Paladins are going to be fucking BUSTED now
Warlocks are going to be fucking REALLY BUSTED now
Priests are going to have some more spells to cast before going oom now
Warriors are going to stay GODS now (when the game is over and they are fully geared and no one gives a fuck anymore)
Hunters are probably going to be actually decent now
Mages are going to be fucking HEALERS now
Druids are going to remain dog shit buffers STILL and WEAKEST heals STILL
Rogues are going to try to TANK now and get one shot by a raid boss because they have no upfront mitigation, low armor, and low health
Shamans are going to be FUCKING GOOD NOW
People still playing this shit? I thought everyone went to 14
they are releasing their own funserver with changed shit
season of ascension is literally a downgrade of Ascension
Ascension is giga slop. At least SoD will have classes and a proper open world.
how buckbroken are the retards that still pay blizz for worse versions of pserver content
The fact that anyone has given Blizz money since 2010 is saddening.
If private servers fixed pathing and animation spasms I would be forever on private servers. That's one area that really kills it for me.
Streamers still keep this game alive. Sadly WoW used to be a good game back in the day and a lot of the most successful streamers are old wowfags, so everytime there is a new expansion they hype it up as the best thing ever and their audience will comeback with them.
Troons went to 14, people with some sense of good video games went to private servers.
And then you also have the blizzdrones who keep paying
>classic players
>went to 14
Don't flatter yourself xivtroon. Retoilet hons went and are staying contained.
But yes op, sod should be a decent diversion until project epoch.
gb2 moon guard with that character
I did, WoW just doesn't interest me anymore. Wanted to see what Season of Discovery would do, but they are only adding one dungeon and capping the max level.
Blizzard is just doing the bare mininum with this.
Both are pretty much shit at this point, yoshitpiss game is for modders, botters, and coomers only.
Why would someone go to an erp game?
FF14 is literally just a fashion game with MMO stuff to do.
the trannies and zoomers did, classic wow is basically a gen y/dad gamer thing mixed with thirdy undesirables
No, the former are in retail
WoW classic is normalfag zoomers dude.
Where's WoW's mom
all millennials
I’ve been playing FFXIV since 8 years ago after I’ve stopped playing WoW but now FFXIV is getting kinda crappy so I’m going back to WoW until it gets better.
Ironically, SoD reminds me of Bozja and being able to play shit like dps DRK or tank MNK, which I thought was fun as fuck.
WoW got it's next life support injection in the form of streamers playing hardcore servers the last couple weeks and they're all addicted to it
dead franchise at this point
rereleasing classic once more won't save them
they can't even come up with original ideas, they have to steal them from pservers lmao
>Shamans are going to be FUCKING GOOD NOW
Thats how I know you're a shill
Shamans have been shit for 20 years
They will stay shit for another 20
Gonna love being shaman tank, although molten blast should be AP+SP scaling like exorcism and some of the other pally spells. 100% more threat on top of already being threat gods, 30% more HP, 150% more shield armor, nice snap aoe threat with fire totems plus molten blast
Shaman tank will be good, ele's going to be nice, enhance is gonna be worse than TBC without the bloodlust if they don't pivot back to 2H. Basically a wet noodle with a spell worse than shiv
enhance actually might be playable with the runes, 5% hit chance ain't no joke
Sounds fun. Paladins being the mana generators is weird though especially since Shaman didn't get any mana generation for their side.
It's a funserver slopfest, no one cares about balance. It's like an entire server that takes place in a Darkmoon Faire game
What is this, new AscensionWoW server?
its ascension + $14.99 tip
I have no idea what to roll, I've always played Rogue for Vanilla due to the fun griefing and relatively good QoL (no totems, 5 min buffing, shard inventory) but now I don't know. Paladin sounds like it might be fun but I get the feeling 1/3 of the server is going to be Paladins. What are they doing for Locks and Hunters dps wise?
Warlocks are getting some insanely good synergy from their runes, aoe shadowbolt volley up to 5 targets, permanent corruption that gets refreshed on basically any spell that hits the afflicted target, 10% crit on melee/spells for you an minion, 20 second cooldown burst buff that gives you 30% dodge and CRIT on all attacks to you and minion for 6 seconds.
The only problem warlocks have now is going to be spell hit probably
>The only problem warlocks have now is going to be spell hit probably
IF you decide not to use chaos bolt which you totally could just do until you get the hit% you want
chaos bolt has a 12 second cd
Quick someone post a screenshot/video of how mage heal spell effects look and laugh.
the current laughing stock is druid still
>druid
>with superior WF totem
>laughing stock
yea they will literally be forced to run a certain rune and stay as bear/cat so the effect can stay active. buffbots and nothing more
They really went all out for mage healing didn't they.
is that sean connery
>we toned down and adjusted visual effects for the new spells to keep them in line with the classic look
Part of me wants to say it'd be nice to have retail visuals and classic gameplay, but the flashier effects would come with butchering a lot of enemy models like gnolls and kobolds.
This isn't toned down though. This is straight up life syphon with a different cost of paint. It looked very jank in the video and out of place with the rest of the mage kit.
Was there not a lot of asset reuse among the original spell effects?
Healing is very out of place for the class, so I'm not surprised it looks so.
All the flashy abilities, but items will still be garbage with +20 spirit. Current retail itemization is awful, yes, but at least try rebalancing to something similar to TBC/WOTLK first.
new datamined gear so far looks sick
>some rando craftable lvl25 item better than most T1 gear
lol
lmao
what the fuck is this funserver slop
Fun. I know it might be hard to understand what that means after playing the same shit for 20 years.
Instagibbing isn't fun. Being hilariously overpowered is equally as boring as being hilariously underpowered
don't worry they datamined the very unfun game slowing resilience gear for pvp
>resilience gear
Sauce?
>https://www.wowhead.com/classic/news/new-warsong-gulch-specific-items-datamined-season-of-discovery-ptr-336058
it might be just limited to actual bgs so world pvp will still be fun instagibbing
that gear has much less stats than BWL loot and they are buffing loot across the board.
>Equip: Reduces all damage taken and chance to be critically hit by 5% in Warsong Gulch.
Oh thank god
>that gear has much less stats than BWL loot
Are you one of the retards designing this? Those boots don't get replaced until bwl. Honestly, the trinket part might even make it better than bloodvine.
you have no idea what they gonna do with other gear so why screech like a retard?
Are they gonna double the stats on everything? Why jump through all of these hoops just to give people op give at level 25? Wtf is the point?
Just why
5% less damage taken and crits taken in WSG only, helm is named "xxx of resilience"
The mats will probably drop from the last boss in BFD so people have reason to run it even at higher levels.
>spell power an extra 7
DUDE THE MASSIVE DAMAGE
On boots? At 25? Yes.
In normal classic, all dps classes would use those boots forever just for the on-use effect.
In SoD they'll print more and more broken shit so that thing's obsolete by level 40 though.
of course nublizzard give the autist full description of the buff with too many adjectives, the gods of old would just be like "Use: Be ghost-like... (30 Min Cooldown)" And make you work it out yourself.
>"Use: Be ghost-like... (30 Min Cooldown)"
Wronk. It would be:
>"Use: Ghastly form. (30m cd)"
>"Use: Ghastly form. (30m cd)"
wrong.
>"Use: Goatse. (30 μ)"
Retailslop
retardslop
>epic item with 3 effects
>sell price of 9 silver
A fucking panther whisker is worth more than your interdimensional finely crafted spidersilk boots
>reduce threat
>filename
no
>blizzard finally announces something new with no PTR so it doesn't get datamined
>still gets datamined
What the fuck are they doing
I think the "discovery" is more trying to figure out how to obtain the runes rather than finding what their effects are.
>sigh...the gear will be dogshit like always
>WTF THEY CAN'T ADD IN ACTUAL GOOD GEAR!!!!! THE GEAR IS SUPPOSED TO BE DOG SHIT ACTUALLY REEEEEEE
The addition of abilities on their own is already crazy, but they want to add the most overpowered gear known to man on top of it?
