Most emulators work, but i do think that there needs to be focus on Graphics Packs and Patches for 60fps that can be crowdsourced like CEMU or Dolphin Emulator does for games to let people download from certain sites.
Every emulator I've tried has had a few embarrassing problems that everyone denies or pretends doesn't exist, or says "c-console is worse" when I've tried both and can prove it's not.
Emulation defenders are a bunch of lying fags.
eh
it's both
It's superior because you can run it in 4K in 60 FPS with extra tweaks, filters or with increased speed
It's worse because there will always be inaccuracies, weird glitches etc. The bottom line it's good enough if you can play on PC for free. Nobody should say they're the best way to experience games, but having no og hardware it's the second best thing.
>and insist emulation is superior to real hardware
Granted consoles that output in interlaced format like 90% PS2 and a good chunk of GC games really benefit from a forced progressive scan mode that emulators offer. PS2 hardware was just the worst offender when it came to interlaced content which is difficult to display on LCD/OLED TVs.
Every emulator I've tried has had a few embarrassing problems that everyone denies or pretends doesn't exist, or says "c-console is worse" when I've tried both and can prove it's not.
Emulation defenders are a bunch of lying fags.
https://i.imgur.com/Z2JGIPP.jpg
>ps2 emulation is goo-
t.people that haven't tried an emulator in the last 15 years.
while I enjoyed it at 60 you are right about it breaking games, demons souls was one that comes to mind, the ai feels "off" when its at 60 and higher, it's hard to describe they either seem more aggressive
>Every emulator I've tried has had a few embarrassing problems
yeah maybe like 10 years ago, PS2 emulation is one of the only ones you still need to fuck around with hacks and settings for
Here to second this. Outside of a MiSTer you’re better off with original hardware. Personally though, my favorite is console mods. Fun to do and fun to play.
>Every emulator I've tried has had a few embarrassing problems
yeah maybe like 10 years ago, PS2 emulation is one of the only ones you still need to fuck around with hacks and settings for
translation: "I am a fucking retarded zoomer that doesn't know how to use a computer and doesn't even know what a file directory is"
name a stable N64 emulator thats not dogshit, i'll wait
its just weird for ps2 because you can buy a used ps2 a harddrive and good cables for like 150 to download and play every game on the system ever.
all emulation has probelms they wouldnt get so many patches if they didnt but pcsx2 is doubly shit.
ps2 still emulates worse than the fucking switch anymore
i've played every switch release this year comfortably on my pc but still have a physical ps2 for those games if i want to go back
because it's true? you can play totk on either switch emu out of the box without a problem. then try to play vice city on pcsx2 and tell me how it looks without finding a settings profile.
because it's true? you can play totk on either switch emu out of the box without a problem. then try to play vice city on pcsx2 and tell me how it looks without finding a settings profile.
Try using PCSX2 Nightly. It's like Night and day literally. The problem with Switch Emulators is that they are not as easy to setup.
Ryujinx-Has terrible Library setup while Yuzu is easy like Citra for a double click, does not support Async shaders, does not tell you if 60fps mods are setup. Great controller setup and easily works with games.
Yuzu-Async Shaders, Easy Library setup. Controller setup is weird and has issues working sometimes in games.
PCSX2-Put your path where your roms are in the folder, Controller sets up seamlessly, supports Async. Best of all 3, easy to understand icons. Frontend by Steznek from Dolphin.
Switch Emulators need to up their game and ease of use. PCSX2 still is better in that regard and is not a pain.
"hey this popular game has clear issues that plugins aren't fixing"
then everyone runs and insist emulation is superior to real hardware
Everyone who complains about emulation, it's due to some obscure game having an issue that the emulator devs likely never heard about, because nobody plays those games.
"hey this popular game has clear issues that plugins aren't fixing"
then everyone runs and insist emulation is superior to real hardware
>Make vague statement about emulation related issues >Proceed to not give any context or explain what issues are they talking about
Neat, now GTFO of here.
>Play Perfect Dark on P64 >Straight up doesn't work without a bunch of dicking around + downloading fixes >Play game >Still runs like shit, going from massive frames down to -20 whenever something major is being rendered
Had a lot of fun doing that
This has been my experience specifically with anything that isn't on the NES, SNES, PS1, any flavor of Game Boy, an old PC or an arcade machine. These people get so damn angry about getting called out on it, too.
>or says "c-console is worse"
The only case when it is true is while playing jrpgs, having the ability to fast forward outweights any graphical glitches.
Pascal cards like the 1080 Ti were the last batch with VGA output, they're still fine for modern vidya, just no raytracing/DLSS etc support. And they work fine on Windows 10/11 obviously.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
VGA can't output 480i.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Doesn't matter, you won't see the dithering like shown in the OP pic on a CRT TV screen, it will all blend together.
ah a troonix user, should've just stated that from the beginning
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
On linux you just output 480i, you know it's just a normal resolution, you don't need hacks.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Call me back when you don't have screen tearing and can do 144hz properly
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
You can already get those if you aren't a nVidia cuck.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>no CUDA
enjoy being left behind when it comes to AI
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
nooo not the heckin AI porn
not the hecking nu-vidya goyslopperino ahahaha
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>all he can think of is porn and vidya
Nevermind, troonix users are actual retards
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
If you use your PC for work you are extremely likely to be an actual emasculated troon. I fucking hope you use your PC for porn and video games.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
You are definitely unemployed
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Wrong. Manual labor. I'm sure you'll start to pass any day now.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
sucking your boyfriends cock isn't manual labor
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Neither is dilating despite doing it full-time.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Thank you for doing my drywall, Pedro. If you'll excuse me, I'm gonna go back to not getting addicted to painkillers by the time I'm 35
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>he says as his health rapidly deteriorates from being little more than a sedentary eater for 7 days a week
But at least you wont get any owwies and have a winkle at age 40 🙁
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
AMD generates AI waifus fine. Only thing I don't have is AI upscaling but waifu2x is better for anime anyway.
CRTs for PCs are 30kHz minimum, 480i is 15kHz unless you run it at 120 fields/sec
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
True but why would I run interlaced shite in the first place if I have the option? If I'm running actual hardware I really don't have an option but thankfully only the PS2 and GC were dogshit enough to force interlaced content at basically gunpoint.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Because the issue OP is describing is exactly the fact that e.g. PS2 cutscenes are interlaced video rather than progressive video. They look like ass on anything that isn't an interlaced video pipeline for the full 100%, front-to-back. If it's not, then at some point or other the interlaced video has to convert to progressive video by being deinterlaced and that tends to never come out nicely.
OP is also a duplicitous homosexual because connecting a real PS2 to a current day LED TV would give the exact same result where either the TV has to perform the conversion from interlaced to progressive; or you'd have the PS2 configured to output a progressive signal (which it can do over a component cable, iirc) and have the PS2 itself perform the deinterlacing. In both cases, you get the same combing.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
This. Not to mention the fact only like three ps2 games actually support progressive scan and persona 3 is not one of them. There is a homebrew app, "GSM Mode Selector" or something that can allow you force 480p but it either causes crashes or fucked up 8:7 aspect ratio most of the time.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>PS2 configured to output a progressive signal (which it can do over a component cable, iirc) and have the PS2 itself perform the deinterlacing
The PS2 can't actually output a progressive video signal for most of its games due to being shit hardware. Even if you hack your PS2 only a handful of games can be forced to output in progressive mode. If you want to have a good time you are better off paying alot of money for an OSSC Pro with linedoubling and deinterlacing or something similar.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Looks good on my retrotink 5x, but it really is a game by game basis. I still have a crt on the side for ps2 and the few consoles that look like crap upscaled like the Master system and Pc engine.
Retrotink has a really good deinterlacing mode. The games without a deflicker filter probably look better running through that than they do on a CRT. There's some PS2 games that let you turn deflicker on or off like Tekken 4, and it makes a huge difference.
>upscalers
don't do shit for the ps2
it's just a shit console and it's video issues are unfixable, i hope sony sucks dick in hell forever because i love the ace combat games and they all look like ass regardless of display
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I hope life gets better for you soon buddy.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>uhm who hurt you? tier post
have a nice day
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
PS2 games require CRTs to even look remotely okay but you can just tolerate it and put it at 1080p anyways
I could always put shaders on but I'm simply too lazy to attempt it and even then it's buggy
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
i have three decent 15khz crts (a 20 inch flat trinitron, a 27 inch flat trinitron and a 27 inch flat sharp) and through component it looks like shit on all three of them
it's just a shit console and the fact it has good games makes it worse since they're stuck on that pile of garbage
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
and they still look infinitely better than any lcd
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
This. Not to mention the fact only like three ps2 games actually support progressive scan and persona 3 is not one of them. There is a homebrew app, "GSM Mode Selector" or something that can allow you force 480p but it either causes crashes or fucked up 8:7 aspect ratio most of the time.
>PS2 configured to output a progressive signal (which it can do over a component cable, iirc) and have the PS2 itself perform the deinterlacing
The PS2 can't actually output a progressive video signal for most of its games due to being shit hardware. Even if you hack your PS2 only a handful of games can be forced to output in progressive mode. If you want to have a good time you are better off paying alot of money for an OSSC Pro with linedoubling and deinterlacing or something similar.
And there's also the fact that the OP image is from an FMV which is encoded as interlaced, so even if you forced a PS2 to output progressive scan and had a patch specifically for the game, the video would still be interlaced.
>You can't output 480i to a CRT monitor though
Yes you can. Just need the right ones. My Dell CRT from 1997 can do interlacing, even has an option for 50% scan in its menu.
>Every CRT monitor supports interlacing
Not late PC ones. My 445 Pro doesn't support an interlaced signal of any kind. Nor does it support any resolution below 480p.
>old graphics card with vga out >vga2ntsc or component converter
very difficult
>don't forget to have an old gpu to actually connect the thing with your converter though
You don't actually do this. You don't actually think this is in any way better or more convenient than just having a PS2.
The PS2 couldn't even render at 1080p. On what fucking planet would playing physical PS2 games on a 20 year old console be better than playing them on a modern PC using a superior emulator that is updated regularly to this day?
This one. The games just werk, and they don't even look bad at 240p or 480i. I honestly prefer the way a PS2 through an upscaler looks to the way most games look emulated and upscaled to 1080p.
Nah, man. It's my actual opinion. I am happy to see that PCSX2 is actually good nowadays, but I prefer the lower resolution look and using original controllers. Loading times really aren't long enough to bother me, especially since I just play everything off of a hard drive.
For me personally, it depends on the kind of game it is. I have a CRT SNES set up but fuck if I'm going to play an RPG without fast forward and sleep mode
Maybe I'm a stickler about this kind of shit, but I just don't bother playing games where I feel the need to fast forward through stuff. I still like JRPGs, too, I just drop ones that are so boring that I find myself wanting to fast forward through stuff.
I use the original controllers for all my emulators. 480i looks like dogshit btw
Looks just fine on a CRT or through an upscaler with deinterlacing to me. You type like a homosexual """""btw""""""
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I get that, but I feel conflicted on my end. Chrono Trigger has immaculate art direction and atmosphere and I love it for that alone, but I replayed it recently and just can't get over how dull the combat is now. I feel like fast forward is good for instances like that where so much of what I like about the experience is still intact but there are still parts that really don't do anything for me.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>one word sets the hardware autist off
Kek I'm glad I made you so mad, I'm playing your games better and for free. have a nice day btw
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I play 'em for free too, anon. I also don't really play video games for the sake of feeling like I'm getting a better deal or playing the game in a better form than somebody out there. I'm also not autistic which is probably the most unbelievable thing I've typed in this thread.
