Should I play the older monster hunter games solo, or does not having multiplayer ruin the real experience?
Should I play the older monster hunter games solo, or does not having multiplayer ruin the real experience?
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Nah. The older monster games solo was the "real" experience But multiplayer does make things more fun and easier of course. I heard you can play PC emulated MHFU online multiplayer too nowadays.
Multiplayer isn't the real experience thoughever?
Monster Hunter was always a solo game, multi was just for fags.
>lying on the internet
The gathering hub is literally scaled for multiple players regardless of whether you're playing with multiple people or by yourself.
Yes you can solo it; but the game was not intended to be played solo.
The gathering hub has monsters with more HP than their village version, when factoring in defense multipliers this usually results in a 1.4-1.6x HP scaling. The 4 player scaling used in MHW and Rise is literally 2.6. You can do the math yourself and see how much of a fucktard you are. The only game where the scaling is actually more aggressive is MH4U, in every other game the hub monsters are just harder version than the normal ones (they have higher attack, they have higher stagger multipliers, and they have higher hp).
This is probably the most factual, yet gayest fucking response I've read today. Kudos anon. Why the fuck do you know that?
A lot of data has been extrapolated from the games during the years. For FU you literally have every HP, defense and attack values for every monster of every quest. 4U probably is still the only one where the data available is a bit iffy.
Nah 4U is like the last game Kiranico actually has a decent database for
Retards got lazier and a worse layout for every game after that.
Monster Hunter is a literal multiplayer party game solofags are the kind of people who pretend smash bros is a competitive game
realistically, could you assemble a group of four and get them to play one singular game for hundreds of hours locally?
most people played monster hunter solo, and most of those that played multiplayer played it with one other guy and not for the entirety of the game
Autism
The series started as Capcom doing a wave of PS2 and GC games with online multiplayer as a focus
The others were RE Outbreak and Auto Modellista
>multi was just for fags.
So you just didn't have friends then, huh
Sounds pretty sad tbh
The only reason Monster Hunter exists is because Capcom wanted a game to feature fancy online multiplayer.
t. lonely anon
i'll hunt monsters with you
no you're fine just playing solo
PPSSPP has cross platform multiplayer. You can play MHFU with friends who only have phones.
Good luck finding ANYONE that is willing to play that game with touchscreen buttons
You can play solo, just some of the later hunts will be a chore eventually.
the guild hall quests are aids without a 2nd prson. village quests are forced solo.
You'll be fine, ignore the multifags and appreciate the extra challenge.
multiplayer was expected in older monster hunter games, anything labeled as guild quests were multiplayer scaled, village quests were the single player experience.
this matters, especially in g-rank releases as there was quite a bit of content essentially locked behind it, you "could" solo the content but the enemies would be too much of a damage sponge.
starting in Monster Hunter World and by extension Rise they made all content (minus arena) scale down to 1 player if you choose.
from it's inception Monster Hunter was designed around online multiplayer
Nice spacing mong. Forget what site you're on?
Hey election tourist, proper formatting wasn't invented by reddit.
>proper formatting
>double line break after every sentence
go back gay
A lot of the hunts in the older games can naturally take up to 40 minutes if you're playing solo. It feels so much more rewarding to solo late game quests but its exhausting.
It doesn't ruin the experience, but playing guild quests solo will be harder on your own.
Yes and its fun solo if you like slowburn experiences
But a coop partner can be nice too
3 or 4 make the games too easy
Also anything after P3rd is not classic and is garbage
Why does someone keep posting FU threads?
Rather FU threads be spammed than yet more fucking pol or e-celeb rubbish
Its the second best next to 3U
Its like asking why are there sonmany new vegas thread
Because its the second best
someones trying to recreate that FU thread we had a few days ago, stayed on topic pretty much the entire time with no console warring bullshit and almost no world/rise talk.
Nice
They chose the right time for it, as most burgers and euros are asleep...including Eric.
Because FUCK YOU
It depends, how much do you like grinding? I'm currently playing village 3U, didn't touch multiplayer or guild quests yet, but the grind to get stuff is putting me off by a lot.
I also played 4U up to G2 solo, after that I found some people to play with and even though I prefer to play World/Rise solo I wouldn't recommend soloing old MH games.
3U , 4U, and XX are ok to solo
4U is fine to solo, especially if you're playing one of the broken weapons like Charge Blade.
Honestly, soloing 4U was some of the most fun I've ever had in Monster Hunter. Also some of the most frustrating times I've ever had as well. Fuck Black Gravios. I hope that farting gay never returns.
lol. black jinouga was the only thing that filtered me, but im used to gravious since playing the old games.
Is Gogmazios solo possible?
Gravios HBG
High Rank Silver Los armor
break the chest with Fire Shots ASAP otherwise it is essentially immune to bullets. You can hit it with the Dragonator to stagger it long enough at the start of the fight to accomplish this
>HBG
If I have to use range to solo then doesn't count
Yeah singleplayer is fun but you can play with other people through emulation. PSP multiplayer was kind of ass anyhow.
I miss him
Go fight Khezu. That's almost the same experience as fighting Lagiacrus oh wait sorry nevermind. I forgot that Khezu can do more than 3 attacks. Seriously even in Tri Lagiacrus is less complex than a fucking Royal Ludroth both on land and in the water
Khezu's theme is better than most monsters' themes.
Fucking Capcom where's my FU port you bastards
Maybe the real Monster Hunter experience was the friends we made along the way.
no fuck you, I want my mantles :^)
you can literally play every monster hunter game online on pc. the ps2 games have private servers, the psp ones have hunsterverse/hamachi, the 3ds games have private rooms, and tri on dolphin is getting its private server soon for public release. and of course mhgu on ryujinx has online that works identical to the switch and can even play with hacked switches. pc is the real platform for MH and its great
>almost finished village quest in 3U
>go into mh threads
>lol btw did you know there's a secret rng table that can fuck you if you didn't roll right
>also you were supposed to somehow magically know about it and do it correctly
Cool epic, this series is a waste of fucking time
3U is an oddity, the charm table thing is a confirmed bug.
it was supposed to rotate out each time you played the game.
unless you REALLY care about making super meta sets its not that big of a deal, just pray you didnt get a cursed one. look up athenas fish finder to determine which one youre on. also if youre playing on citra you can fix it
>also if youre playing on citra you can fix it
How?
its in the MH3U citra discord server, makes it so it rerolls your charm table everytime you start the game, so just like every other mh
Post the mod here, I'm not going to whatever the fuck a discord is
the file is embedded in discord so idk if linking it will work but here
US version
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/868693017895272458/875081651657531412/mh3upatch.zip
EU version
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/868693017895272458/875563718577115157/mh3upatch_eu.zip
just put them in the games mod folder and it should work
I played through 3U and did all the event quests and shit just with a 3 slot talisman. Same with 4U. Never cared for making anything particularly meta.
