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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >or an Exceedingly Rare Special Item!
    israeli lies.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I mean, specifically for THIS CRATE, yes, it's a total lie, Unusuals are immeasurably less rare than the "standard" content of those crates.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    pick the worst one
    >horse armor in oblivion
    >mannco update
    >xbox live membership

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Of the three it's easily xbl

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      mannco update.
      pricey cosmetics are bad, but gambling in games that are often targeted at children is even worse.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Dauly reminder TF2 is rated M
        And was a paid game at the time.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      mannco and it's not even close

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Xbox Live. Paying for your own internet, paying for the actual game, then paying for an additional membership to be able to play online when PC has always had free online. Absolutely insane. And what's worse: there were no dedicated servers. It was all peer to peer servers that people hosted with their own internet(that they're paying for). The only server that was involved was a master server that listed the peer to peer servers.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      3rd one never came to PC
      horse armor was bad but expansion DLC was before it and how it should be
      I pick mannco update. because that still exists even now in nearly all online games. Battle pass is just its new name.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        battlepass is even worse
        it basicly turns any game into a second job
        i have a few friends who are victims to this system and they know it but are powerless to stop it

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >3rd one never came to PC

        True, but Microsoft was sure trying with Games For Windows Live. It never had any membership fees(that I know of), but knowing Microsoft, they would have tried it eventually if gamers didn't tell them to knock it off.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Battlepasses are the gayest thing to have happened to vidya in the recent decade. At least gachaslop lets you know upfront that the game is dogshit and not worth a second of your time,
        battlepasses take away parts of a full game and gives it back to you only if you play every day, every week, every month, to fill up a little bar to get the skins or other items that should've been available to you on day 1 to begin with.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I remember being so jealous of my cousin because he had a PS3 and could play online for free, meanwhile I was at the mercy of whether my parents
      But hey, I at least had games

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      horse armor was pretty much universally hated right? i feel like companies would look at that whole thing about what NOT to do
      that subscription service shit never came to PC and nintendo held it off for a while so id say manco

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Horse armor was so universally hated that other companies took similar cosmetic DLC they had off game stores as a response. Not a single dev took inspiration from Oblivion when adding paid cosmetics lol.
      Xbox live is a product of a bygone era, and will most likely be phased out by next year as game pass and playstation plus become game subscriptions a la netflix.
      Mannco update is the clear winner here, the trading community in TF2 is easily the worst part of the game community.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      mannco
      That shit just opened pandoras box, even overwatch boxes were better designed than those, always funny to see morons mention overwatch boxes but never the abomination steam boxes are
      >need the box
      >need to buy the FRICKING KEY

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Difference is in Gabe games you can get skin that can be sold for 50k USD. OW skins doesn't make you money, Gabe skins can earn you metric ton of real cash. A lot of anons have their entire steam libraries being paid by skins.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          And thats exactly the problem too, you could trade that shit for real money, same shitnas CS, same as Dota2.
          Terrible system, terrible precedent, terrible consequences, doesn't matters if others were doing it, when steam did this shit it was over, no one was going to stop the stream of this

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >pay 3 and a half dollars to get items worth literal pennies with a very VERY slim chance of getting items worth a hundred or 2 at most
          sure anon
          Also didnt this update not have the ability to sell items on the storefront at the time? Just trading? And also didn't it not have things like stranges or unusuals either, so you were just buying the chance to unbox basic hats and mostly weapons?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Difference is in Casino games you can win real money. Casino games can earn you metric ton of real cash. A lot of anons did win Casino games.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Fricking moron.

          CS:GO cases have such a low return on investment rate it's not even funny. Your average CS:GO case has like a 30-40% rate, while a fricking slot machine in a shitty casino will probably have around 85%.

