Situation doesn't look so good for Nintendo
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Situation doesn't look so good for Nintendo
so it'll be 4 years of switch 2 flop, then something new that'll sell 100 million
doesn't seem that unknown
>We have no idea what the fuck we're doing and just throw shit at the wall until something sticks. Buy Mario!
no one wants this
>no one wants this
I want this.
If this existed I'd buy it day one, no matter the price.
Mobile game looking shit
I figure they just do switch but with some added gimmick, but the so called "normies" got already bored of the format, kids grew up and don't care about that stuff anymore.
Might be another wiiu and then the console after that will do well again
The Switch just sold the most consoles in the US in April. Why are you assuming people are tired of it?
this bro just created a whole 10 year scénario in his head
people have been begging for a simple hardware refresh for years.
literally all nintendo has to do is upgrade the internals and give it backwards compatibility. Sure NVN is a slight problem but storage is cheap enough now that 128GB of onboard NVMe is a no-brainer and people can just download patches to the old games.
even if it's only like 2TFLOPs it will absolutely KILL. even without a new headline launch title I think. playing TOTK at 1080p60 portable with decent battery life is enough to sell a few million of them. They can use hardware DLSS for 4K reconstruction.
I seriously don't understand how they can fuck up this hard.
>I seriously don't understand how they can fuck up this hard.
Chip shortage. They're probably stockpiling materials to make Switch 2.
it would imply they had already baked in the 2019 refresh when they originally bought the chips for 2017, assuming they just scaled up the order once they realized it was successful.
if they fumbled securing a contract during the pandemic I would be pretty surprised tbh, companies like Toyota figured that out easily and kept up with demand
that's one way they'd fuck it up. 1080p is still where it's at, given consoles cant even hit that at 60fps reliably.
>so called "normies" got already bored of the format,
zelda sold 10m copies in 3 days
The switch 2 is the easiest layup in history. Nintendo's audience now is 20-40 year olds with tons of disposable income (because they have no kids) and their IPs are ludicrously popular. All they need to do is launch with a 3D Mario and they sell 25m year one.
They're in "unknown territory" because ever since the Gamecube, they have steadfastly refused to simply make a "normal" console. Every box they put out has to be a gimmick machine to justify its existence since they refuse to compete on a technical level with Sony and Microsoft and they don't want to get out of the console business to become an exclusive software developer. So they make these weird gimmick boxes that have been wildly "hit or miss"
>The switch 2 is the easiest layup in history
People said the same thing about the "Wii 2" before we knew about the WiiU. History could very well be repeating itself for the reasons above
>People said the same thing about the "Wii 2" before we knew about the WiiU. History could very well be repeating itself for the reasons above
It's not comparable. The Wii was popular because of motion controls, something that couldn't be repeated. They tried with the tablet controller, but that was a lot less interesting when people already had phones and tablets that could do the same thing. The switch is popular because of the games. The games that will still be coming out on the next console. If you want to play the new Zelda or Animal Crossing there's not gonna be another place to do that.
Anon, it's exactly the same.
>They tried with the tablet controller
I'm talking about before the WiiU was even announced and before we knew what it even was. People were saying the EXACT thing you just said that "Wii2 is the easiest layup in history" given the Wii's success, and they fucked it up. We don't know WHAT the Switch2 is going to be. It could try something different that completely flops in the same way. We don't know yet.
>The switch is popular because of the games.
KEK. You're proving my point without even realizing it. The Switch's top selling games (Mario Kart 8, Smash, Breath of the Wild, etc.) are all remasters or ports of Wii U titles, yet they sold infinitely better simply by being on different hardware that people actually bought. If it was all about the games, the Wii U would have been a much better selling console since these games sold great on the Switch
>The games that will still be coming out on the next console. If you want to play the new Zelda or Animal Crossing there's not gonna be another place to do that.
Nintendo is counting on that. Yet that wasn't enough to move Wii U's, was it?
>Wii2 is the easiest layup in history
Still true, the problem is that they never made the Wii2.
>The Switch's top selling games (Mario Kart 8, Smash, Breath of the Wild, etc.) are all remasters or ports of Wii U titles
2 of the top 15 selling switch games are Wii U ports, 13 are original.
>"original" game albeit complete garbage
>"original" game albeit complete garbage
>GB game remake
>DS game remake
>Smash ultimate is an enhanced port
>completely new story mode
>double the characters/stages
>Different graphics/lighting systems
>Massive number of move adjustments/gameplay changes
Are you actually braindead?
>smash ultimate isn't an enhanced po-ACK
Are you aware that adding 2 to the name of something denotes a sequel?
In fact the processor for the switch's successor is using an API called "NVN2" compared to the "NVN" of the switch. Is the Switch 2 according to your logic an enhanced port of the switch?
It's absolutely an enhanced port. The only reason they were able to make Ultimate as big and bloated as it is is because they were able to copy/paste everything over from Smash4
holy shit no wonder tendie shitposting has been at critical levels, they have less than no games. There's nothing worse than games selling millions of copies and them all being shit. I feel for tendies I really do.
/v/'s current form is a rabid Sony fanboy that doesn't actually have anything to be a rabid Sony fanboy about, so he vents that energy off on other pursuits like pretending the Steam Deck is a Switch competitor and not a PC, and on relentlessly shitting on the other companies
literally every sony topic is shitposted to death. you can have a nintendo or pc gaming thread with minimal shitposting.
This post tells me you haven't been in Steam Deck threads.
Which ones are these? Which games are people discussing on the PS5?
PS5 threads are about making fun about the fact it has no games, saying PS4/5 exclusives do not count and saying all their exclusives are third person behind the back "moviegames."
People here suck Nintendo off for free and enjoy doing it because liking Nintendo is based and part of muh epic board culture.
surely there can't be a legitimate reason anybody would like nintendo, surely the console i dislike is only enjoyed by slack-jawed morons, morons, and the physically deformed like all the wojaks told me it is
>surely there can't be a legitimate reason anybody would like nintendo,
agreed. it's a cult thing like blizzard
nintendo actually makes video games, unlike blizzard
they make toys. they aren't video games.
video games are toys, anon
now that I'm thinking about it. Nintendo doesn't make games wtf are you talking about. when was the last time a notable nintendo title came out?
A week ago?
oh I forgot about that already. I have a very low opinion of zelda. what else have they made recently? as far as I was aware all they had was goyslop recently
Try harder next time.
yeah, and blizzard makes torture devices
To this degree of constantly shitposting how totk is game of the decade and forgiving chud shit in Xenoblade, another tree house tier translation in Engage and implied gay shit in Zelda? The shittiest paid online? 60 dollar Wii ports? Thinking that a game from 2017 still being 60 bucks is consumer-friendly? Having to buy an actual 70 dollar controller because the console gives you a meme one? Only Nintendo gets a pass
I wonder if they'll keep doing this with the Switch 2
for all the Wii U was retarded (and it was), one of the biggest problems was marketing. it was hardly marketed, and the marketing they did do left a majority of average buyers unsure on what it even was, so they skipped it, thinking it was some sort of Wii add-on
MK8, BotW, etc, didnt just sell poorly on the Wii U because no one wanted a console with a shit gimmick; they sold poorly because no one even really knew the wii U was a distinct console.
So long as the Switch 2 is called the Switch 2, or its something new and has a totally distinct name so its unambiguosly a new thing, itll already have a big leg up over the wii u clusterfuck
I disagree, I think the console-handheld multiform factor is the biggest Switch selling point. Take TotK. 10M in a very short time, but data has been showing Switch games don't have legs - they sell well initially and struggle to sell more. Happened to Xenoblade 3 and Pokemon.
And the Switch, like the Wii, appeals hard to casuals. I think if Nintendo wants to have continued success they need to make their next console backwards compatible with Switch l, have a good amount of casual slop, and continue with their current marketing demographic which are young adults, instead of fucking kids or ads with the "whole family."
>I disagree, I think the console-handheld multiform factor is the biggest Switch selling point.
Probably like half of people don't even use handheld, and it's probably more like 75% if you include people who rarely use it. The main reason they need handheld mode is for the Japanese market who spend all day on the train and have no room in their tiny box houses.
I'd disagree. Even if just anecdotally, people here apparently love using it as a handheld. Your point actually does apply to me, I frankly do not consider it a true nintendo handheld and use it more as a console, but I am apparently in the very small minority of people that do that.
NTA, but the games situation is funny. Hear me out. To me it seems like difference between Wii U Nintendo and Switch Nintendo in terms of games is that in the Wii U era they had no time to pump out casual shit that the public at large would consume because they knew the only people with Wii Us were their main, more 'hardcore" audience. Hence why mostly released "big games" like MK8, Smash, Star Fox, FExSMT (lmao), Hyrule Warriors and Xenoblade X.
Switch era Nintendo knows they have both their "main" more hardcore audience and a lot of casuals. Which is why they sometimes take 6+ months between big game releases and fill in the gaps with slop. Because it sells anyways and they can get away with it. For better or worse casuals are now a fundamental market for Nintendo.
switch has a strange phenomenon where people assume everyone plays it the same way as them, buys the same games as them, and uses the same features. nintendo has statistics that prove people use all the features of the device
How do you explain the existence of the steam deck?
>Switch games don't have legs - they sell well initially and struggle to sell more.
What the fuck
Pokémon tops chart every week
So is Mario kart and many others switch old games
Sure, but that's a problem. Those games cannibalize other Nintendo IP.
Look at stuff like Xenoblade 3 or Metroid Prime remastered. Very good initial sales but they struggle to sell afterwards. Look at Engage, look at Bayo 3, look at the Cereza game.
All that stuff is niche otaku shit. (yes, even Metroid).
>Look at stuff like Xenoblade 3 or Metroid Prime remastered. Very good initial sales but they struggle to sell afterwards. Look at Engage, look at Bayo 3, look at the Cereza game.
This has nothing to do with those games, it has to do with the state of the switch. The switch market is saturated, no new customers are coming in. Hardware sales are people rebuying the console to get a different version primarily the OLED. So it's expected that sales will be very front loaded.
Bruh are you really expecting a fucking big ass RPG or Metroid to sell as much as fucking Mario or Zelda? Nintendo has reasonable sales expectations for these titles, why don't you? Metroid is still strong, Dread has done extremely well, and it'll continue to be developed going into the future.
Engage isn't selling to Mario fans, Engage is selling to people that are potentially interested in Fire Emblem. Not meeting the expectations of the cooked-in fanbase from 3H is its struggle, not being choked out by Mario.
