He's asking if you're going to buy the steam deck, not if you are retarded.
A Tablet can't do a fraction of what the deck does. The deck is a complete pc in a small form factor, a tablet is a device that can only be used for social media and watch videos.
and what games are you going to be playing on your shitty underpowered tablet?
Are the specs any better or is it literally just an OLED screen? I've been pretty disappointed by the performance of my deck; I didn't expect it to handle everything I threw at it but I'm still let down often enough. It's used almost exclusively for Pokemon romhacks now, just like my Vita all those years ago.
Either way I don't understand who this is for. Anyone who already has one isn't going to shell out for an oled deck unless they've got too much money to give a shit, and anyone who doesn't already have one isn't going to be convinced by an oled stopgap prior to the inevitable Deck 2 I would imagine.
I didn't buy the last one since I was broke, now I'm not, so I guess it's for people hesitant or buying the first one or just didn't get around to it.
I already have a normal Deck. Not gonna buy a new one seeing as I haven't used the old one as much as I thought, even though it did make time fly fast when I had to travel once this year.
OLED is shit tier for monitors. All the downsides of IPS are negated by simply buying a desk lamp with a dimmer switch. Playing in absolute darkness is retarded.
I'm speaking from experience with the OG deck after returning mine for a cheaper model. If the matte can noticeably impact the contrast of an LCD, then it'll do the same to an Oled. The glare softening effect is also way too minor to be worth the tradeoff, avoid laser etched 'ecks.
I got the matte when it first launched and it makes the screen look like shit. I returned it and got the one without the etched glass. A third party matte screen protector looks better than whatever that shit is. I definitely wouldn't get an etched oled.
>Valve said it will take years
Valve says a lot of shit, I don't trust them anymore. Only reason I'm not buying an OLED is because Next year the next Deck will come out.
There's almost zero chance AMD will rush RDNA4 mobile before RDNA4 desktop. The only time I remember AMD rushing something before the high end desktop parts was many years ago and it was still a desktop part not a mobile one.
I'm not entirely sure the Deckard will need a mobile chip given that current rumor seems to be the headset will be its own thing that has games streamed to it from a separate box, unless Valve wants a pretty small processing tower to play the games on
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
The hell is a Deckard?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Internal codename for Valve's next VR headset
3 weeks ago
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Deckard is the code name of a VR system that has repeatedly shown up in Valve's Linux commits related to AMD hardware.
Like how the new Deck showed up in Linux commits as Sephiroth.
FF7 and Jupiter related code names are Deck related
Bladerunner related code names are VR related
Neptune related code names are the new Steam Controller
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This was the chip AMD used from a newer generation on an older generation. This is something very strange that happened literally 10 years ago under another CEO. Very unlikely something like this happens again.
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-hd-7790.c2100
The Deckard prototypes that were in a commit used a discrete GPU, but there is disagreement on whether those were purely a testbed system, or an indication of what it would be.
There has been some speculation that Deckard will use a SFF PC base station so not 'stand alone' like Apple's VR, but 'stand alone' as a complete package SteamOS VR system.
Probably using a chip like the AMD Strix Point. 3 times the TDP, 2x the CUs, 1.5 generations newer, than Deck. Likely leaning on FSR3+antilag to deliver a locked 90fps.
Where AMD might also sell that system separate from the Deckard headset as a new Steam Machine.
Are the specs any better or is it literally just an OLED screen? I've been pretty disappointed by the performance of my deck; I didn't expect it to handle everything I threw at it but I'm still let down often enough. It's used almost exclusively for Pokemon romhacks now, just like my Vita all those years ago.
Either way I don't understand who this is for. Anyone who already has one isn't going to shell out for an oled deck unless they've got too much money to give a shit, and anyone who doesn't already have one isn't going to be convinced by an oled stopgap prior to the inevitable Deck 2 I would imagine.
They probably won't need it for a handheld, but I bet it is the same screen Valve plan to use with the Deckard.
Although FSR3 may be a killer feature for the Deck OLED more generally 40 or 45fps looks and feels pretty good and I bet the doubling will make it even better.
Deck can use FSR3 yes, but it doesn't matter much because fiddling with settings to hit a locked 40fps produces a better experience than 30fps doubled to 60.
Deck OLED could run supported FSR3 games at 40fps or 45fps and double those up to 80 or 90.
Has yet to be seen if Valve can implement global FSR3 support in Gamescope like the current FSR1.
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Given the relative power, very few things will hit a locked 40 unless you're already getting better fps with them and dropping it for battery life. At least in my experience.
It's either it runs 40 with some compromises and dips, has to be capped at 30 or runs at 60 for me.
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>very few things will hit a locked 40 unless you're already getting better fps with them and dropping it for battery life.
Which is exactly what I do, I generally aim for solid 40fps or 48fps at 9w.
I'm also not generally using my Deck for extremely demanding games.
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>I'm also not generally using my Deck for extremely demanding games.
Ah, fair.
I generally use it for either super light games or super demanding ones, with the occasional game like ghostrunner thrown in there too.
I love games like that which run perfect 60 and actually look good to boot, I want to say I played the whole first game on deck.
>or is it literally just an OLED screen?
It's not litterally just the screen, pretty much every improvement you could imagine for a Deck 2 was implemented minus a second redundant USBC port on the bottom and a beefier APU. Valve opted to maintain the current performance target of the deck by using a more efficient chip rather than a stronger chip.
90hz hdr oled screen, 50% better battery life, 110% srgb (old had like 60%) reviers say improved buttons.
and smaller bezels. went to a 7.4 inch screen from a 7 inch. the bezels look noticeably smaller, when the pixel density only went down by 10 pixels (from around 215 to 205)
>be me >fat cunt >have old deck >bezels are big so my fat doesn't cover the screen much >new deck has smaller bezels >meaning my gut will cover more screen
Nah I'm good. Kinda jealous of the better battery life and the 90fps though. I've never used OLED so I don't know how better it is than the LCD my current deck has.
The difference isn't nearly as significant as retards make it out to be. I play a lot of genshit on my OLED phone so I know what it looks like. "True blacks" are cool for a while then you just get used to them and they don't even matter in bright scenes.
>be me >fat cunt >have old deck >bezels are big so my fat doesn't cover the screen much >new deck has smaller bezels >meaning my gut will cover more screen
Nah I'm good. Kinda jealous of the better battery life and the 90fps though. I've never used OLED so I don't know how better it is than the LCD my current deck has.
True black isn't the main reason OLED is good, it's the fact there's absolutely zero backlight bleed.
