>Smogon is great because every Pokemon gets to be good in some tie-

>Smogon is great because every Pokemon gets to be good in some tie-

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Isn't this fricking thing OP as frick in BW?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Not OP as frick, but it could hit like a truck on sand teams

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    he’s good in random battles 🙂

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Stoutland is a top tier PU Pokemon in every generation its in. If you want a Wallbreaker with Good Coverage in PU, you pick Stoutland

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Can't believe some morons used Komala like this too in gen 7 but with Sleep talk instead of Retaliate

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      That’s actually hilariously genius

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It was fun

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine being part of a piece of shit community where they pretend you can do whatever you want but make you feel like shit if you want to try to find some good starts

    I had to figure out on my own that Cursola with an assault vest against special attackers is pretty fun

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Cursola is pure ghost
      What the frick?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Gen 8 loved monotypes for some reason

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Man, frick I wish we got it in Gen 9
          Gen 9 fricking loved adding unused type combinations
          We would have finally gotten Rock/Ghost

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Gen 9 so far is tied with (base) Gen 8 as far as unused types being added. So far Gen 8 after DLC and Legends has still added more unused type combos.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              What type combos did Legends add?

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Fighting/Poison and Normal/Ghost, nevermind.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                fighting/poison isn't new, Croagunk and Toxicroak had it in gen 4

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Then it was just normal/ghost.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      You can honestly make any set “work” to a degree, but if your goal is to win consistently then you need Pokémon that are good enough to consistently perform well in battles. It’s that simple. If you just want to have fun and don’t care about winning, then go ahead and use whatever you want. You’ll probably win every now and then if you’re good enough

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I get that G-Corsola is a much better choice with it's gimmick but you can't seriously think Cursola is useless, it's basically stronger than Gengar and Perish Body punishes physical attackers

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        worse speed and movepool.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Perish Body also affects Cursola. On the off chance it survives a resisted physical hit, it's on a timer to switch out or die as well. Nobody whats to use a bulky attacker like that.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Anon, there are plenty of Pokemon with massive stats who can't do shit due to other factors.
        Like Rampardos, but still, I agree with the general point that shouldn't act like they are useless, they are still pretty nice to use

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Rampardos
          Friendly reminder that "they went extinct for a reason" is a bullshit excuse for shit like this.

          There is NOTHING preventing a fossil Pokémon from having good stats and movepool. Same can be said for almost every Rock-type Pokémon as well.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >"they went extinct for a reason" i
            Hell, this excuse makes even less sense when Dracovish is so overpowered despite when it canonically shouldnt even exist.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Dracovish never went extinct.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Dracovish is actually an entirely new species.
              Although saying "they went extinct for a reason" is stupid since survival of the fittest isn't survival of the physically strongest. Plenty of species died out despite being able to kill most other animals, and some survived better being domesticated.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Dracovish never went extinct.

              A better example would be Bolt Beak from the fossilized bird, which only has 75 spd when stuck to the Draco legs, and would presumably be much faster if it was originally a Rock/Electric raptor.
              The original form of the fish fossil is less likely to be any faster, although may have had Swift Swim, which would make it even more devastating in the rain.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Rampardos
          Friendly reminder that "they went extinct for a reason" is a bullshit excuse for shit like this.

          There is NOTHING preventing a fossil Pokémon from having good stats and movepool. Same can be said for almost every Rock-type Pokémon as well.

          >"they went extinct for a reason" i
          Hell, this excuse makes even less sense when Dracovish is so overpowered despite when it canonically shouldnt even exist.

          165 Attack Stat is fricking massive and I'm glad my boy still ranks among the highest

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            you give that homie rock head and a usable speed stat and he goes straight to ubers

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              I just like pressing a button and doing massive damage
              PLA Strong Style Rampardos is so fricking satisfying, even though Head Smash fricking kills him

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Yes.
        Imagine Hoopa-C, but worse in literally every way imaginable.
        >Every stat besides SpD is lower, which effectively means worse SpD because of lower HP
        >All abilities would be great on majority of Pokemon, but Cursola is too frail to ever take a decent physical attack and would still be too slow to abuse Weak Armor
        >Fighting coverage is literally just Revenge, only Bug coverage physical moves, and no Fairy coverage, so it can’t defend itself against Dark types
        >Best boosting move it has is Calm Mind, no Nasty Plot
        >Can’t supliment its awful speed with Trick Room
        >Only things it has over Hoopa are Stealth Rock, Strength Sap, and Will-o-wisp, none of which it can pull off nor would it be enough to offset the drop in everything else

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Are you so insecure that your feelings are hurt when you think a set might be good, only to find out it's shit? Do you require the validation of online nobodies that badly?

      Also, if your set is shit, take it to OU and win with it to prove you're that skilled. Many top OU players will utilize shitmons unironically. Blunder has showcases where he'll use the occasional Tropius on high ladder. None of that PIMPNITE staged garbage.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Imagine caring this much about Poketubers who ALL fake their videos.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Don't use [pokémon]
      Are they the police of Pokémon???

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        They just get outclassed, thats what the smogontroon meant.
        Just play with whatever the frick you want, if youre good you can predict and outplay the frick out of the majority of players running meta teams

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >110 atk
          >80 speed
          >Good abilities
          >Somehow outclassed even in PU
          ??? How hard did the power creep hit?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            it lost return

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >no return
              >no double edge
              >no body slam
              Its STAB options are Strength, Facade, and fricking Take Down.

