people wont talk to me out there like they will in the game
You can get quests from people IRL, you can go on adventures, become a drug addict, join a gang, kill people, steal vehicles, go anywhere, you can even leave the map if you sneak on a space shuttle somehow, or grind university credit to become an astronaut. Then the map is infinite.
>growing out of racks
there's ground under those rocks you stupid fucking gay. have you never seen plants grow out of a crack in the asphalt or pavement when walking by?
>rng start >the only way to even have a chance of doing good is to engage in a soulless rat race and grind non stop
Fucking dogshit game for moron trannies
>let the outside world be your elder scrolls >Encounter drunk hooligan >Bash his head in with a mace >Get a bounty, even though he attacked first WTF??? >Can't find thieves guild to get rid of bounty. this is bad! >Get attacked by Town guard (police) >Town guard shoots ypu into the leg, because he is a pussy who brings a gun to a macefight >Instead of losing some skill points, you will spend the rest of your life in jail and never find happiness again.
Bethesda kind of gave us a gift by releasing Starfield first.
I have been waiting so long for TES 6 but now I don't even care, at least they let us know ahead of time it would be awful instead of making us wait another 5 years.
Yeah same man seeing how this is more of a "wide as an ocean but deep as a puddle" situation with Starfield you know damn well their gonna do the same or most likely even worse shit with TES 6 and hell even Fallout 5.
Okay so exploration hardly means anything in the game because it's mostly barren empty planets and that have copy and paste points of interests with hardly any worthly loot there. Also this is more of me thing because no one else talks about this but Bethesda's RPG have been lacking depth since Skyrim here's an example remember in Oblivion where you chose 7 skills as major skills to increase and those will level you up so you were driven to certain playstyle wtih your perference. Where Skyrim for rid of that increasing any skill Level's you up and with Fallout in 3 and NV there were skills points assocites with skills so it gave more ways to chose what you wanted to invest in, but in 4 no skill points and perks are dumbed down like 25% damage with melee weapons with multiple ranks and less thought put into it and Starfield does that same shit. So when I say "wide as an ocean but deep as puddle" I mean it's a huge game to explore but nothing really unique or worth exploring and has a dumbed down RPG system that feels more window dressing than a main mechanic of the game also levels seems almost worthless when you get one good weapon and I've been seeing people killing mobs 10's of level higher than them with ease especially with dumb enemy and companion AI.
Bethesda kind of gave us a gift by releasing Starfield first.
I have been waiting so long for TES 6 but now I don't even care, at least they let us know ahead of time it would be awful instead of making us wait another 5 years.
>Starfield releases >its a normal bethesda jank game like literally every other bethesda game >guys, im so worried about tes 6 now...
if you dont like starfield you dont enjoy bethesda games period you poser gay zoomers. Why post about your "high hopes for TES6" when you clearly never played a TES game?
I enjoy the worlds that Bethesda creates. The problem is that it's been 12 years since Skyrim, 16 years since Oblivion. In all this time they haven't been able to fix many of the core problems with their games. They went from leading amongst many of their peers, to lagging far behind in the quality of what they output. This is not just a Ganker opinion, many reviewers and normies have wasted no time pointing out the same things.
It's disappointing more than anything, because it's their shitty Creation Engine that they love too much to drop that's causing many of the problems.
moron they release a game every couple years and they havent improved once, they infact make their open world RPGs worse every time, FO4 was in many way worse than FO3, why did you expect them to improve this time?
The world that Bethesda creates is so fucking shallow. I downloaded starfield to give it a fair shot and put in a decent amt of hours. I completed one faction questline which involves a huge conspiracy and ends with you killing the CEO of said company. A event that should change the world because it is a big fucking deal.
Nope. The world stayed the same as it was when I first started the questline.
It is so fucking dumb.
CDProjekt put out two open world games since Skyrim, both which have richer worlds and quests. It's amazing how complacent Bethesda has become. Stuck right where they were a decade ago. Really not a good look for the lead developers encouraging the backwards boomer stereotype.
bethesda studio as a whole refuse to leave their comfort zone with the creation engine
they're just a group of modders that got too popular and will be found out if they were asked to use a normal modern engine
Not only was TW3 their first open world game, they also revamped the combat system just for that game. It was ambitious, I don't think it worked well, but at least they tried.
Then they revamped fucking everything for CP2077, introduced better default gunplay than FO:4 (this isn't much of a brag), and set up an extensive stealth combat system with Quick Hacking. I haven't played Deus Ex, but I can't think of another RPG, let alone an open world that supports stealth as much as CP2077. It's definitely not balanced at all, but again, it's an ambitious attempt to do something new.
Skyrim added dual wielding and shouts. Fallout: 4 added base building.
What the fuck did Starfield introduce?
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>What the fuck did Starfield introduce?
umm sweaty, have you seen the file size and how many 3D items they got indians to scan and import??
they can't fucking innovate, only make "better grafix" and add more goddamn items to bloat the file size
Yeah I'm shocked at the amount of people who go >Starfield is such a disappointment because...
and then they list all the standard fare issues for bethesda open world RPGs. Did you expect them to reinvent the wheel in their 7th game after making 6 that have borderline identical issues and trending downwards? Did they simply never play them? Why do they even care about TESVI then? It makes no sense.
If Starfield was mostly outsourced as evidenced by its credits, surely that means the core team at Bethesda is spending the bulk of their energy on this... right?
It's going to be absolute slop since Bethesda developers refuse to learn how to program games outside of their ancient creation engine >But creation engine 2 is new
Clearly it's the same shit. Right down to the store inventories being hidden underneath the map in a chest. Absolutely pathetic
Except he's too much of a scared cunt to ever fully commit to it
So we get garbage like Starfield that's just a much smaller Fallout 4 with a bunch of half-finished garbage attached.
There is literally no point to exploring anything in starfield outside of the 4-5 main cities. There is nothing else in the game. Legitimately. It's the smallest game they've made in that sense.
The retard needs to realize you either make a full narrative, hand-crafted game like Morrowind, or you make a fully procedurally generated one like Daggerfall. Anything inbetween is just complete shit.
Daggerfall with current tech would be fucking insanely good and so fucking easy to make, too.
>independant thinker >gobbles up triple-A goyslop
You got all your opinions from e-celebs, Reddit and Twitter, don't think for a second you're fooling anyone here.
Next you'll post about "goyslop" and other things you totally didn't copy and paste into your personality from your very own authority figures and surrogate friends/community. Tool sheep
CP2077 was unironically vastly superior to everything Bethesda has done since Morrowind.
People denied this only because admitting meant admitting that Starfield would likely be bad.
Guess what? Starfield is the single worst game they've ever released out of the main line games (i.e. we're not counting Redguard, Battlespire, etc).
They're cooked. It's over.
I started playing it today. I don't like it and it's not because of blacks and gays. It's not the million menus to navigate. It's the horrible dialogue. It's like an entire game of the fallout 4 railroad faction. The writing is uncanny valley. Not quite natural. Not quite human. Bethesda has had this problem since oblivion and it gets progressively worse with every game. I just can't force myself to keep wasting time with it, but I'm glad you enjoy it.
I went in expecting to hate the dialog but am pleasantly surprised
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Elaborate anon.
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Agreed. The 'millennial writing' is largely confined to a couple characters (like Noel) for whom it makes sense to talk like that (as a mid-20s nerdy black girl) and player dialogue which you can avoid selecting.