You get an 1 terabyte storage, an extra 5 fps, 2 extra hours added to the battery life, 90hz oled display, smaller bezel, and a quieter fan. That's about it, the screens also HDR compatible, with an update probably coming out within the week to enable it. OG Deck also gets this but only on external displays.
what is the deck like for people who mostly pirate their games? i know that its possible, but do you always have to switch to desktop mode before starting a game? i bet you wont have that nice switch-like icon layout, and you wont have your save files syncing with your desktop either.
>i bet you wont have that nice switch-like icon layout,
you can use https://www.steamgriddb.com/ to add nice menu assets after adding the nonsteam game to steam
its indistinguishable from playing official games once you change the artwork. I dont know why you would expect automatic save file sync on a pirated game.
Never touched a Steam Deck before but I play my PC on my TV with BPM and pirate most of my games and it’s pretty annoying. I have to download and install the game then manually add the executable to Steam and then download landscape and portrait grid images (plus a library background and a logo) for each game to make the UI not look absolutely hideous. I did automate it somewhat with Steam Rom Manager. Instead of adding the exe to Steam directly I create a shortcut to it in a predetermined folder that gets parsed by SRM which which will automatically look for game images online and add them plus the exe to Steam. It successfully gets images like 60% of the time so I still have to do it manually a lot of the time. I imagine doing all that on a 7 inch Linux device with no easy access to a mouse or keyboard would suck pretty badly.
>Can someone give me the skinny on why OLED is worse than the previous option?
Potential for burn in is the biggest nitpick, but Valve is probably sourcing the screens from the same supplier for the OLED switch's, which have been stress tested and shown to be highly resistant to burn in.
Games i put a ton of time in to
Grim dawn
Starsector
Simcity 4
Stellaris
DoS2
Like a Dragon
Diablo 2 resurrected
I travel a ton for work, so i play on the plane and in the Hotel. Emudeck is great too, but so far i only play a custom mgba tetris and a bit of Baldurs Gate Dark Allience. Best fucking device i have evrr purchased, but i can't justify buying a 1.5 so Im waiting on the second iteration.
As worrying as it is to open up the deck at first, its not that bad, even reinstalling SteamOS is not some laborious process. There's tons of guides on how to do so.
Just get a 1TB or 2TB SDcard. A lot of what you think are issues with SDcards are really issues with Windows.
But the new system is supposed to be a bit easier to open up and replace the SSD if you really want to.
I agree with you. Before retards start crying about how SD cards are "slow", you're an idiot in the first place if you use your deck to play contemporary AAA shit, and SD speeds are fine for older games
Might be they have long term durability concerns. Transparent plastics tend to crack and break more easily. It's not usually a problem for handhelds, but perhaps the fact that joycon rails bear loads concerned them. Or perhaps someone at Nintendo just doesn't like the look of transparent shells. Who knows.
I dont see why those japs would be against it nintendo has always done transparent shit
yeah ive seen those 3rd party shells on aliexpress they look okay just wish they were frosted and not 100% clear
>I dont see why those japs would be against it nintendo has always done transparent shit
Like I said, could be concerns with the detachable joycons potentially stressing the plastic. In general it'd explain a whole lot. The GBA SP and the DS lines all skipped clear shells, the latter having problems with hinge breakage as is. The 3DS largely skipped it... except certain versions of the 2DS, which didn't have hinges to break.
On the other hand, it's been a long time since Nintendo regularly used clear shells in their hardware. Perhaps someone with that taste left the company, or got moved away from hardware design. Or perhaps someone's tastes simply moved away from transparent shells. I don't know, only Nintendo themselves knows the real answer.
Yeah, the shitty LCD screen was the only thing that really made me say no to the original. Probably just gonna get the 512GB since I have zero interest in modern games
Battery life went from completely unacceptable to decent.
Screen looks way nicer.
Still too big and has the stupid unnecessary touchpads but it's a lot more tempting purchase.
Though personally I'm not very into Steam, I stopped regularly buying games 10 years ago when the sales stopped being good. Most smaller scale / mid-budger games I just buy the Switch versions which are tailor made for handheld play anyway.
Maybe? Probably not. But it's gone from "ew, no" to "maybe."
+ more efficient SOC
+ less power draw from the screen
are you that dumb? even switch OLED does way better on battery just from the OLED screen, can max out brightness and not even notice the hit to battery
>Hahaha thanks for beta testing the PSX, PS2, PS3, PS4, and PS5 you fucking losers. You should only ever buy the last version of anything that gets made just before you die. Suckers.
When a true next-generation Deck comes out, I'll be laughing because I've been enjoying playing games on the Deck for years.
It is probably two years away, it seems like Valve's contracts with AMD are two years long. Although it seems like they are also continuing their orders of the first gen-SOC to have two production lines going at once. So we can almost certainly expect them to always have their new system and a cheaper older system from now on.
I've already been using the deck for 1.5 years. I bought the cheapest version because I knew it was a temporary beta test, the difference is you think the beta test is over and are going to spend a shit tonne on a much more expensive option that will be completely outdated in 2 years. The deck still needs a shit tonne of OS updates and at least 1 more power bump before I would recommend it to non autists.
Possible, but that might mean reducing production. Right now they're somewhere around 50k on the old line, maybe more now that they've simplified it to only produce a single SKU, but they might only be getting 10k or 20k from the new line and they use different chips, and boards so there is no disadvantage to them for running both lines.
My thought is that they'll keep both running, and the'll use the LCD model to sell on store shelves and expand supply to reach more markets. Both lines combined at full tilt will let them hit 100k a week.
Steam shills are so blatant and brazen with their shilling that they don't even attempt to hide it anymore. I hope the switch 2 blows the fuck out of the deck in sales so much that tendies will flaunt it in all of your faces daily.
>A console will destroy a PC in sales!
No shit. Deck is the best selling open-platform computer in 30 years, but it will be lucky to match the lifetime sales of the Dreamcast.
>the deck is marketed towards actual gamers.
anal woke already has to run at 20fps upscaled off 200p and it will only get worse from here
the goydeck is for trannies that spend all way playing pixelshit about depression and shitposting on the internet
not really a deck only problem, alan wake doesnt work on GPUs that run other modern AAA games at 60fps high-max settings. mesh shaders or whatever the fuck its called.
These things aren't even remotely the same, one is for women and children and the other is for people that actually consume good content.
These arguments are identical to what snoys say despite having no games and it's fucking hilarious.
