Nobody will play it when it comes out because the hype has died down, they took too long to develop it and it's doubtful whether they will even release it.
Shadow of the Erdtree
Nobody will play it when it comes out because the hype has died down, they took too long to develop it and it's doubtful whether they will even release it.
What are you basing any of that on?
It's an expansion, practically a sequel.
>practically a sequel
Unironically Shadow of the Erdtree will add the same amount of content as Zelda Tears of The Kingdom but based Fromsoft will call it an expansion instead of a sequel meanwhile ninten-drones are coping.
I think From painted themselves into a corner with how they structured Elden Ring's story and endings.
A prequel won't work, since you can't go around killing the Demigods that need to survive unto the time of the main story.
A sequel won't work, because that would negate 90% of the endings, unless they want to make a game tailored around what ending you got, which would be a massive headache.
A giant $60 expansion unironically makes the most sense.
>I think From painted themselves into a corner with how they structured Elden Ring's story and endings.
You retarded, son?
Every single DS2 DLC is a self-contained side story about killing some fuckhead
The point is that there's not enough in the lore to make a second game out of it.
DaS2 had the fragments of Manus to work with, but Elden Ring is a much more straightforward story.
Unless you want to go around killing the loser demigods who weren't even worth dignifying with a name the first time around.
The Shattering would be an interesting setting, but we already know how it ends, who survives, etc.
You can't even pull a "Hero of Oolacile" bait and switch like they did with Artorias in DaS.
How many times was Sinh named in the main game of DS2?
I dunno about DS2 but...
Miquella and the gloam eyed queen are huge characters that the DLC can be based on, the mystery of whatever force is taking over Godwyin's body too, the twinbird and the deathbirds who ruled over the death rites of the lands between before the erdtree are also related to all that. And a time travel DLC like in DS1 could still work in many different ways.
What if we fight Radahn in a friendly duel without having to kill him but this time having to solo him while he is sane? What about the rot god that was sealed long ago by Malenia's master? We could pay a part into that... And even without these things, just seeing how the lands between looked before the war, or seeing a setpiece of grand battle, that would be fucking cool, Farum Azula used to be connected to Caelid and was a huge city that wasn't floating around in the sky, that would also be neat to see.
There might not bee anough stuff to make a new game out of ER, but certainly therte's enough stuff to make an expansion and tie a few knots and have some nice fanservice.
Miquella yes, but forget about GEQ, she's Velka 2.0
Been thinking this.
Crazy how significant Velka is for a character that is barely referenced across three separate titles.
100% this
I also predict that they will add several new characters that have no or little relation to the current cast and leave you with more questions that answers
Yeah, I'm agreeing with you.
There's a lot to work with in terms of fleshing out the world that already exists, but a direct sequel would require a lot of narrative asspulls to work.
They struck gold with ER, no pun intended, and they can't just sit on the IP, but I honestly don't know where you'd take it as a franchise considering how tight and final the story is.
> Unless you want to go around killing the loser demigods who weren't even worth dignifying with a name the first time around.
This, I really really want this. Doubt it will happen though.
All of the Souls games invalidate endings from the previous games, they don't care
Dark Souls has a built-in excuse for that: alternating Ages of Fire/ Ages of Dark, with the inevitable entropy of that process leading to the events of DaS3.
Elden Ring could probably do something like that by setting things on different worlds or in different ages with different configurations of an Elden Ring.
The ER lore is the least satisfying of any modern From game, to be honest. I hope Shadow of The Erdtree makes it more interesting.
>The ER lore is the least satisfying of any modern From game, to be honest. I hope Shadow of Th
It pains me to say that this is true, people like to say that Bloodborne has the more obtuse lore but it's much more satisfying and legible once you get deep into it.
In ER you are dumped with a bunch of info and moving parts that are cool at first but don't have much depth to them or don't have nearly enough answers to keep you invested, I'm not saying to answer everything, I'm not saying to handhold the player through it all, but fuck me, a little more guidance please, a hook.
I still don't even know why all the enemies are zombies and attack the tarnished, like, why does Lasseax have a vendetta aginst us, wth did we do to Malenia? is she just schizophrenic? Mohg used to have a covenant where he'd ask you to join him but now in game he just appears and wants to attack you, at least with Morgott, Rykard, and Godrick it makes sense that they'd be hostile, they are haters and don't want no tarnished elden lord, and Godfrey is just competing against you in the tarnished free market.
Also wtf is up with Melina? That was retarded, she appears as your maide in the first hour of the game and from then on she talks three times and then she burns and the player doesn't care or knows wtf was up with her, how was she born from Radagaon and Marika without anyone knwoing or caring about her? Was she always just born invisible?
Back when the DLC wasn't announced Torrent was just a random ass horse with no lore attached to it, now we at least know he used to be Miquella's friend which is nice.
Melina is such a waste of waifu bait, she could have been the DS3 fire keeper premium, but she doesn't even appear when you level up, in ER whenever you level up there's just... silence.
I thought the whole point of having Melina tied to every grace was so she could level you up without having to teleport anywhere, but she isn't even necessary for that, hell, even when she leaves once you enter Leyndell yoou can still level up anyway and nothing changed.
Also it's kinda weird that she is the one that has to bring you to the roundtable hold but no one there knows or talks about who Melina is? How did the other tarnished reach the roundtable without Melina? It's like some kind of etheral magic place inside the Erdtree right?
What the fuck Miyazaki?
>In ER you are dumped with a bunch of info and moving parts that are cool at first but don't have much depth to them or don't have nearly enough answers to keep you invested
Yeah, it's the opposite of the other games: the more you learn about the story in ER, the less compelling it becomes.
Things seem too detached and segregated to be worthwhile. Like Sellia and The Nox: it's an interesting connection, but it doesn't make the world feel larger and more connected, since the scope of their interaction with other parts of the game is so limited.
And Farum Azula: it's cool that you can see the ruins in Limgrave, and there are a couple of Beastmen hanging out down below, but it doesn't feel connected.
Bloodborne had the most coherent and satisfying lore/ setting of any of From's games.
I got a very distinct impression that they were working off of an outline from GRRM where he gives a cast of characters and a bunch of higher-level concepts for the setting with maybe a handful of ideas for how things might interact and develop with the expectation that a full narrative would flesh out the details, but then From just didn't do that
Maybe, yeah. As interesting as the idea of using another writer's ideas as a framework is, I'd prefer if they went back to doing their own thing.
They didn't shy away from having a lil more story in Sekiro, and that game sitll has secrets, so then, why did they decide that their new 90 hour game that's open world and it's the biggest thing they have ever done was gonna be the game with the LEAST story in it ever? There's lore, plenty of that, but the story is literally "go here, maybe muh age of stars, become le elden lord" and then the ending comes up and it's an anticlimactic cutscene and that's it.
AC6 came out this year too and while it wasn't directed by Miyazaki it still has a lot of character interaction and shit going on to make sense of everything that's happening, it's the game with the most character interaction and voice lines that ER has done in a looong while, certainly the first one since Miyazaki's era.
The item descriptions were a good addition in the other games but in ER they are a shitty crutch, and ain't nobody reading the description fo every single inconsequential item they find just to get a 0,00001% crumb of lore info, questline design is also outdated and shit.
Fromsoft is at a crucial point now, Elden Ring is marking a new era for them, they are either going to learn and adapt and become better than ever, or they will stagnate and become boring, AC6 isn't perfect but it marks that they can try new things, I am hopeful but not 100% sure.
AC6 was directed by Yamamura who has been responsible for or at least involved in every good thing From has done since DaS1
I know Miyazaki didn't write Sekiro, so was it him? In Sekiro I quite liked it but AC6 is way too anime for my taste, still has interesting stuff and I like some characters but there's something about the presentation that I just don't like, there are also some retarded moments in the story but let's not get into that.
It's still good enough and Kekiro is top tier so
>This is the kind of people who criticize ER's writing
Let me guess, ADHD and high school dropout
>No retort
>"muu zoomers"
What retort you fucking idiot?
You seriously said Torrent was "some random ass horse with no lore attached to it", it's clear you're barely even capable of tying up your shoes, stick to velcro and don't talk about things you're too stupid to understand.
tell me what Torrent's lore before the DLC was other than "magic horse that Melina gives you because she had him for some reason and also Ranni knows him but she won't specify how."
The hint is what color his summoning animation has. All spirit summons have specific colorations hinting at how they came to be.
>he ER lore is the least satisfying of any modern From game, to be honest
Is crazy how boring the titular Elden Ring turned out to be, especially when compared to the First Flame or the Old Blood. Even the Dragon's Heritage was a more interesting narrative.
what does the Elden Ring even do, if it was shattered and it's the thing that controles reality, then how is reality not broken?
I thought this would come into place in the game, in trailers we could already see those gravestone jutting out of walls, that made me think that the shattering would have waraped not only the physics in the world but also distorted the world itself.
I thought perhaps Stormveil was cursed with eternal storms because of this, I thought maybe all the enemies in the game would mindless or deformed because of the ER breaking while they were still in the lands between, I thought there would be strange distorted areas all over, like places inert objects weren't affected by gravity or places where the night is perpetual, strange paranormal and vague shit like that, a good excuse to have variety in your open world as well as a strong sense of artistic direction and difference in each area WHILE keeping things cohesive.
But... in the final game it ain't like that lmao.
I thought the wall gravestones were also a result of gravity glitching after the shattering lol, hows is Bloodborne lore more cohesive than ER lore? Bloodborne literally bases it's lore about things being incomprehensible and strange and it's still more cathartic to discover all the info.
The Rune of Death was taken, which means no one can die.
The Runes themselves seem to be aspects of the Demigods that hold them, if you read the item descriptions, and they apparently come into being when the Demigods are born (Morgott's, Malenia's).
Marika is host to the Elden Ring, and apparently creates new physical laws whenever she has a child.
I dunno.
>The Rune of Death was taken, which means no one can die.
Except all the bosses you kill
Shsssh. Don't worry about that.
so before Malenia was born things couldn't... rot or something?
What about before Marika had any children?
Also I literally kill animals and zombies in ER all the time, they fall down, stop moving, they are dead, is it canon that they revive and start walking away later? If so, then why do the humans look decrepit but not the boars and birds?
What about all the corpses in the game that never revive? Castle Morne has a lot of corpses, so does Leyndell, so does Caelid, though some people seem to reanimate with the rot and be even MORE decrepit zombies, do different levels of damage make it so it's harder or easier for a person to "regenerate" and thus when they come back to life they are affected by...
Nigga this shit is too convoluted, in Sekiro it's just the military of a clan, in Bloodborne it's the beastly curse and the great one's influence, in Dark Souls it's hollowing, in DeS it's the demons, but in ER you just have to cope to come up with an explanation that isn't even very sound.
I know these games have work put behind the lore, I know that, but something suHispanicious is definitely going on here kid
Grace is what brings you back, you can see it so after death you return to the lands between
but that's just for the tarnished
Before Malenia there was Malenia's master and him defeating the Rot God. Malenia is more like a reincarnation of that rot but it was there before other elements.
Because they recycled Hollow animations and behavior from Dark Souls and didn't bother to make it fit perfectly on how Elden Ring treats its version of "undeath".
And Scarlet Rot, whatever it comes from, possibly some Cthulhu-like God, could have manifestated in another host before Malenia, but the game mentions no one before her.
The only things mentioned to predate the Golden Order are whatever god/energy/pagan cult the Crucible is associated with and the Dragons.
There are multiple orders that predate the golden order.
The golden order itself is a transitionary organization between 2 different orders - erdtree era - golden order - golden order fundamentalism.
We see the history of Marika's own ethos evolve and burn away the old multiple times. Before her dominance she battled the Gloam Eyed Queen.
Dragons and the Crucible aren't the same exact order either. Dragon cult is a derivation within Crucible.
Also don’t forget, Maliketh defeated the GeQ for Marika. It may be easy to underestimate Maliketh’s power in lore, but he’s one of the most powerful characters. Remember: he beat GeQ and her apostles BEFORE he had destined death, since GeQ was the owner of it before which is why the blackflame fireballs lack red. Radahn stopped the stars and was the strongest demi-god, he forced Malenia into a last-resort attack. Maliketh would still beat him especially with destined death.
Maliketh choosing to be a hermit is the canon way they can explain him choosing not to intervene. His bond as Marika's shadow forces his hand in a way.
He is Marika’s shadow, after all. Just like Blaidd we do see individuality with Maliketh, he shows genuine remorse and responsibility for Godwyn’s death and holds a vow to never let it happen again.
He's ready to watch the whole world get consumed by TTWID over it. Marika's grab for power fucks the whole world up and everyone close to her except Gideon sees it was a massive fuck up.