This. It's the great zoomer ADHD filter. Note the complaints: "I can't travel faster than light speed without folding space time! There's no map in the cities!! Distant lifeless rocks don't have constant social interactions!"
>I can't travel faster than light speed without folding space time
isn't this exactly how grav drives work? >There's no map in the cities
this is a valid criticism i agree with. how does the dragonborn have gps but not far future humanity? despite its flaws it's a great game
it is but it has some fucking massive flaws that drag it even below fo4.
the level of woke is completely off the charts. is is so blatant that even i was shocked.
the universe is completely sexless and sterile. there isn't even a dress in the game. that was fine in elder scrolls but here it is just too obvioisly avoided it kills all immersion.
every single story npc is a moron or a woman. most obviousely in the ryujin story.
Todd doesn't know how to stop. Bethesda games are just going to get bigger and buggier and spread more and more thin with more and more proc gen, they don't understand that people want smaller but more focused and detailed worlds from them.
>Bethesda
If only. Every dev is doing this. Look at Rockstar and how big they're making GTA 6. Even RDR2 already suffered because they tried to make a fuckhuge map.
>Bethesda games are just going to get bigger and buggier
Starfield is their least bug release ever >and more thin with more and more proc gen
only starfield has that >they don't understand that people want smaller but more focused and detailed worlds from them.
speak for yourself cockass
Rather than dedicating resources into a half-assed space exploration system, they could have made the main quest not a bunch of fetch quests with multiverse retardation. Furthermore, by ignoring space exploration, they could’ve cut down on the amount of loading screens by confining the game into one system. Perhaps the extra time could have went into making your background more than flavor text? Or how about making the game run above 30 frames? Or how about adding choice and consequence to the quests? Or maybe they could have fixed the UI? Or maybe they could have added NPC routines?
>Or how about adding choice and consequence to the quests?
this your first modern bethesda game? why would you expect these things from them at this point? I'm convinced the majority of people here who are mad about the game have somehow managed to forget exactly what dev studio we're talking about
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>explain what I don’t like >um actually you are supposed to expect and enjoy mediocrity from BGS
Is it insane to expect a game company to learn from its mistakes?
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>Is it insane to expect a game company to learn from its mistakes?
when they've been making the same mistakes since the early 2000s, yes, yes it is. you only have yourself to blame for thinking it'd be different this time
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So let me get this straight. >Starfield is good despite being as shallow as a puddle and it’s my fault to expect anything better from BGS
3 weeks ago
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Because Bethesda has the widest oceans out there
3 weeks ago
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Puddles, you mean?
3 weeks ago
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Yes
3 weeks ago
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you might actually be the dumbest person on the board currently. How the fuck is the statement "Bethesda has been making the same bad decisions for decades and to expect good RPG elements out of them in silly" at all a positive endorsement for this game? jesus christ dude
3 weeks ago
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>I respond to post defending starfield >I say it’s as shallow as a puddle >you respond demanding me to list my criticisms without buzzwords >I do so >we are here
Provided you aren’t the anon I responded to originally, then what the fuck are you doing?
3 weeks ago
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>Provided you aren’t the anon I responded to originally, then what the fuck are you doing?
reading your posts and responding to the text they contain instead of fighting ghosts. you listed a bunch of shit bethesda hasn't done since morrowind, I laughed and said you're silly for thinking any of things would ever be realized by modern beth. you then fused me and someone else despite having completely different opinions, while discarding the actual words I said to instead fight the amalgamation you created with extremely contradictory views.
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>jump into a conversation >blame me for not knowing you weren’t the anon I was talking to >call me retarded for not realizing you were not the anon I was talking to >say I should’ve known better because the views are contradictory
Multiple people I’ve talked to today have said “starfield is good, and if you don’t like it, it’s on you because your standards are too high” or other similar talking points
I presumed you were the same guy because combining what you said with the thought that you liked starfield isn’t outlandish when compared to what I’ve seen today.
Sorry.
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>I respond to post defending starfield >I say it’s as shallow as a puddle >you respond demanding me to list my criticisms without buzzwords >I do so >we are here
Provided you aren’t the anon I responded to originally, then what the fuck are you doing?
Beth games have more of a sandboxy element where choices are more along the lines of steal armor from some podonk rice farmer and break the game, you have to allow for some bugs in this light
People cant honestly have hopes for this surely? Even if you enjoy starfield, theres going to be nothing ground breaking about new elder scrolls itll just be more of the same jank with an outdated engine, badly designed cities, bad graphics and lifeless npcs and lots of loading screens.
Todd doesnt give a fuck and if he was to change then starfield would be different
>Under the direction of Ted Peterson and Julian LeFay, lead developers of the team behind the original Elder Scrolls, Arena and Daggerfall, OnceLost Games is creating a new open-world fantasy RPG where choice and consequence are experienced on a scale never attempted before.
Why not just form another team under Bethesda and make TES spin off games?
Starfield was just a contractual obligation of being bought by microsoft. GUARANTEED microsoft said "you need to make an original IP bethesda game exclusive to xbox platforms" so they shit out starfield.
TES VI will be at least as good as Skyrim, this was just a completely unloved turd that nobody cared about making.
Yes. It's the same system which means you shouldn't expect character models or world textures any better. Plus it's set in Harmmerfell so you're going to get bombarded with niggos.
I'm betting they also do ranndomly generated caves and shit to boot.
The only thing that is worrying is the enemy AI has been pretty bad in starfield. Other than that Bethesda has been making improvements to their games since Skyrim. I hate Skyrim zoomers so much for not knowing that Skyrim was the dark times of Bethesda design philosophy where Pete Hines or whoever it was thought that "perfection is when there is nothing left to take away" and we got the most shallow bare bones game bethesda has ever made which just so happened to have a great atmosphere so a bunch of "babies first open world" gamers got sucked in.
pic related is a representation of my feelings towards skyrim fans when they tell me why any of bethesdas later games isnt as good as skyrim.
If it's set in Hammerfell with current beth making it, I won't even consider buying it. Not interested in seeing a bunch of ugly mutant looking black female warriors, bandits, mages, and leaders all over the place.
Yes we should be worried, but not because of Bethesda. I mean, we already know Bethesda is shit, but it's their fanboys we need to be most worried about. All those people on Reddit who blindly see zero fault with Starfield. The ones that come here to defend Starfield or because they are brain-rotted contrarians. They will let the company coast their way to a shitty SJW game with their stupid Todd Howard memes which were never funny. The man is a liar and a thief. I'm starting to believe those memes came originally from Bethesda itself. He was generally seen as a dishonest liar since Oblivion, but sometime after Skyrim these memes started popping up that tried to make him look like an innocent good guy who cares for you. And that's the most insidious shit, because it allows these cutthroats in the company to exploit you.
This pic which was made over ten years ago wasn't meant to be funny or endearing. There were no "Godd Howard" memes back then. You people brought this upon yourself by sucking up to a liar and a thief. And you are making Elder Scrolls 6 worse for us all if you continue to do it.
Oblivion was a hasty Xbox launch game with half the features missing and ever coming back. They also made huge compromises to the lore and turning their back on the cool designs of Morrowind. It was all hype and nothing to show for it. Bethesda peaked with Daggerfall/Morrowind, depending on which game philosophy you lean on. Oblivion is when the downfall started. Every game since Oblivion has always been the same, with various features removed or added but not really changing the concept meaningfully.