I mean the server is basically a thermometer test for classic+ they are seeing what will be hot with players and what will be cold and shit.
>what will be hot with players and what will be cold and shit.
The player base will be fine with fucking anything as long as it's new. People are unironically hype for having retail tier toolkits
>gear you get at level 25 makes everything else obsolete until bwl
>this is completely normal
>nooooo you dont understand!!! crafted gear needs to basically be entirely dog shit till level 60!!! we shouldn't ever get anything good in a server where everyone is getting good things nooooo
incredible how 95% of crafted gear was completely worthless for the mats
>yeah just lemme go buy 10g worth of mats for this sweet 26 lvl sword of the tiger
It's another remnant of their bipolar ass game design, where they only copy basically random elements of EQ without understanding or caring why they were like that in the first place. Back then EQ didn't have quests where you show up, kill 10 guys solo in 3 minutes and then get a +5 sword of slashing handed to you. WoW does. Which is fine, except they never went back and rebalanced the craptastic crafted items to account for you spending 50-ish levels literally tripping over quest greens.
theyd either have to bump most crafted gear to rare budget stats or cut mats in half. i always hated how pointless the gear crafting professions were outside of few epic patterns
They should do both. Gathering nodes and cloth dropping NPCs are contested, dungeons and raids aren't. Anyone who disagrees is a shitter who thinks holding W down the instanced theme park SM loot hallway makes him better somehow.
>still missing the point on purpose
are you one of the troon devs too braindamaged to understand progressive balancing?
>missing the entire point of a seasonal fun server
it's 4fun, very tough concept to understand I get it. you will still have dead era servers and gdkps with completely blown out roastie economies you will be okay!
>paying blizz
lol
lmao
i'm, fine playing on small sub 500pop pservers that aren't targeted by chinks for goldfarming and gdkp selling but i wish you fun playing with your fellow sisters on season of homosexualry
there will be a new raid tier at 40/50/60 as well, the old raids aren't really relevant to season of discovery
>"hey, classic has tons of useless gear during leveling which are just statsticks with +1 stam better over each other, can we get a bit variety, maybe something like better stat allocation and stuff like a handfull of weapon skill for melees and a few points of combat mp5 for casters?"
>"OH YES SIS WE HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR HERE HAVE A SHIELDWALL ON A 5 MIN CD AND A 10% SPELL DMG TRINKET THATS BETTER THAN NAXX STUFF ON LVL 25 GEAR!!!"
As long as it's expensive crafting gear where you also are limited to 1 slot with special effect, it should be fine. Still, I hope they will rebalance regular items too, adding more useful stats to some rares/epics with tons of mostly useless spirit, or enabling suffixes like Invoker/Elder/Soldier on greens. Some of those greens were always pretty good filler.
Oh shit warriors are going to be insane again if this is the kind of gear you can get early.
Brownchads stay winning
>useless +3 spirit on melee dps gloves
WTF i love sod now
Old habits definitely die hard.
Why does itemisation matter if everyone has the same shit items? What's wrong with a bit of spirit? You'll probably find it marginally useful when levelling after 25
spirit while leveling definitely aint useless
>not stacking spirit on a Troll for maximum regen gains
NGMI
the real important question is, does that bonus armor get properly multiplied by bear form? because if that's going to start being a thing again Bears are going to be king if they can kit out a full set of bonus armor gear.
It does but bears were already armor capped if they didn't care about pumping maximum threat.
Warlocks will be armor capped too since they get a 6x multiplier.
>He doesn't play Turtle WoW
>when your girl's ugly friend starts trying to sabotage your shit
I'm having fun.
Meeting other people who aren't screaming liberals in the game is always a treat
don't care
still maining balance druid
and nobody cares
Paladins will stomp shitters indeed but Mages will be astronomically busted @ skill-cap.
Looks like druids got some more shit
>efflorescence....
god fucking dammit NOOOOOO people already think this shit looks like poison on the floor and no one stand in it. REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>druid's only aoe will still be locked to level 40
it's over...they should've made sunfire aoe or given starfall asap
druidcels btfo only class to not get any aoe as a rune lel
warlocks and priests get aoe options and druids got none rofl fuck druids
is this for lvl 25 or lvl 60?
level 25, some classes got busted as fuck runes
mindsear is going to let shadowpriest do some fantastic aoe, 170-200dmg in 5 seconds is really good and probably way less mana than a mage sperging out with arcane explosion
Arcane explosion is for healing now
I think I'm going to have a stroke.
>refresh
Is SoD Dots run on snapshot or instant update?
fucking dodge?
im begging you blizzard, please consult ANY feral on how classic bear stays alive
maybe its more for cat form pvp
crit removal is nice, but remember warrior (still assumed baseline absent very compelling info) got a crazy mitigation ability too in the form of devastate
20% dr vs the armor/block value being able to sit in shield whenever you want?
I'm guessing they'll have a bunch of meme gear in the new raids as well
When are Warlocks and Paladins not the most broken classes?
Anyone taking bets on what the next normal dungeon turned raid will be? I say Mara or ZF.
after gnomer and sm, probably mara, then BRD
BRD will definitely be one, seeing as it's already fucking massive enough to be one on its own.
It'd be nice if they made something completely new in a zone that doesn't have its own dungeon yet, like Felwood. Though we all know Blizzard is probably too lazy to do that.
Hyjal would be cool
Northern Kalimdor in general is lacking in dungeons, give Azhara or Winterspring one too
Furbolg Hold has been sitting there with a sealed door, both inside and outside, since 2004 just asking for a dungeon.
>giant gate in Azshara: 10 player raid
>sealed door in Timbermaw Hold: 5 player dungeon
Could start with Furbolg trash/bosses and progress into Legion mobs since they corrupted them
Furbolg gate in Azshara should contain a massive underground zone, about the size of Hyjal, that has another entrance in Timbermaw Hold
if they don't make SM a raid I will be legitimately shocked
SM was already on the upcoming raid tease list, along with gnomeregan and Karazhan basement.
wt is this? Classic was sellind subscription for 20 year old game. But what is this? They made changes in classic? Then it not classic anymore?
It's fresh servers with changes.
>It's fresh servers
lmoa
Durotar
orc jump arms falling x300
die in warlock cave solo x5
Barrens chat gucci x50
... someone say funni in thousand needles...
... tanaris turtle haha..ha..
desolace. unsub.
why go to desolace
it's poetry you fucking dumbarse, it's a metaphor. What you want me to end it with "UN'GORO CRAYTOR" fucking retard
>Runes
All of a sudden everyone is a goddamned Death Knight now.
>Season of Datamine.
Lmao
Datamine of Head:
Season of Read Guide
>but no beta testing or PTR because we want everything to be a secret for you to discover through playing!
>Shamans
>shamans are le bad
wow really is game played by pve raid cucks
>blizzshill thread
what zone would you guys live in for maximum comfy?
hard mode: no nagrand
Any version of WoW? Howling Fjord or Grizzly Hills. Classic only? Probably Mulgore.
southshore
ele shamans got burstier than ever before now
reheatedslop
>ZG geared shamans can already do up to 8k dmg with a 1gcd LB+CHL in pvp
>"haha lol let's give em a chance to do up to 16k dmg!"
It's okay, mobs have been given a 5% health and damage boost to compensate.
>NOOO YOU CANT ADD NEW CONTENT TO A 20 YEAR OLD GAME
Too bad fuckaroos Vanilla is BACK
Until they edit the world geometry and add to it (ala Turtle Wow) the only content their adding is text onto excel and lua files.
>NOOOOOO YOU CANT HAVE FUN STOP ITTTT
Ahahahahhahahaha
Who are you quoting?
How much are you getting paid to post?
>content
lol
they're fucking up the class design and changing numbers around, not adding new content
Can they revamp the fucking Honor system then? I want to be able to raid towns without some dipshit giving the whole raid DKs.