Even Marika sees it if you really delve into the dialogue. Her last speech to the people was urging them to look deep into the faith so they can dismantle it and move past it.
It said a lot when even Enia, someone you’d assume would be the embodiment of the Finger’s will, encourages you to go through and burn the tree. Even she’s realized that Marika doesn’t want what the fingers want anymore, this age needs to end.
>Enia
One of the most endearing moments in the game. I still get jaded slightly seeing her corpse in my completed file.
The elden beast even knew he fucked up as evidenced here
Radagon was going around seeding the Golden Order faith in the demi humans before being sealed up knowing he probably isn't going to be making it out this incarnation.
that's a bit retarded, if it's untrue that's on you, if it's true, that's on FROM.
The soldiers, knights, and footsoldiers in ER all use new animations tho, so unless they were cut animations from former games then uh...
You could handwave it away with the idea that death only applies to creatures with intelligence.
Also, death and rebirth in Elden Ring is about being recycled through the roots of the Erdtree. Major boss souls are "hewn into the Erdtree", which you could use as an explanation for why they don't come back.
As for zombies/ humans, we'll, let's say killing Kenneth Haidt sends him to the back of the reincarnation line because he's a 2tb file, but zombies are such absolute dregs that it's like transferring a 93kb jpg from the recycle bin.
ER's explanation for enemy agressions is still mostly shit and convoluted and you know that, the rest of From's games did a good job but not here, I care about ER, I love From, and I'm interested in their coming games but this is all just cope bro.
The wandering noble ashes say that being a zombie is a result of eternal life even after death but if this is true, and let's assume that the Elden Ring's "order" only applies to humans, then there are still so many fucking inconsistencies that don't explain agression or why some people don't revive.
Also what a weird place to put the lore behind the zombies in the game, in all the other games the reason why you are attacked on sight is front and center, a crucial part of the lore, here it just seems handwaved.
It's like GRRM vaguely tried to make a reason why the world is decrepit in the future but he didn't know how the game was gonna be designed so he didn't give a foolproof explanation that would allow for From to make all the cool enemies they wanted, and Miyazaki probably didn't want to tamper much with GRRM's work, so they kinda just let this inconsistency happen and tried to make players not focus too much on the physics and logic of what's happening in the game.
>and let's assume that the Elden Ring's "order" only applies to humans
No reason to do this when there are multiple subplots about the "order" throwing humanity in the bin and trying to restart with the demi-humans.
Shitposters don't actually play the games they shitpost about.
How is that a shipost?
You can disagree with it all you want, but it's actual discussion.
Because it is intentionally shitty and not actual discussion.
You haven't replied to any other posts that countered you you aren't interested in actual discussion you are just trying to frame your discord posts.
I'm not even that anon. Your standards for discussion just seem to be based around what you know/ believe about the story.
And to pre-empt it: no, I don't use discord.
He still hasn't replied to any of the posts that replied to him, except the one shitting on him.
He'd have used his time to reply to the genuine responses if he was being genuine. Instead he's using it to kvetch at people saying he's shitposting.
Well, I don't have a horse in this race except to say that discussion, even if it's misinformed, isn't shitposting.
Hey I am the anon that was complaining about the lore but I'm not the one making up stuff about a discord, take into a ccount that Ganker is anonymous so chances are you might have even spoken to 4 different fags lmao, maybe you are not even the guy I think you are.
>Also what a weird place to put the lore behind the zombies in the game, in all the other games the reason why you are attacked on sight is front and center, a crucial part of the lore
It's a part of the lore here too. The zombies are from a time before the shattering turned the world to shit and are doing what they would do in life. (you) are the aggressor attacking them to their zombo brains.
>but this is all just cope bro
Oh, absolutely. It works for some enemies, but not for others. But then again, there have always been story concessions to gameplay in these games, like permanently killing a non-hollowed NPC in Dark Souls.
Just have to let it slide, because there's no satisfying way of integrating all gameplay mechanics with story mechanics.
well, there is, but they don't
>what does the Elden Ring even do
Elden Ring is The Pattern from Chronicles of Amber. It's indeed a code of reality, but it's still mostly intact.
>code of reality
Interesting way of looking at it.
Chronicles of Amber has a shitload of computer romance in it, too. Merlin was literally a programmer who coded a Pattern based computer for example. And since Zelazny is Martin's mentor and friend, it's undoubtedly influenced ER's setting too.
Hell the Goldmask is a divine programmer too.
Sounds cool, will look into the series, thanks anon.
Elden Ring has so much interesting weird shit with all these alien beings and intelligences, mimicry, celestial bodies, ancient civilizations, reality warping, but none of it really goes anywhere and there aren't any big reveals or moments where it all comes together in some interesting way, it's just kind of there. It wouldn't be too hard for them to tie it all together in a satisfying way, like you go to the moon and find some kind of alien civilization that was experimenting on people and accidentally fucked themselves and the planet by doing something that made it attractive to all these powerful outer gods.
This is basically what I'm hoping for from the DLC. I've given up on the idea of a hard sci-fi turn, but if they can pull a string that draws things together in a satisfying way, I'll be happy.
It's just too disjointed as it is.
>I've given up on the idea of a hard sci-fi turn
I initially was going to write you go to the moon and discover shit like cloning factories and communications arrays but yeah I don't think they're going for sci-fi
Yeah, Elden Ring has the most lore of any Fromsoft game but it's way too... strange, it's not satisfying at all, and so obtuse too.
Elden Ring was definitely not finished or did not come out all that much how Miyazaki wanted toward the end of development.
There are even interviews were Miyazaki expresses he has regrets and he feels this is still not "it", it's not his definitive game ideal game.
Will shadow of the erdtree actually patch the game up or will it be like most other DLCs and just be about something different?
People like to joke that Fromsoft DLCs are unrelated to the final game but unironically DS3 DLC, DS1 DLC, and Bloodborne DLC are super important and some of the most memorable content in those games, in many instances actually quite lore important too, in DS1 DLC you fight Artorias and aencounter Manus, in Bloodborne DLC you fucking find Kos and fight against Ludwig, in DS3 DLC you literally stand at the end of the world in the wasteland that appears in the begining cinematic of the game.
If Shadow of the Erdtree is the biggest DLC yet for their biggest game yet... how will it come out?
I am a harsh critic of Elden Ring and it's shitty copypaste and unbalanced combat but I am unironically baseding at the idea of what this expansion can do for the game if it's a SotFS scenario but good.
It's because hiring that fat fuck was a mistake. Making it Dark souls 4 or whatever with Dark souls lore and world would have been a better solution.
And he knows this.
I'm not sure that's the case bro, I dunno how the GRRM thing went but I believe that ER's world has a lot of potential, it still does, we've had enough of Dar Souls and ash and burning stuff and being le hollow IMO.
It's ok if you really like that setting and you prefer it though, Dark Souls is still pretty kino
>GRRM
i was pissed when I learned he had such a little role in the game yet was plastered on the marketing, he set the ground work and Miyazaki wrote the rest
I love how salty Ganker fags are about the fatman's involvement. The entire drama surrounding the Royal Family is the exact style for GRRM and is very distinct from other Fromsoft storylines. There is no reason to doubt his involvement aside from the fact you're a butthurt hipster.
>hipster
>grrm
Lol, lmao even
Yes if you hate one of the most popular modern fantasy authors just because he's popular, you are a hipster.
you mean contrarian and no
I really enjoyed the lore that was there, but Elden Rings lore just has way too many holes. And I don't mean contradictions, but just huge details that are completely missing or not explored much. None of their previous games felt like this, like obviously there were some things that were up to interpretation but in Elden Ring lore it often feels like there's nothing to interpret because it's just plain missing, so all you can do is insanely farfetched guesswork.
>None of their previous games felt like this
lmao, even if you want to restrict this to Soulshit it's not at all true, if you want to actually talk about other FROM games then things get much worse.
Also what are those supposedly huge holes, I'm interested.
She's going to bring up npc villages and minigames or some shit.
If it isn't something terrible like that anons will reply explaining the lore she doesn't get and she won't reply to any of them.
not the anon who you replying to, but:
Why do we depend on Melina to bring us to the roundtable? Wee all the other tarnished there brought by her? Doesn't seem that way, also Melina's absence through the whole game even though realistically she should be aiding you and trying to vet you to see if you would be a good lord is very retarded.
Why are there Caelid enemies in the mountaintops of the giants? They are clearly animals warped by the scarlet rot and saying otherwise is cope. Explain to me the huge skeletons and scary crying statues on the eternal cities. The first guy you talk to in the game makes a point tarnished having maides to guide them but we don't meet a single maiden ever and we don't know why other fellow tarnished don't have one. Therolina is just a fucking... "spirit"? That appears to aid us in Radahn Festival and that's it, also there's the tarnished eater invader which is kind of a weird idea but i guess From had to put the butcher woman reference again.
>Why do we depend on Melina to bring us to the roundtable?
How would the PC even know about the Round Table, retard?
>Wee all the other tarnished there brought by her?
Could the other tarnished see the Grace?
>also Melina's absence through the whole game even though realistically she should be aiding you and trying to vet you
She's always by your side retard and you can summon her for the fight against Margitt in the capital, if you need her help for every little thing then how is she even vetting you? Retard.
>Why are there Caelid enemies in the mountaintops of the giants?
I didn't know the rot was localized entirely in Caelid, I could have sworn there's an entire fucking lake under Liurnia or something...
It's almost like the fire monks who got down to Caelid to fight against the rot enslaved some of those things, which is why the dogs have chains, but clearly those details are lost on the average Twit...oh I'm sorry, -X- user.
>Explain to me the huge skeletons and scary crying statues on the eternal cities.
No, I don't think I will.
>but we don't meet a single maiden ever
The first corpse you find in the very first 10 seconds of gameplay is that of your maiden, you imbecile, which was killed by Varre, same as the one in the church where you find Vyke's red phantom, it's almost like it was established Mohg had this business about killing maidens to prevent Tarnished from doing their job and turn them to his side or something...
>Therolina is just a fucking... "spirit"?
At this point I find it hard to believe you actually touched this game in any capacity, I cannot really argue in good faith with somebody who supposedly can't even use their eyes.
Work on your trolling, you're supposed to rile people up with half truths and implicactions instead of looking like a drooling idiot.
>How would the PC even know about the Round Table, retard?
They wouldn't be able to
>Could the other tarnished see the Grace?
No, how does this answer my question tho? Anyways, now that I thought about it, maybe it was their maidens that brought them to the roundtable, but then again, none of the tarnished ever speak of how their maidens fucking died, would be nice to have that to confirm
>She's always by your side retard and you can summon her for the fight against Margitt in the capital, if you need her help for every little thing then how is she even vetting you? Retard.
You are a dumbass, if you don't get what's wrong with how it currently works in the game, you are beyond saving.
>I didn't know the rot was localized entirely in Caelid, I could have sworn there's an entire fucking lake under Liurnia or something...
It's almost like the fire monks who got down to Caelid to fight against the rot enslaved some of those things, which is why the dogs have chains, but clearly those details are lost on the average Twit...oh I'm sorry, -X- user.
I just watched some gameplay of the mountaintops right now and the crows has no chains on them also what a retarded justification, this is definitely bait but I have fun answering.
>The first corpse you find in the very first 10 seconds of gameplay is that of your maiden, you imbecile, which was killed by Varre, same as the one in the church where you find Vyke's red phantom, it's almost like it was established Mohg had this business about killing maidens to prevent Tarnished from doing their job and turn them to his side or something...
I've heard this before, I know our finger maiden is that dead girl at the begining of the game, anyways how the fuck did Varre get there to the precipice of anticipation? The portal that leads to it doesn't work without a magic stonesword
I would answer your last question but Ganker says my comment is too long anyways you are a bitch
>No u
At least you stopped pretending you're anything but a subhuman tourist
>None of their previous games felt like this
Laughable
y'aint are a lore enthusiast methinks
bro they are all Blue
Not all the same shade of blue. You didn't think the mannequins being a dark blue mattered?
I don't even know anymore but I swear I'm an HS dropout
Soulless? Godwyin is soulless and Castle sol's ritual was Miquella shenanigans wasn't it? So then... Are there other demigod who had their soul stolen? How? When? Why? Godwyin is the only to get so much reverence and to turn into a fishman
The coloration of things tends to matter in elden ring. You can see the same parallel going along all the various golden order incants or the various sorcery schools.
Look into the variations and then look into how Torrent is similar to other spirit summons but not the same. Look at how the various big wigs in the golden order end up having animal companion shadows and how Serash is in a golden coloration for Godfrey.
What Torrent is has tons of hints even in the base game.