3 slot is all you've ever really needed. You get plenty of flexibility with it.
Problems only appeared in very specif scenarios or at endgame when you want to maximize damage. But that really only mattered of you were into speedrunning.
There are some tables without 3 slot talismans
My whole time in 4U I never found a charm that was more generically useful than Evasion+6 OOO
Wasn't even the best evasion charm you could possibly get my luck was just dogshit
if you care so much about this you are either a speedrunner or you really didn't get it
you can solo the end game elders ezpz (alatreon not so easy but you get the point) with suboptimal charms.
Fucking sick of Rath's and all their relatives. They're always the lamest monsters because they're just boring unimaginative generic Dragons. I can see dragons in literally any other game. Give Me electric flying squirrels and Giant Fire Moles. Yet dumb dragons make up 50% of the bestiary every game.
>t.
>farming rathalos for a heavenly scale
>decide to start farming the gold ian and silver los quest cause higher drop apparently
>2nd attempt get a fucking heavenly rathian scale
fuck this game, i need like 3 of these rathalos scales, fuck fuck FUCK
also does anyone know if theres a way to make the fast forward work on ppsspp when using vulkan? for whatever reason it doesnt work for me when using the vulkan backend
Agreed, why do they keep using fucking rathian and rathalos in every game with no changes? I've noticed this with Japanese games, they hate change.
I wouldn't even be upset if it was just those two as a fun little recurring mascot. But not only do we have all the recolors wasting bestiary space, there just a never-ending stream of near identical guys who are also just Skyrim Dragons with basically no changes to how you fight them like Tigrex.
I don't mind actually, returning monsters tend to be the stars of a game to a certain extent.
See: Any trailer that reveals a monster and fans going "WOOW I LOVE NARGA!!"
See also: Fans begging for a monster to return
There are some monsters I like so much I want to fight them in every single game just to see how they change and to fight them with the new mechanics.
>he's never beaten G3 (non event version) white fatalis
>he's never crafted the eternal destroyer and/or absolute bow
moron the non event version is easy as shit, since the damage transfers between fight. Just stock up on bombs, bomb the shit out of him, die, repeat the quest until he dies. The event version has less health but you have to do that in one go.
Just got this guy.
Hot damn he's fast when he's mad.
>in house honey
Shit yes.
I've been soloing literally every monster hunter game since FU.
If anything it hits much better if every single stagger and topple of the monster is done by one person, makes you feel powerful.
Just start at 4U and you'll be fine. anything older then 3U and the controls start to get really bad.
Another FU thread?
They don't trigger the chud discord raids.
Most civil threads I've seen in 2 years start with fu pics.
They aren't immune to shitposting.
It takes effort and diligence on the part of the OP to flood out shitty bait posts.
What's the best way to stack up pokke points?
Wanna upgrade the farm but I need thousands of points.
go to the volcano and turn in 2 powderstones. i recommend taking the bone hunting horn for infinite stamina and getting the pro transporter skill to run faster. or just farm shit in the training school
I always wanted to play multiplayer but none of my fag friends want to get MHR and play with me. All they wanna do is play fucking League all day.
League does something to peoples minds I swear. I had friends that play League, they literally only played league, only talked about league, cared a lot about league drama etc
I hope the Hunting Horn is fun again in the next game. Rise is unplayable...
>Rise is unplayable
explain
Hunting horn is too different.
They removed all of the nuance from the weapon, all of the flow. In the earlier games excelling with the Hunting Horn was like performing a masterful dance requiring immaculate positioning as well as a deep intimacy with your move set and knowledge of all the songs at your disposal, allowing you to consistently dodge the enemy while dealing damage AND keeping your buffs active. Generations was the greatest iteration of the Hunting Horn with the introduction of "Double Notes" which you gained instead of normal notes when your attack actually connects with the monster. Performing a recital with all double notes would not only perform that buff but refresh the previous buff as well, providing even more incentive to be aggressive and not fall into the noob trap of performing your buffs away from the monster and then engaging.
As the Hunting Horn stands now, it's just "Hammer but with buffs." No thought, no planning, no grace. You don't even have to use the fuckin' recital anymore, you just get the buff whenever you load up the correct notes (which by the way never change because they removed the entire colored notes system and just gave each horn the same number of buffs). Mastery of the Hunting Horn used to be a point of pride, now it's just "who fuckin' cares?" I was watching some VTubers play Rise a long time ago, and when the fucking terminally-ill bedridden bubble girl cripple of the group uttered the phrase "Wow I love the new Hunting Horn it's so easy to play now!" I piece of me shriveled up and died.
footage of mhgu hh speedrun required for the purpose of scientific research and definitely not for cooming purposes
I don't really watch MH speedruns, I wouldn't know a good video to show you. What I described is how it felt to me playing the Hunting Horn at its peak
The Hunting Horn in World was serviceable mechanics wise, but aesthetically it was brutalized by the nose dive in quality of armor/weapon designs. In the previous games basically every single horn had its own unique sound effects and lineup of buffs, World had what, 5 or 6? And yeah Rise improved on the designs again, but the cost was too great.
This guy is a Hunting Horn autists and has videos showcasing every single Hunting Horn in each of the games. The length of each video should tell you everything you need to know
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLIAC0N10MnzxPeGdtKFV_5L1MzqWvFIzZ
Really sucks half the World one is just boned horns, I really hope they never do that again and don't have only 5 weapon designers
i agree that gens hh was really good, but i think that worlds is the best even though it lacks styles.
i mained hh in worlds, and it felt to me that i could get a great rhythm going while still keeping buffs up and being aggressive enough on the monster to get stuns off. if i could get it down well enough id also run a build with mushroomancer, so id buff up the team with shrooms, then go hard with hh, and repeat the process when the monster changed areas
It's easy easy to play
>completely retool the weapon's moveset to make it seem more appealing to players
>still the least used weapon in the game
>cucked note system but everything else is decent
HH peaked in GU
you mean frontier
>Rise.0
iceborne perfected HH
Adept HH is the most fun way to play GU
i don't play HH but it kinda pisses me off when people rightfully complain about their weapon being killed, also something as unpopular as hunting horn only to get changed for people who would never use it in the first place and those people will defend changes like this.