I can't wait to have mage healers rolling on all of the caster dps gear with spell hit
are exp gains increased?
imagine you being a retard and still addicted to this shit, kill all mmo troons
>brownies are hypermad about buffed hybrids and extra proper tanks
lol
lmao even
Brownies got more passive damage runes than anyone else though. They'll just spam same old abilities at the top of the meters.
Yeah and they're still upset others are also getting a buff. They have to be the main characters of vanilla and won't allow anyone else to be good.
>THEY DIDN'T DO EXACTLY WHAT I WANTED WAHHHH WAHHHH WAHHHH
Shut the fuck up homosexual ass Indian shiteater
THEY SHOULD'VE MADE A BRAND NEW WORLD AND LIKE DID ALTERNATE REALITY WOW WITH THE REAL DRAGON ISLES AND BETA DARK PORTAL AND UHHHH THAT BIG TREE WITH THE DEAD DEMON ON IT
They didn't even do anything remotely close to what I wanted either
>level cap
>3 day lockout so now we gotta do an easy and dogshit raid faster than ever before otherwise be behind
>retail abilities that destroys classic class design
>professions still shit
>no other content than just more stupid raids or stupid world PvP
>goldswapping not banned
>GDKP's not banned
>RMT tos not enforced
And they dare say this is the step towards classic +? If it is I don't want it
> If it is I don't want it
Good, fuck off
I will along with most other people anon. Enjoy the dead realms where you're only play with chinese GDKP farmers
>I will along with most other people anon.
Nope. Fuck off already.
He's right. You've got streamer cultists and nothing else.
>He's right, that other anon that 100% isn't me. Him. That other dude.
The response has been overwhelmingly positive, and most people that aren't functionally retarded understand that isn't meant to be a permanent server in any capacity. They're just testing things out. So the screams about it having a level cap of 25 make zero sense
To make matters worse NONE of this is going to be remotely balanced and players will quickly find the most broken shit and no one is going to have fun just like in classic vanilla where chunks of people quit from PvP worlds due to how world PvP was before bg's.
can't wait to be one of the people making everyone quit in ashenvale with my bro squad
Everyone in the game will be gathered in ashenvale, Your bro squad will be lost in the crowd.
>To make matters worse NONE of this is going to be remotely balanced
Unlike Vanilla, renowned for its balance LMAO
>Unlike Vanilla, renowned for its balance LMAO
Why do you think rebalancing is a common requested feature of classic+?
>NONE of this is going to be remotely balanced and players will quickly find the most broken shit
The most broken shit at 25 will be hunters, warlocks, and to a less extent mages. Don't need the game to drop yet to know this.
>just like in classic vanilla where chunks of people quit
Ah yes. We all remember the history of Classic where Nost was so unsuccessful it forced Blizz to not shut it down which led to them not launching Classic which was so popular it overtook retail.
Why do you fags even come into these threads. There is very clearly a huge market for vanilla, people enjoy the world, leveling, world PvP and everything else it brings. Why spend literally years of your life shitposting in these threads about muh minmax, muh balance, muh raids.
>There is very clearly a huge market for vanilla
Which SODomy is not, correct
>There is very clearly a huge market for vanilla
How the fuck is SoD vanilla? Because it's capped at 25? SoD destroys everything that makes classic classic
>Vanilla is just abilities
Sweet summer child
Vanilla sure as fuck isnt op borrowed power shit on gear at level 25, in a seasonal server whatever the fuck that even means. Fuck you and fuck blizzard
I always love the amount of uninformed shitposting WoW brings. There is no borrowed power, nor is it a seasonal server. Imagine getting upset at something you don't even understand.
Runes are applied to gear, no? Its borrowed power.
They're passive buffs you can infinitely apply to slots but they don't physically apply to gear. They're also account bound and permanent.
You don't even know what borrowed power is do you?
So what happens to the runes after SoD ends?
SoD doesn't "end" the same way Vanilla servers don't "end". Its just vanilla with content they add to it over time.
SoD will end. The servers will be shut down. They'll moce the characters to classic era and your runes and unique gear will be deleted.
Why the fuck are they applied to gear slots if they arent bound to gear? Why not just make them normal fucking spells from your trainer or a quest? Blizz is retarded as usual. It may not be borrowed power if thats how it works but its still really, really gay so whats the difference
You're getting mad at literal semantics. The name is irrelevant.
You unlock runes doing quests and they're account bound passives that change a class. The point is that it adds new quests/exploration to the map which dramatically change your class but you only have a few slots to use and certain runes go in certain slots to keep it balancing.
Call them ascended spells/skills with a new ui, for the whole limited slots thing. Makes more sense then applying them to gear. Blizzard is retarded
>nor is it a seasonal server
>"There will 100% be a place where characters can migrate once the season ends. Maybe we have to take some Runes away, but maybe some Runes are so beloved that we can incorporate it into the realm they go to, we aren't really sure yet and we are listening to the community on feedback."
TLDR Blizz has no fucking clue what they're going to do.
This how they handled artifact weapons and all the other borrowed power systems lol
>TLDR Blizz has no fucking clue what they're going to do.
It was pretty obvious when they dared to call SoD classic+. We still haven't heard any additional people being sent to the classic team so it's the same skeleton crew
Look at the past. The effects were disabled/deleted. You'll be moved to classic era and lose all the new abilities.
>Make a classic +? Okey here seasonal server. You get to migrate when its over now please suck our cocks, drones.
WHY NOT MAKE IT A REAL FUCKING MMO YOU israeliteLORDS?
>nor is it a seasonal server.
Its literally called a seasonal server by Blizzard.
>call out level cap
>you instead strawman that I said abilities
?????
That said, vanilla is toolkits which SoD completely destroys
>vanilla is toolkits
Sweet, sweet summer child
>We're calling this the season of discovery, in hopes to bring back that feeling of adventure into the classic community, you won't be testing any of the content on the PTR and will have to figure it out when the servers go live!
>Millennials and boomers praise this idea, knowing they'll finally get the feeling they've been chasing for 20 years again.
>PTR goes up.
>Same people are already minmaxing and figuring out all the secrets and changes do to datamining before it's even out.
Well classickeks, can't wait to see your new "hard content" be finished in under an hour like every other raid.
Who the hell is calling this content "hard"? Also link LK25H log
the problem with wow has always been and will always be its playerbase
No, it's Blizzard's fault.
>noooo we need people on the PTR to do QA work for us!! its the players fault if they see spoilers on the PTR!!!
They're going to have to shadow drop the next level bracket patch if they want to keep anything remotely fresh.
>our like every other raid.
Nonsense, it'll take at least 6 hours to get to level 25, and another 25 minutes to do BFD
there's a ptr? i thought it was no ptr
Apparently WoW release pipeline automatically has a PTR. They hid it in the battle.net frontend but somebody downloaded the files by guessing the correct URLs.
oh. lame.
i mean i suppose i could just do it blind as i don't really visit any wow specific places. does kinda take the wind out of my sails. maybe i'll put the sub money i was gonna spend towards star ocean 2 remake or something
They did a server stability PTR, problem was the PTR was on the SoD build even though you couldn't access any of the content, allowing people just to datamine it.
paladins are getting a deathknight rune set for sure
Druids are going to be the strongest tanks though
Are you saying they're fur biased?
What are the odds that, assuming SoD eventually makes it to 60 with MC, BWL, etc, that they redo the set bonuses on T1/T2 so that like, it’s actually something you want to wear instead of just RPing for in Stormwind?
probably pretty high
Was it the set bonuses that were bad, or was it the stats on them were awful enough that they weren’t worth using? I honestly can’t remember.
druid t1 was literally dog shit bonuses, the gear was basically only good for the raw stats
Drag this on forever without having to do actually make anything? Pretty high
there are gonna be so many fucking paladins now that paladins arent stuck being shit in vanilla
Paladins were never really shit, it’s just they were boring as hell to play because your job was to keep everyone buffed with BoK
Rets are still relatively shit because everyone else got stuff too.
