Remember when we were going to originally play as a Pyscho Squad member?

Remember when we were going to originally play as a Pyscho Squad member?

  1. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Whaaaat you don't like running infinite side missions to make rogue cyborgs go sleepy bye bye for cycloptic asian grandma voiced by sassy black woman?

  2. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Schizo's will desperately try to say this games good lol.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      filtered

  3. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Come touch me like I'm an ordinary man
    >Have a look in my eyes
    >Underneath my skin there is a violence
    >It's got a gun in its hand

  4. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    You dont get to play as one of the members you just do their job. And they were called max-tac or some shit weren't they?

  5. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Great teaser trailer, but I remember posting on Ganker the second I saw it that if the game were confirmed to be open world, I wouldn't play it.

    Glad I missed the disappointment cycle.

  6. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Please go stand by your radio so that I can protect you

  7. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Pyscho Squad member?
    The chick?

  8. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I remember when we were supposed to get an RPG instead of a linear FPS with a tacked-on loot system and a pointless, empty, uninteractive open world.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >pointless, empty, uninteractive open world.
      So, an open world.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >FPS
      The loot makes it an RPG, dumbass

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        it doesn't, moron gay.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        No it doesn't, you fat slobbering amerifat

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        dumb faget

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Remember when people here said witcher is better than cyberpunk 2077 and is a better rpg?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        The Witcher 1 and 2 are.
        The Witcher 3 is the same open world garbage Cyberpunk 2077 is.
        CD Projekt will never make a good game because they have fallen for the open world cancer.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Witcher 1 and 2 are literally worse games than Skyirm

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Witcher 3 was great, seek professional help.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Witcher 3 was shit and so was 1 and 2. Literally the only thing they have going for them is the slav aesthetic putting them aside from generic western "goyslop" as the kids say. They've abandoned all that now and turned into just another generic western developer. I bet they even hire the same university educated writers now as everyone else in the industry does.

            The *gameplay* in all these *games* has always been absolutely atrocious.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Remember when it was supposed to have hub areas like Deus Ex.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        It was never supposed to have hub areas. You knew for a fact even before they confirmed it that it was gonna be open world garbage after The Witcher 3.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Watch and read older interviews, they even showcased it.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            In that case, I must assume The Witcher 3's success made them change course later. The Witcher 3 ruined everything.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              No, 90% of the staff leaving ruined everything. W3 and CP2077 were developed in tandem by two different sides of the studio interested in different types of games. W3 is a shit RPG because it was directed by a guy who didn’t give a fuck about the RPG experience. CP2077 was originally headed by a guy who did care, but at some point between 2012-2019 production collapsed.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Do you have sources for any of this? I'm not doubting (much) but I'd just like to read about it.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                uh I’m sure you can find some stuff thru googling but it was mostly documented after that stuff in the code and the videos got leaked.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Someone might have the name of the original game lead on hand, but since the CP2077 news cycle a lot of stuff that we knew before got buried. CP2077 was announced before W3, with a team of at least 50 or more people working on the game pre-2015, responsible for the original concepts and trailer. At some point between 2012-2015, the decision was made to scrap portions/all of the work and reboot development with the final W3 devs, not put on the project till after B&W (confirmed, not conjecture). While CDPR has been quiet about the actual cost and time of the development cycle, it’s pretty clear that something went wrong, with people even claiming development was semi-rebooted AGAIN in 2016-2018 when Keanu was onboarded. Allegedly the story was only finalized in-game by late 2018, so it’s not completely off the table. Anyhow, back to that original team of 50 people- I believe what that anon is referring to is parts of CDPR not aligned with Adam Badowski, or the director of W2. This will include most of the people who worked on W3, with Badowski being promoted to a studio boss after 2 and working oversight on 3 with Tomaszkiewicz sitting in the directors chair. Again, I don’t know who the original director was supposed to be, but you can see a very clear push-pull and eventual split in the studio post-W2, even within W3 itself.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >CP2077 was announced before W3
                Before RELEASE of W3, you mean.
                Because W3 was pretty far into development when CP77 was announced.
                >with a team of at least 50 or more people working on the game pre-2015,
                Prototyping and doing pre-production.
                >At some point between 2012-2015, the decision was made to scrap portions/all of the work and reboot development with the final W3 devs, not put on the project till after B&W (confirmed, not conjecture).
                That is a conjecture.
                CP77 was in no state to be scrapped, it didn't exist. It was entirely in early planning stage. The team did not even exist, the announcement trailer for CP77 was meant to announce they are hiring people for that game. The team was not complete, the point of the announcement was to draw talent that would be developing it.

                Second of all, we know exactly what went wrong. A year before TW3, a massive playtest was preformed to reveal SERIOUS problems with the testing audience. The open world was extremely heavily criticized, for it's absence of side characters and lack of quest marks, causing the whole studio to quickly re-focus on overhauling TW3's open world. That is also why so many activities in TW3's open world feel so token and shallow. They were desperate attempt to tackle on more AssCreed style features because the testing audience demanded them. There also was a lot of technical issues that started cropping up too.

                The few people who were working on pre-production of CP77 were relocated to help with that process, because CP77 wasn't really anywhere yet. They had the setting, they had the basic storyline about Johny Silver, and the ambition to make it first person and open world.
                That is literally all that was done at the time.

                The work wasn't really scrapped, because there wasn't anything being done. No code, no assets, no script yet. During the half a year between CP77 being announced, and the refocus on TW3, they did not even complete a team yet.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                most of W3’s issues didn’t come from any playtest, they came from the PS4 and Xbox 1 specs being way lower than what was estimated. This was confirmed by a dev in a blogpost, they even talked about everything stripped out of the game. Even then, please explain to me how CP2077 can’t even into NPCs when W3 already had crowds and day/night cycles for them, if supposedly nothing went wrong and there was no talent drain and there was no rebooting?
                >there was no script before Johnny Silver
                yes there was lmao, that was confirmed from the code and leaked prototypes already.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >most of W3’s issues didn’t come from any playtest, they came from the PS4 and Xbox 1 specs being way lower than what was estimated.
                Nope.
                TW3 was postponed for an entire year after the initial playtest, which they explicitly stated had extremely negative response to the open world design. This is something they very clearly addressed multiple times.
                Hell, they even went out of their way to talk about how they do not use quest markers and instead rely on landscape landmarking being published few weeks before the playtest, and then you see them turning that around completely.
                And if you do actually fucking pay attention to the game's design, you will also see in practice how this worked. The landscape really is clearly and obvious designed around landmarking. The side content is very clearly a completely different design philosophy, and blatantly obviously just insanely rushed and unfinished.

                The problem is not stripping ANYTHING for fuck sake. The problem is with what they ADDED.
                The problem of TW3 is the absolutely asinine open-world side quest business, with those hilarious pseudo-outpost activities, and the endless retarded cashe busywork.

                Every game cuts stuff, but TW3's most obvious and glaring problems are all about what they needlessly tackled on, not what they omited.

                The word was supposed to be sparse. They fucking acknowleded that several times. The EXPLICITLY stated no quest markers, no map-dependent POI, citing fucking Gothic as their core inspiration.
                And they explicitly stated that the big playtest was a massive wakeup call that people don't want that, and hate how empty and confusing the open world content is.

                There was a ton of shit that did get cut - the Skellige being pretty obvious example, but that shit is normal, that happens to every game. Hell, the game's most important trailer fucking featured Tuissaint, and as we know from the leaked old script, that is because yeah, that was supposed to be a part of the base at one point.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                dude there’s a literal statement from a dev about the 2013-2015 downgrade, and while you could possibly be on-point about the world design that’s not what anyone is talking about here

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Which is entirely about the technical and graphical downgrade that was happening gradually over the last 3 fucking years of development, and has NOTHING to do with massive delay and massive dev focus shift (which included relocating the planned CP77 pre-production staff) that happened a year before the game's release.

                They did not need all hands on deck and a year long delay to remove a bunch of fancy fucking graphical options you fucking retard - HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU PEOPLE THIS FUCKING STUPID?!