Likewise it's not like Bayonetta 3 got super giga acclaim. There's people that want more Bayonetta or action games that aren't just saddled with RPG stuff, and its decent sales numbers, being on par with Bayo 2's lifetime, speak to that, but the stuff like struggling performance, bad story, overly reliant on gimmick setpieces, etc. probably soured a lot of people on what could've been its longterm performance, likewise for the Cereza spinoff, which wasn't really going to grab people that wanted big flashy action stuff in the first place anyway.
There will be an audience hungry for more Platinum stuff as testament to Bayonetta and Astral Chain's being able to pierce the 1M mark, but they're not just gonna buy shit without scrutiny.
Nintendo is the only one of the big three that learned to stratify their productions and actually keep expectations reasonable. Sony is struggling under its own weight to crank out bloated AAA productions, and is panicking that in the future they can't just take a cut of COD money to fund it and just had to let go a bunch of people from studios working on their 10 service games projects like the ex-COD devs. Meanwhile Xbox is trying to solve the problem backwards with game pass but won't exercise any meaningful control over their studios to put shit out that people will want to play, instead just letting them go nuts with stupid shit like Bleeding Edge, Pentiment and letting a racing game studio make fucking Fable.
Dread's great, iirc it's sold the most a Metroid game ever has before.
It's better to have a lot of modest games with smaller budgets to cater to niche audiences than betting everything on one massive game that appeals to everyone
THIS. Not every game is gonna be a massive seller so budget your cost accordingly. That's why Nintendo has the best library out of all the consoles right now. They let AA titles have a home on their system.
>better library than PS4
good joke, korean thot
well yeah it'd hard to beat PC's library
oh you meant PLAYSTATION 4.
every switch game is on PC
emulator vs. native port moronrrrrrrrr
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
>frogposter doesn't understand what he just responded to
Many such cases.
yeah at 685w from the wall
congrats, you just played yourself
switch games emulate well even on modest hardware. what's your point?
my point was playstation games got native ports and switch games still have to be emulated, it's not the same ballpark
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
Emulated Switch games may as well be native for how good they run. I still don't understand what you're trying to say by this. Can you be specific about what's wrong with emulating them?
oh for christ's sake i'm not getting into a pissing contest about whether EMULATORS BAD or not i am SAYING that they are NOT NATIVE PORTS my FUCKING GOD
AHHHH BEHEAD CONSOLE WARRIORS AND YOU VS. ME Ganker WARRIORS
Tri/v/alism at its finest
you lost, Fred
PS4 library > Switch library
cope. switch > ps4
The problem is that people like that anon think that Nintendo fans are just this big group who like Nintendo as a company much like Sony fans but the reality is that there's no such thing, everyone is just a fan of an IP.
Zelda fans aren't necessarily Mario fans
FE fans aren't necessarily Xeno fans
Kirby fans aren't necessarily Pikmin fans and so on.
So basics they have this insane idea that if a game doesn't sell as well as Nintendo's best sellers that fans don't like it.
So if it only sells at launch it's bad but if it doesn't it's also bad?
He's probably a fire emblem/xenoblade shitposter. Those series follow the sales trends he stated of not having legs.
Pokemon has failed to surpass Red and Blue’s (the bestselling Pokemon game’s) sales with its Switch entries, even though it should have because it did for other franchises like Zelda and Kirby. Why has Switch magic failed to work for Pokemon?
Red and Blue's records are going to be unassailable unless Nintendo and Pokemon commit to a one game per console strategy.
And to imply subsequent Pokemon entries are a failure by any metric is absolutely deranged.
>unless Nintendo and Pokemon commit to a one game per console strategy.
How would that solve anything? More people would not buy Sword/Shield or Scarlet/Violet even if one of them were the only Pokemon game on the Switch.
>And to imply subsequent Pokemon entries are a failure by any metric is absolutely deranged.
For anything besides the Switch, sure, but the Switch has sold like crazy. Pokemon should’ve increased its sales likewise and surpassed its record like Kirby did with Forgotten Land. But this has not happened.
Because pokemon has sucked for a long time
You clearly weren't alive yet during the Pokemania to think that something like that could be replicable now.
And why can't Pokemania be replicated? More and more people are gaming now, and the Switch is selling like hotcakes. Why do people keep making excuses for Pokemon's failure to surpass Red and Blue?
Not him but there's no more monoculture like there used to be back when everyone got all their info from the same few TV shows and magazines.
A major component is that the Pokémon of Pokémania was not a video games franchise, it was the licensed merchandise of a highly successful cartoon.
And Pokemon is bigger than ever in its merchandise and anime, and yet it still can't surpass Red and Blue.
Were you alive back then?
>data has been showing Switch games don't have legs - they sell well initially and struggle to sell more.
Why would you lie ? Everybody knows switch games are the only ones having legs in the industry
>data has been showing Switch games don't have legs
mario kart 8 is a nine year old game and still shows up on top selling charts. how are you this retarded?
That’s a highly casual game that’s easy to get into. The same can’t be said for stuff like Xenoblade.
JRPGs that aren't Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy rarely "top sell" in the west anyways
>the IPs that arent literally fucking mario dont sell as well as literally fucking mario
yes. funny, that
They also don't require the budget of Mario and don't need to sell as much as Mario to turn a profit
Not everything related to Mario is an automatic smash hit. Mario RPGs and other Mario sports games don’t make particularly big numbers.
>the minaline mario games that literally say "super mario" on the cover and that everyone understands are classic mario platforming, as well as the kart series that pretty much defines its genre, sell better than the spinoffs that venture into more niche genres
youre on fire today, anon
Those are completely different audiences for MK8 and Xenoblade. They’re not competing at all.
>The switch is popular because of the games.
>This somehow magically does not apply to other Nintendo consoles that failed
>The only link is some blown out head canon of "Nintendo Magic"
the wiiu came out right as tablets became crazy mainstream, it’s not the gamepad’s fault. The console just had an incredibly weak launch window games lineup compared to the Wii.
The wii u wasn't a wii 2 though. It was some incomprehensible seemingly ill conceived ipad clone which in retrospect was just a switch beta test. A literal switch 2 that's just a more powerful switch would sell outsell the Wii u in its first quarter
If the Switch 2 boost Switch 1 graphs and doesn't completely shit the launch, then it's production rate will not keep up with demand.
Why is this so hard for you brainlets to understand? Or are you all just zoomers who were too young to remember this? I'm talking about BEFORE THE WII U WAS REVEALED AND WE KNEW WHAT IT WAS, just like RIGHT NOW WE DON'T YET KNOW WHAT THE SWITCH 2 IS GOING TO BE. THAT'S IT. THAT'S THE COMPARISON. Everyone said the Wii2 was going to be a "slam dunk" before we knew what it was, and then it wasn't. Is this really that hard to understand? Go play some fucking fortnite you illiterate zoomers
>Everyone said the Wii2 was going to be a "slam dunk" before we knew what it was, and then it wasn't.
Because they never made the Wii2, you don't seem to understand. The implication is no new gimmick like the tablet. Please, please understand.
>"NOT a Wii2"
Like I said... illiterate
You are functionally retarded, I need you to scrape together a few thoughts and understand that people were talking about a new iteration on the exact same gimmick as the Wii. That wasn't the console we got.
What more do you want? They both shared the "Wii" name, they both had motion controls, which was the primary selling point of the Wii in the first place, and the WiiU was the direct successor console to the Wii. Nintendo considered it the Wii successor - it was as close to a direct "sequel console" as we were ever gonna get
>DURRRR IT'S NOT THE EXACT SAME CONSOLE WITH THE EXACT SAME HARDWARE AND THE EXACT SAME CONTROLLER THEREFORE IT'S NOT WII2
You need to stop consuming microplastics. It's fucking your brain
>Everyone said the Wii2 was going to be a "slam dunk" before we knew what it was, and then it wasn't. Is this really that hard to understand? Go play some fucking fortnite you illiterate zoomers
Who's everyone? Journalists?
Developers' didn't have a strong opinion of Nintendo despite the Wii's success. With the Switch, Nintendo earned an unprecedented level of respect and support of so many studios and indie developers.
This doesn't refute your original point that we have no idea what route they're going to take with Switch 2, or that some people think it's going to be an automatic success but I'm just nitpicking.
>With the Switch, Nintendo earned an unprecedented level of respect and support
Nintendo always had that. Just not on their home consoles. I'm sure it's pure coincidence that Switch picked that up at the same time they killed off their "dedicated" handheld ecosystem.
>Nintendo always had that.
do you know ANYHTING about gaming's recent past? because nintendo didn't have that which is why they got in a situation like wiiu to begin with.
Like the fact that you would say
>nintendo always had that
makes me think you're either trolling or literally like 7 years old.
Sega and Sony's entire existence is because they got 3rd party dev support over nintendo for various reasons.
Developers were convinced the handheld market was doomed to the mobile boom to the point where even Capcom and even GAME FREAK were unsure of the Switch's future despite it being a handheld with a glorified HDMI port.
And indie developers weren't anywhere near as prevalent on the 3DS as they are on the Switch. But this is chalked up to the 3DS not having the developmental tool support in line with the rest of the industry.
no it was brilliant management
collapsing the home console and mobile teams into a single group means they were no longer competing internally and could share knowledge and focus on the same goal.
it also meant they had a limited problem space and reduced supplier count (until they fucked that up with the Switch Lite IMO)
Wiiu would have been fine, not huge success, if people knew it was a new console and not an addon. They completely fucked up the marketing.
Calling it "Wii 2" or "Nintendo revolution" would have quadrupled sales at minimum
The Wii had lost significant steam even by 2010. The audience was composed primarily of soccer moms and boomers who bought it for Wii Sports, Mario Kart and maybe a few shovelware titles. Skyward Sword was the last major title and sold about 3 million. Which is a big drop off from Twilight Princess which sold 7 million on the Wii. A Wii 2 was never going to succeed. Switch 2 however has all the potential to succeed once again.
they can't compete with Sony or Microsoft on a technical level even if they wanted to. Sony are an actual tech manufacturer so they can make most of their own hardware components for cost, Nintendo has to buy all their chips and transistors and shit on the market. Sony still sells hardware at a loss, and for nintendo to sell a console with equivalent specs they'd have to do so at a bigger loss or charge a higher price.
I mean, with how confident they are in their IP, and how frankly cultish their customers are, they could take the leap.
