Should "Mad" characters that turn out to be actually "correct" be high Wis or high Int?

Should "Mad" characters that turn out to be actually "correct" be high Wis or high Int?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wis

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    int is booksmarts wis is streetsmarts, decide accordingly.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Necronomicon is a book, soooo…

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Google the following:
    "Wisdom define"
    "Intelligence define"
    Read the top results on both searches. Use this information to come to a conclusion.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Neither result mentions “Madness”

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        madness and drift off of society should ideally, for atmosphere, and for realism, be mostly disconnected from both of these stats.
        The only thing connecting your character to these stats is the "is right" part. How were they right? If they had knowledge and wisdom, it's wisdom. If they were intelligent beyond belief, it's intelligence.
        From psychology, a science that I learn as part of my degree, I know that intelligence, even if only slightly, protects from isolation and madness (this is a statistical average effect, and mustn't perfectly reflect your situation, my morbidly obese reader). Do with that information whatever you wish.

        >hurr durr which of the two stats makes you insane?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          But that’s not what OP is asking, the guy in question is by definition not insane

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    high int, low wis

    they are capable of piecing together a truth beyond their capacity to understand or integrate into their lives effectively

    smart enough to see the problem, but not wise enough to figure out what to do about it

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Wouldn’t a wise cultist give into the madness early, as the mad character has already done?

      That seems high wis to me

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No because its fricking madness anon, if you were able to incorporate the information into your life healthily you would be insane at all

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Correct answer. If the character was right but deemed mad, it's because they doesn't know how to proper communicate or even navigate in his society.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Neither. Being correct ultimately has little to do with being intelligent or wise.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    wis is closer to 'counterintuitive knowledge', but just because they're right doesn't mean they're wise; they might just be lucky.
    being 'wise but mad' is losing or betting against all your best instincts and knowing or intuiting that this is one of those edge cases where that's actually the best outcome.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nah, int is closer to counterintuitive knowledge.
      Wis is intuition.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Logic is Int

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Cassandra was an Oracle
    Oracles are priests
    therefore wisdom

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Either Inland Empire or Shivers

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Anyone adapt DE for tabletop yet?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Everyone Is John

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    either one depending on justification.
    Wis for intrinsic internal reflection, Int for extrinsic external study.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    depends on the game man

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ah, Kos. Or some say Kosm....
    Do you hear our prayers?
    ....
    As you once did for the Vacuous Rom, grant. us. eyes. Grant. us. eyes!
    Line our brains with eyes so that we may be cured of our beastly idiocy!

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ahh, majestic!
      A hunter is a hunter, even in a dream.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Please, what the absolute frick did they mean by “Kos” and “Kosm”?

      Why two names? Are they the same thing?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The grand lake of mud, hidden from sight... The cosmos, of course!

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >OOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUU
      >OOOOOAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUU

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    assuming d&d because duh, int is an absolute meaningless stat other than "you are (supposedly) good at memorizing stuff (but not for very long)"
    wisdom is treated as actual wisdom -plus- pretty much every possible form of perception.

    So yeah, wis. d&d int is just being braindead but with some fancy shitty degrees.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Both high. Just dump cha to indicate there lack of being able to hide it.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Either one is fine, that sort of madness is the result of having knowledge that causes one to act in a way contrary to the vast majority that don't, how that particular character came by that knowledge is up to you.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Charisma actually.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You mean Perception actually

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Assuming such a character is correct because he can intuit a truth that others can't, then high Wisdom.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this is probably the best answer, given perception/investigation USUSALLY falls under wisdom in systems that work it liek that, and perception/investigation usually has to do with pattern recognition and the ability to put them into something

      that said, just look at /x/, its filled with people whos pattern recognition is FRICKED, so your results may vary

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >high WIS or INT
    "We have an organization that has been doing this for a while, and the outcomes have always been horrifying. Better press on."