Steamgoys really are the applefags of the PC market.
you play games because big corpos shill them to you. I play games I dig out of the farthest esoteric reaches of the internet. We aren't the same consolefag
No because I still can't use it to plug up to my PC and have it act as the bottom screen for DS/3DS/Wii U emulation.
I need a machine like the Deck that can do this, but none so far exist. Same thing with the Legion Go.
I dont think the 1tb is worth it let alone the limited edition. You already know deck 2 is coming in 2-3 years and its going to make this thing irrelevant, I would never splurge on a limited edition console I knew I was going to upgrade in a couple years.
More than half the games I thought might be fun to play on Deck are listed as having problems on Linux. Plus I have 20-30 Xbox PC games from buying Xbox versions.
Even if the Deck can theoretically do Windows, it's not optimized for it, it's just not a good experience compared to an OS meant to run the Deck. What games are you considering, and what is their current Proton status? I've yet to find the game that doesn't play nice with Proton, at this point I think it's only anti-cheat-based stuff and stuff that was like, designed to run on Windows 3.1 and is missing some sort of crucial compatibility layer modern Windows adds for legacy software.
>stuff that was like, designed to run on Windows 3.1
That stuff can generally run in DOS mode, so you can use DOSbox for that easily if you have the proper compatibility tool installed. There are also a few engine specific compatibility tools that can run various games, as well as Luxtorpeda which has a bunch of open source engines for games.
The compatibility tools are really a killer feature of Steam for Linux, so many old games ship on Steam with outdated emulators or wrappers for working on Windows and they often aren't kept up to date.
Sure but that stuff won't Just Werks if you install it on Deck, I don't think. Not the same way most Windows installs will where it will just generate the Proton layer for you automagically. Is DOSbox a compatibility mode the Deck natively supports?
Boxtron is one of the third-party compatibility tools you can install, but it wouldn't surprise me if Valve adopts it as official in the future. It is something they could use to test out deploying the compatibility tools on MacOS and Windows.
If you go to desktop mode, there is an application you can install called ProtonUp that will let you set up a variety of additional compatibility tools, and then you can set Steam to use that alternate compatibility tool.
What Valve needs to do is ship Boxtron by default in addition to Proton and add in per-compatibility tool lists of games to enable them in by default.
They'll definitely need something similar in the future if UWP games ever catch on and they have to make a compatibility tool for them, and there are other games where a more fine-tuned compatibility tool for a specific era might have value.
>What Valve needs to do is ship Boxtron by default in addition to Proton and add in per-compatibility tool lists of games to enable them in by default.
The current system of selecting a compatibility tool from within Steam that's saved per-title seems fine, as long as that list can be expanded to include DOS emulators and such.
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>as long as that list can be expanded to include DOS emulators and such.
It already can. Once you've installed a compatibility tool and set it for a game it will always run with it.
I just think in the future Valve might officially use Boxtron for DOS games and bypass the outdated DOSbox that those games often ship with.
As I said I think it would be a good way for them to test compatibility tools outside of Linux, on their way to a goal I suspect is Proton everywhere.
There's probably a way to get that flash game to work since I've played a few 15+ year old flash games using bottles after installing the right dependencies. The only games I haven't been able to run are epic games store shit that is also available on steam. For some reason transistor doesnt work and its impossible to find workarounds since nobody cares (because there's a native Linux version on other platforms).
Yes
That'll be an extra hour or more of game time for many games
More responsive touchscreen and trackpad will make desktop usage better
HDR and 90FPS where it can be used
Improved audio even though I didn't feel it was insufficient to begin with
Not stripping out the body and screws for when I transplant my current SSD and later do some other replacements
Should I buy one of these things or upgrade my PC's GPU? I'm still running a GTX 970 and new games are starting to really chug. However I only buy a new release one every 2-3 years, most shit I play are indies that are nowhere near as graphically intense.
That might depend on what the rest of your system is like. If your have a relatively capable CPU and RAM a GPU like a 6700 probably is a better buy, unless you find yourself really wanting the lean-back handheld experience.
If you need an all new system, and handheld gaming isn't a big draw, I'd probably buy an AMD barebones SFF machine with the full 12CU 680M.
Deck can be used for mouse and keyboard gaming, or TV gaming, but you do need a USB C Dock for that.
I get a lot of use out of my Deck for the kind of gaming you describe, but I also don't use it as my primary system. However, I did build my most recent machine with technical specs similar to, although much more powerful than, the Deck with the idea that RDNA2 will be supported well by Linux long-term. My previous AMD GPUs each lasted me 5+ years of gaming using the open source drivers.
>If your have a relatively capable CPU and RAM a GPU
I have an i9 and 32GB of RAM. The GPU is leftover from my old PC since I was looking to save money when I built it. Thanks for the well thought out advice.
There are some here and there, but I'd wait for GN to cover it since there are so many variables that affect batter life - HDR on/off, your general brightness setting, frame limiters, in-game FSR, etc.
pic rel is digital foundry so take it with a grain of salt
No "Deckard" was clearly VR hardware in the commits that referenced it.
This is the system that was referenced as Galileo / Sephiroth (SoC) in the Linux commits.
Should I even try to buy one on the 16th? Think they will all get snatched up by bots or is it "print to demand" situation? If I miss out, how long will I have to wait to get one?
>early adopters acting like this is unprecedented
If it's really that big of a deal for you, just sell the one you have now and put that towards the new one. Just like any tech - or anything else in life, really.
On one hand, I get extremely autistic about the battery life and balancing the TDP with graphics settings and framerate, and I can see a ton of battery life improvements between the battery size increase, shrunken die, more power efficient display and lower thermals (which means less power going to the fan).
On the other hand, I don't give a fuck about oled and if I bought this one I would just constantly be worried about burn in in the back of my mind and end up doing stupid shit like forcing offsets on the display to change to keep the image from being still and huds from burning in.
>I would just constantly be worried about burn in
you can replace it
and a it'll be a lot easier this time around since you don't have to tear it down from the back side
That's not analogous. There is no battery technology in regular consumer products that you don't have to eventually replace. All batteries degrade. Modern TN, LCD and IPS panels do not have this problem
The Switch OLED didn't get burn in until a youtuber left it on 100% brightness, static image for 3600 hours straight.
Worrying about burn in with normal use is a meme.
> worried about burn in
Why? that guy left his switch oled on for years at max brightness. It took 150 days or 3600 hours on exactly the same image to have even minute traces of burn in.