But Nintendo is very risk-averse with consoles, and the two times they tried to go toe to toe with Sony on specs they got blown the fuck out and then they got PS2'd. Plus, if their next console will once again consolidate handheld and console no way will they try to out bat Sony.
I frankly just want their first party shit like Zelda and Xenoblade to not be held back by the system they reside in, but I am sure 3rd party shit is of little interest to Nintendo - pretty sure they are happy getting last gen scraps.
>Sony are an actual tech manufacturer so they can make most of their own hardware components for cost, Nintendo has to buy all their chips and transistors and shit on the marke
You're clueless. Sony makes Displays and Cameras, not silicon. The PS5 is powered by AMD hardware, the Switch has an Nvidia/ARM chip in it. Both consoles are built by Foxconn
Cool. Great talk
To be honest Sony doesn't even make displays anymore. Their high end displays are just repackaged LG OLED. I'm not sure if they even manufacture the panels in LCD models.
>People said the same thing about the "Wii 2" before we knew about the WiiU. History could very well be repeating itself for the reasons above
No, that was Nintendo trying to make the Switch but failing. I agree that they should've made the "Wii 2" but their failure on the Wii U spearheaded the Switch's success.
Imo they shouldn't do a Ben Simmons and repeat the Wii U fiasco. Make a Switch 2 while making their "real" next quirky console after the Switch 2.
>they refuse to compete on a technical level with Sony and Microsoft
Whats the fucking point? Three INDENTICAL systems with INDENTICAL libraries of games bar the odd exclusive?
I have no idea why any of you mentally ill babies think this is healthy or a good idea.
Nintendo seem to be doing just fine doing their own thing. They're easily outselling Sony and Microsoft and a far better library of exclusives.
WiiU had bad marketing.
Switch had good marketing.
>25m year one
Not unless they're stockpiling chips beforehand. Console manufacturers are typically supply capped at fabs to ~15m chips a year.
Those numbers make no sense. The switch is 1/3rd the die size of a PS5. Since it'll be a handheld again, they'll have to work in the same kind of constraints again, so a similar die size is to be expected. With the same foundry capacity, they can make 3x as many SoCs as for example Sony.
Aren't they still getting rekt by Apple and car manufacturers getting higher priority for chips?
>We have the :O audience
Nintendo is so retarded though. All they need to do is make a switch that tightens the graphics on level 3 and can handle PS5 ports at a garbage resolution and 15 fps and that'll last them another 7 years. Instead they'll end up shitting out a console where you control Mario's mustache in the metaverse via anal contractions monitored via a stick you shove up your ass.
>Nintendo is so retarded though.
Nintendo is not a person. It was Iwata doing all that wacky shit and he's been dead for 8 years.
And that Mario anal play console will hit your stated sale goals for the "straightforward" game console that focuses on power to appease PS5 migrants, so why not go with the much weaker console that's cheaper to produce and fits in with their marketing ethos
Actually having a non-shit console will get them 3rd party like everyone else, and their own games won't run like shit.
Nintendo does not feel like it needs 3rd party to compete. There will never be a day where you have to decide whether you'll get the new Resident Evil or whatever on a Sony or Nintendo console because both are equally powerful.
except RE4 just came out and ran significantly better on ps4/5 than xbox. Because Capcom doesn't consider xbox a viable platform for their games. they didn't even port one of the megaman collections and no one even cared.
What does that have to do with Nintendo? Nintendo would be more than happy to get REmake 4 on Switch 2 in 5 years.
nintendo threads should be moved to the toy board.
1st party > 3rd party
>Actually having a non-shit console will get them 3rd party like everyone else
Clearly not if most third party devs are supporting them now as it is.
And the ones that don't are notoriously retarded (i.e. Ubisoft half-assing the Rayman Legends port because they wanted to cheap out on cartridge costs)
>and can handle PS5 ports at a garbage resolution and 15 fps
That'll be possible, until games on PS5/XSX release that are capped at 30fps again due to shit optimization. Also, every port to the switch is a greater effort than even a PC port, because you need to get it to run on an ARM processor. Since nintendo will almost definitely stick with nvidia, they will stay on ARM, so quick and easy ports will still not be a thing.
You are dumb. Nintendo's target audience will always be kids because those 20-40 year olds may have money but they don't have time. They are a toy company, not an 'entertainment' company and they're smart for choosing that path.
They've branched out and are expanding into a full fledged entertainment company. They haven't been just a toy company in decades. Their section in universal is only getting bigger and they confirmed to make more movies and TV shows based on their IPs.
So you’re saying tendies are man children? No shit.
just release a most powerful switch with FPS boost to 60, backward compatible and transfer your digital purchases to Switch2.
No more gimmicks.
you WILL rebuy all your digital games. you'll be lucky to have physical BC.
My fucking Wii broke and it had a ton of virtual console games on it. I send it to nintendo to fix it because it was still under warranty. they send me a new wii, all my saves gone, all my VC games gone, when I complain they told me too bad so sad.
true fucking story. fuck nintendo. complete garden gnomes.
Dunno, my vc carried on on wiiu
VC when it first launch had no account. it was literally linked to the fucking hardware. It was 2007 and I was like 13 so I didn't know any better. If I had known what I know now I would've instead committed war crimes against nintendo
Mine broke and before I sent it in they checked my account and saw I had over $700 worth of downloaded games. Somehow they were able to take care of my problem with my games in tact and when I got my Wii U, I transfered the games over to that since that's an actual feature of the Wii U.
Maybe it was because you were 13 and didn't know what you were doing. Still unfortunate.
>it was literally linked to the fucking hardware
And that's the crux of your rant.
Digital games are now linked to the NSO account and Nintendo multiple times expressed that they want to carry it forward together with current NSO users.
Not allowing for those games to be playable on Switch 2 would deal a huge blow to NSO subscribers and the money they generate
>No more gimmicks
The Switch IS a gimmick. The only difference here is people aren't crying and shitting themselves over it being a gimmick like they did with the Wii and Wii U.
A "no gimmicks" console would be an "Ultra Nintendo" (play on Super Nintendo) with a traditional controller design that MS and Sony use and is a regular, uses regular discs that MS and Sony uses, TV play only console, and focuses more on the horsepower than anything else. That would be a no gimmick console for Nintendo. The Switch 2 is just continuing with the Switch gimmick.
>The Switch IS a gimmick
No, hybrid is just another form factor. It's like you'd say being portable is GameBoy's gimmick, or being a home console is Xbox Series X's gimmick.
Switch's gimmick is HD rumble
It's a gimmick whether you want to phrase it as that or not. It's a good gimmick, but its still a gimmick all the same.
This. They could have even called it Nintendo Cafe and it would have done infinitely better. People have literally written papers about how bad of a job Nintendo did with Wii U's marketing. I remember multiple students chosing the Wii U as a case study for their marketing capstone in my college back in 2014
>playing your old games on new hardware
True. Just make a more powerful Switch and release Mario Odyssey 2 with tons of reused assets, instant record breaking launch. Too bad Nintendo is retarded and will fuck up somehow.
>The switch 2 is the easiest layup in history
so was the wii yet we got the pee poo
Doubt it will sell as much as the Switch, but they need to fuck up real hard for it to sell as few copies as the Wii U.
They could totally sell as much as the switch by expanding in China. Their growth rate in china has been pretty high. Even without a pandemic they can get back up to 130m sales again with 15-20m chinese sales.
No it isn't. There were only only 1 million sold there LTD after a two year launch. The chinks do not care for consoles, let alone the switch.
>No it isn't. There were only only 1 million sold there LTD after a two year launch. The chinks do not care for consoles, let alone the switch.
That 1 million sales was less than a year after launch and that was the official version, and literally all sources say the imported version outsells it by a lot, for obvious reasons (more games available, less censorship).
>That 1 million sales was less than a year after launch
That was since launching in 2019 and the report came out in 2021, so you're full of shit. There have also been zero (0) updates since then.
Also that figure was units shipped to the country by Nintendo, not units purchased by consumers. customer purchases are going to be lower than available units.
Nintendo cucks will lap up whatever they release. Just slap a pokemon or zelda sticker and you're good to go
PS5 has more games than switch just by virtue of all third parties that skip the shitch altogether.
>PS5 would have 2 games if not for 3rd party support
Yeah. That's why they're shitting their pants over the MS/Activision deal.
Excuse you?! Fucking Switch is a port remaster machine. I see every fucking shitty mobile and Pc game up in its store. Even mobile FNAF rip offs that don't get any other console release.
By merit, the Switch IS a shovelware machine. Don't spout shit about no games, snoy. You're calling the kettle black
Journos are retarded. This reminds me of rain surplus in California this year and Journos who complained about yearly Drought spam "why this is bad"
It was bad because California is run by retards who built no reservoirs during the years of drought and the record rainfall mostly washed right back into the ocean.
I don't even know what I want their next console to be, probably slimmer and focusing on handheld with built-in controllers. Hopefully they see the 'eck as a challenger.
Nintendo has always cared about the handheld market since the original Game Boy, the majority of their sales are the GB, DS and Switch lineup. The next handheld will be powerful, but PC gays and Sony Ponies will expect a $400 handheld to output 4k on a small screen and have a 30 hour battery life.
People still don't realize that Nintendo has a new CEO who is very different from the pre-switch one (Iwata). Iwata was a moron, and that's why they were able to repeatedly fumble the ball despite their popular IPs. Instead of taking guaranteed easy wins he would try wacky shit that sometimes worked and sometimes didn't. Iwata was fundamentally a gambler. Furukawa plays it extremely safe, he just looks at what is popular and delivers it. The switch 2 wont have a gimmick, because it isn't being made by Iwata. It's gonna be the switch...2. The games will be iterative improvements of switch games in the way TotK is to BotW, they're not going to try to reinvent the wheel.
Iwata went with a "blue ocean" approach - he wanted to fill niches no one else did. So yes, sometimes things flopped, sometimes they didn't but the Switch is very much his brainchild.
I do not know where you get this idea Furukawa would play it safe, I agree that logically it is the best decision as you don't wanna have your first console flop, but then again, he might believe the Blue Ocean thing entirely.
>but the Switch is very much his brainchild.
I am really tired of people giving him credit for the switch. He died 2 years before it came out, and he was likely severely ill for at least a year before that. The guy barely had anything to do with the switch and 99% of the switch's first party lineup likely had no involvement from him whatsoever. If you want to give some credit to that old bald guy who replaced him go ahead, but Iwata doesn't get credit for a console he had barely anything to do with just because you liked his funny videos in the directs.