I think. Bells to resound the order, no bells because that old faith is "silent" hence the way they rage out even without you trying to climb them.
>What Torrent is has tons of hints even in the base game.
Bro people were theorizing Torrent was formerly Vyke's or Marika's all the time.
I know people important in the golden order are often guarded by animals in ER's world, Ranni with Blaidd, Marika with Maliketh, Godfrey and Serosh, but... Radahn got only his normal ass horse, Rykard found the serpent inside mount Gelmir and wasn't bestowed it, however, let's assume that animal companions are only given to empyreans and their lords, this makes more sense, Marika and Ranni fit this theory but what about Malenia? What about Miquella? We now know that Miquella had Torrent but how could we know before? Besides, all the other beasts up until now were... well, beastly, a wolf, a lion, a huge fucking wolf that looks like Guts... we had no vegans in there.
I know color matters a lo in ER, to signify each school of magic and each ideology and gods tied to them, but Torrent is just a spirit that has the same effect as the summoning ashes, that's how I recall it.
>Bro people were theorizing Torrent was formerly Vyke's or Marika's all the time.
They were wrong.
Torrent has always been a spirit mount that has his physical body somewhere else. Even before the reveal of Miquella riding him for the dlc people knew what he was because the hints laid out already fit into place for him specifically.
>A prequel won't work, since you can't go around killing the Demigods
There are other gods before Marika that you can definitely insert into the lore and include as boss fights. Marika wasn't the first Empyrean either since Placidusax and the GEQ were the same.
>A sequel won't work, because that would negate 90% of the endings
DaS 1 had two different endings and it was obvious that the Linking the Fire ending became the canon ending due to DaS 2 and 3 existing. Who honestly gives a shit if one of the endings of ER becomes the canon ending.
They'll just include some sort of time-dimension travel like they did with Dark Souls 1, Bloodborne and Dark Souls 3 in a lesser extent.
>A prequel won't work, since you can't go around killing the Demigods
Who did you think were in the walking mausoleums? Godwyn wasn't the only demi-god killed that night.
Pretty sure Godefroy could be in there
He's in a gaol. The walking mausoleums were the other demi-gods killed that is why you can dupe remembrances there.
Some predate the golden order and can only duplicate non-GO remembrances.
How did Vyke get imprisoned in a Gaol but also have a frenzy-infested corpse run around? I assumed gaols could work for entangling both the spirit and a physical being. I forgot some of the Vyke lore so if this was properly explained I just don’t remember.
Same way Dungeater does it.
They did have an unique story surrounding them. You figure out they are the other demi-gods that have been killed and erased from history. Then you stumble on the raging mausoleums that can ONLY dupe non-GO remembrances and then you realize that the re-writing of history has been going on for a long time.
Sure, and that adds depth to the overall story if youre doing a deep dive, but doesn't give the average person who bewt the game once and is on the fence about buying the DLC something to get excited about.
The prospect of meeting Miquella, or going back in time to meet Godwyn before he became a living dead fish monster would generate more sales than a trailer about characters that weren't even hinted at in the base game.
I'm not trying to sell the dlc to some imaginary on the fence loser, just stating that there was lore attached to the mausoleums.
Alot of the "this means nothing" shitposting is just idiots posting in bad faith.
There is lore to a lot of things.
But the fact there are a dozen of Mausoleums due to open world design recycling does not imply there were only twelve dead demigods before Godwin the Golden and some people can't process this data.
Correct. It implies that there are 12 other demi-gods that have been erased from the history. Only x amount of them can dupe golden order aligned remembrances so only x amount are from the Night of the Black Knives.
It's basic deduction. There's even an epitaph around one of them you find explicitly stating that the dead gods rest there and that the mausoleums walk to keep the deathblight off the demi-gods. Also why their heads are cut off.
It's like you homosexuals haven't even played the game.
where is it even said that wandering mausoleums house other dead demigods? And the erasing history part? When I played the game they just seemed to me like random fucking buildings with legs where you could for some reason dupe your remembrances which was fucking weird. Were there really so many other demigods who aren't even mentioned by anybody or any description and also no longer have any type of influence in the world of the game any more?
A couple of ghost npcs comment on that, one for sure is located by the entrance of one of the churches in the Weeping Peninsula.
You have to infer it.
>you can dupe remembrances there
>but only some types at some mausoleums
>the types you can or can't are reflected in if the mausoleum is walking or seething
>walking to not be where deathblight is
General theory is elden beast has had them removed from history and thinks they don't exist due to being autistic. You the player can go up to them and see they exist though, the elden beast can't. It is out of sight out of mind to the beast.
Don’t the ones that dupe bosses also have a bell?
*demigods
Not him but "The sun in eclipse is said to be the symbol of the Wandering Mausoleum where the soulless demigods slumber"
M8, you really have to relax.
My point has always been that there's every reason to expect that the expansion will be huge, since a sequel would require too many story contrivances.
I also don't think that they'll just make another gauntlet of demigods that we've never heard of because that's not really attractive to normalfags who already beat the game, and From will of course want to maximise sales.
Well they could still pull out another forgotten demigod out of their ass or something if they want to so long as they make it justice and make up some lore about he was always in le shadows or he has been erased from history.
I actually still have to do Dung Eater’s quest as it’s the only ending I haven’t gotten. I remember seeing him project himself with an invader-aura into the roundtable but what felt different was intent, like we see Vyke in the Gaol has the burned armor but his spear is a special variant without frenzy or the ash and he uses dragon cult spells. Like I said, need to do dung eater’s quest which I’m on a replay rn so I’ll do it and maybe I’ll see something. Also
>spirit chunning girl
never got far in this outside of getting her into the roundtable and set up since I never used spirit ashes. Will do this. Also learned patches CAN kick you in this game, I can’t believe I missed that but at the same time it’s one of the easier ones to miss. Game is just huge.
It's not different. The 2 guys with unimaginable seethe at the world are both shown not in their gaols because they don't want to be.
Headcanon - gaols only keep you locked up if you believe they do. Vyke had immeasurable seethe from the 3 fingers and dragon waifu shit. Dung eater can also project himself and he is the embodiment of shit as a person.
They lacked the faith in reality itself enough to be contained.
Godefroy makes sense though. Spirit Chunning girl's arc shows you Godfrey was willing to experiment on everyone to do his chimeric shenanigans. Doing it to his own family to test it is reasonable.
Yeah, but there's no hype for them, since they're never alluded to in the base game.
If the Walking Mausoleums had some little unique story behind each of them, then you could flesh them out, but they're all just copy-pasted.
You can't get someone to care about a Goddica or Godlick sight unseen.
In DaS2, the bosses were at least an extension of a theme that had been hinted at via Nashandra.
>since you can't go around killing the Demigods that need to survive unto the time of the main story.
What's the problem? They can just add Starscrouge Radahan or some shit. They have proven that they don't care about anything with Godefroy.
Godefroy was probably the worst thing they did in ER; best to pretend it never happened.
Godefroy is the worst thing they have done PERIOD tbh
Astel reskin and Godefroy at the same game.
And they wouldn't even be missed if removed.
WHY DID FROM DO THIS.
Yea it's just baffling and embarrassing. The Astel reuse was so fucking disappointing.
Like half the bosses in DS2 were Godefroys from DS1
They already confirmed it's not a prequel or sequel.
It's a remix, they are adding new enemies, new quests, finishing npc queslines, changing enemy positions, adding sailing to visit other lands, adding new weapons, magic, armor. It will just take place in the same map with only like 3 new areas the size of Caelid.
The only issue?
Are you sure about that? Where and when did they confirm this?
It's a better thing for a fresh playthrough to enjoy the DLC and it also skips the obvious pocket dimension DLC cope.
I don't think that they've confirmed this but this is more or less what I was expecting, From DLCs tend to have some surprises though, remember when people though ringed city was about Londor? Shit's fucked man, back in the day we thought Elden Ring was gonna be sci fi with aliens and robots, you never know until the end, say what you want about From but they always deliver something surprising along with the recycled souls shit.
I just hope bosses, music, and dungeons are top tier, just line in all the other DLCs
Nice headcanon.
>They already confirmed
No they haven't you fucking lying homosexual why do you just fucking lie like that?
You have literally zero idea about Dark Souls lore, don't you?
As with DaS they coudve used other lands while retaining things or themes of the series.
>A giant $60 expansion unironically makes the most sense.
It's going to be 30 bucks at most.
Probably more like 20, considering how they priced previous smaller expansions.
But anyway, does it actually genuinely matter for some people if it'd fit in or not...?
Just give me new areas, new bosses, new enemies and items, without repeating any of it an endless amount of times like they did in the main game.
I hope it’s a new game. 18 months is a long time.
I just hope it’s more Elden Ring
18 months is absolutely not enough time to develop a new game, you fucking delusional mong.
Look at how often Armored Core games released on PS2.
And?
The Talos Principle 2 is pretty damn good.
New games developed in under 18 months, repeatedly and consistently.
The size and quality of ER?
Nope.
>old games didn't take as long to develop, therefore this modern game also shouldn't take much time to develop
anon
It's the same developer doing the same thing - making an expac of their base game.
Don't give me excuses we have evidence of this exact studio doing it before. We are talking about the SAME EXACT studio repeating the SAME EXACT thing they've already done a dozen times before.
>doing the same exact thing
I didn't realize Elden Ring had the scope of and tech of a PS2 game. you sure showed me. after all development times ballooning with each generation is only observable with fromsoft!
It does and now you know.
>not knowing the open world was pre-generated and then gone over with a brush
You underestimate how fast developing a game that generates itself can be.
At a cursory glance, but not really. You've seen the STRIDER from AC6 overlayed onto the LB, do you think it took the same amount of time to create both?
The STRIDER took more time to develop since it wasn't randomly generated based on inputs it was actually designed from concept to what we see by hand.
>when the thread is about to archive so you go out saying the most retarded shit imaginable
>seething because you don't have a real reply
I can’t make a real reply the thread is about to end. I’ll just say that by this logic, the Xylem took like 10x longer to develop than Elden Ring.
But you can waste time kvetching right?
I’ll make a Barney thread just for you if you wanna see some kvetching
you tranny homosexuals truly cant help but to reveal yourselves to be tranny homosexuals, huh? every time.
Here comes the Goldson! Weeee here it comes!
What's a Xylem?
I actually ponder this. Fromsoft seems to be the only company pumping repeating games out, and it’s working,
Why have all the corporations switched to this delayed games while pursuing new IPS and game engines.
I would and I’m sure the company would to, be much happier playing Witcher 5 right now than Cyberpunk.
Majoras mask, Links awakening, Conkers bad fur day, Donkeykong 64, Baldurs Gate 2 were all great games.
>Fromsoft seems to be the only company pumping repeating games out,
bro capcom is right there
True, another cashcow. Though this one I think is low quality but the fans don’t and that’s what matters.
I always wonder what kind of person and how shitty their life must be to be to get this mad on v opinions.
We know fromsoft is a workhorse, and they already have the game engine all made. Every other DLC was 9 months, most Dark Souls games took 3 years to make, reusing the same engine I think ER2 could be done in 2 years. We will see I guess.
Again, ER is way bigger and more detailed than any of their previous games.
If they pump out another game in the next 6 months, it will be an entirely different game that they've been working at even before ER released.
2 years of development time for DLC to a game known for being enormous.
That's the same length of the dev cycle that From took with the first Dark Souls.
Shadow of The Erdtree is going to make Elden Ring a gigantic chore to complete when the "GOTY" version is released.
>make Elden Ring a gigantic chore to complete when the "GOTY" version is released.
It's really not that bad unless you are trying to 100% it.
90% of mini-dungeons are unnecessary, they don't have key items, important gear, etc.
You can get on Torrent and beeline it to the few remaining points of interest (legacy dungeon, mines for upgrade materials, maybe a golden seed/tear/crystal tear or two)
The worst area (Mountaintops) is a 5 minute horse ride if you go directly from the start to the end without distractions
I doubt that the DLC would be harder to do
on a second playthrough ignoring the shittass duingeons is fine, but in the first playthrough you only know one thing, there's secondary content, and some of it is godly and great and has nice rewards, and lot of it i expanadable and might be repetitive or boring. Solution? Play like a good game baccum cleaner and explore everything trying to find a smuch as you can, the best secret area in the game might be around the corner after all, so then, by the end of the game you get burned out, it is what it is.
nevermind me just sipping some wine I saved from the last time this happened.
It WILL win at least a GOTY category like pic related as well.
Didn't stop Zelda or Persona from cashing in. What makes you think it won't work for Fromsoft?
It's fromsoft style DLC so it'll be somewhere in the super late game but be about 1/3rd the size of the main game. It's not really a sequel, its not going to be big enough to call it that.