>Iceborne HH
>But recital and encore animation uses Rise fancy breakdancing moves
there I saved HH for MH6
i mean you could just bring back actually playing the damn instrument and it would be better than rise.
How about recital is now a stance, and pressing a button instantly plays a note so you can attack, play note and move around at the same so you actually doing some rhythm game. Unlike first gen HH where you do slow ass attacks and have to wait a whole 2 second to get a note.
gen and world hh was fucking awesome but they decided to add small multihit attacks to both hammer and hunting horn
I WANT TO DO SLOW BIG HITS THAT KNOCK THE MONSTER DOWN
bring back recitals
>worldborne hh
god how do they manage to take such a fantastic weapon and decide to kill it.
i didnt play iceborne, what did they do with it? i know i saw a spin move among the new attacks
>big boom explosions you can perform in a row
>the spin
>placing buff bubbles on the ground people can run over to pick up
it was so good man
I've always found lances cool as hell
is it a good solo weapon in 2nd/3rd/4th gen?
guard lance and evade lance are good in 4U as far as I remember
very defensive whether you go for blocking shit or evade lancing, id say it does decent damage in all of those gens, not super strong but not super weak either. outside of tri anyways, shits busted in tri but also feels the best
Lance was strong but clunky as shit in FU, in 3U Lance got counters and guard dashes, it stayed pretty much the same in 4U and world in rise they included leaping thrust and charged sweep attacks.
GU lance has weird ass moves depending on the style you use, some of those moves return in rise as switch skills.
Lance is all about constant attacks to the monster without holding back, to do this you simply block the monster's bullshit and keep attacking while the monster flail autistically, guard and offensive guard are you go to armor skills and at least 1 level on guard up depending on what you are hunting, maybe 2 levels in constitution too for good measure, the rest can be all attack skills.
guard dash > regular block > counter, always do the diagonal pokes, they are stronger, you are caped at 3 consecutive actions, to reset your pokes after doing 3 of them simply side step, guard dash or counter then let go, this will allow you to keep attacking, see what the monster is doing and decide the best way to reset your pokes in order to keep the offensive.
Solo is fun and you should probably start with that instead of bothering strangers, but if you're playing with friends then why not?
Multiplayer in the older games was usually better, especially better than how they fucked it up in MHW making it shitty MMO-tier
I feel like im the only person that is not willing to play coop MH, it makes the game way too easy.
Is the pokemon monster hunter game fun
Ehh kind of
frontier is chud shit that no one fucking played and even the cracked one with local server is unplayable shit
They are alright, the combat is a as simple as it gets but the monster designs are good and you can craft weapons and armors from the monsters you kill.
If your concern is to play an old game for too long cause its more difficult than the new versions then no, it's not worth it.
Yes, you can solo even the most difficult hunts, but it you are new in this it will take time, a lot of time.
Do youself a favour and play world/iceborne, and if that its still too difficult for you then go for rise/sunbreak.
>bro mh is pure skill
>except you have to rng the food skills and grind constantly
:^)
Listen I don't know whether you've played this shit or not, but if you need food skills to win you're a fucking loser.
Even shit like Foodie becomes useless when mega potions become extremely useful to obtain in the newer games.
The point is there's no skill based elements, it's RNG and grinding
Oh yeah just stand there on the first area and there's 20% you win complete the quest or 80% chance i bash your fucking skull to the ground you fucking retarded autist
>point out the awful grinding and rng of the mechanics
>get called an autist
yes how dare I notice things
>rng food skills
??? you literally dont need this shit, the main reason you eat is for hp/stamina and attack up
>grind constantly
have you played these games? at MOST you'll grind 2 armor sets for each rank but you can honestly get away with just 1 armor set for each rank. i guess the weapons if you use alot of different types or if you use sns/db and need to make multiple of them for elements. or are you talking about endgame shit like relics, anomalies, decos, etc? in which case thats just dumb, of course the endgame is gonna be grindy. this isnt even considering world/rise where grinding is essentially non existent.
even with alot of grinding g rank in these games is still gonna be pretty difficult, at least for FU, 3U and 4U. not to mention the endgame shit like 140s, super events, EX deviants, etc doesnt give a shit what food skills you have or how meta your set is, youre gonna get your shit pushed in
>??? you literally dont need this shit
But I want to play sns style bombing consistently
>wtf you don't need skills to activate
>there's no grinding until you have to grind
:^)
Stop replying to bait.
lol
Beat this guy with my sword that bounces.
Holy crap, good thing spirit mode increases sharpness.
That said, spent most of the time bouncing.
There is a version of Basarios that isnt shit apart from the one in MH4U G Rank?
Rise basarios is fine.
>Rise basarios is fine.
It absolutely is
>doesn't just spam charges 24/7
>heats it's body so that you can kill it faster
Is fine.
no, I have no idea why they insist on bringing back so much trash from gen 1/2. Bringing yians, khezu, or basarios/gravios over qurupeco/gigginox/urugaan should be a crime
nargacuga can stay though
>don't bring back the best monsters
bring back every monster
especially the best: plesioth
GU got it right, but its only problem was not having more
>bring back every monster
oh boy I sure do love the first 3 tiers of each rank being worthless filler
Don't you dare insult Nibelsnarf like that
>NOOOOOO HUNTING MONSTERS IN MONSTER HUNTER? WTF IS THIS FILLER
dilate, chudychud
>6 braindead drome fights in a row? oh boy I love the older games!
FU nostalgia is a tumor on this series that needs to be excised
Key quests exist so you don't have to fight every single one
they would still rear their ugly heads on materials
Then make something else every game has lots of options
>dude just ignore like 1/3 of equipment it's totally worth including trash monsters no one wants to fight, muh content!
>dude just ignore like 1/3 of equipment
Yes most people do this because most equipment isn't really worth using
>it's totally worth including trash monsters no one wants to fight
Again, key quests exist for a reason
Nobody is making you actually play the game anon
>6 braindead drome fights in a row? oh boy I love the older games!
yes
A Basarios you fight with a gun
that type of brute forcing hunts with a weapon that clearly is working out is why so many people think that the old games are way harder, a hunt that shouldn't have taken more than 6 minutes took you 20+
Hah, yeah. Had no idea he was covered in stone.
