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pretty much
How?
Forces different groups of people to play together which just makes everyone miserable
Community servers or bust
playing mordhau to me proved that people can't handle this shit anymore. The game more or less got assassinated by the media because they didnt put a global word filter in the game. Ifservers didn't kick for Black person saying, it was being said, period. This upset journos and redditors so much they put out hit piece after hit piece calling the devs racist
I had a binge period of Mordhau just a few weeks ago and didn't notice much Black person calling. What do you mean the hit piece actually did? Implement a filter, scare players away?
>scare players away?
This one. It was painted as this racist toxic trump supporter dominated game that everyone should stay away from, and it was basically dropped from all news cycles.
It's certainly not dead, I play it on and off too, but it certainly would be bigger today if it chose to not have open servers like that (which would have made the game worse because the open servers are excellent and it adds to the dynamic of the game when there's bad players and good players just on the same server)
Surely you can sue for damages in this instance
This is like assassinating a car manufacturer because some homosexual goes to dealerships, stands near their cars and exposes their butthole to all and sundry.
I thought the game died because it had annoying mouse unlocking bullshit ala Jedi Academy 20 years prior and it basically devolved into everyone trying to outsweat eachother while throwing their mice at the walls for optimal damage windows whilst spinning like a helicopter.
Mordhau had relatively little of that compared to other games in the genre. It's definitely the most grounded non sweaty bullshit game out there but still has a huge skill cap since the mechanics are great
Everyone who I know that I asked about it - and a few randoms in Chiv 2 - all said that basically the game became unfun as frick to play once it became 'solved' and the patches only fricked things up more and more, sort of like what happened to Chiv 1. Never heard anything about the Mordhau LE RACIST HOTSPOT bullshit beyond like one article that I saw being laughed at.
It would probably help if you played the game before you formed an opinion
Where did I say that was my opinion? Where did I state my opinion at all? I'm stating the opinions of *others* who were telling me why they stopped playing the game. It had to do with the mechanics of the game being exploited/optimized to the point of being unfun to contend with, nothing to do with people saying slurs.
It's funny, the only times I ever saw any homosexuals spamming All chat in Mordhau were in the generic "official" servers with cookie cutter name #41.
The player/community run servers? Fricking civil when an admin's around to boot an obnoxious gay on the spot.
It prioritizes the skill based matchmaking over your connection so you get stuck with dogshit ping and servers most of the time.
You can't style on noobs
You can't make kill montages as easy anymore because your opponents are (probably) competent.
homosexuals seethe about it because they get matched with people just as skilled as them or who play the game as often as they do and they hate actually having to try instead of just curb stomping clueless news or arthritic shitters.
What's the point of getting good if not to stomp on noobs?
I was going to say "because you enjoy playing the game," but then I remembered where I was.
Starting a streaming career and becoming a full time shill for a game you haven't had fun with and will continue not to have fun with
the point of getting good is to be better than the next guy. stomping n00bs is no measure of skill, stomping n00bs is basic competency
Nobody wants to sweat in EVERY battle
also if its ranked mm you CANT kick any hacker on the enemies site. so you either have take your L or disconnect what also gives you a L and a disconnect penalty
CoDBlack folk crying about SBMM is the same as FGCucks crying about muh netcode
It's literally all buzzword vomit
>bla bla bla frick me in the ass daddy
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-t Person Nobody Tolerated in their user servers
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moron
zoomer problem
i'm just over here playing donner 24/7 as always
Yeah, i hate when they put healer 120 lvl in my party when more useful to have ranger 33 lvl.
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kys youtube Black person
go shill your shit to reddit or whatever
god you're so fricking moronic he probably just googled "skill based matchmaking" to have an image to post this thread with, people have been doing this since the beginning of image boards
you fricking reddit tourists really need to get the frick out of this website and stop trying to hard to fit in
Why wouldn't you want to play against someone around your skill level
The system forces you to lose 50% of the time.
Nothing is forcing you to lose except your poor play.
How do you win a game when all of your teammates are moronic scrubs? Michael Jordan and LeBron never won anything for years until they had good teammates. But you don't even play the games to know what sbmm is so frick off moron
but only by losing do you get the opportunity to get better
As an RTS player, good. Every game should be stressful and sweaty to the point where you can't tell whether you're having fun or not.