It's not fucking 2008 you stupid retarded naggers. Worrying about "burn in" is so stupid you should have a nice day for even thinking about it you third worlder
>Limited Edition only comes with etched screen that dulls OLED vibrancy.
Someone mentioned you can get a glossy screen protector in the last thread to fix this. Anyone have recommendations? Does the JSAUX """"HD Clarity""""" screen protector fit the bill?
>people buying screen protectors just to stick over the etched glass and prevent it from dissipating the light as its supposed to. What a fucking meme. Why does valve keep doing this?
I love the etched screen on my steam deck, I don't understand what people are complaining about. The reduction in glare is worth it for an intangible difference in color presentation.
>puts it down while the screen protector is still covering half >looks damn near identical >reflections and discolouration from the screen protector on an angle
It's almost like he's saying "I want to not be able to play in a room with any sort of lighting" apart from the glow of the screen.
I wonder, how does the Deck's performance compare to my old PC? My old PC is a Ryzen 5 1600 with a RX580. I know the Deck uses newer RDNA2 architecture, but my old pc doesn't have the limited power and cooling constraints that a handheld has.
Nobody pays attention to Linux gaming media. There were references to the updated SoC committed to the Linux kernel months ago.
Also pre-production probably hasn't been massive, when they set up the original Steam Deck production line the first few weeks was 10k a week, it wasn't until April that they hit the full 50k a week, and unlike consoles which often have a couple million ready to go at launch Deck is only now around 3 or 4 million lifetime.
I bet that they're doing the same thing with the new model. The units they're showing off are part of the first 20 or 30k units made. Only difference is they're going to sell more of those as the 'limited edition'.
Except Valve doesn't make games so the only thing these troons do for Valve are background lore for Dota and CS which are completely irrelevant in the scope of these games.
I'm in the same boat but I dont really see how they can shrink it significantly without removing the touchpads. I would settle for the same size but detachable controllers so its easier to pack into a bag.
when are the homosexuals going to sell the joycons separately? i'm not into mobile shit but that mouse stick is fucking genius and i'm not buying a gayheld for it
None, I make the price of one in a day, I’m not risking my career to resale them or some shit. Security is also very good now, I’m not even sure how I would take one.
It's been hilarious seeing all the poorfags cope saying it's just a screen upgrade when basically every single aspect of the Deck has been improved somewhat.
It's basically now the product that Valve wanted to launch with.
it's basically the goydeck pro after valve lied and said there wouldn't be upgrades any time soon
yet when you point this out the steamgoys are very quick to say simultaneously "it was never EXPLICITLY promised akshually" and "the upgrades are not a big deal akshually"
you can't have your cake and eat it too goyim, the cake is a lie
>aid there wouldn't be upgrades any time soon
They said there wouldn't be a Steam Deck 2 any time soon. The existence of a minor Deck revision leaked months ago.
>it's basically the goydeck pro after valve lied and said there wouldn't be upgrades any time soon
no, they explicitly said they would be making a revision with a better screen and battery life and that is what they did
it's a lot of little differences that add up but the architecture is the same so the performance is roughly the same aside from a slight increase from faster memory. there are a lot of power efficiency improvements more than anything
in the same way you can't say the switch oled is the switch 2, you can't say the deck oled is the deck 2
Do we know yet if the "steam profile bundle" and "exclusive virtual keyboard theme" for the premium model are different from the ones included with the old premium LCD model?
Yup. OLED makes a ton of game experiences that just wouldn't be fun on a POS LCD worth it. (classic Thief, Doom WADs, The Last of Us, Dark Souls, Metro, etc). Better controls and battery life is just a plus. I also can't wait to use it to stream 90hz HDR from my main PC for games like CP2077 or RDR2.
With the OG Deck they did a really good job of preventing people from scalping it, and it sounds like they'll have similar protections in place again this time.
I also have a feeling that the 'limited edition' isn't going to be very limited. If Valve gets enough orders, and it will probably be the most popular version of the OLED, they'll probably just make it the version they produce the most of.
I absolutely love my Deck. It and the Switch got me back into gaming. I haven't been playing it the past month because of work, but I've been playing it consistently the entire year. I'm seriously considering getting the oled and just giving the lcd to my brother.
This is just generally true of any glossy vs matte screen decision.
Glossy will always be better (higher contrast, better colours, etc) if glare isn't a concern.
Oof, imagine a business venture getting shot in the crib before it can even walk. Last I heard the Deck HD guys were in talks with Valve about working out the kinks of third party screen replacements with future Steam OS patches. Valve are snakes, lol.
>It's still a viable product
lol, you have to go through so many hoops to get it working, nevermind the total asspain of having to take apart on OG deck to do it, Valve streamlined the process immensely for the OLED. >especially with the refurbished models.
The total price will probably be in spitting distance of the mid-tier OLED, probably more if you have to upgrade the internal SSD to at least 512gb, and if you're opening up the deck for a screen replacement, you might as well. >A higher resolution screen is still lucrative.
Lol, games factually run worse on a higher resolution. Most people who have reviewed the OLED gushed about the contrast to the point they didn't stop to raise a stink about still being an 800p screen. The honest truth is that color and contrast are among the most noticeable and important aspects of a screen, and Valve nailed them with this screen. DeckHD fags on suicide watch. Frankly, every non-OLED handheld PC has been eviscerated by this announcement, because Valve now beats them at price-perf, user experience, Inputs, battery life, AND screen.
It would be nice if these guys can do an oled 720p drop in for the OG deck. I am an early adopter but honestly love my deck. If the difference performance wise is that minimal I can live with mine but a mod for the screen to match something like that would be nice plus. I already threw in a 2tb ssd.
Issue is the Steam deck uses 16:10 aspect ratio 800p screen, not a 16:9 720p screen like the Switch Oled, so you can't source the same screens as the Switch for a drop in replacement. Any company that wants to make an OLED replacement for OG would need to order a bespoke screen from a manufacturer, and it'd have to be at huge volumes to lower the price for consumers. A better bet is Valve making the OLED screen availabe for sale through their partners and someone making a mod with spacers to put it into the OG. Hopefully just flashing the OG deck with the OLED model fork of Steam OS would make it work, but if not OG owners are shit outta luck. All we can do is wait and see how Valve addresses third party screen replacement comparability, but my guess it's not high on their priority list.
> Valve says screen is easier to replace now and you dont have to dismantle the device to do it > This somehow harms people selling screen replacements?
