>slaps a bunch of retail abilities and talents into vanilla and turns a low level 5man into a raid
here's your classic+ bro
>slaps a bunch of retail abilities and talents into vanilla and turns a low level 5man into a raid
>slaps a bunch of retail abilities and talents into vanilla and turns a low level 5man into a raid
here's your classic+ bro
>try something new
>get shit on
Do you think they are deleting vanilla for this? Did they say they are deleting vanilla? Why are they not allowed to try this?
the cope...
Hi XIV troon, take your L
Never played final fantasy in my life and could rape you 2v1 in 1.12
>XIV troon
Their game don't have women with beards, neither people making them looking like this, Sister.
Don't try to hide, WoW players are more tranny than then.
>new
copypasting a bunch of retail shit into vanilla isn't new
>NOOO YOU CAN'T DISLIKE THING THAT MEANS YOU'RE SAYING THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO IT
$0.02 has been deposited into your battle.net balance
A lot of it is copy pasted, but some of it is objectively new. And some of the copy pasted things are tweaked.
Come on. This is by no means something new. Something new would take much more effort than making BFD a raid.
The federal government has an interest in keeping Vanilla servers up because it keeps a lot of unhinged pedophiles off of the streets
I'm giving them a pass on all the retail active abilities, because it's only level 25 and they're probably trying to give people more than one button to push by raid time.
The first level cap increase is when I'm expecting to see evidence of where they're planning to go and whether or not it'll be worth touching.
>retail abilities
>actually abilites and talents from BC-MoP era, maybe a couple Legion ones
at least pretend to know what you're talking about
everything past tbc is a retail slop, cope
i'm going to play it and wait to see how it is after they bring in more runes. copying shit from later expacs isn't an immediate deal breaker for me, but some of the stuff they've added so far looks very silly. not a good look.
you're being autistic and attacking people on semantics.
>its not retail unless its the current expansion
lmao someone give these homosexuals covenants and they'll prolly eat that shit up and try convince you its not from retail wow
Thanks, I’ll stick to Turtle
And yet it was the only semi interesting announcement for wow
So there's
Retail
Classic
Classic+
Classic Season of Discovery
Burning Crusade
Wrath of the Lich King
Are they retarded? Didn't they say that a reason they didn't want to make classic was it would split the player base, and now they're splitting the already split playerbase 5 more times?
Do wrath and bc servers exist now? They’re all turning into Cata
there's only
Classic Era
WotLK
Season of Discovery
Retail
and Classic Hardcore
That's just era as you can transfer anyways. No different gameplay whatsoever.
Hardcore has a bunch of changes they added in Season of Mastery. It's not the same.
You missed Classic Hardcore and Classic Cataclysm
that's one way to compete with private servers
No theres
Retail
Classic-
Classic
Cataclysm
they probably have data that shows that a majority of people who play one version of WoW dont play another.
No you dumb fuck shill there will be:
Retail
Classic Era
Classic Cata
Classic SoD
Cata will shit the bed and will likely be the end of re-releasing xpacs
Do you know what a shill is retard?
what's classic era?
>Cata will shit the bed and will likely be the end of re-releasing xpacs
I really just wanted a MoP server, it was peak WoW in terms of class design, I had so much fun during this xpac.
they will release MoP 100%, they'd be stupid not to. even if Cata flops, pandaria has a lot of fans who would come back.
This, my entire friend group hasn’t touched wow since the first patch of WoD. We all pretty much plan to come back if they release mop. I dont think I hold any era of wow as close to vanilla as I do mop, that shit was pure kino.
Whats gonna happen when they get to MoP?
Do you think they would ever release classic WoD? Legion? BFA? God forbid shadowlands or dragonflight?
It'd be weird to keep it finished on MoP forever but I cant imagine too many people are clamouring for WoD considering most people seem to think that was the biggest death knell for WoW.
That being said, Cata was considered the first "Death of wow" and people still wanted Cata classic.
I can't believe they are doing Cataclysm "classic" lmao.
MoP is a good place to stop.
Spend the rest of your days chilling on your farm and fighting against the greatest warchief who ever lived.
>MoP classic releases
>Garrosh is stopped and put on Trial just like OG Cata-
>A twist: He doesnt bust out of prison and go back in time
>He is instead jailed and Thrall steps back into the chair of Warchief the re-right the ship that went off course under garrosh's control, Garrosh mediates on what he's doing, becomes wiser and less hot headed
>Blizz ceases announces an expansion set in this new timeline
>Characters from retail can be ported over into this alternative universe
Imagine
maybe you should try imagining a time where you arent paying to play wow. That might be a healthier alternative to whatever the fuck this cope is
said it over and over itt already, if they do MoP (and they will), Legion is a guarantee. it was the last popular xpac and WoD is so short it doesn't matter what anyone thinks about it.
They need the money
>Are they retarded?
Is this a serious question?
>t. tourist who hasn't played classic wow since the 1st of November of 2019
You're wrong it's
Retail (Dragonflight)
Classic (Vanilla, dead servers)
Classic Hardcore (Vanilla HC)
Classic Season of Discovery (Vanilla Ascension)
WOTLK
There's retail.
Classic Hardcore
Classic SoD.
Cata Classic.
There’s Era as well. 5 versions of the game.
there are
>retail
>retail in classic
>retail in cata
troons lost
Looks fun. Classic+ was always a meme anyways, blizzard was never going to go the OSRS route. They know their fans are fucking retards. Go play one of the "blizzlike" private servers if you can't handle having your pve rotation be more than 1 button.
Asmongold and his friend Mcwhatever are excited about all this, they fall for it every time
I'm betting a month and a half after release, he'll start spouting how it's shit, quit again, and WoW people get all pissy at him again... just for this to repeat again with the next WoW thing
>they fall for it
My brother in Jesus Christ Pantrocrator, it’s his literal business. No tricking is going on between him and Blizzard.
they make money by playing these and are incentived to get more people excited for it whether they like it or not.
After playing hardcore I cannot go back to regular WoW, unless it’s for pvp.
Playing any iteration of normal WoW feels like a waste of time because you can just try again and again and again. there’s no risk, no fun.
>LFM BRD GDKP TRINKETS RESERVED MIN BID 2G!!
cant wait. classic sucks because of the playerbase and no amount of blizzard changes will ever make it good
banning GDKPs would be a good fucking start. Having that cancer attached to wow tokens is what killed Wrath for me.
Bro, goldswapping was allowed day 1. Classic never had integrity because the WoW token was in the game from the very start by proxy. Why do you think GKDP's got so bad so fast?
sounds fun
>here's some fan favorites and never before seen abilities, go nuts!
>and warriors, you get uhh... a couple of passive buffs! enjoy 🙂
>Warbringer
>Your Charge, Intercept, and Intervene abilities are now usable while in combat and in any stance, and will remove all movement impairing effects when activated.
Warriors are gonna be so fucking annoying.
cucked by mages again
Frost mages really will be clapping cheeks in pvp with the new abilities.
>why isn't the pet class of vanilla getting more favored treatment waaaaaah
Fuck of tigole.
That would be mage.
Mage isn't the best class at literally every single thing it does. No one can tank or dps better than warrior.
In pvp maybe if it's a duel. But in pve nothing even comes close to tanking or dpsing. Warriors are fucking broken.
But anon I thought warrior was perfect in classic so they don't need anything else? Why would you want to improve perfection
This is literally what classic boomers wanted. They want all the new things retail characters got but none of the added difficulty modern PvE has. Having the whole server be level gated so they don't get left behind again is the cherry on top.
Its going to be a massive success.