>1/3 the size of a game that's 3x bigger than previous From games
so basically a new game
From is probably going to shut down within the next year and Japan will collapse shortly afterward
We can only hope, ac6 was ruff man.
Hello Discord sisters. Careful not to overdose on the copium.
HOLY SHIT TURN ON CNN
that will be the day I never buy another video game again. Fromsoft is carrying the industry on their backs, u know.
Yea I pretty much only play fromsoft Capcom and koei games. Some rpgs here and there persona and smt are good. The rest of of what’s out there is pure shit. Western studios there’s not a single one worth giving attention to
What is capcom doing, I was lamenting the complete irrelevancy of the Breath of Fire series on here and some stated Capcoms pretty much a Slot Machine company now.
What Capcom games are you playing?
Not him but I've been happy to see them pulling Resident Evil up out of the septic tank finally, and DMC5 was great. I don't play fighting games but people seem to like SF6 a lot too
>finally
REmake 2 is already four and a half years old, do you count that too?
"Finally" makes it sound as if it's been like just this or last year.
I meant "finally" in reference to the decade long festival of trash that RE turned into after RE5
I don’t know how I didn’t know they were RE. That makes perfect sense, thanks.
>What is capcom doing, I was lamenting the complete irrelevancy of the Breath of Fire series on here and some stated Capcoms pretty much a Slot Machine company now.
wot? Capcom has been consistently been putting out RE and MH titles for awhile now, and Itsuno has/is released/releasing DMCV and Dragon's Dogma 2. you sure they didn't mean Konami?
I have been demoralized and will promptly buy Starfield instead, sirs
all the new armor, weapons, enemies, locatiosn etc. is just going to be reskins of stuff that was already in fromsoft games
I am demoralized and will now cut off my dick and become a transvestite
I am demoralized and will now drive a truck into a shopping mall thank you sirs
source: your ass
>Rapid fire DLC spam GOOD
>Expansion packs BAD
I've never played elden ring and am waiting for this dlc to play it, know plenty others that feel the same.
Nice headcannon homosexual
Im more excited for this dlc than i am fucking actual game releases.
Thats how fucking shit things are right now for games.
>that's how shit my taste is right now
FTFY
Oh please anon, list me some exciting games this coming year. I cant wait to hear your refined brilliant taste in trash.
No idea, I'm not a zoomer who thinks you can only play newly released games
Thats why im excited for a dlc of a game from almost 2 years ago.
Fucking retarded nagger.
You must have a real shitty narrow taste in games if this year didn’t give you at least one title to enjoy.
I'm waiting patiently for the kino that is coming, however long it takes. :3
Kill all shazamposting discord trannies
I remember. The Itulihya Guidelines were real and it was a pastebin composed of a list of tactics to follow in the event of being caught sabotaging a thread.
if I remember correctly some of the points were
>not to answer
>accusing others of being trannies
>accusing others of being conspiracy theorists
>to answer posts impersonating other users to generate fights that would divert attention
>abadonate the thread to wait for it to "cool down".
You can detect such tactics in threads even today. Real guerrilla shit.
sorry but this isn't zeldaslop
we actually play videogames here
>he thinks ill ever forget about ER when Ganker posts about it constantly
Not only will I buy it I'll preoder it as well and send Miyazaki an email with my favorite foot porn
>actually it won’t sell
All it takes is one good trailer and everyone will be back. Hopefully at the Gay Awards.
The gay awards this year are definitely going to have some nice announcements, Kojima and Miyazaki are well aquainted with Jeff keely and there's alwaysa chance of a random third trailer that shows a game worth caring for too, the last couple of years of gaming shows have been kinda shit so this streak has to end at some point.
I will admit that even if the games are shit it's usual still pretty find to sit back and laugh at the cringe or rage at the worst possible picks for the categories.
Pretty much, always a good laugh with Ganker
I enjoy the designated thread every year.
I'll play it, I purposely have a character saved with everything done except Malenia and Radagon/Elden Beast just so I can jump right into the DLC as soon as it drops
>Nobody will play it when it comes out because the hype has died down
you mean like how nobody played Phantom Liberty because the CP2077 hype had died down since it's release in 2020?
it LITERALLY had more peak concurrent players on steam than CP2077 had before it's release
holy shit Ganker is full of retards
From better deliever an addition to Ranni's questline where you can actually save Blaid...
It's not happening, anon: he's a tragic character, not meant to live.
You can't save Blaid, his fate is a consequence of being Ranni's shadow.
Remember when people were using burial tree watchdog webms to try and shitpost the game to death before release
people were saying the animations were broken and unfinished because of how it would float without moving its legs, as if it wasn't supposed to be an animated statue
it ended up being one of my favorite fromsoft boss designs
Shazamtrooning was so funny but a part of me wishes I stayed off Ganker to go in 100% blind into ER, I will probably do that with the expansion tbh.
This fucking jak with morning stars attached to the MLG was great.
that whole image set was great, it somehow predicted what elden ring actually was like
I remember taking those webms as confirmation that the game was going to be about robots and going to the moon.
Good times.
I wish
I remember playing the game and constantly looking up at the moon expecting that bit of symbol you can see on it to start doing something
Same. Was certain it was going to be significant.
You know the rules
>Malenia is half prosthetics and is blind yet still sees you somehow
>Moon is everywhere and Ranni’s ending is close enough
You predicted it
All that stuff is still in the game. Farum Azula was Net Laputa and it got shattered by Astel plummeting to earth.
90% of the inhabitants in the lands between are simulacra already it isn't just the nightkin.
Immense cope.
Elden Ring is shit and therefore the DLC will be shit, but you severely underestimate Soulstards. They are strong contenders for the most retardedly autistic playerbase in modern games. They will jump on and felate anything even remotely soulslike in appearance and not shut up about it for months.
why causes the discordtroon tendie dregs to seethe so much over ER, anyway?
like look at this post (), it's been obviously written by an impressionable negative IQ tendie reprogrammed by the trooncord
>retarded mouthbreather calling others stupid
don't drool all over yourself now
>why causes the discordtroon tendie dregs to seethe so much over ER, anyway?
Lots of people got extremely asshurt over the difficulty.
For the first week the game came out, there were non-stop threads about shitters getting filtered by Margitt.
People with bad builds or copy-paste youtube builds are basically seething about the end-game difficulty spike.
Most of that was troon types trying to force gimmicky low level runs on launch week and refusing to get that the overall level scaling for a game that size means what you think is normal leveling is severely underleveled.
Also, no one believing what the eyes did.
That's actually a good point.
There were people posting screencaps of level 1 runs, and people doing all sorts of gimmick builds for shits and giggles, and even then there was full blown autistic cope shitposting if you posted a screencap of you beating a boss, or getting to a late-game area with low stats.
But ignoring that, there was definitely an organized group dedicated to shitposting
Malenia Trump is literally the only difficult boss in the whole game, everything else can be steamrolled with a bit of leveling+upgraded weapons+upgraded spirit ashes.
what level character I should make for preparation
I hadn't thought about it, but how are they going to balance the DLC around the fact that a lot of people will have a meta level character save?
They'll want new players to be able to get on board the hype train, but most people that will be buying it day one will be at level 120-150.
They might have different areas tiered to different levels, but if those areas are top low level, there won't be any challenge, and if the areas are too high level, newer players aren't likely to enjoy it (like it or not, this is something FromSoft have to consider).
Maybe each new zone will have high and low level sub-areas, like how Caelid is divided into normal and rape difficulty.
Dark Souls 3's second DLC was pretty brutal if you weren't on an optimized late-endgame character
Yeah, it's a slog. But From became very accommodating to casual players with Elden Ring (ash summons, invasion changes), so I think they'll make adjustments with them in mind.
Like all other dlcs - it is intentional post game content. From dlc is always formatted the same way.
Trying too hard.
Same thing that whittled down my interest in ToTK; I don't mind waiting, but when it takes too long with no real information or idea of what's happening, I end up moving on to other games.
I've been really getting into Danganronpa the last year, replaying the older 3D Zelda games, OG Resident Evil, working on my backlog of old strategy games -- all things that have diverted my interest away from FromSoft games. None of my friends who I initially played the game with touch it any more, either. I don't think the expansion will be bad or anything, but it'll still have to be pretty damn amazing for me to bother getting it and starting a new save when I have so many other games to play, including From's older titles.
ER lore threads always feel like anons talking out of their asses trying to gaslight others into believing into bullshit they spout on the spot.
Not really. The lore for ER is laid out bare.
I will play it, and I'll have fun so I don't care 🙂
It's painfully obvious they had no DLC in the works at all until people started bitching.
There is no world in which FromSoft weren't going to make DLC for one of their games. The only time that's happened since DeS was Sekiro, and that's likely a result of Activision being israelites about it since we know From had a Tomoe story ready to go. People speculate that the Tomoe boss fight was recycled into Malenia, which would explain a few things.
retard
>complaining about no hype for something that has literally no advertising right now because they're still developing it
>YOU NEED TO RUSH GAMES SO THAT PEOPLE PLAY IT HYPED INSTEAD OF MAKING IT GOOD!
why are you retarded?
Hopefully it will be a more focused experience that leaves out the bloated and unnecessary open world elements that plagued the main game. I also want some more diversity in the main bosses and once again some levels that are hard to traverse without the constant spam of sites of grace, stakes of marika or nonsensical elevators. I did not enjoy the main ER game but maybe this DLC is a return to form (or at least I can dream about it).
Kuro and Miquella SEXO
calm down, lorefags
They could release it 10 years from now and people would still play it, retard.
why would it flop you retard it's the only thing to look forward
>discordtranny cope thread #5272625262729292936362828282.5
Sellen
Didn't that one game get dlc 6 years later and it sold pretty well?
Mario Kart 8?
Not the one I was thinking of but that works too
I'm 100% sure they will make Miquella evil homosexual who we need to kill otherwise we get another bad ending because he's Griffith reference and he can't overshadow (t)Ranny (writer's pet)
Nah he's written as almost jesus like good in the setting. He's failed to cure Godwyn like 3 different times he just gets more depressed each time it never makes it look like he's going to turn dark side.
A more likely outcome is he retreated into the dreamscape to find another solution and once there didn't want to leave.
He isn't evil but he's in a dreamstate and can't be reasoned with. We will have to stop him but he'll have accidentally found a way to undo the deathblight.
Willingly sacrificing himself will end the curse, it was something no other demi-god was willing to do for Godwyn up to that point.
Miquella lost his body but his soul is still wandering, where as Godwyn's soul was destroyed but his Body persists, and one of Miquella's ambitions was to help his brother acquire a True Death.
He's also probably experiencing the same personality split as Marika/Radagon between himself and Saint Trina.
Nothing points to any other that though. We understand why St. Trina was a thing for Miquella and why Radagon was a thing for Marika. They aren't equal at all.
It probably will have slight references to Dagoth Ur though, Miyazaki likes putting elder scrolls homages into his games (the ogres are giants before you meet the real giants, they will fus'ro'do you).
Nigga he's manipulative sissy boy who tried to make his own "kingdom" and almost got reborn into something else. And there's item description which says he's the most fearsome of all Empyreans. He's literally Griffith and will try to fuck player over (but le glorious ranny will save the day).
You're a fucking idiot. Literally nothing in the entire game substantiates the idea that Miquella is secretly evil or whatever. Not a single malicious act is attributed to him.
He's still the most fearsome of all Empyreans and Gideon wanted to kill him.
His masterplan will be evil
Ranni's masterplan was evil as fuck and she was the games designated waifu
Uhh chud It's not evil even if she killed like half of demi-gods and ruined the whole civilisation because she wanted freedom from GW.
>Gideon wanted to kill him
Gideon wants to kill anyone that gets in his way of becoming Elden Lord retard, that's the entire crux of his character and no one is a bigger threat than the fiercest Empyrean.
You didn't get Gideon. He doesn't actually want to be elden lord, his job is to be in the way of the real prospects so that Marika's will can go on forever.
He straight up tells you that is the plan when he finally confronts you. He does not want to be lord himself he is being a steward bitch.
Absolute retard, he didn't understand her will until the end of the game when he approached the Erd Tree.
He never understood her will. He's doing what he's interpreting but his goal is always to stop real prospects.
He sends a fucking assassin after you then says big whoop nigga.
>He sends a fucking assassin after you then says big whoop nigga.
He does it to take Medallion part from you, which he needs to get to miquella's tree (don't know why tho)
To become all knowing
Cause he thinks that knowledge is literally power and that by studying he can become the most powerful person in the world he can become elden lord (but that's not actually how it works lol)
>He sends a fucking assassin after you then says big whoop nigga.