The screen is easier to replace on the OLED deck, but no one is going to want to replace the OLED screen except for another valve authorized OLED screen through ifixit or something. All the current screen replacements would be marketed toward the OG deck, which has a shity LCD panel and is a total bitch to dissasemble. It's fucking OVER for screen replacement sellers because for the average conumer it's less hassle to just to sell their current deck and buy an OLED to enjoy all the other improvements in construction and battery life. The final nail in the coffin is Valve creating a trade in program to source more parts for their old steam deck waranties, because presumably production of those will lower and stock will dry out.
on the topic of glass, I wish decks had gorilla glass, just for the peace of mind of it being really tough. I treat all of my non-smartphone devices with care like they're fragile. While I freely toss around my phone because it's basically indestructible.
Definitely, but I'm not getting it but my friend will for me due to him loosing the bet and it'sbasically my birthday gift. God I love betting with thought
I really only want it for the better battery. I will have to wait to see how much of a difference it really makes. They say its 25% more? But my deck really only makes it 2 hours with most mid tier games I've tried, an extra half hour is probably not worth upgrading.
>if they really don't ship the next one with oled at launch.
Give then project leads' answers to questions from Norm on Tested it seems likely they'll stick with OLED permanently
Oh good, it would be a shame for them to walk back on any of these improvements going forwards. I wonder if they can get an even higher nit screen next time, it's rather sunny where I live.
Specifically this is the part where they seems to be all in on OLED, though it is in the context of the interviewer clearly probing them on the potential of OLED for the unannounced Deckard VR headset
I play some pixelshit games like Into the Breach and the Deck has much longer life than that.
If I'm flying around in No Man's Sky the battery is dead very quickly though.
It varies wildly depending on what you're playing.
Cyberpunk gets me like 1.5 hours and some emulation and other low power things I like can go all the way up to 6+ for me on the original deck.
I got the previous deck, maybe i should have waited, but to be fair I used my deck a lot
Dunno if skip this one and wait for the inevitable deck 2 with oled
It's going to be years until we get a worthwhile generational improvement in power efficiency
Maybe wait for a sale, or sell your LCD deck to some unknowing pawn shop or rando before OLED releases to maximize your value, and accept the loss as an exchange for the time you enjoyed the deck so far
By all reports the current production line runs at 50k units a week which is 2.6 million units a year. So they should be closing in on 4 million units. If the new line also does 50k a week that makes it 5.2 million a year.
Amazing sales for a GNU/Linux PC, or even any single PC, but doesn't look great relative to consoles which is why Valve is a bit tight-lipped about it.
Lifetime sales Deck as the 3rd gen Steam Machine might hit Dreamcast (10 million) or Commodore 64 (15 million) level success.
Still pretty niche tbh.
It's less expensive than a console and more versatile, I could absolutely see someone poor getting a deck instead of a switch and a current gen console, or instead of a pc in general.
Does it have worse performance? Yes
But it's more versatile and can do a lot for the price.
I have as much fun playing games as min-maxing settings for battery life
If you do that for fun, then the power savings of OLED, the die shrink, larger battery within the same size/weight, are all very desirable things.
I used to think that it was silly to watch videos on a tablet when I have a big screen television and a nice computer monitor.
But then I got a tablet and I found myself using it in bed or while on the toilet.
It's a similar thing with the Steam Deck, gaming on the toilet or in bed happens even when the PC is just a few steps away.
>kind of want to buy it because i like the form factor >but i have a 1660 so it'd be smarter to buy a new pc for a few hundred more instead
maybe it's time to become a wagie so i don't have to pick and choose
Just wait for a deck 2.
Or yeah, get more money so you don't have to choose, the issue then is that you don't have the time or energy to take full advantage of it.
I bought a deck because
1. I travel a lot for work
2. my only console is a PS3
but even then most of my gaming is done when I'm home. And if I'm home why would I not want to play on a big TV/monitor? I have one dock hooked up to a TV for controller couch gaming and another one connected to a PC monitor if I want to play kb/m games. Don't have to worry about battery life or fan noise so I can play more demanding games.
you're pretty much the target audience for the steam deck, somebody that wants a low-tier gaming PC that you can also take with you without needing a full desk setup
>could buy a normal tablet
>nah I'll get the more expensive one with a worse screen for literally no reason lol
To be fair, the only other tablet worth owning right now is the iPad 9 and iOS is more limited than what the Deck has.
you say that like steamOS is limited
He's asking if you're going to buy the steam deck, not if you are retarded.
A Tablet can't do a fraction of what the deck does. The deck is a complete pc in a small form factor, a tablet is a device that can only be used for social media and watch videos.
and what games are you going to be playing on your shitty underpowered tablet?
I didn't buy the last one since I was broke, now I'm not, so I guess it's for people hesitant or buying the first one or just didn't get around to it.
yes I love playing pc games on tablets
I already have a normal Deck. Not gonna buy a new one seeing as I haven't used the old one as much as I thought, even though it did make time fly fast when I had to travel once this year.
Already have an original. Enjoy it while you can, OLED fags, I'll have the last laugh when I buy the Deck 2.
I'll actually have the last laugh when I buy the Deck 2, because I didn't waste money on a Deck 1
I might just use the money to save for a better monitor. Maybe an OLED monitor.
OLED is shit tier for monitors. All the downsides of IPS are negated by simply buying a desk lamp with a dimmer switch. Playing in absolute darkness is retarded.
Uh huh.
Enjoy your UI burn in, fag.
Get MiniLED fucking fag.
Same great advantages of OLED but no burn in.
You dumbass think only OLED matters.
Incredible poorfag cope
with my 'ick
I'm buying one. My wife is not going to be happy with me spending an extra $700 right before Christmas lmao
>an extra $700
Don't buy the highest tier model, it has the dogshit matte screen that fucks with the OLED's contrast.
don't blindly parrot things some youtuber says
I'm speaking from experience with the OG deck after returning mine for a cheaper model. If the matte can noticeably impact the contrast of an LCD, then it'll do the same to an Oled. The glare softening effect is also way too minor to be worth the tradeoff, avoid laser etched 'ecks.
I got the matte when it first launched and it makes the screen look like shit. I returned it and got the one without the etched glass. A third party matte screen protector looks better than whatever that shit is. I definitely wouldn't get an etched oled.
Idk I like the matte screen on my current deck
what?!
3tb of storage seems pretty nice though
I'm waiting for the RDNA3 refresh. Valve said it will take years but it will be worth the weight.
>Valve said it will take years
Valve says a lot of shit, I don't trust them anymore. Only reason I'm not buying an OLED is because Next year the next Deck will come out.
