>Self defense...

>Self defense... is bad

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    lots of western writers really to seem think they have philosophy down pat lol

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      le eastern writers ain't much better

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Don't most jap games forgive villains with huge body counts like Vergil?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Japanese games are a thousand times worse
      >NOOOO IF YOU KILL HIM YOU'LL BE JUST LIKE HIM!
      >casually ignores all the animals, mooks and sentient monsters you slaughtered along the way

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Batman did it first

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >NOOOOOO YOU CANT JUST KILL LE ANIMALS!
        r/vegan called

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's an allegory ya dip

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Toby Fox is a israelite
      >West perpetually flooded with hostile brownoids
      >Moral of game is self defense bad
      >The israelite wants to instill a mentality to the goyim of laying down and trying to be friends

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Shut this comment down. Its downright antisemitic.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Look at the insane mental back-flips done to pretend Rittenhouse is guilty, certain powers really want you to roll over and die

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He did nothing wrong, but the people defending him just because they don't like the people who attacked him need to get a grip

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          There was nobody that he hit that did not 100% deserve it

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Probably, but a person should be judged for his own actions and the intentions that motivated them. Anything else is irrelevant

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah, in the moment all he knew about those dudes was that one was a deranged schizo running after him shouting shoot me homie, the other was trying to beat him to death with a skateboard, and the third feigned retreat to pull out a piece like a total homosexual

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              No, the gays forfeited their lives when they decided that attacking a young guy for no reason was a good idea. Rittenhouse is only alive because he came prepared incase these gays fricked around, and hence made them find out.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That doesn't really contradict what I said. Those pieces of shit got what they deserved, but being pieces of shit doesn't make Kyle innocent. Them attacking Kyle makes him innocent

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >but being pieces of shit doesn't make Kyle innocent
                Says you, if he murdered them in cold blood & I was on the jury I'd push to acquit purely on the basis the people he killed are anti white degenerates.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >he did nothing wrong
          >but
          Yeah, go frick yourself.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Shut the frick up shitlib

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Remember when he shot and killed 3 unarmed black men? I remember when that was the narrative pushed about rittenhouse

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I don't remember that, but I'm not calling you a liar either

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              On twitter people were saying that right when it happened before all the details came out. White kid at a blm protest kills two people gets reported & naturally everyone is crossing their fingers that they're black so it fits their white supremacy narrative. Its similar to a shooting happening & people immediately claiming the shooter is white before anything else is reported.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              On twitter people were saying that right when it happened before all the details came out. White kid at a blm protest kills two people gets reported & naturally everyone is crossing their fingers that they're black so it fits their white supremacy narrative. Its similar to a shooting happening & people immediately claiming the shooter is white before anything else is reported.

              There are still morons I'm sure that if you asked them did Kyle Rittenhouse kill black people and get away with it and they'd say yes.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >wont someone think of the morons trying to take his gun!!
          my heart weeps for them too anon

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          little homosexual should've stayed in Illinois. frickin FIBs.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        By undergay logic, he's guilty because his gun made him more powerful than his "vitims" (agressors)

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >unanswered
          Undergays lost

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, when other options are available

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not when it's at the risk of your own life.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        In which case other options aren't available

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >In which case other options aren't available
          There’s almost always options that put you at greater risk of getting killed that would neutralize a threat.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's not at the risk of your own life because you can save. This is spelled out for you by Sans in a neutral run.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >pacifist route being finished
      >ever
      Having Homestuck homosexuals as a new fanbase was a mistake.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The game never says that, which is why you get the neutral ending if you simply defend yourself
    You only get the bad ending if you start mass murdering everything you come across

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >mass murder is le bad

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's actually justified when everyone who is in the monster hole is trying to kill a child. But we should feel bad because... piano music

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          But everyone isn't trying to kill the child.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            you can literally die on a pacifist run

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          the whole point is that they are literally just saying hello.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            the fish the robot and the goat try to kill you

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              and note how the game gives you no shit for killing either of them in the long run?
              you're only given shit if you kill papyrus (the one monster that cannot kill you under any circumstance) or decide to start genosliding your way through the underground.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's an interesting decision on behalf of the developer, because as it happens, Papyrus was the only boss I didn't kill in my playthrough. Got the neutral ending and was thoroughly satisfied since my little guy made it out of the weird monster hole.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Well, I say hello by punching you in the face. Please tell me where I can meet you so that I can greet you properly

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              the difference is that UT monsters use magic to greet each other but magic is toxic to humans, which monsters at this point in time know next to nothing about.
              an equivalent scenario would be if an alien species was critically weak to the sound frequency produced by saying hello.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >toxic to humans
                This is false tho
                The entire thing is moronic because the monsters can see your soul AND your hp, it's basically just a shitty excuse for why it's okay for them to attack you but the opposite is haram

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >it's ok when monsters do it

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >You only get the bad ending if you start mass murdering everything you come across
      which is still self defense since literally everyone you come across goes hostile

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >moron didn't play the game
        Papyrus immediately spares you in Genocide, there is no fight. Killing him is not self-defense.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Chad Papyrus.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I played the game, twice. So not an argument. You can count with the fingers of one hand the amount of characters that don't attack you when facing you.
          Also papyrus has hostile intentions, he literally forces you to go through an electric laberynth. The fact that he's too incompetent to actually go through with that plan doesn't disregard his intention.
          I compare papyrus apologists to pitbull owners.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >he literally forces you to go through an electric laberynth
            This doesn't happen in Genocide, you walk through all of his puzzles. The electric maze doesn't even do any damage to you.

            He also tries to "arrest" you by violently attacking you so that Asgore can execute you instead. All for the "crime" of being a human

            That doesn't happen in Genocide, he's more worried for your well-being than capturing you, as is shown by his dialogue if you choose to abort a Genocide run by sparing him.
            >TO BE HONEST, I WAS A LITTLE AFRAID...
            >BUT YOU'RE ALREADY BECOMING A GREAT PERSON!
            >I'M SO PROUD I COULD CRY!!!
            >... WAIT, WASN'T I SUPPOSED TO CAPTURE YOU...?
            >WELL, FORGET IT!
            >I JUST WANT YOU TO BE THE BEST PERSON YOU CAN BE!

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Only tells you that he won't arrest you after the fact
              A bit too late, no dice.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Papyrus is sparing you
                >Gankerermin doesn't understand
                have you considered you're just a swarthy congoloid that just wants to ape out

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Okay then, before you can kill him he says this:
                >HUMAN! I THINK YOU ARE IN NEED OF GUIDANCE!
                >SOMEONE NEEDS TO KEEP YOU ON THE STRAIGHT AND NARROW!
                >WORRY NOT! I, PAPYRUS...
                >WILL GLADLY BE YOUR FRIEND AND TUTOR!
                And then he spares you. If you kill him you are not fricking acting in self-defense.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I have a right to defend my mental well being from his homemade monster propaganda camp

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You couldn't defend your mental well beings by stabbing Black folk or liberals though. You could only suck it up.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >This doesn't happen in Genocide
              yes, genocide is the only route where frisk isn't a homosexual

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          He still gives you a full fight in the neutral route so self-defense applies there

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            But he stops the fight if your HP gets too low or if his HP gets too low.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Young and frightened kid enters a strange monster land with the simple wish to go home but is meet with every creature within the area trying to attack him on sight
              >Skeleton man stalks kid who already claimed to the kid that he will send him to someone who will murder him, and is willing to fight that resisting kid who just wants to go home
              >Somehow him being "le weak funny quirky skelly man" somehow excuses Frisk from making harsh decision to have Papyrus finally leave him alone
              Papyrus already ambushed Frisk about 4-5 times before this and at that point was showing barely any signs of stopping. It is what it is.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Papyrus is the only monster that will not kill Frisk and explicitly ends the fight.
                Your argument would make more sens with Sans, who only doesn't kill a pacifist Frisk because of a promise made to Toriel.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You cannot kill Papyrus in the heat of battle. You can only kill him after the battle has ended and he's letting you go.
                Papyrus is an indefensible kill, anon.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Attacked by monster of unknown intentions
                >Barely best him in a fight
                >Monster proceeds to beg for its life and make excuses
                >Kill monster because you have no idea what its real intentions are and its been stalking you and attacked first
                Somehow that makes you the bad guy? moronic.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >because you have no idea what its real intentions are and its been stalking you and attacked first
                are you autistic? How could someone not realize Papyrus is harmless

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Tries to kill you
                >Harmless
                Ok moron.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                homosexual.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          He also tries to "arrest" you by violently attacking you so that Asgore can execute you instead. All for the "crime" of being a human

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Papyrus doesn't know that because he's a tard, you have no reason for a genocide run other than the fact you enjoy it? Why pretend otherwise

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >He doesn't know that
              Too bad, he's still a threat to the literal child. Self defense doesn't require Papyrus to know what he's doing

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Papyrus is moronic enough to attack a child, but (unlike every other monster) is smart and good enough to explicitly end the fight to avoid either of them dying.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Papyrus is sparing you
                what else could that possibly mean. What possible reason could you have to kill him at that point other than autismo sociopath nonsense. Besides, if you want to go full genocide you have to actively hunt down every last monster. How is that self-defense?