>anon has no idea about how game development and company works
I think a lot of people are mistakenly believing that the ROG Ally and Deck owners are the same market as people who buy a Switch. And it just doesn't make sense to me really. Both of those devices are complex to operate in comparison and don't appeal to the blue-hair zoomer girl that just wants to spend $250 on a Switch Lite and Animal Crossing so she send fruit to her friends or whatever they do in that game.
>trying new things bad
>mindlessly pandering to customer base GOOD
I didn't realize capital investors posted on Ganker.
The switch 2 is the easiest thing to do since the snes. Just release a console with similar layout and more power, and allow people to play their switch library on it.
Simple as. But yeah Nintendo might get in their own way trying to force a gimmick on it.
"experts" also thought the Switch would flop
don't listen to them
They could simply do a console with good hardware and no gimmicks and that would sell well, people buy the switch for the games not for the stupid gimmicks. If you want to add in a gimmick just do miiverse 2.
without the gimmicks what would Nintendo be though?
The switch gimmick of being both handheld and on tv just holds it back. And honestly people either use it fully handheld or fully on tv, nintendo had completely normal consoles up to the gamecube.
You're not wrong from a hardware perspective. Straddling the two formats makes it a worse system for both. However, it is immeasurably valuable for Nintendo and their third parties to have only one platform to support. This is just how it's going to be from now on.
Never trust experts
>The Vita will DEMOLISH Nintendo
>The Wii U is going to sell GANGBUSTERS - Preorder while you still can
>The Switch will flop and all Nintendo games will move to Playstation
>all Nintendo games will move to Playstation
god i wish this happened
Same. Or that Japan just embraced PC totally. I own a PS5 and Switch, but only because the types of game I play are catered to consoles. The moment they stopped, the moment Japan starts treating PC like the place to be is the day I build one.
>PlayStation home consoles always sell
Sony is scared shitless of the MS Activision merger for a reason bro.
Nintendo switching over to AMD hardware is the only future it also resets emulator development, AMD has proven mobile performance and optimization over Nvidia which abandoned all their gaming SoCs.
Nintendo has such a huge bank of ARM knowledge though considering the history of the Gameboys and DS. They aren't going to abandon ARM, but they may actually go RISC-V eventually. It's really unlikely right now but the cost savings on the core licensing alone would increase profit margin significantly.
AMD and CISC machines in general are just too hot and power consumptive. Nintendo has always hated expensive and thermally inefficient consoles. They design around it.
So leaving ARM would mean abandoning and alienating their internal ARM talent (of which they just spent an inordinate amount of time retraining the home console team to, away from custom silicon) and also making more expensive and hot consoles. It's just not Nintendo.
That's possibly the best example of why I firmly believe anyone even thinking nintendo would go with AMD should be considered too retarded to live.
I mean there's an argument in there, somwhere. A retarded and misguided one, but sure. Nintendo could go with AMD and have them build a custom 10w chip that they're allowed to underclock to 7w in mobile. and it would probably run, technically.
but once you factor in the actual people this becomes downright boneheaded. Nintendo is a Zaibatsu. Betraying Nvidia after such a huge success would be so dishonorable it would probably get some executives merc'd by nvidia yakuza ninjas. And they aren't going to throw away 30 years of collective experience on ARM arch across hundreds of people for maybe $10-20 per unit. Just doesn't make sense considering they have a formula that actually WORKS.
If they can hit 3TFLOPs there's plenty of PS4-era games they can fit in a 10w package and churn out ports of games that people will actually BUY AGAIN because it's useful to be able to take your games with you and start/stop them instantly.
I'm looking forward to playing Gravity Rush on my Switch 2 in 2025
>They aren't going to change providers because the console sold a lot!
The Wii some a lot too and that used an ATI cheap. They probably will stick to Nvidia but that'll be for backwards compatibility, not muh honor
AMD bought ATI you silly billy. Part of the reason the Wii U was so underpowered was because they stuck with ATI (AMD) because of the success of the Wii.
Considering botw runs on both wiiu and switch, with minimal changes, and the switch came out 5 years later, the switch is even more underpowered than the wiiu in comparison to the competition
they should unironically use apple's m2.
but that'll never happen.
The fear is funny. Just don't call it Switch 2 or Switch U or the normies get confused. They cannot count to potato.
Their path forward is clearly just updating the mobile tablet hardware. Maybe add some new gimmick shit like HD Rumble.
>PlayStation home consoles always sell
Eventually outsold Microshaft's RROD crap.
only because MS was seriously drinking the stupid juice with kinect, and I say this as someone who bought a PS3 and never had a 360.
The worst Sony produced and it still outsold the xbox because Microsoft were too busy trying to copy the Wii.
I used to think it was because of no games but the PlayStation 5 has proven me wrong. People buy consoles with no games.
So what was it? Kinect wasn't what killed 360, that was the Water Cooler console that came after.
You don't have to play dumb. PS5 sells because it gets just about every third party game, be it western or jap plus first party games. If Sony lost access to a good portion of third party games, maybe their fortune would change.
nice picture of the greatest gaming console of all time
But, I thought Nintendo was a cult that always sold no matter what? Seems like you're saying Sony is exactly that.
Oh no, they'll have TWO successful systems alive at the same time. This is unprecedented for Nintendo, has literally never happened. What do you mean "up until the Switch, they always had a handheld and a console tag-teaming?"
Still waiting on my 3DS successor, Nintendo
Retroid Pocket Flip is the closest thing, if you specifically mean a handheld. Yes I am aware the system isn't as powerful and it's not up to Nintendo's manufacturing snuff.
The Switch 2 needs:
>backwards compatibility with Switch games
>backwards compatibility with the Switch's pro controller
>1080p and 60fps when portable or docked
>screen is 1-2 inches bigger than the Switch
>get rid of the awkward removable joy-con bullshit, and have it be like the Switch Lite. When you dock it, you just use a pro controller.
>Mario Odyssey 2 and Metroid Prime 4 are launch games. Next Smash comes months later.
>1080p and 60fps when portable
1080p is wasted on a 7-inch screen and represents an unnecessary performance goal that will keep it from getting 60fps
source: switch is already 720p on its screen and most games struggle to maintain 60 without dynamic resolution
higher resolutions could let them do labo style vr but better. i'm hoping for 7 inch 1440p oled
please learn what "targeted performance" means
you fell for the marketing huh.
vr is dead, facebook killed it, and sony/valve dont care for it anymore, 85 wont be a thing again until 2034
>get rid of the awkward removable joy-con bullshit,
>Bro get rid of the most interesting part of the whole system! Don't refine the idea of removable controllers and customizable controllers!
>The Switch 2 needs:
compatibility with Switch games
you know they're not doing this
>GBC can play GB games
>GBA can play GB and GBC games
>DS can play GBA games
>3DS can play DS games
>Wii can play GC games
>WiiU can play Wii games
Why wouldnt they? They have a good track record.
is 1-2 inches bigger than the Switch
gross no. if anything switch needs to be smaller. buy some glasses or something grandpa
Reminder: Nintendo will release the next console with ZERO BC. there will not be a switch pro. or switch 2.
all your games on the switch are on the switch forever. They'll port Tears of the kingdom and Smash ultimate and charge you $70 AGAIN
>Reminder: Nintendo will release the next console with ZERO BC. there will not be a switch pro. or switch 2.
I hope it happens just for the salt, not that it matters tendies will smear that shit in their faces with a smile
Switch 1 barely had any games. I don't even understand how Nintendo isn't pumping out more games. Most of their games are similar in style to what they've been pumping out for years. It can't be that hard to make another Yoshi game, or some more sidescrollers.
>Reminder: Nintendo will release the next console with ZERO BC. there will not be a switch pro. or switch 2.
If you actually look up switch 1st party games it had substantially more than any other Nintendo console. The reason why it might "feel" like there are less games is because they have expanded their number of IPs so maybe you don't personally care about a lot of their new games like Splatoon or Ring Fit or Xenoblade or Mario+Rabbids or Bayonetta 3 for example. But that doesn't make them not games.
those are toys not games.
they release a new game every month. a lot of those games are ports albeit but that has more to do with nintendo's marketing policies than their game production abilities
>It can't be that hard to make another Yoshi game, or some more sidescrollers
Why even bother with a follow up with the Switch at this point?
There hasn't been a significant upgrade in hardware from one gen to the next for 2 decades now, ride this Switch wave while you can still pump out Nintendo titles and indie shit until it's not worth it anymore. It's only 6 years old at this point and could go another 2 easily since we know the public at large isn't clamoring for 'new thing' when current is good enough
>Why even bother with a follow up with the Switch at this point?
Firstly, about half of Nintendo's profit comes from hardware sales. So as hardware sales die down their profit will fall.
Second, they want to have at least some third party games and as developers start transitioning over to the PS5 that's gonna get harder and harder. You can see how immensely the Harry Potter devs are struggling to get the game on switch with it being repeatedly delayed.
they should probably cut their losses and make panic button port it, that company successfully got doom 2016 and doom eternal running on switch with a steady-ish framerate and enough visual fidelity to at least be able to see what you're doing
I doubt the hardware makes them that much profit with online subs and digital sales. Third party means nothing to Nintendo and hasn't for a long time and even then they got Indies to sustain them
>I doubt the hardware makes them that much profit with online subs and digital sales.
They're probably making like 70-80 bucks per console minimum, and they sold 18m last year. Do the math, that's a fuckload of money. Nintendo isn't Sony, they make profit off hardware especially late in a gen when they're using a chip from 2015 and 4gb of ram and a 720p screen in 2023.
With online at $20 minimum and digital games going at $60 still it's easier to make money from digital especially since it's continual rather than one time. Sure, say they made $80 from the hardware but if the average person buys their online for say three years and that two game deal they just made $160 minus maybe a few cents for servers and maintenance.
To be honest I'm probably lowballing it a lot with the 80 dollars per console. They sell the switch for $300 and this tech is extremely old at this point. I would not be surprised if they're making $150 per console sale.
nintendo makes a lot of money from hardware. they probably make $100 for each switch sold. on top of that they make money from extra controllers, new docks, carrying cases, ect. my estimation is that it accounts for 60% of their revenue and 30% of their profits
because the switch is a load of hot garbage. they joycons drift, the ui is boring, it doesn't have voicechat, media apps or a web browser. they aren't going to fix the switch so the best we can hope for is that they release a new console, hopefully with new features and more power
A lot of people miss the point entirely that its nice to have your pixel game or other low performance game running on a tablet. Sometimes you dont need to or want to have a 800 watt PC or a PS5 spinning the disc for a pixel game at thousands of RPMs.