Guess I'll take a pickaxe next time jej.
But really, is there an item that increases max sharpness? Or is there a weapon I can make that has next level sharpness when I am on L4 Village quests?
Basarios didn't drop anything that turns into a sharper LS. Maybe the Monblos quest?
shogun ceanataur set should have sharpness+1 on it
Gunlance fucks him up real good, and as that other guy said, any bowgun with pierce or water ammon or a water bow kills him without any problem, im starting to believe that most people just make 1 weapon and stick with it for as long as humanly possible, use the right tool for the job
Also if you really can't be bothered by farming for another weapon just make large barrel bombs+ and bring materials to craft more in the field, the old lady sell all the ingredients juts check her stock after every quest
Nah, doing LS only.
Then you have lost your "calling FU hard" privileges. Any hardships that you face from now on are just the product of your dumb decisions
since when is LS in FU considered top tier
Not as in "LS is easy mode" but as in "sticking with a single weapon is dumb and you are going to face frustrating situations that could be avoided if you used the right tool"
Yeah but then you'd have numbers in a column other than the LS column.
Then your opinion about the difficulty of this game is invalid, don't come crying when you get to double G rank black diablos and the fatties, it's not impossible but you are only making way harder than how it should be
You sound boring and gay.
Minmaxers are a blight on gaming in all forms.
bet you're a WAACfag too.
I don't even know that the fuck is a waac I'm just tired of people never shutting up about the difficulty of the old games. muh plesioth, muh khezu, rajang etc they are all easy if you use the right weapon and people think they are hard because they struggled using a weapon that has a horrible matchup against them. I was one of them too, started with FU got my shit kicked really hard and then came back after having played the newer games and realized that the game wasn't hard and i was just an idiot
You still sound boring and gay.
Leave immediately.
>double G rank black diablos
t. earpluglet
LS isn't gonna have many issues
Basarios is just a shitmon and building a whole different set to fight an early monster you probably don't need to farm for anything is kinda overkill
early game, using spirit charge is kind of the best way to deal with basarios quests tho. otherwise u have to use bow/gun or farm up shit for an esp set.
What's an ESP set? (presumably a set that grants the ESP ability)
What's ESP?
not sure if its ESP, but its a skill that makes you not bounce. still isn't really worth since u lose sharpness so fast your damage falls off either way.
It's really not worth it, unless you do every single training quest with every single weapon because that gets you a head piece that gives you the 10 points that you need for that skill
You can hide behind those white rocks and get it to charge you. Then run away and watch the rock explode in its face.
Yeah, did that, but it didn't appear to do anything. At the very least, it didn't make him any softer.
this is why I roll with a switch axe in the beginning
>fighting a basarios with iron katana
>only used 3 whetstones
Now excuse me for bowgunning too much but how the fuck did you not end up using more when you bounce off that much?
Also, love these threads lad, I like seeing your screenshots as you progress through the game. You make me want to pick it up again and carry off from where I left off at G2
>iron katana
It's Eager Cleaver. I managed to get full spirit guage a couple times and went ham on his belly. I spent a lot of time bouncing while charging spirit.
Plus he ran into a few of the bomb rocks, so I dunno how much damage those did. He wasn't a very big boy either.
>Eager Cleaver
Holy fuck that brings me back to "the good ol' days" when it was a Great Sword. Good weapon.
Why the fuck do they make switch axe so easy? Positioning doesn't fucking matter lmao
>he replies to bait
I played through all of freedom 1, freedom unite, tri, portable 3rd, 3 ultimate, and 4 ultimate solo. Multiplayer robs the game of satisfaction.
I played all of FU solo and it was only fatty that gave me serious trouble.
4U has Gogmazios which is very difficult to solo.
I always felt Gog just had too much health, I could match the timing of all his moves and still almost time out because he's just that bulky
I think the only sets that can solo gog have Adrenaline.
huh? i dont remember it being that bad unless youre talking about the event version
That couldn't be since I soloed event Gog with the Shagaru Magala SnS. I think it's just people that aren't utilizing the dragonator and cannon and shit.
Maybe that's where my memories stem but I don't know and I don't really wanna dust off my old file to see
>does not having multiplayer ruin the real experience?
Haven't tried FU yet but village is still fun, guild hall solo will be annoying and you'll want to research metashit on the internet before attempting it.
i couldnt do fatty solo, and there was a double g-rank black diablos that i needed a friends help with, otherwise i managed to slog it through solo. i can still remember the village theme if i think about it
some of the best memories i have playing mon hun were meeting up with my friend at his place, just hanging out and playing mhfu. we wound up becoming best friends, and I was even a best man at his wedding. seems like ages ago now
Anything before 3U is not worth playing, period
It's the little moments online that make it worth playing.
What is this easy mode shit? Kirin is barely attacking
Welcome to every game after Tri
They bent the knee to casuals
>implying Tri wasn't baby mode
>worldsperm has an opinion
>tri-baby still crying
Dos was the best game, fucking kneel
Yeah G rank version does multiple streams of lightning
Probably highrank or something, G Kirin is annoying as hell
Doing all the low rank capture quests gets a LR Kirin fight in World
HR Kirin
I hate how they amp up the get out of jail free card in Rise, even the stun on hunter got nerfed in it.
Used to had fun in MP just to safe noobs from their fuck up with hammer swing, can't do it anymore in Rise.
portable game is gonna do portable things, which is just make the game faster.
Yeah, but Rise is Toukiden fast it almost feels like a different game.
The stun is literally FAR less forgiving than the stun in the older games. It's only nerfed compared to World, because the only way you were ever gonna get hit more than once in that game was if the game literally took control away from you for 3 hours lmfao.
Eh? if you compare to world your buddy literally useless in it.
Rise buddy AI completely babysit you for every fuck you done.
I don't remember getting stunned in Rise ever make me end up in a cart.
That's exactly what I said, though. It's only nerfed compared to World. Stun in the older games was extremely forgiving.