          99% of people who got rich through CS:GO skins didn't do that through opening cases, they did that through investing, which is a whole other thing. But unironically, going to a casino, getting lucky and then making an investment in real life would probably make you much richer than fricking around with the Steam market.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >cases have such a low return on investment rate it's not even funny

            thanks to lootboxes and the market, i haven't had to pay for a real game in years.
            i got an OLED deck for free rofl

            >thanks to lootboxes and the market, i haven't had to pay for a real game in years.
            >i got an OLED deck for free rofl

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Let me be clear, I've opened $200 worth of lootboxes in my life. Trading and luck, holding onto legacy skins made my inventory worth $80k

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Steam bucks is not real money

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Xbox Live, because in predating the other two, it conditioned people to pay for needless bullshit. Horse armor should have been in the game to begin with, cosmetics in games should have stayed purely unlockable by playtime instead of via your credit card.
      I hate my teenage self for being part of the problem back when I played TF2, but at least it taught me not to fall for this shit in new games. The one credit I can give Valve over other game companies is that the items are actually transferrable between accounts, but it's still gay shit that shouldn't have existed to begin with.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >the items are actually transferrable between accounts
        If they released mannco today, that wouldn't be the case

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, probably. But at least they never went "NO REFUNDS" after the fact, I guess.

          Buying skins is worthless if you can't trade them away. What happens if you get move on from a game and can't even sell the junk you paid for over the years

          That's just it, you move on. These kinds of games don't want you to do that, so they hope you develop sunk cost brain over the stuff you already bought and keep playing/buying more. The only winning move is to bite the bullet and accept you wasted money like a moron. I've had to do it, myself.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Buying skins is worthless if you can't trade them away. What happens if you get move on from a game and can't even sell the junk you paid for over the years

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          tough shit?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      theyre all part of the same crap river

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's always Microsoft.
      Even the first two are linked to them inextricably.

      3rd one never came to PC
      horse armor was bad but expansion DLC was before it and how it should be
      I pick mannco update. because that still exists even now in nearly all online games. Battle pass is just its new name.

      >3rd one never came to PC
      >Still killed dedicated servers
      >Still killed multiple genres by introducing standardized Xinput controllers as an input device that must be respected instead of ridiculed
      >Still corrupted DLC practices
      >Still introduced online play to consoles

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Xbox live by far. I don't even buy modern consoles because of paywalled online play. And it set PC online gaming back by a decade. Server browsers are slowly becoming mainstream again

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Oh Xbox Live, Easily.
      It's what eventually completely killed user servers and let cabals of troons completely infest what little organic communities still exist.
      The Mannconomy update came with FIVE fricking class packs AND put the TF2 modding scene into overdrive since now there wasn't just the incentive to make skin mods but now the shit you make may even end up being the official model for a weapon Valve is working on.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Xbox live normalizing paying twice for internet has to be the biggest fricking scam ever pulled off on gaming at large. The advent of lootboxes may have brought gambling and its vice into the living room but at least by and large thats still entirely optional and has gotten some proper push back over the years. Horse armor was rightfully mocked and paying extra for some gay cosmetic is ultimately a harmless practice unless your a whale with no self control or respect.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/eQVHpiH.png

      >ruined an entire generation of online multiplayer games

      It grinds my gears that Valve isn't given shit for this. People disingenuously ignore it and just say HORSE ARMOR BAD

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        loot boxes already existed way before the mann co. update lol

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          not in a paid for game before

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, in shitty f2p games that were always given the boot by a majority of the players.
          But when it comes to CS:GO or TF2 lootboxes, there are no bad devs just bad players

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          TF popularized it, just like Xbox Live popularized paid multiplayer access. There is a difference between some nobody doing something nobody cares about and making something the industry standard through your position in the market.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Mann Co crate shit has been entirely optional this entire time, and I mean ACTUALLY optional, since you could realistically trade for literally anything that you could find in crates, and has indirectly had the benefit NOW of quarantining all the shitty emporium hats from the Fabricate Headgear recipe.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Optional but it doesn't mean it isn't obnoxious as frick. Yeah it's optional to pay for the umpteen skins and you can technically get it for free if you are a NEET grinding 60 days in a battle pass but that doesn't excuse the scummy practice or the whale encouragement.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            they always use "its optional" as a crutch but also ignore all the times the game will throw that shit in your face
            yeah it sure is fun getting millions of crates that i cannot open unless i buy a fricking key
            all these annoying ass notifications
            yes its optional but its also blatantly obvious that the devs want me to buy this and will do everything in their power to make me

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >OOOH BUT IT'LL TAKE YOU THREE THOUSAND YEARS TO GET THESE ITEMSSSS
            Youtubers have done dozens of series on trading up to an unusual in a day.
            You're a fricking moron.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              you can also find tons of people on youtube winning huge at the casino
              doesnt make going to the casino a good idea

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Overwatch crates are optional and require no money spent if you play the game 10 hours a day for 3 years straight.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Horse Armor
      Basically cosmetic DLC. Entirely optional and straight forward to acquire.