They just want to dominate bad players to boost their ego.
Because it's a team game and the matchmaking never puts people around your skill level on your team, 50% of the time. 100% of the time if you're a good player.
if you play with team games you will always be gambling with teammates regardless of what matchmaking you use unless you play with friends sbmm is not the problem
Because playing against people around your skill level is "too sweaty" apparently.
These people legit do not understand what is wrong with this line of thinking, and are being massive hypocrites. I gave up long ago, I believe there is no way to make them understand, they are just incapable of understanding.
This. The people against SBMM are huge fricking hypocrites, who whine about their fun getting ruined by pros, but have no problem when they're the ones stomping noobs. There is literally no argument against SBMM besides "I want free wins."
Exactly. They do not think. Either refuse to think, or are incapable of thinking. All they remember is the good old days before SBMM that they could join a random server and dominate players, and that they can't do that anymore since SBMM. And naturally they blame SBMM. They won't, or can't stop to think why is that.
Because people don't play videogames to build their ego or win. Cue a moron who should kill themselves desperately trying to protect themselves from the ensuing existential crisis.
because it doesn't actually do that. more wins or losses in a team game does not dictate the individual's skill level and as such a streak of wins can put you with piss bottling no lifers and a streak of losses can put you in daycare
There's nothing wrong with SBMM if it's an actual competitive game, aka a 1v1 game (fighting games, strategy games, etc). Take your party games elsewhere.
It's gay and aids to change people after each round. You're already matched in skill and that's what set you up in that particular group.
Just let players hang around with each other for a while, or frick off to another lobby if you're so inclined.
>You're already matched in skill and that's what set you up in that particular group.
look out, they're going to send the assassins after you now
that's NOT knowledge you are allowed to put out there, it's too dangerous toward the pro-SBMM "argument"
Streamers are morons and you are a moron for listening to them.
ranked = sbmm
casual = sbmm
why don't they all just have this standard
*casual - no sbmm
Because there's no reason not to have SBMM, there's no benefit to letting pros shit on newbies.
Now EOMM needs to die THAT is bullshit.
This, EOMM is the real problem.
I know what SBMM is but what is EOMM, I've never heard of that before
EOMM is the 50% matchmaking this board actually hates.
hating on SBMM is purely an Ego issue
Wow, EOMM sounds like a really moronic system, thank god I don't play the type of games that include it.
>take all the skinnerbox techniques from diablo and twitter
>put it into matchmaking
engagement optimized matchmaking
Engagement Optimized Matchmaking, most people who complain about forced 50/50 or SBMM are actually complaining about games that use EOMM.
Wouldn't be a problem if we still had dedicated servers
Remember what they took from you
why not just get rid of matchmaking as a whole
>skill based matchmaking
>get repeatedly fed into a sweaty meat grinder of losing streaks
I think I'm finally done with it. I just fricking hate these so-called "team" games. They all just feel like shit to play. I can't keep up anymore. My reflexes are dulling. I have no desire to become proficient and some flavor of the month game that all my friends will drop as soon as the next one comes out. Good riddance.
Play fighting games.
I used to. I got pretty bored with them after MvC3. I do often have a better time in 1v1, FFA, or even some day 1 multi-player games where people haven't watched a million videos on how to be meta abusing c**ts. I might pick up SF6 when it comes out, but I don't expect to get hooked.
dont play competitive games if you cant handle competition you weak willed subhuman
Said the homosexual who needs publishers to force other people to tolerate him
>competitive
It's a video game nerd, chill out. Save your macho homosexualry for sports ball.
Right, by my side. I think these games are making me want to find different friends. Every single match is just not stop groaning and moaning about every little thing going wrong. Even when we win. I'd rather play a single player game than subject myself to that.
just play 1v1 games
Yeah, go on and play games without friends by your side, loser.
Just stop playing esports trash, it's that simple. But you won't because you morons can't stop slurping semen.
i don't play video games where a computer decides its algorithmically my turn to lose.