>Level cap 25
>New raids at that level and before it
>Customizable builds based off of gear you have to find in the world
I'll give it a try. My only real dissapointment without knowing more is that I know the 'discovery' is going to be gone very fast. I like the idea of rumors on where things are but not knowing if it's true or not.
I'm going to spread misinformation in game about where secrets are hidden.
I know this is a shitpost thread, I know literally all of you are retards buried in so many layers of internet irony that you don't even have real thoughts anymore, but hopefully someone can answer this for me:
Classic was a good idea, it made sense, people liked it. But as soon as they started doing "Classic + Expansions", now you've literally just set up a system where you're just re-releasing the exact same game you already released, but just a few years behind the current retail version. The concept was strained with TBC, but the fact that they're literally up to fucking Cataclysm, re-releasing the fucking changed world that was the whole point of having a Classic to begin with, makes no sense and is retarded.
So you have two options: Either you just keep re-releasing expansions as they were, and in a year or so you're going to be claiming you have nostalgia for Classic Battle of Azeroth or fucking Classic Dragonflight. Or you stop, remove all of that nonsense, and instead focus on allowing people to engage with basic Classic content but with interesting experiments, mechanics, and adjustments. Neither are AMAZING, at this point anyone who wants to experience WoW already has, but at least one of them isn't completely fucking braindead retarded garbage.
However, there is 100% chance that all of you ITT will be like "lol no i wanna play lol classic cata lol i was 10 wen it came out lol"
you didn't actually ask a question, but they should have stopped at classic and not done the expansions. just make fresh realms every now and then because people enjoy the progression before bots and rmt ruin the game.
>but they should have stopped at classic and not done the expansions. just make fresh realms every now and then
I agree conceptually, but also how many times is someone going to want to play through the same WoW, especially if there's nothing new to do? Games like PoE and other MMOs usually offer new seasonal mechanics to engage with, along with class and skill rebalances and new items and stuff that change up the meta, so even though you're mostly playing through the same content you're at least doing it with new options and new ways to engage and it feels fresh.
Is someone going to re-do their Onyxia attunement every few months in WoW, just so they can do the same raids they did the last time, with the same builds, for the same loot? How is that worth doing?
>Poop of excrement
Maybe 3 years ago you could use that shitheap as an example of good seasonal content.
How is it that you can read a post, but somehow miss the point completely and reply with a shitpost thinking that you're making a funny when actually you're just a complete retard?
Nice cope. Btw poe isn't an MMO. Stay in your lane.
>Illiterate
>Gay
>Really fucking stupid
You're like the trifecta of human failure. Imma guess you RP with trannies on Discord too.
cata had two features i liked:
transmog, which is something i was hoping for since original tbc because i liked my areana season 1 set so much
and archeolgy, which was kinda neat with creating stupid little toys and killing time in general. very comfy
but that doesn't justify me playing another round of this horseshit expansion. it was crap back then and it was around that time when WoW started heavily losing players.
>lol no i wanna play lol classic cata lol i was 10 wen it came out lol
any mouthbreathing retard who says this needs to be shot asap
i hope they get around and give us era servers for wotlk. currently i don't even have the motivation to play wotlk because i know i won't touch my chars when the cata patch hits.
I'm currently dicking around on the old era servers leveling alts since there isn't much dungeon diving, pvp or raids going on.
the expansion servers are for people who want to raidlog and experience the endgame content when it was relevant.
vanilla servers still exist and have a million spinoffs now so there's zero reason to whine about muh old world revamp, it's literally not going anywhere. there's no reason both can't exist at once.
the expansions will likely go until at least Legion, yeah bfa and beyond are memes and we'll see what happens there, but people here seriously underestimate the popularity of MoP and Legion. those two xpacs alone are worth continuing for Blizz.
Or they could stop destroying old content, thus allowing players on retail to go do it there whenever they want. This includes abilities and equipment. Never have I thought 'wow these class changes are an improvement', and it certainly wasn't a consideration in returning.
>Or they could stop destroying old content
I don't know what this means. What do you mean by "destroying"? They brought back the old content with Classic, and at this point people had like 5 years to play through it again. And also it's still there to play through.
Is pushing Cata what you mean by destroying it? Or is adding Classic + mods destroying it?
People want to play Cata and MoP even, based on private server popularity. I think they'll stop with MoP though. Or maybe they'll skip WoD and do Legion Classic at some point.
there's no shot they stop at MoP, Legion will be huge. they just have to release WoD on an accelerated schedule so it only lasts a few months, its raids were actually well received.
I could see them stopping with Legion because it ties up a lot of storylines and is the end of the first metzen era, none of the later xpacs were as well received. but who knows what people will be saying by the time we get there, maybe zoomers will have bfa nostalgia idk lol.
There's no way they'll do BfA Classic. They either stop at MoP or Legion, mostly because it was well received by the community and, as you said, it's the end of the Warcraft 3 storyline.
Legion is basically modern WoW. I believe most people would rather play Retail than a hypothetical BfA Classic, even if they fixed everything wrong with that expansion.
"Fixing everything wrong with BfA" is basically what they've been doing for the last two years anyway.
As for WoD... didn't they cut a good chunk of the content they originally planned to focus on Legion? What are the chances they add all of that content back?
People would love to play this I think. WoD (which people liked, as long as they had stuff to do) + Original, never seen before content (that was cut due to time/budget restrictions).
I think they will, cause it will result in the option to make a progression server that's basically a raiders paradise, so we can thank god finally stop only catering to them.
>They either stop at MoP or Legion
I just cant see them stopping at MoP when Legion is right around the corner from there, I know WoD wasn't very popular but it can be such a short expansion. but yeah otherwise I agree, I really can't picture Bfa classic or later. Maybe at that point they just restart from vanilla and progress all the way back up. It would be nice to have that option for people who want progressive raidlog content, and then classic seasons for people who want vanilla adjacent content. And retail for, idk, people to play dressup and collect mounts I guess.
There’s nothing wrong with having legacy servers running at all times for every single expansion of the game, thinking it should stop before cataclysm is retarded. And this is from someone who stopped playing during wrath and didn’t play classic past tbc.
Sounds fun, although I feel like we're gonna run out of things to do quick.
Is it too late to start playing on the regular vanilla servers? I wasn't really interested in classic when it launched, and I only ever played late-WOTLK back in 2009 and some private servers after that
I just want to do some comfy leveling while listening to shit
should be pretty active since you get free transfers off HC when you die
they had to merge the servers to keep it alive but it's still very active. there's always a wave of new players after blizzcon
Classic Era is already way past its prime. It's flooded with bots and GDKP and there's no way to get into anything above MC/BWL unless a guild is willing to carry you.
This. You'll be able to level and find groups for dungeons but don't expect to find 39 other people willing to raid early content.
>Classic
>For raiding
Pftahhahahahahahah
Might as well just play on Turtle for free.
As long as you play on the PvE cluster you’ll avoid the worst Classic taint, which is GDKP.
I play on Whitemane and it's still very active for leveling, the only difficulty you might encounter is on the AH which is super inflated from GDKPs and gold buyers
>Is it too late to start playing
I fucking hate you people that just type this shit out with zero hesitation that it makes you look retarded
>bro's is it too late to buy a lawnmower in may??
>is it too late to make a will at 30??
>is it too late to register to vote? (a day after voting day)
>is it too late to abort at 9 months??
>is it too late to learn another language?? im 17 and i want to go to japan but not work there
>is it too late learn an instrument? a majored in history and am paraplegic
Bro I'm so fucking tired of you people, you ask the dumbest fucking questions
But is now a good time or should I wait until the next season?