Next year? Don't hold your breath. RDNA4 comes out around this time next year and the mobile shit comes later. Make with this info what you will.
>RDNA4 comes out around this time next year and the mobile shit comes later.
God we're gonna have to wait another year at least for the Deckard aren't we?
There's almost zero chance AMD will rush RDNA4 mobile before RDNA4 desktop. The only time I remember AMD rushing something before the high end desktop parts was many years ago and it was still a desktop part not a mobile one.
I'm not entirely sure the Deckard will need a mobile chip given that current rumor seems to be the headset will be its own thing that has games streamed to it from a separate box, unless Valve wants a pretty small processing tower to play the games on
The hell is a Deckard?
Internal codename for Valve's next VR headset
Deckard is the code name of a VR system that has repeatedly shown up in Valve's Linux commits related to AMD hardware.
Like how the new Deck showed up in Linux commits as Sephiroth.
FF7 and Jupiter related code names are Deck related
Bladerunner related code names are VR related
Neptune related code names are the new Steam Controller
This was the chip AMD used from a newer generation on an older generation. This is something very strange that happened literally 10 years ago under another CEO. Very unlikely something like this happens again.
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-hd-7790.c2100
The Deckard prototypes that were in a commit used a discrete GPU, but there is disagreement on whether those were purely a testbed system, or an indication of what it would be.
There has been some speculation that Deckard will use a SFF PC base station so not 'stand alone' like Apple's VR, but 'stand alone' as a complete package SteamOS VR system.
Probably using a chip like the AMD Strix Point. 3 times the TDP, 2x the CUs, 1.5 generations newer, than Deck. Likely leaning on FSR3+antilag to deliver a locked 90fps.
Where AMD might also sell that system separate from the Deckard headset as a new Steam Machine.
Are the specs any better or is it literally just an OLED screen? I've been pretty disappointed by the performance of my deck; I didn't expect it to handle everything I threw at it but I'm still let down often enough. It's used almost exclusively for Pokemon romhacks now, just like my Vita all those years ago.
Either way I don't understand who this is for. Anyone who already has one isn't going to shell out for an oled deck unless they've got too much money to give a shit, and anyone who doesn't already have one isn't going to be convinced by an oled stopgap prior to the inevitable Deck 2 I would imagine.
90hz hdr oled screen, 50% better battery life, 110% srgb (old had like 60%) reviers say improved buttons.
The hell are you gonna need 90hz for on a handheld
They probably won't need it for a handheld, but I bet it is the same screen Valve plan to use with the Deckard.
Although FSR3 may be a killer feature for the Deck OLED more generally 40 or 45fps looks and feels pretty good and I bet the doubling will make it even better.
Wait, does the deck oled have fsr 3 frame generation?
Deck can use FSR3 yes, but it doesn't matter much because fiddling with settings to hit a locked 40fps produces a better experience than 30fps doubled to 60.
Deck OLED could run supported FSR3 games at 40fps or 45fps and double those up to 80 or 90.
Has yet to be seen if Valve can implement global FSR3 support in Gamescope like the current FSR1.
Given the relative power, very few things will hit a locked 40 unless you're already getting better fps with them and dropping it for battery life. At least in my experience.
It's either it runs 40 with some compromises and dips, has to be capped at 30 or runs at 60 for me.
>very few things will hit a locked 40 unless you're already getting better fps with them and dropping it for battery life.
Which is exactly what I do, I generally aim for solid 40fps or 48fps at 9w.
I'm also not generally using my Deck for extremely demanding games.
>I'm also not generally using my Deck for extremely demanding games.
Ah, fair.
I generally use it for either super light games or super demanding ones, with the occasional game like ghostrunner thrown in there too.
I love games like that which run perfect 60 and actually look good to boot, I want to say I played the whole first game on deck.
to play easy to run games in 90hz?
niche case but 45fps 90hz will have less drastic frametime jumps when you miss a frame compared to 45fps 45hz
>or is it literally just an OLED screen?
It's not litterally just the screen, pretty much every improvement you could imagine for a Deck 2 was implemented minus a second redundant USBC port on the bottom and a beefier APU. Valve opted to maintain the current performance target of the deck by using a more efficient chip rather than a stronger chip.
and smaller bezels. went to a 7.4 inch screen from a 7 inch. the bezels look noticeably smaller, when the pixel density only went down by 10 pixels (from around 215 to 205)
>be me
>fat cunt
>have old deck
>bezels are big so my fat doesn't cover the screen much
>new deck has smaller bezels
>meaning my gut will cover more screen
Nah I'm good. Kinda jealous of the better battery life and the 90fps though. I've never used OLED so I don't know how better it is than the LCD my current deck has.
The difference isn't nearly as significant as retards make it out to be. I play a lot of genshit on my OLED phone so I know what it looks like. "True blacks" are cool for a while then you just get used to them and they don't even matter in bright scenes.
True black isn't the main reason OLED is good, it's the fact there's absolutely zero backlight bleed.
You get an 1 terabyte storage, an extra 5 fps, 2 extra hours added to the battery life, 90hz oled display, smaller bezel, and a quieter fan. That's about it, the screens also HDR compatible, with an update probably coming out within the week to enable it. OG Deck also gets this but only on external displays.
what is the deck like for people who mostly pirate their games? i know that its possible, but do you always have to switch to desktop mode before starting a game? i bet you wont have that nice switch-like icon layout, and you wont have your save files syncing with your desktop either.
You can add non steam games to steam
>i bet you wont have that nice switch-like icon layout,
you can use https://www.steamgriddb.com/ to add nice menu assets after adding the nonsteam game to steam
its indistinguishable from playing official games once you change the artwork. I dont know why you would expect automatic save file sync on a pirated game.
You can literally just use playnite to have a console style launcher on PC.
Never touched a Steam Deck before but I play my PC on my TV with BPM and pirate most of my games and it’s pretty annoying. I have to download and install the game then manually add the executable to Steam and then download landscape and portrait grid images (plus a library background and a logo) for each game to make the UI not look absolutely hideous. I did automate it somewhat with Steam Rom Manager. Instead of adding the exe to Steam directly I create a shortcut to it in a predetermined folder that gets parsed by SRM which which will automatically look for game images online and add them plus the exe to Steam. It successfully gets images like 60% of the time so I still have to do it manually a lot of the time. I imagine doing all that on a 7 inch Linux device with no easy access to a mouse or keyboard would suck pretty badly.
Can someone give me the skinny on why OLED is worse than the previous option?
Thinking of getting it as an upgrade for portable emulators
>Can someone give me the skinny on why OLED is worse than the previous option?