                Yes, he's somehow the only monster who can successfully hold back against a child. However, he unfortunately still intends to arrest you for a ridicoulous charge that results in a death sentence. Hence, due to his job and his use of force to arrest you unjustly, the human has full right to defend himself.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >However, he unfortunately still intends to arrest you for a ridicoulous charge that results in a death sentence.
                at that point he isn't even trying to arrest you, autist, just get you to stop killing things
                Besides, you ignored the second point about actively needing to hunt down every monster to be on Genocide route.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So beat up and spare Papyrus. Killing Papyrus is the only kill that can't be justified as self-defence.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                but you're not in any danger as you can always reset as the player, canonically.
                Unless of course you're a genocidetard in which Chara takes over, which by that point you would deserve by being a tard.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Delete two files
                No, Chara is not in control.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Papyrus surrenders with no sign of screwing you over in the future making this explicitly NOT a self-defense.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Papyrus is sparing you
                what else could that possibly mean. What possible reason could you have to kill him at that point other than autismo sociopath nonsense. Besides, if you want to go full genocide you have to actively hunt down every last monster. How is that self-defense?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >actively hunt down every last monster
                Or walk back and forth as the monsters throw themselves at you until they decide to retreat.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Realism limitation for the sake of preserving fun, genocide is already tedious without fully implementing a hide and seek minigame for finding fresh meat

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It also wouldn't actually stop autists from convincing themselves that you're somehow in the right.
                "People" think the weird route is actually the secret "good route" in deltarune even though you're actively hunting down fleeing enemies.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Something something, being nice to the fantasy creatures is getting lost in fantasy, I imagine?
                Because of course anything that responds well to niceness in spite of initially being hostile is actually a trap. These morons will always, always, ALWAYS come up with some retroactive justification for whatever action they decide to take because they think the point of video games is to give them lipservice.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Something something, being nice to the fantasy creatures is getting lost in fantasy, I imagine?
                Actually it's
                >Um actually I'm preparing for the SUPER EVIL (WAY MORE EVIL AND REAL THAN DARK WORLDS) and I'm not evil at all I'm making my friends "more powerful".

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's not about the playing cards in the dollhouse getting ripped to shreds
                It's about Kris' ability to be free

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It has in explicit and no uncertain terms made it very clear that Kris is not free during a weird route, and the entire thing made him profoundly uncomfortable.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Kris clearly wants to be free, but the weird route requires you to completely take away his freedom and blur the line of his personhood. He doesn't want it.

                isn't the entirety of solo kris vs. spamton that Spamton is realizing Kris has a real avenue to his strings being cut? It's why he calls you out for using Noelle against Berdly, you're onto something.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No, pretty clearly it's erasing Kris and "You" being more direct with interacting with the world.
                Kris pleads for Ralsei and Susie for help.
                YOU order Noelle to kill Spamton.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                there's larger themes in the world at play regarding 'free choice', the knight, Ralsei, and actions themselves.

                I think implying Kris is in any way actually in need of help from Susie and Ralsei in itself makes me question the sentiment, he was in a pinch and if they were nearby, that'd be convenient instead of emotional reliance

                Kris was already someone else and we see the choices he was making; Kris was a fricking weirdo and is clearly up to something and has been up to something for a while. I believe that if (You) made Kris uncomfortable, he wouldn't tolerate us.

                Kris obviously needs the player to do something, and we don't know what yet.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I believe that if (You) made Kris uncomfortable, he wouldn't tolerate us.
                (You) are inside of his fricking soul and he clearly isn't able to last without it. He can't do shit about us, and there are many times in the game when he expresses his displeasure at the course of action we've driven him into. It's only in the weird route where the line between (you) and Kris blurs to the point that other characters seem able to just barely perceive (you) rather than just Kris doing weird shit because of (you).

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                IIRC I think the choices that Kris doesn't seem to like the most are those regarding Ralsei.

                In my honest opinion, I don't think Kris likes Ralsei and I think Ralsei is trying to get a handle on Kris. Ralsei and Kris seem to be meeting without us, but any time you do anything Ralsei-related, Kris seems ambivalent and sometimes even upset that he and Ralsei are touching if you go ultra heckin cinnamon roll and hug ralsei every chance you get.

                I think the biggest twist Toby can pull on us is that Ralsei is a good guy all along; goat betrayal seems very obvious, but I'd still enjoy another dickass thief Ralsei/Asriel situation in the end

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >IIRC I think the choices that Kris doesn't seem to like the most are those regarding Ralsei.
                homie he calls ralsei for help specifically, AND the first time Kris explicitly refuses the choice presented to him by Ralsei is to keep Susie safe from "You".

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Kris obviously needs the player to do something, and we don't know what yet.
                He sucks at dodging and would lose to some shitter in random encounter.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I think implying Kris is in any way actually in need of help from Susie and Ralsei in itself makes me question the sentiment
                He's literally face to face with the secret boss, ALONE, being taunted about his lack of freedom with the thing controlling him seemingly becoming more "free" to kill those around him, and explicitly calls out to Susie and Ralsei for help.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Kris clearly wants to be free, but the weird route requires you to completely take away his freedom and blur the line of his personhood. He doesn't want it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It could genuinely be subverted in the end as the better ending compared to the normal route if the game wasn't written by toby

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Deltarune has enemies be on the actual overworld.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You could handle it better. Undertale Yellow made it work better by having a finite number of enemies that can spawn on a room-by-room basis, which doesn't go down if you spare them but does if they're killed, so you have to go through at least most of the area to exhaust the kill count. It doesn't really add to how long it takes to kill everyone but it does encourage the player not to grind in the same spot for an hour

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If all you did was kill the monsters you encounter, you would still get a neutral ending. You can only get the genocide ending by systematically killing every monster in each area until none are left before moving on to the next area. You need to seek them out with the intention of exterminating them to get the genocide ending. That's not the same as just defending yourself from the monsters you come across.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Why shouldn't you exterminate the child killing monsters? They are already guilty of commiting the sin 6 times and they will only kill more if they're left alive, as they have the audacity to whine about your actions after showing no mercy on their end.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The same reason why ethopia didn't get firebombed every time a black commits a murder.
            It's overkilled.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >The same reason why ethopia didn't get firebombed every time a black commits a murder
              Will every black man try to kill someone for no reason? Because that's what the monsters are doing against a child no less, and hence they deserve genocide.
              >It's overkilled
              It's just rewards.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Moving the goalpost. You said the genocide route was self-defense and I explained why that isn't true. Whether or not the genocide route is morally justified or not is irrelevant to whether or not it's self-defense.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You have to go out of your way to find every single encounter in an area. If you simply move through and take detours for exploring, this will never happen. They aren't attacking you at that point, you are actively looking for them.
        You fricking psycho.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This holy frick.
      I hate this """"""""discussion""""""" because the only people who engage in it are secondaries.
      And surprise the surprise the first post of the thread is a culture warrior /misc/tard.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >genocide
      >bad ending
      The game doesn't punish you for doing genocide the worst it does is it hardlocks you from the True pacifist ending
      And you have to listen to sans undertale seethe and call you an edgy homosexual but he's literally the only one that does that
      You can reset the game and redo it until you get bored
      It's a morally valid ending

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The game never says that, which is why you get the neutral ending if you simply defend yourself

      Yeah, the game explicitly calls you a pussy for not killing in the form of the shittiest forced "boss fight" and then you get anal gaped either way for not killing or sparing. The "neutral" ending is the shittiest one. It is the bad ending.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How the FRICK did this SEMEN DEMON get into the game?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Toby is a smelly greedy israelite and the artist who designed her had some extra shekels laying around.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        stop projecting subhunan gay we both know you coomed to her

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      she looks like she fricks human men

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Agreed.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Kickstarter money
      The real question is will she appear in Deltarune?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >5 hours ago
        Damn. Anyways probably not. It seems Toby is avoiding all backer monsters because of that one fatass.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because this is the artist that does Ava's Demon

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Money.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Toby decided that his game should be based.