Which wow variant to play if I'm a boomer that quit after cata and just want to play solo queue content (ie: dont want to join a guild or get groomed by trannies on discord)
Play Season of Diversity when it comes out, every other version is already dead or dying.
play cata classic or just join a pserver there are even solo privateservers where you can fill your party/raid with bots
Give it me to straight bros. How much of a shitshow is this going to be?
>how long will the servers have players
>how long until everyone metafags
>how long until bots ruin the economy and the only raids are gdkp
>>how long will the servers have players
I think WoW has sort of been relegated to a boom-and-bust population at this point. Retail may have a stable, though much smaller than the past, playerbase sorta, but I think Classic stuff is always going to have lots of people jumping in initially and then getting bored and fading away. I haven't been keeping up with it but Hardcore seems to have had a pretty stable life cycle, though how much of that was buoyed by OTK running a $100k tournament for the last month is probably up for debate.
2-3 months between content drops means everyone is going to be raid logging after like a week. And theres no point in even keeping up with the raids or farming BiS cause all your gear will get replaced as soon as the level cap increases.
Blizzard is going to be slow as shit with balance changes if they bother to do any at all, so the meta will be solved after the first raid week and all the metahomosexuals will reroll since they only have to get to 25.
Economy will be shit on day 1. People will be buying gold and doing GDKPs immediately because thats what wow is now.
>Economy will be shit on day 1. People will be buying gold and doing GDKPs immediately because thats what wow is now.
This is the worst part. I can tolerate unbalanced metafagging, but the P2W meta is aids.
women have 1 use
>theres no point in even keeping up with the raids or farming BiS cause all your gear will get replaced as soon as the level cap increases
They really didn't think this through. People are going to do the raid 1-2 times just because theres nothing else. Nobody is going to farm this shit every lockout for the low level gear that will be obsolete and completely unnecessary for the next tier. The extra 10 strength or whatever isn't going to matter.
>META GDKP RAIDLOG GOLDFARM BIS BUZZWORD BUZZWORD
Literally nothing you said matters, the whole point of the server is to just go balls to the wall, give people a ton of shit to play around and adjust as necessary. There is NEVER going to be any semblance of balance because they're not even trying to do that. It's an uncontained petri dish, essentially paid alpha/beta access for what might some day become an actual Classic+.
Lol you really think we'll get classic+m
Wanna see the afterwards of that video
He's dead isn't he
If there is one thing you should have learned from classic its that the playerbase will minmax the fun out of anything.
It doesn't matter how much cool new shit they throw at the game the homosexuals who still play this will ruin it.
There are no "metas" or "builds" at fucking level 25, and with the nature of the server things can be actually CHANGED patch to patch.
>There are no "metas" or "builds" at fucking level 25
Theres meta at character creation lmao. Have fun!
there is not nearly enough variation to throw off metahomosexualry. there will be one day of PTR before they have the crumbs of different gear and abilities solved for the meta.
People are going to literally be raid logging 3 days in because the only other thing you can do is just level more alts. There's only so much "difficulty" you can do in a raid at level 25 and because they're not adding in actual fucking content you're only ever going to be able to do Raids/dungeons/PvP like you've been doing for the past fucking forever. It's just more of the same shit
>paladins easily doing top dps in the raid
brown bros....it might be time to hang up the axe...then ourselves..
At 60? Not happening.
Cap is 25
Brownboys are still going to be top dps by a mile with the changes they are getting. You don't understand what makes DPS war so broken if you can't see that.
how is it hardcore if you can just respawn on a different server? fucking retarded
>how is it hardcore if you can just respawn on a different server?
...because you're not on the Hardcore server anymore?
>people will literally get to lvl25 and clear blackfathom depths in the first day
>the pvp zone will consist of one class having a better retail ability then all the rest
>you will either be that one class shitting on everyone or the other classes getting shit on
>no new content for months
https://clips.twitch.tv/CallousSavageGerbilNerfRedBlaster-cpWbUof8iLOxSCy8
This will be dead within two weeks
the pvp zone is going to be dead on arrival because 95% of the playerbase is going to roll alliance. only terminally retarded "for da horde" homosexuals who actually care about what faction they play and RPers will bother with the obviously inferior choice
Shamans are cooler than Paladins, Palas are fucking gay.
People who "main" a class in wow have severe brain damage.
> T. Gnomish homosexual
Shaman runes are stronger than paladins and it isn't even close.
>alliance get better windfury, better tremor totem, massive paladin damage buffs
>horde get... shaman tanks
lol. horde wont even have WF in the first phase either. 95% alliance is probably an underestimate honestly
no no but but the druid windfury is a yellow hit and doesn't actually let warrs generate rage like shaman's white hit windfury attacks do! no noooooooo shaman is still good please understand!
Druids have windfury now, massive shaman damage buffs too.
support class kino is back
>orcs, trolls, tauren and undead
vs
>human, purple human, short human, very short human
Alliance sucks.
>terminally retarded "for da horde" homosexuals
The horde really have all the advantages on classic.
>better flight paths
>better quests
>better races
It's a shame that paladin is so much better than shaman, and that sword weapon skill racial is so absurdly op.
Yea, alliance has a gaping hole in quests between 45-50 where you either grind nagas, dungeons or suicide in searing gorge because those guys will fuck your underlevled ass
???
What a strange post, it's like you're being ironic because the majority of classic pvp is horde, but you probably aren't and are just very unaware
>majority of classic pvp is horde
That's because it's the faction considered superior for PvP. Now take away that advantage. You think people will still roll the inferior faction in every way?
Alliance was the better faction in every metric because of paladins. Now paladins are even stronger. I wonder how that’ll go down the line…
Paladin > Shaman in all aspects of Vanilla. Alliance is superior to Horde in BG's
wrong. all specs of pally get completely dominated by casters in pvp, where as shaman have immense anti-caster toolkit.
>all specs of pally get completely dominated by casters in pvp
>freedoms your frontline and dumps heals in a bubble with no counterplay
These threads just reveal how surface level the devs and shills are.
you think im a shill because i told you paladins get dunked on by casters? thanks for exposing yourself as a moron, i don't really care to get into an argument at this point
You don’t care to get into an argument because you’re wrong. Paladins are the strongest 1v1 class as well at BG support. Your feelings about them not being OP because of counterspell and EM is incorrect.
my mistake, you were talking about BGs. maybe.
they are only strong against melee in 1v1.
>Now take away that advantage
But it's not being taken away
In what world is horde superior with what we know?
Just because paladins are doing well in pve doesn't translate into pvp lmao
Have you never world pvped as a paladin? Once your cooldowns are down, you aren't competing against anyone
See the problem is that you think anything will survive beyond the cooldowns being popped
Anon, ashenvale pvp will be tarren mill level shit
Paladin absolutely slams in 1v1's, against multiple enemies over a prolonged period of time these changes won't really change that
If anything, people will be running PROT for world pvp
>Anon, ashenvale pvp will be tarren mill level shit
So classes don't matter because it's deathball vs deathball?
It will be death ball vs random solo player just trying to quest because the servers will be 90% Alliance. Enjoy your "world pvp" because Blizzard has no fucking clue how to do server management.
90% is optimistic considering a lot of classic servers ended up with 99.9%
Problem with the level cap is that there are very few zones that'll be viable to hang out in (plus the incentive to hang out in Ashenvale). Are they changing which zones are contested or not? If not, then you're not getting a lot of fights. You're not gonna be able to survive the npc guards either. It's going to be a very "sterile" wpvp scene.