>I've been telling you fags for years
Gee, why didn't I listen to you? Instead, I burned up 400 hours of fun in Skyrim like an idiot
You absolute fucking gay
They will make half the characters gay or give them feminine walk animations. You will see Redguard men with Nord women all over towns while simultaneously pretending to proud Redguards. Nords and Imperials have members who look physically black despite Redguards already existing. Race will disappear from options and be just replaced with "background" because we are all the same, right? High elves are just an excuse to shit on Nazis, and if you play Altmer you have no other option but to cuck out your own race for the globohomo.
racists dont understand that Redguards arent what they think they are. theyre a great race and i wouldnt mind a game set in their lands as long as it wasnt 100% desert.
I've been replaying Skyrim, and once again I find myself picking >Archery >One-handed >Sneak >Light Armor >Alteration >Divide remained among crafting skills
Will any ES game ever make the other forms of combat, besides assassin, interesting?
Hahahahhaa. Buddy, if you start asking for it or voice your opinion too strongly about it, let me you tell you something... the Bethdrones will actually attack you for it. This is what happened last time right before Skyrim's launch. I wrote a hundred posts on Ganker campaigning for spell crafting, among other things. My biggest enemies were the biggest Bethesda fanboys. Anything Bethesda does is godly. Anything a player wants to be added in, is the enemy. That's how it works in the Bethesda world.
Don't get me wrong. More power to you if you somehow manage to get this movement going, and even better if Bethesda hears about it. I would love nothing more...
By the way, it's hilarious how their games are now full-on crafting of weapons of all sorts. Base-building, ship-building, but back in the Elder Scrolls days Bethesda was... nuh, keep it simple stupid, and took out all features that were not "complete" or whatever. Now they are going back to TES after a series of weak Minecraft-copying shooting games, and the obvious thing to add would be spell-crafting, not some stupid ass cooking that sucks compared to health potions anyway. Let's see if Todd can activate two neurons here and come to the obvious conclusion. If he does introduce is, call out on his bullshit. It's NOT revolutionary. He is merely bringing something back that should have always been there. But this is what Todd does, the hyper master.
All of the problems of modern Bethesda titles started in Skyrim (boring quests, the stupid radiant system, soulless world and characters, no chance to roleplay anywhere outside of your own head, etc).
Idk why you all act surprised when it was clear what was the direction they were taking.
They are lazy, they are greedy and they will never change unless it's easy and it guarantees even more sales (like just removing the PC voice).
Radiant started with Oblivion. It was originally for the AI but they merely lied about it and the end result being nothing like in the demos. Bethesda quietly admitted defeat and never brought it up again but they did introduce Radiant Quests next.
>entire map of tamriel is accessible >major cities and POI in every region but the stuff in between those cities and POIs are procedural just like starfield >not an actual open world, invisible walls and tile travel will return from starfield >$80 base price by the time the game actually releases
You are being too optimistic. Starfield severely lacks meaningful content. They cut up everything into little empty zones. Even with all the out-sourcing they do they don't seem to have enough hands to build things for them. One well-done province in the currentyear with all the problems that come with trying to keep up to date technologically is going to be difficult enough. Two provinces would stretch them too thin. It would be begging for modders to finish it.
Every Bethesda release was meant to expand the consumer base. TES is now too big and recognizable a property to not attempt the biggest normalfag consoomer capture of all time. >partially or fully playable on mobile platforms >Twitch integration >limited multiplayer support >frequent updates like every modern live game >Microsoft-approved VR hardware for "intended" experience >Bethesda or Microsoft account required >mod-unfriendly
if you weren't worried since the day skyrim came out I don't know what to tell you anon. seeing people here acting like Starfield is somehow the game that fucked the camel's ass is insane to me.
No
Because no way microsoft will keep bethesda structure the same after starfield flop, todd will be replaced with a lot of the old fags developers and no more of their shit engine. Also jeremy will be back for the soundtrack.
Future looks good
>todd will be replaced
Todd said TES VI is probably going to be his last game >shit engine
engine is fine, go back to Gankeredditt > Also jeremy will be back for the soundtrack
Nope, he fucked himself after his stupid scam
>go back to Gankeredditt
A toddcuck tells people to go back to faggit, kek
Get the fuck out of here you smelly pajeet. i gurantee you a restructuring that will remove your master from leadership and his old deprecated devs will happen.
>Fallout 4 was dogshit >Fallout 76 was even bigger dogshit >Jeremy Soule was cancelled so TESVI will have a souless OST >Starfield is shit
You should have been worried years ago, TESVI being shit is cemented now.
> no dialog options outside of "yes", "maybe (yes)" and "no" > autogenerated dungeons, quests and NPCS > paid mods > only 5 weapons (if we are lucky) > the entire party is exclusively made of 45yo+ women and fags
Nah not really, mods will fix it, it just needs a good foundation. Regardless, you will BUY it, you will CRITICIZE and TRASH it, but you will be playing it for years to come, just like with Morrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim, Fallout 3, NV and 4, because deep down you ENJOY it and regardless of how buggy and shitty they are, nobody makes these types of games besides Bethesda.
same anon, Im just saying if people really did hate bethesda games, games like skyrim and fallout 4 wouldnt have legs and be topping the steam charts after all these years, meaning all this shittalk is due to bandwagoning and contrarianism. Once the hype dies down in a year or so, starfield will still be pulling thousands of players while all the other recent releases such as BG3 won't even come close. Not shitting on on BG3, It's probably my goty but Im just saying all this "starfield more like starfailed" talk is completely nonsense.
>Starfield removes the backbone that Skyrim and Fallout 4 had
ProcGen planets are boring. Fetch quests are boring. The writing in Starfield cannot cover for the lack of an interesting world and things to do.
A lot of the people shiting on Starfield are saying rightfully that the game lacks what those games had. Which is a world with things in it basically. Starfield has a lot of worlds but they barely have anything, or they outright have nothing, in them. Mods might improve Starfield but I cannot imagine people playing it as much as the previous games.
people like to think modders grow on trees but they dont. bethesda needs to have mod support out the gate, because it's detrimental to their games every day modders cant fix them. they learned nothing from Fallout 4s late creation kit, because Starfields is coming out in a year. i dont see why youd waste time modding this game if im being honest.
I agree with you there but people will still mod it. But it will never be the game it could be because by the time tools come out tons of people will have already forgotten the game.
>bandwagoning >contrarianism
Both meaningless buzzwords. Use actual arguments instead. Do those people have anything in particular to say? Then talk about what they talk about. You are not fighting a boogieman that you can put in a box with buzzwords.
And what comes to people playing their games. For the mods obviously. That's not Bethesda's feat. Even the modders themselves shit-talk Bethesda's lazy efforts often times. As they should.
No, becuase there's nothing we can do to stop the inevitable. Bethesda will release a game that people can put up with while not taking the effort to make it amazing. Expectations will never be fulfilled, everyone will have to cope by installing mods to make the game better or tolerable but Bethesda will never make it reach its full potential.
There is going to be a gargantuan effort to remove all the POZ from the game. And not least of all getting those mods hosted, as rabid Communists will be on the lookout to take them down.
Yes.
Many of the problems inherent to Starfield are caused by the Creation Engine.
Cities are still tiny and retardedly built. When you leave Akila City and walk around the badlands, the frame rate turns to absolute shit and can barely process everything that's going on.
New Atlantis is hypercompartmentalized behind loadscreens because they weren't able to make a seemless city work.
Something about their NPCs and the way they process their code absolutely JUNKS up their games. And then the problem is that their NPCs are absolute garbage.