You have a huge complex over playing "my" games.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I'm also not autistic
I don't believe you
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
You were being a giant homosexual and I put you in your place, rightfully so because I immediately touched a nerve. Lmao!!
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
pay attention to what [...] said. really try and take it in
I read it and came to the conclusion that he's a much bigger homosexual than me. Can you make it easier for me to understand? I'm clearly not getting it.
All I really see is that guy sperging out about me just having a different preference than his own and thinking he epically pwned me for calling him a homosexual for being a homosexual.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
you know what? I take it back you are one of the good homosexuals
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Thanks, fellow homosexual.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>thought he was special for using original controllers >defended 480i as "not looking bad" >immediately had sperg rage at the thought of emulators outperforming his set up
Autistic homosexual
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
The only one of these I actually did was the second one. I don't think I'm special for owning a PS2. They made a lot of those. I also didn't sperg rage at the thought of PCSX2 outperforming the PS2. It's just objectively true that PCSX2 runs PS2 games better than a PS2 does. It just isn't what I prefer to use.
Can I help you with anything?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>concedes cause he knows I'm right
Not only are you autistic you're also a pussy. Kek!
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Let it all out, anon. Project even more of your insecurities onto me over, uh, the right way to play "my" games.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
pay attention to what
You were being a giant homosexual and I put you in your place, rightfully so because I immediately touched a nerve. Lmao!!
There's literally nothing stopping you from using pcsx2 the way you want
the only reason you go with high resolution is because
1. you are lazy and stupid and don't want to bother with windowscast
2.you like having widescreen
You really think I don't know how to use something as simple as PCSX2? I already own a PS2 and just don't see any point in using an emulator over it. You sound like one of those guys who posts about people getting "filtered' by RetroArch. I just prefer using the console I already own instead of an emulator.
>but I prefer the lower resolution look
Was there a funny cartoon that was supposed to go with this post or what
he expects us to believe he isn't huffing copium
It's my honest to god preference. I just don't really feel like I'm missing out on much by playing the games as they were originally released.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>just don't see any point in using an emulator over it.
Not playing in 480i >I use a crt
Autist.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I use an upscaler, ackshually. I do still keep a CRT around but don't use it nearly as often.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
do whatever you want but I'm just saying it works fine if you want to have it as close as possible to real hardware experience without having to use broken controllers
the pressure sensitive button shit was honestly stupid and just annoying and makes no logical sense even now
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>broken controllers
I took pretty good care of my controllers and actually managed to snag a new in box controller for a few bucks not too long ago. It was one that was released around the time the PS3 was new so it doesn't have rumble, but it does have a very long cable. It's nice.
>I'm also not autistic
I don't believe you
I know it's a hard sell in the real hardware vs. PCSX2 pissing contest thread, but it's true. If I were autistic I'd be telling these guys they're not really playing the games when they emulate them, but all I've said here is that I just prefer to use a PS2 instead of an emulator. PCSX2 is good, but it just isn't what I prefer to use.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Was there a funny cartoon that was supposed to go with this post or what
I just figured I'd let your utter retardation speak for itself.
Persona didn't have progressive scan on the PS2 so it would actually look like the bottom without some de-interlacing done to it by the TV/Framemeister/OSSC etc.
Emulator chads are in it to actually play the fucking game, not ogle the first level of 50 different games and take pictures of them for their internet boyfriends
it's literally the opposite. original hardware chads actually focus on the game itself vs fiddling with settings, configs, and tabbing out of the game to do other things on your pc. that being said, physical coomlectors are far worse than emufags.
>fiddling with settings, configs, and tabbing out of the game to do other things on your pc
so don't do these things? hardware cucks can do all of those things too moron
I will never understand why people are so quick to brag about not being able to focus on a single task
>multitasking has always been a thing >you're a zoomer if you use more than one monitor due to attention span being low
people always revision history to fit their narrative
>buy a PS2 for "authentic" PS2 experience >every game has several minute long loading times and run at 10 fps >just go back to emulating games with near zero load times and 60 fps
ps2 loads incredibly fast if load via harddrive and your being a fag with the fps slowdown and sometimes you want slowdown.
you don't really feel the massive impact of everything exploding if there's not a few seconds it goes under 20 fps in rachet deadlock
>you don't really feel the massive impact of everything exploding if there's not a few seconds it goes under 20 fps in rachet deadlock
Cope post. It's cool if it's less than half a second. I never used the harbinger because it obliterated the frame rate as well.
yes calling something bad is in fact, shitting on something. like the first post literally did. good christ it's not even a bad thing, you're even right in the instance. quit being an autismo.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
so is criticism shitting on something even with the caveat that you like it?
>emulation is perfect it just gets patched multiple times a day for years
what is it patching if its perfect? its fine to play on emulators, better than not playing but to argue theres zero inaccuracies is insane to me
>fostering FOMO to drive up prices in the secondhand game market? Nobody's ever done that. Please watch my used game store's new epic video about the top 10 most underrated PS2 games 🙂
>fostering FOMO to drive up prices in the secondhand game market? Nobody's ever done that. Please watch my used game store's new epic video about the top 10 most underrated PS2 games 🙂
OP and co aren't spreading FUD to drive up used game prices, they're trying to shill $100+ shitty upscalers:
>PS2 configured to output a progressive signal (which it can do over a component cable, iirc) and have the PS2 itself perform the deinterlacing
The PS2 can't actually output a progressive video signal for most of its games due to being shit hardware. Even if you hack your PS2 only a handful of games can be forced to output in progressive mode. If you want to have a good time you are better off paying alot of money for an OSSC Pro with linedoubling and deinterlacing or something similar.
Looks good on my retrotink 5x, but it really is a game by game basis. I still have a crt on the side for ps2 and the few consoles that look like crap upscaled like the Master system and Pc engine.
>have CRT with component >hook up PS2 >boot up an early game (2000-2003) >feels like knives are stabbing into my eyes because everything is razor sharp with no antialiasing and no interlacing flicker filter like GCN and Xbox games all had by default
There's not a lot you can do to make PS2 look good, unfortunately. It just comes with the territory.
Looks good on my retrotink 5x, but it really is a game by game basis. I still have a crt on the side for ps2 and the few consoles that look like crap upscaled like the Master system and Pc engine.
Retrotink has a really good deinterlacing mode. The games without a deflicker filter probably look better running through that than they do on a CRT. There's some PS2 games that let you turn deflicker on or off like Tekken 4, and it makes a huge difference.
Why do fags go out of their way to get offended about software you are meant to tweak when it's a free way to play pretty much every game in existence?
no world there is where a emulator has 0 settings you don't need to fix besides old 8bit and 16 shit and in most cases you have to disable graphical effects to even get high resolution looking decent on dolphin where pcsx2 this is never a issue
pcsx2 is genuinely better than dolphin
Most emulators just work once you set them up the way you want. PCSX2 requires you to tweak settings on a per game basis and if you're lucky you won't have too many audio/video bugs.
>there's better software now
even the best nintendo 64 emulator is still broken in many aspects
stop denying basic shit
dolphin is dogshit rpcs3 is dogshit xemu is dogshit
Just use Retro Arch, mupen core.
RPCS3, Xemu, and PCSX2 are the trifectra of buggy, broken emulation.
Look at all the emulators for other consoles and handhelds, they're essentially perfect.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I wish xemu was better so I could finally fucking play Ninja Gaiden Black, but my standards are too high from other emulators to put up with its constant hitching and slowdown issues. Luckily it doesn't seem too hard to mod an original Xbox.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>just use retroarch
what do you think I been using?
I'm not computer illiterate like the rest of the retards on this board
>there's better software now
even the best nintendo 64 emulator is still broken in many aspects
stop denying basic shit
dolphin is dogshit rpcs3 is dogshit xemu is dogshit
>just use retroarch
what do you think I been using?
I'm not computer illiterate like the rest of the retards on this board
>wrong >wrong >dogshit dogshit dogshit >everyone is retarded except me >wrong
What an insufferable homosexual you are
>can't render bloom at higher resolutions in nintendo games that been focused on for years >while pcsx2 never has to do anything to fix graphical effects
the only troon here is you
you deny basic reality
>most accurate
nope >most efficient
nope >cleanest
you only say this shit because you are a poorfag retard who cannot understand downloading bios and not having a computer from 2012
>so you're saying pcsx2 is better huh?
How did you come to this conclusion? Try reading again.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
yeah but prime hack is better than dolphin
despite it was built on it >makes motion controls easy on a controller >no nonsense no fucking around with settings
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Mate, you've gone full retard. I don't think you are following the conversation.
>Isn't that a deinterlacing issue? That would still happen with 480i video on a modern display.
Yep. A real PS2 hooked up to an LCD would look identical to PCSX2.
The point is that the output of a PS2 and the output of PCSX2 is exactly the same. What you use after doesn't matter (and could be applied to both anyway).
>amount of damage they did to PS2 emulation is unreal
You have brain damage or a deformed brain? or both?
The amount of progress done on the ps2 emulator in last 3 years in insane.
2.0 soon.
>The amount of progress done on the ps2 emulator in last 3 years in insane
It is insane that it took that long for them to actually accomplish something I agree. Although I don't even believe you that they did something impressive. They are useless fucks.
PS3, Xbox 360, Wii U and Switch emulation has been running better for me for the last 2 years than PCSX2 ever did.
That retard is clueless. The only reason there was any kind of progress is because the duckstation dude took over. The original team who made the software were worthless. It's still not good enough even with the improvements in its current state though.
>The amount of damage they did to PS2 emulation is unreal.
How. Was there some better team of ps2 emulator devs that were assassinated by the pcsx2 team?
tbh i remember trying to play Destroy All Humans on PCSX2 a couple years ago, and it was either 4 fps, or weird pitch black graphical anomalies, depending on how I fucked with the settings. Might have to give it another try
because it's true? you can play totk on either switch emu out of the box without a problem. then try to play vice city on pcsx2 and tell me how it looks without finding a settings profile.
because they want children to be scared of emulation because apparently changing a 0 to a 1 is scary and complicated despite pcsx2 comes with settings already predone for you automatically
>my trinitron died when lightning hit my home >owner of the college rental wanted to give me his trinitron but I had no room in my car for it, so I left it
I should have rented a fucking u-haul for that trinitron alone.
ULMB is close enough. Nice to have a 16:9 LCD that takes up no space and can emulate a CRT to the point I can't tell the difference.
High refresh rate monitors are a meme. 120fps ULMB is the real answer to motion blur.
Literally what the fuck is wrong with the bottom image. This shit is why i hate fidelity fags so much, if the game isn't crashing, giving you seizures or its plainunbeatable then there's nothing wrong with it
I for one am enjoying connecting my original systems to my retrotink 5x hooked to my 50" samsung hd tv and playing with bluetooth controllers, the combined total latency of which is still inferior to 4ms and looks godlike.
Fuck emulators, fuck 14" crt displays, and fuck poorfags. I haven't had this much fun playing since I was a kid.
My total hour count emulating and playing on crts is probably higher than the hours most of this board users have been alive.
I am getting older so I am choosing comfort. And getting on the couch, plugging and playing, 0 tinkering and image quality being pretty much perfect on a huge display is just unbeatable to me.