World PvP hub will be ashenvale and they are setting level to 25 to encourage groups/raids for gnomeregan/RFK
It's going to be more interesting than you think
I can imagine them capping the level to 25 for 2 months and then moving the PvP zone to Arathi for another 2 months
>raid gnomeregan/rfk for gear you can't equip
genius
>wpvp in zones where one side cannot start fights
oh yes very interesting
wpvp is going to die off pretty fucking fast and people are going to raidlog waiting for the level cap increase
>>raid gnomeregan/rfk for gear you can't equip
I think you should recheck what gear drops
>I think you should recheck what gear drops
Are you checking retail level drops or something? Gnomeregan gear is level 27+
I mean pretty much every other zone that people will hang out in aside from Ashenvale. Horde can't run into darkshore to pick fights, alliance likewise can't just run into the barrens.
It's not going to be bis since the new raid (scarlet monastery?) will be bis. Waste of time
Here I checked it for you
and it's all worse than the BFD raid gear, amazing
I guess a warrior might be stuck on vibroblade bitch duty but that's a top 0.1% optimization
>I mean pretty much every other zone that people will hang out in aside from Ashenvale.
Redridge, Stonetalon, Wetlands, 1k Needles
There's plenty of contested zones in that range
Don't think anyone will be hanging out in 1k needles since there's no reason for alliance to go there.
The rest are fair, but redridge and wetlands require a lot of running (without a mount) from horde so unless you're extremely dedicated you're just going to get slammed by questers.
Stonetalon borders ashenvale so it could be a decent zone for alliance to hunt down horde questers but why not just go to ashenvale?
m8 the only zones that aren't contested are the starter zones and cities. darkshore is kalimdor's alliance-side westfall. teldrassil is the uncontested zone
The majority of zones available at a low level are not contested, look up a list of what's contested or not, the answers might surprise you
>darkshore is kalimdor's alliance-side westfall.
Both Westfall and darkshore are uncontested, retard
im in westfall and flagged right now on classic era.
you can manually flag yourself
i never did that. as soon as i leave elwynn i get flagged
does it say contested when you mouse over the zone name on the minimap?
yes
that's odd because it's not actually a contested zone
there's several sources that confirms this
t. wrong
prove it
he can't, since he isn't me. i checked and i had a pvp addon flagging me
are you bored? do you enjoy forcing conversations to continue when the other person doesn't continue?
I accept your confession
>one side cannot start fights
Ashenvale is a contested zone, what are you on about? Also the raid resets every 3 days, if you log in every 3 days to play, I think that's fine
>>raid gnomeregan/rfk for gear you can't equip
>he won’t get his BiS for the next level cap in advance so he can rape people in PvP day 1
"BiS" at level 25 is like 1 stat point above a random green item. It literally wont make a difference.
Have you seen the gear from the BFD raid? There's some pretty nutty trinkets with static spell power and stuff. I bet there's a epics from last boss too
Yeah its basically the same itemlevel you can get in SFK or gnomer. maybe slightly better itemized but its still only 1-2 stat points above random greens. +10 AP from a trinket isn't going to make a difference.
Twinks are powerful because of enchants you wont be getting at level 25, not because the "BiS" gear they have is 2 stam better than a random quest item.
Gnomeregan and RFK lvl 25 and under drops
https://www.wowhead.com/classic/item=9509/petrolspill-leggings
https://www.wowhead.com/classic/item=9485/vibroblade
https://www.wowhead.com/classic/item=9490/gizmotron-megachopper
https://www.wowhead.com/classic/item=9487/hi-tech-supergun
https://www.wowhead.com/classic/item=9488/oscillating-power-hammer
https://www.wowhead.com/classic/item=9486/supercharger-battle-axe
https://www.wowhead.com/classic/item=1978/wolfclaw-gloves
https://www.wowhead.com/classic/item=2549/staff-of-the-shade
https://www.wowhead.com/classic/item=1727/sword-of-decay
https://www.wowhead.com/classic/item=1975/pysans-old-greatsword
https://www.wowhead.com/classic/item=1976/slaghammer
https://www.wowhead.com/classic/item=2039/plains-ring
https://www.wowhead.com/classic/item=2264/mantle-of-thieves
https://www.wowhead.com/classic/item=4438/pugilist-bracers
https://www.wowhead.com/classic/item=6679/armor-piercer
https://www.wowhead.com/classic/item=6685/death-speaker-mantle
They teased Gnomeregan would be the next raid. I bet you can't even enter it in SoD
That's for the 10 man version, I haven't heard them say that standard BFD doesn't exist anymore
They said they're also redoing all the quests to fit the raid. I highly doubt you can do the old BFD in SoD
I think it's more than likely they will have some sort of NPC or thing you activate outside the entrance like Mythic+ to turn it into 10man
it depends on how they will handle sharding, they might limit it
Also, you should expect smaller scale fights happening outside the pvp event areas
Have you ever actually world pvp'd before? I'm not memeing, just trying to understand your level of familiarity
Even in the TM vs SS battles in phase 2 you could have really fun small scale skirmishes on the edges of the fight. The real fun was of course in places like Dire Maul and BRM adjacent zones.
I helped a couple of guildies who wanted R14 asap in the first weeks of open world pvp and it was super fun just roaming the zones in a group of 3-5 and fighting other similar or bigger groups and taking them on. There were a few fights on zeppelins and ships that were funny as hell
We're not talking about 1v1s dummy.
>>you will either be that one class shitting on everyone or the other classes getting shit on
No one pvps lol. It'll be GDKP raid logging BFD week 1.
Yes, but before it dies there will be multiple levels of copium with people desperately gaslighting each other into saying their shitty build works. All the while people with brains get to farm the dregs in world pvp. It will be a fun week.
Leveling is slowed. Imagine being so dumb you cant read a powerpoint slide lmao.
Really nagger? Because I got a clip here with the devs saying your wrong. https://clips.twitch.tv/SullenAmusedDragonflyOSkomodo-ItaxKKHTXwn8l66d
SoD is the perfect recipe for world PvP
>unsolved meta with tons of new abilities
>capped at level 25 so people can't call their high level homosexual friends
>bis gear rewards for participating in a huge zone wide pvp event
This shit is gonna be a blast.
>enters the pvp zone
>roaming streamer with 50 followers stomps you
Such fun, wow!
so you don't play on the streamer server
problem solved
>he doesn't know
Every server is a streamer server
fix yo gif nigga
There's going to be like 2 servers max. They're all streamer servers.
>PvP oriented
thanks for letting me know, now I'll definitely not play it
I will not pretend that I had any interest in playing this, but IF I had any this would have killed it.
>factions balance is completely off balance because of palacucks so alliance just steamrolls horde through sheer numbers anyway
>Unbalanced server population as everybody goes to the faction with more players
Oops!
the wow community is so pathetic that you can solve this solely by getting some of the big wow streamers to go horde.
The biggest streamers will never go horde. They're all alliance players for 20 years now.
Hardlocked factions were a mistake
but xfers make $$$
>world PvP
>layering
Don't forget the part that Blizzard will offer exp boost once next cap(40) is raised
Give it 2 weeks and then part of community will be bored, and the other will turn the game into GKPD metafagging
Only thing that can save from bots is eventual SSF realm, but imagine paying sub for that.
>unsolved meta
>paladins are getting wotlk exorcism and crusader strike plus divine storm
>warriors get uhhh uhhh uhmm uhhh a shitty heroic strike knockoff, 10% damage and movespeed while dual wielding, uhhh victory rush
Paladins are back on top. Such is the way it should have always been.
>warriors are getting everything they had in original, including wbuffs
>+50% damage on top
Once we get to endgame you’re going to be crying for more buffs sissy boy. Nobody wants rets to be good, even in retail.