      I’m not Based God, but I think that’s pretty based.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why are you gays suddenly making threads about this again? who is it this time? asshurt nodevs using toby fox to deflect from their self-hatred? discord subhumans spamming their fangame garbage? undertale autists scared of losing relevance (let go, your moment is already over)?

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    says who

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it's in the subtext of the game

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        show

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          at the end of the game asriel says
          >don't kill and don't be killed that's the best you can strive for
          that message falls apart when the game you played features 'people' like undyne, metatron, and asgore, who all try to kill a kid. it's a message that's poorly executed

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Does time pass wherever you live?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              not sure what that has to do with anything

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Asriel's dialogue happened at the end
                The monsters attempting to kill you happened before, are we connecting the dots?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                right but the message doesn't apply to real life, if someone is attempting to kill a kid you wouldn't be in the wrong for putting that person down before they do harm. the game wants to guilt trip you if you do that

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                at what point does the game say "TRY THIS OUT IRL!!!!"

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                it's the theme of the game, the moral message

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                show me

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                i did

                at the end of the game asriel says
                >don't kill and don't be killed that's the best you can strive for
                that message falls apart when the game you played features 'people' like undyne, metatron, and asgore, who all try to kill a kid. it's a message that's poorly executed

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                wrong.
                Show me or I'll have to accept your concession.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >nuh uh
                yeah huh

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I accept your Concession, I hope you will find a better argument the next time we meet.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I accept your concession
                worst 4 words for a moron to learn

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                See

                Please, keep replying, it only hurdles me higher

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                [...]
                Why did you stop.

                I'm not him

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you'd never have to hear anyone say it if you'd present a coherent argument.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Please, the only people who say that are people with no argument

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                See

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I accept your concession
                worst 4 words for a moron to learn

                Why did you stop.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you're boring

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Hm you replied how interesting.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                i was hoping you'd respond with something interesting, i'm still hoping you do but you're really boring

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm trans, I got nothing interesting to say

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This thread is full of morons but i'm going to agree with just so I can stoke the flames a bit longer

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >subtext of the game
        >the game forces you to fight Asgore without mercy regardless of what you want to do because sometimes, fighting is the only option
        Talk about completely missing the point.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Okay, but the game clearly wants you to spare him. He deserves to die.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Advocating for not killing is not the same as advocating for no self-defense.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              He still deserves to die. No amount of "sad" music over the fight will change it.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    VGH UNDERTALE THE GREATEST GAME OF ALL TIME

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      video game highschool?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        [VGH] Hi!

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Toriel is a horrible monster and deserves to be mercilessly tickle tortured for the rest of her life

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    this game gives me bike cuck vibes

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This thread is full of morons but i'm going to agree with just so I can stoke the flames a bit longer

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >>Self defense... is bad
    Biggest sign of a moron who didn't understand Undertale. The point is not "self defense le bad". Undertale is meant to be a subversion of standard JRPGs, wherein you start mindlessly killing enemies the second you start the game. This is in spite of the fact that those games ask you to believe the game world has existed for a long time before you got there. You are asked to kill preexisting characters that ostensibly have lives beyond their encounter with the player, but the illusion breaks pretty easily as soon as the battle ends and they're reduced to numbers on your screen. Your actions have no consequence. The game wants you to immerse yourself in its world while often not providing the depth required to do so.

    Undertale on the other hand actually does. Every character clearly has a well-established life which they've been living for a very long time by the time you show up, sometimes centuries. They have friends, jobs, etc. Other characters notice their absence when you kill them. Your actions have consequences.

    That's the point. The game is simply trying to discourage you from treating it like a standard JRPG, where millions of red-shirts die for no reason other than gameplay. The game doesn't even directly punish you unless you go out of your way to kill every single character in the entire game. You can kill someone's brother, and as long as you left at least one character alive, the worst the game will do is scold you while still letting you access the neutral ending.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Did you consider that it might be a shitpost?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I stopped reading when you said subversion

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The game wants you to immerse yourself in its world while often not providing the depth required to do so.
      That's a layer 8 issue though

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Your post was so moronic it made everyone stop arguing

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        see that's the thing about undertale, when people actually try to say why it's good, it becomes so obvious why it's shit. that's why those other anons didn't even attempt to argue

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Please leave the thread immediately

        see that's the thing about undertale, when people actually try to say why it's good, it becomes so obvious why it's shit. that's why those other anons didn't even attempt to argue

        How is he wrong

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          because I said so?? I owe you fricking nothing on here.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          nothing he said disproved how undertale has a shallow moral lesson

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            when did it ever claim to be profound?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Undertale does nothing to earn any of that

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Undertale does nothing to earn any of that
            tired of this contrarian cope. undertale having good characters is basically the one thing almost everyone can agree on, even IGN

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Good characters by what metric? They're all tumblrcore characters

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >tumblrcore
                I'm sorry you're such a jaded moron. Maybe try finding joy in your life?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I enjoy good things, but Undertale isn't good

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >in standard JRPGs your action has no consequences
          That's clearly false and shows that he hasn't played RPGs.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            you're delusional if you think the average weebshit RPG has consequences

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              But they do. you would know if you've played them.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Please leave the thread immediately

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hey

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      she wing on my ding till i gaster blast her

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      turn around for a second, thanks

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Israel has the right to defend itself

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >you don't have the right to defend yourself goy

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Killing someone you could punch is appropriate

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >punch a child murderer instead of killing them even when they're trying to kill a child
          i don't think so

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You may think that's the message, but the actual, true, real message of Undertale is
    >It's a videogame, it doesn't matter

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >this is an odd thing to say, but...
    >if you have some sort of special power...
    >isn't it your responsibility to do the right thing?
    This MINDBROKE Ganker.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >be... good
      wow so deep

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Literally this thread that you have opened right now failed to understand it.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yet it make Ganker throw a hissyfit

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He's ok with you killing billions except his brother.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He knows that nothing really matters because you'll just reset everything anyway, that's why he's so apathetic and only tries to stop you once you're about to destroy the entire world.
        >getting to the surface doesn't really appeal anymore, either.
        >cause even if we do...
        >we'll just end up right back here, without any memory of it, right?
        >all i know is... seeing what comes next...
        >i can't afford not to care anymore.
        That doesn't mean he's completely uncaring, just that he has a hard time giving a shit about most things.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        pretty sure he's touchy about Toriel, too. but on the whole he's pretty apathetic yes due to his awareness of the time thing

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That was so pretentious I did a second playthrough where I only killed Papyrus out of spite.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        WTF

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Self defense is illegal in most of the 1st world and does not count as a "valid" reason to murder someone. Only mutts and thirdies think its ok to murder someone because they cut you off on the road.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      God I love euro seethe

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >cannot defend self
      >die
      >person who kills you gets away with it
      Nice 1st world homosexual.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        you lose if you kill them

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You also lose your life if you don't.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >If you kill your enemies, they win
          That's a better tagline for Undertale

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That's not true in the game though

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >if you kill monster girls, they can't suck your dick and worship you as the human messiah later
            fixed

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Imagine if undertale was about this
              It'd be way fricking better

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Undertale and Deltarune are already pure hmofa material you tourist troon

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah sure, just watch as deltarune will disappoint you if you like hmofa. Toby will blue ball you because he's incapable of writing good shit

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Imagine if undertale was about this
              It'd be way fricking better

              Crimson Keep (you're a demon but it counts)

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >monster girls
              asriel amd ralsei are guys, and they clearly lust for human men the hardest

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          [...]