There's barely been any improvement since Fallout 4. They walk around like idiots, stealth with NPCs is impossible, if they walk on non-flat terrain they start to jitter and shake.
The NPCs still have that hard-to-explain Bethesda jankiness to them, both in looks and movement, the city NPCs all just walk around at the same slow pace it all looks unnatural.
I'm also pretty sure space "travel" was made the way it was (AKA also divided between a number of loadscreens, no real exploration to be found) because of the limitations of their engine. If they can barely process a tiny city, they definitely can't do a seemless universe.
All this spells disaster for TES VI, because Bethshit really doesn't seem to learn.
Oh well, people will forgive them for the tiny cities because there will be like 10 of them in the whole province. It's going to be yet another theme park thickly coated with content, and little cities dotting the landscape not too far from each other.
Oh and, almost forgot to mention... walled cities aren't going anywhere... because it's not possible to solve the inherent problems with Gamebryo, unless they reinvent the engine from the ground up. Starfield showed us that they haven't improved the loading screens issue whatsoever. Cities are still contained in their own cell. An overworld can't handle all of that data in TES6.
Yeah I'm shocked at the amount of people who go >Starfield is such a disappointment because...
and then they list all the standard fare issues for bethesda open world RPGs. Did you expect them to reinvent the wheel in their 7th game after making 6 that have borderline identical issues and trending downwards? Did they simply never play them? Why do they even care about TESVI then? It makes no sense.
[...] >Starfield releases >its a normal bethesda jank game like literally every other bethesda game >guys, im so worried about tes 6 now...
if you dont like starfield you dont enjoy bethesda games period you poser gay zoomers. Why post about your "high hopes for TES6" when you clearly never played a TES game?
>ignoring that people expected Fallout 4 in space but got something even worse
that people expected Fallout 4 in space but got something even worse
It's almost like Bethesda is known for making their new games worse every single time. Everyone who expected FO4 in space has pattern blindness or doesnt know their history. It was always going to be FO4 in space but worse, because every single one of their releases is "previous game but worse"
This wasn't common knowledge at all, not even here. I had countless of arguments where I used "it's Fallout 4 in space" basically as an insult rather than a notion because the people defending Bethesda wouldn't get it. Now the game is out and we have some extreme revisionism going on, where these same Bethdrones are claiming it was never a space game to begin with. Lol! Just go to the archives and read any pre-launch Starfield thread. They didn't even believe it was going to be instanced so heavily, despite we the critics theorizing it. We would always hear the same ol "it's not out yet, you haven't played it yet, source source?" I mean I had these same excuses fly at me AFTER the early access was already out when I said there doesn't seem to be any lakes in this game. Their excuse was "you haven't played it yet, it's not fully out yet, nobody has explored all the planets."
the modders have been hard carrying Bethesda for a decade. don't know how they do it. if i were in the modding community i would take games off, even for a slackass company like Bethesda which can't be fucked to release games often.
No, by now you should not be worried, because you would have been worried around when you noticed how simplified Skyrim was compared to Oblivion and Morrowind. Then when Fallout 4 came out you'd accept that Bethesda is Sloppa company now. Then the worrying would die, because you would accept them as sloppa company, and Fallout 76 would have definitely solidified that if F4 didn't. But NOW? now you're worried? Now? You should be in "I know well what has become" land where you don't buy shit they make.
Starfield is shit but can anyone tell me how to fix the slight input lag and mouse smoothing that makes gunplay make me wanna tear my liver out?
Or is it fault of the shit optimization and I should just suck it up and stick to melee weapons that seem rather okay?
Lose weight and let the outside world be your elder scrolls
people wont talk to me out there like they will in the game
people wont talk to you in this game either aside from the 5 main quest npcs judging by starfield
You can get quests from people IRL, you can go on adventures, become a drug addict, join a gang, kill people, steal vehicles, go anywhere, you can even leave the map if you sneak on a space shuttle somehow, or grind university credit to become an astronaut. Then the map is infinite.
Yeah but I like looking at pretty computer grafics
>ground textures are all muddy
>trees growing out of rocks
>clearly randomized grass, also growing out of rocks randomly
ugly
>pretty
>growing out of racks
there's ground under those rocks you stupid fucking gay. have you never seen plants grow out of a crack in the asphalt or pavement when walking by?
Modded Skyrim looked better than this in 2014. Good to see Bethesda artists haven't improved at all.
>aside from the 5 main quest npcs judging by starfield
There are dozens of NPCs without quests that have branching dialog.
Can do some nice hiking/camping, at least.
the outside world isn't a high fantasy world
can't cast fireballs and necromance bitches irl
Not with that attitude
I don't like hardcore roguelikes.
no elves outside
where can I find a cute dunmer bf irl
>no save system
>p2w
lmao what retard design this shit?
I can't murder or rape people IRL and get away with it like I can in Elder Scrolls though...
Just spend more of your points on IQ and gain psychopathic traits. Game can be cheesed by stealing NPCs hard work.
Redguards outside have guns instead of curved swords.
>perma death
>no save states
>p2w
you can't fuck the cats outside anon it's illegal
>rng start
>the only way to even have a chance of doing good is to engage in a soulless rat race and grind non stop
Fucking dogshit game for moron trannies
Fine. I use CHIM to retroactively erase OP's cock and balls.
>let the outside world be your elder scrolls
>Encounter drunk hooligan
>Bash his head in with a mace
>Get a bounty, even though he attacked first WTF???
>Can't find thieves guild to get rid of bounty. this is bad!
>Get attacked by Town guard (police)
>Town guard shoots ypu into the leg, because he is a pussy who brings a gun to a macefight
>Instead of losing some skill points, you will spend the rest of your life in jail and never find happiness again.
GOTY better than Elder Scrolls
Bethesda kind of gave us a gift by releasing Starfield first.
I have been waiting so long for TES 6 but now I don't even care, at least they let us know ahead of time it would be awful instead of making us wait another 5 years.
Agree. Couldn’t care less now. It’ll be shit.
Yeah same man seeing how this is more of a "wide as an ocean but deep as a puddle" situation with Starfield you know damn well their gonna do the same or most likely even worse shit with TES 6 and hell even Fallout 5.
Could you elaborate a little? Curious as to what ya mean.
Okay so exploration hardly means anything in the game because it's mostly barren empty planets and that have copy and paste points of interests with hardly any worthly loot there. Also this is more of me thing because no one else talks about this but Bethesda's RPG have been lacking depth since Skyrim here's an example remember in Oblivion where you chose 7 skills as major skills to increase and those will level you up so you were driven to certain playstyle wtih your perference. Where Skyrim for rid of that increasing any skill Level's you up and with Fallout in 3 and NV there were skills points assocites with skills so it gave more ways to chose what you wanted to invest in, but in 4 no skill points and perks are dumbed down like 25% damage with melee weapons with multiple ranks and less thought put into it and Starfield does that same shit. So when I say "wide as an ocean but deep as puddle" I mean it's a huge game to explore but nothing really unique or worth exploring and has a dumbed down RPG system that feels more window dressing than a main mechanic of the game also levels seems almost worthless when you get one good weapon and I've been seeing people killing mobs 10's of level higher than them with ease especially with dumb enemy and companion AI.
Ohhh I know what you mean now, no depth yeah
You get a shit ton of xp for exploring, not to mention resource accumulation
>Starfield releases
>its a normal bethesda jank game like literally every other bethesda game
>guys, im so worried about tes 6 now...
if you dont like starfield you dont enjoy bethesda games period you poser gay zoomers. Why post about your "high hopes for TES6" when you clearly never played a TES game?