I'll always take a Ret over a Warrior. Good luck trying to use Quick Strike -> Heroic Strike for that "+50% damage on top", retard, because it shares the same CD.
>he didn’t even read his notes for shilling
lol. Ok don’t believe me. Ret is going to be super duper crazy !!!
>unsolved meta with tons of new abilities
game releases tuesday or thursday, by the
friday night when normies get to log in Fojji and Mervin will have their pay2win meta defining WeakAurus at 95% efficiency and at 100% by Sunday, nothing personnel boomer but you're already behind the curve
>unsolved meta
If they actually kept this shit secret and didn't fucking show everything maybe. If they also didn't pigeon hole everything into one choice per armor per spec as well. There isn't much to think about if you're a ret paladin for example, you will be grabbing CS, DS, and Rebuke.
This is different from their normal content. No PTR or public testing apart from the limited state available at Furrycon. The level 25 cap won't be the end game, it will be continuous content with phases, that's what the lame "oopsie secret slides" meant at the end of the presentation. Every rune won't be available from the start, so while it will still be meta-gamed it won't be 100% solved from the start, and that's fine. It is impossible to design game systems that won't be meta-gamed anyway.
Boomkids stood up just to sit back down again since they can't even access the best talents yet at 25. Enjoy the free weak little wrath casts I guess?
That's me, It's sad to see lame abilities like savage roar and lifebloom returning. I really hope they get some cooler shit later on.
I didn't even notice they got savage roar after years of trying to delete it from my memory that pretty crap lol
Feral DPS is pretty much forced to take it and waste combo points on it, hurray.
lifebloom is one of the best healing abilities in the game. it single handedly made resto into a unique powerful healer.
TBC lifebloom was really good hot you wanted to keep active as much as possible, but the rune they gave is stinky wrath lifebloom that you need to intentionally let fall off to make it "worth"
It's an ability that feels terrible to use, blowing 3 globals to get it up and then constantly having to be mindful about refreshing so it so doesn't run out at the wrong time, it's annoying. Lame modern WoW shit like that shouldn't be in the game, I play classic to get away from it.
in tbc you spent a lot of time rolling it on both tanks and it was amazing tank healing, wrath and later it's high maintenance and mediocre, it gets compared to beacon of light a lot and beacon >>> lifebloom while also being set and forget
>pve trannies already filtered
you love to see it
ele sham will be fun to pvp with at 25
lava burst always crits if flame shock is on target deals 195-256, that'll pretty much kill a clothie and it can double cast with Overload.
low IQ build. ancestral guidance + healing is more damage than dps specs while simultaneously healing your team.
that sounds boring as fuck, get killed in your little rain cloud in a 1v1. At lvl 25 most classes that aren't tanks barely have even over 600 health and you DON'T wanna use a wombo that will basically do most of their HP? thats just lame
>At lvl 25 most classes that aren't tanks barely have even over 600 health
after the first weeks all the pvpers are going to be twinked out and 1500+ hp minimum.
>wombo that has a chance to kill someone by critting for 300-375
>wombo that will guaranteed kill someone and heal someone to full for 400-450 noncrit, 600+ crit
yeah, i know what I'm picking.
>I wonder what people liked about Classic so much?
>doing piss easy sameshit dungeon/raid spam?
>turbo autistic abortion of the PvP?
>yeah, this is what people play classic for, also to min max in decade old game
Nu Blizzard being retarded as usual, altho the player base is even more retarded, was fun while it lasted.
>initially very excited about it
>the more i think about it, the worse it sounds
i would take fresh realms over this and i'm being dead serious.
>see the cool new active spells other casters get that do pretty great damage
>see druid
Starsurge is weak as PISS holy fuck, that's basically the same damage amount that wrath does around level 25.
I think that starsurge might actually be slightly weaker than wrath, which also costs zero mana if you get the rune lel
that's insane even with a free spell cast that balance is still probably gonna suck ass 🙁
sunfire seems like a weird choice to add in
The meta will vary depending on lvl cap.
At level 25, there's no mana regen and mana or resources is the most important thing. Fury of Stormrage will be mandatory for both boomie and resto druids.
For Ferals, at lvl 25 you don't have secondary stats. Savage Roar won't be worth it because the build up will be a bitch without crits for 2 combo points, and also low level making it have less value. damage increase isn't much. It's gonna be Wild Strikes, Mangle and Sunfire (more outlets of damage is more dps at low level) over Savage roar.
Boomie is gonna go starsurge due same reason. nothing else to get. Then Sunfire.
Rdruid is gonna go Wild Growth not to be useless, Lifebloom is fucking mid even in WOTLK. Mana is key at low level so Fury of Stormrage, Wild Growth and lifebloom because it synergizes with clearcasting for mana gain.
Anon you need to look which slots these spells sit in, mangle and sunfire take the same slot
Starsurge will cost 14 mana, and has a 10 second cooldown at level 25.
So I guess it's like just an extra button to press while spamming wrath
>druids get a windfury aura before shamans even can get weapon windfury buff
So Alliance is the defacto choice now, there's literally no reason to be horde anymore huh
>hes complaining about the druid runes
give back my fucking windfury totem
But you get a windfurry meowtem instead, what's not to love?
>Lacerate
>Damage+weapon damage
>MCP is fucking dead
Kinda happy, but also sad. I think I had over 2k crowd pummeler kills when I stopped playing Classic
Zamn the weapon damage thing is pretty big
i bet prot paladin bots will be able to solo stockades and create a huge rmt issue that will continue to ruin future phases
This is what I'm doing. Prot paladin aoe farming.
So now that it's been a few months did hardcore devolve into bots and twinks like Ganker predicted?
You can't really twink on hardcore since, you know...
No bots on sight yet, most likely due to risk of bot fucking up patching or breaking/getting mogged by hyper spawns. Also there is a lot of attention paid to hardcore servers by the community so most brain dead farms are no-go.
Twinks yes, bots not really. There's not enough demand to justify botting in mass.
Theres bots and gold buying and yes everyone hoards their shit and twinks out a dual fiery enchant at level 1 or whatever.
its a complete joke but that shouldn't be surprising when the whole game mode is made for streamers and their retarded fanboys.
So let me get this straight, paladins get a better rogue blade flurry that hits an extra mob and restores mana to the party, they get divine storm that also aoes and heals the party, they can auto dispel fear/sleep effects, crusader strike just restores their mana bars, they have them strength of earth/grace of air totem but on a fucking buff that applies BOTH of them to the group, and they get fucking beacon healing?
Compared to the other classes runes it sounds like they just dropped in retail pally
The best part is they get all that without spending a single talent point! So hybrid prot/holy specs with all the damage of a ret are going to exist.
People wanted the polar opposite of this. Playing retail with old abilities, like Pandaria's.
Give druids
Starfall
Symbiosis
Full Moon
probably not incarn cuz that'll make the burst window shit gameplay happen but eh
Symbiosis would actually be insane, but let's be honest that's way too much work for devs to bother with
>horde really have all the advantages on classi-ack
PvE wise Alliance is better. PvP wise Horde is better and it is not even a discussion. Hardness alone is better than anything else in the entire game.
Wait, doesn’t Horde have Bloodlust, why is Alliance better for Raiding
Bloodlust is a TBC thing
Shit, that’s right it was a level 70 spell for Shamans.
That’s gotta be some Mandela effect going on because that’s not how I remembered it at all.
No, I think you're just retarded.
Bloodlust doesn't exist. Alliance has blessings, auras, and sword skill racial. These are so extremely strong the horde doesn't have anything that competes in pve from shaman.
blessing of salvation from paladins makes it easier to pump dps without pulling aggro from the tank
Kings outscales windfury totem is the bigger reason
Paladin Blessings simply have better numbers than Shaman Totems.