And then when COD Black Ops 7 Steel Ball Run isn't released on any Playstation what will be your excuse then?
You don't need to be an "insider" to know It'd be a struggle for Nintendo to to make a new console. The hybrid form factor is locked if they're not retarded, but backwards comparability is the real issue. Does Nintendo keep partnered with Nvidia for assured backwards compatibility by retaining the same architecture, or does Nintendo switch over to AMD who has more capable (and probably cheaper because of scale) APUs? If Nintendo switches over to AMD and buys a bunch of Van Gogh chips, which the Steam Deck uses, we'll get a repeat of the wiiu situation where Nintendo sells people their games back to them, possibly at a markup to 70 dollars. Consumers would be pissed, but to be honest people will buy the switch 2 anyway because of the strength of Nintendos first party games.
We already know Nintendo went with Nvidia again because of the hack.
I'm not surprised. Nvidia probably gave a sweet deal, because if they didn't AMD would be the uncontested supplier of chips in the home console space.
>I'm not surprised. Nvidia probably gave a sweet deal, because if they didn't AMD would be the uncontested supplier of chips in the home console space.
It's more likely because Nintendo helped fund development of the chip, which Nvidia uses in cars and data centers. It's a situation where both Nvidia and Nintendo happen to want the same product so it works out for both to work together on it.
nvidia will never give anyone a sweet deal they even fucked over tsmc during rtx 30 gen despite 2 decades of working together with them
Which consoles are Nvidia based? as far as i am aware it's only the switch.
OG Xbox was back in the day. Nvidia famously gave microsoft a shit deal which is one reason they killed it early.
PS3 and the OG xbox are the only two home consoles so far with Nvidia GPUs.
They'll probably do what they did with the wii to wii u virtual console games and market the transfer as an upgrade. Nintendo could just add fsr to switch games played on switch 2 and charge 5 bucks per game for the upgrade.
they should add a second slot for Switch2 cards and a backward compatible slot of Original Switch. Device could be 1cm bigger.
>Consumers would be pissed, but to be honest people will buy the switch 2 anyway because of the strength of Nintendos first party games.
Why didn’t that work for the Wii U?
The Wiiu sold like shit because Nintendo failed at marketing it. People thought the Wiiu was just an extra tablet peripheral for the wii, not an actual console. Consumers have to be treated like they're idiots when it comes to marketing, and slapping a number at the end of the name is the simplest and most surefire way of convincing consumers you have a new product. There's never any confusion as to which playstation is the latest because Sony beat everyone to the punch by numbering their consoles. Microsoft literally can't number their xboxes because then they will always be one number below the current playstation and consumers will assume the Playstation is newer/better because the 5 in PS5 is higher than the 4 in Xbox 4. Likewise, Nintendo isn't gonna name their next console the Nintendo Switch 2 because then their console will be unfavorably compared to the PS5, because 5 > 2. It sounds retarded, but millions get poured into research for marketing to prove these small things actually have a huge impact.
it wasn't "just marketing lol"
the console was way underpowered at the time, to the point where nobody wanted to develop for it as a third party
couple that with significant shift in architecture to x64 on Sony/MS side and most third parties abandoned the custom POWER design forever.
Part of the reason Nintendo decided to abandon POWER architecture and shift to ARM for both home and mobile (instead of just mobile) is because they could instantly inherit all of the developers and IP that Sony simply abandoned with the death of the Vita.
You are 100% right about the naming scheme though. It will be something silly like "Switch Neo"
BOTW was designed for Wii U and ported to Switch. TOTK does not and cannot run on Wii U. The Switch is significantly more powerful than the Wii U and operates at 1/10th the power draw.
I should have been more clear with my post, the Wii U's weird architecture AND being underpowered is what killed it. Also developing for the gamepad was a nightmare. They pretty much fucked up in all ways. But it was a good test run to get their mobile and home console teams working together on the same project.
>it. People thought the Wiiu was just an extra tablet peripheral for the wii, not an actual console
Literally me in that time.
I only heard that wiiu was a real console way later. When it basically died.
I got a steamdeck that's all I need until steamdeck 2
give it back jamal
They LITERALLY just need to make a Switch 2, having it backwards compatible with both Switch 1, DS & 3DS games, and improve the specs across the board a little. It's the easiest T-Up Nintendo have built for themselves in their entire existence.
>dude just make it stronger and play all the games
Dumber than the average take on Ganker
Unironically, yes. It's insanely fucking simple, but tendies have had Mario stockholm syndrome for decades and don't realize the big N are being massive garden gnomes not providing an easy to implement feature that let's you use your physical collection you already own vs nickel and diming you for $70 ports every single gen.
Nintendo probably won’t make a switch 2 till the end of the decade. The Gameboy’s last game was released in 2002. The only thing that will make Nintendo change course is the piracy problem. The fact they are courting denuvo for current software shows they still aren’t married to the idea of a new system. They just want the switch to coast.
>Nintendo probably won’t make a switch 2 till the end of the decade
Sharp's CEO said a few weeks ago that they're prototyping supply lines for a screen they're making for a next gen video game console. So unless you know another next gen video game console that's using a screen, then the switch 2 is releasing in 2024.
How many redesigns did the original gameboy go through? The GBC was essentially the DSI and “new” line the 3DS had. You are setting yourself up for disappointment just like how people just knew the OLED was going to be “the pro”.
there are. sony's new next gen handheld leaked just recently. microsoft hasn't announced anything yet but with all the steam deck and ally stuff going around I wouldn't be surprised if they jumped into the market
Microsoft seems more worried about trying to kill the Steam Deck than they are competing with it. Surprisingly, patent-trolling Valve through Corsair didn't end up working.
insiders been saying this about nintendo for forever
do weebs really?
don't know the code but the girl is Mei Washio
The just need to make sure that they distinguish the new consoles
Also anyone hoping for backwards compatibility will be disappointed
They saw they could milk anything and tendies would buy it
The switch was the power of a 10 year old console but portable and dockable. If the switch 2 is the power of a PS4 but otherwise identical to the switch people will lap it up. Launch it with a next gen mario, enhanced TOTK port and a few popular PS4/Xbone era games that the original switch couldn't handle and it'll sell itself.
Switch 2 will flop
Someone leaked the switch 2 in another thread like a month ago and people mostly ignored it. I totally believe that post saying it's a 3ds/switch hybrid.
>that post saying it's a 3ds/switch hybrid.
NINTENDO SWITCH CONFIRMED
I wish I could have more powerful console that's not handheld, I don't remember the last time I played with Switch when in handheld.
I feel that with their current success they could just make a weaker Series S, games should hit 1440p but struggle, 30fps is the cap for most snd framerate is inconsistent, but people will still have the
>but you will still buy it because it's Nintendo
attitude, even laugh about it, make the thing super successful, and still be stuck wishing it was more powerful.
It's a handheld. Why would you expect it to perform as well as a console with a much larger chip that can use 75w?
Anything more than 1080p in docked mode would be a poor use of processing power.
Switch is a good design, just has old tech. Ideally I would want the next iteration to focus on low power/battery consumption and use DLSS in handheld mode, with external power and cooling in the dock for running modern games in better resolution.
People will just buy whatever it is. If it's a Switch with slightly more powerful hardware just about capable of rendering the average 720p title at 1080p people will buy it, even if there's no backwards compatibility and they charge you again for it (just like they did with a few Wii U titles and of course, like they always do with the virtual console). TotK sold like hotcakes, so it doesn't matter what they put out, it will still sell.
If third party developers are willing to port their games to it on top of Nintendo's in-house releases it will sell. It's that simple.
port their last-gen games*
Like Mortal Kombat 1?
No, like Red Dead 2
They will never get Switch numbers because the it was boosted so heavily from COVID and Animal Crossing. I really hope they don't go full retard again like with the Wii U
I really do believe this. And then this AC went on to be the least fucking supported one. That team only has Splatoon on the brain because of how fucking popular it is in Japan, I imagine.
Animal Crossing as some DLC packs, but I don't believe they sell well. They used to try amiibos for them, but everyone just spoofs them or buys fakes on etsy. I don't think it's a game that's worth it to them to support since middle aged women don't keep up with game news, let alone buy the content.
Honestly there's probably enough money in whatever remaining future GC/Wii/Wii U ports there that Switch 2 could be BC with the current system without losing that much money.
Nintendo is in the best position they've ever been. They'd have to fuck things up on purpose for a switch 2 to fail
Switch 2 won't flop like Wii U did.
All they have to is market it as a better Switch.
It worked wonders for PS5.
kek imagine if the switch successor gimmick is a home console and a handheld but separate
they both have the same cpu and run the same games but the home console has massively faster gpu and is as fast as ps5/xsx
a lot of products nowadays carry the moniker ultra, they can easily call them nintendo ultra and nintendo ultra lite
they couldn't do that. because then some games would be exclusive to the ultra. it would be the same as putting out a GC and a GBA but calling the GBA a GC lite. It creates a lot of confusion and people would not be happy
Just make a more powerful switch that can run PS4/xbone level graphics that can also do backwards compat with original switch games with resolution upscaling.
It's literally all you need.
Fuck that, should at least be 1440p with HDR in console mode. Target 60fps at 1080p
I want it to be backwards compatible with wiiu and 3ds games, and carry them from my Nintendo shop account...
>he bought a piiu
It was great
That's only true if they go full console. I don't think a handheld can handle that kind of fidelity currently, can it? I've been out of the mobile loop for awhile.
That said, yes, this is the "correct" solution but Nintendo doesn't know how to just iterate anymore. They'll do something to make it unique, which in turn usually helps them justify being significantly behind competitors in terms of power.
Switch is already in between the 360/PS3 and the xbone/PS4 generations in terms of power so full xbone/PS4 level power in a device 6 years newer should be easy and cheap.
It's so simple, just do the switch again but the dock has an egpu built in.
>Add better GPU
>Add better CPU
>Add an additional GPU and CPU to the new dock
>Call it the Nintendo Swap
It would sell a gorillian.