>sbmm
>mm focuses only on me and picks teams around that fact
This is why I hate sbmm, it won't leave ME alone
>play objective
>get matched with morons who never win because they dont play objective
>lose
>Game has "challenges" that encourage players to ignore the goal and play for their own personal missions
I get it that some kind of meta progression can be nice, but some of that shit horribly disrupts the game and guarantees that you are 100% fricked if you have a teammate chasing some goofy shit.
>zoomer morons still don't understand it's the "matchmaking" part that's the problem
>play against opponents close to my skill level
>win about half the time
oh my god how could this happen they are RUINING VIDEO GAMES
There are homies really in here acting like it's not a problem that everyone plays like bots and never speak outside of saying gg after a game.
I don't to deal with other people's bullshit and I'm glad they all agree. Play VRChat or some shit MMO if you want to socialize.
Basically the problem is solo queueing. All these multi-player team based games where it would certainly behoove you to have an actual team, yet they let randos get together to play in total silence. Worse yet is that sometimes it will match those rando teams against pre-mades. What can we do? Abolish solo queue? Abolish team games? Developers have tried, but you really can't force people to communicate.
solo only queues work in warzone
Then why had tf2 basically never had this problem up until they made matchmaking the primary mode, and by god it's still fighting this aids
>can't opt out of crossplay
>stuck fighting against aim assist spazzes tea bagging and bunny hopping all over the place
Thanks Rogue Company
SBMM isn't what ruined multiplayer games.
It's the shitty forced 50% winrate algorithm that they all use.
consoles are what ruined fps. league of legends ruined everything though, this is correct
Forced 50 doesn't exist. Game tries to match you with equally skilled players, meaning the matchmaking is doing its job if your winrate is close to 50. The very best players, like pro players, can get winrates higher than 50 because MM can't find any players better than them.
>Forced 50 doesn't exist
I guess you've never played cold war then lmfao
In 1v1 games this is true, but that's because 1v1 games can just use something like Elo rating. In team games the very best player in the world can easily have a forced 50% winrate, just put shitters and beginners on their team and put good players on the other team.
>In team games the very best player in the world can easily have a forced 50% winrate
And yet, that doesn't actually happen, suggesting that forced 50/50 isn't real.
This never happens outside of Ganker shitter conspiracies. In games like LoL and Dota 2 the pro players have roughly 55 to 60% winrate on average. The top level players who smurf in low elo can win over 95% of the time.
It's almost as if the people complaining on Ganker are just shitters who want to stomp 8 years old who just started playing.
pussy homies here wont play 1v1 games. truth is people cryin about skill based matchmaking are only slightly above the most clueless scrub who just bought the game. once they face someone past that they don't wanna play no more and b***h out.
The problem with forced 50 is that it feels like shit if you are a normal person. It's designed so you can climb if you really want to commit to the game, take it seriously and improve. As for the rest of us that just want to blow off steam with a video game between the time we get off work and jerk off ourselves to sleep, it is an awful system to be subjected to. I fricking hate esports and the shit it brought.
how is it awful? if you're trash you'll play against trash players. the system is perfect for garbage like you. fps games have been having organized matches by skill level since before you were born, this isn't a new development. now they're simply attempting to cut out of the third party. just because you're ignorant of it doesn't mean it didn't exist
So what should it be instead then? 70%? Then what about all the people who are now forced down to having a 30% or lower winrate, just frick them i guess?
It's beneficial for 70% of the population and detrimental to only 30%, so objectively that is a good decision.
And how long do you think those 30% are going to stick around? The game would be dead in a week.
Every game loses at least 30% of its playerbase over the course of the first couple weeks, so I don't see how that's a problem.
your shit dont even make sense bro you claim to better than others but will cry when someone of equal or slightly better skill stomps you?
And now a new 30% exists. Now you are in the shit group. Still gonna stick around?
I'm not bottom 30% in the games I enjoy, sorry.
If you are that good, how come you can't beat 50% win rate? All the top players does it easily, so why can't you?
Anon, in the example we're discussing, I have a 70% win rate.
Not any longer. the bottom 30% left due to your system being moronic. You where chosen to be the new 30%.
As I've already stated, I'm not bottom 30% in any of the games I play. Try to keep up, anon.
