing them at home if anything.

      on the other hand, it's remarkable what a little basic formatting can do to make something more enjoyable to read. I personally find it less tiring to read a rulebook type document if it's got the sort of layout and formatting we've come to expect, even if there's not pictures, rather than just being "I opened word, set columns to 2, and started typing"

      >adds a tasteful textured papyrus backdrop to drain your ink

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The guy who makes Tricube Tales puts all that shit on separate layers so any non-worthless pdf reader can selectively not show (or print) them. So it's not like this is some impossible dream. People are just moronic.

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