      >Mannco
      Basically invented lootboxes and brought gacha cancer to mainstream video games. Not only do items contain game altering attributes, but you're literally gambling to get them.

      >Xbox live
      Basically pay to play online. Pretty cancerous, but I find it straight how no one complains about paid online except when shitting on Nintendo so I guess it's whatever.

      Out of the three, I'd say Valve did irreversible damage to the industry, but they still have so much goodwill people ignore it.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      XBox live is pure undistilled garbage that stops you from playing online unless you pay a monthly fee. The other two at least let you play the game

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      was never able to witness halo multiplayer at its peak because my parents refused to pay for xbox live membership so i had to play campaign or imagine what its like going around alone on the multiplayer maps

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      PSN, easily. It copied Xbox live and then pretended that Microsoft was Le big bad when it did the most predatory shit in the 90s.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        At first, I was fine with the PSN pass or whatever the frick it was called. Being able to play older PS1 and 2 games at the comfort of my couch instead of a chair. But then, I saw the price and the small library of ""content"" and I was genuinely pissed

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Anon a lot of the children in this board grew up with XBL so you're touching a sensitive spot in their little baby-powdered buttholes, but yeah it's easily XBL.
      Anyone who can't see just how fricking destructive it's been in the long run has no right to talk about videogames ever.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Keep in mind that PS3 online services were free until they saw how much Micropenissoft made and decided to monetize it for the PS4

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's one of the reasons I actually bought a PS3 back in the day and haven't bothered with a PS4. Well, and at least PS3 had some exclusives until pretty much everything got ported to other platforms a few years later.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Let's never forget the GOAT

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    nexon was pulling this shit years before it was cool

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sure, but it was Gabe who forced gacha into western gaming.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Wrong. Lootboxes were invented in China, but the first major western game to use them was actually FIFA. It was EA who forced them in western gaming.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Even ignoring it being what kicked off the microtransaction craze in gaming, I hate this update purely for the fact that it started the trend of TF2 changing its artstyle for monetary gain.
    also I hate to admit it but trading and microtransactions are most likely the only reason TF2 is still around to this day

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Single time payment package should run my vidya for all eternity!
    Why are gamers so fricking self entitled?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      not being happy with our current situation is why we are currently able to shitpost at eachother from thousands of miles away over magic electricity cave paintings while in a nice heated room and belly full of food
      i will never stop complaining and always try to make things better for myself

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Worked fine for decades

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Single time payment package should run my vidya for all eternity!
      This. Buying the game is the cost to me, the player, for playing it. That's it.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If you take the responsibility, then you have taken responsibility.
      If the game contains DRM, then it must allow legitimate users access in perpetuity.
      If a game requires online authentication, then it must offer that authentication in perpetuity.
      If a game has not allowed community server hosting, then it must host its servers in perpetuity.
      If a game has not made itself open to modification, then it must be maintained in perpetuity.
      If the game can not be copied off its storage medium, then that medium must function in perpetuity.
      The simple solution is to disable restrictions and give the community the required tools to keep the game alive.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Didnt the Sims created the whole furnite/cosmetic dlc before TF2?

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    and yet overwatch and nu battlefront 2(much more deservedly) became the fall guys for this shit lol

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Just don't buy keys?
    I was prime demo for this shit and I just wasn't a paypig

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's not about being a paypig, it's about the fact that Valve was the stepping stop for other scummy studios to heavily monetize their games with garbage lootboxes and whatnot

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        But it wasn't because they're all cosmetic and you can trade/transfer/sell the contents.
        Loot boxes didn't even start with valve, maple story had them a decade earlier and they much more resemble the modern versions

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          tf2 was the first instance of a game you paid for having that shit
          f2p games were already expected to be scummy af back then
          the main issue is when a game you pay for is doing that shit

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >RTS game
    >4X game
    >FPS game
    >MMO game
    >game with lootboxes or keys

    Games I will never play.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    meanwhile fortnite ruined an entire generation

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >gabe good
    >tim bad

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      'Yes.'