Strength of Earth gives 77 STR, Blessing of Might gives 185 AP for example. Blessing of Kings is completely broken, and Alliance also has Salvation, when Horde only has Windfury, which might seem strong, it isn't as strong as BoK and it's harder to use because it's only for the Shaman's group.
Humans also have Sword specialization and the best tanking weapon is a sword
I don't get why they didn't add more weapon racials if they aren't changing how weapon skill works. It's probably the easiest change they could make that would still be Vanilla like. LIke why the fuck doesn't Tauren have mace skill but humans do.
Yeah, it's a relic from the time when the devs didn't realize how good the racial is. They should add those racials for both factions
>Undead/Human sword
>Troll/Gnome dagger
>NElf/Orc Axe
>Tauren/Dwarf mace
Night elf with axe doesnt make sense
Well from melee weapons polearm would make the most sense, but they're fucking useless.
Axes were meant to their melee weapon of choice in War 3.
Night elf with a bow skill makes more sense, but useless unless you make ranged weapons glance as well
Doesn't it also reduce hit? So not 100% worthless. They should just remove it all together though. It just makes loot a bigger pain in the ass.
Naw I like the quirky weapon skills and damage formulas. Retail “solved” that though you should take a peek.
I didn't play Hunter in Classic, but I know they need very little hit to reach the hit cap. +Weapon skill is basically useless for ranged
>he didn't even read the full post
Christ these meta shills are fucking retarded. You know who you are.
they should just enforce 50/50 ratio of alliance and horde, at least on pvp servers.
Will they make the class sets tokens and give 3 spec variations?
steroids.
Tell us you're gay without telling us you're gay.
what are some other things they could do for a seasonal server?
They could make new content and hire some jannies to ban bots and gold buyers all day.
Sounds fun, im resubbing for it.
Finally something for leveling/world content and raiders are shafted.
>something for leveling/world content
Good luck leveling with PvP shitters absolutely everywhere
Sounds fun, I loved quests that took you to the other side. 90% of the time its going to be chill leveling and exploration for new runes and 10% killing horde scum.
I also love how much butthurt Ganker has that Vanilla+ is here and Blizz actually got it right. Vanilla + more skills + more content + slower leveling + smaller raid content. Its literally perfect.
https://www.wowhead.com/classic/talent-calc/rogue/0053201-02505501-502250103022
potential rogue tank build, getting combo points on dodges seems pretty strong
Rogue tank may be the only time rogue has even sounded remotely interesting to me.
Pulling an entire room then invis and watching everyone evaporate is peak vanilla gameplay.
If Rogues get a reliable AoE threat generator they can get infinite combo points and Riposte procs on big packs.
>skips Endurance
>skips fucking Prep
>Improved SS instead of Hemo??
The people on Ganker are shitters and never had to come up with their own build. They have always just copied a streamer guide.
Endurance
non issue if he would have taken prep
Hemo is trash unless he's raidlogging since SS crits are far more dps in most non-group situations.
rogue tank involves stacking parry so you won't be dodging as much as you think.
>requires 60
Would you support raid lock level gain? Like, in order to level past level 25 once they release the next stuff you need to finish the BFD before you can earn XP for level 26-whatever the next cut off is.
It would probably be a good thing if the first 10 mans were simple and easy, to slowly get more people into raiding. There is a giant gap between those who raid and those intimidated by them.
But 40 mans are AIDs and anyone saying otherwise needs to get necked.
The other possible idea I can see them doing is doing overworld map changes once you complete BFD. I forget the term for it, but its been around for decades at this point.
gonna be aids for low pop servers and over populated roles (dps)
a bunch of the dps roles got tank/heal specs now though, so I'm not sold the overpopulation will be quite as bad.
Nearly every class gets to tank so it probs wont be an issue anymore
I just want to see what mage tank spec we get, obviously something frost related. Hunter is confirmed to get pet tanking later.
Man I am so curious as to whether warlock tank will be good. It'll be the only one with significant self heal and DoTs which could be really strong.
zoomers will lick up this slop like cum in a butthole.
oh shut the fuck up already
>We want class balance changes!
>okay so TBC and Wrath mostly fixed this so here is those abilities
>REEE NOT LIKE THAT
The people hating on the rune shit probably just wanted random shit to be buffed by 10-30% and left as is otherwise.
>We want class balance changes!
Yes, like fix the talent trees that were not viable before.
It shouldn't be the best(as in raiding), but good enough for other content(dungeons/small raids)
Tank Paladin and Tank Druid changes are good
They are making those trees viable, by introducing new skills that would probably benefit from being in those specs.
Or they could you know, improve the existing itemization for those roles and the talents rather than introducing expansion skills.
Yeah, but please remind me which Vanilla trees were intended for Rogue, Warlock tanks and Mages healers?
they added the modern wow talent trees into classic, on top of the other talent trees. the changes should have been gradual, they went full retard with it from the get.
they should probably say they are going to give horde a Bloodlust rune on shaman or it's going to be Alliance dominated on all servers.
I am SUPER STOKED about season of discovery!
never played vanilla or classic
but i will definitely be playing this!
good morning sir
This but unironically. I've been looking for a "Vanilla-style MMO that isn't literally a game from two decades ago" for a while. That's why I didn't play on official Classic: I wanted a new and improved game, not the same exact videogame as 2004.
I hope they make the open-world a lot harder compared to Vanilla though. I know they won't, but I'd love if people were forced to party-up in order to level-up.
I don't mean "you need a perfect group composition," but rather "I can barely survive a 1v1 encounter with this random mob, I'd complete this quest a lot faster if I grouped with that other player over there."
Basically, the Warrior levelling experience but for every class.
vanilla wow but every mob is elite
>I hope they make the open-world a lot harder compared to Vanilla though. I know they won't,
yeah
it would be nice if they take setting and remake the world systems but it would not happen
heh
I wonder if these two rune synergise? Surely not, it would be the most overpowered shit i have ever seen
Well, they're on the same slot so no cigar.
My bad, I wasn't clear with what I meant.
Two separate priests, disc priest with the first rune, holy with the other
I highly doubt it would work, but it'd be hilarious if it did.
They go into the same slot, so they don't stack.
You guys really need to let go.
I'm still gonna play it, and so is most of this thread.
I don't believe people who pay attention like this still don't play the game.
Playing it =/= it’s enjoyable. You’ll have to go into it and grit your teeth that most people will call it retarded and bad.
If they wanted a safe route, they would’ve done the new content with like 1 new ability for each class. Instead they created this DoA abomination and your horde of shills have to defend it non stop.
I dunno, I think it might be fun. And it's like they said, they are gonna just experiment and see what works. I'm glad to just see something interesting happening.
They already had something interesting. Why does this argument always come up when there’s criticism? People largely wanted a product that kept the theme of classic; this is retail in a classic skin.
>They already had something interesting.
No they didn't, what are you smoking?
>classic with more raids and fleshed out zones
Absolute slam dunk. Instead they listened to dads with no time to even play the game about “Class balance”.
And now were getting that + even more. Cry more.
