Prophantasia Trainer

Hey guys, I don't know where to post this, but I've found this game that is supposed to "train" your prophantasia.
https://apps4lifehost.com/WN9/

Basically, you press on "Access Mode", then on Start.
The objective is to see as many afterimages as possible.
When you get advanced enough, you can try to change the afterimage or see if you can hold it for longer.

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I have chronic fatigue so I find this extremely easy. Projecting images is simple when you're tired. People have "aphantasia" because they're using the wrong part of their mind to produce the image. It's not something you do best with the most logical, forefront of your mind. You do it with the sides.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There are people who have both prophantasia and aphantasia.
      In fact, the creator of the app uses prophantasia as a way to train the mind's eye for people who have aphantasia.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        yeah I can feel it in my exhausted brain. phantasia uses the back of the brain more than prophantasia. I think the thing people get wrong in this is exerting themselves too much to produce the image. It's not a matter of exerting your muscles, but relaxing them — putting your brain in a state nearer to dreaming. Like to open my eyes the widest, I have to relax the muscles in my eye, not stress them. Same principle applies here. Relax the muscles in your brain and the phantasms will come a lot easier.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ever since I was little I would close my eyes at night and oftentimes see little events and stuff play out out of focus but if I try concentrating on them they either vanish or just get more blurry. Pretty neat when it happens.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Whenever I hear about these subjective experiences I just assume it's not real and morons are making up things to make themselves seem super special and magically interesting and such a cool imaginative guy XD

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Are you an NPC?
      Are you selling any items?
      Do you have any quests for me?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Same concept. It's an arbitrary unprovable way to feel superior to strangers.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Whenever I hear about these subjective experiences I just assume it's not real and morons are making up things to make themselves seem super special and magically interesting and such a cool imaginative guy XD

          Easy on that copium.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      so can you not conjure an apple in your minds eye or what?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's literally just dreaming
      You can 'see' in your dreams right? It's being able to do that while awake.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >You can 'see' in your dreams right?
        I mean, not really? I dream in concepts, I understand that I'm in a certain place or doing a certain thing, but if you asked me, say, what color the floor was, or to draw the windows in the building I "saw", I couldn't do it. I know there were windows, I don't know what they looked like.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That's not the same thing. When you're actively dreaming, you likely could describe the windows in detail. You're memory of the dream that evaporates in essentially seconds after waking up is affecting what you consider your experience.

          It's like asking a man to describe his wedding before and then after getting dementia. It's not an equal circumstance

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Everything is dark and muddy feeling in my dreams. I once looked at my hands while sleeping and jumped to Hyper-phantasia mode but my hands were super fricked up looking and the excitement of lucid dreaming woke me up.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Oh I thought you were saying the opposite until I got to the end. No, people are lying if they can't see an apple. That means they have no memory. If I asked them what their bed looks like they wouldn't say "black space." If I asked them what color shirt their friend wore 1 hour ago they wouldn't say "I see in black and white."

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >No, people are lying if they can't see an apple.
        "Uncomfortable", the guy who created the DrawABox website (an art learning course) famously has aphantasia.
        He can recall memories intuitively, just not visually.
        Think of him as having a lexical mind.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I find this very hard to believe anon. If you asked him the color of his child's hair, would his mind literally just conjure up the word, or would he remember this child and then recognize the color?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            If I ask you what you had for breakfast, you don't need to conjure up an image of your breakfast, you can intuitively remember what your breakfast was and answer with words because knowledge isn't necessarily intrinsically tied to visual stimuli.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >you don't need to conjure up an image of your breakfast
              No that's exactly what happens. I imagine myself either cooking the breakfast or sitting at the table and eating it. And by imagine I mean literally remembering what I did earlier in the day so it's all in pov full color HD not this black and white shit.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Alright, then can you answer when was the last time you showered?
                Do you NEED an image of yourself showering to answer me that?

                Or for math questions, you don't need an image of 5 apples in 5 rows to tell me that 5 * 5 is 25.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Correct. These have only appeared recently because having as many mental illnesses as possible is in vogue. You have people who genuinely pretend to have shit like autism, just because they think it gives them bonus victimhood points.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >having vivd imagination is mental illness now because *I* don't have it
        Well well well...
        How the tables have turned...

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I misread his post. Everything up until "imaginative guy" could be interpreted as one of the Twitter special snowflakes who suffer from crippling fake diagnosis like Anatidaephobia or fibromyalgia.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Well telling people you have a super unique special deluxe form of imagination (with medical "latin" name and helpful infographics to demonstrate how fun and cool it is to be us!) is the annoying part.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        this line of posts has to be bait

        rent free

        >rent free
        of course even imaginary Black folk would be getting HUD vouchers

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Anon, especially women cannot stop to one up each other on who is the most insane.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      that's because that's exactly what's going on

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's a language issue. People think you're supposed to be able to literally SEE an apple.

      It's like how anyone can hear music in their head, but if you said "I'm listening to music in my head" people would look at you funny.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ur an npc which means you have no soul
      You’re literally unironically soulless

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nah these days its way more likely that some skitzo on Ganker is making shit up.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Most of these posts are bait
          But if you seriously cannot see a cat even vaguely with your mind there is something wrong with you
          It’s literally called imagination you know like images like seeing pictures

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I can spin the image of a fully realized realistic cat in my mind's eye, you'd have to be a literal NPC to not be able to do this

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It’s very real. I have a pretty strong mind’s eye and a decent enough artist, but I remember having really vivid prophantasia while on shrooms where it seemed like I could see through my eyelids. It’s not too dissimilar from dreaming.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >try to go to sleep
        >get bombarded by eyes like this flying in from the dark
        Grim

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I assume you are referring to people who actually can't imagine things in their head, aka the "mind's eye," since even fricking cats and dogs can do that (they dream, which is essentially the same fricking thing).