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If you kill your enemies they win, bro.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >get shanked by nignog
        >you hit him back
        >he tells the cops you hit first
        >you get the prison shower while he gets to keep killing
        >this is.... le good?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Until he fricks with the wrong nignog and gets an axe to the neck.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Play Black person games win Black person prizes

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >he tells the cops you said Black person
          >cop shoots you
          >jury sides with cop and Black person

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Thank goodness browns are replacing en masse anyway. Kek.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      [citation needed]

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I never understood what anons even want this game to be, other than a generic Dragon Quest clone.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the game never actually condemns you for defending yourself tho

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes it does

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Name one moment

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        and when was that?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes it does

      morons like this parrot the same message of undertale blaming you for defending yourself, but the only times where the player is called out are for killing papyrus, and the genocide route. One event is for actively killing someone you know is harmless, the other is the player actively going out of their way to cause as much suffering as possible for the sake of seeing the limits of what the game has to offer.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I don't know how these "UNDERTALE CALLED ME A BAD PERSON FOR DEFENDING MYSELF???? WTF???" threads still get replies, they're just bait made by shitposters and people that hate the game pretending to be moronic because idiots will actually argue with them in good faith. The game isn't subtle enough in its messaging to have this be a genuine misunderstanding

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >t. guy who plays a game that shamed you for defending yourself

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          This bait is the only way to get an Undertale thread going that is not a porn dump.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >hmofa tard
    >Calls others tourist
    Pottery

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nah him liking hmofa is the one and only based thing the whole thread

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Monster fricker board, monster fricker site

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >going to e-girlfuta-on-female NTR is... le bad

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the frick is this word salad

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        meant to say "gooning"

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >eleven (11) years of non-stop seething from clueless, chinless, sexless, dickless obese smarks
    ya just GOTTA love the tobester baby, ya just GOTTA!

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      toby is all of these things thougheverly

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >rape victim and wojak Black person from shartetty thinking his opinion is relevant
        BEGGIN' ya to get a clue

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >4cuck troon gets mad at the mere mentioning of thoughever
          GOTTA love the sharty man, you just GOTTA!

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >shartBlack person pathetically ripping off the Gankerster's catchphrase
            ya ain't gonna make it with the wolves here kid

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >ya ain't gonna make it with the w-ACK

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                uh i'm thinking that's you b***h

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Toby went to Japan just to get pussy and he's still a virgin

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Doesn't this guy not even make his own games? Lol

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the message was horribly executed

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        just because your dumb ass failed to understand it doesn't make it horribly executed José

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >it's 2deep4u
          lol sure, or maybe it's poorly executed

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            elaborate

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            it's not deep at all really, it's just a power fantasy where you get to be a time traveling people and resolve a dangerous situation without hurting anybody and then get praise heaped on you by fictional characters. it's only as "deep" as as Spider-Man beating up bad guys and sticking them to a streetlight for the cops to pick up.

            on the other hand, the fact that you misinterpreted it as saying that self defense is evil, despite the fact that it's quite simple -- that points to your possibly being moronic or autistic.

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    TOBIAS FUCHS
    WHERE IS CHAPTER 3
    I NEED THAT LIZARD NOW

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      he's gonna make her a dyke i hope you're fine with that

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Make a great game
    >Make millions of dollars
    >Somehow piss off Ganker for 8 years and counting
    What a beautiful success story.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >great game

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Right, my bad. What I meant to say was an AMAZING game. A real masterpiece.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          it's ok to have low standards

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I disagree. It's important to have high standards for anything you watch or play, like I do.

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    undertale has a shit story who could have guessed

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I like Undertale.
    I've never done a genocide run because every time I start one I feel bad :~~*

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >This was the first OMGSUPERDEEP game for ""people"" born after 2000
    And it shows

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why can't you use firearms in this game?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because it was made by a canadian I think

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I guess Toby doesn't know what living in America is about.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Frisk just pistolwhips with it
      They should make a game like Undertale but you have a gun

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you literally can

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you can but theres no bullets.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Is this bait?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >tfw will never be a cute cowboy

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I don't think Clover has ever used real bullets.

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Undertale placed #13 on a Japanese game poll.
    https://www.gematsu.com/2021/12/over-50000-japanese-users-vote-for-their-favorite-console-games-in-tv-asahi-poll-top-100-announced

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Homosexual intercourse with Goat monsters

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    homosexual game for trannies, might makes right, that’s why classic doom is the only correct philosophy

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >shitposters have no argument against Papyrus so they just exaggerate things to pointlessly try to make themselves less of buttholes
    Total Undyne death, thoughever.

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    When there's another way to stop the violence...did you not play the game OP?

  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder that the monsters are all trying to manipulate you so that you do their bidding and all use violence on a child, hence Genocide is the only good route.

  35. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it was actually being trans is bad. a common mistake for those without media literacy.

  36. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You made a mistake in your post. It should read:
    >Self defense is... le bad!

  37. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >ITS SELF DEFENSE!!
    >can literally canonically infinitely reload the game

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Most of the monsters don't know that.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i love these threads because of the bad faith argument that frisk is a normal human child and not a being with the ability to time travel even after death

      >Power dynamics means that Black folk can beat you senseless
      I love how undergays care so little about Frisk while defending subhuman monsters' every atrocity

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        skill issue, dodge the bullets next time idiot lmao

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >You should've been stronger
          Victim blaming again, I see. Besides, some attacks are unavoidable

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >some attacks are unavoidable
            kek
            also you are stronger, you're a time god moron

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            you're the lying Black person, considering Papyrus doesn't even try to harm you in a genocide run.
            In which case you're the ape chimping out against someone who just wants to help

  38. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i love these threads because of the bad faith argument that frisk is a normal human child and not a being with the ability to time travel even after death

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      frisk is a normal human child. you are the being controlling frisk with the ability to time travel even after death.

  39. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Ganker can't understand that those with power should typically behave responsibly and not as a maniac mass murderer

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this board is full of fat brown gooners who could be outsmarted by an insect

  40. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    how do you gays justify killing Toriel?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      7-1

  41. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Everybody missing the point of Monsters being different from Humans
    Most monsters in the game you encounter aren't attacking you. A snippit in the game explains that "magic" is just another way for a monster to show their emotions, so they were only excited to see a funny looking guy come along in the stagnant underground.
    Calling it self-defense is like saying pit bulls are justified in tearing apart a baby because the baby was on the floor in the next room with the door open.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Actually your example defeats your own arguement.

      If all you did was kill the monsters you encounter, you would still get a neutral ending. You can only get the genocide ending by systematically killing every monster in each area until none are left before moving on to the next area. You need to seek them out with the intention of exterminating them to get the genocide ending. That's not the same as just defending yourself from the monsters you come across.

      What people rarely talk about is the fact that you're told early on that you're locked in the underground with no way home, and quickly learn you need to defeat the king of this land and ostensibly his army to escape, and the previous children who tried all ended up dead. And you get significantly stronger each time you kill a monster, with the popular theory Toriel made you kill her on purpose because she knew you'd die without the LoV she gives you. In these circumstances, regardless of any self defense argument, it's rational to commit genocide. If not for the fact the game presents a choice with ridiculously skewed consequences just to make a point, it ought to be a clear choice between accepting death for a nation hostile to you, or killing as much of that nation as you need in order to survive. The funny thing is, you really don't kill any monsters unless they try and attack you, so "Genocide" is misleading.
      On the other hand, the previous children all died and the monsters try to convince you to sacrifice yourself at the end of the game. It was meant to be a moment of empathy before the choice, but it makes clear at least a significant portion of monsters are aware they're trying to kill you. It's their history and culture.

      People giving a shitpost comedy with five minutes worth of sad content that is hard carried by it's gameplay and fun characters bouncing off of one another any amount of faith in terms of it's message or themes was the biggest mistake in all of gaming. Fans that try talking about it's themes or it's message or it's meaning as if any of that shit was good or even mattered have ruined any positive opinion most people would have had for it. This game went from being universally considered a cult classic to being treated like the software version of a kid that walks around with a razor in their pocket that they pretend to drop in the hallway so people think they self-harm so they can get some cool kid brownie points or some shit. Just shut the frick up. Seriously, shut the frick up. You ask anyone that played Undertale and liked it what their favorite part of the game was and they'd say some shit like "hanging out with Undyne and seeing Papyrus go flying out the window was fricking hilarious" or "that part where Papyrus' puzzle was a straight line was so good" or "the Asriel pacifist fight was so hype". Ask someone what they liked about the game and they'd say someone small but nice like "really liked the running gags like the dog's neck growing longer or going on tour with shyren, was a cute attention to detail i really appreciated".