Ah I see. You complain about SBMM because you failed 2nd grade math and are just too stupid to understand basic numbers.
You struggle with simple probability and inequalities.
70 > 30, therefore it is more likely for any given player to land in the 70% than the 30%. This does not change, regardless of the size of the playerbase.
It's one of this site's many charms.
>30% or lower winrate, just frick them i guess?
Sometimes if you are just THAT BAD then even the forced 50 can't save you. But damn does it try. In LoL getting to the bottom of Iron intentionally is actually extremely difficult.
>THAT BAD
If the system is designed to make you lose 70% of the time, this has nothing to do with skill.
wtf that is literally how it should be. if you don't want to improve why should you be winning a majority of your games? man you gotta be special bro.
Reminder that any form of matchmaking is AIDS, and the reason it phased out server browsers is because it gives the community too much control over the game for the suits' taste.
Seriously you nostalgiaBlack folk need to frick off. I'm sorry you want to rape noobs all day and never try but gaming has evolved and you need to put some effort. Also games with server browsers everyone dodges them for matchmaking anyways so stfu about public servers. I swear you fricking Black folk don't actually even play games anymore you just want them to be how you remembered but they never will be so stfu.
This
People who think they want dedicated servers won't realize that matchmaking is better until they see community servers come back and notice how bad they were
>until they see community servers come back and notice how bad they were
k, then let user servers come back.
Oh wait you spend every waking moment shrieking about them because without being forced to nobody would tolerate playing with you, and you can't even fall on your gaming incel bullshit
Consoloids parroting this kind of nonsense without actually knowing what they are talking about is the best part of these threads
It gets even more moronic when even CONSOLE players know user servers are best, the most fun to be had in halo was Custom games with bungie.net groups
There is no reason casual should ever have SBMM. You can't even frick around and play off meta on casual without people sperging and accusing you of throwing even though it's unranked. I understand this behavior in ranked, but if the developers are going to include toys that you can't play with under any circumstances than why have them at all?
SBBM is a manufactured problem that hides the real issue of not having community-hosted servers.
People who are against SBMM probably are too young to remember the servers where you would get raped by the admins and then kicked you if you dared playing better than them. A kind of turbohomosexualry that i don't regret
a bunch of moronic rules too, i remember bf2 was especially heinous. you even disagree with some admins and they would instantly ban you
>Server has dumb rules or overbearing jannies
>quit
>find another one
It's really not that complicated
>inb4 "they were all like that"
Either lying or a truly insufferable c**t that deserves to be kicked out of every server he gets into.
If you see an butthole, you've seen an butthole
If everyone you see is an butthole?
i gotta admit i miss going into christian servers and spraying pictures of jesus getting fricked in the ass by satan on the wall then laugh while the server panics
Why didn't you pick a different server?
Because it's probably bullshit you made up after getting kicked from a server for camping like a gay or talking shit to an admin and you're still salty about it. Also you were probably 8 years old at the time because if you were actually around and had hair on your balls during the time of real servers you wouldn't be praising sbmm.
At least as far as player retention is concerned, the only time SBMM is basically mandatory as the default for a multiplayer title is when the gameplay is complex enough that even just reaching the skill FLOOR of basic competency is an affair that's going to take dozens upon dozens of hours. If the first 50-100 hours of gameplay is going to be spent in abject misery as you're relentlessly shat on by more experienced players, your game is easily going to bleed 90%+ of its potential playerbase.
yall selfish individuals and thats all there is to it. your enjoyment dont take precedent over the other players. you wanna stomp then you better be the best of the best. idk who is supporting this noob stompin behavior but it is sad as frick. quit gaming if you can't handle people challenging you. you play your single player games on easy mode too since you aint want no one rivaling you? pussy ass homies.
Yeah no you don't get to use ebonics involuntarily serverless.
Also, unironically a good point, maybe the fact that people recognize matchmaking is shit, and is basically a system designed to turn people into soulless shills is why you get such fricking SEETHE over something as simple to grasp as wanting to play a game for fun.
I'm good at games but don't want to be a sweaty tryhard nerd.
Yet i always get placed among the no fun allowed group because i don't suck.
How is that fricking fun?