Holy paladins are broken as hell but then you'd have to wear the teal dress.
Rets also getting Divine Storm and a Seal that does a bit of AoE and also acts as a mana battery is probably enough to put them over the edge tbh.
What are the new roles each class gets?
I stopped to play with the original WotlK, and I basically ignored the game until now, but I'm tempted to reroll a mage in SoD
Wasn't the point of Classic WoW to have a WoW server that is suspended at a certain point? Blemishes and all?
Yes.
Turns out the only real blemish was the playerbase.
>shaman has dual wield
does that mean they can equip two spellpower onehands and burst people for 10 million damage?
How long will it take for players to identify the most broken, overpowered build for every class? Everything will get narrowed down to like one or two viable builds per class and suck all of the fun out the game.
It's already been identified. SoD is season of paladins, if you roll anything else you lose.
It's just going to be Paladins and Warlocks running around in permanent demonagger form.
>adding gay retail shit to classic
>"people" are excited for this
whenever i think the playerbase can't get worse, i'm proved wrong
Melee ranger bvll here, pass on that weapon.
>gets globaled by melees in melee
>gets fucked at range by casters
lol
lmao
>raptor strike turning into a 3 sec cd mortal strike damage wise
wew. Now they need to give us decent agi>melee ap conversion
So I thought 19 years after release is a good time to try out this game just to see what it's like. I played an Orc Warlock in WotLK classic a dwarf rogue in hardcore and because I liked my stabby dwarf so much, also a dwarf rogue in retail. I only played a bit on either of them and I had the most fun in Hardcore mainly over the thrill of the permadeath mechanic. I died while trying to sneak into Gnomeregan, because I wanted to see what's there not knowing this is dungeon, got torn apart by leper gnomes inside. I have to say everything in the two classic version feels more earned. The retail version throws skills, bags, gear and money at you. I just entered Stormwind in retail and I already have several gold a ton of bags and a mount, also let's not get started about the story in retail I already don't like it, first I get followed or have to follow strong female black NPC that don't need no man to be happy and here entourage for the whole tutorial, while the game explains every single thing to me. Then she fucks finally off , cool maybe I can explore Stormwind on my own now, no, I have to be guided around by the reddit-tier science gnome, fuck this and fuck gnomes, disgusting little creatures. I much prefer the approach in the classic version, where they gave me quests to kill 8 wolves or 5 Frostmane Trolls and I could figure the rest out myself, I was also constantly broke instead of being showered in currency, which I think is more realistic. tl;dr I now get why people like the older version over the new one. Thanks for reading my blog.
>"classic" except it's not classic at all
Fuck blizzard
It's more a sign than a descriptor. "Classic players come in here now!!"
I'm not autistic enough to want to play fresh classic servers over and over and over forever
I'll take a meme funsurver to shake things up a little
Blizzard has been grooming the Classic playerbase to try retail since TBC classic.
"Season of Dicovery" is about discovering how many classic players they can trick into preordering Snore of the Ancients.
the opposite is more likely. the classic team wats to bait retail players to try classic
>https://www.wowhead.com/classic/news/wow-classic-post-blizzcon-developer-q-a-cataclysm-and-season-of-discovery-336067
>Blizzard said they maybe will create new Legendary items for Season of Discovery. Blizzard is excited to explore new areas and some quest chains that never were completed in original Vanilla.
>yfw they finally make a quest line to purify the ashbringer
>Legendary items
OIAL
???
full words please
>it still involves several hours of fishing and grinding Alterac, like the hidden Ashbringer skin quest from Legion
grinding alterac? I got the hidden appearance in legion and don't recall that
you had to get half of the Nat Paegle's Extreme Anglin' book from a drop off of a player corpse, maybe I was unlucky but it took me hours and hours to get it
The DPS classes will get all the cool shit because they don't have bunch of useless tank/healer runes sitting around doing nothing.
I mean warlock and rogue does have a couple of tank runes and mage has some healing but they all just enhance their pvp capabilities.
this, and even though they get all the cool shit, they still complain anytime a hybrid gets something nice because pure dps class players are massive homosexuals.
I hope hunters get camouflage, stealth aimshots shouldn't be an alliance only thing.
Sorry, do none of you "Classic+" anons find it embarrassing that Blizz is just reusing spells that came out in future expansions? It's kind of embarrassing that they cant even create new spells in a Classic+ scenario
It's quite disappointing but try it yourself, try to come up with a few new spells for your favorite class that hasn't been done in any future expansion and make it fit into classic. Bonus points if it's something that that remains unique to that class and not just copied functionality from another class. It's quite difficult.
>try to come up with a few new spells for your favorite class that hasn't been done in any future expansion
That's pretty easy since all spells in future expacs are just shit from wotlk and tbc reworked over and over again.
I don't see any new spells
I'm not going to design your game for you without being paid, marketer kun
You got nothing.
Just like Blizzard then? lol
Yes, you're no better than Blizzard.
But I am
Prove it
Pay me
Your greed is on the same level as Blizzard as well.
Sorry, I'm not designing your game for free
Because you got nothing.
In terms of payment that is
I need to know what I'm paying for here, how can trust that you'll deliver if you don't show anything?
Which is why I'm never going to tell you here
Give me one spell and I'll put you on a payroll if I like it.
Nope
Shut the fuck up you stupid autistic retards.
Cammaan, we're doin business here.
How about half a spell?
I don't for the boys, not the toys.
Do*
>we want classic plus
>here's classic plus
>wtf why are you changing stuff!?
The fuck is actually wrong with some of you homosexuals?
Who are you quoting?
>>here's classic plus
Hahahaha
Hello blizzard
No I'm not buying your low effort garbage. Your Devs aren't even capable of making a game with 60 levels anymore.
>We want a version of the game that's classic but with new things to do
>Ok, here's the exact same classic except you get retail abilities and some new filler bosses in BFD
+ is content
not retail abilities
that's not even classic
+, -, or othwerwise
Basically what
says at this point they are just pulling random shit without any real idea that cant be described with basedjak (dude what if mage could HEAL???) without any remorse towards already barely existing balance
>All those buffs supposedly to make other specs "viable". Most of time those runes dont accomplish intended goal but make broken PvP specs even more broken (hello Warlocks)
>PvE DPS War gets extra like 50% of damage increases worth from 3 runes without almost permanent uptime
>Its most massive DPS buff of all classes outside of ret
>To a fucking DW Fury war
Also all those retarded attempts to give everyone unique buffs from shaman/paladin for some reason. Just make undead paladins/dwarf shamans at this point and call it a day.
>>we want classic plus
I never said this THOUGH
this funserver season pvp is going to be completely fucked
lmao can't wait to see rogues kill hunters 1v1 from max range
come home white man
>you'll progress nothing and be happy
>implying wow has progress
kys homosexual
>posts game that is somehow more pozzed than wow
nice try, anon-kun
I heard patches made it slightly less bad
you heard wrong
This is the laziest shit, they can't even do as much as a private server
Guys I'm looking at these changes and I see no reason not to roll a warrior. Warriors are already like 50% more dps than the next highest class and the changes give them what appears to be a 25-40% dps boost. Is there any reason to play any other class? Right now it looks like most raids will be like 20 warriors, some priests and holy paladins, a few feral druids for WF, and maybe like 4-8 rdps.
depends if warlock lake of fire is a debuff that only requires one tick of rain of fire
Damage increases are multiplicative, so you actually get 1.1 * 1.25 * 1.25 * some more from windfury on alliance.
However, they will nerf it when some complaint gets enough upvotes on reddit.
>playing classic wow to raid
kill you're self
What else is there to play for? You raid to get gear. You get gear to pub stomp bgs.
getting raid gear for pvping with is not the same as caring about a raid damage meter and choosing your class based on that
How do you get raid gear if you can't join a raid because you're not meta?
by being in a guild?
and telling them to fuck off when they whine about my spec and daring them to replace me (they won't because recruiting is the worst)
They won't even recruit you. Guilds are going to just follow the meta builds anon.