Also I'm tired of wired controllers. I have been using a DS4 to play PSX and PS2 recently and it's just perfect.
that's cool and all but I like my emulators and being able to play anything without having to hoard plastic and spending hundreds of dollars just on adapters and absurd meme shit just to get a remotely decent experience
ideally isn't exactly as ideal as you say it is
not only would I have to hold onto a ancient tv and somehow keep it despite having a life to live and to survive the economy being shit
Unless its a big crt that weighs a fuckton I dont see whats so hard about keeping it. I've had the same television in my bedroom for 13 years after moving 4 times
Revision
basically the difference between a launch copy a updated copy
often games come with small changes sometimes better sometimes worse
typically it's just bug fixes and something dumb as adding dualshock support on like a ps1 game
that's just how it was back in the day
you bought a game and if it was unplayable you just returned it and if you didn't get greatest hits etc because of autism over colors you got a worse version of a game
whats there to allow? how else would devs push out updates to games that needed bug fixes? day 1 patches didnt always exist. newer revisions was the only viable solution.
That's like asking why it's allowed to patch games nowadays. If you're that autistic about it you can just download/buy the original version. It was rare that there would be any changes beyond fixes for bugs 99.99% of players would ever encounter without specifically looking for them.
I like launching PCSX2 and jumping into the game, upscaled, at a higher framerate and clear image (can use software rendering where clarity makes games look bad, also done with the press of a button). You do you though!
I have a 5X too. It's great. I use it all the time on an LG panel the same size as yours. The deinterlacing works extremely well. I get great captures out of my old consoles for streams with it, too. My only complaint about it is the price.
>buy device that supposed to support pressure buttons on official controllers >doesn't work >plug in dualshock 3 with DSHMC >works perfectly
wasted 60 fucking dollars
[...]
I just want to emulate shadows of the damned...
RPCS3 is much better than it was even a few years back. The problem is that you need anything beyond a 12th series Intel to run RPCS3 at 4k and 60fps. I do fucking wish though that RPCS3 did refine the XMB menu so it's not just an emulated menu but it can do more like go online, play music, put in themes from back in the day and refine a bit of the Rendering to have textures, SFX look better overall.
You mean it you want it to emulate an actual PS3 all the way down to it's OG firmware?
That would be cool. As it stands the XMB was not worth the effort to play with, because it felt laggy even for my 7700x.
Speaking of which; I was running it paired with an old 970 and that struggled to do 720p60 because of it. So RPCS3 can be somewhat GPU-limited. 4k60 is a lot to ask for, so don't go thinking you can do it with a 1060.
xenia is hit or miss and it makes me upset, red dead is good, saints row is okay (I used to think the dotted windows was a emulator bug but turns out thats in the original as well) asked about mass effect 1 and got a solid "it's still borked"
Some games need a specific plugin, build or toggle to fix a common issue between the engines. The general release won't have these fixes because they usually break something in a more commonly played game catastrophically.
SMT games are among that list that want a special build. That or you deal with either the interlacing, or you deal with shadows being on top of models.
I like how emulation kind of gatekeeps itself since it scares off computer-illiterate retards who can't understand settings and/or troubleshoot issues.
>AYCKTUALLY THE PIXELS ARE SLIGHTLY WRONG IN THIS ANIMATED CUTSCENE SO THIS EMULATOR IS UNPLAYABLE
Anti-Emulation fags are either severely autistic or just trolling. Emulation is literally the best way to play any classic game by any modern standard. The gameplay does not deviate in almost any important way for 99% of games.
Tales of the abyss is still broken in this piece of shit. It's been decades since they made it and it still doesn't work. Meanwhile cemu runs everything flawlessly.
Say what you want about tendies but the fact is they actually give a shit about games. PS2 sold a gazillion units and still has no good emulator because 99.99% of the sales came from people who never gave a shit at all or stopped caring a year or two after buying.
>cemu runs everything flawlessly.
CEMU is a BOTW emulator.
Say what you want about tendies but the fact is they actually give a shit about games. PS2 sold a gazillion units and still has no good emulator because 99.99% of the sales came from people who never gave a shit at all or stopped caring a year or two after buying.
>Say what you want about tendies but the fact is they actually give a shit about games
They do not give a shit about 3DS games judging how Citra is still fucking dogshit.
right click game > properties > fuck with shit until it's fixed you fucking retard. clearly zoomers are incapable of hands on learning and need a step by step youtube guide on everything so they can get frustrated halfway through when they realize they're using a different version and an option has been moved. also why tf would you ever want to play tales of the abyss?
sure but what bug fag? can you answer the question or are you just making shit up? we know the answer already btw
called it. what a complete retard >KEK
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fucking retard
If you want to give me a save for the English version I can show you it working fine there too, I don't have one. You'd have to give me time to download the game.
>don't know what the bug is >u-uhmmm it's fix incel
absolute state
Tales of the abyss is still broken in this piece of shit. It's been decades since they made it and it still doesn't work. Meanwhile cemu runs everything flawlessly.
If you want to give me a save for the English version I can show you it working fine there too, I don't have one. You'd have to give me time to download the game.
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I have a CRT with a PS2, GameCube, and a hacked Wii for emulation, but honestly I'm just as likely to play any of those games on my Steam Deck. Unless a game is completely broken when you emulate it, convenience is just as likely to win me over as authenticity
being able to just hit enable widescreen and no interlacing and just play than fuck around with freemcboot is so much better >but oh my god I gotta enable cheats and download them off the interwebs
jeez you only need to do this for like 3 games in existence
lessee here >Can't use any controller you want.
That's true, I guess. OPL supports Dualshock 3 or 4, but that's it for variety. Maybe you can use something like the RetroFigther multi-gen controller. >Can't mod or add shaders
Some mods can't be run on real hardware, some can't. It depends. You can totally mod PS2. See: all the meme characters BRs add to Dragon Ball games. >Forced to play at native res
yeah this one sucks unless you get a CRT. 480i does look like absolute garbage on modern TVs. >Still have to fuck with menus and settings
I guess for the initial setup that's true. >Can use network cable to get around 2TB limit but at that point you may as well just play on PC
That can be an Issue, I suppose. I'm actually wondering why would you need more than 2TB though. Are you planning to install every single PS2 game + revisions and regional variations? I have a bunch of PS2 games on my server and I'm nowhere close to even 1TB. Also, ZSO compression is a thing.
It does, but I admittedly didn’t play DQ8 that way. I played a bunch of stuff like that with no problems. Devil May Cry, MGS2 and Dragon Quest V worked perfectly, just off the top of my head.
If you wanna get really fancy you can buy a travel router, connect some storage to it and plug it into your Slim, but that’s admittedly more expensive and a little trickier to set up than just connecting to your PC.
UDPDP is pretty much just as fast as hard drive thoughever
Thanks bros
>people actually pay good money to worsen their free, pirated content
lol
lmao even
It does, but I admittedly didn’t play DQ8 that way. I played a bunch of stuff like that with no problems. Devil May Cry, MGS2 and Dragon Quest V worked perfectly, just off the top of my head.
If you wanna get really fancy you can buy a travel router, connect some storage to it and plug it into your Slim, but that’s admittedly more expensive and a little trickier to set up than just connecting to your PC.
>>you just didn't have scanlines because my tiny consumer tv did
ESL moment.
Fact is: 480i doesn't have scanlines. If you're looking really hard and you're close to the tv, you can see them a little alternating but that's a bad thing because it means you are seeing the interlacing effect. A scanline shader applies them consistently to try to emulate 240p, which is also shitty because unless you're using a 1000tvl broadcast monitor, they're not actually that thick.
Your shitty mid-line home entertainment CRT did not have scanlines. NOBODY'S did. Because the display was not high enough quality and the signal was composite. The only place you EVER saw scanlines back in the day was at the arcade, because the displays were high quality and the signals were clear and crisp output instead of blurry composite shit.
My consumer Panasonic CT-27L8G has very nice scanlines and I picked up it from some random old guy that was throwing everything out from his clearly middle class home.
I don't think we'll ever know since it's only gotten worse over the years lol.
Seriously I can remember people 15 years ago seething about it while I was emulating away happily. And the past like 2 years has had that one sperg making daily threads, breeding more retards.
resellers can't handle the fact that you can download games for free and not have to pay them for plastic bricks and overly convoluted engineered plastic boxes that are overpriced even for the amount of effort that went into them
they will flip the fuck out even further when people get HDR screens that actually work since crts will be fundamentally redundant when display tech gets good enough which means you can have the best of both worlds
scanlines and ntsc filters
That will literally never happen because of the fundamental technological differences in how CRTs and LCDs operate.
If you want to emulate the appearance of a CRT screen you can do that right now and have been able to for years. But it will never look the same as an actual CRT, because it physically can't.
It literally, physically, can not. It is simply not possible due to how differently they both operate. You can't even take a image of a CRT that 100% accurately represents it.
There are plenty of perfectly good CRT shaders. This idea that CRT monitors are some mythical machine that can uniquely produce something that no other machine can is silly. That's like saying that soundfonts off of old chips used in games can't be emulated. Except they can and have been for many years now. Not to mention it only takes one sperg with some general shader know-how and an evening to make it. Sorry to burst your bubble.
??? A soundchip produced analog audio that can easily be put in a software and analyzed. The specific look achieved by a CRT is something you can only see in person and is created by lighting up phosphors, which creates an entirely different end product from the pixels on your LCD/OLED display.
You can do the same thing with a CRTs image. We could take two screenshots of a CRT vs Emulated CRT look and you wouldn't tell the difference. Things like grain, curvature, a TV's specific grid can all be captured.
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A image does not capture what it looks like in real person. That inherently cannot be measured. You can get part of the way, but not perfectly replicate.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
You aren't understanding, the look has been captured and isn't inherently unique to CRTs anymore. Those days are over.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yes I know about Laser Phosphor Displays.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Nigga it is physically impossible to do. You're comparing a painting to a photo. They're two different things, even if they capture the same subject.
3 weeks ago
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>the same thing is different because it is
nah nigga
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
My suHispanicions are confirmed: you are retarded. You may go now.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Explain how it's impossible instead of being a snobby homosexual. The same look can be achieved and emulator properly.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>explain
Anon, he can't. He can spout technical explainations on how the machine works. But not why it can't be reproduced beyond the magical end-all-be-all argument of "you just have to see it to believe it".
3 weeks ago
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I'm convinced he's a coping retard that's trying to gatekeep something he knows nothing about.
>Audio is easy to emulate so it doesn't count >Video on the other hand...
Are you being serious?
3 weeks ago
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The way video looks on a completely different display technology =/= the way video is processed objectively like composite
Are you retarded?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Are you retarded?
I was thinking the same thing. Imagine unironically acting like recreating sound chips is so easy. Anyone with actual ears and a good pair of headphones can easily tell the difference between the real and the recreation. Even you should know this.
Why do you guys have to be so weird about emulators? Most people who use the actual consoles are happy that emulation is as good as it is these days. It means more and more people get to play these games that we like. This whole "lol hardware fags btfo" thing is so juvenile and one-sided. It's like you made up a guy to be mad at or something.
For whatever reason emulator users don't really play games despite having theoretically all of them available. At best they play 5 minutes of the most surface level shit imaginable, like Mario.
I'm willing to give these guys the benefit of the doubt and believe that they actually do play these games, but what do they get out of acting extremely autistic about emulation and trying to pretend like someone out there is seething at the thought of them emulating a game? I guess I just answered my own question. It's autism.
See I don't believe they do. I've never met an emulator user who has anything good to say about the platforms they emulate, they play games and report back utter misery. It's really sad. They then brag about emulating as if it's some sort of amazing thing I haven't been doing since the mid 2000s, before they were born.
>They then brag about emulating as if it's some sort of amazing thing I haven't been doing since the mid 2000s, before they were born.