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No one else can ever know what you "see" and "hear" and people can just type anything they want to it's impossible to ever determine what is real or not, therefore it's just for funsies and chitchatting about how you feel :^)

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ive hd aphantasia since a kid but when a young kid had hyperphantasia, when i consume THC in most any quantity(almost never use it) i am flooded with overwhelming hyper detailed imagery that is more detailed and clear than i can perceive with my open eyes. Do i have some endocannabinoid issue or something

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      DUDE................LE WEED!!!

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Stop responding with marvel quips, gay

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    wait, phantasia is when project an image INSIDE your head?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Phantasia is when you can see stuff "intuitively", meaning NOT in your field of vision.
      Prophantasia is when you can see your imagination with your naked eyes, like the afterimages in the game.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        but the image shows a black screen and mentions having the eyes closed

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Are there really people who can't just think up detailed objects? How the frick is that even possible? I don't even feel "superior", I'm just weirded out.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >complete aphantasia
    >cannot form an image, words or anything in my mind, nothing at all
    >except the word Black person on a black background (pic related)
    >whenever I think about it I also hear Black person echoing in my head
    >often accidentally jumpscare myself with Black person
    >cannot do this to any other word or concept no matter how much I try
    Am I moronic?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Black person is a state of mind

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      no it means racism is your gateway to having phantasia

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm afraid you have Black personantasia

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      rent free

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Do you people also hallucinate sound when recalling video game sounds and music? I guarantee you don't.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't hallucinate sounds, but I can vividly recall sounds and play them in my head.
      Hallucination is something else, though.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Can't you imagine music? I usually don't bother to "listen" to tracks I know when I can just conjure wholly new pieces.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      there's a difference between something in the mind's eye and a spatial hallucination
      I can also vividly recall sounds

      I don't hallucinate sounds, but I can vividly recall sounds and play them in my head.
      Hallucination is something else, though.

      , I don't think it's uncommon but actual hallucinations are rare

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I can. But the most vivid audio hallucination I had was listening to Animal Collective L's "My Girls" — a psychedelic pop song with sweeping keyboard arpeggios — on my headphones before falling asleep. I woke up early the next morning and heard the EXACT song, complete to the minutest details, with all the sounds and textures reproduced in, as far as I could tell, perfect fidelity. I had to check I didn't still have the headphones on, it was that surreal.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you're silly then, because mimicry obviously exists, and to do mimicry you have to have some kind of self-modulation to know that it's accurate, which is not unlike having a record playing in your head which you then feed into your vocal expression. you most commonly see mimicry in birds, for whom this is an inherent biological function, but it's also exhibited to some degree by people, for example some can perform bird calls, or do beatboxing, impersonation, and so on. i can certainly hear in my head what an instrument sounds like, i don't need a song to be playing to remember a piano tune or guitar riff.
      do people really not? that's fricking scary, it's like only some of us are real people and we're living with automatons that just simulate humanity. but also not surprising.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, you do that IN YOUR HEAD like the majority of people out there. Your brain does not also hijack your external stimuli neurons, giving you "real" playback of those sounds. Those are very different things.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not just videogame sounds, but music in general easy to stuck in my head. There's usually something playing and if I want I can change track, though sometimes that doesn't always work.
      That said, back when I was younger I used to have to my imagination to jerk off since I rarely had access to a computer and no cellphone, so maybe that helped me.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I keep getting songs stuck in my head and it's often video game music. They're generally good songs but it does get super fricking annoying when it's silent IRL and the Legend of Mana dungeon music starts playing in my head for the 30th time that week. Or when I'm trying to recall a song from long ago and it slowly morphs into whatever I was listening to recently.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i get a cat that glows white and tries to eat my photorealistic apple while i'm rotating it around in my brain

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      can you rotate in 3 dimensions?

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I can project any image I want, be it with closed or open eyes. I can vividly see anything I want. I can also project smells, taste and sounds. Smell and taste is very useful when cooking.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    A free sample of your store's crispened potato snacks? No need, I've already simulated the flavor in my head.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Actually you take the free sample so you can train your Large Tastebud Model on it and then you don't have to pay for the full product as you can just pirate the flavor with your memory.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This. The amount of money I save by eating gruel while playing back steak memories is insane. Keep wasting your money on food, morons.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Literally The Matrix lmao
          Soon you can just directly trigger any neural stimulation you want at all times.
          Society... culture... no thanks, I got my own brain, I'm good.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You joke, but phantasia schizos are actually like this.
      They think seeing shit in their head is normal or healthy.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Me, except for sounds I can occasionally cause audio hallucinations if I concentrate.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Oh boy! Another interesting thing I can self-diagnose and let the whole world know I have, just like my ADHD!

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >i will train myself to see things that aren't there
    why would i want to become an schizo

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      if you can't do it then that means you have a low iq

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        i CAN do bot, but you should always avoid doing that prophantasia thing unless you want your mind to put tricks on you in the worst moments and places possible

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          There have been times where I've freaked myself out and think about seeing shadow people at night, and I hate that sometimes my brain supplies them while I have my eyes closed.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          that's because you have low iq
          if i'm wrong, become an schizo and prove it

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ok but why do i want to train it

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ...aren't these the same fricking thing?
    Or do people with "prophantasia" literally hallucinate images when they close their eyes?
    I can vividly imagine things in my head and place in the space around me (with or without my eyes closed), but the only thing I physically "see" when I shut my eyes is black static and sometimes some colorful starbursts if I press on my eyes real hard.

    This entire field of study seems full of confusion and misconception...

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >...aren't these the same fricking thing?
      how about you read the fricking OP

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They see the thing as if it was really there. There are other conditions such as synesthesia, where sounds are perceived as color.

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