>caring about raiding in a vanilla leveling server
Lol, lmao
Again, what else is there to do in the game?
I could explain what 99.9% of players enjoy in WoW but you wouldn't get it.
99.9% of players don't quit at 60 my little lad
>Raidfag starts getting upset at what happens next
10% of players raid, and the other 90% proceed (after months getting to 60), to reroll.
I'll say it once because no matter how much evidence is shown you'll deny it: WoW is a game about leveling with randoms/friends. Always has been, always will be.
99.9% of players play classic to get gear and faceroll people in pvp with it.
average guilds are a lot more desperate than you give them credit for. they can talk big talk but they all bend the knee when they are trying to fill a raid
If all you care about is raiding sure.
Going Paladin + Arcane mage with a mate, gonna be a blast leveling.
How much will gold cost to purchase from bots? I think I'll just p2w instead of farming this time around. Blizzard nerfed all the reasonably good farming spots anyways.
wait, i cant do comfy dm east farm again?
fuck
I don't give a fuck - it's not going to be classic. I quit during AQ40 for a reason
I wonder if there will be a rune to convert mage's evocation into an instant mana recovery based off of one's spirit. I just feel that channeling evocation as it is now is incredibly risky as a healer, especially as one that requires you to be constantly damaging enemies for your "HoT"s to function
the hots already heal for a fuck load with good mana value, 105 mana for 485HP heal in 3 seconds. That's a large chunk of anyone's heal bar really at lvl 25.
>105 mana for 485HP heal in 3 seconds
Thats fucking absurd
Arcane isn't a healing spec, and has barely any other heals. So they have a very small list of viable healing spells and outside that have to rely on their damage. What heals they have may be strong but that doesn't mean they're going to be good.
Doesn't matter if they're a dedicated healer or not, giving mages access to a big meaty quick heal fundamentally changes things.
Like classic duels are hardly the most balanced affairs but people have had fun with them for decades. Big part of the mage matchup is them not being able to pull a swiftmend out of their anus on tap
Being reductionist and looking at anything in a vacuum makes it seem significant.
>how to say nothing and try to look smart
You're ignoring all the other added spells and runes other classes. There isn't going to be any logical way to get you to see reason. You'll simply be reminded of this conversation when it launches and you realise no, it isn't broken.
>You're ignoring all the other added spells and runes other classes.
Other classes getting an expanded toolkit doesn't make Mage getting a heal any less of a fundamental shift, shit for brains. You either can recover significant amounts of health outside bandaging or you can't.
Back to reductionist arguments, as I said no amount of logic will convince you otherwise you're being jaded.
>I'm saying nothing again! Look at me!
Exactly, you're saying nothing in a vacuum pretending like one heal on a mage is going to change anything. It wont, but for PvE when people are explicitly playing as healers.
But you keep getting butthurt over nothing.
>pretending like one heal on a mage is going to change anything
It will change the fact that you can't just rot down a mage with damage, relying on the fact they have no heal. Fundamentally changing the matchup.
I know you have NOTHING to argue against this except vagueposting about it being in a vaccuum, like I need to know every rogue rune before I can make a simple logical assertion, but if you could stop speaking forever that'd be great. Nobody needs to hear shitter takes
Didn't read, See
I accept your concession
>I accept your concession
You're the same autistic retard that posts in every one of these threads aren't you? Don't you have anything better to do?
>but if you could stop speaking forever that'd be great. Nobody needs to hear shitter takes
Please take your own advice and do the world a favor we can smell your undead rogue sweat from here.
As I said, zero arguments
Argument implies you had a logical base to begin with as far as I can tell from the endless shitposting you've been doing you're upset mages get a heal purely as arcane, the worst mage spec of all time. Stop sweating your rogue pants, you can still one shot gank them as always. I mean better rogues at least, you clearly struggle as is.
>Argument implies you had a logical base to begin
I did, and I set it out. You have nothing, as expected.
>uh no it doesn't matter because arcane is bad
Now who's making judgements in a vacuum? Could be a great spec in SoD, you have no fucking idea. But you CAN logically assert that having a heal makes a large difference over not having one.
Its been fun cuck, don't respond to me again. Last (you)
>Getting this upset over 1 ability because you're scared mages will kill you in PvP
>Thinking you're being "logical"
Thats legitimately just sad.
Thank god, finally took your own advice no one needs your undead rogue sweat-takes.
I mean the Regeneration spell has the best mana value heals bar none, basically no other heal is even close besides the new priest Penance heal which heals for like 350 ish in a 2 second channel.
they'll tune it bro dont worry
keep in mind this is another "hot" heal that costs 105 mana...and Rejuvination on druids same 105 mana cost heals for 185 in 12 seconds. Mage's got a giga busted heal honestly.
Druids are getting lifebloom though, so who really cares about rejuv
lifebloom heals for this much base mana cost is 28% / cut to 14% after it blooms and refunds mana. Still way less than mages.
>pre-hot self
>can't change form because oom
Who designed this bullshit?
mages also got an actual godlike "swiftmend" that can basically be as powerful as a lay on hands rofl.
Considering how long the cooldown is, isn't it better to take arcane blast as an instant "heal"?
So is this early 2010 WoW but with a vanilla skin?
Not a bad idea but it is a shame current Blizzard is made of retards. They are going to fuck up somewhere.
Yeah, that's inevitable unfortunately. But I'm still looking forward to the initial world pvp before it dies.
Personally I'm gonna make a guild specifically to put meta shit in the bin
This is a fun server and I refuse to let metacucks ruin it for me.
HAHAHAAHHAHAAHAHA WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT MANA COST
BASICALLY OOM YOURSELF TO SET UP SOME WEAK ASS HEALS AND WAIT TO GET YOUR MANA BACK TO DO IT AGAIN ROFL
>base mana cost
>regain half cost of spell
Ganker attempts basic reading comprehension: impossible edition
oom yourself, wait 7 seconds not being able to do almost anything while your mana is held hostage? Good design!
Do you not know what base mana is?
do you see that 42+91 over 7 seconds is still significantly less than 485 in 3 seconds?
yeah base mana is the value that rapes your mana pool vs flat mana costs
base mana = naked mana = doesn't matter
28%basemana is like 130 mana at level 25 dude calm down
that's still fucking horrendous and not an efficient heal at all. oops set up two lifeblooms, basically spent the same amount of mana shifting into bear form but don't worry I'll get back half! oh shit the tank is dead because the healing is so piss weak a basic world mob will probably out damage it let alone a fucking dungeon mob.
I've always been a lifebloom hater, never used it when it came out
Base mana at 25 is still the majority of your mana, a feral druid won't be able to hot themselves with lifebloom and change form because shapeshifting is ridiculously costly in vanilla.
>Base mana at 25 is still the majority of your mana
>28% base mana
Reading comprehension: IMPOSSIBLE on Ganker
base mana and the refund on expiration sure, but lifebloom is still quite expensive for what it does even with gear and a buncha regen from spirit/mp5
>these threads have that one homosexual who keeps bitching about druid spells in a game that's not even live
>has terrible reading comprehension on top of it
I don't understand autism, but autists should be culled.
Wow wouldn't exist
Isn't base mana what you have if you strip all your gear and buffs?
Yes, they're retarded.
Base mana = purely your base mana stat.
Flat mana = base mana + intellect + enchants + other items + ect
28% of your base mana will be large at level 25 and progressively become less important as you get gear. 28% of flat mana would be insane, and never ever cost effective.
lol
Isn't the mage base healing values on their hots inherently higher because they're meant to be built in damage spellcaster gear so they'll have less +healing? That HoT value isn't going to scale as well as the priest or druid hots for example. I'm pretty sure the majority of their healing is going to come from the temporal beacon recovery
I mean the spells are probably going to be able to be ranked up. At least I hope. That number is huge for that level. A lot of other big casted heals that take 2.5-3 seconds to cast cost more mana and still heal for slightly less and without the added benefit of that time beacon shit regeneration puts on people for 30 seconds.