Lol I'm right there with you. I don't count people who post the same thirty recycled emulator screenshots on Ganker as real people, admittedly, and I haven't met any real people who emulate games that talk about emulation as if it's some sort of arcane knowledge reserved for the elite like these weirdos do. The kind of person you're describing sounds insufferable.
And OG hardware owners don't actually play games, either. They just take pictures of it with their funkopops while making an :O-face to post on Reddit.
I don't even know of any options for those consoles aside from RPCS3 and PCSX2, honestly. The sticky in /vr/ has a link to the Emulation General wiki which should have more info, but I doubt you'd be better served by anything other than those two.
rather than best, the only ones we have are PCSX2 and RPCS3, respectively.
Well, there's stuff like play! and AetherSX2, but the former cant run shit and the latter is for phones.
>they could be emulating ps2 games >instead of paying me for my overpriced rotting discs and broken controllers and overpriced analog meme cables >this is unacceptable
The interesting thing about people defending native console play and hating on emulators, they always seem to post high res screenshots from an emulator to show you how good PS2 games looked.
PS2 games even on a CRT had a huge problem with aliasing.
If you want problems with aliasing, go look at FF8 while in combat on a CRT.
The "you're the most handsome guy here" meme doesn't even compare. It looks like a cross between NES and pixelation censorship.
that's because they cherry pick cutscenes and moments with high poly model renders
FFX in actual gameplay looks like shit
the only reason crt looks decent is because it's blurry and dark and has color blending+triads
SO you're playing the original Japanese release I take it? Back in the PS2 days, some stuff got patched between regional releases. e. g, Tales of the Abyss added some special attacks for the characters in the American version. Japan did not see this special attacks until the Japanese released of the 3DS ports like ten years later or something.
If I could read japanese, nah it's just the day 1 American release, Re4 has something similar funny enough The OG gamecube has weapon balancing unlike the other ports, iirc the tmp had higher damage
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RE4 is drastically different aside from that change on the PS2 which is kinda neat. There's less enemies on-screen at any given moment in the PS2 version since it just isn't as strong as the GameCube.
Bummer, I liked both cameras a lot and actually prefer the original since it just feels like MGS2. The levels are designed around it, but the regular camera is kinda busted on higher difficulties, admittedly.
In my case it's the higher difficulties, trying to go for foxhound with the traditional camera feels busted (to me) guards will see you miles away off camera leading to some annoyances, but I supposes thats how it was mean to be played, slow and methodical
Yup, that's exactly what I was getting at. Sometimes guards can see you before you see them. You gotta pop into first-person mode more often to keep that from happening.
I wish it was like mgs2, where even being seen you still had time to react to silence a guard before they got an alert off, but 3 it's an instant alert
What's the point of playing games on an emulator when you can't see hours played or show off to your friends how much you played or get any achievements?
This reminds of that guy who once wanted to make an old fashion looking film roll type video. With the occasional screen tearing and flickering effect. So he bought the hardware, ran his video through it. And then made the software to emulate the same effect near perfectly (or at least enough to convince him, his own biggest critic presumably). And then he open-sourced the whole thing for everyone to use. And this was over a decade ago now.
Yes you can objectively put film roll video in software and perfectly compare a recreation. This is not possible with CRT's. Thank you for understanding.
I have said exactly why it is not possible. a image can not properly capture what a CRT looks like, and a modern screen cannot perfectly capture the glare and light up of individual phosphors that are inherent to a CRT, along with other small aspects fundamental to the display technology, so it simply cannot be perfectly replicated to the point they are absolute. Perhaps to you it is fine, but I am a hyper OCD perfectionist so I strive for the superior option.
works on my machine
Most emulators work, but i do think that there needs to be focus on Graphics Packs and Patches for 60fps that can be crowdsourced like CEMU or Dolphin Emulator does for games to let people download from certain sites.
Every emulator I've tried has had a few embarrassing problems that everyone denies or pretends doesn't exist, or says "c-console is worse" when I've tried both and can prove it's not.
Emulation defenders are a bunch of lying fags.
who cares?
pretty much my experience here.
"hey this popular game has clear issues that plugins aren't fixing"
then everyone runs and insist emulation is superior to real hardware
eh
it's both
It's superior because you can run it in 4K in 60 FPS with extra tweaks, filters or with increased speed
It's worse because there will always be inaccuracies, weird glitches etc. The bottom line it's good enough if you can play on PC for free. Nobody should say they're the best way to experience games, but having no og hardware it's the second best thing.
>and insist emulation is superior to real hardware
Granted consoles that output in interlaced format like 90% PS2 and a good chunk of GC games really benefit from a forced progressive scan mode that emulators offer. PS2 hardware was just the worst offender when it came to interlaced content which is difficult to display on LCD/OLED TVs.
t.people that haven't tried an emulator in the last 15 years.
>plugins
lol, let me guess your one of those fags you still have some PCSX2 build from 2013
>emulation is superior to real hardware
This depends on how many hundreds of shekels you're willing to pay for used 20 year old hardware or software
see
the games usually work fine with or without fixes
uncharted 1 still runs like utter dogshit on a 13900k it's cheaper to just buy a used ps4 and pirated the games on that
bro your youtube?
???
hes saying watch your movie game on youtube newhomosexual
are people really still using that outdated meme
Are you retarded, I play it on a 10900k 4k 30 fps. Use the LLVM decompiler.
>30fps
yeah, your problem? games in the 00s were optimized for that framerate, anything higher can break the game
while I enjoyed it at 60 you are right about it breaking games, demons souls was one that comes to mind, the ai feels "off" when its at 60 and higher, it's hard to describe they either seem more aggressive
>Every emulator I've tried has had a few embarrassing problems that everyone denies or pretends doesn't exis
what a baffling lie
>You've tried jack shit
>Every emulator I've tried has had a few embarrassing problems
yeah maybe like 10 years ago, PS2 emulation is one of the only ones you still need to fuck around with hacks and settings for
Here to second this. Outside of a MiSTer you’re better off with original hardware. Personally though, my favorite is console mods. Fun to do and fun to play.
You've never used a NES, SNES, GBA, GBC, Genesis emulator? You've never used MAME or FBA?
name a stable N64 emulator thats not dogshit, i'll wait
rmg
mupen64plus, there are GUI versions if you're a tech-illiterate zoom
project64 you fucking newfag.
translation: "I am a fucking retarded zoomer that doesn't know how to use a computer and doesn't even know what a file directory is"
Lmao at the seething replies
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its just weird for ps2 because you can buy a used ps2 a harddrive and good cables for like 150 to download and play every game on the system ever.
all emulation has probelms they wouldnt get so many patches if they didnt but pcsx2 is doubly shit.
Okay, where's the proof?
>then everyone runs and insist emulation is superior to real hardware
This doesn't happen. Ever.
Emulation is in the vast majority of cases superior to the real thing.
t. owner of 25 different consoles
I say it because it is.
works on my machine
yeah? like what?
Learn to configurate your emulator.
ps2 still emulates worse than the fucking switch anymore
i've played every switch release this year comfortably on my pc but still have a physical ps2 for those games if i want to go back
retard
>ps2 emulates worse than the switch
why do you make up complete bullshit?
because it's true? you can play totk on either switch emu out of the box without a problem. then try to play vice city on pcsx2 and tell me how it looks without finding a settings profile.
>emulating vice city for no reason when there's a pc port with prepackaged mod packs that is better in everyway
yup it's a certified retard
Try using PCSX2 Nightly. It's like Night and day literally. The problem with Switch Emulators is that they are not as easy to setup.
Ryujinx-Has terrible Library setup while Yuzu is easy like Citra for a double click, does not support Async shaders, does not tell you if 60fps mods are setup. Great controller setup and easily works with games.
Yuzu-Async Shaders, Easy Library setup. Controller setup is weird and has issues working sometimes in games.
PCSX2-Put your path where your roms are in the folder, Controller sets up seamlessly, supports Async. Best of all 3, easy to understand icons. Frontend by Steznek from Dolphin.
Switch Emulators need to up their game and ease of use. PCSX2 still is better in that regard and is not a pain.
I'm not going to use nightlys. Their buggy and can crash your computer.
ok, I'm still going to emulate
Everyone who complains about emulation, it's due to some obscure game having an issue that the emulator devs likely never heard about, because nobody plays those games.
>when I've tried both and can prove it's not.
Me too, and I can prove that it is. I'm also not a retard (unlike you) lol
Then prove it homosexual or shut the fuck up.
id rather emulate than subject myself to the """"""""""""remasters"""""""""""
I'm playing Perfect Dark with K&M at locked 60fps. I have no idea what are you talking about.
you do realize the pc port is done right?
>Make vague statement about emulation related issues
>Proceed to not give any context or explain what issues are they talking about
Neat, now GTFO of here.
The only good emulator is Mesen, because NES games are the only games that matter.
>Play Perfect Dark on P64
>Straight up doesn't work without a bunch of dicking around + downloading fixes
>Play game
>Still runs like shit, going from massive frames down to -20 whenever something major is being rendered
Had a lot of fun doing that
I don't emulate for quality I emulate because original copies of mario sunshine cost three hundred dollars
super mario sunshine looks better on dolphin than it does on console thanks to the fact that it has hd textures
you're shitting me I paid 28 bucks for that game at a flea market seven years ago
Big thing....
Why can i run like 99% of ps2 games from an hdd, working as intended, and emulator always have problems?
>Every emulator I've tried
So you never tried to emulate anything under the PS2, did you?
Or gamecube
console is worse
Holy shit, the amount of replies. How will emulationfags ever recover?
This has been my experience specifically with anything that isn't on the NES, SNES, PS1, any flavor of Game Boy, an old PC or an arcade machine. These people get so damn angry about getting called out on it, too.
Yes people do tend to be angry at retards who don't know what they're talking about. This new to you?
It's when people brush audio issues in particular under the rug that it genuinely gets under my fucking skin.
>normies on twitter defending MGS1 having audio issues on the new collection because of emulator bug
lmao, funny thing is the newer emulators don't have that issue
>Buy a MiSTer
>Relax
Feels good man.
>hardware emulation is totally different than software emulation
retard
sometimes it's worse like raspberrypi
>pay money for something that's no more accurate than retroarch and has more input lag
Why would you do this to yourself?
Not him, but they are pretty neat. My dad bought one, and having used it I can say that I totally get the appeal. It feels great to use.
>or says "c-console is worse"
The only case when it is true is while playing jrpgs, having the ability to fast forward outweights any graphical glitches.
You don't see bait this good every day, bravo
His village will be fed for the rest of the winter with a haul like that
My only experience with N64 emulation. Dear god PS1 used to be bad, but Duckstation came in and saved the day.
goo means its bad?
I can't keep up with this youngspeak
Goo- means someone was in the process of saying good but stopped due to glaring flaws. Get with the times old man.
>not changing de-interlacing settings
>not downloading the de-interlaced cutscenes mod
>not outputting real 480i to a CRT
NGMI
You can't output 480i to a CRT monitor though. You need a TV.
This is what I meant thoughbeit
Outputting to a CRT TV is very difficult with a modern computer.
>old graphics card with vga out
>vga2ntsc or component converter
very difficult
>modern
>old graphics card
Pascal cards like the 1080 Ti were the last batch with VGA output, they're still fine for modern vidya, just no raytracing/DLSS etc support. And they work fine on Windows 10/11 obviously.
VGA can't output 480i.
Doesn't matter, you won't see the dithering like shown in the OP pic on a CRT TV screen, it will all blend together.
>Windows
>Using an old GPU
No thanks
ah a troonix user, should've just stated that from the beginning
On linux you just output 480i, you know it's just a normal resolution, you don't need hacks.