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                they removed the hunt quests too, retard, because they couldn’t make them function on last-gen hardware because persistent open worlds are too much for consoles to handle- even cybercringe is vertical slice, which is why the NPCs are so fucked up

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >they removed the hunt quests too, retard, because they couldn’t make them function on last-gen hardware
                >but see unfortunately CP2077 is completely linear until literally the very last mission

                Are you people drugged out of your mind, or having a stroke right now?
                Either way, I'm worried about you and I feel like I should probably inform someone.

                >false expectations
                Maybe nobody would’ve had those had CDPR not lied out the ass for 5 years straight? (and running)
                People get mad when you tell them they are getting a burger with cheese and pickles and then you hand them a slice of uncooked beef

                They did not lie, at least not any more than any developer does in the process of development, you fucking retard, you just made a lot of shit up.
                Look at OP
                >Remember when we were going to originally play as a Pyscho Squad member?
                Yeah. So the very first gameplay discussion of CP77, which happened not even a year after Blood and Wine was released, categorically stated that the story is going to be personal, and that factions like Trauma Team and MaxTac are going to be featured, but not playable.

                Before that, we got the one video which contains a message explicitly stating that the game isn't even in development, and that in fact the purpose of the trailer is to draw talent because they are hiring.
                And before that, there was one other statement, confirming that the game going to be first person, and that they are considering a language chip feature where you'd need translation software to understand certain NPC's talking in unfamiliar languages.

                There was never, ever, even a HINT of the game supposing to let you play as MaxTac. The very first discussion of gameplay explicitly stated that is not on the table.

                You fuckers, you absolute fucking mongoloids, just endlessly made shit up about the game. Because you are children. Because you literally don't understand the concept of hype and expectation control.

                The only fucking "lie" I can track down is their promised wall climing feature from the first pre-alpha gameplay footage.
                Everything else is just you fuckers reading the normal, usual, entirely vague marketing speak, and then endlessly making shit up.

                Fucking grow up.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >even cybercringe is vertical slice, which is why the NPCs are so fucked up
                What the fuck do you think the term "vertical slice" mean?
                Please, fucking explain to me what do you think this term refers to.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                verticals slice can either refer to proof of concept game sections presented to shareholders or the open world architecture that is executed by tracking and loading only what is in view of the player

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Only one of those definitions is anywhere near being right.
                Vertical slice is indeed a term for a demonstration product that showcases the game to either investors or public. The point is to showcase all gameplay features and mechanics on a small, self-contained demo, one that features the intended mechanics and the intended graphical fidelity, but isn't actually part of the game's development itself.

                It has nothing to do with open world design, and very specifically, what you described "only tracking and loading what is in the view of the player" is called "rendering" and it's a pretty old technique in videogames.
                You absolute fucking cretin.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                ah well, it was vertical something i’m sure of it, maybe not slice
                >it’s called rendering
                alas, some open world titles (and smaller titles i’m sure) track game systems outside your field of view- hence W3s NPCs, or WBs nemesis system. object permanence, that kind of thing. whatever you’d call it, CP2077 doesn’t have it.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >ah well, it was vertical something i’m sure of it, maybe not slice
                It's not vertical either. You have no clue what you are talking about.
                I get what you are trying to say, you are alluding to the fact that CP77 uses a traffic generation approach similar to what most open-world sanbox games do, generating non-persistent NPC's and vehicles to populate the street without major hit to preformance, but god are you terrible at explaining it and it's really fucking obvious you don't have even basic technical understanding of it.

                >hence W3s NPCs, or WBs nemesis system. object permanence, that kind of thing. whatever you’d call it, CP2077 doesn’t have it.
                CP77 uses the EXACT same tech for non-essential NPC's as TW3 does. WB's nemesis cannot be any less related to what we are talking about if you tried, that is literally a shot in the fucking dark for you.
                You could not be more fucking cluess than you are right now if you tried.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                except W3 has day/night cycles for NPCs just like they promised that CP2077 would have, except it doesn’t, “same tech” my fuckin ass

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >While CDPR has been quiet about the actual cost and time of the development cycle, it’s pretty clear that something went wrong, with people even claiming development was semi-rebooted AGAIN in 2016-2018 when Keanu was onboarded. Allegedly the story was only finalized in-game by late 2018, so it’s not completely off the table.
                This is the most pathetic lie that surrounds CP77. It's a desperate delusion existing purely to make people feel justified in what was a stupid, completely unwarranted hype to begin with.

                OH IT WAS FINE THAT I GOT ABSURDLY HYPED UP FOR THIS GAME THAT WE KNEW NOTHING ABOUT, IT WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE AS AMAZING AS I PURELY FABULATED, IT'S ONLY BECAUSE OF KEANU THAT IT TURNED OUT MY RETARDED EXPECTATIONS WERE PROVEN WRONG, I NEVER MADE AN ERROR OF JUDGEMENT!!!!!"

                No, kids. The game was always designed as open world, it was always designed around a freelancer, that would not be able to actually join established faction, and it was always going to revolve around RELIC and about Johnny Silverhand invading your mind and being your reluctant partner.
                Keanu Reeves was hired because they knew Johnny Silvehand is going to be the most important character in the story, and they needed someone capable of carrying and pulling off such a big role.
                It was never otherwise.

                You mongolids still desperately cling to the idea that there was some kind of evil re-design to justify your expectations, but your expectations were wrong from the start. And you need to fucking come to turn with that. Stop deluding yourself into shitty excuses why your original hype was justified.
                It never was. You always had COMPLETELY absurd and completely unfounded expectations about the game. It was never meant to be a sandbox. It was never ment to let you play as MaxTac. The story always focused on Johny.

                You just deluded yourself into thinking otherwise, and now you lie to avoid admitting that fucking error.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                they said themselves that the story was finalized and playable in 2018 so, yknow, go fuck yourself retard

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >they said themselves that the story was finalized and playable in 2018 so, yknow, go fuck yourself retard
                I don't think you have even the most remote clue what game development actually is.
                How do you manage to be here and yet be this fucking clueless about game development?

                Yeah, FINALIZED AND PLAYABLE. Which in RPG's, is something always, always, ALWAYS happens extremely late into development.

                EVERY FUCKING RPG ends up with it's story finalized only shortly before release, because in RPG's, story implementation takes the vast bulk of the process.
                Deus Ex was supposed to feature an entire chain of missions taking place in zero-G and it was cut half a year before release.
                8 months before release of Deus Ex Human Revolution, they still claimed the game is going to have TWO EXTRA FUCKING HUBS that ended up being cut.

                That is how development of RPG's happen. A story is only finalized and playable shortly before release.
                That does not mean they made some kind of massive fictional re-write that you fucking cretins keep raving about.

                You made completely false expectations about the game.
                It's been YEARS NOW. FUCKING GET OVER YOURSELVES YOU GOD DAMN CHILDREN. You could not control your hype and expectations. You were basically babies so that is normal. Children are stupid, and you were a little child back then.
                But it is also normal to fucking admit your own fault and learn from it.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah bro your argument might make a little sense if CP2077 had half of the complexity of Deus Ex but see unfortunately CP2077 is completely linear until literally the very last mission
                Sorry I didn’t enjoy the Keanu cock carousel but man, you really need to get over yourself

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >false expectations
                Maybe nobody would’ve had those had CDPR not lied out the ass for 5 years straight? (and running)
                People get mad when you tell them they are getting a burger with cheese and pickles and then you hand them a slice of uncooked beef

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I remember when we were supposed to get a good game

  9. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Lol

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Jones?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Lol

        Here's your psycho squad bro

  10. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >shazam trannies still trying to pretend cyberpunk wasn't the best selling and best reviewed game of the year

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Not even in 2021's list despite releasing in December of 2020

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >NPD
        Holy cope

  11. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I wasn't following this game autistically when it was in development, but I remember the very first actual spoken piece about it making it absolutely fucking clear you won't play as member of Max-tax, and that was like 5 years before the game's eventual release.
    So you people are mongoloids, really.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Okay but then that isn't Cyberpunk
      You could do all that in the actual rpg
      So now it is you who is the cdpr cocklicker

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >You could do all that in the actual rpg
        >So now it is you who is the cdpr cocklicker
        Nobody really, but you are an absolute drooling mongolid.
        In WoD settings you can play as a mummy.
        Therefor, VTM:B is not a WoD game and is totally a piece of shit because you can't play as a mummy, and you can do that in the ruleset.