Are you dense? It's because he views the player as another expendable pawn. Once you acquire the medallion he sends the assassin to take the medallion.
>another expendable pawn
But by the end of the game he begins to respect you
He's also has feeling for his another expendable pawn - Nepheli Loux and thanks you for helping her
>But by the end of the game he begins to respect you
He has no choice, he can't afford to reveal his hand until the very last moment because he knows you're too much of a threat to take on himself. That's why only waits until it's the last option.
That was his adopted daughter that he only adopted so he could manipulate her into also looking for the medallion pieces.
He only cared about the status quo. If it was sucking dicks he'd have tried to force everyone to suck dicks.
You both don't understand Gideon. All that shit about "understanding Marika's will" is nothing more than pure cope. He's salty that he got out done by a newb and is trying to pretend that the contest was never real and he didn't REALLY lose, even though he obviously fucking did, and entirely because he was too lazy and cowardly to go fight shit directly.
Don't really care, the only point I was making is that he isn't secretly working for Marika the whole time. That's just retarded headcanon.
see
He's trying to snuff out the haligtree remnant. It threatens Marika's design (to him).
Wasn't Marika positive Haligtree thing?
No. Marika was pro erdtree before she realized it was a thing influencing her back.
Miquella is pro-Haligtree, thinking a new tree will breathe new magic life into the setting and take a shit load of that limited power away from the erdtree.
She didn't always resist it. It became what it was because she actively pushed for it for 99% of the time. The remorseful Marika we meet is after years of subjugating the continent in a pogrom based holy war. Read the chronology of the war eras she was brutal until her son Godwyn started using a softer approach after tutoring with the dragon cult apart from her. He ends up mysteriously killed.
>Read the chronology of the war eras she was brutal until her son Godwyn started using a softer approach after tutoring with the dragon cult apart from her. He ends up mysteriously killed.
People always forget this tidbit when asking why Godwyn had to be killed in Ranni's plan and how much Marika's may have been involved with it.
You're implying that the elden ring was manipulating Marika to be brutal, but this is unsubstantiated. In fact, pure worship and following of the greater will is exceptionally tolerant of essentially all living things. Marika's fucked up golden order policies were all her own choices, and entirely in line with her being a barbarian princess who suddenly found herself the god queen of the world. Also Godwyn's murder was orchestrated by an enemy of the greater will.
>You're implying that the elden ring was manipulating Marika to be brutal
No I'm not. Marika was factually brutal. She wiped out and subjugated entire civilizations. She only treated the dragons less brutally because Godwyn was favored by them specifically and he went to bat for them after winning a war against them for her.
The guy around Marika softening her rule magically get killed. You don't think that was important?
Marika was just trapped in a position and made really bad choices trying to get out of it. There was no way out by the time she saw how tight the noose had gotten so she flipped the table. All the pieces to undo the faith were already sprinkled about she had no other option left but to tell people to look into it as she was trapped in the machinations already.
My belief is the elden beast was born from her will not a will of it's own. It is a tulpa that reflects the values she was angling for in her ascent and is now powerful enough to not need her. It foresees it's own end though, that is why Radagon went around seeding holy relics with demi-humans to try again in the future.
This. It's a clean line in her conquest of the lands between and she was always 100% despotic in how she ruled over those she conquered. Except for the dragons, because her favored son asked her not to be so hard on them.
Then he is assassinated. It is like JFK getting merked right after saying he's scatter the FBI to the thousand winds.
>My belief is the elden beast was born from her
>Elden Stars
>This legendary incantation is the most ancient of those that derive from the Erdtree.
>Creates a stream of golden shooting stars that assail the area.
>It is said that long ago, the Greater Will sent a golden star bearing a beast into the Lands Between, which would later become the Elden Ring.
The Elden Beast existed long before Marika
The meteor is just made of the material their prima facia is based on. Read up on how magic works in the setting, the magic rocks are just closer so their influence to make magic real is stronger.
Magic and miracles are sourced from the same prime element and belief in magic makes magic real in setting. The elden beast is just a tulpa.
Learn how lore works in these games, item descriptions always tell you the truth. The Elden Beast is the living incarnation of the elden ring, and we know the elden ring existed at least as far back as Placidusax's time. Marika did not exist at that point
>Elden Remembrance
>Remembrance of the Elden Beast, hewn into the Erdtree.
>It was the vassal beast of the Greater Will and living incarnation of the concept of Order.
>
Just like how Christianity is the one true faith because Jesus is God's son made manifest right?
Persecution of the undead ends. As time goes on everyone will become undead and it isn't bad if everyone is in the same state.
>Just like how Christianity is the one true faith because Jesus is God's son made manifest right?
Yes.
>Persecution of the undead ends. As time goes on everyone will become undead and it isn't bad if everyone is in the same state.
Wouldn't this eventually lead to extreme overpopulation and eventually the living would want to slaughter the undead
>Just like how Christianity is the one true faith because Jesus is God's son made manifest right?
Not even close to the same thing
It's pretty close. All the homosexualy roleplay for the beast being "real" needs to imply that the Greater Will is real when it is clearly an in-universe "God's Will" allusion.
Shitty things happen in this setting, to cope they explain that it is the Greater Will's desire, it also makes the usurping elden beast give itself validity.
>bro this is totally the Greater Will stop resisting
It was a control measure/coping mechanism.
The whole game is about finding out Marika has been lying about everything and entire questlines hinge on it and people still spew Golden Order propaganda like the GW is real afterwards.
I can't fathom having that type of learning disability.
golden order lore entries being written by propagandists really throws the midwits off after all the prior games had literal lore entries.
Ask them who the first elden lord was kek.
It was him
There's an entire legacy dungeon exploring the ruins of the previous civilization that held the elden ring and followed the greater will way before Marika was even born
It's almost like the concept of things being out of their control was always there.
Humans 2000 years ago were also saying thunderclaps were Odin riding across the heavens it was just God's Will making that noise.
I hate to tell you this anon but Elden Ring is a video game, not real life
>Shitty things happen in this setting, to cope they explain that it is the Greater Will's desire
No? The Greater Will is never shown or even implied to have any motivation beyond maintaining Order, and it doesn't care what form that takes. It's perfectly happy with Dung Eater's poopie rapie ending because the elden ring still gets "fixed," and no one handwaves it with "it's just what the GW wants lol"
Nearly all of the shitty things that happen in the setting are the result of either human idiocy or other gods/entities influencing the world, from the god of rot to the formless mother to the frenzied flame to the astels and whatever their deal is
>The Greater Will is never shown or even implied to have any motivation beyond maintaining Order
Yes, an allusion to the status quo and maintaining it. A very powerful tool for someone in the middle of a religious war and dominance.
I'm sure the hundreds of other erdtrees visible in the Elden Beast fight are just a hallucination
No those are the other erdtrees, you see them on the overworld all the time. The beast is contained in his tree and using the color out of space style shenanigans to spread itself out from where it is caged.
Ah, I see we're just shitposting now
Wait, do you think an allusion and a hallucination are the same thing?
We say things are God's will in our reality and we all know it isn't actually true. It is your will and you believe in god so you are giving a rote reply that takes responsibility out for you personally. The fault isn't in our stars anon, it is with us.
I don't even know what you're even trying to argue anymore, are you trying to say the Greater Will in Elden Ring isn't real in the context of the video game because some people in real life don't believe in God? Do you know what fantasy is?
>when it is clearly an in-universe "God's Will" allusion.
Tell that to the civilizations that got directly fucked by the greater will so hard that the held a grudge for like 20 thousand years
>their own tulpa creation got the origin of reality wrong
kind of proves the point doesn't it?
For any of this to be true Marika would have to have been alive during Placidusax's time, which she wasn't. Your headcanon's very premise is completely flawed
Nope. He's talking about the merchants being blown out and making their own representative of the GW that talks complete nonsense.
Every culture has a GW because they are all trying to cope with explaining what they don't understand.
>their own representative of the GW
The frenzied flame is a completely separate entity from the GW and is diametrically opposed to it, you have no idea what you're talking about
I'm talking about the Nox, and their failed war against the greater will. The three fingers probably are some kind of tulpa. But that's all it is, an entity created by one group of people on one planet, which you can help destroy the elden ring and kill the earth. Absolutely nothing compared to the greater will.
The three fingers manifested as an emmissary of the frenzied flame in response to the merchants' collective despair and hatred. The frenzied flame is an outer god
>The three fingers manifested as an emmissary of the frenzied flame in response to the merchants' collective despair and hatred. The frenzied flame is an outer god
The first is true, the second is (deliberately) unclear. It could just as easily be that the "frenzied flame" is a sort of spiritual pathogen that the merchants willed into existence.
>Absolutely nothing compared to the greater will.
Because it isn't real.
They know the things the school doesn't know, those things are about how magic creates the reality around them. Carians are the ones capturing the starlight the Academy is floundering around in the dark trying to make heads or tails of it.
Ranni creates the dark moon with her communion, her mother communed with the normal moon. There was a creation of another tulpa in setting. The carians know how to do this process instead of having it seep into them like Marika.
More headcanon pseudbabble
>Because it isn't real
Yes it is. It's real, it performed direct actions, it created life on the planet, and it can communicate with people.
Can you give an example that won't look like ipso facto reasoning?
You haven't provided proof for a single one of your claims dude, you just keep making declarative statements and acting like they're proof of themselves
The destruction of the nox civilization. Communication with Gold Mask to create the rune of perfect order. The bestowal of the same golden power to both the dragons of Farum Azula and the humans of Leyendell despite them having absolutely no cultural overlap that would have resulted in the same idea of what a god should be. The fact that the brutal actions of the golden order, which according to you effectively created the greater will, are not reflected in what the greater will actually does. Even hated abhumans like misbegotten and omens can worship the GW and use golden magic, which should be impossible if you were right. The GW only opposes things that oppose creation itself, such as the usupers of Nox or the undead.
Also you're a retard who doesn't know what ipso facto means
Nah it looks like he knows what it means he's using it correctly each time.
You're literally just spewing buzz words without any logic. The Nox tried to rebel against the god of creation, thinking themselves equal in stature, and were punished for it by being banished beneath the earth. This happened millenia before the golden order existed. The greater will is a cosmic entity on par or greater than the primordeal current. It is absolutely real.
It doesn't exist m8.
The Carians already fully understand how reality is made up in setting. They do not ascribe to the GW principle when all others that don't get how reality is made up do follow the principle.
>The Carians already fully understand how reality is made up in setting. They do not ascribe to the GW principle
Proof?
It's the sole reason Radagon (the beast) tried to marry into the Carian family after failing to take them by force twice before.
He was trying to seek their hidden knowledge and never found out. He was so blind to it that when Ranni's mom gives him her moonlight greatsword he turns around and turns it into the golden order greatsword then throws it away after not getting it.
A big sidequest thing is learning that the beast never found out magic and miracles are the same, it was trying to find what was different about carian magic and never realized he was sourced from the same magic.
>A big sidequest thing is learning that the beast never found out magic and miracles are the same,
>retard spreading head canon nonsense doesn't know the plot
They DID know, they just suppressed it, because of the heretical implications (IE, that all sorcery was drawing on cosmic entities that were not the greater will, rather than being merely an expression of internal power)
The elden beast never knew. Thops found out but the beast was not aware of what it itself was, it is dramatic irony.
The real rub is Renella had to have known Radagon was the beast to gift him the moonlight sword in the end.
Just 1 example that won't look like ipso facto reasoning. Just 1.
I know you just learned the term ipso facto and think it makes you sound smart but invoking it doesn't work when that's exactly what you've been doing this entire time
Just 1 example. I know you won't find one but I only need the 1 anon.
You can scurry away back to your discord if you don't have anything further.
I'll chalk it up to it being God's Will.
>I'll chalk it up to it being God's Will.
kek 10/10
Multiple have already been provided, which you handwaved
and are now crying discord because no one's buying your dumb made up shit
The carians DID submit tonthe greater will, except for Ranni, and she does not deny its existence, she is its enemy (because she's being manipulated by the dark moon, a different, lesser god)
And they go create their own 2 fingers (with tip) that expressly states the greater will is a homosexual and you shouldn't believe any of it because [insane 3 finger ramblings continue].
Psssst - crucible cult is just a fantastic rendition of how clay self propagates and formed life on earth. Look it up.
Don't use ipso facto reasoning when the game gives you multiple hints that the rocks that fall to the planet are just overflowing with whatever the fuck they call magic.
Can you link something. Esoteric shit turn a lot of different non related results if you just type "clay self propagates" on search engines.
It'll probably return something related to Botanic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Cairns-Smith
The various faith structures in elden ring reflect specific evolutionary theories or are representative of the reconstructionist period of the christian faith.