Call me back when you don't have screen tearing and can do 144hz properly
You can already get those if you aren't a nVidia cuck.
>no CUDA
enjoy being left behind when it comes to AI
nooo not the heckin AI porn
not the hecking nu-vidya goyslopperino ahahaha
>all he can think of is porn and vidya
Nevermind, troonix users are actual retards
If you use your PC for work you are extremely likely to be an actual emasculated troon. I fucking hope you use your PC for porn and video games.
You are definitely unemployed
Wrong. Manual labor. I'm sure you'll start to pass any day now.
sucking your boyfriends cock isn't manual labor
Neither is dilating despite doing it full-time.
Thank you for doing my drywall, Pedro. If you'll excuse me, I'm gonna go back to not getting addicted to painkillers by the time I'm 35
>he says as his health rapidly deteriorates from being little more than a sedentary eater for 7 days a week
But at least you wont get any owwies and have a winkle at age 40 🙁
AMD generates AI waifus fine. Only thing I don't have is AI upscaling but waifu2x is better for anime anyway.
Not really, you just need something like this. Then connect it to a PC CRT monitor with VGA.
CRTs for PCs are 30kHz minimum, 480i is 15kHz unless you run it at 120 fields/sec
True but why would I run interlaced shite in the first place if I have the option? If I'm running actual hardware I really don't have an option but thankfully only the PS2 and GC were dogshit enough to force interlaced content at basically gunpoint.
Because the issue OP is describing is exactly the fact that e.g. PS2 cutscenes are interlaced video rather than progressive video. They look like ass on anything that isn't an interlaced video pipeline for the full 100%, front-to-back. If it's not, then at some point or other the interlaced video has to convert to progressive video by being deinterlaced and that tends to never come out nicely.
OP is also a duplicitous homosexual because connecting a real PS2 to a current day LED TV would give the exact same result where either the TV has to perform the conversion from interlaced to progressive; or you'd have the PS2 configured to output a progressive signal (which it can do over a component cable, iirc) and have the PS2 itself perform the deinterlacing. In both cases, you get the same combing.
This. Not to mention the fact only like three ps2 games actually support progressive scan and persona 3 is not one of them. There is a homebrew app, "GSM Mode Selector" or something that can allow you force 480p but it either causes crashes or fucked up 8:7 aspect ratio most of the time.
>PS2 configured to output a progressive signal (which it can do over a component cable, iirc) and have the PS2 itself perform the deinterlacing
The PS2 can't actually output a progressive video signal for most of its games due to being shit hardware. Even if you hack your PS2 only a handful of games can be forced to output in progressive mode. If you want to have a good time you are better off paying alot of money for an OSSC Pro with linedoubling and deinterlacing or something similar.
>upscalers
don't do shit for the ps2
it's just a shit console and it's video issues are unfixable, i hope sony sucks dick in hell forever because i love the ace combat games and they all look like ass regardless of display
I hope life gets better for you soon buddy.
>uhm who hurt you? tier post
have a nice day
PS2 games require CRTs to even look remotely okay but you can just tolerate it and put it at 1080p anyways
I could always put shaders on but I'm simply too lazy to attempt it and even then it's buggy
i have three decent 15khz crts (a 20 inch flat trinitron, a 27 inch flat trinitron and a 27 inch flat sharp) and through component it looks like shit on all three of them
it's just a shit console and the fact it has good games makes it worse since they're stuck on that pile of garbage
and they still look infinitely better than any lcd
And there's also the fact that the OP image is from an FMV which is encoded as interlaced, so even if you forced a PS2 to output progressive scan and had a patch specifically for the game, the video would still be interlaced.
It's actually stupid easy with super resolutions.
I use a cheap chinese converter that literally just works.
-CRT Emudriver is free
-The required graphics cards are approx $20 on ebay.
-Transcoders are cheap also.
What on earth are you talking about?
>just download this obscure software that I haven't vetted and buy a bunch of old, obscure hardware
ah yes very easy
>You can't output 480i to a CRT monitor though
Yes you can. Just need the right ones. My Dell CRT from 1997 can do interlacing, even has an option for 50% scan in its menu.
Every CRT monitor supports interlacing, but that doesn't mean they support 15kHz too.
>Every CRT monitor supports interlacing
Not late PC ones. My 445 Pro doesn't support an interlaced signal of any kind. Nor does it support any resolution below 480p.
>Just output your emulated image on a crt tv bro
>don't forget to have an old gpu to actually connect the thing with your converter though
You don't actually do this. You don't actually think this is in any way better or more convenient than just having a PS2.
You lost me at having to download a mod to fix something. SAHWY. BUH BYE.
PS2 games are inherently interlaced you retarded zoomer.
This
>You can't output 480i to a CRT monitor though.
The dumbest post of the day
>retard don't know what's happening on the screen
lmao
The PS2 couldn't even render at 1080p. On what fucking planet would playing physical PS2 games on a 20 year old console be better than playing them on a modern PC using a superior emulator that is updated regularly to this day?
>superior
heh
This one. The games just werk, and they don't even look bad at 240p or 480i. I honestly prefer the way a PS2 through an upscaler looks to the way most games look emulated and upscaled to 1080p.
you are huffing copium and waiting minutes for loading bars
Nah, man. It's my actual opinion. I am happy to see that PCSX2 is actually good nowadays, but I prefer the lower resolution look and using original controllers. Loading times really aren't long enough to bother me, especially since I just play everything off of a hard drive.
For me personally, it depends on the kind of game it is. I have a CRT SNES set up but fuck if I'm going to play an RPG without fast forward and sleep mode
Maybe I'm a stickler about this kind of shit, but I just don't bother playing games where I feel the need to fast forward through stuff. I still like JRPGs, too, I just drop ones that are so boring that I find myself wanting to fast forward through stuff.
Looks just fine on a CRT or through an upscaler with deinterlacing to me. You type like a homosexual """""btw""""""
I get that, but I feel conflicted on my end. Chrono Trigger has immaculate art direction and atmosphere and I love it for that alone, but I replayed it recently and just can't get over how dull the combat is now. I feel like fast forward is good for instances like that where so much of what I like about the experience is still intact but there are still parts that really don't do anything for me.
>one word sets the hardware autist off
Kek I'm glad I made you so mad, I'm playing your games better and for free. have a nice day btw
I play 'em for free too, anon. I also don't really play video games for the sake of feeling like I'm getting a better deal or playing the game in a better form than somebody out there. I'm also not autistic which is probably the most unbelievable thing I've typed in this thread.
You have a huge complex over playing "my" games.
>I'm also not autistic
I don't believe you
You were being a giant homosexual and I put you in your place, rightfully so because I immediately touched a nerve. Lmao!!
I read it and came to the conclusion that he's a much bigger homosexual than me. Can you make it easier for me to understand? I'm clearly not getting it.
All I really see is that guy sperging out about me just having a different preference than his own and thinking he epically pwned me for calling him a homosexual for being a homosexual.
you know what? I take it back you are one of the good homosexuals
Thanks, fellow homosexual.
>thought he was special for using original controllers
>defended 480i as "not looking bad"
>immediately had sperg rage at the thought of emulators outperforming his set up
Autistic homosexual
The only one of these I actually did was the second one. I don't think I'm special for owning a PS2. They made a lot of those. I also didn't sperg rage at the thought of PCSX2 outperforming the PS2. It's just objectively true that PCSX2 runs PS2 games better than a PS2 does. It just isn't what I prefer to use.
Can I help you with anything?
>concedes cause he knows I'm right
Not only are you autistic you're also a pussy. Kek!
Let it all out, anon. Project even more of your insecurities onto me over, uh, the right way to play "my" games.
pay attention to what
said. really try and take it in
I use the original controllers for all my emulators. 480i looks like dogshit btw
>but I prefer the lower resolution look
There's literally nothing stopping you from using pcsx2 the way you want
the only reason you go with high resolution is because
1. you are lazy and stupid and don't want to bother with windowscast
2.you like having widescreen
You really think I don't know how to use something as simple as PCSX2? I already own a PS2 and just don't see any point in using an emulator over it. You sound like one of those guys who posts about people getting "filtered' by RetroArch. I just prefer using the console I already own instead of an emulator.
Was there a funny cartoon that was supposed to go with this post or what
It's my honest to god preference. I just don't really feel like I'm missing out on much by playing the games as they were originally released.
>just don't see any point in using an emulator over it.
Not playing in 480i
>I use a crt
Autist.
I use an upscaler, ackshually. I do still keep a CRT around but don't use it nearly as often.
do whatever you want but I'm just saying it works fine if you want to have it as close as possible to real hardware experience without having to use broken controllers
the pressure sensitive button shit was honestly stupid and just annoying and makes no logical sense even now
>broken controllers
I took pretty good care of my controllers and actually managed to snag a new in box controller for a few bucks not too long ago. It was one that was released around the time the PS3 was new so it doesn't have rumble, but it does have a very long cable. It's nice.
I know it's a hard sell in the real hardware vs. PCSX2 pissing contest thread, but it's true. If I were autistic I'd be telling these guys they're not really playing the games when they emulate them, but all I've said here is that I just prefer to use a PS2 instead of an emulator. PCSX2 is good, but it just isn't what I prefer to use.
>Was there a funny cartoon that was supposed to go with this post or what
I just figured I'd let your utter retardation speak for itself.
he expects us to believe he isn't huffing copium
>couldn't even render at 1080p
You say this as if it isn't over 20 years old
Persona didn't have progressive scan on the PS2 so it would actually look like the bottom without some de-interlacing done to it by the TV/Framemeister/OSSC etc.
retrotink and retrogem have a better deinterlacing algorithm and doesn't have that issue. OSSC might with the newest firmware.
The Persona 3 cutscenes were always encoded like shit. Straight emulation isn't going to fix that, homosexual.
Jokes on you, homosexuals. My computer is so fucking old that it emulates PS2 games perfectly.
>PCSX2 renders this interlaced video file as interlaced? what dog shit emulation
ur dum and ur brains all retarded
URGH THE EMULATOR IS SO CLUNKY THAT'S WHY I HAVE TO BUY A $70 REMAKE BECAUSE THE EMULATOR IS TOO HECKING CLUNKY
this guy
says this and looks like this but unironically
i'll buy the remake because it looks good and i want an improved modern version of the game
>i'll buy the remake because [cope]
yeah, we know
>people actually falling for the "all emulators are broken" bait
Unemulated PS2 games look more like picture related.
if it means I can play games for free from ages ago without buying a console that's marked up about 500% I can accept small fuckups
>He doesnt acquire his consoles locally for 30 dollars
NGMI
Emulator chads are in it to actually play the fucking game, not ogle the first level of 50 different games and take pictures of them for their internet boyfriends
rather they try their no-intro games for 15 minutes and then never come back again lol
Just finished up a LttP Randomizer run this morning, sorry about your attention span I guess
it's literally the opposite. original hardware chads actually focus on the game itself vs fiddling with settings, configs, and tabbing out of the game to do other things on your pc. that being said, physical coomlectors are far worse than emufags.
>fiddling with settings, configs, and tabbing out of the game to do other things on your pc
these are your own habits
>fiddling with settings, configs, and tabbing out of the game to do other things on your pc
so don't do these things? hardware cucks can do all of those things too moron
I will never understand why people are so quick to brag about not being able to focus on a single task
same. Ganker has been saying that forever too.
>pc gaming sucks because I can alt tab!!!
???