        Look, kid stop. Now you are pretending like you have ever seen the actual CP22 rulebook. There has to be SOME bottom to your shit, right?
        There has to be an end to a degree to which you are willing to humiliate yourself, right?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Could you be any more blatant jesus

  12. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    No.

  13. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I don't mind
    I would have preferred a linear but well developed Street Kid story with fixed character like Geralt and some critical branching story paths and a cast that gets as much focus as the protagonist itself. The issue of Cyberpunk was the open world and the meme triple prologue and feature bloat alongside the broken RPG mechanics

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I watched edgerunners up to episode 5 and couldn't continue because it just reminded me how much of a disappointment 2077 was and what it could have been.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      This shit most likely only exists to lure in easily amused anime fans.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Actual anime fans hate anything made by Trigger with a passion. That shit is made for ironic weebs and normies.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          I thought weebs like kill la kill

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Actual anime fans hate anything made by Trigger with a passion. That shit is made for ironic weebs and normies.

        You didn't watch it

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Just a few screenshots are enough to draw a conclusion, and even make a rough plot based on the already known information.
          It's just predictable shit.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            I wonder why they never invite you to any parties.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >We will never get a proper Cyberpunk RPG

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        I'll make one some day, anon.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Shadowrun exists

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Anime was peak SOVL (literally the opposite of the by committee looter shooter open world GTA clone) and

      I watched edgerunners up to episode 5 and couldn't continue because it just reminded me how much of a disappointment 2077 was and what it could have been.

      is right, it makes me fucking angry

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Trigger sucks and their paint by number anime is shit

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Who is that man next to the main character? Are they friends? Can I ship them together?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        he's the first one in the group to die

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          That's unfortunate. Are there any male characters I can ship with the main character? If not, then I won't bother watching the show 🙂

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            He has a mentor/apprentice relationship with the black dude on the left but that's it. He dates and fucks the pale qt right next to him and the little one has a crush on him.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Who is that man next to the main character? Are they friends? Can I ship them together?

            lol have a nice day gay

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >anon doesn't know what a fujo is

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                any "fujo" here is a mtf chud

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Edgerunners was good but I wish the romance was better his relationship didn't make sense at all, I don't think the timeskips helped there.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        It needed 2 more character focused episodes somewhere around the 4/8 episode mark

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >they all dress like nignoramuses

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      edgerunners would have made for a vastly better game plot

  14. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah but now theres a Trigger anime that has lots of SEX in it so all is forgiven

  15. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    No, because I am not a delusional gay. The game failed on its own merits, you don't have to be one of the shazamtrannies and make up shit. Christ, you stupid, "Remember this promise that was never made but I expected to be in the game based on nothing other than my own stupid fucking imagination?!" are worse than the, "Oh. My. Fucking. GOD! Is that the sun?! The sun in a cyperpunk setting!"

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      In all seriousness, and now that we are far enough removed from the game that it's obvious I'm not trolling, a proper Cyberpunk RPG wouldn't have had real time switching nonsense in it. The sun would appear but it would be at appropriate set pieces. And since a proper Cyberpunk RPG wouldn't be open world garbage, the environments where it's even daytime would have the sunlight be severely affected by things such as fog and giant buildings. Anti-sunchads were always right.

      This is always what happens with these big RPGs. They largen the scope so much that the soul is lost.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        That might be some of the fucking dumbest shit I've read in ages.
        Seriously, how does one become this fucking stupid?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          It's 100% correct. Ever played VTMB? Specific set pieces, no time passing nonsense, no gigantic open world trash. God tier atmosphere. Now, the game had flaws, I admit, but VTMB at its best is what Cyberpunk 2077 should have strived to be. Instead of some GTA shit.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            First of all, what you just said absolutely, 100% does not follow from your previous post.
            Second of all, I played VTM:B, and Cyberpunk, and Cyberpunk is uncannily similar to VTM:B. It's literally already it's closest relative out there.
            You are literally raving, you can't even keep your own arguments straight for two subsequent posts at this point.

            Again: How do you make a human mind this broken? This isn't natural garden variety stupidity, this is is complete and absolute contortion of human faculties. This has to have artificial cause.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >Second of all, I played VTM:B, and Cyberpunk, and Cyberpunk is uncannily similar to VTM:B. It's literally already it's closest relative out there.
              lmaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaao

              My dear retarded friend, please improve your faculties so that you can tell
              >Tight content-dense game with god tier atmosphere, incredible choices and consequences and strict artistic vision to pull off the genre
              And
              >Open world garbage worried about MUH REALISM with choices and consequences on the same level of Fallout 3 that is just worried about ripping off GTA
              Apart

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >lmaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaao
                We already established you are completely fucking retarded kid, no need to hammer that point home.
                We are already laughing at you. You don't have to try this hard.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          He's right you retard
          Never played this indie, unknown little game called Deus Ex?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Jesus Christ kid, can you be a more obvious samefag?

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >Muh samefag
              Retard

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >lmaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaao
              We already established you are completely fucking retarded kid, no need to hammer that point home.
              We are already laughing at you. You don't have to try this hard.

              Can you be any more pathetic? Seriously, is this a contest of some kind?

              >These pathetic limp dick responses to actual substantive posts
              You got BTFO hard, mate.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Kid, first of all, your first argument was "a proper Cyberpunk would not have daylight".
                Do you even fucking realize how completely fucking retarded that claim is?
                Second of all, your other argument was "but muh VTM:B", a game both mechanically and structurally so fucking similar to CP77 you could not find a closer one.
                And when you realized how stupid that example is, because the lack of daylight is obviously entirely a lore concession, and started samefagging to fix that, you fucking put a crown of stupidity on that.

                CP77 plays almost identically as VTM:B, and that is a FACT. The open world is nothing but a huge, gorgeous explorable skybox, which you can ignore entirely if you want.
                The core story structre and gameplay is basically the exact same as VTM:B, just more refined (which isn't hard considering VTM:B was a bit of a mess) and with more content, but with comparable quality of the core stuff.

                You have not played any of these games. You are posting this retarded shit because few years ago, you got REALLY personally invested in that garbage Shazzam meme, and it has completely fucking controlled everything you say or think about these games.
                Because at the core of it, you are a meme-spouting, approval-begging obnoxious child that does not even play games anymore, just drools out retarded shit you think will get people praise you on this cesspool of a site.

                CP77 has a TON of issues. But you would not actually know a single one of them, because the REALITY of these games is alien to you.

                You don't play games. You pathetically samefag online as part of years-dead meme-based tribalism act. That is all you have been reduced to.

                Have fun rationalizing around the fact that we all actually know this about you.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >"a proper Cyberpunk would not have daylight".
                I'm just gonna copypaste what I already said: The sun would appear but it would be at appropriate set pieces. And since a proper Cyberpunk RPG wouldn't be open world garbage, the environments where it's even daytime would have the sunlight be severely affected by things such as fog and giant buildings.
                >a game both mechanically and structurally so fucking similar to CP77
                Except VTMB is not open world garbage, is tightly designed with hub sections, is an actual RPG, has an artistic vision that means it doesn't have shit like real time changing and is properly designed. But yeah, in your schizo head, they're totally similar.
                >The open world is nothing but a huge, gorgeous explorable skybox
                It's padding and a waste of time. "You can ignore it" is not a good excuse because getting people to ignore supposed content of the game is shit. In VTMB, the game that is supposedly similar to Cyberpunk 2077, or in Deus Ex, you actually do like exploring every inch of the map. But you're right, open world garbage is really just a glorified skybox with the "YOU SEE IT? YOU CAN GO THERE" meme, that completely destroys one of the main aspects of RPGs (And games in general): Exploration
                >but with comparable quality of the core stuff.
                Cope more, retard. Ganker will be reinstalling VTMB for many years to come and everyone in it has already forgotten about the shit GTA clone you love.
                >you got REALLY personally invested in that garbage Shazzam meme
                Nice headcanon.
                >CP77 has a TON of issues. But you would not actually know a single one of them, because the REALITY of these games is alien to you.
                The bugs, the loot system, the weird little idiosyncrasies like the cop a.i., all of it pales in comparison with the fundamental mistake in making the game open world garbage, which is in fact a big reason why those flaws exist. Game developers don't know the meaning of restraint nowadays. Everything has to be le biggest. Quantity over quality

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >I'm just gonna copypaste what I already said
                Kid, I already told you that we know you are a retard. You REALLY don't have to fucking remind us, we are painfully aware of the fact that you are seriously mentally deficient.