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >"Mad" characters that turn out to be actually "correct"
    Bobby Fischer was high Int
    Ted Kaczynski was high Int
    Terry Davis was high Int
    are 3 examples enough to generalize from?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >high INT, high PER, low CHA
      The most dangerous combo. Pray that the majority of people like this continue to be placated by manchild fantasy gaemz and plastic toys.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Bobby Fischer was not traditionally high int. It just so happened that Chess was the one thing he wanted to do forever. Guy was terrible with money and couldn't land a 'real' job if he tried.
      The other two were high int, but Terry Davis wasn't mad because he was smart nor vice versa, something was just up with that guy, and he'd have done a lot more if he were not crazy. Or took his meds.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Making money and holding jobs is a Wis thing, not Int

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Depends on what your job is. Like running a scam is literally "I found this one trick, then I invested a lot of time into finding enough people who fall for it.", doesn't take WIS or INT.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Spending, sure, that's wis. Having the skills to work a job is quite literally int, in fact no it is *literally* **literally** int, as in RAW it is int.
          Bobby did not have many skills outside of chess. He dropped out of high school. There are good reasons to drop out of education; Gates and Zuckerberg are both massively successful and considered smarter than the average bear, and they both dropped out.
          They dropped out of Harvard. That's the 1% of the 1% smartest even get to enroll kind of school, and they dropped out because they had their hands full with the worlds most significant brand names and products each of their own, not because they weren't smart.
          Bobby was a chess prodigy. Unfortunately, chess is a very, very demanding career with no transferable skills to any other aspect of life or even other games that are considered similar, and unless you only play chess, and do so all the time, everywhere you can, constantly, you can't (or rather I should say couldn't back then) make a living off of it. Bobby dropped off of the map.

          The Int vs Wis thing is a fun conversational bit, but more often than not, bad habits are a result of early life format, and Bobby not sticking in school because he thought of himself too good for it or whatever was a Wis mistake (he was sixteen) that stifled his Int hard. And because his Int was not high, he lacked the foundations of basic knowledges to make good Wis choices thereafter, like a self fulfilling prophecy almost.

          In my ultimate honest opinion, I think the separation of things like Wisdom and Empathy from Intelligence is a mistake, though the word Intelligence holds much more power to it that merely "knowledge" or "memory" or whatever else, so it's a pass for something like a game.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Championship-level chess was, at the time, one of proxy battlefields of the Cold War. Bobby's problem was that he was unable or unwilling to capitalize on his chess success by becoming propaganda figure for the government and the success of "the American way". Which might have made him fair bit of money.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Bobby’s “problem” was his refusal to bow to the eternal israelite

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Unwilling, in my opinion. I could understand if he felt his game was being used as a tool for propaganda, at that point it's not WIS or INT but alignment.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                But it was and he knew that and still did it

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's both. High wis, high int. His head is filled with all kinds of strange truths and their even stranger applications. He simply doesn't have the social acumen to know how, when or to whom he should share this forbidden knowledge. So low cha.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >He simply doesn't have the social acumen to know how, when or to whom he should share this forbidden knowledge.
      That's wisdom.
      >So low cha.
      That's being unconvincing or otherwise not having the force of personality to get your way.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Idea's guys generally are dumb as bricks and probably on drugs.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    probably not wise to get into arcane and cosmic shit for shits and giggs, i think its more of a intellectual trait to seek out forbidden knowledge, as someone whose wise would be satisfied with their level of knowledge or decide there's better ways.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The BEST reason to get into the Arcane is for the shits and giggles

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The stat is irrelevant

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Then go to Ganker, and leave game players alone

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wisdom, if we take the Bible as a precursor. Intelligence is access to information memorization, and wisdom is understanding.
    E.g. a physician is intelligent but can be very unwise while a lawyer can be the reverse.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      …What does the Bible have to do with this? What about Eastern wisdom?

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Coming late to the thread. This is a core mechanic for one of the classes in my game about homeless drug addicts in the bay area.

    Bay Areanoids is the name. I posted the full pdf here and made it in an afternoon during a /tg game jam (as often as those seem to occur...)

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      unknown armies inspired at all? that's the first thing I thought of.

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