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This crate ruined an entire generation of games but not for the reasons you are thinking. This shit dropping (Along side weapon drops) with a trade system means that vlad is using the game as a shitty cryptofarm and employs botnets to do so.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    1 unusual hat per ~$400 isn’t even that bad. The dopamine hit is worth it easily but in terms of money your better off just buying the hat you want outright for cash

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I got extremely high one time playing TF2 with my friends and we together had over 200 crates so I told everyone give me your crates and I will open them all up at once. I think I bought over 300 keys with my dad's credit card. Somehow my dad managed to convince his credit card details got stolen and didn't have to pay for anything. All while I didn't say a word about it.
    Of all the shit I opened I got two unusuals of good value, which prompted everyone bombarded me with friend requests and trades that I had to make my profile private and uninstall the game.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      And you didn't get your Steam account locked for chargebacks? That's like the one thing they ban you completely for (even VAC just stops you from playing Valve games.)

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        maybe? It was on a steam account I used only for a few years and only had Orange Box games on it. This was back in 2012. My current steam account was created in 2015.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Right. It ruined it so bad that even the government had to step in to curb any further normalization. Oh wait, that's not Overwatch.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You're thinking of Battlefront 2, you moron. You can't even get those right

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Overwatch kickstarted a AAA-wide adoption of lootboxes, moron. Battlefront 2 was merely the one that bit more than EA could chew and got the government's attention as a result.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          yeah but valve started it, ergo shit's fricked

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No, the lootcrate gambling cancer started with CS:GO. Overwatch merely copied that, which prompted every other AAA company to copy OW

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Overwatch kickstarted adoption of lootboxes
          No that was CS:GO. I still remembering it making daytime news how children were gambling on third party sites for weapon skins. Shit was fricked.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            what's so fricked up about that

            it was awesome betting on csgolounge even though i never made much, bad genes + low iq leads to gambling addicts

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i was going to make a thread on this but this will do i guess

    i can't get into games anymore because valve ruined my brain

    games like tf2 and cs2 give you items just for playing that have monetary value, so you don't feel like you're wasting your time, now i can't play anything else because i am afraid of "wasting" time and money

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the perfectly trained cattle that nft bros want lol
      youre supposed to have fun playing games anon

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        i know and it really sucks, whenever i see idle games all i can think is "wow why would anyone play that you dont get anything from it"

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Gachas in mmos predate crates you underage gay

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Last I checked, TF2 isn't an MMO, and gacha crates weren't this normalized in regular multiplayer games than they are now

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    on one hand i absolutely agree
    on the other hand i took full advantage of the crate depression and unboxed multiple guaranteed unusuals, thereby winning tf2

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I once got one of these as a random drop and sold it to some scammer for the deus specs without knowing what it was worth.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the amount of homies I scammed with these
    I was making bank when I was 12

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      do you mean israeliteing (literally what everyone called it back then lol)

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        yeah israeliteing right
        I must have gone through like 20 or 30 pairs of earbuds in that timeframe

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Loot box 🙁
    Loot box valve :0

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >game goes free to play
    >player base doesn't die out from a paywall
    >supported by cosmetics
    >community makes maps and items for the game
    >get a cut of the revenue
    >near-infinite supply of content for a game
    >i get gameplay updates and content for free
    >no player base fracturing DLC
    lootboxes are the best thing to happen to gaming.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      base doesn't die out from a paywall
      No, they get shut down in 2 years unless backed by a big company
      by cosmetics
      Basically scams. Since every form of progress is locked behind a paywall of cosmetic/lootboxes, it kills most of the joy of the game. The lobbies will either be filled with tryhard sweats that have been there since day 1 or a couple of noobs that just picked it up and will drop in a few months
      >>get a cut of the revenue
      Doesn't happen anymore. Even it turned out that Valve has been a bit scummy with its mod contracts
      >>near-infinite supply of content for a game
      HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! When was the last TF2 update? You're never seeing a single major update until 4 months when the season is over. And even then the content would be barebones
      >>i get gameplay updates and content for free
      AKA shit that was supposed to be packaged with the game day 1. But they released 40% of a game and ship the rest as seasonal content

