Regional Forms?

How would you continue the concept of regional forms and regional fakes in the 10th generation? Do you have any ideas how to develop the concept further, or even introduce a third new biological gimmick?

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  1. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Extend rare pokemon with unique mutation beyond being just shiny and give them other unique physical mutations affecting their stats and abilities.

  2. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Regional replacements

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      what's that?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        When they make a "regional" form of a Pokemon that's been powercrept as a way to say "see we didn't forget it" but the new one is better in every way so the old one might as well just be deleted.

        See:farfetchd

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Farfetch'd was not powercrept, it has literally always been pure shit.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Raticate, Raichu, Sandslash, Rapidash, Mr. Mime, Corsola, Stunfisk, Electrode, Qwilfish, Braviary, and Decidueye have always been shit in both forms.
          Ninetales, Muk, Farfetch'd, Weezing, Typhlosion, Samurott, Lilligant, Basculin, and Goodra were always shit in their original forms and only the regionals have ever allowed them to be decent or good.
          Dugtrio, Slowbro, Zapdos, Runerigus, Avalugg, and Tentacruel are all worse as regionals than in their original forms.
          Slowking, Moltres, Sneasler, and Quagsire are all sidegrades to their originals with both forms remaining viable.
          Articuno, Persian, Tauros, Exeggutor, Golem, and Marowak have all actually been powercrept, but they've been dogshit since gen 3 and would be shit regardless of getting a regional 15 years later or not. Also only Marowak's regional is actually any good.
          Only Linoone, Darmanitan, Arcanine, and Zoroark could actually be argued as having actually been "replaced" by their regionals.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            > Ninetales, Muk, Farfetch'd, Weezing, Typhlosion, Samurott, Lilligant, Basculin, and Goodra were always shit in their original forms and only the regionals have ever allowed them to be decent or good.
            Megas would have allowed them to be good, but game freak chose make new Pokémon instead of giving any love the originals because game freak hated the originals.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              You can make a bad pokemon better in any number of ways. New moves, new abilities, new forms, new evolutions, etc. There's no reason to consider Megas the "right" way and regionals to be "wrong". Also Slowbro got both, there's no reason those Pokemon couldn't too.

              corsola, electrode, and qwilfish are massively improved by their regional forms. there's no way you're calling sirfetch'd good while acting like those other three aren't.
              goodra and ninetales original forms aren't shit.
              obstagoon plays completely differently from linoone, i'd call it a sidegrade if anything. same with arcanine.

              >corsola, electrode, and qwilfish are massively improved by their regional forms. there's no way you're calling sirfetch'd good while acting like those other three aren't.
              Corsola and Electrode are definitely improved but they are still total shit regardless. I did underrate Overqwil though, it's decent.
              >goodra and ninetales original forms aren't shit.
              Ninetales was only ever good because of the sun setter niche but Torkoal has replaced it entirely, so it'd still be shit regardless of if Alolatails existed. Goodra is just bad.
              >obstagoon plays completely differently from linoone, i'd call it a sidegrade if anything.
              For some reason I thought Galar Linoone had access to the Belly Drum/Espeed gimmick too, but it does not. So you're right, they are sidegrades.
              > same with arcanine.
              Hisui Arcanine can't do the same defensive niche original Arcanine did but it's just about objectively better as a breaker, and defensive Arc was already powercrept a long time ago.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Regular Corsola is unusably shit. Galarian Corsola is at least remembered for being an obnoxious Strength Sap fatmon. I might be splitting hairs here but it's a marked improved.

                Ninetales was only good because of Sun but it was still good.

                Goodra might be the worst pseudo but it's still a pseudo. It was never unusably bad.

                You're probably right on defensive Arc getting powercrept. I have good memories of Arcanine being decent in gens past but nobody uses Arcanine anymore.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Megas are “right” and Regionals are “wrong” because megas are something the original can use to become better, while regional are just a new Pokémon that just so happens to be related the original, but they don’t elevate the original like megas do. The Kanto and Hoeen starters essentially became gods while the original forms legend starters are still just as pointless and hated as they always were and decidueye achieved the impossible of being a complete shitmon twice. (meganium only did it once)
                New moves, new abilities, are objectively the best way because those are forever part of the Pokémon. Torkoal and Pelipper are laughing their way to the bank while Mawile is stuck begging for game freak to give its super saiyan stone back
                > Also Slowbro got both, there's no reason those Pokemon couldn't too
                Fair point

                corsola, electrode, and qwilfish are massively improved by their regional forms. there's no way you're calling sirfetch'd good while acting like those other three aren't.
                goodra and ninetales original forms aren't shit.
                obstagoon plays completely differently from linoone, i'd call it a sidegrade if anything. same with arcanine.

                > goodra and ninetales original forms aren't shit
                Goodra has been the worst psuedo by far since introduction and has only gotten Worse. Ninetales was only ever decent in Gen5 once it got drought and even then it was completely outclassed by CHARIZARD Y, then Torkoal.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Megas are a crutch. Mawile has been shit since it lost the mega.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Megas are “right” and Regionals are “wrong” because megas are something the original can use to become better, while regional are just a new Pokémon that just so happens to be related the original, but they don’t elevate the original like megas do. The Kanto and Hoeen starters essentially became gods while the original forms legend starters are still just as pointless and hated as they always were and decidueye achieved the impossible of being a complete shitmon twice. (meganium only did it once)
                I've been a fan of Samurott since Black and White and I couldn't be happier that it got a good regional form so that it can finally be usable. Literally why does it matter if Samurott gets buffed via Hisui Samurott or Mega Samurott? It's the same difference to me, either way you have a remixed and rebalanced design of the original pokemon.