                >Except VTMB is not open world garbage, is tightly designed with hub sections
                How are the hubs in VTM:B functionally different in ANY way from how CP77 works?

                >is an actual RPG, has an artistic vision that means it doesn't have shit like real time changing
                Kid. You are mentally retarded. You are the absolute last person in the universe to be in any way authorized to say what is or isn't "actual RPG".
                Also - just for fun, let's remind ourselves that all key setpiece moments in CP77's main story (even in most side missions) are actually locked to determined time of day.

                You LITERALLY don't realize that the game does what you claim an "actual RPG" is supposed to do.
                There is a day and night cycle for the freeroam if you want to do that, but each setpiece mission is fixed to the time of day that would best suit it's atmosphere and tone.

                You LITERALLY DID NOT PLAY THE FUCKING GAME. The game has fixed time of day for EVERY. FUCKING. STORY. MISSION.

                >It's padding and a waste of time.
                For you. The game still has huge amount of content exactly in the same vein as VTM:B, which you would know if you played the game.

                You see - this is why we know you are pissing yourself because of that FUCKING SHAZZAM meme.
                You have not played the game. You don't know how it works. You are pulling shit out of your ass because you Shazzam was the first and last time you felt like part of some kind of community, and you can't fucking let go of it, because it was literally the highlight of your fucking existence.

                Now that we have established that you lie about a game you did not play, for reasons of your pathetic disfunctional, misplaced insecurity wanking, can you fuck off already? Adults are talking.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Bro, just filter through all the padding to get to the real content. Read a guide or something. Anyways, the open world is awesome.
                This is what you're saying.

                If pay one miner to give me a piece of gold and he gives me a piece of gold, I'm happy. Another miner comes in and says he can give me a piece of gold just as big for the same amount of money. I pay him and he brings me 30 buckets of mined rock. "The equivalent amount of gold is in there somewhere". These are not the same thing.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >This is what you're saying.
                No, that is not what I'm saying.
                But you yourself have proven to complain about something that does not exist in the game, so why the FUCK would you think anyone takes you seriously by this point.

                Your SINGLE semi-defensible argument, that it's bad if a game does not uses things like time of day to support it's artistic vision, was based on a lie.
                You did not play the game, you were not aware that cyberpunk has fixed time of day for every story mission.
                Which means you literally haven't played even the first 4 hours of it.

                When you are caught lying this fucking blatantly, the correct response here is to shut the fuck up and leave the thread.
                Not draw more attention to evidence of your lies and clear, retarded bullshit.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                It's actually what you said. And story missions actually having artistic vision doesn't change the fact that doesn't happen during all the padding, the soul of the game is lost with all the GTA copypaste nonsense. (CDPR literally admitted they wanted to do a Rockstar type game, by the way, which is why you have cleverly not tried to deny my accusations).
                You trying to handwave content density away and going "Oh, but the game still has the same amount of quality content as VTMB, if you waste your time filtering for it" just proves how, as you aptly described, the glorified sandbox is a shit design decision of the game that not even you can defend. And yet you still try to compare it to an actual tightly designed small scope game. Hub worlds shit all over your garbage.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >It's actually what you said. And story missions actually having artistic vision doesn't change the fact that doesn't happen during all the padding,
                Kid.
                You were LYING YOUR ASS OFF about the game.

                Furthermore, your "AKHSHUAL RPG WOULD NOT" shit:
                You see - the two examples you provided are Deus Ex and VTM:B.
                Which aren't classic RPGs, they are action stealth hybrid games with some very light RPG elements. We know this genre as "im-sim" and it also includes Thief, to drive home how the RPG aspect isn't integral to it.

                Meanwhile: Daggerfall and Morrowind, Fallout 1, Fallout 2, Fallout New Vegas, Arcanum, Gothic 1, Gothic 2 and Risen, Kingdom Come Deliverance, even Baldur's Gate and Icewind Dale all featured dynamic day-and-night cycle, and most of them feature extensive open worlds for you to explore.

                So much for your AKHSHUL RPG's.
                You don't play RPG's. Much like you did not play CP77.

                You are LAUGHABLE. How do you not realize how pathetic you are? How do you not feel shame?
                Are you even human at this point? Are you even capable of self-awareness of any form?

                What is this shit? How does one break a human being this badly.
                I mean I understand your life revolving around the Shazzam meme. But still - how do you get a person so broken that they actually unironically buy into that shit - much less being still obsessed with it five years later?

                You were being made fun off. Shazzam was a joke to troll desperate attention-seeking retards. The fucking "SUN" meme was a joke to show how desperately stupid you people get in your obsessive need for a TORTANIC surrogate.

                How the FUCK did you not grow up since that shit?
                And how the fuck do you live with yourself?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Which aren't classic RPGs, they are action stealth hybrid games with some very light RPG elements.
                oh fuck you. VTMB is a direct mechanical translation of the tabletop game. light rpg elements? go fuck yourself with a rusty fork.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Adorable. Next time just say "I don't have an argument" and bow out of the discussion with some dignity.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Only good thing about VTMB was races and convo choices. Theres only one viable build cus the rest would softlock you out of the game.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                maxing any set of combat skills still leave a ton of points to go with whatever magic or speech stuff you want. you fuckers didn't even play the game or got filtered early because you couldnt speech through the warehouse and never found the ways to sneak in

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Which aren't classic RPGs, they are action stealth hybrid games with some very light RPG elements.
                The absolute balls of saying this when you're defending Cyberpunk, you absolute cunt. Deus Ex and VTMB are 10 times more of an RPG than your shit game.
                >We know this genre as "im-sim" and it also includes Thief, to drive home how the RPG aspect isn't integral to it.
                "Immersive Sims" doesn't mean anything and was just Warren Spector tooting his own horn. Quit being a retard.

                And still going on about your Shazam headcanon. I quoted the two lines of your post that weren't you spazzing out.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >The absolute balls of saying this when you're defending Cyberpunk, you absolute cunt.
                Again.
                Kid.
                YOU HAVE NOT PLAYED CP77. You never started the game, you have never even watched a footage of it in your life.
                We established and proved that. How the FUCK do you think anything you say or think about that game is relevant?

                Also, I never said anything about CP77's extent as an RPG game. In fact I've very clearly said it's the closest relative to VTM:B there is.
                But thank you for proving you are one of the retarded children who are so insecure about their own taste that they desperately cling to the delusion that "being an RPG" is some kind of inherent merrit.
                Instead of it being strictly technical term that does not imply either good, or bad things.

                How deep does this insecurity go? I'm having fun exploring it.

                >"Immersive Sims" doesn't mean anything and was just Warren Spector tooting his own horn. Quit being a retard.
                Yeah, can't say I'm suprised that after all of this, it turns out you don't play Im-sims either. All that pissing yourself about VTM:B and Deus Ex and in the end, you don't know what these games are at all.
                Color me surprised.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Again.
                >Kid.
                >Headcanon.
                Ok. Moving on.
                >In fact I've very clearly said it's the closest relative to VTM:B there is.
                Yes, you made the absurd similar claim between a tight content-dense game with god tier atmosphere, incredible choices and consequences and strict artistic vision to pull off the genre vs open world garbage worried about MUH REALISM with choices and consequences on the same level of Fallout 3 that is just worried about ripping off GTA. I remember. You know a way closer relative VTMB has? Deus Ex, a game mentioned 3 times in this thread already. Keep crying.
                >Yeah, can't say I'm suprised that after all of this, it turns out you don't play Im-sims either.
                You're an absolute retard if you think Thief 1/2, Deus Ex, VTMB and System Shock 2 all have some tangible similarity between them aside from "They're all good first person games". It's a literal meme term that doesn't mean anything. Try to describe what the immersive sim genre is so I can laugh at you, please.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >It's a literal meme term that doesn't mean anything.
                You gay retards always get so triggered over words that were commonly used for over 20 years now

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Oh, actually, my bad, this sentence is also relevant.
                >The fucking "SUN" meme was a joke to show how desperately stupid you people get in your obsessive need for a TORTANIC surrogate
                The sun meme was an attempt at discrediting the criticism of Cyberpunk 2077's shit atmosphere that was apparent from the moment they had a gameplay trailer showing it off, where it came across as exactly what it turned out to be: A GTA rip off.
                >LEL DID YOU WANT LE FRIGGING NEON?
                Yes, gay. We did. But it's just one of the many moments of incompetence of Cyberpunk 2077. It was hilarious seeing the Mike Pondsmith guy being so smug about it, and then the game launched and was a complete fucking embarrassment. Serves him right.