>multitasking has always been a thing
>you're a zoomer if you use more than one monitor due to attention span being low
people always revision history to fit their narrative
its 2023. being retarded, illiterate, and medicated to the gills are badges of honor.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA FUCKING STEAMBOT CHRONICLES STILL HAS THE BLACKSCREEN ON HARDWARE AND SOFTWARE RUNS LIKE BUTTTT
>buy a PS2 for "authentic" PS2 experience
>every game has several minute long loading times and run at 10 fps
>just go back to emulating games with near zero load times and 60 fps
>Didn't run his games on a harddrive or sbm
>things that never happened - the post
ps2 loads incredibly fast if load via harddrive and your being a fag with the fps slowdown and sometimes you want slowdown.
you don't really feel the massive impact of everything exploding if there's not a few seconds it goes under 20 fps in rachet deadlock
>you don't really feel the massive impact of everything exploding if there's not a few seconds it goes under 20 fps in rachet deadlock
Cope post. It's cool if it's less than half a second. I never used the harbinger because it obliterated the frame rate as well.
>talk shit about emulation
>thread gets spammed with the defense force
Hmmm, almost as if...
this thread was created to fling shit at an emulator? you're nuts
pointing out that something is broken is not shitting on it retard
>pointing out that something is broken
What is broken?
The emulation is spot-on in the OP image though.
are you for real? what the fuck do you think shitting on something means?
>if you point something you YOU"RE A HATER!!
jesus christ may god help you all
Answer the question: What is broken?
yes calling something bad is in fact, shitting on something. like the first post literally did. good christ it's not even a bad thing, you're even right in the instance. quit being an autismo.
so is criticism shitting on something even with the caveat that you like it?
yes
d
>good
It's excellent for the majority of the games
why are people who play on emulators so fragile when it comes to the topic? they are always incredibly defensive about it
i think you're taking a slang term a little too close to heart dude
>emulation is perfect it just gets patched multiple times a day for years
what is it patching if its perfect? its fine to play on emulators, better than not playing but to argue theres zero inaccuracies is insane to me
>nooo!!! emulation bad!!!
>PLOX BUY OUR CONSOLES INSTEAD
>t. organic poster without an agenda
oh yes sony is really paying people to shill others to buy 2nd hand ps2s anon.
>fostering FOMO to drive up prices in the secondhand game market? Nobody's ever done that. Please watch my used game store's new epic video about the top 10 most underrated PS2 games 🙂
real schizo hours? i mean nobody is even telling you to buy the games just buy a fucking harddrive and mc boot card or make one yourself retard
>drive up prices
lmao i bought a ps1 on marketplace for 20 bucks, do you zoomers just expect everything to be free if its not the newest goyphone??
I doubt they pay you, like jannies... you all do it for free
No, but there just so happens to be a remake of the game coming out in a few months
OP and co aren't spreading FUD to drive up used game prices, they're trying to shill $100+ shitty upscalers:
heh, and it's not the good ones too
I have a feeling these anti emulator threads are due to the mario rpg getting leaked a week early lmao
Just play the remake in 2 months
have a problem with the emu, just look it up, theres 10000s of guides out there for every issue
Emulation isn't perfect but almost every single imperfection, especially ones like in the OP, fall squarely in the 'who fucking cares' territory.
If (free) emulation is going to break my desire to play a game it's gotta be something way more intrusive than artifacting on cutscene videos
>have CRT with component
>hook up PS2
>boot up an early game (2000-2003)
>feels like knives are stabbing into my eyes because everything is razor sharp with no antialiasing and no interlacing flicker filter like GCN and Xbox games all had by default
There's not a lot you can do to make PS2 look good, unfortunately. It just comes with the territory.
Looks good on my retrotink 5x, but it really is a game by game basis. I still have a crt on the side for ps2 and the few consoles that look like crap upscaled like the Master system and Pc engine.
Retrotink has a really good deinterlacing mode. The games without a deflicker filter probably look better running through that than they do on a CRT. There's some PS2 games that let you turn deflicker on or off like Tekken 4, and it makes a huge difference.
Why do fags go out of their way to get offended about software you are meant to tweak when it's a free way to play pretty much every game in existence?
no world there is where a emulator has 0 settings you don't need to fix besides old 8bit and 16 shit and in most cases you have to disable graphical effects to even get high resolution looking decent on dolphin where pcsx2 this is never a issue
pcsx2 is genuinely better than dolphin
Dolphin's only edge is that it has freecam. PCSX2 got texture support so
Most emulators just work once you set them up the way you want. PCSX2 requires you to tweak settings on a per game basis and if you're lucky you won't have too many audio/video bugs.
you are completely wrong
Stop using shit emulators like ZSNES and ePSXe you absolute fucking mongs, it's been 20 years there's better software now.
>there's better software now
even the best nintendo 64 emulator is still broken in many aspects
stop denying basic shit
dolphin is dogshit rpcs3 is dogshit xemu is dogshit
Just use Retro Arch, mupen core.
RPCS3, Xemu, and PCSX2 are the trifectra of buggy, broken emulation.
Look at all the emulators for other consoles and handhelds, they're essentially perfect.
I wish xemu was better so I could finally fucking play Ninja Gaiden Black, but my standards are too high from other emulators to put up with its constant hitching and slowdown issues. Luckily it doesn't seem too hard to mod an original Xbox.
>just use retroarch
what do you think I been using?
I'm not computer illiterate like the rest of the retards on this board
>wrong
>wrong
>dogshit dogshit dogshit
>everyone is retarded except me
>wrong
What an insufferable homosexual you are
thanks but have you tried to emulate sega saturn? no? too bad your opinion is worthless and you should have a nice day
I played through Nights and Falcom Classics Vol1 on the Deck a few months ago and both were totally fine
incredibly wrong
>pcsx2 is genuinely better than dolphin
in my opinion dolphin was the worst emulator around before they fixed the shader caching
In my EXPERIENCE dolphin is the only emulator that just werks, without any tweaking.
yeah NOW
but it used to be if you didnt go out of your way to find shader files youd have to deal with ungodly hitching anytime a new effect played
PCSX2 troons hate Dolphin because it makes them look like the hacks they are.
>can't render bloom at higher resolutions in nintendo games that been focused on for years
>while pcsx2 never has to do anything to fix graphical effects
the only troon here is you
you deny basic reality
re4 crashes on dolphin.. otherwise it would be peak experience
Zoomers are way too dumb
Dolphin is only the cleanest, most efficient, and accurate 3d emulator out there.
Retard.
>most accurate
nope
>most efficient
nope
>cleanest
you only say this shit because you are a poorfag retard who cannot understand downloading bios and not having a computer from 2012
Notice how you failed to provide a single alternative. I accept your concession.
so you're saying pcsx2 is better huh?
>he thinks dolphin is the only version of a gamecube/wii emulator
>but forks don't count!
>so you're saying pcsx2 is better huh?
How did you come to this conclusion? Try reading again.
yeah but prime hack is better than dolphin
despite it was built on it
>makes motion controls easy on a controller
>no nonsense no fucking around with settings
Mate, you've gone full retard. I don't think you are following the conversation.
That doesn't even look like a emulator issue. Isn't that a deinterlacing issue? That would still happen with 480i video on a modern display.
>Isn't that a deinterlacing issue? That would still happen with 480i video on a modern display.
Yep. A real PS2 hooked up to an LCD would look identical to PCSX2.
nah tvs have built in deinterlacing
And you can't use that with PCSX2 because...?
The point is that the output of a PS2 and the output of PCSX2 is exactly the same. What you use after doesn't matter (and could be applied to both anyway).
I genuinely fucking hate the PCSX2 team. The amount of damage they did to PS2 emulation is unreal. This shit should be prefect by now.
you are mentally retarded
go bundle some more adware in the installer, tranny
>installing emulators
I repeat, you are mentally retarded
>I genuinely fucking hate the PCSX2 team.
I think all of us realized by thread #34503 already, no need to make more threads.
Is the concept of a lot of people hating them difficult to cope with?
>amount of damage they did to PS2 emulation is unreal
You have brain damage or a deformed brain? or both?
The amount of progress done on the ps2 emulator in last 3 years in insane.
2.0 soon.
wowee 20 years and they're finally making progress
>The amount of progress done on the ps2 emulator in last 3 years in insane
It is insane that it took that long for them to actually accomplish something I agree. Although I don't even believe you that they did something impressive. They are useless fucks.
PS3, Xbox 360, Wii U and Switch emulation has been running better for me for the last 2 years than PCSX2 ever did.
That retard is clueless. The only reason there was any kind of progress is because the duckstation dude took over. The original team who made the software were worthless. It's still not good enough even with the improvements in its current state though.
>The amount of damage they did to PS2 emulation is unreal.
How. Was there some better team of ps2 emulator devs that were assassinated by the pcsx2 team?
PCSX2 usual shit
Just depends on the game, and ones that have issues usually have mini-communities surrounding them for fixes and patches
i just played spartan total warrior and it was fine
emulation is free so its better 100% of occasions 100% of the time regardless of everything else
tbh i remember trying to play Destroy All Humans on PCSX2 a couple years ago, and it was either 4 fps, or weird pitch black graphical anomalies, depending on how I fucked with the settings. Might have to give it another try
Why do you trannies have to lie?
because they want children to be scared of emulation because apparently changing a 0 to a 1 is scary and complicated despite pcsx2 comes with settings already predone for you automatically
tbh 'a couple years' turned out to be 8, going by the file date, so i'm sure it improved since then.
Why are you even playing tranime trash?
>its almost 2024 and he's still not yet gaming on a CRT.
my shaders looks about as good as the real thing and I don't give a fuck
>j.just use black cock insertion.
>something you won't notice unless you are speed runner
smell ya later stinky
>cuts your brightness in half
And? CRTs aren't bright compared to even early LCDs. A modern LCD at 100% brightness with ULMB/BFI will still be twice as bright as the best CRTs.
so just like the real thing
>crts being bright lamo
>I love having shit colors and my games having crushed blacks
Crtnaggers need to take off their rose glasses
that's how those games looked
and it is intended
if you don't like it
hope you enjoy staring at sharp hard pixels that look shit
The colors and contrast of even shit CRTs are better than literally anything besides an OLED, and OLEDs are ruined by dimming zones.
the majority of us got rid of our crts before 2010 zoomie
>my trinitron died when lightning hit my home
>owner of the college rental wanted to give me his trinitron but I had no room in my car for it, so I left it
I should have rented a fucking u-haul for that trinitron alone.
CRTs are not being made for consoomers anymore. I want a CRT monitor, but no one's producing them.
ULMB is close enough. Nice to have a 16:9 LCD that takes up no space and can emulate a CRT to the point I can't tell the difference.
High refresh rate monitors are a meme. 120fps ULMB is the real answer to motion blur.
Playing on CRT is a pain, everything is way too small.
Finding 22"+ CRT monitor is almost impossible.
It's just interlacing artifacts because you're playing on a modern LCD and not an interlaced CRT. Retard.
I've never had to pay for an emulator and I've played thousands of hours of vidya on them, so I can't summon the fucking audacity to complain.
Literally what the fuck is wrong with the bottom image. This shit is why i hate fidelity fags so much, if the game isn't crashing, giving you seizures or its plainunbeatable then there's nothing wrong with it
>Literally what the fuck is wrong with the bottom image.
It's interlaced, working as intended. Not knowing and recognizing it gives away your age.
I for one am enjoying connecting my original systems to my retrotink 5x hooked to my 50" samsung hd tv and playing with bluetooth controllers, the combined total latency of which is still inferior to 4ms and looks godlike.