Nintendo will fuck it up by making the switch 2 be called something like the "switch dock" with a gimmick that the dock will have an oled screen or something built in. Then fail to sell more than 3 million units because everyone thinks it's just a monitor for the regular switch. Either that or they make the switch 2 and name it "switch pro", so nobody buys it because they think it's a midlife update rather than a new console.
Personally, i'm convince nintendo will never release another console and just keep riding the switch dick. Prebuilt PC models used to have a market life of like 15 years at one point, technology is stagnant enough that this may be feasible again.
The novelty factor is done, it's gonna sell worse than the Switch unless they come up with a gimmick
Not just you, but it's incredible how it feels like we're repeating the Wii again. People are calling for Nintendo to just make a "Switch 2" while the rest of us are saying people aren't going to buy that since the gimmick has gotten old. That and you'll get "do we REALLY need another Switch, this one works fine" for the large majority of the people who bought the Switch and are just fine with it so long as it keeps getting games.
Nintey aren't stupid enough to repeat mistakes like the wii u.
What was the Wii U's mistake?
Overpriced because two screens
Lack of games at launch
People always forget thelat wiiu launch was more than decent, it just couldn't keep up and it took to long for system sellers to arrive. Also lost 3rd party support by not allowing ea origins
well they just put out Totk so it's practically a guarantee they won't have a Zelda at launch
The name was retarded too. I didn't care about nintendo shit and seriously thought the Wii U was some add-on for the wii. Honest to god i don't know what the actual console looks like to this day.
My predition is it will be hot garbage with the worst controller ever conceived by man.
it's unironically crazy how badly the Switch flopped compared to Steam
genuinely impressed that Ganker is the only place on the entire internet that took this seriously, ironically or not
and the nick smash bros. died from incompetence on nickelodeon's part lol
>100% scrimblo roster
A meme word used to describe "mascot characters". Started when people were trying to troll Crashfags and Banjofags when Ultimate rosterfagging was at its most cancerous.
They sometimes use "cereal mascots" too as an insult.
Usually Nintendo releases gimmick consoles. Switch is functionality. It lets you seamlessly go from gaming on the couch to throwing it in your backpack and playing anywhere. It solves the problem of consoles being tied to the TV or handhelds not being able to be played on the TV.
>no problem solved, dumb gimmick added to try and be fun
>Wii U Gamepad
>no problem solved, dumb gimmick added to try and be fun
>No longer stuck playing Pokemon on the couch on a handheld when you can't play it on a TV. Take your games with you.
Switch being hybrid handheld/console isn't a fad or a gimmick, it's a legit solution to a problem of having to have a handheld and console gaming device. If what comes after the Switch isn't a hybrid, normalfags who leave their homes and take their Switch with them will still bring their Switch with them because it's the only thing that's easy to be brought anywhere.
The situation looks "bad" because all Nintendo can do now is release hybrid consoles. I remember packing up my Wii U for holidays to play Smash with siblings. Now I just throw Switch and dock in the case and I'm done. Lots of normalfags go through that and they absolutely love it.
considering Nintendo's primary audience is a bunch of mouthbreating morons who enkoy playing sub-par experiences on shit hardware, i doubt they'll have many issues.
I think Nintendo is having a tough time thinking how they can add a new gimmick that doesn't impair Switch compatibility.
This is what would get them my money:
>backwards compatible with every Nintendo game ever
>sell me the controllers if you want as well (GameCube, wii, Super Nintendo)
>720p @60 fps for every single game ever released on handled mode and 1080p @60 fps for docked
> more comfortable joy cons with good sticks that feel like they came out in 2020+ not in the mid 90s
> slightly bigger screen (oled ofcurse)
All Nintendo has to do is literally make the switch, but with better hardware. That's it. But knowing Nintendo they'll just turn it into some dumb gimmick.
Gimmicks produced one of the best-selling consoles and marketing campaigns of all time.
2 MORE WEEKS TRUST THE PLAN
I for one can't wait for Switch U
How about the switch that plugs into a new video card and processor in docking mode so I can play games above 20fps and 480p?
Real dive vr when?
It is because they are dumb and won't make it backwards compatible. Yeah then you will lose your money making base.
if switch 2 were backwawrds compatible, what SoC would it even use?
Probably still a Tegra based SoC. Though this time without being able to short a joycon pin and coldboot things.
For best results, it needs to stick with nvidia's chips.
if Nintendo was smart they would have already talked to Nvidia about securing tail-end Ampere chips with A78 cores (A76 would be the low-end, praying they didn't pick these) back in 2019 when they refreshed to Mariko
this would hypothetically allow for about quadruple the memory bandwidth and utilize an older 8nm node process so they can maintain per-chip profit margin compared to a 4nm that would be required for an AMD setup.
these would still be ARMv8.2-A chips though, so hypothetically a lot easier to get older switch games to run on than an ARMv9 chip (which aren't even out yet I believe)
the RAM situation is the bigger problem. I don't think Nintendo is going to be able to get away with such a small amount of RAM on the next machine. 4GB DDR4 was really pushing the lower end and nowadays that would be 8GB. 12GB would be the sweet spot but it implies lower RAM pricing and DDR5 gaining more saturation and economies of scale than it currently has.
Having more RAM means more third-party ports, simple as.
Switch 2 gimmick will be VR. The switch main unit will be able to slide into a plastic headset like the ones that they already sell for phones. Joycons are already function as VR controllers so it's a no brainer.
VR is a dead end. If Nintendo of all companies has been generally uninterested in it this entire time, they're not going to jump on the bandwagon this late in the game.
I wouldn't trust nintendo to design proper vr controls
I just want more 2D Metroid games. I couldn't care less about anything else they make at this stage in my life.
God Dread was so fucking good
Wasn't "multiple devices on the same OS" one of the original features they touted for NX? I was expecting them to crank out new revisions every other year when I heard that.
In hindsight it probably refers more to things like the smartphone family-controls.
Why do we need a Switch 2?
Why do we need hardware that runs at a decent framerate?
You have the deck for that matter.
Would you pay 400$ for a switch 2?
MAKE ME A HOME CONSOLE YOU COWARDS
If they gave it to 60 FPS capabilities with some stronger internals, it would be even more successful than the first Switch, maybe better resolution capabilities, but the screen would need to be larger, so I'm not sure if that would work. I think the screen size is fine, if you could hit 1080p in undocked mode that would be insane, and then give it 60 FPS and we're golden.
>, it would be even more successful than the first Swit
It would be considerably less successful due to the amount of money that would have to go into it.
It would have to sell double the amount the switch has now at an increased price to be as successful.
>Implying their main source of revenue isn't selling games
That's revenue, not profit. You have to substract material cost from production of games and consoles to get profit
>That's revenue, not profit
Yes, revenue, the thing you said.
their main source of revenue
Oh then my mistake
You know how there's people that refuse to buy a PS5 because they already have a PS4? It's the same issue if there's no massive difference other than performance between the consoles and Nintendo does cross gen to not alienate their 120 million, or whatever the number is at now, switch owners. Better FPS and graphics aren't really going to be a huge selling point to the average Switch owner that....does not care about FPS or graphics because they're used to Switch games.
So then they have to give people a reason to buy one before something new comes out to steal peoples attention. Think of it this way, if they do 3 years of cross gen then we'll be right at the time for a PS6/Xbox 720 Q announcement and it's a potential huge momentum shifter. The Switch 2 sounds like a sure thing on paper, but in reality it really is dicey and the longer they wait to release it, the more potential there is for some new handheld to come out or for a new console gen in the middle of its life to impact their sales.
It's only hard because nintendo is prone to making retarded decisions. A switch 2 with more powerful hardware than a 2015 maxwell mobile SoC is all anyone wants
>1600x900 oled screen
>1080p if you're feeling ambitious ninty
>2nd gen joycons with better vibration and real triggers
>1st gen joycons still work
>thunderbolt 3 or 4 connection between switch and dock to allow for a pro dock to act like an eGPU
>or even just have the dock do DLSS because there's no way in hell a next gen switch is rendering native 2160p
>full backwards compatibility with switch games, digital downloads transfer over
>patches for switch games to run at higher resolution or higher framerate
>2nd gen pro controller with triggers and better vibration like dualsense
That's it, that's all they have to do. You're welcome nintendo, you don't even have to hire me. What else would you add, anon?
>1600x900 oled screen
that kind of pixel density is fucking stupid on something the size of a switch
switch 2 would be absolutely fine with a 720p screen if it was actually capable of running at that resolution without DRS or framerate dips
>1080p if you're feeling ambitious ninty
God no. There's no chance in hell the Switch 2 is gonna be as strong as the ROG Ally, and even that chunky beast can barely run games at 1080p at non-shit framerates. Valve proved with the steam deck that 720p is the perfect compromise for performance and battery life in a handheld. You can barely appreciate the increased resolution of 1080p on a 7 inch screen, but you definitely notice the drop in performance. If Nintendo can manage a locked 720p/60 handheld and locked 1080p/60 docked, then 99% of consumers will be satisfied.
it's going to do 1080p30 on an OLED and 1440p/60 docked. DLSS 2.0 upscaling to 4K
You're just pulling numbers out of your ass.
screenshot my post, they will be correct
Nintendo isn't gonna put a 1080p screen into their handheld, retard, they value battery life too much. They'll keep using the same panel they have for the Switch OLED, which is 720p/60hz
they literally just secured screens from Sharp, they are not going to buy 720p screens. Those are so old now that they are actually more expensive to manufacture because they've changed the manufacturing lines.
The Switch 2 Lite might have a 720p60 screen but the main unit will not. I guarantee this.
a die shrink to sub 10nm allows them to maintain a sub 10w TDP even with a standard LCD
>. Those are so old now that they are actually more expensive to manufacture because they've changed the manufacturing lines.
Yeah, that's true. Even budget chinese tablets use 1080p screens nowadays, so the market has shrunk considerably. I'd imagine if Nintendo valued performance above saving as much money as possible on manufacturing (lol) they could justify ordering custom screens, since presumably they would order huge batches at a time with the intent of selling 100 million consoles again.
all they need to do is make a switch 2 and make it crossgen à la xbox one/series. Not all games work on bone, but all games work on the Series
Oh I forgot, since it would be an nvidia SoC based on a newer architecture, why not have a dedicated tensor core thing to enable native DLAA for every game in handheld mode? 900p or 1080p with native DLAA would look really good on the handheld screen
you should know by now Nintendo is allergic to AA.