>we want something new and crazy
>"heres a new optional server with new and crazy gear and abilities to discover like the first time we played the game.
> WOAH WOAH WOAH WOAH BLIZZARD
idk anymore guys
There is a small cohort of retards who will shitpost anything Blizz does, while also playing retail every single day poopsocking raids and mythics they hate.
Launching Classic and now SoD are two of the smartest ideas Blizz has had in a long time. SoD in particular is pretty much perfect. New specs, abilities, items and content all focused on the leveling experience, even a mini-raid to get people into that scene so end game sees more raiding is exactly what vanilla+ needed. There is literally no other concepts you could add which would be better.
Even just doing up to level 25 is smart, meaning they can see what does and does not work and adjust. Had they released everything up to 60 it would have been a total clusterfuck.
>NOT MY VANILLA+
Its Vanilla+, get over it
I accept your admission of defeat
Thank you its gracious of you. I will accept my punishment of playing and loving SoD while you get your reward of retail tranny dwarfs.
You minmax those raids, that'll make your parents love you again for sure along with your epic wins on Ganker.
>no legion sunfire
>no starfall
>no incarn
>no tree of life
keep druids far away from logging rope in ashenvale...worried about the little guys.
They got windfury. They are warrior buff bots now. Guaranteed raid spots.
Tree of life will no doubt be introduced as a later rune, probably the final tier
yeah no reason to roll balance druid, warlock is clearly going to be more fun to dps with, oh and tank with 🙂
>hey guys, we have something for you all
>classic wow
>but with retail abilities
vanilla wow but more than 1 spec per class is functional? sign me the fuck up
>vanilla wow but more than 1 spec per class is functional? sign me the fuck up
Other way around. Resto druids are no longer viable so everyone has to be feral.
WERE BACK BOYS! asmonSLOPPAs in the chat! I wanna see that trough overflowing boys
the slop must flow
Give it to me straight guys. What's going to be the meta defining class?
>season of transition
troons lost
>SoD ends
>It was basically a huge beta test for actual classic+
>runes are tweaked, removed and maybe some added
>true classic+ is what you get to migrate to
>>It was basically a huge beta test for actual classic+
No.. shit? Everyone knows this. Why do you think its capped at 25
its only capped at 25 for a month then it goes up to 40, then 50, then 60
>expecting blizzard to do something that makes sense
ISHYGDDT
I mean the entirety of SoD you colossal shitnut
>>It was basically a huge beta test for actual classic+
the redflag is they think wasting time on shit that completely goes count to what people consider classic is a good thing
Giving server transfers to fresh classic+ is a good way to kill it before it even starts.
druidbros..
it might be time to reroll
Are hunters actually bad in vanilla? I was planing on playing classic and roll one.
I figured hunters would be the best for leveling cause the pet can go in and you just auto from afar.
Depends what which metrics are you considering
Just leveling, i wanna see what vanilla was about. Also i'm playing the normal game not that season of discovery.
Hmm, do frost mages get a permanent pet in this patch or should i go warlock?
It's not the best for leveling but it's up there and is as brain dead as the best leveling classes. Mage and Warlock are best for different reasons
>Just leveling, i wanna see what vanilla was about. Also i'm playing the normal game not that season of discovery.
Hunters are fun. Its a good thematic class and having a petto as you adventure around is enjoyable. As is being able to make pets out of animals you like.
Ignore the naysayers, all they're thinking about is raids and WoW raids are dogshit, never worth the effort.
No elemental, you get nothing
Lock is a bit debateable, don't play it for the pet, VW has notorious aggro issues in classic due to how their taunt works, you will rip aggro everytime without fail, even if all you do is dot up
You absolutely CANNOT go wrong going Warlock
theyre the best DPS in Vanilla along mages AND with the tank spec in SoD they're going to be not only even more busted and useful, but also fun.
If you're playing normal Vanilla, Mage is S tier and Warlock is 2nd right after mage. Either you will have a good time.
>theyre the best DPS in Vanilla
Anon, warrior is the best dps in vanilla.
It depends on the season.
>Phase 1
Mages. Warlocks 2nd.
>Phase 2
Mages. Warlocks 2nd.
>Zul gurub
Warlocks. Mages 2nd. Then Warriors. start appearing on the radar.
>AQ
Warlocks > Mages = Warriors
>Naxx
Fire Mages > Warriors > Warlocks
They're all close in DPS numbers in the rankings as top tier. Mages fall as Frost/Arcane spec falls off and Locks pass them. Then warriros get more crit to avoid dead times and appear in the radar. Fire Mage is viable is better with naxx item level/set and does more than the other 2. with warriors 2nd and locks 3rd
Important to note both Mage and Warlock are kings in AoE damage throghout the entire Vanilla experience no matter the phase.
I only played up until AQ40 was released but warriors were always #1 outside of specific fights
Mages are locks are #1 in AoE
leveling to 60 and even until pre-raid bis mages and locks do better than Warriors
Warriors are extremely gear dependant in order to beat the two clothies.Once you have AQ gear and more in ST Warriors will do more damage in a long term fight (AKA raid boss) because they go oom/burst drops and warriors can keep mashing buttons with consistent same damage output.
If the fight is over within 30 seconds though (parsing group, or a good guild), Mages will do more damage than locks and warriors.
In short, Mages do more damage in the burst window and in AoE fights or fights with adds.
Warriors get naxx-levels of stats just by grabbing world buffs, and SoD will have even more wbuffs than classic.
Melees dominated classic since MC, in part because half the enemies are fire immune/resistant in t1 and arcane/frost sucks.
Arcane/Frost topped meters for Phase 1 and 2 respectively.
Warriors get good sooner than what anon stated. But it's true they are gear dependant to perform while mage and lock plow without it hence theyre good for a leveling experience, which is what anon was looking for, not min max dps rankings.
You have absolutely no idea how fucking bad warlocks are early on. They have no spell hit talents. They are trash tier dps and don't start to pick up until BWL.
I seriously wonder if any of you retards play this game at all.
pre-raid bis is enough to be spell hit capped.
>warlocks have no spell hit talents
and this is how I know you don't play the game at a high performance level.
>affliction spells
Lololol yeah, you've never played past deadmines.
>can't even distinguish talents from spells
go play SoD, zoomie.
>>can't even distinguish talents from spells
>go play SoD, zoomie
>wojaks
you lost any credibility with this post
The anon in this thread wants a nice leveling experience
Warrior is the worst class for a good leveling experience.
Read the talent retard.
tell me you don't play Vanilla without telling me you don't play Vanilla.
The talent only impacts affliction spells. Warlocks core dps spell is shadowbolt, a destruction spell.
What is this retardation? You don't play classic.
look at the parsing records for 2021 season of mastery for S1 and S2.
Locks and Mages blow warrs out of the water.
SoM? The season without world buffs? SoD will be having world buffs and warriors and rogues will be obliterating
okay sure. if you wanna count world buffs Warriors will do more.
now do the entire playerbase and not just 90th percentile.
Sure. Physical damage shits on casters no matter the player level. Rogues take the lead under 25th percentile, but not casters are still worse.
cute.
HOWEVER
now do 99th percentile only.
See those dots on the right side of the box plots? They're the 99th percentile.
now do Naxx 99th percentile.
do naxx. go on. cherry picking bitch.
See for yourself https://vanilla.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/2006#dataset=99&aggregate=amount
If you were expecting highroll ignite mages to be at the top, I'm sorry to say that WCL splits the ignite dps to all fire mages.
Look at that 1st (4th) place dps lad. Only 70% of what a warrior outputs.
You know I have always wanted to see just how much of this DPS is world buffs, because Warriors and Rogues benefit so much from them compared to other classes.