                To be fair, it's not like the game actually having proper atmosphere and a vision that wasn't "Grab everything you can from GTA and then pretend you're making an RPG on top" would have fixed its fundamental problem of being open world garbage. But it would have made it much more bearable, at least.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >he thinks Blade Runner defines cyberpunk
                you just had no idea what the genre was. go read some Gibson you fucking philistine.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                He does not THINK at all.
                He just clings to a fleeting experience of being recognized and part of some community five years ago, still not realizing that it was all a giant joke to begin with.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >LE BLADE RUNNER, LE BLADE RUNNER
                Meanwhile, the cover of the RPG Cyberpunk 2077 is based on.

                CDPR just has to come up with copes so that they can get away with just making a GTA rip off and you gays will repeat them endlessly thinking you're enlightened and not gonna get demolished in seconds. Every time.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Meanwhile, the cover of the RPG Cyberpunk 2077 is based on.
                moron, read Neuromancer, I'm begging you.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Q-Q-QUICK, DEFLECT AWAY FROM THE RPG THAT CYBERPUNK 2077 IS BEING BASED ON
                kek you got BTFO

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                not a deflection, moron, because if you read Neuromancer you'd know that the cyberpunk genre in all its aesthetics and details were based on that book. Blade Runner didn't create shit, it took from Neuromancer.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >he thinks Gibson didnt steal from some other book
                Oh man you are dumb.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >can't form a coherent argument because he doesn't know the source material in question
                I accept your concession

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Accept my dick in your mouth, Gibson aint bad but he is far from original.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >The sun meme was an attempt at discrediting the criticism of Cyberpunk 2077's shit atmosphere
                Yeah sure thing kid, it was all a very serious tribal warfare complete with evil conspirations against your chose group.

                Jesus Fucking Christ kid, could you be any more pathetic?
                People were fucking laughing at you. All of it, all of the Shazzam shit was a joke, making fun of how pathetic and desperate for any group circlejerk you were. Nobody was discrediting anything. People were just pointing at you and laughing.

                >Again.
                >Kid.
                >Headcanon.
                Ok. Moving on.
                >In fact I've very clearly said it's the closest relative to VTM:B there is.
                Yes, you made the absurd similar claim between a tight content-dense game with god tier atmosphere, incredible choices and consequences and strict artistic vision to pull off the genre vs open world garbage worried about MUH REALISM with choices and consequences on the same level of Fallout 3 that is just worried about ripping off GTA. I remember. You know a way closer relative VTMB has? Deus Ex, a game mentioned 3 times in this thread already. Keep crying.
                >Yeah, can't say I'm suprised that after all of this, it turns out you don't play Im-sims either.
                You're an absolute retard if you think Thief 1/2, Deus Ex, VTMB and System Shock 2 all have some tangible similarity between them aside from "They're all good first person games". It's a literal meme term that doesn't mean anything. Try to describe what the immersive sim genre is so I can laugh at you, please.

                >Ok. Moving on.
                Yeah kid - when you were caught lying at every step of this exchange, and people managed to break down your pittiful motivation and you even fucking confirmed it - you don't really get to say shit like that.

                Again.
                Everyone is laughing at you. Everyone has been laughing at you for the past five years.

                I have no idea how your brain can be so broken that you think repeating this shit:
                >game with god tier atmosphere, incredible choices and consequences and strict artistic vision to pull off the genre vs open world garbage worried about MUH REALISM with choices and consequences on the same level of Fallout 3
                Carbon literal fucking copy from the previous post where it made us laugh at you is going to achieve anything?

                Yeah, you use a lot of empty buzzwords, because you have a LOT of emotions and self-esteem issues riding on this, but that does not mean people will take you seriously.

                You complain about game you provably did not play, by comparing it to a game you provably did not play, while spouting meaningless buzzwords about a genre that you don't even fucking know.

                Do I need to remind you that by your own logic, Gothic, Fallout 1-2-NV or even fucking Ultima aren't AHKHUSHUUUL RPG's either?

                Why would you think this would work? Why would you continue posting after all this shit?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >it was all a very serious tribal warfare complete with evil conspirations against your chose group.
                lmao what the fuck?

                Your post:
                >The fucking "SUN" meme was a joke to show how desperately stupid you people get
                This is normal and not a conspiracy
                My post:
                >The sun meme was an attempt at discrediting the criticism of Cyberpunk 2077's shit atmosphere
                This is hysterical and some sort of conspiracy. I basically said the same thing as you, you absolute retard.
                >it made us laugh
                You need to stop using this "us" thing, it's making you come across as really fucking desperate.

                Lastly, I'm glad you conceded on the immersive sim point. You'd have been trounced so hard it wouldn't have been funny.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Kid.
                Stop.
                Go back and read what I am saying. You can't be this fucking delusional and not be a certified mental patient.

                >it's making you come across as really fucking desperate.
                Again. Kid. FUCKING TAKE A LOOK AT YOURSELF.

                You've started this thread by saying that an AHKSHUUUULL RPG would not have a dynamic day and light cycle, and that AHKHHUUUSHUSH Cyberpunk would not feature daylight.

                The vast majority of the most popular and "purest" examples of RPG's out there use dynamic day and night cycle, majority of them feature some form of actual open world.

                You then proceeded to piss yourself raving about DX and VTM:B but you don't know what an imsim is.

                You then proceeded to piss yourself even more screeching how the SUN meme was an evil conspiracy aimed to discredit your righteous and totally cool and serious "I hate CP77" circlejerk.

                Fucking stop. Take a step back. Think about the shit you are spewing here.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous
              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I accept your admission of defeat. Just wanted to let you know: there are more dignified ways to bow out of a discussion than this shit.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >You've started this thread by saying that an AHKSHUUUULL RPG would not have a dynamic day and light cycle
                No, I didn't. I never said that a true RPG can't have a day and night cycle. I said that a proper CYBERPUNK RPG wouldn't do it. The atmosphere works much better. There's a reason why the teaser in the OP is like that. But they wanted to rip off GTA. On that matter, it's why it's open world garbage. Hell, that is one statement I can actually make about an actual RPG. No actual RPG worth a shit is open world garbage.

                >You then proceeded to piss yourself raving about DX and VTM:B but you don't know what an imsim is.
                You don't understand that imsim is just a meme term.

                I'm not even reading the rest of the post. You're not gonna squirm your way out of this one. Answer me on this right now because you are literally incapable without being trounced:

                What do Thief 1/2, Deus Ex, VTMB and System Shock 2 have in common that makes them all immersive sims aside from "They're all good first person games"?

                Go ahead. Do your best.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >I said that a proper CYBERPUNK RPG wouldn't do it.
                Yeah, which you then immediately illustrated by that legendary Cyberpunk RPG, Vampire the fucking Masquerade.
                Can you move your goal posts a little slower, it's kinda hard to keep up with your backpeddaling.

                Also, again your hilarious use of AHSHSKUSHUUUALLAL.
                And hilarious going back to a literal "Cyberpunk must not feature daylight" point which even you admit previously was a fucking JOKE.

                Kid. You don't know what cyberpunk is. You don't know what an RPG is. You don't know what an im-sim is. You don't know how CP77 plays.
                You don't know anything. You are pissing yourself in angst because again - five years ago, there was an angst pissing festival here that made you feel like you for the first time in your life, surrounded by pissing peers, except it was fueled by people having a royal laugh at your expense. And not only did you never fucking realized that, you still cling to all that bullshit five years ago.