It could harken back to how the N64 had hardware based AA
Why? The pixel density would be much better than 720p and wouldn't be as taxing as full 1080p
It would only work with DLSS if that would be supported in handheld mode. Although I'm not sure the power consumption on that, might be too much to keep the device non bulky.
What's the source for that article?
The switch did so well. I would be surprised if nvidia wasn't developing a really impressive custom chip for a next gen switch. It's their only horse in the console race
I wonder if they could get the price as low as 350 for the successor. In that 400 range, you are competing with much beefier hardware.
That depends on MANY factors. Including but not limited to how much actual profit both nintendo and nvidia want from their new hardware. They're both quite greedy to you need to keep that in mind because if even one of then want something like at least $60 dollars on each unit sold then a $350 dollar price point is off the table and into the trash.
How do i get a nintendo gf (female, xx chromosomes)
buy Animal Crossing
build a bunch of cool shit and post pictures with your friend code on nintendo twitter or animal crossing discords
they really should have a dating sim game or something
Fuck animal crossing
They should just double the number of bits the switch has and call it a super switch. Shit ain't hard, nintendo.
They'll keep the Switch on the market until people stop buying Nintendo Switches or until tv's stop nativity supporting 720p whatever happens 1st.
The smart 3rd parties like WB (I can't belive I'm saying this) are already using b teams to handle switch development, people who play switch games don't care about resolution or framerate. The 3rd parties just need to make sure the games are close enough to their PS5 brothers
If it isnt backwards compatible there is going to be an extreme backlash. All you retards just dunking on tendies don't realize how small that group is. Its the wiiu size.
When just about everyone has been exposed to bc expectations with ps, xbox, and pc via massive steam libraries, there will be an outrage of the same scale as xbox one always online drm.
Nintendo either makes a switch 2 with a better chip or they lose.
The issue is less the console specs and more how they handle the transition. Part of the reason consoles like PS3 and WiiU failed is that their previous consoles were so popular that companies kept releasing new games for them, so no one switched to the new console and momentum never picked up. If the next console is actually switch2 and completely compatible with switch games and so on, then why would the average consumer who is still happy with their switch buy it?
Would be easier if they kept making just "switch" games but the switch 2 has graphics and performance improvements on the new ones and slowly they abandon switch 1. Idk makes sense to me. Third parties could choose to be switch 2 exclusive to slowly incentivize an upgrade.
Being a glorified New 3DS would make it dead in the water tbh
A lot of N3DS adoption came from people just stepping up, pirates, and SNES Virtual Console being exclusive, the only exclusive games worth mentioning were Fire Emblem Warriors, Minecraft, and Xenoblade Chronicles
Are you a 90 year old japanese business man? Same arguments the retwrd japs made for why demos would take sales away.
People will upgrade for new games you dumb gay. Why does anyone buy new stuff? Nintendo has to worry about their hardcore audience who buy lots of games. If they dont have those people, the normies wont follow.
People are getting locked into steam, psn, ms/xbox. If nintendo throws away everyones purchases for the 4th time, no one is goinf to buy shit except the most pathetic losers from reddit.
Now suck my cock
>Same arguments the retwrd japs made for why demos would take sales away.
Show me the amazing ps1 and ps2 game sales numbers then. We all know it was demo disks that killed the attach rates.
Because the average consumer is not happy with their Switch, but have one DESPITE its flaws. The average normalfag is a graphics whore(even kids), they obviously know the switch is underpowered and wish for it to have at least Xbone-like visuals. People have the switch because they want to play Nintendo games and occasionally to play on the go, but generally don’t enjoy the underpowered hardware.
You are conflating the average Ganker user with the average game purchaser. I want to remind you that buisiness like gameinformer do not make profit from us laughing at them, and their buisness is sustained by the hordes of people who actually look to them as experts in all things videogame.
The average consumer has not devoted one braincell to understanding concepts like framerate or resolution. Most Samsung tvs come with frame doubling on by default, so normies watch all their netflix slop with the soap opera effect and have no idea, because they don't tweak with settings at all.
I’m not talking about resolution and FPS, I’m talking about GRAPHICS. Most people are fine with Xbox One output, IE 720-900p at 30FPS but with photorealistic graphics, and for cartoonish games to look like pixar animations. When normalfags talk about graphics that’s what they mean, and that’s what I’m referring to, Nintendo achieve nothing by upgrading the switch to handheld 1080p60fps while Pokémon character models are all blocky and Zelda textures look like they belong in Minecraft.
Also that is what the Steam Deck delivers and is why it’s making such success. Normies don’t care about 720p resolution, they just want games to look like God of War(2018), I have a few friends who own an Steam deck and boast about playing graphics-intensive games on it, normies don’t want to play indie and PS2 looking games. All switch owners I know always say they love the games but hate how ugly they look.
>I’m not talking about resolution and FPS, I’m talking about GRAPHICS.
What the fuck do normies consider GRAPHICS? Is it literally just textures and lighting?
>Is it literally just textures and lighting?
That and model detail. That’s literally it. That’s why vídeos like “Mario if he unreal” and “Zelda in Unreal Engine” make so much fuss on popular media, if normies didn’t like that shit devs wouldn’t pander to it so much. Normies despise anything that doesn’t look photorealistic. If Nintendo released a Mario game that looked even a little like the Illumination movie normalfags would prematurely ejaculate.
lmao journos are already on their bullshit.
nintendo just needs to release MK9 during the first year of the new console and its all good.
If they make the switch 2 completely backwards compatible and just upgrade the hardware for a higher price people will buy them hand over fist.
Why do people think Nintendo are doing a Switch 2 and not a console with a new gimmick?
Because doing anything else will fail
Because no one wants a non-portable anymore.
Because Nintendo no longer makes consoles. They got pushed out of that market, they're all in on the portable market and it wouldn't make sense to go back and not have a dock so they can be a "hybrid" instead. Really sit down and think about the Switch, every upgrade for it has only been for portable use(including one without a dock function) while even the Vita had a standalone "console" only variant in the Vita TV. There is no way Nintendo's next console is not a Switch 2.
>Because Nintendo no longer makes consoles
They're literally dominating the home console market right now.
The portable market died with the 3ds when they stopped making portable specific versions of games, think console sonic generations vs 3ds sonic generations.
Switch is a portable device, sorry. No one plays the Switch docked.
I only play docked. Lots of people only play docked.
There is a market for it. It's just not big enough for nintendo to care about.
I play switch games on a emulator, so i guess that counts as docked.
Read the rest of my post. The Switch is not a home console, every upgrade has been solely for portable use and the Lite is not a home console at all. It is an unabashed portable. Nintendo will never ever release another console that isn't also a portable, because they can't. They were completely pushed out of that market just like Sony was pushed out of the portable market.
>The Switch is not a home console,
It's a home console whether you want to accept that fact or not again, portable gaming is an entirely different thing and since the switch came out it has only been getting dedicated home console games rather than specific versions made for it.
Also you're saying each upgrade has only been for portable use but you're forgetting that even the Dock itself was upgraded with the oled release.
There's a reason why they're dominating the home console market right now.
It's mind boggling to me the mental gymnastics that people go through to pretend that Nintendo was not pushed out of that market. The VIta had a standalone console only unit, yet the Switch doesn't? The PSP could even display to TVs just like the Switch can but no one in their right mind would call that anything other than a portable.
And I'm not going to mince words, what the Switch has been getting is ports of games from previous generations that missed the Nintendo ecosystem. Which if you go back to the GBA, that was constantly getting ports of SNES games and that by no means makes it so that the GBA was a home console because it was getting home console games for it and the GBA player existed so that you could play the games on an actual TV. As for the dock itself, that changed literally nothing and added no extra functionality because even though it was rumored to have a chipset that was able to display 4k, nothing has made use of that in the slightest. The odds are that the factories no longer wanted to produce chips so old that Nintendo was the only company buying them so Nintendo got a better deal on buying new ones that were being mass produced instead.
The Switch is not a home console. You can pretend it's a hybrid if you want to make believe that Nintendo was not pushed out of that market but the fact of the matter is you're a fool if you do so. Games like Metroid Dread and the LA remake were games that would have ended up on the 3DS had Nintendo not merged their divisions, so even saying that it only receives home console style games is a straight up a lie.
The Vita was a horribly mismanaged nightmare and the Vita TV appealed to nobody, its only value was as a much cheaper way to play pirated Vita games
Don't what to tell you son. The Switch is my most played gaming device of the past 7 years and its not even close.
The Switch is hardward I want to own and it has games I want to play
It has cemented its place in history as one of the greatest video game systems of all time, with one of the best libraries of games ever.
Nothing wrong with that. The Switch is a great system. However, it is not a home console. Being a portable is not a bad thing, if anything it's a gigantic point in the Switch's favor.
Switch is a hybrid console
Portable consoles and home consoles are both consoles
Would there be any downside to battery life if they used a 1440p screen and just upscaled from 720p for most games?
the downside is that'll look like shit and a 1440p screen is totally unnecessary, just use a 720p screen if you're going to render at 720p, it's cheaper and your console gets cheaper
1440p would make switch 2 vr viable though.
I thought 720p scaled well into 1440p since it divides evenly, 2x horizontal and 2x vertical.
Yeah this is what I was thinking.,
Yes, a massive one. Realistically if the switch2 wants actually impressive graphics it needs to be a dedicated tv console, which would still make the switch the dedicated handheld. A switch2 with good current handheld graphics at a reasonable price would be 960p at 27fps instead of the current 720p at 23fps.
I just want a Gamecube 2 with 4k60 Nintendo games
no screen bullshit, just slap a better processor in there and pack a Switch Pro controller and that's it
not sure why they can't understand this
>I just want a Gamecube 2 with 4k60 Nintendo games
moron, you probbaly can't even tell the difference between 1080p and 4k from your regular seating position. The differences only become obvious when you stand like 3 feet away. Most content on streaming services caps out at 1080.
I own an OLED TV. Anybody saying you can't tell the difference between 1080p and 4k is a coping poorfag.
>I own a 4k tv
and assuming it's 55 inches it has 80 PPI. You typically sit 8-14 feet away from a tv, so it's not noticeable, but people hold handhelds as close as 1 foot away from their face, and in that instance PPI (the density of pixels) becomes much more noticeable. The Steam Deck and Switch OLED with their 7 inch 720p screens have double the PPI of a 27 inch 1440p monitor, which people typically sit 2-4 feet away from. 720p looks sharp enough at 7 inches.
It's a 43" OLED that I sit 6 feet away from.
You're a fucking idiot.