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >No, they get shut down in 2 years unless backed by a big company
        Because the community isn't incentivised to make content for those games, nor can they
        >Since every form of progress
        It's cosmetic you moron.
        >Doesn't happen anymore.
        Valve still pay out for cosmetics you moron
        >When was the last TF2 update?
        It just got a 64-bit client, with a summer and winter update last year moron. Reminder, TF2 launched in 2007 you moron.
        >AKA shit that was supposed to be packaged with the game day 1
        How the frick can you be this dense? How is the community supposed to make content for a game before its release you giga moron??????????????????????????????????

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Because the community isn't incentivised to make content for those games, nor can they
          And the game dies, contradicting the moronic statement you made
          >It's cosmetic you moron.
          Meaning weapons/classes/maps and whatnot will be fully unlocked, giving no sense of progression or purpose in the game. Your only 'progression' is to cough up money for cosmetics or see your level increase, which does absolutely nothing
          >Valve still pay out for cosmetics
          And how much is that? How much does Valve pay the modders and skin creators when they take those assets and put them in their games because they don't want to bother working on the game
          >update last year
          Fricking underage moron. The last major update TF2 had was 7 years ago with Jungle Inferno
          >How is the community supposed to make content for a game before its release
          By making the fricking game before it's shipped you absolute toddler. That's how it has always been before live services became a thing
          You don't go to a bike shop and buy a fricking wheel while the owner promises you that you'll have your bike 4 years from now

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >And the game dies
            they're not incentivised because there's no rev share in other games with lootboxes you fricking moron
            >Meaning weapons/classes/maps and whatnot will be fully unlocked, giving no sense of progression or purpose in the game.
            zoom zoom can't have fun in a game unless he's getting exp and cheevos LMAO
            >And how much is that?
            It's a percentage cut, and is a big chunk if change if your shit makes it into the game
            cs2 players get MINIMUM $80k for their stickers alone you moron
            >Fricking underage moron.
            Did TF2 get new content last year and a 64 bit client this year yes or no??? you fricking moron
            >That's how it has always been before live services became a thing
            Communities have made content for game for decades you moronic zoom zoom

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >they're not incentivised because there's no rev share in other games with lootboxes you fricking moron
              Calling me a zoomer and yet defending lootboxes with this moronic argument. No need to larp this hard homosexual
              >can't have fun in a game unless he's getting exp and cheevos LMAO
              Underage zoomer defending lootboxes and item shops
              >It's a percentage cut, and is a big chunk if change if your shit makes it into the game
              HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Do actual research homosexual rather than parroting what your favorite israelitetuber said
              >Did TF2 get new content last year
              Frick no it didn't
              >64 bit client
              HOLY FRICKING SHIT!!! LOOK AT ALL THIS CONTENT!!!
              >Communities have made content for game for decades
              Yes for completed games you toddler. Fans played and finished COMPLETED games and decided to make it more fun. Devs think they can release 40% of a game and let their paypigs completed it for them and suckers like you fall for it

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Calling me a zoomer and yet defending lootboxes with this moronic argument.
                Not an argument
                >Underage zoomer defending lootboxes and item shops
                Not an argument
                >Do actual research homosexual rather than parroting what your favorite israelitetuber said
                Not an argument
                >Frick no it didn't
                Yes it did (

                >it just got a summer and winter update last year moron

                Yeah, sure
                >added 12 community maps that were available on the workshop for a long time, but now they're le official
                >added a bunch of fortnite taunt emotes for $5 each
                >added a new skin case with community made shit that they can make tons of cash off and give like 0.1% of the profit to the people who've actually spent their time on designing all that shit, Valve freeloading on their stupid ass community as always
                >added other new community made cosmetics to make $$$

                Wow, what a heckin' update! Gabe take my wallet :DDD

                ) you're objectively wrong
                >HOLY FRICKING SHIT!!! LOOK AT ALL THIS CONTENT!!!
                This required development work and testing. It's increasing the longevity and support for the game you giga moron.
                >Yes for completed games you toddler
                What about TF2 on release wasn't complete???????????????????????????????????????????????????