      Know what nobody's gonna fricking say to either of those questions? "Oh yeah, fricking loved the subversive tropes and the player is le bad imagery". That's because that shit was shallow fricking garbage that nobody gave a rats ass over. Frick that shit, lemme laugh at the funny skeleton and fight the temmie. I wonder what'll happen if I keep spamming this thing? Oh, that happened! That's kinda cute that the dev thought of this possibly happening! That's the actual mindset everyone had that organically played this slop. Nobody cried about plot holes or how shaky the plot was or the character's motivations or any of that shit.

      The game is fine outside of reasonable criticism and people on Ganker seem separate from this group of people, but there are a lot of those who see the game as a lesson of self-sacrifice and I find the game an interesting case study for that unhealthy way of thinking.

  42. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nearly a decade later this moronic thread is still being made

  43. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    In this universe it's pretty much established almost instantly that no monster can ever stand against a human. Most can just will a monster to be dead. You obliterating them when they're not a threat to you (narratively anyway) is overboard. You know you don't need to. You just want to kill.
    That's why the neutral option exists for you. Of course you're not going to get the pacifist fairy tale ending if you do not perform fairy tale like acts. What'd you expect?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They already killed 6 kids before Frisk, and can kill Frisk. The only thing that Frisk has over the others is having the player help him out, but he will still suffer every death

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        and he will suffer even more if you go Genocide thanks to Chara, so stop pretending you care about the kid

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Chara protects Frisk, and is guaranteed to keep him alive and well. I trust Chara more than any of the monsters

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Chara protects Frisk
            yeah except for the part where (You) and Chara obliterate Frisk's world to move on to the next

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              That's fine, Frisk is still alive and killed monster scum. Idk about the humans, but monsters definitly deserved to die

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Frisk is still alive
                Obliterating worlds tends not to leave survivors.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, but Chara conveniently joined souls with Frisk, hence protecting the kid.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Frisk after "suffering" 50 deaths: -_-

  44. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >all you have to do to avoid eternal damnation is not kill ONE monster
    >this is too much for Ganker

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not even not kill a monster
      Just remember to go back and unkill a monster with your time powers.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It’s just don’t kill absolutely everyone. Neutral ending is still a decent ending all things considered, and certainly for Frisk.

  45. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >self defence......should be applied aginest a child
    wow op way to be a homosexual

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >OP is a homosexual
      tale as old as time

  46. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >self defense
    >the player character is a godlike being that cannot die
    killing monsters in undertale is like stomping puppies for gnawing on your toes.

  47. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It is a little rich hearing Sans talk about how those with special powers have a responsibility to do the right thing when he waits until you slaughter everyone but him to get off his ass. I guess breaking a promise is a graver sin.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      that line is a double entendre. he's also talking about stopping whatever apocalyptic event strands him in Undertale in the first place

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      To be fair, 90% of his power comes from karma poison effect which wouldn't work on a kid who could still justify it as self defense.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >resets make him so nihilistic he doesn't even care to fight back when you murder his brother over and over again
      >only gets mad enough when you tackle the issue at its core by destroying the world
      wtf was sans' problem

  48. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Another reason that Genocide is the good option i that it's the only way to kill Alphys who deserves death more than any other monster

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >he only way to kill Alphys
      alphys kills herself in the mettaton ending

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Once again Ganker makes it very obvious they have never played this game, but they have very strong opinions to share about it

        That's proven wrong by the Near Genocide end, where Alphys is clearly still alive with both Undyne and Mettaton dead. The only way to kill Alphys for sure is the Genocide route

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          the evacuation that happens in genocide means she's not alone in the true lab, and the people ask her to step up and lead. in a normal run you kill both of her crushes and she kills herself

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They simply don't find her in the other runs, as they don't know about the true lab. She gets found in Near Genocide, and is only confirmed dead by getting a pacifist ending after achieving the Genocide ending.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Trust me, I looked
              Mettaton knows

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Also I'm pretty sure she kills herself in empress undyne ending too if you kill mettaton

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Once again Ganker makes it very obvious they have never played this game, but they have very strong opinions to share about it

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        To be fair there's lots of people that haven't played Undertale and have extremely strong opinions on the nature of the story.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          and to be even more fair than that: if your only impression of the game was given to you by the typical mouthbreathing Undertale fan, you'd probably come away with the impression that the game realy does call you a bad person for killing Mettaton or whatever.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It’s also dumb to assume that whatever Sans says is Toby’s soapbox and not just Sans’s character speaking. Toby is exploring ideas and inviting the player to think about the experience of playing an RPG/game.

  49. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Always thought it was funny when people say this when they locked the best bosses in genocide mode

  50. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Toby’s a pussy for giving you the out with Chara. Should have been a permanent game wipe, make you drop more money to play again. I and others would have defended it as ludo kino, but instead he was a coward

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      agree, but there's only so much you can do with gamemaker. PCgays were always gonna be able to regedit to undo anything like that

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      or just make the wait to get the game back longer than like 10 minutes, make it a week of total time

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      he tried to make the genocide ending delete your game but couldn't figure out how to do it or just gave up on the idea

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Soulless pacifist ending is cool though.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, but not as cool as what he should have done.

        he tried to make the genocide ending delete your game but couldn't figure out how to do it or just gave up on the idea

        Didn’t know that, TIL

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He wanted to but Valve said he couldn't have it on the store if the game behaved like this.

  51. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The game's tagline on every storefront in which it's ever been sold is "the friendly RPG where no-one has to die". Therefore, anyone who's blindsided by the game having a more distinct emotional response to them killing monsters than usual for an RPG is a moron who essentially didn't even read the back of the box before they took it to the register.
    But more importantly, that's not even close to the moral of the game. The game actively dismisses this as a real moral issue at more than one point. The point of the game is to not get obsessed with something to the point that you feel obligated to "finish" it even after you stop liking it.
    I say "finish" in quotation marks because Toby isn't moronic enough to argue that games shouldn't be beaten, just that there's a rash of players who play a game, like it, then continue to play it until they absolutely despise it because of some throwaway long-term play goals like one very grindy achievement, or a simple inability to let the game go.
    Flowey is a mirror to that same process. He couldn't leave the Underground, so he couldn't "put down the game" like a player could when they ran out of shit to do that they found enjoyable. He was forced down the unhealthy path. Thus, the game presents you with the same dichotomy the Underground presented Flowey, with the same ultimate path as Flowey: Play nice and you'll see only one plot. If you feel the need to see more, you're going to have to start snubbing people, being mean, hurting them, killing them.
    Genocide mostly represents the pursuit of "more content" long past the point of how any player is initially expected to enjoy the game. Though it does have some of the best actual gameplay in its two bosses, because Toby also understands that making a route like that TRULY pointless would be a baselessly dickish move, doubly so toward the people who genuinely just want to play like that.

  52. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    erm bad writing, bad gameplay, bad art = good game? LMAO

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >purposefully not mentioning the music

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I play games for gameplay, good story is secondary. Everything else is irrelevant. No I don't like the music btw but that is probably the only objectively "good" thing about the "game"

  53. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It must be hard having no charisma

  54. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think Kris is probably the Knight and it’s just schizo hiatus brain that makes people think otherwise

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      papyrus is obviously the knight.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I think the Knight is Kris's knife. All other darkeners are objects and even if Kris is creating the portals, which we know he's done at least once and may have done for the first two chapters, he's using the knife to do it, which then takes on a life of its own in the dark world after Kris leaves

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The Knight
        >The Knife
        this will be true, it makes complete sense too

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        goated theory actually. Kris's knife is already established to be important, so it'd be way better than making some random character secretly the knight. Kris's zombie moments could even be explained by the knife possessing him and forcing him to open dark fountains. The knife doesn't appear in the inventory. It's like Kris has a split personality and only one of the two knows about the secret pocket that they keep the knife in, unless the knife is just materializing out of nowhere whenever the red soul isn't in charge. I don't buy the idea that any human or monster can just stick a weapon in the ground and open a dark fountain, you need some sort of fricked up cursed knife for that kind of thing, and we know that Kris and Catti experimented with occultism, so yeah. Sometimes we control Kris and sometimes the Knight/knife controls him. Makes sense. No silly "player character struggling against the player" plot required.

        also kind of ironic that a kris is a type of knife, like imagine if the light world is actually another dark world that someone made using Kris who is actually a kris.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >spoiler
          But what if... it could get darker than dark?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >dark worlds within dark worlds within dark worlds and the outermost layer is an ARG or something

  55. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >game is actually just white man's burden where the lesser races are dangerously stupid and need the superior race to help them

  56. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Don't make me tap the sign

  57. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    IIRC, something like half of the monsters aren't trying to outright harm you: Its just that their average day-to-day shit is inherently deadly to humans.
    It'd be like running into a sad guy on the street who cried hydrochloric acid tears that also happened to be heat-seeking.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Mosquitoes aren't trying to kill you, they just spread potentially deadly disease when they sting you for.blood
      Nope, still killing them.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Monsters aren't trying to outright harm you
        >Mosquitoes aren't trying to kill you
        You stupid, anon? Or do you honestly think someone not trying to harm you is the same as someone trying to harm you?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          see [...]