4K on anything below 55” is a waste of money
yes let me just go and buy a 1080p OLED.
your IQ is the lowest in this thread, I mean this sincerely
Ehh, at 43 inches and 6 feet away 4k is acceptable, but just barely. The Steam Deck still absolutely moggs his screen in terms of PPI, but it's a handheld, so it kinda has to.
Depends entirely on your viewing distance.
How do people miss the fucking point of the Switch as a dockable hybrid handheld? It's been six and a quarter years.
look who else missed the point
The one that's marketed as a cheaper budget option and straight up doesn't work with some games out of the box because the joycons aren't separable? And it sucks a lot more to repair and modify since it's a full unit.
yes, my point is if it's possible for nintendo to say here's a switch you can't dock, it's also possible for them to say, here's a switch that's just a home console.
it would have very poor battery life. Nintendo cares too much about battery life to go crazy with specs. Even with the rumored chips, they'll probably underclock it to save battery life
My biggest fear is it will be backwards compatible but have no cartridges.
Then it won't be backwards compatible.
Digital games could I guess.
Knowing Nintendo they will make a whole new store and nuke the switch store within 5 years
>PLEASE PLEASE PLEEEEEASE BE A WII U FLOP AGAIN PLEEEEEASE
It's funny how many people hate nintendo.
I was scrolling through YouTube shorts the other day and I had like five videos from the same guy screaming about how Nintendo hates consumers for doing something that doesn't affect them.
chill they still make money.
gentleman, what are the chances of the switch 2 also running switch games?
I say this because i plan on getting one on home brew the fuck out of it so i hope it has native support for those.
I would say around 90%. Miyamoto said backwards compatibility is easier than ever, and there will be riots if they leave behind the huge switch library.
0, see gamecube, wii, wii u and switch
Backwards compatibility doesn't make money, they're better off taking the heat from not having it and selling you the game again
but the wii u runs gamecube games
the wii did because you could insert the GameCube CDs.
i meant the Wii, sorry.
99%. Their CEO talked before about building on their existing ecosystem instead of having to start all over like they did when they went wii u to switch.
FUCK THE SWITCH!
All they have to do is make the same console with updated hardware but this being Nintendo they'll feel like they HAVE to add some sort of gimmick to justify the a new console. It might be the reason it's taking so long, the switch is already perfect for what it needs to be.
switch tv when? since i bought my switch i never took it out of its dock. i bought mine in 2019. imagen how small this thing would be.
Nintendo's downfall for next gen is if they try to gimmick the shit out of their next system.
Switch if fine, the gimmicks it has are just a side-dish.
But without gimmicks, how will they INNOVATE?!
They either need a new handheld that can run games way better or a new gimmick.
And the only easy/cheap gimmick left right now is VR.
The issue with VR is, even if you can pull an HMD for $350-$400 like the Quest 2 or the Pico 4 you still need to adapt your games to it. VR is already at consumer level but most of the games don't take advantage of it. Maybe Nintendo is the right company to handle that but going straight VR would be a massive gamble.
There are ARM chips that can do VR for cheap now, if they continue making products with nvidia hardware it should be easy.
They shouldn't have problems making VR games and a Pokemon VR game would sell like hotcakes easily.
nintendo has a nice line up of games that would be easy to adapt to vr. things like mario kart vr already exist in arcades, making a home console version of it would be the easy killer app to make vr go mainstream
They could do the Wii U again, but it could also be better.
It has a 50% chance of being good and a 50% chance to be bad
I have actual info on the new Nintendo Switch. It's a fully handheld flip up system, similar to a DS. Rather than docking it transmits video to the TV via a dongle, and then upscales via DLSS. The screen is actually all one piece, like a foldable smart phone.
>p system, similar to a DS.
The Wii U was soulful even if it failed.
Reminder that the juggernaut success of the Nintendo Switch is the biggest prolonged nonstop assfucking this board has ever endured.
I'm so glad I was here to witness it unfold in realtime.
He ruined Umi for me.
>Situation doesn't look so good for Nintendo
It's funny how quickly the Wii U was memoryholed.
I am just hoping they tone down the casual shit for next gen. No more Wii Sports, no more 1 2 Switch, not another Star Allies, still feel like BotW and Tears are merely groundwork for a proper Zelda game yet to come. I know Aonuma said this new formula is hear to stay but I feel like they could strike gold by making something half the size of this current Hyrule but making it denser and with real dungeons. Plus it is preposterous Zelda has more menuing despite having less fucking items than ever.
Real dungeons will never be back. They acted like they would be back with ToTK but they lied. Nintendo wants to kill off its old userbase just like every other company.
I wonder if the NVN2 specs are legit. It would absolutely destroy every PC handheld if they are.
It's been a year and nothing has come of it since. There's no guarantee it could've been upgraded or downgraded or even just a sample that's since thrown out for something much different while still being from nvidia.
Ampere Tegra should be on par with Rog Ally. If Nintendo goes for Lovelace they'll shit on Ally while having better battery life.
just make the same console with better hardware
please just make a console that can play nu-zelda at +60 fps
just play 'elda on the 'eckin' 'eck
Can that actually emulate botw and totk at 60 fps? Botw might have a chance with cemu being really good and now open source but I think the switch emulators have a long way to go still
I thought it would when I posted that but I guess not, kek
Maybe the rog ally can handle it at the current state of emulation. They should have released totk on wii u as well because cemu is so much better kek
rog ally has zen4 so it shouls handle totk at 60fps on yuzu if you shove all the power into the cpu
Obviously they're not going to go hard into making it focused on power, but the gimmick is perfectly fine where its at.
Simply just updating the hardware is all they need to do. They're probably just afraid because the Gamecube was a straight upgrade that did bad. But on the other hand the Advance did good despite just being an upgrade.
Picks up switch... makes it more powerful now that you have better hardware available.
There done. Bazillion sales all over again.
Nintendo no need to thank me.
Just take the switch and make it more powerful, add a better slightly larger screen and call it a day.
>nintendo exclusives like Mario and Zelda sell 1 quintillion units
>journalists: nintendo needs to go the third party sega route to save itself
Wii U failed because of its name, people thought it was the same Wii with the same capabilities but with a U
They need to keep it simple and name it Switch Enhanced Oled XXS
I think this can be a learning experience for Nintendo. You can't win every gen. I'm fine with Nintendo flopping with the next console. They can take it.
>journos panicking over nothing
what else is new, these retards lack critical brain function on a galactic level its insane how many people fall for their shit
>Nintendo has always been successful in everything! The Virtual Boy and Wii U didn't exist!
Literally just make the Switch 2 whatever tech upgrade is feasible with the way the industry has evolved since 2017. Make it a $300 2023 tablet as compared to a $300 2017 tablet.
Nobody wants a switch 2, they already have a switch.
nobody wants a playstation 2, they already have a playstation.
PS2 satisfied numerous market demands PS1 did not. You're smart enough to see that, aren't you?
>they don't know that the whole Switch 2 is a red herring distracting market analysts from the fact that they are making the Super Game Cube.
I would rather have the Famicom 2.
35 years of nintendoom
Switch 2 will be like the PS5.
people are brown nosers if they don't want this
Fuck you and fuck wagglan
you c-words already have xbox and ps5 fuck off
Is the reason Nintendo garden gnomes keep doing gimmicks because they want to make it harder to emulate their games 50 years from now so all video games can be lost to history?
Certainly. So then why resell you old games at full fucking price people don't complain and even thank them for it. Even when they do shit jobs like with Skyward Sword.
They are shrewd businessmen. Nintendo sells people nostalgia at full price and most of their fans kiss the ground they walk on.
the nintendo mindset is still designing toys. theres no point for them to make hardware if there's no gimmick, because they dont need good hardware to make good games.
Wait and continue on with the switch, then. No reason to force a console now. Wait a little longer and release something truly excellent. No problems there.
I'm still surprised Nintendo had such a successful generation working with nvidia.
Nvidia's hardware is legit, they have great support and docs for every little thing and absolutely mog any competitor in the gpu business, but they're massive garden gnomes and it's hell to work with according to pretty much anyone who worked with them from Microsoft to Sony to Apple.
All they have to do is make a Switch with decent MOBILE specs and controllers that don't suck ass and break, is that too much to ask? Functional online play would be nice too but I'm not holding my breath, it will probably be exactly the same as it is now.
In the usual Nintendo manner, I'm expecting it to focus on a singular gimmick that no one gives a shit about that makes the entire console too expensive relative to its performance and 3rd party developers hardly utilize.
It's over for Nintendo.
Switch 2 will FLOP.
switch 2 is the dumbers safest route they can take. going VR would be fun and potentially as disastrous as wiiU but if anyone could push VR into mainstream it's nintendo.
i think nintendo has gotten themselves into a weird situation ever since the wii launched, or maybe even prior to that.
its hard to explain, especially because im ESL, but the way i see it is that nintendo consoles are on a player number cycle. you have something super successful like the Wii, then a flop like the Wii U, then a major success again like the switch, and likely another flop for the switch 2.
now why is that? simple. casuals.
with the wii, most of its success can be attributed to casuals. especially older people. they know nintendo, they know the name and what it is because their kids play it. they hear all the hype and hubbub about how successful it is and how even older, non-gamery types are into it. they all buy in causing major success for nintendo.
then they actually play the console for a bit, likely nothing beyond wii sports, maybe wii sports resort if youre ambitious and thats it. they had their fill of playing video games and didnt even care looking beyond the one pack in title.
around comes the wii u and the vast majority of wii owners simply dont care.
not even because of miscommunication or bad marketing, but simply because they dont care about the next wii sports machine.
then, by the time the switch rolled around enough time had passed for A), a considerable amount of those former wii owners to suddenly care again because its been long enough since the last console and B) the younger generation now starting to be a relevant consumer base for nintendo, that werent around for the wii, didnt care about the wii u because no one did and are now around for the switch.
and i predict it will be the same pattern for the switch 2. most casual switch owners will have had their fill of nintendo for now. they dont need the next mario kart machine, especially not day one.
playstation on the other hand doesnt have this cycle, or at least its not nearly as extreme. if you imagine it as a curve it would be more flat than with nintendo.
>especially because im ESL
dude just type what you think in your own language and use chatGPT to improve it and translate into english
>implying im proficient with my own language
the switch sold because nintendo had a banger launch title (BOTW), people were waiting for a new handheld, and they had 20+ great wiiu titles that no one had played ready to be ported to their new console.