Paladin got runes at lvl 25 that some classes might see in endgame. Pally is going to be the clear winning in P1 and it wont even be close
is there any run that fixes the fact you can literally just run away and a paladin can't do anything about it?
engineering
if they havent added anything engineering really doesnt fix any of paladins problems
nades and net-o-matic
How are you getting any kills if you're just running away from everyone? Just stop playing at that point
running away just means resetting, for a mage it can mean getting a new sheep on you, for a rogue it can mean restealting for an opener, for a warrior getting out of combat for a charge etc... and thats the issue with paladins, in 1v1s they're about as good as your opponent allows you to be
mmm yes let the paladin get full health and some mana back while your resources keep dwindling sounds like a great idea I'm sure that sheep will make a difference THIS time when you couldn't global him last time at the same health levels
errr well they can just spam you down with exorcism I guess since it can now be cast on anything and has huge range, plus 8% movespeed they gonna get you at lvl 25 when everyone else is slow as fuck.
by everyone you mean warlocks and priests? I think every other class has either move speed or blinks higher than 8% by lvl 25.
I mean they get a ranged 10 second daze, you are gonna get caught eventually and probably pretty quickly.
Wait that's literally just better than concussive shot and it hits 3 people rofl. Okay what streamer sucked off blizzard for this?
It should silence them too tbh senpai
with how much damage a pally can instantly put out now you might die in a global even at 25. the BFD raid had them instantly doing also 600-700 dmg on pull when everyone else was doing maybe 100-200. So you betta run boy.
I'm going to play druid. It might not be OP but I never played one and it looks fun.
if they nail the world pvp aspects i will play just play 24 hours every day shitposting in chat all day ganking naggers
Warriors are going to be rare. They are getting shit on hard in SoD
so what alliance race should i be for priest? i don't give a fuck about racials
if you don't care about racials than you should play whatever the fuck looks cooler to you why are you asking others?
because i know the 'correct' answer is dorf. but maybe someone would bring up a point i hadn't considered
Shadowmeld is really good for world PvP and iirc Starshards was actually the choice for min max shadow because of mana issues. It's also arcane if spell locked.
female nightelf
Mope, cope, and shop for ropes warrgins
Your time in the sun is GONE
Yeah wow you’re going to be so OP you should let everyone know.
Aaaaand here's the turtle boss, fucking warrgin isn't even on the meters. Paladins are gonna be soooo fucking busted rofl
Pallychads rise up. It's our time.
To be fair, warriors scale with gear. Paladins not so much.
Yeah I don't get why this is a surprise. Warriors were never OP at 25. Even at 35 when they can get WW axe they still aren't OP.
I literally dropped my axe when I saw this....warrsissies...it is actually fucking over
>Paladins, Rogues, and Hunters at the top
Based
I fucking kneel
ill see you homosexuals in ashenvale. i'll be in my 5 man deathsquad in all BFD raid gear cleansing the entire zone
Unless they merge realms, lock factions or do some sort of cross server shit there will be zero world pvp because everyone just zergs the same server every time
>thread full of dpsfags posting spreadsheets
This crap is a scheme to have retail players play "classic" so they can have numbers supposedly proving they won't have products competing with eachother.
This is not classic+, its a marketing gimmick.
>people are going to ask the warcraft logs guy to make logs for their level 25 baby "raids" so they can dickwave and collect data on which class they will never invite because killing the boss in 55 seconds instead of 52 seconds is a matter of life and death
>dumb slavic nagger keeps using his moonrunes time and time again
>gets bannedwarned time and time again
>doesn't learn his lesson
You are russian all right.
>Ascension
lol, lmao even
>5 year old video
lol wow really reaching for an opinion that matches your retarded ass huh
i'll gladly pay 14.99$ so I don't have to play with subhuman third worlders like you
>complains
>still subscribes and plays out of curiosity
never change retards. CEO needs a nice multimillion dollar paycheck.
hope they give something for balance druids that is so disgustingly OP because right now I wanna roll fucking paladin
They gave balance druids an option to respec into WF buffbot cat form, that's better than most classes could ask for
Its fucking wild they give a Shaman thing to a Druid so Alliance take one of the Horde-only things.
I don't think horde would benefit too much from pally buffs, it's paladin as a whole that's gonna rip the faction balance wide open
they need to give balance druid starfall 100%, add a rune that makes hurricane not dogshit stinky. just make them absurd aoe gods
They actually need to announce soon that they are giving Bloodlust to Horde or it's going to be 95% Ally / 5% Horde
AT BEST
Wrong. They need to announce a separate different broken ability for the other faction to preserve faction identity.
>it's going to be 95% Ally / 5% Horde
Based.
Bloodlust as a secret relic would be the giga chad move. Imagine all the sweaties needing to reroll after they find out.
It's gonna be time warp, enjoy
inb4 they give bloodlust to druids
Give Bloodlust to warriors but make it reduce their personal DPS.
wait that's a good idea, but uh call it Rage of the Wild.
So let me get this new disaster straight
>Vanilla server
>Slower than vanilla leveling due to new content and quests
>New rune system for helms/chest/arms/legs which give new or update old abilities
>Runes are hidden around the world and need to be found to be unlocked
>Are unlocked permanently on your account not character
>Runes improve existing subclasses, or brand allow new subclasses like tank warlock and tank rogue
>Most runes so far are for tanks/healing, the biggest bottleneck in vanilla
>Most runes are similar to or identical to popular class additions from future expansions
>25 max level so end game is not relevant for now
>new 10-man raid at level 25
>Testing what they are adding now to see what works then adding cut content and new content progressively until they hit level cap
Jesus this is horrific. They're basically taking vanilla, a beloved product which everyone has played to death and introducing new content so its fresh while tackling some of vanillas largest issues. They should burn in hell for this.
>can’t get a thread going so they rely on cheap bait
At what point do you see the number of posters in each thread and realize this shits doa?
>300 replies
>100 posters
>multiple daily threads
Anon, I agree with you, this idea for WoW is terrible. It makes absolutely no logical sense at all.
We should all stop posting right now about it.
Wow threads usually die in under 100 posts yet there is always at least one or two up at all times. Only reason why they fill up now is because people are shitting on it but it will die down soon enough. Before the news the wowg threads on /vg/ lasted for days because there was nothing to discuss.
I don’t think you were even critical and he’s still trying to reply on cheap bait to revive the thread lol
>doing victory laps on page 5
>announcement was 2 days ago
Embarrassing. Deflect away.
Anons this new version of WoW is shit, we NEED to stop posting about it right now
Neither of us are posting about it though
What's a good time to start classic WoW for someone who never played any WoW? I feel like some comfy relaxed leveling and doing quests without using my brain after work.
Should I wait until classic+ and start there? Will there be new players or do they transfer from normal classic?
This will literally be the best time ever to start, since they’re capping the max level to 25, something attainable in a couple days for even the most casual.
Normally we’re looking at a week minimum, and possibly several months for a new player, at which point you’re way far behind.
>flesh out and make viable all specs and even create new ones
>do it without the silly level/power inflation in the expansions
Sounds great
>"keeping it vanilla" -blizzcon speakers
>turn vanilla 2h enh into tbc/wotlk dw enhance
i'm actually assmad.
dw enhance is better gameplay wise and thematically, get over it. 2h wf was a meme slot machine spec that you only remember for le epic pvp videos
>dw enhance is better gameplay wise and thematically, get over it. 2h wf was a meme slot machine spec that you only remember for le epic pvp videos
almost everyone who wants to play enhance shaman in vanilla wants to play the meme slot machine. you might find you like dw more, but you are part of the minority when it comes to classic. if people wanted dw and lavalash, they'd play wotlk, not vanilla.
also its not just something i saw in pvp videos, remember 2019/2020 classic happened? i enjoyed playing it. a lot of people enjoyed playing it, and retards who are going to support dw in classic+ should to stick to wotlk/cata classic servers, because thats where dw/lavalash belongs.