I enjoy the worlds that Bethesda creates. The problem is that it's been 12 years since Skyrim, 16 years since Oblivion. In all this time they haven't been able to fix many of the core problems with their games. They went from leading amongst many of their peers, to lagging far behind in the quality of what they output. This is not just a Ganker opinion, many reviewers and normies have wasted no time pointing out the same things.
It's disappointing more than anything, because it's their shitty Creation Engine that they love too much to drop that's causing many of the problems.
the creation engine is not what is stopping them from having well written quests and compelling RPG mechanics anon, otherwise NV wouldn't exist.
moron they release a game every couple years and they havent improved once, they infact make their open world RPGs worse every time, FO4 was in many way worse than FO3, why did you expect them to improve this time?
The world that Bethesda creates is so fucking shallow. I downloaded starfield to give it a fair shot and put in a decent amt of hours. I completed one faction questline which involves a huge conspiracy and ends with you killing the CEO of said company. A event that should change the world because it is a big fucking deal.
Nope. The world stayed the same as it was when I first started the questline.
It is so fucking dumb.
>basically the forsworn conspiracy but you can’t kill madanach
yawn
CDProjekt put out two open world games since Skyrim, both which have richer worlds and quests. It's amazing how complacent Bethesda has become. Stuck right where they were a decade ago. Really not a good look for the lead developers encouraging the backwards boomer stereotype.
bethesda studio as a whole refuse to leave their comfort zone with the creation engine
they're just a group of modders that got too popular and will be found out if they were asked to use a normal modern engine
That's actually an understatement.
Not only was TW3 their first open world game, they also revamped the combat system just for that game. It was ambitious, I don't think it worked well, but at least they tried.
Then they revamped fucking everything for CP2077, introduced better default gunplay than FO:4 (this isn't much of a brag), and set up an extensive stealth combat system with Quick Hacking. I haven't played Deus Ex, but I can't think of another RPG, let alone an open world that supports stealth as much as CP2077. It's definitely not balanced at all, but again, it's an ambitious attempt to do something new.
Skyrim added dual wielding and shouts. Fallout: 4 added base building.
What the fuck did Starfield introduce?
>What the fuck did Starfield introduce?
umm sweaty, have you seen the file size and how many 3D items they got indians to scan and import??
they can't fucking innovate, only make "better grafix" and add more goddamn items to bloat the file size
TES 6 gonna flop hard.
It's not even funny because there are too many competitors nowadays.
nah Starfield is not nearly as open world as their games traditionally are.
Yeah I'm shocked at the amount of people who go
>Starfield is such a disappointment because...
and then they list all the standard fare issues for bethesda open world RPGs. Did you expect them to reinvent the wheel in their 7th game after making 6 that have borderline identical issues and trending downwards? Did they simply never play them? Why do they even care about TESVI then? It makes no sense.
The thing is it's not normal Bethesda slop it's extra slop this time round
>its a normal bethesda jank game like literally every other bethesda game
You forgot the part where it's worse than any previous games
i can see why you'd come to this conclusion and i'm almost there myself
I got to this point after Fallout 4. Starfield was just official confirmation.
Depends how much dumb bullshit they try to pad the game with in the name of innovation.
No starfield was great
Yes, the world was better with no starfield
it isn't coming for a long time, so hopefully todd howard dies early in development so that there might be a chance.
If Starfield was mostly outsourced as evidenced by its credits, surely that means the core team at Bethesda is spending the bulk of their energy on this... right?
No, it only just started early development this year. It won't be out for at least five years.
No. The looter shooter gameplay from Fallout 4/Starfield won't translate to TES.
It's going to be absolute slop since Bethesda developers refuse to learn how to program games outside of their ancient creation engine
>But creation engine 2 is new
Clearly it's the same shit. Right down to the store inventories being hidden underneath the map in a chest. Absolutely pathetic
knowing todd, he'll triple down on radiant because its his dream ever since arena to make a game where no one has to think up anything
Except he's too much of a scared cunt to ever fully commit to it
So we get garbage like Starfield that's just a much smaller Fallout 4 with a bunch of half-finished garbage attached.
There is literally no point to exploring anything in starfield outside of the 4-5 main cities. There is nothing else in the game. Legitimately. It's the smallest game they've made in that sense.
The retard needs to realize you either make a full narrative, hand-crafted game like Morrowind, or you make a fully procedurally generated one like Daggerfall. Anything inbetween is just complete shit.
Daggerfall with current tech would be fucking insanely good and so fucking easy to make, too.
If you dislike modern day progressive far left politics shoved into your medieval fantasy setting, then yes, be worried
>mfw independent thinker
>mfw i love video games
>mfw starfield, bg3, cp2077 dlc
>mfw Ganker herd incels will never enjoy another game
>independant thinker
>gobbles up triple-A goyslop
You got all your opinions from e-celebs, Reddit and Twitter, don't think for a second you're fooling anyone here.
sure
Next you'll post about "goyslop" and other things you totally didn't copy and paste into your personality from your very own authority figures and surrogate friends/community. Tool sheep
I'd like to leave but sadly I'm here forever
CP2077 was unironically vastly superior to everything Bethesda has done since Morrowind.
People denied this only because admitting meant admitting that Starfield would likely be bad.
Guess what? Starfield is the single worst game they've ever released out of the main line games (i.e. we're not counting Redguard, Battlespire, etc).
They're cooked. It's over.
Starfield is also the best thing Bethesda had done since morrowind
yep it's actually great
please redeem card now sirs
BWAHAHAHAHAHAH
it's true. get off social media and play it without giving into lame herd peer pressure to hate something
I will never play it. It looks terrible.
I started playing it today. I don't like it and it's not because of blacks and gays. It's not the million menus to navigate. It's the horrible dialogue. It's like an entire game of the fallout 4 railroad faction. The writing is uncanny valley. Not quite natural. Not quite human. Bethesda has had this problem since oblivion and it gets progressively worse with every game. I just can't force myself to keep wasting time with it, but I'm glad you enjoy it.
I went in expecting to hate the dialog but am pleasantly surprised
Elaborate anon.
Agreed. The 'millennial writing' is largely confined to a couple characters (like Noel) for whom it makes sense to talk like that (as a mid-20s nerdy black girl) and player dialogue which you can avoid selecting.
This. It's the great zoomer ADHD filter. Note the complaints: "I can't travel faster than light speed without folding space time! There's no map in the cities!! Distant lifeless rocks don't have constant social interactions!"
>I can't travel faster than light speed without folding space time
isn't this exactly how grav drives work?
>There's no map in the cities
this is a valid criticism i agree with. how does the dragonborn have gps but not far future humanity? despite its flaws it's a great game
>Actual shills here
Show skin colour
>Starfield is also the best thing Bethesda had done since morrowind
it is but it has some fucking massive flaws that drag it even below fo4.
the level of woke is completely off the charts. is is so blatant that even i was shocked.
the universe is completely sexless and sterile. there isn't even a dress in the game. that was fine in elder scrolls but here it is just too obvioisly avoided it kills all immersion.
every single story npc is a moron or a woman. most obviousely in the ryujin story.
Redguard is good, only issue is it's way too short.
You have 10 years to care about the quality of this game.
Todd doesn't know how to stop. Bethesda games are just going to get bigger and buggier and spread more and more thin with more and more proc gen, they don't understand that people want smaller but more focused and detailed worlds from them.