Potential for burn in is the biggest nitpick, but Valve is probably sourcing the screens from the same supplier for the OLED switch's, which have been stress tested and shown to be highly resistant to burn in.
only issue is potential burn in which can be avoided by not staying on one screen for too long
>avoided
delayed.
it isn't, but it's probably not worth buying a whole new deck either
There is nothing worse about it at all. It's better in every way.
What are the best games to play on the steam deck?
Any multiplat on the Switch.
So just pirating nintendo games?
multiplats aren't nintendo games, but yes, you could do that too.
Rimworld
Oh I forgot about Rimworld. That would be maximum comfy on a deck
Games i put a ton of time in to
Grim dawn
Starsector
Simcity 4
Stellaris
DoS2
Like a Dragon
Diablo 2 resurrected
I travel a ton for work, so i play on the plane and in the Hotel. Emudeck is great too, but so far i only play a custom mgba tetris and a bit of Baldurs Gate Dark Allience. Best fucking device i have evrr purchased, but i can't justify buying a 1.5 so Im waiting on the second iteration.
dirt rally
valkyria chronicles
beamng
bridge constructor
ryse son of rome if you haven't
old multiplats that have been on PC forever but haven't received rereleases, remasters or remakes on consoles in forever
oblivion and dead rising 1 come to mind
turn based rpgs from ps2/GC downwards and any other low-intensity game that doesn't make you sit up and hunch over to play it
Jrpgs mostly
Then comfy games like hitman, deus ex, yakuza...
'ICK ON OLED 'ECK
'ock 'ead on 'led 'eck
kek
Will ick on eck poster buy the new deck and make new webms?
Does he even exist anymore? I haven't seen that fat bastard in months.
>valve singehandedly going to bring the ecker poster back into posting again
Thank you gabe
I bought a Deck because of the ick on eck poster
Same
The only reason I own a Deck is because of him. I literally didn't even open it yet, it's still in the box.
How hard is it to change the SSD? The etched glass fucking with the screen quality is making me lean towards getting the 512GB deck.
As worrying as it is to open up the deck at first, its not that bad, even reinstalling SteamOS is not some laborious process. There's tons of guides on how to do so.
Just get a 1TB or 2TB SDcard. A lot of what you think are issues with SDcards are really issues with Windows.
But the new system is supposed to be a bit easier to open up and replace the SSD if you really want to.
I agree with you. Before retards start crying about how SD cards are "slow", you're an idiot in the first place if you use your deck to play contemporary AAA shit, and SD speeds are fine for older games
if you put a glass screen protector on the 1tb models screen, it cancels it out
How does that even work logic wise.
idk, but it works. watch dave2d's video
the clear version is so kino why hasnt nintendo made a clear switch yet?
Might be they have long term durability concerns. Transparent plastics tend to crack and break more easily. It's not usually a problem for handhelds, but perhaps the fact that joycon rails bear loads concerned them. Or perhaps someone at Nintendo just doesn't like the look of transparent shells. Who knows.
At last reshelling a Switch isn't difficult.
I dont see why those japs would be against it nintendo has always done transparent shit
yeah ive seen those 3rd party shells on aliexpress they look okay just wish they were frosted and not 100% clear
>I dont see why those japs would be against it nintendo has always done transparent shit
Like I said, could be concerns with the detachable joycons potentially stressing the plastic. In general it'd explain a whole lot. The GBA SP and the DS lines all skipped clear shells, the latter having problems with hinge breakage as is. The 3DS largely skipped it... except certain versions of the 2DS, which didn't have hinges to break.
On the other hand, it's been a long time since Nintendo regularly used clear shells in their hardware. Perhaps someone with that taste left the company, or got moved away from hardware design. Or perhaps someone's tastes simply moved away from transparent shells. I don't know, only Nintendo themselves knows the real answer.
Yeah, the shitty LCD screen was the only thing that really made me say no to the original. Probably just gonna get the 512GB since I have zero interest in modern games
Its a lot better than the original.
Battery life went from completely unacceptable to decent.
Screen looks way nicer.
Still too big and has the stupid unnecessary touchpads but it's a lot more tempting purchase.
Though personally I'm not very into Steam, I stopped regularly buying games 10 years ago when the sales stopped being good. Most smaller scale / mid-budger games I just buy the Switch versions which are tailor made for handheld play anyway.
Maybe? Probably not. But it's gone from "ew, no" to "maybe."
>has the stupid unnecessary touchpads
ROG shill cope.
>25% increase turns it from "unacceptable" to "decent"
>shitting on touch pads
What is it like to have room temperature IQ
+ more efficient SOC
+ less power draw from the screen
are you that dumb? even switch OLED does way better on battery just from the OLED screen, can max out brightness and not even notice the hit to battery
The touchpads are a game changer and make kb/m controls functional on a gamepad format
>unnecessary touchpads
this nigga never scrolled by moving his thumb in a circular motion
The touchpads are not unnecessary, fuck off. Retards who prevent control schemes from getting better are one of the cancers in gaming.
Every PC handheld needs touchpads. Every single one of them.
>unnecessary touchpads
Touchpads and gyro should be mandatory on every handheld PC.
thanks for beta testing cucks
>Hahaha thanks for beta testing the PSX, PS2, PS3, PS4, and PS5 you fucking losers. You should only ever buy the last version of anything that gets made just before you die. Suckers.
When the deck 2 comes out I'm going to laugh at you for actually beta testing on the more expensive options.
When a true next-generation Deck comes out, I'll be laughing because I've been enjoying playing games on the Deck for years.
It is probably two years away, it seems like Valve's contracts with AMD are two years long. Although it seems like they are also continuing their orders of the first gen-SOC to have two production lines going at once. So we can almost certainly expect them to always have their new system and a cheaper older system from now on.
I've already been using the deck for 1.5 years. I bought the cheapest version because I knew it was a temporary beta test, the difference is you think the beta test is over and are going to spend a shit tonne on a much more expensive option that will be completely outdated in 2 years. The deck still needs a shit tonne of OS updates and at least 1 more power bump before I would recommend it to non autists.
I actually expect Valve to quietly update the cheapest deck with 6nm chip in 1/2 year at most
Possible, but that might mean reducing production. Right now they're somewhere around 50k on the old line, maybe more now that they've simplified it to only produce a single SKU, but they might only be getting 10k or 20k from the new line and they use different chips, and boards so there is no disadvantage to them for running both lines.