Skill based matchmaking should apply ONLY IN RANKED.
this
if youre not bad you belong in neet sweat fests i guess
what is "tryhard" anyway, like you click your mouse super hard? this concept of being a "tryhard" has always baffled me. being good is a natural way of being, there is no try
It's what shitters call people better than themselves as a way of coping with being bad at the game.
>I am not bad, I am just not taking it seriously
it's when you win a game but still end up being angry
Nice excuses nerds.
Tryhards are the homosexuals that get mad at everything even when winning and will b***h about not playing "optimaly".
Like i said, no fun allowed.
>NOOOOOO YOU NEED TO PLAY LIKE BOTS
>YOU NEED TO PLAY THE GAME LIKE IT'S YOUR JOB
>YOU'RE JUST MAD BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT WINNING EVERY GAME
>NOOOO DON'T GO INTO THE USER SERVER NOOOO! I NEED YOU TO WATCH MY STREAM AND GIVE ME BITS FOR THE MOST BORING GAMEPLAY YOU'VE EVER SEEN
We're not talking about community servers vs matchmaking you clowns, we're talking about SBMM vs. no SBMM. Stop changing topics.
SBMM wouldn't have been an an issue if not for the cancer that is matchmaking.
We are talking about servers vs matchmaking because that's the only alternative that makes sense for a lot of games. Matchmaking is only good for some games and sbmm is only good for ranked games and games where noobs need to be quarantined until they can actually play the game right.
People who are for SBMM are cheaters who know matchmaking makes it much much easier to get away with cheating versus real servers where they will be banned.
smurfs are the problem, not the MM itself
This
I don't understand what goes through one of those shitters minds that compels them shit all over newbies for their pathetic channel, then when they see games actually start to take steps to stomp it out they get all pissy and wing about how hard it is being a part of a fraction of a fraction of the total player base but still consider themselves more important because they wasted their lives the most on the game.
Influencers have been and always will be a cancer that will drain any sort of fun from a game because they want a game that's "fair" or "balanced" not fun and enjoyable
Smurfing is a symptom, not a disease.
>STOP FRICKING TALKING YOUTUBE IS GOING TO DERANK MY ACCOUNT AND ACTIVISION WON'T PAY ME FOR THE UNDISCLOSED ADVERTISEMENT
You guys are so fricking moronic its hilarious. I dont even have sufficent words for how stupid most of you are.
How about
>I play FPS games
Seems to describe what you are saying pretty well.
SBMM cam be bad when you reach your natural skill cap.
you get stuck every game feels super sweaty you will start to perceive a 50% win rate.
you can see it works by dropping a shitter in high mmr bracket or a pro in low mmr bracket and watch how they both quickly attain there natural rank
So far so good.
Wonder how long it'll take before i'm surrounded by sweatlords
what game?
Warhaven.
Basically korean For honor.
There's a playtest going on now, you can join for free.
It's alright, pretty slow combat and can turn into a clusterfrick, but fun.
imagine being such a loser that you hate SBMM. Not only do you just want to stomp noobs, the whole issue is self-inflicted in the first place because you're too cowardly to play 1v1 games.
You're not gonna get the sponsorship and the game won't start being fun after you do 🙂
esports cancer goes hand-in-hand with team games. All the tryhards of today are playing asshomosexuals and fps games, afraid they're your problem now.
the things that made me laugh the most was codgays playing the latest mw2 beta, complaining about people using their ears to hear them running around like monkeys. Then they complain about campers, while also complaining about rushers that bunny hop and slide around to beat said campers. It's like if you don't run around like an animal staring at the map to chase red dots you are a tryhard
either dont solo queue or (preferably) avoid teamshit games entirely
>playing source game back in the day
>in the same server for hours, same people, some come and go
>eventually you start seeing the same people over days because youve favourited certain servers
>get to know people, learn which matchups are good, learn peoples playstyles.
>HAVING FUN
>boot up overwatch2
>random server
>play with 4 random people
>5 minute games
>even if you had a blast, youll likely never see those same people again
>rinse repeat
Class-based team games were a mistake
>wolf et
>battlefield
>killzone 2
The only problem is matchmaking
>dishonest retention-focused matchmaking