>Bethesda
If only. Every dev is doing this. Look at Rockstar and how big they're making GTA 6. Even RDR2 already suffered because they tried to make a fuckhuge map.
Hasn't Skyrim already been the "ultimate fantasy-world simulator" for quite a while now?
It doesn't have EVERYTHING you'd expect out of a fantasy game but you can mod in a lot of the shit you'd want and turn it into one.
>Bethesda games are just going to get bigger and buggier
Starfield is their least bug release ever
>and more thin with more and more proc gen
only starfield has that
>they don't understand that people want smaller but more focused and detailed worlds from them.
speak for yourself cockass
>”I FUCKING LOVE GAMES AS SHALLOW AS A PUDDLE!”
Actually explain what you don't like instead using e-celeb buzzwords and phrases. No one is forcing you to play these games.
Rather than dedicating resources into a half-assed space exploration system, they could have made the main quest not a bunch of fetch quests with multiverse retardation. Furthermore, by ignoring space exploration, they could’ve cut down on the amount of loading screens by confining the game into one system. Perhaps the extra time could have went into making your background more than flavor text? Or how about making the game run above 30 frames? Or how about adding choice and consequence to the quests? Or maybe they could have fixed the UI? Or maybe they could have added NPC routines?
>Or how about adding choice and consequence to the quests?
this your first modern bethesda game? why would you expect these things from them at this point? I'm convinced the majority of people here who are mad about the game have somehow managed to forget exactly what dev studio we're talking about
>explain what I don’t like
>um actually you are supposed to expect and enjoy mediocrity from BGS
Is it insane to expect a game company to learn from its mistakes?
>Is it insane to expect a game company to learn from its mistakes?
when they've been making the same mistakes since the early 2000s, yes, yes it is. you only have yourself to blame for thinking it'd be different this time
So let me get this straight.
>Starfield is good despite being as shallow as a puddle and it’s my fault to expect anything better from BGS
Because Bethesda has the widest oceans out there
Puddles, you mean?
Yes
you might actually be the dumbest person on the board currently. How the fuck is the statement "Bethesda has been making the same bad decisions for decades and to expect good RPG elements out of them in silly" at all a positive endorsement for this game? jesus christ dude
>I respond to post defending starfield
>I say it’s as shallow as a puddle
>you respond demanding me to list my criticisms without buzzwords
>I do so
>we are here
Provided you aren’t the anon I responded to originally, then what the fuck are you doing?
>Provided you aren’t the anon I responded to originally, then what the fuck are you doing?
reading your posts and responding to the text they contain instead of fighting ghosts. you listed a bunch of shit bethesda hasn't done since morrowind, I laughed and said you're silly for thinking any of things would ever be realized by modern beth. you then fused me and someone else despite having completely different opinions, while discarding the actual words I said to instead fight the amalgamation you created with extremely contradictory views.
>jump into a conversation
>blame me for not knowing you weren’t the anon I was talking to
>call me retarded for not realizing you were not the anon I was talking to
>say I should’ve known better because the views are contradictory
Multiple people I’ve talked to today have said “starfield is good, and if you don’t like it, it’s on you because your standards are too high” or other similar talking points
I presumed you were the same guy because combining what you said with the thought that you liked starfield isn’t outlandish when compared to what I’ve seen today.
Sorry.
>and has the audacity to call me retarded
:^|
Beth games have more of a sandboxy element where choices are more along the lines of steal armor from some podonk rice farmer and break the game, you have to allow for some bugs in this light
pls dont be in Hammerfell
it's gonna be in Hammerfell
I'm just hoping the writing and world building will be made after this whole social mania fagotry has burnt itself out.
People cant honestly have hopes for this surely? Even if you enjoy starfield, theres going to be nothing ground breaking about new elder scrolls itll just be more of the same jank with an outdated engine, badly designed cities, bad graphics and lifeless npcs and lots of loading screens.
Todd doesnt give a fuck and if he was to change then starfield would be different
>Should we be worried?
Yes. Wayward Realms is going to trounce TES 6.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1685310/The_Wayward_Realms/
Vaporware. Stupid shill.
>Under the direction of Ted Peterson and Julian LeFay, lead developers of the team behind the original Elder Scrolls, Arena and Daggerfall, OnceLost Games is creating a new open-world fantasy RPG where choice and consequence are experienced on a scale never attempted before.
Why not just form another team under Bethesda and make TES spin off games?
Peterson and LeFay have been gone from Bethesda since before Morrowind
Starfield was just a contractual obligation of being bought by microsoft. GUARANTEED microsoft said "you need to make an original IP bethesda game exclusive to xbox platforms" so they shit out starfield.
TES VI will be at least as good as Skyrim, this was just a completely unloved turd that nobody cared about making.
starfield was in dev well before the acquisition, get a grip
What engine can they use that would work
For this type of game
creation engine of course, it's the best engine out there
creation, if they hire good programmers (they can't afford it)
it's this. the engine would be fine if theyd put money into optimization/better code.
yes. after seeing what happen to starfield and diablo 4. I don't even trust the gaming industry as a whole now.
Yes. It's the same system which means you shouldn't expect character models or world textures any better. Plus it's set in Harmmerfell so you're going to get bombarded with niggos.
I'm betting they also do ranndomly generated caves and shit to boot.
The only thing that is worrying is the enemy AI has been pretty bad in starfield. Other than that Bethesda has been making improvements to their games since Skyrim. I hate Skyrim zoomers so much for not knowing that Skyrim was the dark times of Bethesda design philosophy where Pete Hines or whoever it was thought that "perfection is when there is nothing left to take away" and we got the most shallow bare bones game bethesda has ever made which just so happened to have a great atmosphere so a bunch of "babies first open world" gamers got sucked in.
pic related is a representation of my feelings towards skyrim fans when they tell me why any of bethesdas later games isnt as good as skyrim.
ESO gave Nords their own culture again, hopefully Skyrim was the low point in terms of lore
you know that's a good point. i get down on ESO a little too much.
Worried about what? It will never be as good as Starfield.
Don't be. It's already over.
If it's set in Hammerfell with current beth making it, I won't even consider buying it. Not interested in seeing a bunch of ugly mutant looking black female warriors, bandits, mages, and leaders all over the place.
Yes we should be worried, but not because of Bethesda. I mean, we already know Bethesda is shit, but it's their fanboys we need to be most worried about. All those people on Reddit who blindly see zero fault with Starfield. The ones that come here to defend Starfield or because they are brain-rotted contrarians. They will let the company coast their way to a shitty SJW game with their stupid Todd Howard memes which were never funny. The man is a liar and a thief. I'm starting to believe those memes came originally from Bethesda itself. He was generally seen as a dishonest liar since Oblivion, but sometime after Skyrim these memes started popping up that tried to make him look like an innocent good guy who cares for you. And that's the most insidious shit, because it allows these cutthroats in the company to exploit you.
Who is ultimately responsible for greenlighting starfield instead of tes 6?
the lead artist
Istvan Pely
This pic which was made over ten years ago wasn't meant to be funny or endearing. There were no "Godd Howard" memes back then. You people brought this upon yourself by sucking up to a liar and a thief. And you are making Elder Scrolls 6 worse for us all if you continue to do it.
Absolutely.
I've been telling you fags for years that Bethesda peaked with oblivion.