Solo is fine until you unlock the Fatalis trio and need multiple hunts just to kill them a single time. That shit is disgustingly unfun
how the fuck do you deal with g rank kirin in FU? this shit is aids and im not good enough to snipe with greatsword
Pellets, Yama HBG shreds it
Kirin doesn't deserve to have a fair fight
Just don't use Hunting Horn pre-portable 3rd. It's anti-fun solo and only viable with corner buffing. Apparently Frontier never changed the way it plays but it's an online game anyway
I've been trying to get into high rank but mr. crabs just has too much hp. I've been using a pierce bow to try and hit his head and inner weakpoint but it's not enough. I usually get two dragonator attacks in. I don't want to spend all my zenny on gear I'll only use for him but is that how it goes? Do i need to make specific sets for specific monsters in FU?
what? are you timing out or is he destroying the base? also bow or bowgun? cause bow is ass and wont reach his shell/weakpoint when hes standing up while bowgun will, also bowgun does significantly more damage
He kills the town usually, and just bow, not bowgun
I'm using Blue Blade Bow 1 that shoots pierce 3 at charge level 4 with focus as active skill. I eat attack up if I can. Haven't tried demon drugs though, don't know why I never thought of it
Bowgun is vastly easier to perforate ol Shenny
The Gravios one is the best for pierce if I remember right
Thanks for the recommendations. I'll look into bowguns instead but should I just stack attack up on my armor or is it better to go for some other skills? I have next to no experience with bowguns.
Attack up is a safe bet for pretty much every weapon all the way up to the end of high rank, once you get to G rank the damage bonus isn't that relevant anymore and you should turn your eyes to crit/sharpness skills, for bowguns there's a really broken skill that makes it so that you don't have to reload but it's a little hard to get
You can be hardcore and do fortify if you think you can risk it
If you just want to destroy shen gaoren any pierce shot bowgun with ceanataur armor will destroy him. When looking into bowguns, the basic thing you usually want to do is find a bowgun that excels at a particular shot type through a combination of raw and clip size, and get the related ammo up skill (Normal/Pierce/PelletS up and NOT plus) which is a fat 10% (30% in the case of pellet) damage boost.
I'm going to assume that you can't upgrade it any further. I can't really help you much. I think that piece shots should have enough range to deal good damage even if it's standing and i hope that you are keeping your distance when he is crouching because pierce losses damage at close range. You definitely want to use a mega demon drugs, squeeze some mighty seeds every once in a while. Bring mega juices they are crucial to bows to keep up that deepz, if you really can't do it then switching to a HBG with pierce shot 2-3 should do it
What bow? What is it's shot type? Are you bringing mega juices, mega demon drugs, power coating and martials for more? Are you eating for attack up? What are your active skills?
between FU and P3rd what should I focus on?
p3rd is pretty short if you want to do that first
neither, 3U
>locked charm tables
>swimming
>less total monsters than mhfu
fuck off
>locked charm tables
only on start up, no longer tied to account
>swimming
based
>less total monsters than mhfu
with less dogshit monsters, overall more good ones
no one thinks you're cool for being a contrarian. capcom got rid of swimming because it fucking sucked
swimming should have been improved instead of replacing it with cancer mounting
monster hunter fans don't like things being reworked only removed.
explain how you would improve swimming. even if you make movement and attacking less sluggish, the core problem of verticality making it insufferable to fight monsters who constantly ruin your positioning by going up and down. it's just more shit you have to take into consideration and it's not a fun challenge
quicker vertical dashing with less recovery, give the weapons that needed more fleshed out water moveset improvements, get rid of the oxygen mechanic, alter bow/bowgun shots to be slower but do more damage to compensate
even with quicker vertical dashing it's still annoying, it's a gimmick that feels arbitrary when the much much better ground combat exists. like think about it, why have swimming combat when ground combat exists which does not have any of the issues that swimming combat has? applying occam's razor to so many video games would make their gameplay instantly better
I can think of a few reasons: 1. different approach to weak points 2. altered combat 3. taking vertical space into consideration 4. altered movement (no supermanning in particular changes how you approach dangerous moves)
>quicker vertical dashing it's still annoying
not as bad as the mounting shit that replaced it after
and by altered combat I mean altered movesets
if you want altered combat just use a different weapon lmao. there hasn't been a single vertical gameplay element that has made monster hunter's gameplay any better, mhfu and mhp3rd are the pinnacle of the game series.
>just walks on the bottom of the ocean while keeping all speed and attacks
that doesn't make sense since that's now how water works. at that point why not just walk on water or remove water combat altogether
>if you want altered combat just use a different weapon lmao
or I can use the same weapon that uses the same core design philosophy in a new way
>there hasn't been a single vertical gameplay element that has made monster hunter's gameplay any better,
which is why I wanted swimming improved instead of traded out
>mhfu
half the roster is dogshit and honestly that's being generous
>mhp3rd
3U but with less good content and shittier maps, swell
>or I can use the same weapon that uses the same core design philosophy in a new way
then just add new weapon styles like in mhgu but not batshit crazy. no need for swimming combat for that
>which is why I wanted swimming improve
again, it was much simpler to remove swimming than to improve it, especially when it has fundamental flaws in it which no amount of improving can fix.
>half the roster is dogshit
>mhp3rd is 3U but with less good content
that's a contradiction but ok
>then just add new weapon styles like in mhgu but not batshit crazy. no need for swimming combat for that
not the same, the movesets alter mid battle depending on the terrain
>again, it was much simpler to remove swimming than to improve it
sure it was simpler but it wasn't better, especially when what replaced it was worse anyway
>that's a contradiction but ok
how?
>the movesets alter mid battle depending on the terrain
so just switch you movesets on the fly no matter where you are? again the simpler route is obvious and you're autistically defending something that virtually everyone agreed was dogshit
>it was simpler but it wasn't better
yes it was better lol
>how [is that a contradiction]?
you're saying that by removing half the roster of mhfu then it's better this way, but mh3u just has unnescessary filler monsters that mhp3rd doesn't have. by your logic mhp3rd is the better game but you're SO zealous about swimming combat that you have to go for the objectively worse game. touch grass, or should i say have a swim?