Magic is real in the setting, that is the only truism. All other inferences are based on what people did to manifest the magic.
>crucible - standard evolution that isn't influenced by the outside
>dragon cult - knowing eugenics toward an apex form
>erdtree/GO/GO fundamentalism - just used to show a truncation in belief structure to being fundamentalist. You have to erase a lot of common knowledge to reach fundamentalist rhetoric
>scholars - mystery school
>Carians - know the mysteries, won't tell people
It's just magic and then justifications for how the magic manifests.
And most of the magic is just radiation from space rocks, literally.
No, it would lead to everyone being TTWID. Every living person that dies joins the other side. There will be no end to it because in Fia's ending you mend the rune to make the new status quo what it is. It is a blackpill ending that only has solace in everyone being equal, which is it's own merit in a reality where everyone's suffering is derived from their unequal status.
I'm not saying Marika wasn't brutal. I'm saying she was always a cunt, and the elden ring and greater will had nothing to do with it. People who actually understand the greater will agree that all things can be conjoined. Her retarded policies and bad parenting that resulted in schisms and heresy and caused the country to disintegrate the instant she wasn't around to use violence against the enemies of the state were entirely her own fault. This is also substantiated by the fact that Radagon was far more moderate than Marika when he became dominant, choosing to integrate foreign powers and ideas rather than destroy them (because he actually fucking understood what their god actually wanted).
>The guy around Marika softening her rule magically get killed. You don't think that was important?
It was important. It was also done by Ranni, an explicit enemy of the greater will and follower of a rival god. Hmm, I wonder if the dark moon had any interest in the murder of the greatest champion of the greater will, and the only person that might have been able to hold the empire together if Marika was out of the picture?
>My belief is the elden beast was born from her will not a will of it's own.
The elden beast and even radagon himself were defense mechanisms of the elden ring. Their primary goal is to maintain the erd tree and make sure that creation continues to exist, which is why when shit hit the fan, they don't even bother doing anything at all beyond keeping the erd tree sealed up and killing anyone who tries to touch the elden ring. Their job is to simply make sure that life continues to exist, essentially being an emergency backup recovery program that came into play once Marika started making moves against the literal seed of life on this planet.
You're over interpreting Marika. She resisted her station as the golden goddess, which caused the elden ring to manifest Radagon within her, and that drove her mad to the point she opted to try to destroy the elden ring. She called on the tarnished to get strong and claim the elden ring because that would require killing Radagon, and she fucking hates Radagon.
I still don't know why Gideon chimped out.
It seem like he didn't even wanted anyone to take eldenthrone in the end, but he's still loyal to marika
What did he understood that we didn't?
He interpreted her ethos to be never ending fighting, which it is. But he couldn't conceive that there actually was a reason for the fighting and forming an ethos superior to hers was the point.
She held on to power as long as she could but when the chips were truly down and she was about to be checkmated she flipped the table and sent out a signal to everyone to look deep in the faith and move past it. Past her and past it all.
Gideon never got the last part.
I agree with this take, Marika is like Nietsche and says to always fight for something better, Gideon is Schopenhauer and he's just dooming and thinks the world is just pain and suffering and that's all there is.
"Fearsome" as in "powerful". And it's likely that this was in reference to the fact that his psychic powers made it impossible to want to harm him (thus allowing him to do whatever he wanted without fear of being attacked), not that he was harboring some sort of secret inner strength. Also Gideon is evil and a fucking retard, did you even play the game?
He is the most fearsome according to his sister Malenia, this is because Malenia considers Miquella is so based, such a good person, such a perfect being, that she firmly believes his goodness will infect other people and his ideology will prevails and he will one day rule fairly and peacefully unlike all the other orders of the lands between that were a failure.
This is my interpretion though.
>Literally nothing in the entire game substantiates the idea that Miquella is secretly evil or whatever
True, but Miquella DID make bewitching branches, and Malenia's armor states that Miquella is not to be fucked with.
I know it's over-reaching, but between that and the st trina sword description, Miquella is kinda spooky.
He isn't spooky at all. He was just self aware of the power he had.
he's just a charming little boy and a e-boi's wetdream.
Miquella is spooky. The idea of a god whose power is that you're just psychically compelled to love them is honestly pretty horrifying. But best we can tell, Miquella never once abused this ability, and in fact tried to use it as constructively as he could.
I mean most of the rune bearers having some sort of manipulation ability is scary in itself.
Mohg can manipulate blood because of his connection.
Radahn learned gravity magic and was apparently stopping those meteors.
Malenia exploded and turned Caelid into a scarlet rot wasteland.
Godrick can literally just graft body parts to himself.
Renalla can fucking reincarnate people, and then you have Gurranq that managed to hide a piece of the death rune before Ranni had that cult steal it and ruin everything or whatever.
Yes and we (murderhobo with a stick) killed almost all of these fags. Because they manipulated space around main character, not his mind
True, I guess it's just, with Miquella, you can't really over come him with strength. Making your opponent not want to attack you is the perfect defense, and functional against even an overwhelmingly more powerful opponent. Realistically if he really wanted to, he probably could have taken over the world (except maybe through intervention of Radagon, who would probably be unaffected), but it just wasn't in his nature. The only weakness is if someone does something bad to you that they think is good for you (IE, getting Mohg'd)
This. His nature is to always selflessly put the good of others over his own.
Griffith works because you know the betrayal is going to happen as they rewind the story back to earlier years and you can see him angling for his betrayal constantly. There is literally nothing there to point to Miquella being secretly evil.
>Literally nothing in the entire game substantiates the idea that Miquella is secretly evil or whatever.
Not necessarily evil but scheming and capable of manipulating people
None of Miquella's plans were conspiracy, and were just broadly benevolent. His unique ability is almost existentially horrifying in concept, but nothing in the game suggests he ever abused his power.
There's no such thing as absolute good or evil in ER because Elden Ring writing is godly. Even the most evil character in the setting, which is Ranni, just had her own good reasons and motives that many players justify. Miquella/St. Trina isn't going to be just a candid wholesome Kuro NPC.
In the case of Miquella and Malenia, his failed attempt to ascend to Godhood included meddling with the Rune of Death, in direct contrast to the Two Fingers, and the Golden Order, likely conspiring with Marika.
>Even the most evil character in the setting, which is Ranni, just had her own good reasons
Yes but there's also edgelord fags like dungeater and Shabriri.
Shabriri did nothing wrong.
MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD!
>Goes on a whole calm and collected speech about his passion only to spill his spaghetti in spectacular fashion at the last second.
He's literally me.
This meme upsets me. I fucking hate frenzied flame and love Jeb. Now clap.
>Even the most evil character in the setting, which is Ranni,
Ranni is a selfish cunt (and a moron puppet for the dark moon), but she doesn't hold a candle to monsters like Malenia, Mohg, or the Dung Eater
Mogh is just retarded and trying his best. Honestly, he's a please be patient I have autism type.
Look, I also find his love of Miquella to be cute, but he started a murder cult out of hatred for all living things and worship of violence and death. The fact that the scale of his crimes on the world pale in comparison to the rotting of caelid doesn't change the nature of his motivations and intended goals.
How can you be this stupid?
>Tree branch blessed with an incantation of unalloyed gold.
Craftable item.
>Pierce a foe, using FP to turn them into a temporary ally.
>The Empyrean Miquella is loved by many people. Indeed, he has learned very well how to compel such affection.
That is clearly ominous.
Literally everything we know about Miquella makes him out to be benevolent, he's only ever tried to help people
He is not growing the Haligtree to help people. He is doing it to save Malenia and become a god without the Greater Will (probably with the unnamed gods of Rot and Abundance as the new Outer Gods)
>A gift of gratitude to the young Miquella from his father, Radagon.
>Produces a golden ring of light and fires it across a wide area. Charging enhances range.
>And yet, the young Miquella abandoned fundamentalism, for it could do nothing to treat Malenia's accursed rot. This was the beginning of unalloyed gold.
>he's growing an erd tree
>to become god without the greater will
He's just bypassing the golden order, and was trying to resurrect Godwyn and cure Malenia to bring an end to death blight and scarlet rot, both of which are exestential threats to all life.
>He is not growing the Haligtree to help people.
He literally planted it and built Elphael as a hidden sanctuary for many of the downtrodden and oppressed groups in the setting, did you not wonder why it's full of misbegotten and the albinaurics consider it a promised land?
>He is doing it to save Malenia and become a god without the Greater Will
You contradicted this in your own post, he developed unalloyed gold to help Malenia. The haligtree has nothing to do with her or unalloyed gold, he watered it with his own blood
This is another example of taking Miquella's propaganda at face value. The Erdtree and Haligtree require corpses to grow. He is just poaching members from one religion to his religion so they'll be buried in the roots.
>The Erdtree and Haligtree require corpses to grow. He is just poaching members from one religion to his religion so they'll be buried in the roots.
Headcanon
The golden order did use jars of corpse wax to fertilize the lesser erd trees, but there's no evidence of this practice being performed with the Haligtree.
Corpses are buried in the erdtree's roots but there's nothing that says it needs them to be able to grow, it's done as a high honor for heroes and royalty because the erdtree was the central focus of the nation's religion for ages. And yeah the haligtree is specifically watered with Miquella's blood, there's no evidence of him burying bodies in its roots
>Propaganda is when someone does something good and you assume it must be secretly bad with no evidence or even clear idea of what the real purpose is
>The Haligtrees require corpses to grow.
No, he specifically omitted this process and chose to use his own body instead
The power is spooky but we've never seen evidence of him abusing it
Nigga got turned into a bussy slave by a schizo pedo lmao ominous my ass (unraped by Mohg)
Completely disagree on Fallingstar but Radahn is less than halfway through and Godfrey/Horah is at the end of the game. Most of the shit between is complete attack chain spam and hesitation crap, if not pushovers like Astel or Dragonkin. I'll still play that garbage but my point is more or less that very few bosses seem designed to be fun instead of a series of "gotcha" gimmicks.
He's just looking for a peaceful place for all the downtrodden caught up in a war between much greater powers.
His Haligtree was another attempt to try and fix Godwyn.
His only actual character moment in game is when his tree "cries" when malenia chooses to throw her life away.
Sadly the DLC is about rescuing Sellen, she's taken as a Vessel for the Shadow Erdtree, and you need to save her. The ending is terrible the statue helmet she wears cracks and shows her face, and she calls you her apprentice and kisses you.
yuck.
It's going to sell 20 million copies and you are going to cry and shit yourself because you're bad at the game and refuse to improve
>and it's doubtful whether they will even release it.
Bam looking more like Phil every day
I love how ER mindbroke Soulshitters by denying them rollspam and r1
It's pretty funny indeed
>wow I hate your rollslop game you just roll and roll and roll it's 2ez
>what do you mean I can't just roll and roll and roll shit game input reading shazam was right it's a flop
I've been replaying it, I mostly just hate the animations and the damage output. The attack patterns are fine, it's just that so many attacks honestly do not look like attacks. We got hip-checks, we got melee attacks that are telegraphed from off-screen while in melee range (in a game where you can't cancel your attacks and some weapons have massive end lag), we got bosses bending over backwards to hit you with attacks you weren't in the right position to be hit by. And for the audacity of being in melee range in a melee game against a boss with melee attacks it's always 40% of your health or more, even if you've done nothing but level Vigor you have to top off after getting hit once because a strong hit or a true combo will kill you outright, which starts this brutal cycle of heal punishing. The icing on top is that all of the attacks have huge windup but the actual attack is lightning quick so you don't actually react to the attack, you just realize "okay it's been 2 and a half seconds, time to roll before the attack starts to dodge it".
I don't feel guilty about cheesing with Carian Phalanx spam. Bosses dodge spells and arrows, but don't recognize Phalanx as a projectile because they don't actually dodge projectiles they just detect you've fired a bow or a spell and dodge, and since Carian Phalanx launches from no "state" they don't dodge it. And it instantly staggers them. Fuck the boss design in this game, they've been making the same kinds of bosses for a decade now and the only innovation they've done is add state-reading exploitable garbage and bad animations. How did these same devs make honest bosses like Allmind and Enforcer?
You sound like you got filtered by Margit
I beat Malenia back at release. I just find the "correct" way to play ER so incredibly boring and passive compared to every other Souls game and that all the weapons that feel like they would actually be fun to use are punished the hardest because they have the greatest level of commitment in a game that punishes this commitment. I don't even use R1 in boss fights because there's no place where I could swing twice, so I may as well use a fully charged R2 or a Weapon Art. I can't even guard counter because either I don't have poise or the counter gets me hurt because I can't dodge out of it by the time the boss (not staggered) attacks again. If they wanted me to actually pay attention to a boss they need to *get* my attention, and big damage and bipolar animations makes my eyes glaze over.