>dw enhance is better gameplay wise and thematically, get over it.
why not make 2h better gameplay wise? instead of copy pasting shit from newer xpacs, add new stuff that doesn't turn it into newxpac content?
when you merely take from newer xpacs, youre introducing things that people are trying to avoid. the whole point of classic is that its supposed to NOT be what the expansions are, and that doesn't mean we can't have classic+
do you understand why you are a stupid wrathbaby peasant idiot and i am a million iq 2h wielding genius?
>Earthmother's Strength
>Allows the shaman to dual-wield two-handed weapons.
problem solved
why the fuck are there so many versions of this game
where do you even go as a noob. i know retail is out of the question
Classic era or hardcore. Retail is a waste of time. SoD will be a waste of time but at least they’re thoughtful about capping the time they’re wasting.
yea i was thinking hc classic. 60 seems like a solid goal without getting too wrapped up in the game
i already did that like 20 years ago when tbc first came out.
>parents buy me wow
>didnt like it
>go back to playing dbz budokai tenkaichi
retail is big gay and i dont want to get super involved in this game, im basically an mmo virgin
>retail is big gay and i dont want to get super involved in this game
I don't think its the game for you then. Classic WoW is more involved than retail. Probably ten times as involved regardless of which version you play. Its Black Desert tier grinds.
You play another game and never look back.
>i know retail is out of the question
I played classic when it was new. It was shit. Burning crusade was shit, wrath of the lich king was shit even though retard paladin was fun. I liked BfA better when I came back for that expansion. Classes all flowed better and weren't clunky with more viable builds. Content patches ruined BfA though.
That's Blizzard's business strategy. Release expansion, ruin it through content patches, make everyone quit so they'll buy the next expansion that fixes everything broken and retarded they did in content patches. So start playing retail when a new expansion releases or don't play it at all, drop it after the first content patch gear reset and wait for the next expansion to unfuck it again.
>Make no changes
AoE xp farming sucks, spamming dungeons to level sucks, world buffs suck, why can't they do some small changes
>Make some changes (Season of Mastery)
This is shit nobody asked for this why are they wasting their time
>Make big changes
These aren't the big changes I wanted, fucking retail shit in MY game WTF
I'm starting to see why there are no sane developers left at Blizzard
I went to blizzcon, got to hang out with some classic devs who are in my guild after the con at a bar. We talked for a while and the tldr is, higher ups didn't want to do cata or classic seasons at all. Hc ended up being too popular to ignore, SOD is a beta test to see if interest is still there for a new vanilla experiment. If SOD succeeds you get classic +. Without the gay augments runes. More instead a more traditional classic game with new content and expansions.
>beta test something completely different to see if there's interest in something else
???????
>If SOD succeeds you get classic +. Without the gay augments runes.
Multiple sources say that the runes ARE classic+, so what is it? Going to need some serious condemnation of this “experiment” down the line if that’s the case.
Yeah it's it doesn't make much sense. We pressed him on that specific thought as well and got an even dumber answer. We were told that the team didn't want to do class changes like this but needed something crazy to stir up interest because the financial leadership at Blizzard didn't and still doesn't want to continue classic. He also said the classic team was given 20 new devs from other projects (mainly retail) and a decent budget for SOD. But as I stated, if sod flopped then any future projects would be axed.
>guys I know it looks like retailslop but its just a beta test for the REAL classic+ but it has to be a success!!
>PLESE REDEEM RESUB SIRS
no thanks
FUCK nagger AGGREND PUT SEALTWISTING BACK IN WHY WOULD YOU IRL GOBLIN TAKE OUT ONE OF THE CORE MECHANICS OF THE CLASS YOU TIRPLE TURBO Black
God the retail seethe is insane, you fags really thought metzen would save it
You get $90 expansions every year and you will like it
Biggest hack confirmed. Never have I seen such lack of vision.
metzen was the guy responsible for tbc, cata, wod, & legion remember
Okay, how much additional monetization is going to be packaged into this mode?
how people are still interested in this slop is beyond me
dw guys they will fix the imbalance/your class issues when they raise the level cap, i promise!
i mean you can't prove they wont
https://www.wowhead.com/classic/talent-calc/shaman/0523015-0505000055503151
opinions on my shaman tank spec? obviously its only 25 at the start but im just thinking out loud for the future
which class should i make on turtle wow? nightelf
Druid? What’s turtle have for them?
Buffs, more optimised items, new raid buff (earned in new raid) and less mana issues, also a feral enchant in hyjal that gives you energy for shape shifting
>Formerly beloved dev tries to dip their toes into trying something new after years of stagnation and maintaining the status quo
>Ganker bites their heads off because it's "not enough"
Horseshoe theory is real, Ganker is just like the troons who never let someone forget they said something phobic years ago. There is no reasoning with you retards.
Its completely meaningless, Ganker exists for people to sperg out on.
I'm gonna lock tank and thats that
I literally dont care about anything else
>trying something new
More like they decided to copy a private server they played out of desperation since Season of Mastery failed.
There's nothing new lol. Making BFD a raid isn't new. It is very low effort if anything.
It's a rip of Ascension, a project by unpaid volunteers, come on man, stop being so easily impressed by such lazy work
I reserved judgement until I read the abilities. They are poorly designed. Some tie mechanics together that should never be tied for design or balance reasons (Healing -> Damage, Instant cast spammable ranged slows, bonus damage for not moving). The abilities show that the devs do not understand their own game. Shield abilities do next to nothing but mage can heal itself to full every time it casts arcane explosion. Sure there are some interesting abilities with cool interactions but all it takes is one broken interaction and everything else is invalidated.
The best way to have fun with SoD is to give up on it. Acknowledge it's going to be a broken mess, find an OP build and abuse every snowflake as punishment for hyping up this pile of garbage.
>Stupid peepee meme image into retardedly safe happy post with an attack on Ganker right after said post in multiple WoW threads right after a big announcement.
Why do you keep making these style of post in WoW threads? Are you actually being paid???
>Imb4 NO I DON'T
You're in every thread. You're paid or a retarded in serious need of meds.
"people" like you are why pepe cant get posted without being called a dumb frog
you get called a homosexual too
>Formerly beloved baker tries to dip they/their toes into shitting on stale bread after years of not baking new bread
>People complains that it smells like shit
>>Ganker bites their heads off because it's "not enough"
No, because it's not what anyone asked for. No one asked for a dogshit version of ascension.
inb4 SoD realm population balance destroyed by streamers
i miss the old days when you only knew famous wow players from seeing shitty pvp montage clips that had nu metal play in them. thats all there was, and they were more like players than celebs.
Give me the ability to use worgen and vulpera in classic and I won't have any reason to play retail ever again.
literally goyslop. but of course the wowcucks will pay for anything blizzard shits out
Are those retards at Blizzard modifying Classic more then their actual base game?
yes and clowns here are justifying it
I don't care what changes they make, the fact that they're going to release the phases with no testing is going to make this jank kino.
this is honestly the best case scenario for classic+ classic is all about the leveling experience and doing low level content. You little shits didnt play back in early 06 before battlegrounds but ashenvale was sort of the pvp zone for low levels. there was a lot of group pvp play and it was great. People didnt care about lvling up asap they just wanted to have fun in a new game. This will kinda force you to do that and make things seem fresh.
its hard to imagine blizzard doing a better job with classic +. Especially with 90% of the fanbase just wanting more endgame content to raid log for.
The entire trainwreck that is modern WoW, both retail and Classic, has caused me to play Turtle WoW and I have had more fun this past weekend than I did the last time I played modern WoW years ago.
Blizzard is just beyond retarded and incompetent at this point.
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Cry about it, homosexual, private servers put Blizzard to shame.
If I want to play classic at this point should I play on Classic Era, Turtle WoW, or wait for SoD?
>classic+ turning into old ascension
fucking kek