Fuck emulators, fuck 14" crt displays, and fuck poorfags. I haven't had this much fun playing since I was a kid.
sounds like cope of some sort
My total hour count emulating and playing on crts is probably higher than the hours most of this board users have been alive.
I am getting older so I am choosing comfort. And getting on the couch, plugging and playing, 0 tinkering and image quality being pretty much perfect on a huge display is just unbeatable to me.
Also I'm tired of wired controllers. I have been using a DS4 to play PSX and PS2 recently and it's just perfect.
>retrotink
more like retrotwink
that's cool and all but I like my emulators and being able to play anything without having to hoard plastic and spending hundreds of dollars just on adapters and absurd meme shit just to get a remotely decent experience
ideally you would have bought these old games 20 or so years ago when they were dirt cheap at babbages
ideally isn't exactly as ideal as you say it is
not only would I have to hold onto a ancient tv and somehow keep it despite having a life to live and to survive the economy being shit
Unless its a big crt that weighs a fuckton I dont see whats so hard about keeping it. I've had the same television in my bedroom for 13 years after moving 4 times
>if you want to play old games just buy them 20 years ago
what the fuck is this post
I'm sorry you were born too late
What does rev mean?
Revision
basically the difference between a launch copy a updated copy
often games come with small changes sometimes better sometimes worse
typically it's just bug fixes and something dumb as adding dualshock support on like a ps1 game
Why is this allowed?
that's just how it was back in the day
you bought a game and if it was unplayable you just returned it and if you didn't get greatest hits etc because of autism over colors you got a worse version of a game
whats there to allow? how else would devs push out updates to games that needed bug fixes? day 1 patches didnt always exist. newer revisions was the only viable solution.
That's like asking why it's allowed to patch games nowadays. If you're that autistic about it you can just download/buy the original version. It was rare that there would be any changes beyond fixes for bugs 99.99% of players would ever encounter without specifically looking for them.
ohhhhh this is a retroarch guy thread. lol
nope emulation in general
but OP is a homosexual
Too bad N64 controls like dogshit without an official controller.
I like launching PCSX2 and jumping into the game, upscaled, at a higher framerate and clear image (can use software rendering where clarity makes games look bad, also done with the press of a button). You do you though!
what causes those lines
I have a 5X too. It's great. I use it all the time on an LG panel the same size as yours. The deinterlacing works extremely well. I get great captures out of my old consoles for streams with it, too. My only complaint about it is the price.
PCSX2 has plenty of interlacing settings to fix this you fucking retards
>buy device that supposed to support pressure buttons on official controllers
>doesn't work
>plug in dualshock 3 with DSHMC
>works perfectly
wasted 60 fucking dollars
>he actually bothered with pressure meme shit instead of just ignoring it except for mgs where you rebind it to trigger
I don't play dog fighter shit except for snoopy
>what is deinterlacing
the smartest "just emulate bro" fag
why the fuck there is only one ps2 emulator anyway?
make your own then
Because it's perfect and plays 99% of the library despite the hardware trannies crying about it
Fellas, just woke up from a 10 year coma, how is 360/ps3 emulation?
Do I need a NASA PC?
>how is 360/ps3 emulation?
I just want to emulate shadows of the damned...
RPCS3 is much better than it was even a few years back. The problem is that you need anything beyond a 12th series Intel to run RPCS3 at 4k and 60fps. I do fucking wish though that RPCS3 did refine the XMB menu so it's not just an emulated menu but it can do more like go online, play music, put in themes from back in the day and refine a bit of the Rendering to have textures, SFX look better overall.
You mean it you want it to emulate an actual PS3 all the way down to it's OG firmware?
That would be cool. As it stands the XMB was not worth the effort to play with, because it felt laggy even for my 7700x.
Speaking of which; I was running it paired with an old 970 and that struggled to do 720p60 because of it. So RPCS3 can be somewhat GPU-limited. 4k60 is a lot to ask for, so don't go thinking you can do it with a 1060.
Yes
Retard.
PS3 is near perfect. 360 is wonky as fuck. You don't need a nasa PC.
>PS3 is near perfect
why would you just go on the internet and lie like that?
It's so good in fact you can play mgs4 on a mid range PC now. Lol
Really? Here I thought my MGS marathon would be brought to a halt, this is good news.
He's lying, you still need some beast PC to play MGS4, and it crashes every hour or 2.
Retard no it does not. The canary patch prevents crashes. You have outdated information.
>its so good bro you can play 4 ps3 games!!
If I can't play warhawk or motorstorm it isn't good.
Their last upload is motorstorm being played at 4k 60 lmao
xenia is hit or miss and it makes me upset, red dead is good, saints row is okay (I used to think the dotted windows was a emulator bug but turns out thats in the original as well) asked about mass effect 1 and got a solid "it's still borked"
Some games need a specific plugin, build or toggle to fix a common issue between the engines. The general release won't have these fixes because they usually break something in a more commonly played game catastrophically.
SMT games are among that list that want a special build. That or you deal with either the interlacing, or you deal with shadows being on top of models.
Works on my machine.
>B-but
Works on my machine.
I like how emulation kind of gatekeeps itself since it scares off computer-illiterate retards who can't understand settings and/or troubleshoot issues.
Proof? This thread
Can Klonoa 2 be emulated yet? It's so expensive
if you aren't on winblows 7/95 yeah
you can
I beat klonoa 2 using pcsx2 in 2020.
Yes. Also FreeDVDBoot is a thing for PS2 now, so there's no need to deal with absurd used game prices even if you want to play on original hardware.
Back in my day, we used Swap Magic. I still have the disc, but it's kill.
>AYCKTUALLY THE PIXELS ARE SLIGHTLY WRONG IN THIS ANIMATED CUTSCENE SO THIS EMULATOR IS UNPLAYABLE
Anti-Emulation fags are either severely autistic or just trolling. Emulation is literally the best way to play any classic game by any modern standard. The gameplay does not deviate in almost any important way for 99% of games.
B-B-BUT IT DOESN'T RUN [GAME] FLAWLESSLY ON MY LAPTOP AND I'M TOO STUPID TO LOOK AT THE CONFIGURATION OPTIONS THOUGH!
That's a fair argument. If doesn't just work with everything optimal than it may as well be a nagger.
Change the interlacing
What do I change it to?
Tales of the abyss is still broken in this piece of shit. It's been decades since they made it and it still doesn't work. Meanwhile cemu runs everything flawlessly.
Say what you want about tendies but the fact is they actually give a shit about games. PS2 sold a gazillion units and still has no good emulator because 99.99% of the sales came from people who never gave a shit at all or stopped caring a year or two after buying.
I emulated this a decade ago just fine
That bug is more than a decade old and still doesn't have a fix retard.
is that so
You don't even know what the bug is lmao
>open paint
>fix your bug
thank me later
>cemu runs everything flawlessly.
CEMU is a BOTW emulator.
>Say what you want about tendies but the fact is they actually give a shit about games
They do not give a shit about 3DS games judging how Citra is still fucking dogshit.
Xenoblade X as well.
2 games.
This is the funniest shit, tendies always praise Nintendo emulators but they rarely have any games to actually play.
oh yeah forgot about that game.
ummmm ashukally 4
>TPHD
>WWHD
>but muh heckin color and one glitch in one spot
>>TPHD
>>WWHD
Better played on Dolphin.
>but muh heckin color and one glitch in one spot
What
literally no one gives a shit about the disgusting bloom versions of these games.
right click game > properties > fuck with shit until it's fixed you fucking retard. clearly zoomers are incapable of hands on learning and need a step by step youtube guide on everything so they can get frustrated halfway through when they realize they're using a different version and an option has been moved. also why tf would you ever want to play tales of the abyss?
>muh properties
the bug has no fix you dumbfuck KEK
What bug?
>don't know what the bug is
>u-uhmmm it's fix incel
absolute state
sure but what bug fag? can you answer the question or are you just making shit up? we know the answer already btw
I think he's talking about the MC not having a shadow
called it. what a complete retard
>KEK
>KEK
you don't fit in and are a homosexual LMFAO
Works on my machine.
lmao owned
>dude just play the japanese version
holy cope
fucking retard
If you want to give me a save for the English version I can show you it working fine there too, I don't have one. You'd have to give me time to download the game.
I thought you homosexuals loved scanlines
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>see pre-rendered cutscene
>press f9
>problem gone
I guess thats too hard for the illiterate 3rd worlders that post here though
>FUCKing retard don't know what interpolated video is
NGMI
I played burnout 3 with the black skybox
Today i leaned people are loyal to single emulators and act similar to console war homosexuals but with emulators instead. have a nice day all of You
I do not care.
I have a CRT with a PS2, GameCube, and a hacked Wii for emulation, but honestly I'm just as likely to play any of those games on my Steam Deck. Unless a game is completely broken when you emulate it, convenience is just as likely to win me over as authenticity
>emulator emulates actual console behavior
>bad
I don't get
zoom zoom
The absolute state of this retard
seething
fix your shitty software "dev"
Schizo retard, you're fussing about a solved problem. What the hell is wrong with you?
Don't lay into him too hard. He's doing his best.
>>>
Autistic people get so worked up about how other people play their bideo games.
*laughs in original hardware*
emulate all you want, you will never be a real woman.
Does OPL increase the resolution from Mega drive to something actually decent?
Use GSM, PS2 games are rarely 240p.
Trannies are way more likely to be autistic men and autistic men like to believe og hardware is meaningful. Simple logic tranny
Imagine being too poor to afford the best selling console of all time.
Who can't afford it? I just have standards
You admitted yourself, you can only play it if it's free. You're too poor.
Now you're hallucinating and making up arguments in your head. Tranny moment
>no ps2's owned
favela monkey detected
Fuck. I meant
>owning a ps2
favela monkey detected
Works on my machine.
being able to just hit enable widescreen and no interlacing and just play than fuck around with freemcboot is so much better
>but oh my god I gotta enable cheats and download them off the interwebs
jeez you only need to do this for like 3 games in existence
lessee here
>Can't use any controller you want.
That's true, I guess. OPL supports Dualshock 3 or 4, but that's it for variety. Maybe you can use something like the RetroFigther multi-gen controller.
>Can't mod or add shaders
Some mods can't be run on real hardware, some can't. It depends. You can totally mod PS2. See: all the meme characters BRs add to Dragon Ball games.
>Forced to play at native res
yeah this one sucks unless you get a CRT. 480i does look like absolute garbage on modern TVs.
>Still have to fuck with menus and settings
I guess for the initial setup that's true.
>Can use network cable to get around 2TB limit but at that point you may as well just play on PC
That can be an Issue, I suppose. I'm actually wondering why would you need more than 2TB though. Are you planning to install every single PS2 game + revisions and regional variations? I have a bunch of PS2 games on my server and I'm nowhere close to even 1TB. Also, ZSO compression is a thing.
>Some mods can't be run on real hardware, some can't
some cant, some can*
Does the network method work with a slim? I don't have a fat and I remember some games like DQ8 having broken cutscenes when loaded off the network.
Yes. It's the best you can get on a Slim as it doesn't support Hard Drive loading (unless you have one of the moddable Slims.)
UDPDP is pretty much just as fast as hard drive thoughever
Thanks bros
No
It does, but I admittedly didn’t play DQ8 that way. I played a bunch of stuff like that with no problems. Devil May Cry, MGS2 and Dragon Quest V worked perfectly, just off the top of my head.
If you wanna get really fancy you can buy a travel router, connect some storage to it and plug it into your Slim, but that’s admittedly more expensive and a little trickier to set up than just connecting to your PC.