Tons of weapons are fun to use, maybe you're just bad at the game
Name five weapons that are fun to use. In my playthrough I'm using Bloody Helice and Lance. Dynast Finesse is alright I guess but it feels pretty gimmicky and the base moveset is so slow I may as well have put Bleed on a Zweihander. Lance R1s are a huge trap across the board against anything that doesn't get killed instantly.
The best bosses are the gravity alien beetle dogs, Radahn, and Godfrey/Hoarah Loux, so I don't really agree with that take. Early game ER kinda sucks.
>Name five weapons that are fun to use.
Treespear
Envoy longhorn
Sword of night and flame
Morgott's cursed sword
Halo scythe
Margit/Morgott, Radahn, Rykard, Godfrey, Mohg, Placidusax, Maliketh, and Radagon are all fun as fuck
Most curved greatswords
Most greatswords
Most ultra greatswords
Twinned Knights Swords
Iron Balls
Nightrider Glaive
Executioner Axe
Crescent Axe
Powerstanced Guardian’s Swordspears
Powerstanced Scythes
Powerstanced Daggers
Lordsworn Straight Sword, great right out the box
>Most curved greatswords
>Most ultra greatswords
Get punished the hardest by the boss philosophy, the weapons I use when I notice how little time the game gives you to actually attack the bosses. I've tried these already.
>Executioner Axe
>Crescent Axe
On my first playthrough I tried the Longhaft, as well as the stock Greataxe and Winged Greathorn. Pretty mediocre compared to DeS/DaS1 Greataxes, and of course get punished hard by boss philosophy but maybe the rolling attack is low commitment. I can't remember, it's been a year.
>Powerstance
Honestly I should give it a shot. My current playthrough isn't suited for powerstanced weapons, but I've always wanted to go full helicopter and powerstance Twinblades.
>Powerstanced Daggers
This I did try because I made a PvP build to invade Gael Tunnel, and I found I couldn't hit bosses I was physically colliding with. I had trouble hitting Dragonkin with a fucking greatsword because of the hole in his belly, the only way I could hit that fucker with a dagger is with Reduvia's WA. Great against players, would use again.
>LSSS
When the LSGS is right there? Surprised you bothered to list this.
>LSSS
they’re two different classes and you’ll get a ton of the straight swords throughout the game, it’s really hard to miss getting one. The straight sword has one of the best ashes in the game along with having a good charge R2. I never used the LSGS, it’s included in “most greatswords” but I’d rather use the claymore.
You need to jump. Jumping is great, you can’t jump everything and it is kinda bullshit at times when you see something that looks jumpable but the enemy has vertical tracking anyway, but it fucking works on many attacks and the being left in a crouched position upon landing let’s you dodge some swipes like from Morgott.
Godrick and the Crucible Knight taught me all about how jumping rocks on my first playthrough. I think more attacks should have been jumpable. In fact I think it's kind of bullshit that you don't HAVE to jump or totally avoid certain attacks, because you can still just roll right through them. I'd take unrollable special attacks demanding better positioning and using different dodging techniques if I could get better attack readability, if the camera was maybe an additional 5-10 degrees wider in boss fights when I'm close to the enemy, any day of the week. Jumping is rad, and in the future I would like jumping attacks to have follow-up attacks.
Why, sword of Night and Flame of course.
Ruins Greatsword
Ghiza Wheel
Death's Poker
Marais Execution Sword
Ordovis Greatsword
>muh difficulty broken record
>still crying about some of the funnest bosses Fromsoft has ever designed because you can't DS3 panic roll through every single one of them
I just heavy jumped attack all of them to death. They were shit and not even remotely hard.
>um actually you can cheese them so they're all shit 🙂
I guess every Fromsoft boss is shit because every one of them is cheeseable if you're a lameass who hates fun
This. I bought 60 soul arrows at the start of Dark Souls 1 and beat every boss with them lol the bosses are all shit
Sorry the combat in ER is a giant unbalanced mess that was barely playtested. I guess that's what you get when you mix every single mechanic of your past 10 games or so without any regard for balance. Shouldn't have outsourced half of the thing to India.
>balance
>in a single player game
Cry more
ok shill
Go back to discord
What’s your favorite boss fight in gaming
Fatalis in Monster Hunter Iceborne. Impossible to cheese and the ultimate test of everything you've learned.
I’m not watching this but pretend I did this and won https://youtu.be/unby_kp9ZPc?si=PEwizcCsBvndIma8
haha, here is how i won https://youtu.be/QxIq9MAIJ0I?si=_LhT01yKFTZXWAx6
It feels GREAT to be a switch axe main.
There is a world of difference between this "cheese" and just jump attacking a boss to death. Don't bother replying btw I know you can see the difference and that you're just being paid to pretend being an idiot and spout the muh difficulty meme over and over again.
Neither of you have the skill to do this though, and you probably couldn't even get to fatalis because Souls players can't play anything but souls games
Why do you posturing fags post in Souls threads so incessantly if you hate Souls games so much
Ad Hominem, Ad Hominem.
They basically throw out pretending to care how bosses are to fight after Godfrey, the second "main" boss in the game. It's all downhill from there.
I was watching some DaS1 meme vids a while ago the giant mushroom men can solo most bosses and comes very close for the ones it can't and the contrast between that game's and ERs bosses is ridiculous. It really is "my turn, ok your turn" in the earlier games. It's almost relaxing compared to the "anime sword fights" of ER. Even some of the later generic enemies are pretty absurd, like those dual wielding knights you see in the later castle areas.
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ITT: Anon tries to rationalize why Elden Ring's story doesn't seem as solid as Souls' because he's watched youtube lore videos about the older games but not Elden Ring.
They're presented similarly. Elden Ring's is more cohesive & detailed in some areas, but left to the same random-point vagueness in others.
>more cohesive & detailed in some areas, but left to the same random-point vagueness in others.
you can say this literally about any dark souls game
That's because I'm literally saying it about all of From's recent fantasy titles from DeS to ER. It's explicitly what I said.
They work the exact same, but you're more familiar with the older games because you gave them more attention & they've been around longer for you to absorb the details.
DS1, Bloodborne, and Sekiro all have a more cohesive lore that feels more satisfying to unearth, I don't remember DS2 well and DS3's is vaguely too obtuse for my taste if I recall correctly, Elden Ring seems to me like DS3 on steroids lorewise, I prefer the way the lore works in the other games.
nice fanfic
Who are you quoting?
I'm extremely interested in the DLC and will probaboy buy it day 1 after reading or watching some reviews.
Laziest shazamtranny of the day
>no one will play Elden Ring when it comes out because the hype has died down, they took too long to develop it and it's doubtful whether they will even release it
How many times do you psychotic trannies need to get your assholes blown out before you give it up
Everyone will play it and like it because pic related
I kind of want to replay ER but I feel like I'm better off just waiting for the DLC. Hope it isn't too far off now.
ranni sex dlc
Can anyone remind me what Fia's ending was again? I never really understood, did she turn everyone into zombies?
Her rune incorporates the principle of life within death into the elden ring, so that undeath no longer contradicts the Golden Order and TWLID will no longer be persecuted and hunted. Of all the endings hers is probably the least impactful
For me, it's the Formless Mother. I can't wait to roll around in blood and do fucking nothing all day!
>Nobody will play it when it comes out because the hype has died down
This might be the most retarded take offered on any topic, within any board on this entire website on this date...
they need to just release a shitty version of elden ring on the switch so nincels will chill out and we can stop having retarded threads like this
I hope they add more tears with unique effects. The physick flask is my favorite addition to the formula.
Literally HOW the fuck are atheists bigger and more deranged schizos than Christfags? How is that even remotely possible?
Hey, wait a minute…
Oh my science
https://streamable.com/a1dts7
What do you honestly think will happen when you finally convince Ganker to abandon From Software?
Can't wait for fighting starscourge ramadan in some random everjail
I just started NG+ having beat Elden Ring for the first time. Should I start a new character in preparation for the DLC or just stick with an NG+ DLC run off the rip?
the thought of playing Elden Ring again makes me feel sick. open world is a mistake, for some reason it makes the game less repayable than if it had the traditional FROM level design
have a nice day OP
I thought Thop’s Barrier was a meme spell it’s actually revolutionary? Carian Retaliation is cooler though sorry Thop, go back to Demon’s Souls where they did this concept before
The spell is shit but its existence essentially invalidates the basis of the GO/Carian alliance, that they could still do magic while not interacting with cosmic forces, because Thop's barrier shows ALL sorcery is just drawing on the power of cosmic entities that aren't the greater will. Ironically Radagon also kind of did this by creating golden order "incantations" that are really just sorcery that draws on the sun instead of the moon or stars.
I guess that explains the Moon spells even further then, how they aren’t classified under incantations despite the moon being an outer god too. So under a lens could literally all the stars be considered different outer gods? I remember Sellen explained it with the comparison to Amber a la Radagon’ as “gift” to Rennala, and how Astel was supposedly a malformed star. Fuck I need to replay this game again, I guess that explains a reason why Nox were wiped out because Eternal Darkness explained it as well.
The regular moon may also be at least theologically considered an aspect or creation of the greater will. Moonlight is just reflected sunlight after all. (Unlike the dark moon which is a sapient and antagonistic outer god).
>So under a lens could literally all the stars be considered different outer gods?
Sort of, although the implication of the "primordeal stream" is that sorcery just sort of draws on all of them as a group.
>I guess that explains a reason why Nox were wiped out because Eternal Darkness explained it as well.
The crime of the Nox was more specific. They rebelled against the greater will directly, crafting weapons to destroy its heralds and trying to usurp it as the creators of life on earth. That's what all the memetic mercury shit is, the nox were creating artifical life forms, and were trying to create artificial gods. They thought themselves peer to the greater will. They were found lacking. Thousands of years later, the leaden dark moon which had guided the nox found a new follower in Ranni, who, with a little help, can finish what the Nox started, and sever earth from the sunlight.
*blocks your path*
what you do?
>mount Torrent while I'm actively shitting, pissing, cumming, and crying trying to run away
>get sniped by their bullshit from a mile away and die anyways
Those things would put true snipers to shame
Choose another path, fuck these fags
Fix the base fucking game. Make new game plus interesting for fucks sake.
I'm playing through Elden Ring again right now and they made the Death's Poker fucking insane. I just trashed Malenia, the ash completely evaporated her health bar. She's completely neutered from release. Fucking throwing jars stagger her now.
Does anyone even care about Dark slop after Lies of P?
>elden ring
yeah im thinking kino
There's also fuck all else to play so that is one advantage they have. As little as I thought of ER I'd have probably played it if it had came out within a year, but 2, nah. Not unless there's some cool pvp shit which I doubt.
The Dark Souls DLC came out like a year after the game and it sold like hotcakes. People still praise it as the best content in the game.
It's been 20 months since elden ring came out.
Ok bro. Good post
The hype died for anyone that gave it more than two seconds of thought. They're taking this long because they're making another big empty map full of shit on the floor that you don't need, with dungeons housing even more spirits you're also not gonna use. And in traditional rollnagger fromsoft fashion, there's gonna be absolutely fucking busted dlc weapons that will ruin everything until they do some gay balance patch later or they just let it rock.
There's gonna be bosses that infinitely flail and have infinite followups because it's elden ring, and you're encouraged to cheese the fuck out of them because it's a race of you vs their flailing and high damage. It's gonna be literally more of the exact same formulaic bullshit we've had since the game came out. Elden ring is a fucking slog of a game.
>The hype died for anyone that's dogshit at the game and refuses to get better
yes we know
Why do I keep seeing these threads on Ganker that honestly just look like an AI generated shitpost?
It's probably idiots and/or bots...
I can't see why even sad trolls would post stupid shit like that.
Maybe it's reverse marketing. Shitposts like that generate threads like this one, 400+ replies and 100+ unique posters in 5 hours.
Why did they copy so much shit from ds2 and then not allow infusions on everything to buff the base abilities further like ds2? There are 100+ cool weapons with shit scaling and pathetic base attribute damage. Being able to add magic to a carian knight sword to double up on its unique attack and inherent magic damage and maybe putting it to s int scaling would have been cool. So many of the cool weapons are ass and will remain ass forever without it
You can infuse every weapon in the game that isn't a unique/boss weapon
Practically every other weapon in the game is "unique" and are worse because of it
Most of the ones with split damage types are overpowered as fuck even without being able to infuse them
In DS2 you could infuse unique and boss weapons, ER had no reason to not allow this
Probably didn't want to court any more of you troontards.