          My point is that intent is irrelevant, morons. They are still causing you harm (way more than a mosquito, in fact), and only Papyrus of all monsters has learned to show any restraint at all.
          Plus, a lot of monsters are explicitly trying to kill you even on pacifist (i.e. guards, Undyne, Metatron)

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Plus, a lot of monsters are explicitly trying to kill you even on pacifist (i.e. guards, Undyne, Metatron)
            >something like half of the monsters aren't trying to outright harm you
            I didn't realize that "Half" suddenly started meaning "All".

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Ignoring half the post because it fricks up the dumb gotcha
              moron

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >They are still causing you harm (way more than a mosquito, in fact)
            A Mosquito is still showing up to perform a deliberately hostile act, a person with Hydrochloric tears isn't. You just happened into them and decided to stick around instead of getting the frick out of the way

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Block your path
              That's called unlawful restraint. Both options of fighting and running away are completely justified.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Anon, you are the one trespassing in their property.
                It's completely lawful restraint.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Frisk isn't inside anyone's house. It's public domain.
                Betting up morons for restraining you is completely justified, especially when they are still fighting back even in low HP.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >be illegal in another sovereign country
                >oh no why are the police trying to capture me
                all illegals in the US should shoot anyone who tries to stop them, thanks anon!

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Monsters are popo
                ?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Papyrus is a police deputy and undyne is literally the head of the rg, so are all the dogs

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Only a handful of monsters actively block your path. Moving around them (Fleeing) in most encounters with the non-hostile monsters doesn't immediately force you into another encounter if you decide to continue down the path

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Fleeing /= moving around.
                It's sprinting the frick away from the aggressor.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Anon, you do realize that this game has the veneer of an RPG, right?
                "Flee" is RPG parlance, the in-universe act is anything from dead-sprint to simply wandering away, much like "Spare" is anything from Do frick-all, to nodding or hugging.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And the fleeing command should be called walking around them, not fleeing.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Again, it's because it's trying to have the Veneer of an RPG. Flee as an action is present in a shitton of JRPGs, and that's the style Toby lifted from.
                It's the same reason EXP is called EXP, or why LV is called LV

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Flee as an action is present in a shitton of JRPGs
                And all of them involve running away from the aggressors.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, and if you hadn't realized: EXP isn't Experience Points in Undertale, and LV isn't Level, either.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Sans says nothing about the fleeing command though.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Because it turns out, avoiding conflict isn't a mortally questionable thing, anon.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No, it's just the flee command being blatantly tacked on to the game. It bugging against Sans in the Genocide path proves that it was simy not playtested beyond the Undyne gimmick

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Pretty sure you can't flee the Sans fight, the one video I saw was from someone who modded.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There's multiple videos documenting it, all unmodded

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Fun fact: This is completely true in regards to Sans's fight
                If you flee, He just outright leaves you alone. He doesn't even block your path after his initial fight trigger.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The genocide route can be completely cheesed by simply fleeing
                Holy shit, did Toby playtest the Flee command at all? Like, why even bother playing the game at all if you can even use the command on the one boss who you're supposed to fight?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The mosquito isn't trying to cause you harm either, it just needs a bit of blood for its reproduction cycle. The difference is that monsters are far more dangerous and will attack for no reason

              Anon, you are the one trespassing in their property.
              It's completely lawful restraint.

              >Trespassing
              No, you fell in the underground that was deliberately left open for you to fall into as a trap set by Asgore, and your one goal is to get out. You are in fact not trespassing, as you are rather avoiding getting "captured" (kidnapped and killed).

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        see

        the difference is that UT monsters use magic to greet each other but magic is toxic to humans, which monsters at this point in time know next to nothing about.
        an equivalent scenario would be if an alien species was critically weak to the sound frequency produced by saying hello.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          If the dumb Blacks are trying to heat up the room by setting you on fire. That still makes them culpable.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Anon is served a nice peanut cake
        >Anon is allergic to peanuts, but hasn't said anything
        >His first move it to Immediate kill the cook

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Anon is starting to swell up, cry in pain and generally suffering
          >Keep trying to force him to eat the peanut cakr
          >Blame anon when he strikes back at you

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >you meet an alien creature
            >it seems friendly
            >you give it a chocolate bar (for the sake of the hypothetical imagine that giving strangers chocolate bars is a normal friendly gesture in your culture)
            >the creature starts blinking orange and emitting cheerful sounding beeps
            >it stings you with one of its feelers, kinda hurts but not worse than when your pet cat at home pokes you with its claws accidentally, so you don't get the idea that the alien is trying to defend itself.
            >you continue feeding the alien chocolate
            >it abruptly barfs up all of its organs and dies

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Then you've killed the alien, and the alien simply defended itself when it stung you. Hence, if the alien actually did kill you in retaliation, it would've been completely justified.

  58. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Leftist cucks love to project their own spineless ways

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      brown

  59. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    People mentioned Papyrus sparing you in the genocide route but there's a few others that arguably aren't trying to kill you.
    >Dummy literally doesn't do anything
    >all of Whimsun's attacks can be dodged without moving and you can spare him immediately, he kinda just comes across as some weird insecure fairy that you bumped into.
    >Jerry doesn't attack at all, he just incidentally makes the enemy turn last longer
    >So Sorry isn't intentionally trying to attack you, he's just a bumbling idiot
    Come to think of it, some monsters don't seem to be aware that their very presence is harmful to humans. A lot of them don't seem to know how to recognize a human either, or don't know a lot about humans.
    >Vulkin thinks that her lava has healing properties, which might actually be true for other lava monsters but certainly isn't true for humans
    >Shyren is just singing to you

  60. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    YEAH YOU'RE RIGHT OP

    LET'S PLAY THE GAME LIKE EVERY SINGLE FRICKING RPG EVER MADE

    LET'S NEVER TRY SOMETHING NEW, SOMETHING THAT SETS THE GAME APART

    YOU FRICKING Black person DICK ABSORBING homosexual

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It would be more fun if it played like other RPGs, the game is dogshit to play in this state.

  61. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He will return even in the Weird Route

  62. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I somehow find Weird Route way more uncomfortable than Genocide Route.
    I guess because this was way more personal?
    It also makes me wonder about Deltarune's pacing. There's five more chapters left and we already traumatized one classmate and killed another.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      In Genocide you're killing everyone yourself, in Weird Route you're manipulating someone else (a previously kind innocent person) into killing everyone.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You basically mindraped someone. Most people are more bothered by that sort of thing than straight murder due to desensitization from the latter. See the new FotM Nine Souls which has (spoilers) the main character tear off a boss's prosthetic legs and force them to stand with a mind control collar; everyone's acting like this is the most depraved thing to come from this year despite games where the protagonist gets a body count into the thousands coming out regularly.

      You're used to killing things in games, you don't even think about it in a lot of them I'd bet, but you're not used to emotionally manipulating characters into doing harmful things

  63. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the Soulless pacifist fan vs. the SOVLFVL Genocide Enjoyer

  64. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Forgiveness, compassion, and love are good.