                >New moves, new abilities, are objectively the best way because those are forever part of the Pokémon. Torkoal and Pelipper are laughing their way to the bank while Mawile is stuck begging for game freak to give its super saiyan stone back
                Sure but you can only save so many shitmons that way. Even from your examples Torkoal and Pelipper getting buffed directly led to Ninetales and Politoed becoming shit again after one generation in the spotlight because they are now objectively outclassed as weather setters.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Ninetales and Politoed becoming shit again after one generation in the spotlight because they are now objectively outclassed as weather setters.
                There are just so many Pokémon now that even a niche as valuable as instant weather isn’t enough. ironically this would be a good argument for Dexit, but the meta has been even more broken since Dexit became the norm

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            corsola, electrode, and qwilfish are massively improved by their regional forms. there's no way you're calling sirfetch'd good while acting like those other three aren't.
            goodra and ninetales original forms aren't shit.
            obstagoon plays completely differently from linoone, i'd call it a sidegrade if anything. same with arcanine.

  3. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    The gen 7 regionals were pretty bland and boring but gen 8 really helped transform the concept further, especially giving them new evolutions was an awesome idea. I was disappointed we got so few in SV but hopefully there'll be a lot more in AZ.

    "Regional fakes" I don't like, maybe they'll improve on the concept next gen like they did with regional forms but given that the entire point of them seems to just be a joke about "lol they look like exactly like <pokemon> but they're actually different!!" I don't really have high hopes. It's a bad idea and shouldn't have ever existed.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >but given that the entire point of them seems to just be a joke about "lol they look like exactly like <pokemon> but they're actually different!!"
      honestly this on its own wouldn't be that bad if they made an active attempt to do anything different with them, like changing the stat spreads to acknowledge the idea of "oh they have similar niches but they aren't identical since they evolved for entirely different environments" or just playing around with the evolution lines themselves by having the prevos or final stages be more distinct from the inspiration
      but as it is now the literal only thing functionally separating them from regional variants is the arbitrary dex slot and the flavor text of "oh they're totally different just trust us" and convergent evolution is such a broad yet interesting topic that it's a shame this is the best they could come up with

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >convergent evolution is such a broad yet interesting topic that it's a shame this is the best they could come up with
        They aren't convergent evolution. Toedscruel doesn't look like Tentacruel because they have similar lifestyles or similar habitats leading them to evolve similar forms, it looks like Tentacruel because Gamefreak thought it was funny.

        Only Wiglett could be argued as possibly being actual convergence since they are both burrowing Pokemon but the rest have no reason for looking like they do other than a shitty joke.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >They aren't convergent evolution. Toedscruel doesn't look like Tentacruel because they have similar lifestyles or similar habitats leading them to evolve similar forms, it looks like Tentacruel because Gamefreak thought it was funny.
          It Toedscool looks like Tentacruel because it uses it's mycelium in a similar way they use their tentacles. The former wraps them around the foe to suck their nutrients and eat them, the latter wraps them around the foe to sting them with poison tentacle and eat them. Similar predation behaviors on two species with no immediate ancestral relation would be convergent evolution regardless of if they looked alike or not.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Regional Fakes/Convergent evolutions is a great idea, they just need to use more interesting species.

  4. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    So why are people unsure if ZA won't have sny regional variants? Is it because of megas? If so then that is a moronic reason because we had gimmicks coexisting with regional variants and evos since gen 7.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Gen 7 didn't have any new megas though. I think the point is they're probably only going to make a limited amount of new designs, and they might be stretched too thin between megas and regionals.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        SV has regionals forms, "regional fakes", and paradoxes which are just essentially 3 different ways of remixing old Pokemon, SS had both regionals and Gmaxes too. There's no reason AZ couldn't have both Kalosian Grumpig and Mega Krookodile or whatever.

  5. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    OP you forgot picrel, they are Convergent Species as well

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Are they? I thought they were just related pokemon?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Sure are, I remember when Poltchageist was first revealed it was stated as such on the main website

  6. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I would stop making them and go back to crossgens.

  7. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Could do something like the Delta species. Maybe the plot is that the evil team is taking wild Pokemon and performing experiments on them.
    These experiments cause unusual mutations in Pokemon, causing them to take on different types that normal. Maybe it forces an unnatural evolution, even.

  8. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    introduce a regional form and at the same time give a crossgen to the original

  9. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    This list is outdated. It doesn't have Poltchageist or Sinistcha.

  10. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    What pokemon do you guys want to see get a regional?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Regional Paras with a new evolution where the mushroom becomes beneficial instead of parasitic.

  11. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    i want regional fakes with crazy new evolutions

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      This, why gave evolutions to old shitmon when you can give them to their cooler replacements instead.

  12. 1 week ago
    Anonymous
  13. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >white basculin
    >regional form
    lol

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      They have the same name and pokedex number, therefore they are the same species.

  14. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    You forget the poltchageist line

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