>so just switch you movesets on the fly no matter where you are?
doesn't work, just look at rise you almost always use one of the two sets
>yes it was better lol
mounting shit was fucking cancer and culminated in the atrocity known as clutch claw in IB
>you're saying that by removing half the roster of mhfu then it's better this way
I think they should have not made shit monsters to begin with and that content could have had better monsters
>mh3u just has unnescessary filler monsters that mhp3rd doesn't have
stygian zinogre, plesioth without the waiting period in FU, lucient narga, bracydios are all good, the only bad addition is dire mirales who replaced amatsu (a mediocre ED)
>doesn't work, just look at rise you almost always use one of the two sets
i fucking WISH, LS actually feels like ass to play unless you are constantly switching to have access to sakura slash and helmbreaker
>LS actually feels like ass to play unless you are constantly switching to have access to sakura slash and helmbreaker
no? LS is my most used weapon in rise and I stick with sacred sheath + sakura slash. Then again I am a former GSfag massively butthurt at TCS for ruining GS and do this because it's the closest thing that recreates the feeling of pre world GS
i'm prob just a butthurt ls fag because it really feels like in rise at least, getting time to get your spirit combo off in full feels so short now and i kinda hate how counter reliant the weapon is now to get levels. even in world it wasn't this bad.
>butthurt at TCS for ruining GS
>he thinks the greatest part is GS ruined GS
Yea... you sound like an LS fag alright
>>he thinks the greatest part is GS ruined GS
Worldsperm detected.
you fags need to stop arguging, whether it's crit draw, headsniping or TCS it will always be cool, but nothing is as gay tier as giving GS a parry.
The issue is that the sniping GS playstyle has been completely neutered, so people who were a fan of that don't have anywhere to go to. And yes, the tackle was a mistake :^)
then you should be blaming GU because i liked just doing my silly little spirit combo on LS and then valor happened, and now we have rise.
but while Valor LS laid the foundations for the counter-spam based LS, Valor GS was the peak of the headsniping playstyle, so how can I blame it for the GS changes
i didn't say mounting shit was better, i even specified that all verticality is garbage. resorting to putting words in other people's mouths for arguments won't make anyone want to debate with you
Serious question, what's so special about the 3rd gen counterparts of gen 2 monsters? Gigi does the same shit khezu does except that he also back dashes like a retard and jumps all over the fucking place, at least kezhu stands stills
every 3rd gen monster that's based off the previous gens concept is an improvement. quru is better than yian, gigi is better than khezu, agi are better than dromes, urugaan is better than gravios/basarios, etc. Only exception is narga who is equal to barioth
>Gigi does the same shit khezu does except that he also back dashes like a retard and jumps all over the fucking place
khezu's entire shtick is barely moving and shitting out lightning around him, very unengaging
>very unengaging
quantify this
you said it yourself, he stands still, and when you start attacking him he does the AoE shock around him so you back off, wait for him to do one of his easy as shit attacks to dodge, go in and repeat. Boring. Gigginox is a lot more dynamic
Gigi does the same shit but instead of doing a tail spin 6 times in a row he jumps all over the room 6 times in a row
>gigi does the same shit
his moveset is clearly more involved
they fucked up the core elements of some of the weapons, I didn't use LS much in the past but what you explained sounds about right
mixed up the points but I hold by my belief, improved swimming would be better than just removing it. I mean fuck MHP3rd is living proof
>MHP3rd is living proof
of what? there's no swimming in that game and it's a far better and consistent experience than mh3u
>removal of lagi
>incomplete royal ludroth
>worse maps
>removal of gobul
nope, only thing it did good was get rid of ceadeus
>those few removals are supposed to be worse than swimming combat and locked charm tables and little to no end game content
lmao'ing @ your pathetic coping mechanisms
>those few removals are supposed to be worse than swimming combat
yes because those mosnters were the ones you fought in water and are good additions
>locked charm tables
irrelevant, not present in 3u either
>little to no end game content
obvious it's going to have more end game content, it's an expansion of 3 (and not a good one because it removes content). 3U has more end game content than p3rd and didn't remove aspects aside from amatsu
you have autism. even if you somehow proved that swimming combat could be good, everyone unanimously agrees that it's removal was for the better. but then again i don't know many melee combat games that are good underwater... in fact i know none. weird huh
The issue is that p3rd is built on top of a game designed with water so you get botched monsters and maps as a result of its removal, 3U is considered better than p3rd so you're still wrong regardless
>so you get botched monsters and maps
works on my machine, seems like you have a bias buddy
>3U is considered better than p3rd
i don't speak japanese and neither do you, so how would any of us know what's considered better when mhp3rd was an exclusive japanese release? please do yourself a favor and stop posting and embarassing yourself for all the lurkers itt to see
>emulation doesn't exist
pull up a statistic of how many few dozens of thousands of non-japanese people played mhp3rd and then pull up a statistic of those people's preference between mh3u and mhp3rd. good fucking luck lol
do tendies fucking REALLY
3U is p3rd with more content and better controls (wiiu version), it's not rocket science. The anti swimming autism you hold isn't present strong enough for people to prefer the game that doesn't have brachydios or lagi
>what are english patches
Do you know what series you're talking about? Japanese language barrier has never been an issue
>throwing an autistic tantrum this hard
mh3u isn't even relevant anymore, and it's only brought up on Ganker when other better monster hunter games are talked about. seethe and cope loser
>simply mention emulation exists
>this is considered an autistic tantrum
bruh you're the one holding onto and desperately trying to defend an archaic game mechanic that everyone agreed was shit and therefore rightfully removed. have you ever heard of triathlons? you'd love em
>bruh
Stopped reading right there
no one has taken you seriously ever since your first posts and no amount of samefagging will make up for your sheer lolcow levels of autism
>3U isn't relevant
neither is P3rd
That's just entirely subjective, i prefer all gen 2 versions special kulu over peco, he looks stupid, has retard looking haha funny chicken dances that I'm sure some people love but i absolutely despise
>that doesn't make sense since that's now how water works
iron boots in legend of zelda? yeah link moves slower but just make it so hunters move the same speed, who cares. theyre in armor that weighs a ton anyways if we wanna talk about realism.
make it so the hunter just walks on the bottom of the ocean while keeping all speed and attacks, literally no difference from being on land. underwater monsters will sometimes swim above you similarly to how flying monsters will fly above you but the underwater monsters will be closer so you can still hit them. there i fixed it, now you can make cool unique underwater monsters without the retarded swimming. yes its a lazy fix but it works
Don't gimp half the weapons movesets underwater
Free directional swimming with your weapon sheathed
Obligatory grappling gimmick
>locked charm tables
this literally doesnt matter unless you plan on pouring thousands of hours into the game and as long as you dont land on a cursed one youre fine.