  65. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How likely do you guys think the "Penumbra Phantasm" song will be made the final boss music of either good or weird route?
    After someone posted this I do think it feels pretty Deltarune-y.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      ?si=Jx22dcJC0cGspaCY
      perchance

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      My favorite theory is PP is the final boss theme in chapter 7, and Gaster is the final boss of the weird route. You fight him in Chapter 6 and there is no chapter 7

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Gaster is the final boss of the weird route
        Interesting but are you aware you can't get the second egg in the weird route? Or is that informing your theory? Like he doesn't like you anymore because he's seen what you've done?
        My issue is everyone weird you go out of your way to help in Deltarune is a mindbroken psycho who tries to kill you (Jevil, Spamton), so I'm not sure why Gaster would be different. He's surely been corrupted by overhwhelming dark more than any other being.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          My other crackpot theory is there WILL be save file shenanigans (like why does each file have different things on asriel's side of the room), so in order to get a "weird route" chapter 6, you need to go back and bring something through space and time into chapter 1 to do a chapter 1 weird route

  66. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Replace ghouls with monsters, and you get the Undertale version of this image

  67. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How does Asriel fit into Deltarune's narrative?
    It must be good odds that he is, or harbinges, the Angel's Heaven, right? He's the character most associated with the Angel Church.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Deltarune is very focused on its religious themes. Ralsei is a 'goat' from a 'dark world'. In other words, he sort of symbolizes lucifer. Asriel is the light world parallel to Ralsei, so it makes sense that he would be associated with "heaven" in some capacity.

  68. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    its not self defense if a blind and deaf dog bites you cause you walked into its path. you are a literal god compared to the characters you meet simply because you have the ability to never die in game. sure you may physically die but that timeline ceases to be once you load a game. the most you are affected by being hurt in game is a minor setback. if you can come to a solution to a dangerous situation where nobody gets hurt its your moral duty to use that solution.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >If you own a nuke, that means you should stand there and get gunned down by a Black person
      No

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        bad analogy

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          He's right, why should having power mean that you are not allowed to defend yourself?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            because if you're bulletproof a gun isn't lethal force ie non legal self defense is justified but lethal self defense isn't

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        moron. that would mean you get hurt. self defense is allowed to exist.

  69. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Do you think Berdly is really dead in Weird Route?
    It makes me think about the pacing of the game given there are 5 chapters left.
    By the end of chapter 3, after a vandalism crime was discovered at Toriel's house, there will be a dead child on top of that?
    Maybe he'll be alive but braindead and take the mascot's hospital bed and the town will just think he got very sick?
    Susie mentions the festival at the end of chapter 2, I wonder if it gets canceled on Weird Route.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      dead or fallen down 100% he won't have a place in a future chapter if you weird route

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >get to Chapter 6 or so
        >pick Weird Route every time, Hometown gets progressively more disheveled as bad accidents and tragic coincidences pile up and everyone gets convinced something cursed is going on
        >player is closing in on their next victim, maybe you're bold enough to try and manipulate Susie
        >suddenly Berdly shows up in full Mr. Freeze power armor
        >cheesy line about gamers respawning
        >try to fight him off but he's completely invincible, best you can do is thwart his attacks and eventually disarm him
        >says he's going back to the real world to deal with you there
        >Berdly opens his eyes in a hospital bed, 100% paralyzed and unable to even speak
        >Kris makes sure to visit him at the end of the chapter and wish him well

  70. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The point isn't that
    >Self defense is... le bad
    Self defense is fair enough. The point is that
    >Life, mercy and forgiveness is... le good

  71. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Asriel comes home
    >Sits you on his lap as he sits on Chairiel and opens his book of hymns to get a little practice before singing at church
    >"Y'know Kris, this was always our favorite song, wasn't it? ...Or, the one that didn't put you to sleep haha."
    "This song... Angel's Heaven."

  72. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Keep hearing about how undertale is some mindfricking masterpiece
    >That it addresses you as the player in creepily in a way no other video game does
    >play the game
    >Flower tells me to stay still while he shoots projectiles at me
    >Dodge them
    >"Ah.. I see you've played this game before"
    >It's my first time playing
    >uninstall
    What a shit game

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It felt new at the time, not as oversaturated and annoying as it does now. It's like being mad at Ben Drowned for being about a haunted video game from a yardsale.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This was at the time the games attempts to read me just didn't work
        >You don't just this flower?
        >You must have already known he was secretly evil! Nobody could have seen that coming!
        Into the trash it goes

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          the joke is you know the trope from playing rpgs not that you know the entire plot

  73. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I hope Asriel is cute.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I hope Asriel has a ton of tattoos resembling his final boss form in Undertale and Toriel LOSES HER SHIT upon seeing what he's done

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Since he's a goat I think it would be more like he dyed his fur, which is at least reversible.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I hope Asriel has a ton of tattoos resembling his final boss form in Undertale and Toriel LOSES HER SHIT upon seeing what he's done

      I hope he's a fat frick when he gets back.
      not for fetish shit but it goes in hand with other shit
      >starts looking kind of like his father, which would partially trigger Toriel (maybe even setting something off during some emotional outburst)
      >completely shatters nearly a decade of fanart of him as a twink. Hence probably a new line of art needed to be made
      >coming back from college with the 'freshman fifteen'
      >makes him look like a dork that WOULD envision himself as a thin mega goat overlord in fanfiction
      >Would make him look like the kind of guy who does hides dragon girl porn throughout a home
      >get funny reactions out of characters who sees him with well meaning but offhand-deprecating humor, sometimes even mistaking him for Asgore
      Feels like there would be some fun (albeit maybe predictable) if he comes back and isn't this super handsome guy that think he's going to be

  74. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That's actually not the theme of the game because if you kill anyone who attacks you in self defense, you will still get a normal ending.

  75. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    My issue with the weird route is what can feasibly be an interesting or relevant conclusion to the route that diverges from how the good route will resolve the prophecy?
    >Kris causes The Roaring
    Doesn't really make sense considering the whole time Kris is "making Noelle stronger".

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The snowgrave route is clearly the player manipulating Noelle rather than Kris having anything to do with it. At the end of the Spamton fight Kris calls for Susie and Ralsei but "you" call for Noelle.
      I think it's going to end up meta. Deltarune only has one ending, unless you go out of your way to break the game so hard that the ending changes. After you go past the point of no return in Snowgrave the game has a real uncanny feeling to it, like you did something it wasn't coded to do (obviously it was, just talking feel) and it was scrambling to piece something resembling a route together so the game doesn't just softlock. I think that feeling will get stronger and stronger if you keep doing the Weird Routes, until the core plot is completely unsalveageable and the prophecy breaks outright

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Snowgrave/Weird route might even end up being a normal scene where Kris rips their soul out (at the hospital maybe?) and (You) call for Noelle at that moment, and she arrives, and absorbs the red soul before kris can come back to retrieve it, and then we've broken free of Kris

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Pure fanfic shit on my part but I'm imagining a boss right at or near the end of the game where Kris, for whatever reason, breaks free of the player's SOUL and starts a boss fight. It ends up being Susie, Ralsei and the Vessel you created at the start of the game trying to subdue Kris, who isn't evil but just wants control over his life again, and some balance is found after the fight.
          But if you go all the way through Snowgrave, Kris is just trying to stop (You) from ruining the world further than you already have, and Susie and Ralsei take his side. The only thing stopping it from being a 1v3 is Noelle coming to your side, maybe someone else if you mindbreak someone as hard as her, and this becomes the final boss fight of the route.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            it would be kino if each chapter had a different weird route character, and you call for help from one of them and they become your partner/vessel. Afterall, a monster with a human soul is incredibly powerful...

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >this... will make me stronger?
              >all I have to do is... give you my body...
              >and we'll be strong enough?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Strong enough...
                >To Save Your Dad >To Save Your Sister
                which do you choose anon

  76. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Chara threw this life away
    What the FRICK was her problem?!

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Turning into furry goat GOD sounds appealing as frick. Blame Asriel for dying for nothing.

  77. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is Kris being controlled by Kris when they rip their heart out? Like, were the heart?