                [...]

                >cyberpunk won't have sunlight because the world is an industrialized, smug-ridden hellhole.
                Kid. Here is a fun little challenge for you.
                Go and look up the story "Petra" by one Greg Bear. Look up commentaries on that story, in particular those made by Gibson and Sterling.
                Spoiler: Not only did they decide to include it in a their cyberpunk-defining manifesto-like collection called "Mirrorshades: A Cyberpunk Antology", but in verious occassions, they also straight up bring up Petra specifically as the best study of cyberpunk as a genre ever.

                So go, read that story, and let us know what you think about nature of Cyberpunk after that.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                What do Thief 1/2, Deus Ex, VTMB and System Shock 2 have in common that makes them all immersive sims aside from "They're all good first person games"?

                You cannot answer. This question blocks you and you have no way of getting out of it now. I was gonna accept your silent concession on it and move on, but you retardedly brought it up again, so come on, gay. Do your best.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >You cannot answer.
                They all share two core elements: 1) a first person perspective, and 2) emphasis on highly interactive environment which is used to foster emergent, creative approach to problemsolving and progression, and level design that is open and specifically tailored to that dimension of gameplay.

                There. It's not not hard. Did you SERIOUSLY think people can't define an im-sim? When the term imsim was actualy coined by definition of it's properties back when Warren coined it?

                How fucking stupid are you? How delusional are you to think that because you can't define the term, nobody else could?

                You do realize the term was coined by someone defining it, right?
                Fucking hell what is wrong with you people?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                This is not a genre, retard. A first person game with an interactive environment. Holy shit. But Eye of the Beholder isn't an immersive sim? Drakkhen? Might and Magic? No, it's just these games that just so happened to be made by Warren Spector. Ultima Underworld is the first ever """IMMERSIVE SIM"""

                It's a meme term. Accept it.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >A first person game with an interactive environment.
                Awwww, that is adorably desperate.
                But you missed the point that it is the defining feature of it's gameplay.
                Better luck next time!

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Immersive sim isn't a genre. It's a design philosophy. Don't try to connect it to action stealth hybrid with light RPG gaming as if that's some function of being an immersive sim
                Just makes you look foolish

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Dude, this guy said Cyberpunk 2077 is the closest relative VTMB has. All the supposed immersive sims he's wanking off now? More distant relatives? Deus Ex? Eh.

                Now CYBERPUNK 2077, ON THE OTHER HAND, HOOOOLYYYYYY... That's a true relative.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >VTMB
                >Deus Ex
                These are not immersive sims. They are pretenders. Actual immersive sims are things like Ultima Underworld and Morrowind which let you do things like completely fuck up any chance you have of completing the main story and yet the game goes on regardless. There's actually very few immersive sims in existence. Cyberpunk is not one of them.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I found a flushable toilet in cyberpunk so I consider it a boomer shooter at heart.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >These are not immersive sims. They are pretenders.
                What is wrong with you people? Genuinely. Medically. What is your diagnosis?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                People have different points of references and form different opinions based on those.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >People have different points of references and form different opinions based on those.
                There is a difference between a different point of view, and retarded desperate contrarianism that goes against any actual established facts.

                The term "immersive sim" was coined in 2000 by Warren Spector in 2000 and 2002 SPECIFICALLY to label following games: System Shock 1 and 2, Thief 1 and 2, Deus Ex, and in the later paper, Arx Fatalis. And it was EXPLICITLY coined as a term for games that do share a DNA with Ultima's sandbox design, but also further adopt a more streamlined and focused approach, drawing the second part of their design from titles like Doom and Half-life.

                Those are the explicitly words of Warren Spector, the man who fucking coined that term.

                There is a term for the extreme freedom of games like Ultima and later Daggerfall, and it's "sandbox". And it is a sandbox inspiration that is one half of im-sim core design. But it is explicitly only a half of it.

                You can't take a term that clearly coined and has clear, simple, widely recognized use, and then just say everyone else is wrong and apply it to something completely different, that has it's own established term already - and then claim it's a matter of perspective.

                It's not. There are both clear statements of people who coined the term, and established conventions of use which you can't just fucking ignore.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                No one gives a fuck who coined the term. The design philosophy predates the name. Kind of like how cyberpunk still existed before some random guy decided "This is a new genre and it needs a name and we will call it 'cyberpunk'". Ultima Underworld, TES and Arx Fatalis are immersive sims. Thief, Deus Ex, etc. are not immersive sims. They are stealth/action/whatever games with an open world and that's it. Warren Spector may have been trying to make immersive sims in the same vein as Ultima Underworld but he completely failed in achieving that. He didn't make an immersive simulation of a world. He made a narrative driven linear adventure game.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >No one gives a fuck who coined the term.
                Kid, how fucking delusional, how fucking completely out of this world narcissitic, fucking PSYCHOTIC do you have to be to go and say:
                "There is this term, invented by these people for a specific use, which was then widely adopted and is heavily used even today - BUT IT'S ALL WRONG BECAUSE I SAY SO!"

                The design that predates that name, does not carry that name. SANDBOX DESIGN predates the term "immersive sim".
                The term immersive sim refers to a design that combines some features of a sandbox with a lot more focused and streamlined design.
                That is what it was coined to mean, and that is how it's used.

                NOBODY GIVES A FUCK about what you, a literally delusional, mentally ill piece of shit, wants it to mean. Nobody gives a FUCK that you are so desperate to be a contrarian that you just declare literally everything wrong.

                Get a fucking grip you god damn broken shitstain. You are mentally ill and you need to fucking snap out of it. You. DO NOT. HAVE THE AUTHORITY. TO FUCKING DECIDE THIS.

                You are an idiot. A literally mentally broken shambling parody of a human. Fucking learn your place.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Just out of curiosity, when you make these essay posts, do you think you're making them all at the same person?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >do you think you're making them all at the same person?
                I don't really care, and I have no idea why you would either.
                I'm right in what I'm saying. You are a bunch of mentally damaged insecure twats. And patently wrong.
                That is all that matters here.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I never understood what about that term makes you people go this mental. I used to assume it's an autistic thing - because the term isn't self-defining, which is a quirk of real language that triggers more severe autists a lot.
                But it seems that isn't your problem, yet for some reason the term still makes you piss yourself.
                Why?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Kid
                You're underaged or a lost boomer shill.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                He's absolutely not a boomer. Dude just said Cyberpunk 2077 is a closer relative to VTMB than Deus Ex.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >He's absolutely not a boomer. Dude just said Cyberpunk 2077 is a closer relative to VTMB than Deus Ex.
                Because there is a number of glaring similarities between VTM:B and Cyberpunk that Deus Ex does not have.
                Both VTM:B and Cyberpunk are im-sims, mechanically quite similar, and it's obvious CP77 wanted to copy the same approach (whenever it was succesful at it is... debatable).

                However - CP77's approach to narrative is far more reminiscent of VTM:B, with much greater reactivity and emphasis on dialogue than Deus Ex has - where the story is still mostly linear (in all three of the games), CP77 and VTM:B both give player greater space to form aliances and affinities, as well as find purely dialogue-based solutions to entire quests - something DX did not feature.
                Furthermore, the whole background option defining your dialogue options and even some narrative affinities is EXTREMELY reminiscent of the impact of VTM:B clan background (albeit scaled down a lot). DX does not feature anything comparable.
                And finally, the whole fucking quickhacking is literally just the same fucking thing as the magic in VTM:B, and again, DX does not feature any similar mechanics.

                So yeah, I do maintain that while DX and VTM:B are both imsims, and imsims were the biggest inspiration for CP77, there is a FAR more similarities between CP77 and VTM:B.

                Again - how you personally feel CP77 is succesful in emulating VTM:B is another subject. I have a lot of issues with CP77's gameplay, and I don't think it reliably emulates it's main source of inspiration succesfully.
                But the analogies are very clear and very obvious.