>Caring about RAIDS in VANILLA
Retail is by far, the best raiding MMO there is. It has the most raids, the most active raiding, the best balance and raid design. What the fuck even comes close? FFXIV? Destiny 2? Like come on.
Vanilla raids are fucking terrible boring grindfests with dogshit rewards. The catastrophic time investment for 1 person to get something cool is why no one cares and no one does them.
So why the FUCK would anyone care about raids, what happens in raids or what raids mean for the game when fucking 90% of people do not raid AND those who do raid are clearly mentally stagnated troglodytes. "But bro mages do less DPS than warriors in raids!" who the fuck CARES.
They're retailers and SOD is retail
SoD is vanilla with abilities that should have been in from the start. The world is vanilla, the leveling is vanilla (minus it being slower and enemies hitting harder, arguably even better than vanilla), the music, the quests, the progress, the entire fucking feel.
No one gives a FUCK some abilities come from future expansions. Leveling/Dungeons in retail is completely unrecognizable from vanilla.
Yes which is by far the worst part but it also makes sense given these changes are dramatic. As long as we get another 20-30 levels and new runes in a month or two from launch it will be fine. Plenty of time to level multiple characters.
>SoD is vanilla with abilities that should have been in from the start.
hahahahaha
Yeah no arguments I thought as much faglord. You don't even know what vanilla is do you, I bet you've never even gotten to 60 and started in TBC or worse Wrath.
>SoD is vanilla with abilities that should have been in from the start
You'd have a point if SoD had bloodlust.
>cap leveling at 25
>make raids the only new content
>hurrr why do you care about raids
What the fuck is there gonna be? The leveling journey is gonna be cut off early.
>ret that low
i dont think so, jim.
even with a 2 hander build you can get up to 600 dps with ret, and you can do 800-1000 with the ironfoe spelldamage build
I trust you have parses from p2 som to back that up.
not since i lost my last hard drive, alas
have a screenshot of the one ability from beta that would have made ret equal to warriors and rogues, yet it was stolen by that nagger tigole and that homosexual furor just because they had a grudge against paladins from them thrashing them in everquest
Feeling some real Theloras energy here.
man i fucking HATE that guy
i was the one to discover the ironfoe spelldamage build on nostalrius but that CUNT theloras came by, learned it, then parroted it off as if he was the first one to *ever* find it, and everyone sucked his dick for it. literally stolen valor shenanigans. ree.
have another picture of wow alpha/beta for more abilities that were stolen from paladins by those two dickbag devs
UHMM....!!??!?! WARRIOSISSIES?!??!1
OH NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
AHAHAHAHH
>1k dps difference
>1k
>1
>k
>dps
>difference
LMAO
That's an entire raids' mage dps combined under 1 person due to the way their mechanics work.
It's actually 2 people, but yeah. They had some fire mages casting frostbolt so that the parse doesn't get split further.
as expected. warriorcucks forever seething.
>warriorfags do 1k less dps than mages
>NOOOO B-B-BUT-BUT WE DID MORE DAMAGE IN MOLTEN CORE!!!
>1 warrior does 2.3k
>2+ mages do 3.1k
Warrior is still top dps retard.
mc/bwl are for melee
aq/nax are for casters
>moving the goalpost
NOOOOOO WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE THE BEST DPS THEY TOLD ME WARRIOR WAS BEST!
I mean have we ever seen a graph of rogues and Warriors without worldbuffs? They might even do less DPS than hunters.
warriors and rogues are the fentanyl addict naggers of wow that cannot perform basic functions without their drug.
Imagine if Season of Discovery made Dragonslayer give flat Attack power?
If you're a petfag and for some reason really wanna play with pet management, just go Warlock. Warlock is top tier and better in every way than Hunter for Vanilla
Hunter Pros:
you have no gear competition if you play alliance
Hunter Cons:
the long list you've seen in this thread.
Warlock Pros:
+2nd best DPS in the game right after Mage. Many times you'll be topping meters either way because Locks are basically right there with them
+Endless Mana
+Quality of Life of having a pet
+Self heals, tough to raid damage overall due passive self heals and pet soaking damage for you. Healthstones always available.
+ DoTs / good AoE / good direct damage. you have everything.
+ Every group wants you and many of you as possible
+ Strong Crowd Control with Fear, Pet, Curse of Exhaustion
+Draining souls for resources is SOUL no pun intended
+Good with engineering because of self heals/ Void shield
Cons:
- no "dash" or mobility button
- clothie so direct damage physical attacks from mobs can hit hard. In a raid or group this doesn't matter.
As a person who has played this game since 2006, Warlock is a good choice for your first time playing this game. Hunter on the other hand, is a tedious choice for a first timer. You have no healing, no defensive cooldowns. you go oom you do nothing. not worth it for your first character.
Warlock is not the 2nd best dps, and mage is not the best dps.
There's a reason EVERY SINGLE dungeon group while leveling, and even afterwards at max level, wants caster cleaves. Mage and Warlocks simply do more damage than anyone else and it is a faster and better DPS output than anyone else.
>packs vs ST
You're not very smart are you?
>assuming every single raid boss fight is ST
You're not very bright, are you?
The meme dungeon aoe groups that do it solely to level? Yeah they want mages. A group of all warlocks cannot pull like mages can.
perfectly viable to have 1 lock in caster cleave
Especially in TBC where they do better than mages with Seed of Corruption.
>1 lock
Lol you went from they're the best to, yah you can take one if you have no other option available.
Might be hard for you to comprehend given your brain is rotted from being a warrior main in vanilla, but there's more than one person in this thread.
You're not always going to find x3 mages, let alone x4 with one healer. x2 mages x1 lock is perfectly fine for leveling dungeons. Can't say the same about DPS warriors or any other of the small penis specs.
Specifically dungeon groups want 4x frost mages and somebody who can pull. Eye of Kilrogg worked in some patch so one warlock might have a spot.
In SoD, Hunters get pets that can give BoK, so if you are Horde then Hunters are gonna be needed probably
Hunters don't scale well at all. They're useless in a raid, and once everyone is naxx geared they get smashed by every other class.
>limited bagspace due to quiver
>need food for pet
>need to buy ammo
>need to buy drinks
>worst dps
>ranged weapons are extremely limited
>everyone hates you because hunter weapon meme
Yeah it isnt that great
Im gonna say it; pet, ammo, drinks and bag management is SOUL.
True Vanilla+ would add more of this content.
For leveling in Classic they're very good. For SoD it seems like they will probably become much more viable as they are getting massive damage buffs.
they are probably going to be doing the most damage in P1 PVE and maybe even PVP if they are allowed to be unhindered. They already do the great damage in lower level brackets. Hunter and Paladin were the biggest pumpers in the BFD Raid
nobody likes hunters. they're mid at best, they're loot whores. every single person who mains it is some retarded underage child who wants to play pokemon and wants an easy class with no need for range awareness and mash buttons.
on QoL:
>1 less bag due quiver
> have to feed pet. have to level pet
>need to buy ammo
>need to buy water because no spirit
>DPS is mid at best, generally below average
>GEAR WHOREs that need on leather and mail and the weapons off warriors, rogues and other melee dps.
>everyone will hate them EVEN MORE because of the meme melee hunter spec in SoD.
Hunters and hpallies in Vanilla are the most hated and generally any veteran group will avoid them for dungeons so they dont vacuum loot out of others.
>paladins omg le heckin crusader strikerino
they have 3 buttons and a cast time exorcism. they went from bottom tier to mid.
>Warlocks
yes. they will be the best tank.
>priests are gonna have more spells!
shadow will still be mid. mirror images wont change shit. Priest healers will be cucked by mages unless they balance it, which they probably will.
>Warriors
they will remain S tier with devastate.
>Hunters
forever mid. maybe better, upper mid now. that's it.
>Mages
yes. they will have 1 mage healer every 10man.
>druids
actually. feral will be high tier and prob more dps than rogues. rogues will be delegated to tanks.
at lvl 25 never going oom is actually huge with fury of stormrage. theyre gonna be a very solid healer to at least have 1 in the raid for longevity. wild Growth, rejuv, healing touch is all they need.