Oblivion was a hasty Xbox launch game with half the features missing and ever coming back. They also made huge compromises to the lore and turning their back on the cool designs of Morrowind. It was all hype and nothing to show for it. Bethesda peaked with Daggerfall/Morrowind, depending on which game philosophy you lean on. Oblivion is when the downfall started. Every game since Oblivion has always been the same, with various features removed or added but not really changing the concept meaningfully.
oblivion is a masterpiece
It is worse than Skyrim, with a completely uninspiring and empty world and game-breakingly bad level-scaling.
>game requires meta-knowledge just to level up
>"masterpiece"
ishygddt
>I've been telling you fags for years
Gee, why didn't I listen to you? Instead, I burned up 400 hours of fun in Skyrim like an idiot
You absolute fucking gay
>Hammerfell setting
>Many human characters are BLVCK
>Gankerermins complain as usual
They don’t deserve another game
They will make half the characters gay or give them feminine walk animations. You will see Redguard men with Nord women all over towns while simultaneously pretending to proud Redguards. Nords and Imperials have members who look physically black despite Redguards already existing. Race will disappear from options and be just replaced with "background" because we are all the same, right? High elves are just an excuse to shit on Nazis, and if you play Altmer you have no other option but to cuck out your own race for the globohomo.
racists dont understand that Redguards arent what they think they are. theyre a great race and i wouldnt mind a game set in their lands as long as it wasnt 100% desert.
*sip*
MAKE A NEW ENGINE TODD I STILL CAN'T PLAY SKYRIM WITHOUT CRASHES
1000 islands!
sail your own ship!
bill gates voice cameo!
Why be worried, you're free. No longer tied down having to care about fantasy pronouns game with morons and woke writing
If it's not Skyrim II, i'm not interested.
I've been replaying Skyrim, and once again I find myself picking
>Archery
>One-handed
>Sneak
>Light Armor
>Alteration
>Divide remained among crafting skills
Will any ES game ever make the other forms of combat, besides assassin, interesting?
It better have spell crafting
Hahahahhaa. Buddy, if you start asking for it or voice your opinion too strongly about it, let me you tell you something... the Bethdrones will actually attack you for it. This is what happened last time right before Skyrim's launch. I wrote a hundred posts on Ganker campaigning for spell crafting, among other things. My biggest enemies were the biggest Bethesda fanboys. Anything Bethesda does is godly. Anything a player wants to be added in, is the enemy. That's how it works in the Bethesda world.
Don't get me wrong. More power to you if you somehow manage to get this movement going, and even better if Bethesda hears about it. I would love nothing more...
By the way, it's hilarious how their games are now full-on crafting of weapons of all sorts. Base-building, ship-building, but back in the Elder Scrolls days Bethesda was... nuh, keep it simple stupid, and took out all features that were not "complete" or whatever. Now they are going back to TES after a series of weak Minecraft-copying shooting games, and the obvious thing to add would be spell-crafting, not some stupid ass cooking that sucks compared to health potions anyway. Let's see if Todd can activate two neurons here and come to the obvious conclusion. If he does introduce is, call out on his bullshit. It's NOT revolutionary. He is merely bringing something back that should have always been there. But this is what Todd does, the hyper master.
hype master*
The whole map will be procedurally generated
All of the problems of modern Bethesda titles started in Skyrim (boring quests, the stupid radiant system, soulless world and characters, no chance to roleplay anywhere outside of your own head, etc).
Idk why you all act surprised when it was clear what was the direction they were taking.
They are lazy, they are greedy and they will never change unless it's easy and it guarantees even more sales (like just removing the PC voice).
Radiant started with Oblivion. It was originally for the AI but they merely lied about it and the end result being nothing like in the demos. Bethesda quietly admitted defeat and never brought it up again but they did introduce Radiant Quests next.
>this entire thread is “MMMMMM I LOVE STARSLOP”
It’s over before it even began.
>this entire post is "I DIDN'T READ THE THREAD"
You're a fucking gay.
>You’re a fucking gay.
Tell that to the people sucking Starfield off in this thread.
Perhaps you’ve noticed them if you bothered to read the thread.
>entire map of tamriel is accessible
>major cities and POI in every region but the stuff in between those cities and POIs are procedural just like starfield
>not an actual open world, invisible walls and tile travel will return from starfield
>$80 base price by the time the game actually releases
>entire map of tamriel is accessible
doubt, TEV VI is going to be High Rock, Hammerfell, Orisinium and The Reach
You are being too optimistic. Starfield severely lacks meaningful content. They cut up everything into little empty zones. Even with all the out-sourcing they do they don't seem to have enough hands to build things for them. One well-done province in the currentyear with all the problems that come with trying to keep up to date technologically is going to be difficult enough. Two provinces would stretch them too thin. It would be begging for modders to finish it.
way way too ambitious for Bethesda. being ambitious is something they say they do, but they dont actually pull it off.
if you’re correct, i’ll cry
I don't want the entirety of Tamriel in Gamebryo. They need a new one if they are going to do that.
No. You should have already accepted that Bethesda died with Fallout 76 and that Microsoft is only helping bury the company.
Every Bethesda release was meant to expand the consumer base. TES is now too big and recognizable a property to not attempt the biggest normalfag consoomer capture of all time.
>partially or fully playable on mobile platforms
>Twitch integration
>limited multiplayer support
>frequent updates like every modern live game
>Microsoft-approved VR hardware for "intended" experience
>Bethesda or Microsoft account required
>mod-unfriendly
>Bethesda or Microsoft account required
bethesda closed their launcher retard
Yeah right and account creation will never come back in any way shape or form. I'm not convinced yet but I hope you're right.
Anyone with wits knew that anything after Fallout 4 was going to be shit
76 is good tho?
Hello Todd
todd didnt work on 76
76 had a 13 million player count
https://gamerant.com/fallout-76-13-5-million-players/
Worried about what? A company that has never released anything other than mediocre games releasing yet another mediocre game?
The ps5 will be 6.5 years old when it comes out.
if you weren't worried since the day skyrim came out I don't know what to tell you anon. seeing people here acting like Starfield is somehow the game that fucked the camel's ass is insane to me.
Starfield took the last parts of modern Bethesda that weren’t shit (world exploration and pacing) and removed it entirely.
No
Because no way microsoft will keep bethesda structure the same after starfield flop, todd will be replaced with a lot of the old fags developers and no more of their shit engine. Also jeremy will be back for the soundtrack.
Future looks good
>todd will be replaced
Todd said TES VI is probably going to be his last game
>shit engine
engine is fine, go back to Gankeredditt
> Also jeremy will be back for the soundtrack
Nope, he fucked himself after his stupid scam
>go back to Gankeredditt
A toddcuck tells people to go back to faggit, kek
Get the fuck out of here you smelly pajeet. i gurantee you a restructuring that will remove your master from leadership and his old deprecated devs will happen.
>engine is fine
Okay Todd
Will it use creation engine? Yes. It will.
>no soule
that's all you really needed to know imo
story-telling in video games has been dogshit for nearly a decade too
>Fallout 4 was dogshit
>Fallout 76 was even bigger dogshit
>Jeremy Soule was cancelled so TESVI will have a souless OST
>Starfield is shit
You should have been worried years ago, TESVI being shit is cemented now.
>developed and released 5 games in a 15 year period
>won't have more than 2 games out in similar time frame
>We heard you loud and clear. I'm happy to announce that The Elder Scrolls 6 will be a CRPG.
> no dialog options outside of "yes", "maybe (yes)" and "no"
> autogenerated dungeons, quests and NPCS
> paid mods
> only 5 weapons (if we are lucky)
> the entire party is exclusively made of 45yo+ women and fags
It would be a living nightmare.