                Please tell me now how I am a zoomer for that analysis, I'm waiting to have another laugh.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >However - CP77's approach to narrative is far more reminiscent of VTM:B, with much greater reactivity and emphasis on dialogue than Deus Ex has - where the story is still mostly linear (in all three of the games), CP77 and VTM:B both give player greater space to form aliances and affinities, as well as find purely dialogue-based solutions to entire quests - something DX did not feature.
                lmao

                The rest of your post just goes back to you handwaving away Cyberpunk 2077's open world padding as a skybox, which yes, it is, but that still makes it miles farther from Vampire than Deus Ex, retard.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Kid.
                We have been through this.
                Everything you said is either a lie, or mental illness.
                Do we have to go through the whole cycle of you not knowing what an RPG is, not knowing how CP77 works, not knowing what an im-sim is, not knowing what a cyberpunk genre is, unironically still clinging to fucking shazzam memes even today again?

                Rest assured that all your "kids" and your "ackshuallys" and just your general cringe sentences like these are embarrassing you and you alone.

                You do realize those are making fun of you, right? Did you not pick up on me making fun of your AHKHUZUUUAZAH because for the first two hours of this thread, your only, well it's not an argument, so let's call it your only VERBAL SPAZMS were "an AHKSHUAL RPG/CYBERPUNK WOULD NOT..." retarded bullshit.

                That is why I started making fun of you for that. How did you not pick up on that?
                As for being called a kid: Get used to it. It's going to happen a LOT in your life.
                If it scares you so much though, you could always try acting like an adult for a change.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Kid.
                cringe
                >We have been through this.
                cringe
                >You do realize those are making fun of you, right?
                cringe
                >Did you not pick up on me making fun of your AHKHUZUUUAZAH because for the first two hours of this thread, your only, well it's not an argument
                cringe

                Stop writing these pompous manifestos like you're in a fucking movie, Jesus Christ.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I rest my case, kid. You could have not make my point better for me if you tried.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                u sound liek a faget, check m8

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Deus Ex is an even more based example to pull off, since that fag could have just gone "Eeeeerm, VTMB is about VAMPIRES, so of course that game had to be at night, it has nothing to do with artistic vision and proper design set pieces instead of an open world kitchen sink approach"

            The open world meme has ruined a lot of vidya, but RPGs might have been the most raped by it.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              Can you be any more pathetic? Seriously, is this a contest of some kind?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        BASED

        I still remember laughing my ass off when I first saw that trailer with the rednecks. They completely lost the plot.

  16. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >load up Cyberpunk
    >find a group of enemies
    >cast my contagion spell
    >everyone in the entire area dies within seconds
    >walk around looting all the garbage weapons that I don't need because everything gets killed in an instant with my techmagic

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >find a group of enemies
      >everyone in the entire area dies within seconds
      Fix'd. Build is irrelevant, V becomes a killing machine.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        at least other builds require you to do something
        Contagion is so horribly broken that you literally don't even have to do anything

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, the ballance is the biggest still unresolved issue this game has, ESPECIALLY in relation to quickhacking.
      The game just does not have any means to scale difficulty in response to quickhacks.

      >find a group of enemies
      >everyone in the entire area dies within seconds
      Fix'd. Build is irrelevant, V becomes a killing machine.

      On the hardest difficulty, non-hacking approaches still remain somewhat risky, actually. The game basically completely ignores any damage-reduction related stats of the player, making it that even very low level basic enemies can one or twoshot you, regardless of your gear or build.

      But the issue with quickhacking isn't addressed even on that difficulty. Again, the game has no way to scale enemy responses to quickhacking, which I think is result of extremely cut down and neutered hackplay all together.
      The game desperately needed to introduce counter-hacking tools, which would require netrunner enemies with an actual suit of mechanics, and the game just dropped that at some point.

      Stealth suffers a similar problem, though there are at least SOME countermeasures to that.
      Direct combat is the only part of the game that properly scales with difficulty settings.

  17. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    You made that up

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      CDPR clearly made it up for sure. Those lying Pole gays

  18. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Remember when this shit game was originally a RPG?

  19. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Very first episode depressed me too much. I just relate too much to the main character getting absolutely fucked over by the world.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I was a teenage outlaw
      With no worries on my mind
      And now I'm getting older
      My heart is growing colder, oh, that's fine

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >better Street Kid than V
        >better rags to riches story than V
        >better girlfriend than V
        >more compelling story than V
        Can't stop winning

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Literally me too bro. We’re all gonna make it.

  20. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    after the anime i started playing it. and its gooood, im schocked

  21. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    You meet her in game.

  22. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    are the rumors about the game being completely remade because the dude who ownd cdprojeckt decided to take cyberpunk from the original devs who made witcher1/2 and give it to the new western zoomer devs because of how popular witcher 3 was?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Sounds like cope to try to justify how shit the game is while letting CDPR in the clear.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        the opposite actually. the original witcher 1/2 devs left when it happened because he threw out all their original work which what was the original trailer and a more cyberpunk style game with different jobs instead of just the set path the game is now. They also changed the story drastically, which became about some punk rocker, which later became all about one punk rocker because they got keanu reeves for the job. dunno whether the 1st part is rumor or truth, i do know the part about keanu is true. They changed and expanded the story of keanus character after they got him for the role, because they got him for the role, until he was essentially the main character.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >i do know the part about keanu is true
          Jesus fucking Christ kid:
          STOP.

          Literally the fucking earliest existing concept art for the game, predating Keanu's involvement by FOUR YEARS, is all focused on fucking Johnny as the central character.
          How dumb, fucking guilible are you?

  23. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    never liked that trailer, song was annoying and cringe, muh responsibility

  24. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Please tell me when CDPR said we'd be MaxTac. That's like saying every teaser trailer is exactly what we're gonna be doing in-game

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >That's like saying every teaser trailer is exactly what we're gonna be doing in-game
      that's usually what teaser trailers infer, yeah. and no, they never did say it specifically but you could certainly infer it from the teaser. and it's clear the game underwent several revisions from prototyping to final build. none of that is out of the ordinary. what's out of the ordinary is how bloody long it took to make and how "public" it was thanks to the press materials (the firs teaser etc).

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >no sidequest to join a faction
      >cant join maxtac cant join trauma team cant join any of the other gangs cant join up with a corporation
      other games have done this shit for years decades before this was shat out this is the least RPG RPG i've ever seen

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Unironically would have been better if those things were gta:sa tier repeatable side missions rather then not having them at all.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >they didn't literally promise in a contract written in blood in the trailer you'd have a feature they had to cut anyway so why'd you expect to do something you could literally do in the actual rigor any decent rpg ever... c-chud
      The mental gymnastics of a cyberchud

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        By that logic I should've been able to be Gus Fring in FC6 since they showed him in the trailer

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          I also was supposed to be a zombie in Dead Island since the trailer had zombies

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      They didn't. The leaked 2013 build already shows V being the main character and an independent merc.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >cyberhaters conveniently ignore this fact

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >cyberhaters conveniently ignore this fact

        it actually didn’t lmao

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Not like the video is on YouTube or anything anon

  25. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Cyberpunk 2077 is a closer relative to VTMB than Deus Ex is
    I know Ganker has a lot of retards, but Cyberpunk 2077 apologists are something else.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Surprised he didn't say Cyberpunk 2077 is an "immersive sim". Would have been the cherry on top.

  26. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    That teaser was awesome and all we got was zoomer slop

  27. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    PERSONAL

  28. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Cyberpunk sucked but still made billions and within six months everyone outraged just moved on or forgot. That's just how it is now. Even the Steam page is at 76% and will likely rise when the DLC drops.

    It's time to let go of what we hoped it would be, and just move on.

  29. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    based, though I don't know why you (You)'d me when I agree completely.

  30. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I like cyberpunk. I'm currently replying on my steam deck.

  31. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    CP2077 despite its flaws is still the best open world game of recent years

    Shits on Watchdogs Legion, shits on AC and shits on GTA.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Ricky, despite his flaws, is the winner of the special Olympics. Shits on Marty, Timmy and Baba.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >CP2077 despite its flaws is still the best open world game of recent years
      I don't know if I can agree with that. CP77 is absolutely the most beautiful open world of recent history, and absolutely amazing as far as environmental storytelling goes.

      But mechanically, it's beyond under-utilized. I stand by what I said earlier in this conversation, that CP77 is basically VTM:B with a huge, beautiful explorable skybox.