  78. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Not a fan of the
    >You're taking control from Kris' life no matter what
    plot because it feels like just playing the game is cruel and makes me ask, why am I here?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Kris keeps you around despite being capable of removing your control whenever he pleases.
      It's a mutual relationship.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I remember a comic made shortly after Ch2's release where Catti and Kris tried to summon a demon to help him fix his life, which in a normal route you could argue is happening as Kris has already made new friends
      Said comic mentioned that the demon could end up making everything worse, though, which is what the Weird Route seems to be so far.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm confused. This is a canon document?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No, fan comic with a fan interpretation

  79. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >spare Papyrus because he can't kill me
    >kill everything else for daring to attack me
    My morals? Correct.
    Alternatively
    >kill Papyrus (no hard feelings)
    >genocide everyone
    >punk Sans for being a b***h
    Not my problem, shouldn't have challenges me bone boy.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >challenges
      FRICK, I better go kill Sans to vent this stress.

  80. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Where is Dess? Did I miss this person in chapter 2 post game

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://deltarune.com/december/

  81. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    People giving a shitpost comedy with five minutes worth of sad content that is hard carried by it's gameplay and fun characters bouncing off of one another any amount of faith in terms of it's message or themes was the biggest mistake in all of gaming. Fans that try talking about it's themes or it's message or it's meaning as if any of that shit was good or even mattered have ruined any positive opinion most people would have had for it. This game went from being universally considered a cult classic to being treated like the software version of a kid that walks around with a razor in their pocket that they pretend to drop in the hallway so people think they self-harm so they can get some cool kid brownie points or some shit. Just shut the frick up. Seriously, shut the frick up. You ask anyone that played Undertale and liked it what their favorite part of the game was and they'd say some shit like "hanging out with Undyne and seeing Papyrus go flying out the window was fricking hilarious" or "that part where Papyrus' puzzle was a straight line was so good" or "the Asriel pacifist fight was so hype". Ask someone what they liked about the game and they'd say someone small but nice like "really liked the running gags like the dog's neck growing longer or going on tour with shyren, was a cute attention to detail i really appreciated".

    Know what nobody's gonna fricking say to either of those questions? "Oh yeah, fricking loved the subversive tropes and the player is le bad imagery". That's because that shit was shallow fricking garbage that nobody gave a rats ass over. Frick that shit, lemme laugh at the funny skeleton and fight the temmie. I wonder what'll happen if I keep spamming this thing? Oh, that happened! That's kinda cute that the dev thought of this possibly happening! That's the actual mindset everyone had that organically played this slop. Nobody cried about plot holes or how shaky the plot was or the character's motivations or any of that shit.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Know what nobody's gonna fricking say to either of those questions? "Oh yeah, fricking loved the subversive tropes and the player is le bad imagery".
      Like it or not Undertale's meta-subversions of RPG tropes is one of the main reasons it was so popular

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah but only the "what if you.... befriended the monsters" one. Every other trope it tried to parody was either tolerated because of that one or were a detriment to the rest of the experience. If it was just the player befriending monsters from start to finish and it ended with a "you are forced to fight an allegory of satan except it turns out neither of you really want to fight and it just fizzles out" trope parody instead of bothering to give a single frick at the "le dark edgy undertones" or "what if xp grinding.... WAS EVIL???" ideas it would've still been insanely successful without the autistic fandom and toxic moron baggage it got shacked to.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >it would've still been insanely successful without the autistic fandom and toxic moron baggage it got shacked to.
          The characters are tumblrcore by design, the fandom was always going to be autistic

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I have years of experience being autistic on tumblr, I know deep down in my soul if the game was just focused on the befriending aspect and had none of the dark baggage the fandom would've just been a hundred comfort AUs and maybe a fistful of "what if you DIDN'T befriend this character" or "what if you befriended this one instead" AU. Would've been way less autistic and edgy.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Maybe but I don't mind the direction the story went regardless. It's very edgy yes but in a way that almost feels tongue-in-cheek at times, like toby knew he was writing cringe but didnt give a frick

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >This game went from being universally considered a cult classic to being treated like the software version of a kid that walks around with a razor in their pocket that they pretend to drop in the hallway so people think they self-harm so they can get some cool kid brownie points or some shit.
      Uh, no, this is just how you feel about it. People broadly love Undertale and its music still gets used in memes sometimes. The game got into Smash Bros and the whole internet celebrated over it. Most people are unaware of weird fandom stuff beyond the vaguest notion or if they are, they don't care because they know that shit's everywhere on the internet.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I think it says a lot that aside from
        >Terrible AU homosexualry borderline mobile app store tier knockoffs
        Much of the fan autism doesn't even crack the public awareness of Undertale/Deltarune, and not for any lack of trying mind you, Tumblrites (that still exist) literally organize to spam shit like Noelle Susie lesbian shit and Kris Nonbinary bullshit, but it almost completely passes people by.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There's a fat chunk of people who like the meta aspect the most. It's valid to like either.

  82. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I LOVE UNDERTALE DELTARUUUUUUNE!!

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      maybe don't say that so loud, pim.

  83. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Are these games considered furry games?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yeah kinda, but normalgays like it so it gets a pass compared to others

  84. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They're just defenseless furry gays you monster. Just jerk off to them like everyone else, no need for violence.

  85. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I understand a lot of people like this game (especially of a certain generation who never played the games that it apes/refereneces) but its popularity both in general and on Ganker is massively overstated.
    For every person who liked it there was ten more who made fun of it for its low quality graphics, tumblr/furry characters and bad/juvenile writing. The reaction to undertale getting 10/10 reviews on Ganker wasn't much different than the reaction gone home got for doing the same

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      People were laughing at the gamegays homosexuals for freaking out when OOT lost their rigged Greatest gaeym ever poll.
      Who are you trying to fool?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They were laughing because the amateur tumblr game with shit graphics beat the good game in a poll

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous
  86. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I hate Toby Fox because he made me bisexual.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Same
      Ralsei is a demon who has successfully tainted me, I will not be going to heaven

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >bisexual for furries
      so... something that will never come up irl.

  87. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    what is always found under a tail?

    thats right, an butthole

  88. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There’s something about this game’s message that feels unrealistic and childish. I don’t think it’s bad to make a story about being nice and empathetic, but this game isn’t really helpful philosophically and would just lead to being a doormat that gets fricked over. You need a strong ego. You need to be selfish. But you can still be empathetic.

    Of course this was just a funny little game made by one guy. And it’s not like it’s meant to be anything so serious.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >just lead to being a doormat that gets fricked over. You need a strong ego. You need to be selfish. But you can still be empathetic.
      I get that it's a bit saccharine and childish about helping everyone and being friends, but I have no clue how in the absolute frick you managed to miss the whole fricking central theme of being determined and getting what you want and say that it would be better if it had a theme of being determined and getting what you want. Even the happy everyone lives ending starts with you telling a b***h to get out of your way. It is actually impressive how illiterate you are.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That determination stuff feels similarly childish because it’s in service of a childish idea. It didn’t feel worth mentioning. It’s not necessarily a bad thing. The game doesn’t have to follow some deeper philosophy. It really only says “be nice to people.” The determination of the protagonist isn’t some kind of Egoist theming. It’s more cartoonish and simple like a kid’s show. This is a comedy game with a simple feel good message that I doubt anyone is going to center their philosophy around anyways.

  89. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    More like
    >killing when fate itself tells you everyone in this adventure has a peaceful "self-defense" alternative that's arguably easier than killing them... is bad

    Game even says in the end that this shit doesn't always work IRL, to not know the difference is no better than the Jack Thompson mindset of "everyone who plays GTA and CoD will think mass shootings are great".

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Counterpoint: ludonarrative dissonance but actually. The gameplay presents conflict or care but the mechanical reality that most people die at least once playing the game undermines the narrative's tone. If memorization across multiple universes -literally divine intervention- is the means by which someone clears the game, how can we say it's a story where killing has no place? What percentage chance of dying would you accept as reasonable?

  90. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Never played it and i don't understand the appeal

  91. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I was the second poopy joe, the first was a jeet that spent 2k on furry porn.

    I was the /misc/ one. Really, I was talking to an e-girl that ended up ghosting me to play undertale and just went on a crusade against the game for keks using the barneyf*g custom RSS feed + mobile subnet technique. It was fun and helped me get over her.

    I still hate this game, and israelites though.

  92. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >go into someone's house
    >they attack you
    >you kill them
    >le self defense

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's how self defense works
      Congratulations

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        maybe if you're a eurocuck

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >fall into hell and there's gay monsters there
      >the first one you meet tries to kidnap you and force you to stay in her shithole house

      they all deserved to die

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