I still really like the game, it's just an annoying little niggle for me
I don't care sister.
Trying too hard.
That's a good point but you can slap most ashes of war on a bunch of weapons and have tons of build variety.
Also all the boss weapons in elden ring are fucking busted. Even before the fucking PvE/PvP damage patch.
>nobody will play the most popular game in the last decade
do you naggers even think?
lmao, this is so not true. in fast this dlc with be next year's goty.
The US will be conducting drone strikes on FROMsoft HQs shortly.
>less people will play the DLC compared to the base game!
oh wow this has never happened before ever oh my god what an unprecedented travesty. anyway I hope they tell us what SL the DLC will start at so I can get ready, I only have 1 character and I'm not doing the DLC blind at NG++
Every Souls DLC has been tooled for endgame characters, I can't imagine this one will be different
Every DLC increases the base game's sales.
Okay?
that's not entirely true, Artorias of the Abyss is pretty doable after clearing anor londo, and that's only halfway through the game. Ashes of Ariandel is also pretty reasonably done before the endgame. I feel like some of 2's DLC was also doable around midgame but I've only really played the game all the way through once, so I could very well be wrong.
AotA has the three hardest bosses and some of the hardest hitting enemies in the game, it just feels easy at this point because the game is 12 years old and everyone knows it inside and out. You can access Bloodborne's DLC right after beating Amelia but trying to do it at that stage in the game is ridiculously hard, similarly the DS2/3 DLCs all have the hardest enemies and bosses in the games
There's a reason I didn't mention Bloodborne's because that DLC actually very much walls you unless you're a god gamer, whereas AoA is a lot more easily accessible. I've never not done the DLC right after getting access to it, where in Bloodborne I had to give up and return on my arcane character because I just did not have the strength to kill Ludwig for the early Moonlight sword. you can't apply the age of the game to a thing I did when the content was new anon
Bloodborne has the easiest dlc though. Maria isn't hard, neither is Orphan of Kos.
BB gets boring before it gets hard.
Ludwig and Orphan are the hardest bosses in the game lol what are you on about
I didn't really think anything was hard in that game.
>OMG the boss is jumping all over the place
Yeah, but his attack only lands in 1 place. The game isn't really that hard they let you be too aggro too easily. Maybe I was playing the game right I dunno.
Yea but Ludwig was the second toughest boss in the game after rotten hotdog.
Orphan was difficult. Plus the DLC had so much soul. Living failures is a masterclass in how non sword fight bosses should be.
None of it felt difficult to me. I remember having to fight the bitch in the cathedral more than once but that's it.
I don't even get the weird stuff with you guys saying the singing eye bitches being annoying I just killed them, yes even the ones on the nightmare bridge.
I just can’t imagine finding the DS1 DLC harder than the BB one.
The fucking shark mobs in the BB DLC are harder than anything in DS1
Those fuckers are the hardest enemies Fromsoft has ever designed
it's not, that anon is just full of shit. nobody can compare Ludwig and the Sanctuary Beast, or the fish fucks guarding the Rakuyo and the ballsack stick dude and come out thinking the dark souls 1 enemies were more powerful
I do put DS3 DLC ahead of BB. I soloed all 3 games recently, found DS3 to be the easiest by far, than got to the DLC. Wow, couldn’t beat a single boss myself, couldn’t even beat Midar with help.
Midir is my least favorite boss in the franchise. he has too much HP and his head is basically inaccessible for most of the fight. I did it exactly once for the church of spear convenant item so I could gatekeep, I'm never fighting his ass again.
I didn't bother comparing either. I haven't played ds1 dlc ds1 has no dlc in my mind.
I'm one of the anons that got the import of DeS from playasia before the real localization was announced. By the time you lot were gearing up for dlc on DS1 the rest of us were already moved onto some other game, it being a stellar phenomena it is today wasn't there.
Yeah it's easy roll away roll away roll forward. Just 1 roll each time don't spam it, don't try to roll until she is actually coming toward you (do it to early and she tracks it). People found out how to dodge it on launch week.
I bought DeS like a month after it came out after hearing about it here so I dunno what bizarre kind of flex this is supposed to be, I still loved DaS1 and its DLC is one of the best parts of the game
>I bought DeS like a month after it came
What a bizarre kind of flex
>b-but I got the jap version before it was even localized!!! I know better than you!!!
Sure bud
It was the chinese "international" version. At the time sony said they weren't interested in bringing it over to the west.
Fatlus' president hated it
Also people forget that Manus is actually pretty fucking tough because nobody fought him because that locks you out of township PVP
No. Thanks to upgraded armour and 20 flasks, the last 3/4 of DS1 end bosses are a absolute joke.
Artorias was easy, but at least he was really fun and not joke easy.
>You can access Bloodborne's DLC right after beating Amelia but trying to do it at that stage in the game is ridiculously hard
I can vouch for that, my 2nd or 3rd character was a mid level mushroomhead and the DLC was absolutely brutal at around 50, especially Orphan. My first character stomped most of it with minimal trouble at 100+.
You can enter AOA in the Cathedral, a midgame area. You can then go from there to RC. In BB you can go to the Hunters Nightmare after killing Vicar Amelia a beginning game boss. You can enter the DaS DLC early as well. Many of these areas just have one thing in common and thats incredibly obnoxious enemies like the wolves, BoomHammer Hunters, Manticores, Shark Giants etc
You can access all of them at the midpoint of each game but that doesn't mean the levels aren't designed for endgame players. Try going through The Old Hunters at level 35 and tell me you're supposed to do the DLC at the midgame point
I did the DLC at level 25 for my Arcane build. I needed the KP, Milkweed Rune and HMS. Also I wanted to infuse the Whirligig with Arcane since it has a B ranking.
I always sprint through the first part early to get the boom hammer and beast cutter, but I can't imagine even trying to beat Ludwig at that point. He's hard as fuck even with an endgame character
Every time I play him he ends up against a wall with me beating on him. I've never had the mythical hard ludwig fight.
you're full of shit and you know it
Screencapped for future reference.
Cope, seethe and dilate.
Imagine how overtuned the bosses will be in the DLC if the base game had delayed attacks, bloated health pools (inb4 bleed builds), stagger cancels and retarded anime 15-hit combos with every main boss.
Imagine if you had actually played the game and knew everything you just vomited up is completely wrong
But I'm not wrong at all.
health bloat isn't even that bad because of how the power creep works in ER. like go fight Dark Eater Midir in Dark Souls 3 then an endgame boss in ER, the boss in ER has more health, but you do WAY more damage in ER.
>but you do WAY more damage in ER.
I remember trying to beat Malenia with a +25 Colossal GS, fucker didn't even flinch, a single jump attack would deal so little damage the health bar barely moved. I had to hit her 200 times to kill her.
ok and I used the blasphemous blade and the weapon art melted her scrawny ass.
Living failures is unironically a nightmare for some builds early, and Ludwig is one of the harder bosses in the game. Maria is easy once you can parry yeah, but I wouldn't say Orphan of Kos is easy.
It all felt easy to me. But I had been playing souls games day in day out for like 10 years at that point.
I beat AC6 (all 3 routes) in 2 days because once you get a from software game you kind of get it.
I've played DS1 probably more than any other game in my life and I'd beaten DeS and DS2 several times when Bloodborne came out, but I still think it's the hardest one. Maybe I'm just not as good with its more aggressive combat, I dunno. I've managed to beat it a few times but I still have more trouble with it than any of the others
I breezed through bloodborne but got hard filtered on Genichiro in Sekiro for over a year. It being more aggressive isn't the only thing making it easy.
I'll admit I don't know why Bloodborne was so easy for me.
I know what it means though, I'm saying you are wrong. The games are never overtuned, you just hit the limit in your skill and call the things you struggle with overtuned. They aren't overtuned though. And yes, it is discord nomenclature.
yeah, every term that is newfound for you comes from discord, that's definitely the case, you aren't a mentally ill retard with schizoidal disorders
Not only can she one or twoshot you, she has plrenty of HP - I knew what I saw, maybe 1/50 of HP would disappear with each hit I landed, +25 Greatsword. Hoarfrost stomp melted her in seconds. Same thing with the Margit guy or whatever the fuck - +4 Greatsword would deal such little damage I had to rely on the jelly poison and pray with my eyes closed as he took aggro.
Overtuned isn't a new term to me anon. I come from an automotive background you can legitimately overtune a car.
Everyone that has ever uttered the word overtune in regard to a souls game is just saying it is too hard/fast for them personally. The boss is doing exactly as intended, it isn't overtuned and producing irregular results you just see it as too hard or too fast.
Why even bother posting blatant lies like this? Malenia is hard because she does a fuckton of damage and heals herself when she hits you, she's otherwise made of tissue paper
The only "anime bosses" are Morgott and Maliketh, and the only boss with a "massive health pool" is Fire Giant. You didn't play the game
It probably won't be "overtuned" the language you guys use on discord isn't really used outside discord.
>"thinks" not knowing what the term means is a witty response
>i abused a poorly balanced mechanic that poorly integrates with the rest of the game so there's no problem with it
no shit, there's a reason why the next game is called L2den Ring
I fucking wish this was true, just because she's easy to stun doesn't mean she's fun to fight against, every single main boss in the game had a massive health pool while the dungeon ones would take very few hits to kill.
>>i abused a poorly balanced mechanic that poorly integrates with the rest of the game so there's no problem with it
>noooo the power creep of the game isn't real if I don't like it
go write fanfiction about my opinions on game design elsewhere homosexual
I didn't say she was fun, she's probably my least favoeite fight in the game. But to say she has a huge health pool is just blatantly untrue, she's only hard because she can easily one or twoshot you
she wouldn't even be that hard if she didn't have waterfowl dance. that's literally like the singular hard thing about her, is that she has the least intuitive move to avoid in the entire franchise
Kind of have to see it coming with how she just paces at you and eats hits left and right.
Can you avoid it? At best if I see it and roll like mad she gets me for 1/3rd.
Side note, Ive heard fully upgraded Radhan soldiers can beat her second stage by themselves.
You can avoid it, it's just not very clear on how. my strat was to see it coming(lol) immediately turn around and run away, then dodge roll whatever is left in the sequence by the time she catches up with me for the first few bits of it. you can also stagger her out of it with throwables I believe. another strat I used was (before they nerfed it) the fingerprint shield with barricade shield, just let her heal up and out DPS her when's not doing waterfowl.
The nerfed BHS because people were slapping it onto a dagger to be a 1 trick anti-waterfowl get out of jail free card.
Oh right I forgot about that.
How does such obvious bait get 438 posts? Are we just eager to talk about the DLC, I’m pumped!
By everyone ignoring the bait post and talking about the topic instead.
You don't get Ganker if you think anyone gives a shit about OP dilation.
>because the hype
Shut the fuck up you trend chasing parasite.
Not true, look at Cyberpunk.
Nobody will play it when it comes out because the hype has died do-ACK
jesus christ how embarrassing
wait a minute, that subtitle
Wait until you learn the text font Ganker uses is also licensable.
I will play it.
This is just a bait thread and 126 people fell for it.
>BB dabbles in procedural generation for chalice dungeons
>ER's open world uses massive amounts of procedural generation for it's land mass
They have clearly spent the time already trying to find faster ways to develop the larger scale, and have succeeded in it.
>ER's open world uses massive amounts of procedural generation for it's land mass
No it fucking doesn't
It does. All open world games use procedural generation to create the landmass, then go back over it with talented hands to make it feel less procedurally generated.
100% of open world games do this. They did not hand place all the rowan bushes, they let a program divvy them out based on parameters. They go back over the generation to give it an individualized feel.
>They did not hand place all the rowan bushes, they let a program divvy them out based on parameters
Unlikely.
More likely they use brush tools.
No it's as anon says. Starfield and Skyrim are using the same generation, Starfield just doesn't have bethesda employees going back over it to individualize areas so you see the start difference.
Elden ring was made the same way, all open world games are made like that. A dev might define how the coastline in Radahn's arena actually looks but Radahn's arena exists because they put specific parameters into their program when generating that landmass.
>No it's as anon says.
No, it's as Anon said. Plenty of studios use brush tools to generate flora and fauna.
If you had the tech why wouldn’t you.
You would. The anons losing their shit are just ignorant.
They think Ubisoft is having some frenchman lay miles and miles of coastline in assassin's creed games by hand kek.
its sad that its so easy yet non reach fromsoft levels of grandeur. why is that?
If you think all the huge cliffs, tree roots, canyons, plateaus/mesas, monoliths, and many other types of massive, clearly intentionally placed geographical landmarks and barriers were procedurally generated I don't know what to tell you
I do. And what to tell him is that he's FUCKING RETARDED