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >it just got a summer and winter update last year moron

          Yeah, sure
          >added 12 community maps that were available on the workshop for a long time, but now they're le official
          >added a bunch of fortnite taunt emotes for $5 each
          >added a new skin case with community made shit that they can make tons of cash off and give like 0.1% of the profit to the people who've actually spent their time on designing all that shit, Valve freeloading on their stupid ass community as always
          >added other new community made cosmetics to make $$$

          Wow, what a heckin' update! Gabe take my wallet :DDD

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Thanks for proving me right. I accept your concession.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >proving you right
              I've just told you that the updates are bullshit and all Valve does is accepting stuff from the community. If you don't care about skins, all of this shit was constantly available.

              There hasn't been an actual major update that was primarily Valve made and not by them freeloading off community shit for YEARS.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >This homie still mad when Valve told the TF2bers to stop being Black folk and ask for muh tf2reparations because someone shot them with the scorch shot

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I've just told you that the updates are bullshit
                How is free gameplay updates bullshit that share revenue with community members who make content for a game?
                >There hasn't been an actual major update that was primarily Valve made
                So? The official Valve maps are shit anyway. Modders always make better shit than the main devs.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Literally no argument for why the update doesn't count just bawling that it exists and schizo posting about LE CUMMUNITY SERBERS RUNNING DA WORKSHOP MAPSSSZZZZSSS that don't exist because of the user server contract holocaust.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Calling me a zoomer and yet defending lootboxes with this moronic argument.
              Not an argument
              >Underage zoomer defending lootboxes and item shops
              Not an argument
              >Do actual research homosexual rather than parroting what your favorite israelitetuber said
              Not an argument
              >Frick no it didn't
              Yes it did ([...]) you're objectively wrong
              >HOLY FRICKING SHIT!!! LOOK AT ALL THIS CONTENT!!!
              This required development work and testing. It's increasing the longevity and support for the game you giga moron.
              >Yes for completed games you toddler
              What about TF2 on release wasn't complete???????????????????????????????????????????????????

              Thanks for proving me right. I accept your concession.

              >This homie still mad when Valve told the TF2bers to stop being Black folk and ask for muh tf2reparations because someone shot them with the scorch shot

              >I've just told you that the updates are bullshit
              How is free gameplay updates bullshit that share revenue with community members who make content for a game?
              >There hasn't been an actual major update that was primarily Valve made
              So? The official Valve maps are shit anyway. Modders always make better shit than the main devs.

              Pcbros defending their corporate overlord and not seeing how they're getting owned, as always.

              Gabe really is a genius. You deserve this.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I'm not just a fricking homosexual bawling my eyes out that TF2 got more stuff than most games launch with three times last year
                >I ALSO SPERG OUT AT VALVE THE COMPANY! TAKE THAT!

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not a seething socialist, so I don't see a problem with a success. Cope.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Gabe really is a genius. You deserve this.
                We do deserve the best gaming experience available thank you.

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >normalizes fomo virtual cosmetics with arbitrary rarity with tf2
    >normalize season/battle passes with dota and cs
    >tries to sell paid mods
    >abandons core franchise development to sell overpriced cosmetics and promote gambling mechanics to teenagers
    >makes a barebones VR half life without gordon, retcons lore for an epic reddit crowbar moment
    >still seen as the ‘good guys’ for offering a 20% discount on AAA slop nobody wanted anyways down from 90% discounts pre-refund flash sale era, thanks australia.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >actually invented season passes with TF2
      >introduced millions of literal children to gambling through CS:GO
      >uses their fans for free labor by taking fanmade skins off the steam workshop and adding them to their cases and selling the rights for the designs like hyperbeast to gaming companies without asking, while the creator gets scraps like $0.0002 per sold key
      >is a monopoly (to homosexuals saying that it's an oligopoly, it isn't if they own like 80% of the market and other companies with large capital can't compete while trying really fricking hard like Epic for example)
      >completely killed reselling PC games
      >popularized the idea of single use activation codes and tying PC games to a single account which definitely wasn't common practice back in the day
      >has been constantly shitting on their loyal fans and hasn't made a proper single player PC game in 13 years
      >the only games that they're interested in are cashcows like CS or Dota and they've abandoned Portal, L4D and Half Life as they can't monetize them properly
      And everyone still calls them the good guys.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Even if they have a massive scandal like Blizzard did, the fans will still make excuses for them