              WHY DIDNT YOU SAY SO?

              Yucki! THIS POKEMON STINKS!!

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >WHY DIDNT YOU SAY SO?
                because google is free, autistic homosexual

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >no return
            >no double edge
            >no body slam
            Its STAB options are Strength, Facade, and fricking Take Down.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Don't use [pokémon]
      Are they the police of Pokémon???

      You're allowed to use whatever shitmon you want, the purpose of the analyses is to serve as a guide for new players. Since Smogon is currently short on people to write analyses anyways, I guess they just created the "Don't use X" placeholder to warn anyone looking for a set that the mon they're choosing is not ranked or used anywhere and is probably shit.

      I get that G-Corsola is a much better choice with it's gimmick but you can't seriously think Cursola is useless, it's basically stronger than Gengar and Perish Body punishes physical attackers

      >your punishment for hitting the mon with 60/50 physical bulk with a physical move is perish song
      That's not much of a punishment anon.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Reminder the corruped omgon pedophile tier leaders unironically teammed up to shit on some pokemon so that they would drop to a lower tier to make the meta below "comfier" or fill in a missing role.

      Reminder an admin homosexual copied my Gen 6 Specs Krookodile with Sludge Bomb to break Slowking/Tangrowth/Rotom-C/Fairyblobs & co stall cores and I am still mad about it because it even appeared as optional build in their dex eventually after most people with cookiecutter teams laughed at it while losing to a reliable gimmick.
      I hate those c**ts.

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I don't understand this mentality of constantly making the tiers sound dogshit
    PU?
    ZU?
    What the frick is this shit bro, why don't you make fun of the top tier by calling the tier Tryhards

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It's because they're elitists who only value the creme-de-la-crop. If it's under UU, they're labeled a shtimon and dismissed unless it becomes a counter for a metapick.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      What would you call something below "Never Used"?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Untiered, duh

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          They have that, but the selection of sub-NU Pokemon is great enough now that there are tiers below it.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      OU is called 'Overused", that's pretty much calling it a tryhard tier

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Yes Smogon is shut, but it’s still an improvement over the the actual game because at last teirs exist. It’s not Smogon’s fault that Game Freak gimped some Pokémon so much that they are completely worthless.

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Smogontrannies got lazy since SwShit era

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    They do "Restrictions", like not letting Sandy Shocks hold Mega Stones for some fricking reason, so, stop being pussies and do that more often

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      What?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Sandy Shocks
      >Mega Stone
      ???

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The Surf/After You Stoutland + Dynamax Weakness Policy Gigalith combo in SWSH was really good.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Expecting /vp/ to understand the actual purpose of Pokemon

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The 'Don't use X' sets are just placeholders because no one ever made an analysis and they don't want to leave the Pokemon blank. If you write up a (half-decent) analysis and submit it on their site they'll gladly publish it

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/trjHNIR.jpg

      >Smogon is great because every Pokemon gets to be good in some tie-

      You could even fake it
      I know absolutely nothing about Gen 8 ZU so lets take a peek

      >Kanghaskan
      >Miltank
      >Bouffalant
      >Regigigas

      Considering that one of Stoutlands competitors has the best Base Stat Total in the tier even with its attack and Speed Halved,one has Reliable Recovery, and the other has EQ and amazing coverage.... yeah it was hopeless from the start

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Tiers exist for a reason so Pokemon can be adjusted properly with their comparisons.
    With so many Pokemon, it's almost impossible to make everything balanced.
    But at the same time, you shouldn't make anyone feel bad for wanting to use a Pokemon.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      except for those Slurpuff homosexuals
      we all know you dont like the pokemon you just like being disgusting HO rats

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >NOOOOO IF YOU DON'T LOVE A POKEMON YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO USE IT

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    What the frick happened in analysis? I remember in gen 7 every shitter imaginable had an analysis but in gen 8 even some OU mons don't have one

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Gen 8 fricking sucked, that's what happened.
      If anyone ever asks which Smogon meta was the worst, remind them of the time even Smoggies didn't want to bother with it. Lets hope gen 9 doesn't get as bad.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Gen 8 truly was the worst.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      mostly because gen 8 introduced the concept of the metagame massively changing with the addition of mid-gen DLC + Home releases, thus rendering previous analyses useless, and there's just not enough interest among people to do semi-frequent updates

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Oh man, this new Pokemon is great, I love him, I wonder what Strategies smogon has for-

    >Don't use _____

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    A testament to how lazy Smoggie was in Gen 8. Firstly, Stoutland is a fine wallbreaker in Sand. Not the best, but you could get away with using it on Gigalith teams in RU. Secondly, every other gen's joke analysis actually had effort put into it. Think about Gen 5 Hoppip or Gen 6 Beautifly.

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >omgon

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      it's still so fricking funny to me that Aegi is banned from Gen 7 OU with all the degeneracy there still is in this tier

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Magearna and Greninja staying were mistakes.

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >omgon

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Phone poster
      >/vp/ is still mindbroken because Dynamax, the only gimmick they banned, is objectively broken
      checks out.

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I remember I made holes on balance teams by just spamming CB Adamant Stoutland with Scrappy and Facade when Scald and Toxic was still a thing, now it's mostly Toxic Spikes that survived.

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