>swimming
it sucks but only like 10% of the monsters have you go underwater and most of them start on land anyways
>less total monsters than mhfu
listen i love FU but its bloated with gen 2 dogshit like dromes, EDs, and useless variants like monoblos.
I'm stuck on Heat Exhaustion, that and RNG charm tables
Older MH games value positioning and timing a lot more.
Later entries have added ways for players to cope not being able to position for the perfect strike
>played rise demo
>le wacky anime voices
aaaaand dropped. this along with the endless casual catering did it for me. shame since ive been playing since MHP.
Just change it to the Monster Hunter language
You can turn them off in game I'm pretty sure, also you can change the language
I hate it too
they have it to sell dlc it's so fucking dogshit lmao
Bugger - in the last thread we were talking about intuition on capturing. I second guessed my gut and ended up killing him. I even had my trap selected and was gonna put it down, but I didn't see any bubbles in his mouth.
This got crazy at the end with all the Ioprey (or whatever they're called).
Try listening to the sound next time - there's a very distinct frothing sound accompanying the visual effects. The effect itself is a bitch to see on ceanataur because it blends way too well with its skin
>tfw no monhun on ps vita
Pretty sure anons here play FU on Vita.
I decided I'd have to get one because they said you can use the right stick for camera control.
Monster Hunter Frontier
Monster Hunter World (streaming from PS4)
I have 600 hours in World and Rise and I've never played multiplayer except for Kulve Taroth and Behemoth
>xcept for Kulve Taroth and Behemoth
You didn't beat the game.
3DS or citra for 3u?
well you guys said FU was great so I'll pick it up
>UGH you won't GET it bro the SOUL is gone... you had to be there...
uh OK I'll play World then?
>world is shit play REAL MH like FU
play both fu AND world they are very fun.
Just play whatever man we're not your dad
>the SOUL is gone
I haven't seen anyone say FU lacks soul.
Just try them both.
Worst case scenario, you don't like them and you don't play them either again.
>UGH you won't GET it bro the SOUL is gone... you had to be there...
Says fucking who? Most people played mhfu offline as you could only play it local adhoc or hook it up to a ps3 for actual online play.
>>UGH you won't GET it bro the SOUL is gone... you had to be there...
literally no one has ever said that ever you fucking retard now download PPSSPP and if you want multiplayer join whatever p2p network exists nowadays
Reminder if you call monsters filler or use the term shitmon you are soulless and probably unironically play blue storm
I've come to the realization that Tigrex is actually really fun monster. The frustration is the Snowy fucking Mountains. What an absolute garbage Hunting Ground, FU has the added benefit of having the shit PvP theme play as the area music as well
Best angry retard mon.
Started FU, gunlance is the coolest fucking weapon but how the hell do I play it
You start by not using your shells once you get to high rank because they start doing shit for damage
Oh cool, an entire weapon is rendered obsolete. Epic skill based gameplay guys.
just skip FU it's not worth it. Anything good about that game exists among 3U/4U/GU and is better, the gamer cred isn't worth it
You can still use the lance part, it has a better moveset than the real lance imo
The advancing poke is really good but Shelling is awful. The only monsters you will ever Shell in Gen 1 and 2 are White and Crimson Fatalis
Don't go back further than the 3rd Generation
>entire weapon
The rest of the moveset is good and shells still have their use.
>is better
The other games started to shift focus away from the simple and predictable monsters and hunters with heavy commitment attacks for something else. FU is still peak old MonHun, 3U and 4U are inbetween and from GU onwards it has become another thing entirely.
the lance part of gunlance is actually fun to use
Incorrect. You use WF and shells to extend combos when you get to white sharpness, or you go full Pop Corn set with Gunnery Master.
you don't, gunlance is awful in most MH games and FU is no exception
You should, for extra comfy and climbing your way to become the real MonHun Nikki!!
Play MHGU. It's better in every way.
Anyone got an ISO for 3U? The one on ziperto needs you to wait an hour between parts
This thread sucks.
Is it always so "muh console is better"?
yes, as much as i like world it brought on so many people that just want to console war all the time.
>Is it always so "muh console is better"?
no because the worst part about the best games in the series (3U/4U/GU) are the dogshit systems they were designed for (3U is a ported 3ds game for wiiu). The cruel irony is that when MH was finally on non-shit consoles, the games got worse (the switch is shit too actually but whatever)
>no
oka...
>best games in the series (3U/4U/GU) are the dogshit systems
proceeds to do the thing he just said doesn't normally happen
well I'm praising the games on shit consoles so I don't think that was what your original post alluded to
where's the parody? world and lesso rise are designed for less shitty consoles but the games themselves are worse
You literally were console warring after answering "no" to the question "is it always so console war".
If I was console warring after praising 3U/4U/GU I would be sucking the 3DS's dick or calling PS4/xbox shit which I'm clearly not
this has to be a parody post lmao holy fuck
>REEEEEEEEE [Insert game here] IS SHIT
>REEEEEEEEE MH DIED AFTER [Insert game here]
>REEEEEEEEE NINTENDIE/SNOY
Basically sums up the average thread
As
said, we had our ONE good MH thread for the year before.
Sorry you missed it. It was actually great.
The rest of the MH threads this year WILL be shit up by people arguing about what version is the best and which weaepons are shit.
What weapons did you guys use for the Lavsioth?
Gotten pretty close with lance, but I can't i-frame to save my life.
Also any tips for mitigating the damage from G-Rank Crabs?
I never go into any monster fight with the mentality of "I need to use X weapon because it's better for Y monster" I just use what I feel like, only exception is if the monster resists the element/status of the weapon and I may be more inclined to use its elemental weakness but as far as the actual weapon type I don't care
My experience with LS against him was great. I'm fairly sure LS and GS do great against him, but it's really a matter of immediately reacting to when he jumps up and does the weird fish flop afterwards.
just started world as my first mh game and man the art style is kinda ugly. Especially most armors, and it apparently i can't transmog till i beat both the base game and the DLC. Doesn't help that both world and rise run on REengine with it's washed out colors.
wish they'd make a modern mh game with 4U artstyle. Looks so pretty and comfy. Should probably play that instead, but idk about buying a 3ds or emulating and trying to endure performance/blurry cutscenes
World isnt MH
4u is waaaaaaaaay too fucking saturated, i actually like how world looks, but i think 3U has the best balance.
world isn't on RE engine, world isn't very good either. Iceborne would have been good but they sabotaged it with clutch claw tenderizing bullshit
Rise has a much better art style.
hell no, the RE engine look is so gross.