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >team is all 11.3 at most except 1 mig-29
    >enemy team has 8 f-16s and 4 f-20s
    lovely matchmaking today

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It also ruined Valve.

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >valve lets you mod any skin you into their games
    >yet people still insist on grinding for random lootboxes instead
    i don't get it

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Volvo homosexuals will still defend them and this

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Look, economically, they're good, and the parts are cheap to fix. I'd rather have a Volvo from '95 that's sturdy and easy to fix than cough up my house and parent's for a new Camry that'll cost me my kidneys if the airbag ever opens

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    thanks to lootboxes and the market, i haven't had to pay for a real game in years.
    i got an OLED deck for free rofl

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >paying for games

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I never made that much because I haven't been playing anything with Valve lootboxes for years but I made something like €250 through dropped Dota 2 items, that was certainly nice.

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    why can you never state what your issue with it is?
    you're just grandstanding

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      why can you never state what your issue with it is?
      you're just grandstanding

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Let me spell it out for you then
      I don't want
      >item shops
      >battlepasses
      >microtransactions
      >paid cosmetics
      In my multiplayer games
      Makes sense?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You still haven't given an argument. You're just stating "this is bad" without supporting it.
        I'll ask you directly: If they don't give power, why the frick do you care?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >why the frick do you care?
          Because it ruins the experience. Back in the day, I'd play a game, gain levels and unlock new stuff, and have new toys to play with. I'd do difficult challenges and unlock exclusive stuff
          Now, there's no point in playing multiplayer games because everything is heavily monetized or reduced to chores through Battlepasses, where FOMO is the name of the game. If I want to unlock new stuff, I'd either have to grind a tedious Battlepass or cough up money in the item shop

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Because it ruins the experience.
            How?
            >Back in the day, I'd play a game, gain levels and unlock new stuff, and have new toys to play with. I'd do difficult challenges and unlock exclusive stuff
            All that still exists today
            >Now, there's no point in playing multiplayer games because everything is heavily monetized or reduced to chores through Battlepasses
            Then don't buy the battlepass?????????????????????????????????

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >How?
              I just explain idiot
              >All that still exists today
              Name a single game where progression is natural and not a grindfest
              >Then don't buy the battlepass?
              Are you stupid or something? You're ignoring the core issue of the issue which is the only form of progression is through a battlepass, which ruins the fun of a game, any game. I have never paid for a BP nor will I ever

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                #
                >I just explain idiot
                No, I countered every single point you attempted to make.
                >Name a single game where progression is natural and not a grindfest
                Define "natural" and "grindfest".
                >Are you stupid or something
                No.
                >You're ignoring the core issue of the issue which is the only form of progression is through a battlepass
                you're such a fricking zoomer moron you only get enjoyment from "progression" instead of actually playing the game for fun. YOU are the brain damaged one here.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >No, I countered every single point you attempted to make.
                You didn't.
                >Define "natural" and "grindfest".
                As in, I don't have to log in every single fricking day grinding the same 5 challenges to increase a single level a stupid BP and do the same shit every day
                >you only get enjoyment from "progression" instead of actually playing the game for fun.
                That's games are made you homosexual. You play a level and you progress to the next level. You use a weapon, and progress to the next one once you get bored of it. You use a gear and progress it to make it better.
                Doing the same shit over and over, every match is not fun. But what did I expect from a normalgay who defends shit like this

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >All that still exists today
              How do you unlock Akuma in SF6?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You play world tour and do quests?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                nope

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >dude i hate battlepasses
    then don't buy it
    >i caaaaan't!!!!!!

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i'm not having fun unless i'm p r o g r e s s i n g

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