>should we be worried
Only if you’re actually expecting a non goy slop game
I don't even want this shit after starfield. They clearly haven't learned shit and it will be more becoming archmage after two quests nonsense.
Nah not really, mods will fix it, it just needs a good foundation. Regardless, you will BUY it, you will CRITICIZE and TRASH it, but you will be playing it for years to come, just like with Morrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim, Fallout 3, NV and 4, because deep down you ENJOY it and regardless of how buggy and shitty they are, nobody makes these types of games besides Bethesda.
Not a big fan of Oblivion or skyrim, but starfield had me hooked
same anon, Im just saying if people really did hate bethesda games, games like skyrim and fallout 4 wouldnt have legs and be topping the steam charts after all these years, meaning all this shittalk is due to bandwagoning and contrarianism. Once the hype dies down in a year or so, starfield will still be pulling thousands of players while all the other recent releases such as BG3 won't even come close. Not shitting on on BG3, It's probably my goty but Im just saying all this "starfield more like starfailed" talk is completely nonsense.
>Starfield removes the backbone that Skyrim and Fallout 4 had
ProcGen planets are boring. Fetch quests are boring. The writing in Starfield cannot cover for the lack of an interesting world and things to do.
A lot of the people shiting on Starfield are saying rightfully that the game lacks what those games had. Which is a world with things in it basically. Starfield has a lot of worlds but they barely have anything, or they outright have nothing, in them. Mods might improve Starfield but I cannot imagine people playing it as much as the previous games.
people like to think modders grow on trees but they dont. bethesda needs to have mod support out the gate, because it's detrimental to their games every day modders cant fix them. they learned nothing from Fallout 4s late creation kit, because Starfields is coming out in a year. i dont see why youd waste time modding this game if im being honest.
I agree with you there but people will still mod it. But it will never be the game it could be because by the time tools come out tons of people will have already forgotten the game.
They really are retarded devs.
>bandwagoning
>contrarianism
Both meaningless buzzwords. Use actual arguments instead. Do those people have anything in particular to say? Then talk about what they talk about. You are not fighting a boogieman that you can put in a box with buzzwords.
And what comes to people playing their games. For the mods obviously. That's not Bethesda's feat. Even the modders themselves shit-talk Bethesda's lazy efforts often times. As they should.
Trust the plan.
No, becuase there's nothing we can do to stop the inevitable. Bethesda will release a game that people can put up with while not taking the effort to make it amazing. Expectations will never be fulfilled, everyone will have to cope by installing mods to make the game better or tolerable but Bethesda will never make it reach its full potential.
There is going to be a gargantuan effort to remove all the POZ from the game. And not least of all getting those mods hosted, as rabid Communists will be on the lookout to take them down.
>gargantuan effort
as gargantuan as you going outside?
Huh?
No, you've got nothing to worry about. It'll be the exact same slop you've been buying since Fallout 3 so you're good.
Yes.
Many of the problems inherent to Starfield are caused by the Creation Engine.
Cities are still tiny and retardedly built. When you leave Akila City and walk around the badlands, the frame rate turns to absolute shit and can barely process everything that's going on.
New Atlantis is hypercompartmentalized behind loadscreens because they weren't able to make a seemless city work.
Something about their NPCs and the way they process their code absolutely JUNKS up their games. And then the problem is that their NPCs are absolute garbage.
There's barely been any improvement since Fallout 4. They walk around like idiots, stealth with NPCs is impossible, if they walk on non-flat terrain they start to jitter and shake.
The NPCs still have that hard-to-explain Bethesda jankiness to them, both in looks and movement, the city NPCs all just walk around at the same slow pace it all looks unnatural.
I'm also pretty sure space "travel" was made the way it was (AKA also divided between a number of loadscreens, no real exploration to be found) because of the limitations of their engine. If they can barely process a tiny city, they definitely can't do a seemless universe.
All this spells disaster for TES VI, because Bethshit really doesn't seem to learn.
Oh well, people will forgive them for the tiny cities because there will be like 10 of them in the whole province. It's going to be yet another theme park thickly coated with content, and little cities dotting the landscape not too far from each other.
Oh and, almost forgot to mention... walled cities aren't going anywhere... because it's not possible to solve the inherent problems with Gamebryo, unless they reinvent the engine from the ground up. Starfield showed us that they haven't improved the loading screens issue whatsoever. Cities are still contained in their own cell. An overworld can't handle all of that data in TES6.
>Should we be worried?
yes... yes we should https://youtu.be/5zDjSrZ9Fsc
moronfell fom the makers of calergifield
If you think Starfield was woke you haven't seen anything yet.
>we
>Globohomo redguard
No thanks. Skyrim still based
I've already written it off. Skyblivion will be miles better.
retarded take
>ignoring that people expected Fallout 4 in space but got something even worse
that people expected Fallout 4 in space but got something even worse
It's almost like Bethesda is known for making their new games worse every single time. Everyone who expected FO4 in space has pattern blindness or doesnt know their history. It was always going to be FO4 in space but worse, because every single one of their releases is "previous game but worse"
This wasn't common knowledge at all, not even here. I had countless of arguments where I used "it's Fallout 4 in space" basically as an insult rather than a notion because the people defending Bethesda wouldn't get it. Now the game is out and we have some extreme revisionism going on, where these same Bethdrones are claiming it was never a space game to begin with. Lol! Just go to the archives and read any pre-launch Starfield thread. They didn't even believe it was going to be instanced so heavily, despite we the critics theorizing it. We would always hear the same ol "it's not out yet, you haven't played it yet, source source?" I mean I had these same excuses fly at me AFTER the early access was already out when I said there doesn't seem to be any lakes in this game. Their excuse was "you haven't played it yet, it's not fully out yet, nobody has explored all the planets."
>This wasn't common knowledge at all, not even here.
It really is, you're just too young to know.
What? I'm hitting middle age soon. I talk about pre-Skyrim days in this thread.
bethesda makes big games to introduce new genertions to vidya
you get to enjoy one or two of their games before you should move on
their games are great if you have never played a real game before
but the magic goes away if you have just a bit of experience
Bethesda hasn't made a good game in over a decade. Yeah you should be worried.
I think people are getting tired of fixing Bethesda's shit for free, so yeah you should be worried.
the modders have been hard carrying Bethesda for a decade. don't know how they do it. if i were in the modding community i would take games off, even for a slackass company like Bethesda which can't be fucked to release games often.
the only people who should be worried are snoys
nah, they'll release 6 eventually and it'll be a wreck, then modders will rip the game and put it in skyrim by using a random cave as a loading zone
yes. lower your expectations and stick with the upcoming skyrim mods.
Anything with half a brain was already worried when Fallout 4 released. Hell, not even worried just given up already.
No, by now you should not be worried, because you would have been worried around when you noticed how simplified Skyrim was compared to Oblivion and Morrowind. Then when Fallout 4 came out you'd accept that Bethesda is Sloppa company now. Then the worrying would die, because you would accept them as sloppa company, and Fallout 76 would have definitely solidified that if F4 didn't. But NOW? now you're worried? Now? You should be in "I know well what has become" land where you don't buy shit they make.
2030 release date at the earliest
Starfield is shit but can anyone tell me how to fix the slight input lag and mouse smoothing that makes gunplay make me wanna tear my liver out?
Or is it fault of the shit optimization and I should just suck it up and stick to melee weapons that seem rather okay?
Just make Porn game from it like Skyrim