>Rogues
theyre gonna be OFF TANKS. theyre gonna be shit at 25 good at 60 with talents.
>shamans
they went from mid to high.
turtle boss in bfd 10 man...palachads won
My dream Vanilla game blocks all addons.
water elemental boss that basically had this paladin knocked on his ass for most of the fight...
The only reason they're good now is because they have 4 buttons while the other classes don't have their toolkit yet at level 25.
At lvl 60 once the others have all their buttons, the other specs will have 4+ buttons just like ret pallies but also have runes and passives that increase their dps, while paladins really don't gain anything else later on.
>paladins went from defensive support class to highest dps
lol fucking retail garbage.
>cherrypicking some beta testing boss fight
>deliberately ignoring factors like item level / gear / boss fight mechanics that might be beneficial to melee over casters / raid composition
cherry picker bias is /b/ tier. Do better.
the water ele boss throws everyone off his platform and ranged can still cast on him easily while melee has to run all the way back and through the jumping puzzle.
the turtle has a shield that stops ALL magical and physical damage while it is active. Palachads just do more damage earlier.
iirc the turtle has high armor so paly holy damage would benefit
fuck I kneel like the warrsissy that I am to the mighty palaGODS. t-take the look and don't hurt me!
Is DM tribute still soloable as a hunter in classic or did blizzard nerf that fun?
the moment I thought about how shit the game actually is no matter how much content you add I lost all hype. Besides the content they added is really fucking gay
I'm getting mixed signals from this thread.
Am I going to regret rolling druid if my intent is to heal?
the new druid heals are insanely expensive and not very efficient, you will probably regret not just play priest or pally who both got good healing additions
>Classics are getting expansions of their own
wasn't the point of Classic servers to undo the horrible expansions?
Now they release shitty expansions on the classic servers?
So that in 10 years we may get WoW Classic: Classic?
Stop this bullshit! Leave us alone!
Imagine still playing WoW almost 2 decades after it's release. Imagine PAYING for WoW almost 2 decades after release.
>hardcore is filled with twitchfags
what the fuck happened?
Might be fun for the first few months or raid, as soon as the lvl cap is increased there will be mandatory gear checks, badlands buffs expected etc because the classic community is unironically the worst there is
>shadowbolt volley into instant nightfall proc volley
Oh baby miss me with that gay demon shit I just want to bolt AV bridge into oblivion
>LF9M BFD COME TO SW BANK FOR GEAR AND ENCHANT CHECK PLZ WAIT WHILE I CHECK LOGS
It's funny because it's true
>100g fee to join
GDKP needs to be a bannable offense
>/who group leader
>25 Paladin
>CASTER DPS ONLY PST
WoW winning bigly
>Everyone gets amazing class changing shit
>Hunter's get.... pet doing 20% more damage and an AoE melee skill
It's amazing how fucking lame everything they added for Hunter's is.
https://www.warcrafttavern.com/wow-classic/guides/season-of-discovery-hunter-runes/
what you talking about
>Passives from WotLK and Retail
>Fun and exciting
Literally nothing changes about the hunter kit besides Carve and Flanking Strike, it's the class with the least active abilities from Runes.
And Flanking Strike doesn't even seem useful because unless Survival gets a way to proc Mongoose bite without dodging it's worthless.
He's right though, half of the Runes for Hunter are passive percentile buffs.
there isn't even anything cool like actual Hunter tanking or direct support for melee hunter like an Aspect that procs mongoose strikes or something.
yeah I guess in terms of new concepts it's not super exciting
They do seem to suffer from "First create" Syndrome because the Survival talents seem meh without a big class shakeup rune to support them like Arcane healing and feral druid viability runes.
Also they seem to be adding extra pet types as runes which seems really fucking shit because I doubt the supposed stags and vipers are going to be amazing enough to justify it. Maybe if they added Tame:Devilsaur and they were basically a mini raid boss.
It's just poor, it's not like they couldn't do some fun shit with Hunter's.
>Aspect of the bear: Reduces the chance for the Hunter to be crit by 6%, increases armor by X% and parry chance by X% as well as increasing threat generated, and replaces Distracting shot with Distracting strike, a melee taunt.
>Assistance: Replaces mend pet, your pet leaps to your aid, sacrificing 25% of it's HP to create a shield equal to that amount on you, your pet also passively gets 20% of the healing you recieve.
>Way of the Mok'Nathal: Mongoose bite has no cooldown and gives you 5% stacking armor and healing taken, stacking up to 5 times, Counterattack gives 3 stacks instantly
That might sound silly, but I wish we’d get healer hunter instead of tank. We already have so many tank classes now. Would be cool if you could tame green/red dragon whelps or druidic creatures and have them heal other players.
Every class will likely get a tank and healer spec.
>healer warlock that siphons health from enemies and redistributes it to their allies
>tank priest that reduce damage through pw:s and inner fire
>rogue bard that heals with songs
>strategist warrior who heals/buffs allies by putting down banners
>spellbreaker mage tanks
So many cool concepts they could do
Which is why i'm looking forward to SoD. Blizzard is shit, WoW is dated, but fucking no devs are doing fantasy coop games. If I want to play a warrior who buffs and heals allies my only bet is going to be WoW/SoD.
And if anyone does make a fantasy coop/MMO, its always fucking hero based now.
You could always copy Ana from Overwatch
>Aspect of the Dove
>Increases all healing you do by 50% and allows mana regeneration while casting and attacking, Also turns your shots and volley into healing shots, which can be targeted at friendly targets to heal equal to the damage they would have done
>Support animal
>Your pet causes all allies around it to take 20% less damage and 10% increases healing And mend pet will now also heal everyone within range of the aura for 100% effectiveness but has a 45 second cooldown
>Field medic
>Any healing shot that critically strikes causes the target to heal for 100% of the damage over 15 seconds and increases your mana regen by 20% for the duration stacking up to 5 times.
Or shit, is Serpent sting and Arcane shot still spell damage in SOD?
>Aspect of the Serpent: Allows mana to regenerate while casting, and gain 1% extra spirit per each missing % of mana you have
>Spellbow: String your bow with Arcane thread, causing your attacks to deal extra arcaned damage per auto, you can also apply oils to your bow
>Shadow Hunter: Your abilities cost 100% more manage, deal 30% more spell damage and you increase your attack speed equal to your missing mana
>Serpent sting and Arcane shot still spell damage in SOD?
Yes
Druid sucks balls still. Based
Feral bear duirds will basically be Aggro Tanks.
Feral druids will basically be mobile windfury totems.
No Wolfshead helm for P1 is gonna suck, but then again, I think the only class that gets good shit at level 25 is like.. Hunter for aimed shot.
unironically better melee dps than rogues
Honestly fuck the PVE discussions, I want to know if Warbringer fucks over rogues as much as it seems to do on paper
Who cares, warlocks will rape anything that isn't stealthed anyways.
Shh don't say that so loudly, the shadow priests are ODing on copium.
I think BM Hunters are Unironically going to rape stuff in PvP.
I want to see Wind Serpent with Kill command spamming Lightning Breath with Cobra strikes. or Broken Tooth.
>I want to see kill command in vanilla
I command you to have a nice day
Read the hunter runes you fucking retard.
>Give your pet the command to kill, increasing it's special attack by 60% decreasing for the next 3 special attacks
Yes and as you said you want this, you should have a nice day
The fuck you even crying about?
impotent brownagger rage, just ignore him
And? Should hunter's not get pet focus stuff in Season of Discovery?
No they should not get rehashed tbc abilities in season of discovery, you shill
Actually that Kill Command version is from WOTLK.
Oh so its not even rehashed, literally just copy pasted
nice
wotlk was so good everyone is playing it
lmao
Literally nothing they could have done could have appeased your anger obsessed brain.
ITT: Retailtrannies evacuate to classic and ruin that as well
QFT