It does look better than world, but is still far behind older entries with their charming, more cartoony look
>but is still far behind older entries with their charming, more cartoony look
that is literally like, mainly 4th gen. charming? yeah but definitely not cartoony.
The best thing about emulating Untie on PPSSPP is that you can use networking to play Multiplayer
My bros never managed to beat Tigrex, maximum casual hours
What's crazy is you can emulate the HD PS3 version of p3rd
So how do I know if I have a shit charm table? If I have a shit one should I restart? I've almost finished the 5 star village quests in 3U
You go mine some charms, then compare which table they fall at.
I think there is mod for 3ds version that rerolls your charm table on game reset, like P3rd.
http://www.mediafire.com/download/9cb93ynz428o56t/Athena%27s+FishFinder+v0.3b.rar
send out the fish people to the first option (moga shores iirc) and record your results, it'll tell you what charm table youre on. also dont add anything, just default moga shores
oo sonarumono
Have I genuinely almost finished 3U? I can't play online and I've got to do the last set of village quests.
>3U on citra, can't get cutscenes to run well
>3U on cemu, no online quests
>4U stuck on 3ds/citra
Goddamit.
4U worked flawlessly for me at least
>cemu dlc
https://www.reddit.com/r/CemuPiracy/comments/7f80cx/mh3u_how_to_activate_dlc_quests_guide/
bring back the cockatrice
>cemu runs 60fps on my shittop vivbook 15
wtf bros it's fucking monster time
>is monster fucking time
Anon no!
anon yes!
You won't be able to access gathering hall quests.
Should I even bother then if I can't access them?
dont listen to him, i have no idea what hes talking about. maybe hes thinking of tri but private servers for that happened awhile ago so idk. you can access everything 3U has to offer on cemu, just no online
please GOD anons tell me cemu has multiplayer
it dont
NOOOOOOOOO
Should I genuinely buy a wii u for 3U multiplayer?
Citra can do it with the 3ds version of 3U
Combo GS.
Coordinating with all the story quests in world was a pain, I'd rather play solo until endgame.
Before I start this game for the 3rd time, how much am I really missing without online in 3U?
Not a damn thing. It's not like Tri where you missed half the game.
Well doesn't matter, for some reason I can run cemu fine but not citra
DO KANGS REALLY
https://www.reddit.com/r/MonsterHunter/comments/11maxkv/my_hunter_vs_me/
Even if you don't want to not play multiplayer it's worth doing at lease 3u or tri to see what underwater was like
You did beat Twin Terrors without flash and smoke bombs, right Anon? You aren't a casual, are you?
I was going to say "this better not be a bow or db proof", but alas, I clicked on the picture.
>db
huh? regardless i cant imagine doing that quest with anything other than bow if you plan on going the autistic route with no smoke bombs
try sns, is fun and not too frustrating
I think you could also do it hit 'n run with the GS but it would take a lot of time and the margin of error is too slim for this quest.
turn off that ugly postprocess upscaling shader bruv
The textures are too low res without it, and I'm not installing a soulless HD texture pack.
That filter sucks for 4th and 5th gen games but works well for PSP games.
I've done it with DB, Bow, GS and LS. With GS and LS, you just hit them in the face and roll under them.
Fun fact - It's actually possible to walk between Rajang's punches form the front with your GS drawn. That's right, WALK.
Did you use flashbombs and smokebombs? Did you have evasion skills?
I tried it with the bow without evasion and it was hard as fuck. I caved in and built a set with Evade+2.
No, I used full Fatalis. It's easy, you hit them in the face, you roll forward, you put your weapon away, and you don't ucking attack unless the other one is not about the rape your ass with a projectile or jump. No items either, I instead used farcasters to sharpen and heal, because you instantly die if you try that in the arena.
I found it hard because sometimes they could do some bullshit attack combination that makes it very hard to avoid. Same for the zigzag jump at medium to far range.
>farcasters
That's a given. Even with fast sharpen it would still be suicide.
That's why it's the hardest quest in the game and one of the hardest in the franchise. However, you have 50 minutes and they generally die after 25 minutes of gruesome torture, so take your time, don't take any chances and you can do it. Drop the Iceborne mindset of "oh, I didn't hit the weakest spot with my strongest attack for 10 seconds, guess I'd better restart the quest so I don't time out", they always die when you outlast them. Always.
MH3U cemu online when
Apparently its coming
source
Some guy on reddit with 1 upvote 4 months ago said its being worked on
never because 3U had a unique thing with its online where its different from most if not all other wii u games. you can play wii u games online on cemu if you rip some shit from an actual wii u but it doesnt work with 3U afaik, best case scenario is we get a remaster/port
>remaster/port
Won't ever happen. Capcom is too scared to have MonHun compete with itself.
from a business standpoint why would it matter? its not like if they release an HD collection a few months after sunbreak is officially done its gonna cause rise/sunbreak or even MH6 sales to fall. what the fuck would they lose out on? it cant be server shit because servers for 3U are still up, playerbase? again though why would they give a shit about playerbase from a business standpoint. a cheap port/remaster of FU, 3U, and 4U would easily sell over a million copies.
Shrieking Legiana
Fuckin YEEEEESSSSSS
I got this fuckin dragons NUMBER eat shit!
Hands are sweaty and shaky - adrenaline is a hell of a drug - holy shit.
Fuck yes.
Kinda ccool that damage stays on the monster between areas. Is that the only one I get to fight? Seems like it was a "character" monster or something. Or will there be more of them? Fun fight.
He (she?) fuckin ripped me in the snow area, but I guess I get the last laugh, eh?
Elder dragons transfer damage between 'rounds'. They heal between them as well. There are more of kind.
There are skills that can help you deal with their auras. Status effects and breaking head works well too
My friends claim to be such monster Hunter fanatics but they never want to play arena like they just want to spout off all this random knowledge about the monsters they have but they don't want to actually play the fucking game
They peer pressure me to buy rise and sun break and then they don't even get to the sunbreak content I'm stuck playing it by myself or with randoms
LMFAO
>Friends peer pressure you into buying a mp game.
>Then they don't play with you.
Iktf.
>wanting to play solo when you farming for materials
For what purpose?
I hate myself.
rip minegarde
I slogged through guild hall in multiple different games solo and it was painful sometimes