>Crt at 50 dollars
You can get one for free if you aren't retarded
>mentioning scanlines in relation to the ps2
You're a fucking retard.
>preferences are bad okay
>you just didn't have scanlines because my tiny consumer tv did
>>you just didn't have scanlines because my tiny consumer tv did
ESL moment.
Fact is: 480i doesn't have scanlines. If you're looking really hard and you're close to the tv, you can see them a little alternating but that's a bad thing because it means you are seeing the interlacing effect. A scanline shader applies them consistently to try to emulate 240p, which is also shitty because unless you're using a 1000tvl broadcast monitor, they're not actually that thick.
Your shitty mid-line home entertainment CRT did not have scanlines. NOBODY'S did. Because the display was not high enough quality and the signal was composite. The only place you EVER saw scanlines back in the day was at the arcade, because the displays were high quality and the signals were clear and crisp output instead of blurry composite shit.
My consumer Panasonic CT-27L8G has very nice scanlines and I picked up it from some random old guy that was throwing everything out from his clearly middle class home.
Why does merely owning a PS2 make some people so mad?
Why does merely emulating a PS2 make some people so mad?
I couldn't tell you. Why's it so offensive that someone doesn't want to use an emulator?
I don't think we'll ever know since it's only gotten worse over the years lol.
Seriously I can remember people 15 years ago seething about it while I was emulating away happily. And the past like 2 years has had that one sperg making daily threads, breeding more retards.
Og hardware autists can't stand that emulation makes all their efforts moot kek everything they strive for emulation does better
resellers can't handle the fact that you can download games for free and not have to pay them for plastic bricks and overly convoluted engineered plastic boxes that are overpriced even for the amount of effort that went into them
they will flip the fuck out even further when people get HDR screens that actually work since crts will be fundamentally redundant when display tech gets good enough which means you can have the best of both worlds
scanlines and ntsc filters
That will literally never happen because of the fundamental technological differences in how CRTs and LCDs operate.
If you want to emulate the appearance of a CRT screen you can do that right now and have been able to for years. But it will never look the same as an actual CRT, because it physically can't.
Laser Phosphor Displays will be identical beitalthoughever....
>never look the same as an actual CRT, because it physically can't.
It can...
It literally, physically, can not. It is simply not possible due to how differently they both operate. You can't even take a image of a CRT that 100% accurately represents it.
There are plenty of perfectly good CRT shaders. This idea that CRT monitors are some mythical machine that can uniquely produce something that no other machine can is silly. That's like saying that soundfonts off of old chips used in games can't be emulated. Except they can and have been for many years now. Not to mention it only takes one sperg with some general shader know-how and an evening to make it. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Coping retards who spent $1000 on a PVM/BVM tend to act like the look can be emulated or replicated by stuff like the Mister,retroarch,etc.
??? A soundchip produced analog audio that can easily be put in a software and analyzed. The specific look achieved by a CRT is something you can only see in person and is created by lighting up phosphors, which creates an entirely different end product from the pixels on your LCD/OLED display.
You can do the same thing with a CRTs image. We could take two screenshots of a CRT vs Emulated CRT look and you wouldn't tell the difference. Things like grain, curvature, a TV's specific grid can all be captured.
A image does not capture what it looks like in real person. That inherently cannot be measured. You can get part of the way, but not perfectly replicate.
You aren't understanding, the look has been captured and isn't inherently unique to CRTs anymore. Those days are over.
Yes I know about Laser Phosphor Displays.
Nigga it is physically impossible to do. You're comparing a painting to a photo. They're two different things, even if they capture the same subject.
>the same thing is different because it is
nah nigga
My suHispanicions are confirmed: you are retarded. You may go now.
Explain how it's impossible instead of being a snobby homosexual. The same look can be achieved and emulator properly.
>explain
Anon, he can't. He can spout technical explainations on how the machine works. But not why it can't be reproduced beyond the magical end-all-be-all argument of "you just have to see it to believe it".
I'm convinced he's a coping retard that's trying to gatekeep something he knows nothing about.
>you can only see if IRL
yeah nah
>Audio is easy to emulate so it doesn't count
>Video on the other hand...
Are you being serious?
The way video looks on a completely different display technology =/= the way video is processed objectively like composite
Are you retarded?
>Are you retarded?
I was thinking the same thing. Imagine unironically acting like recreating sound chips is so easy. Anyone with actual ears and a good pair of headphones can easily tell the difference between the real and the recreation. Even you should know this.
>There are plenty of perfectly good CRT shaders.
No, you think CRTs look like they do in photos. Nothing you say in this matter has any value.
Why do you guys have to be so weird about emulators? Most people who use the actual consoles are happy that emulation is as good as it is these days. It means more and more people get to play these games that we like. This whole "lol hardware fags btfo" thing is so juvenile and one-sided. It's like you made up a guy to be mad at or something.
For whatever reason emulator users don't really play games despite having theoretically all of them available. At best they play 5 minutes of the most surface level shit imaginable, like Mario.
I'm willing to give these guys the benefit of the doubt and believe that they actually do play these games, but what do they get out of acting extremely autistic about emulation and trying to pretend like someone out there is seething at the thought of them emulating a game? I guess I just answered my own question. It's autism.
See I don't believe they do. I've never met an emulator user who has anything good to say about the platforms they emulate, they play games and report back utter misery. It's really sad. They then brag about emulating as if it's some sort of amazing thing I haven't been doing since the mid 2000s, before they were born.
>They then brag about emulating as if it's some sort of amazing thing I haven't been doing since the mid 2000s, before they were born.
Lol I'm right there with you. I don't count people who post the same thirty recycled emulator screenshots on Ganker as real people, admittedly, and I haven't met any real people who emulate games that talk about emulation as if it's some sort of arcane knowledge reserved for the elite like these weirdos do. The kind of person you're describing sounds insufferable.
And OG hardware owners don't actually play games, either. They just take pictures of it with their funkopops while making an :O-face to post on Reddit.
Hey, how old are you? Not that you're wrong, I'm just curious.
Old enough to know what death looks like.
That could be any age! You're one of those loathsome zoomers I keep hearing about, aren't you?
>doesn't recognize that line
I didn't, true. I didn't realize that was from Metal Gear Solid.
Hey how old are you? Not that you're being a homosexual, just curious.
I'm 28. What about you, little man? You little angry guy.
28 but types like a 16 year old! You're one of those loathsome zoomers I keep hearing about, aren't you?
Oh, I am slain. I am so owned. What are we even doing here at this point? I got what I wanted.
>This whole "lol hardware fags btfo" thing is so juvenile and one-sided.
Did you open this thread without looking at the OP?
I did, but I thought it was obvious bait to rile up the exact kind of person I was describing.
>>just put it on software bro!
>put it on software
>some fucking line in the center of the screen
Shit emulator.
What are the best emulators? Specifically for ps2 and ps3
I don't even know of any options for those consoles aside from RPCS3 and PCSX2, honestly. The sticky in /vr/ has a link to the Emulation General wiki which should have more info, but I doubt you'd be better served by anything other than those two.
rather than best, the only ones we have are PCSX2 and RPCS3, respectively.
Well, there's stuff like play! and AetherSX2, but the former cant run shit and the latter is for phones.
Why isn't there a good PS2 emulator for Android? Aethersx2 is not up to date.
>they could be emulating ps2 games
>instead of paying me for my overpriced rotting discs and broken controllers and overpriced analog meme cables
>this is unacceptable
The PS2 has an interlaced video output signal you fucking retard.
It's literally impossible for it to output the above image on an unmodded console
The interesting thing about people defending native console play and hating on emulators, they always seem to post high res screenshots from an emulator to show you how good PS2 games looked.
PS2 games even on a CRT had a huge problem with aliasing.
If you want problems with aliasing, go look at FF8 while in combat on a CRT.
The "you're the most handsome guy here" meme doesn't even compare. It looks like a cross between NES and pixelation censorship.
that's because they cherry pick cutscenes and moments with high poly model renders
FFX in actual gameplay looks like shit
the only reason crt looks decent is because it's blurry and dark and has color blending+triads
What games have you guys been emulating lately?
I recently played through DKCR (Wii version) and Tropical Freeze (Switch version)
Breath of the Wild 2
Luigi's mansion 3
MGS3 snake eater
I really dislike the fixed camera, almost feels like it was never made for it
Why not emulate Subsistence or play the PC version then?
In my autism I always want to play first releases or V 1.0 of games, don't ask why because I have no clue
SO you're playing the original Japanese release I take it? Back in the PS2 days, some stuff got patched between regional releases. e. g, Tales of the Abyss added some special attacks for the characters in the American version. Japan did not see this special attacks until the Japanese released of the 3DS ports like ten years later or something.
If I could read japanese, nah it's just the day 1 American release, Re4 has something similar funny enough The OG gamecube has weapon balancing unlike the other ports, iirc the tmp had higher damage
RE4 is drastically different aside from that change on the PS2 which is kinda neat. There's less enemies on-screen at any given moment in the PS2 version since it just isn't as strong as the GameCube.
Bummer, I liked both cameras a lot and actually prefer the original since it just feels like MGS2. The levels are designed around it, but the regular camera is kinda busted on higher difficulties, admittedly.
In my case it's the higher difficulties, trying to go for foxhound with the traditional camera feels busted (to me) guards will see you miles away off camera leading to some annoyances, but I supposes thats how it was mean to be played, slow and methodical
Yup, that's exactly what I was getting at. Sometimes guards can see you before you see them. You gotta pop into first-person mode more often to keep that from happening.
I wish it was like mgs2, where even being seen you still had time to react to silence a guard before they got an alert off, but 3 it's an instant alert
.hack
MGS 1 VR Missions, then playing the MGS Legacy Collection on RPCS3. I did beat these games before but i feel like replaying them again.
Works on my machine
>Not my problem
>people actually pay good money to worsen their free, pirated content
lol
lmao even
What's the point of playing games on an emulator when you can't see hours played or show off to your friends how much you played or get any achievements?
Emulators allow that now for people like you.
Retro Achievements now even has particle effects in Retroarch to give you a shot of zoomer dopamine.
>can't be run offline and client-sided
How apt.
You dumbasses need to learn how to play videogames
I NEVER FELT LIKE
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SO MISERABLEEE
BMAMAMBAMB
I NEVER FELT LIKE THIS WOULD LAST FOREVA
This reminds of that guy who once wanted to make an old fashion looking film roll type video. With the occasional screen tearing and flickering effect. So he bought the hardware, ran his video through it. And then made the software to emulate the same effect near perfectly (or at least enough to convince him, his own biggest critic presumably). And then he open-sourced the whole thing for everyone to use. And this was over a decade ago now.
NOOOOOOOOOO it will never be the same as the real thing, you HAVE to see it in person.
That's right. You have no credibility whatsoever in this topic.
Where's your credibility? You won't post anything lmfao.
You're right, I won't. Only an idiot would entertain some retard who admits to not know anything about the subject.
Yes you can objectively put film roll video in software and perfectly compare a recreation. This is not possible with CRT's. Thank you for understanding.
>This is not possible with CRT's because I said so
I have said exactly why it is not possible. a image can not properly capture what a CRT looks like, and a modern screen cannot perfectly capture the glare and light up of individual phosphors that are inherent to a CRT, along with other small aspects fundamental to the display technology, so it simply cannot be perfectly replicated to the point they are absolute. Perhaps to you it is fine, but I am a hyper OCD perfectionist so I strive for the superior option.
All of this can be emulated
No.
I NEVER FELT LIKE THINKIN THIS WOULD LAST FOREVA
SO IMMA SAY IT
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