      Because that really is the open world in CP77. It's functionally a fucking skybox - there to make the world look more beautiful and narratively complete, but otherwise functionally meaningless.

      And when people talk about "good" or "bad" open worlds, I still think the mechanical role should be the most important and valued one. And hell, even fucking AssCreed or FarCry games do better job of actually integrating their open-worlds into the gameplay.

      So based on that, I can say that the open world of CP77 is an impressive artistic achievement, but pretty bad GAME OPEN WORLD overal.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >but pretty bad GAME OPEN WORLD overal
        At least you're willing to admit that. But it's ok, there's no such thing as a good open world RPG game anyways.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Dragon’s Dogma got pretty close

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >At least you're willing to admit that. But it's ok, there's no such thing as a good open world RPG game anyways.
          Why do you insist on further drawing attention to how stupid you are?
          Is this a fetish thing? Does public humiliation get you off or something?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Rest assured that all your "kids" and your "ackshuallys" and just your general cringe sentences like these are embarrassing you and you alone.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      it's not even better the saints woke edition.

  32. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Remember what they took from you!

  33. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    We're really going back to the arguments about the sun?

  34. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I thought we were getting a more polished, longer Syndicate when 2077 was announced.

  35. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    No because that was never the case, you fool.

  36. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    are there any good cyberpunk games?
    I liked va-11hallA and stray.
    What else is there?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      G-Police

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Detroit: Become Human

  37. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    so confused as to why anyone would defend vampire the masquerade, when it’s not even half baked. It’s about a quarter way from being a glorified tech demo for facial animations. The levels fall apart at Chinatown, and the “rpg” system falls apart.

  38. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >we will never get the things we were promised, an RPG where you can play a dozens of classes, multiples paths and dozens of ending, with a city that feel like a dystopia
    maybe in 20 years.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >dozens of classes
      The Cyberpunk handbook only has like 8 classes doesnt it?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, but Ganker is retarded and creates what they want to help them escape their own retardation, but also to save themselves from their empty life by constantly creating new things to complain about.

  39. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    in retrospect I'm glad they ditched the grimdark cyberpunk, looks generic as fuck

  40. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Basically, accepting that Cyberpunk 2077's open world is, much like every open world, really, nothing but an elaborate skybox to get normie awe and be in marketing material does not change the fact that it's a major design decision, and indeed, far more an actual genre than "immersive sim". One that changes the way the content is spaced and delivered. The density of what you're doing. The amount of time wasting. And just the overall design shit in between the stuff that actually matters. Vampire and Deus Ex have perfectly cozy atmospheric hubs that, while we're on the subject of immersive sims, properly immerse you, while in Cyberpunk 2077, when you get out of your apartment and are into the streets, you're basically just playing GTA.

    That alone makes it a very far relative. A distant off-shoot fourth cousin, at best. It's far more relevant than fucking quickhacking.

  41. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Arasaka > PlayStation
    Militech > Xbox

  42. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    how expensive are their helmets you think? they look like NVGs/Thermals integrated into them or are they cyberware?

  43. 1 week ago
    Anonymous
  44. 1 week ago
    Anonymous
  45. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >unironically justifying the original teaser by deflecting the fact that the MC was never supposed to be a part of maxtac
    and that justifies the obviously unfinished and tacked on “”””””””””maxtac”””””””””” sidequests where you do their job for them exactly the appear like literally once in the entire game and you can’t even dress like them or idk roleplay or do anything other than shoot some “”””””””cyber psycho”””””” (see: regular enemy) 60 times

  46. 1 week ago
    Anonymous
  47. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    No, I remember that we were actually going to have lifepath choices that mattered.

  48. 1 week ago
    Anonymous
  49. 1 week ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Based agura pose with on model proportions to her fairly petite form.

  50. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    The game is half off on steam right now.
    Is it worth buying?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      yes

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      buy it on gog dummy

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      just pirate it

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      It is not.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Buy it from the pirate bay.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      only if your rig is good +3080 at least don't listen to poorfag third worlders here.

  51. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Were we? Don't remember anything like that being said. That was just a proof of concept trailer to show off the world of Cyberpunk. They haven't even started working on the game/

  52. 1 week ago
    Anonymous
  53. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Remember when we were going to originally play as a Pyscho Squad member
    If the game was gonna be about playing a cyberpunk super cop, It would have been titled Judge Dread.

  54. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    How badass are Max Tech in the lore?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      They dunk on cyberpsychos for a living, they are easily the most tricked out faction

  55. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    “they didn’t lie”
    le ebin lmao you must be really fucking bored to be baiting this hard
    epic thread cybershills

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      You know what is the actual, real difference between the two of us?
      I was never hyped for CP77 to begin with. Which is why I could watch you absolute, fucking pathetic shitstains piss all over yourselves from the start.

      I was never excited about the game. I just read whatever news there were, none of which made me any more excited. And then I pirated the game when it came out, played through, and found it to be a mess, which I was expecting from the start.

      You pathetic, insane cunts, were babbling nonsense the whole time it was in development. First pissing yourself over how amazing it's going to be even though it directly contradicted what the devs said, and then also pissing yourself about how you were betrayed and how much of a victim you are.

      Sane people were watching you idiots with horror from the start.
      The game was an absolute mess on release, and still is, but to you idiots, the game never mattered. You never actually fucking red the god damn info. It was always about entirely fucking fictional endless festival of retardation about shit that never existed - one way or another.

      You still don't even fucking know how the game plays for fuck sake. We had a retard actually, genuinely fucking not knowing that story missions have fixed time frames in this game.

      It was and still is impossible to even discuss CP77 here. Because NOBODY HERE has or had any connection to any form of reality.

      You were always lying, always acting like fucking children and lunatics, and you continue to do so.
      NOTHING is a bigger example of how this board does not give a fuck about games than this shitstorm.

      CP77 always served exclusively as an outlet for your mental deficiencies.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        why do you waste reddit spaces on Gankereddit trash?
        You're arguing with morons and zoomers, utter fucking children stuck to old ass consoles because their poor parents wont buy them a new one. Retards that actually buy games without a second thought.
        Imagine these fucking losers crying over about politicians lying to them and not fulfilling "muh PrOmiSES". It's the same quality of moron mentality complaining about not getting enough welfare.
        Be more concise and just get on their level. Call them for what they are, fucking uppity entitled cunts.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >Be more concise and just get on their level. Call them for what they are, fucking uppity entitled cunts.
          That is to say, validate their /reddit/ bullshit and making sure the board stays that way?
          No thanks. I will address things as comes naturally to me, and I'm not getting on their level because being on their level is cancerous to this board, and it's that cancerous influence that I take issue with.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Ganker is beyond saving. It's the same fucking arguments as on reddit. Parroting the same fucking complaints, posting the same fucking crowbcat video or old ass compilations. It's memetic and beyond your control. These people are literal NPCs. Don't excuse yourself because it's only procrastination that is holding me and you on this fucking board.

  56. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    epic essay bro didn’t read
    your dickriding is as endless as your retardation blahblahblahblah

  57. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    no not at all

  58. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Also I applaud cdpr for their brilliant marketing and hooking retards to their product with promises alone. They deserved all the cash they got.

  59. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >he’s now replying to himself
    lol

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      meds

  60. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Remember when the game was going to be the tabletop RPG but ported to PC?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >no corpos
      >no cops
      I want to oppress people and think I'm on the good side of the shit fence, not being so kind of stupid anarchist

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      It’s not too late to do that. I’m wondering why there’s no official announcement on this.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous
  61. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >finish game
    >feel nothing but shame for CDPR
    >finish anime
    >feel longing, the need for my own Lucy, and to try and better myself while listening to Let You Down on repeat
    I hadn't felt this way in a long time. I'm talking about "staring out into the night sky for half an hour doing nothing but think about how I ended up in the monotonous life I live" levels os yearning. And all of it from four hours and a half of a show.
    Don't know if it says more about its quality or my brain

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Same

  62. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I was expecting an RPG set in a cyberpunk city. Instead it was just GTA with robo-chuds

  63. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    damn the game is good. im my frist playtrough on ps5, and fucking love it

  64. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    OP, you're retarded as usual.

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