My thought is that they'll keep both running, and the'll use the LCD model to sell on store shelves and expand supply to reach more markets. Both lines combined at full tilt will let them hit 100k a week.
>can max out brightness and not even notice the hit to battery
I hope you don't actually believe this
Real men sold their decks months ago when they got the insider info on the deck oled.
Don't tell me how I knew it was coming.
Everybody knew it was coming, the commits to the Linux kernel and Mesa were pushed upstream months ago.
Steam shills are so blatant and brazen with their shilling that they don't even attempt to hide it anymore. I hope the switch 2 blows the fuck out of the deck in sales so much that tendies will flaunt it in all of your faces daily.
>salesnaggering
do better
>A console will destroy a PC in sales!
No shit. Deck is the best selling open-platform computer in 30 years, but it will be lucky to match the lifetime sales of the Dreamcast.
the switch is marketed to women, children and men-children. the deck is marketed towards actual gamers.
>the deck is marketed towards actual gamers.
anal woke already has to run at 20fps upscaled off 200p and it will only get worse from here
the goydeck is for trannies that spend all way playing pixelshit about depression and shitposting on the internet
I play new vegas on mine. Can't do that on your gay switch
not really a deck only problem, alan wake doesnt work on GPUs that run other modern AAA games at 60fps high-max settings. mesh shaders or whatever the fuck its called.
These arguments are identical to what snoys say despite having no games and it's fucking hilarious.
Steamgoys really are the applefags of the PC market.
only tendies give a shit about sales figures, deck owners just play games.
you play games because big corpos shill them to you. I play games I dig out of the farthest esoteric reaches of the internet. We aren't the same consolefag
You play abandonware and hidden one man projects?
Switch already blew the fuck out of Deck's sales. What exactly do you think is gonna change if it happens again?
These things aren't even remotely the same, one is for women and children and the other is for people that actually consume good content.
Yeah, I know. I don't know why you're responding to me.
Sir, just because I have a PC doesn't mean I play good content. I have more than 8700 hours on one WoW character.
>god damn these john deere shills in this farming thread!!!
big black deck by Valve (tm)
>So are you going to be picking up an OLEDeck?
I already use linux and I have no use for a device like this, at least, not one as weak as this.
No. But I'll be on the road the moment I get my journeyman's license which is 18 months away. By that time something better will be available.
No because I still can't use it to plug up to my PC and have it act as the bottom screen for DS/3DS/Wii U emulation.
I need a machine like the Deck that can do this, but none so far exist. Same thing with the Legion Go.
No, I have a 64GB one already.
Friends, is the limited edition worth it? my main concern is that anti glare coating.
I dont think the 1tb is worth it let alone the limited edition. You already know deck 2 is coming in 2-3 years and its going to make this thing irrelevant, I would never splurge on a limited edition console I knew I was going to upgrade in a couple years.
Nah, I already have a normal deck. Gonna wait until hardware upgrade.
nope, I'm already a beta tester for the original version
Hows Windows on Deck these days?
More than half the games I thought might be fun to play on Deck are listed as having problems on Linux. Plus I have 20-30 Xbox PC games from buying Xbox versions.
Even if the Deck can theoretically do Windows, it's not optimized for it, it's just not a good experience compared to an OS meant to run the Deck. What games are you considering, and what is their current Proton status? I've yet to find the game that doesn't play nice with Proton, at this point I think it's only anti-cheat-based stuff and stuff that was like, designed to run on Windows 3.1 and is missing some sort of crucial compatibility layer modern Windows adds for legacy software.
>stuff that was like, designed to run on Windows 3.1
That stuff can generally run in DOS mode, so you can use DOSbox for that easily if you have the proper compatibility tool installed. There are also a few engine specific compatibility tools that can run various games, as well as Luxtorpeda which has a bunch of open source engines for games.
The compatibility tools are really a killer feature of Steam for Linux, so many old games ship on Steam with outdated emulators or wrappers for working on Windows and they often aren't kept up to date.
Sure but that stuff won't Just Werks if you install it on Deck, I don't think. Not the same way most Windows installs will where it will just generate the Proton layer for you automagically. Is DOSbox a compatibility mode the Deck natively supports?
Boxtron is one of the third-party compatibility tools you can install, but it wouldn't surprise me if Valve adopts it as official in the future. It is something they could use to test out deploying the compatibility tools on MacOS and Windows.
If you go to desktop mode, there is an application you can install called ProtonUp that will let you set up a variety of additional compatibility tools, and then you can set Steam to use that alternate compatibility tool.
What Valve needs to do is ship Boxtron by default in addition to Proton and add in per-compatibility tool lists of games to enable them in by default.
They'll definitely need something similar in the future if UWP games ever catch on and they have to make a compatibility tool for them, and there are other games where a more fine-tuned compatibility tool for a specific era might have value.
>What Valve needs to do is ship Boxtron by default in addition to Proton and add in per-compatibility tool lists of games to enable them in by default.
The current system of selecting a compatibility tool from within Steam that's saved per-title seems fine, as long as that list can be expanded to include DOS emulators and such.
>as long as that list can be expanded to include DOS emulators and such.
It already can. Once you've installed a compatibility tool and set it for a game it will always run with it.
I just think in the future Valve might officially use Boxtron for DOS games and bypass the outdated DOSbox that those games often ship with.
As I said I think it would be a good way for them to test compatibility tools outside of Linux, on their way to a goal I suspect is Proton everywhere.
Out of the 200 games I've tried on linux only 1 has failed and that is a 15 year old flash game.
There's probably a way to get that flash game to work since I've played a few 15+ year old flash games using bottles after installing the right dependencies. The only games I haven't been able to run are epic games store shit that is also available on steam. For some reason transistor doesnt work and its impossible to find workarounds since nobody cares (because there's a native Linux version on other platforms).
I'll wait for a Switch 2, I've already got a PC
Ganker is it worth upgrading from the lcd 256gb deck?
Yes
I have a normal deck already. I would only consider buying another one if it had better hardware
>256GB refurbished is sold out
its over.
256gb lcd is the new base model. They'll be back in stock as refurbished.
64 and 512 are the ones being discontinued.
I probably will eventually but not for a few months.
Probably. HDR+OLED was the main thing missing from the Deck for me. 90hz sounds nice too.
absolutely, hoping I can get the limited edition before it sells out. and hoping 'ick on 'eck poster comes back with the new screen
no
Yes
That'll be an extra hour or more of game time for many games
More responsive touchscreen and trackpad will make desktop usage better
HDR and 90FPS where it can be used
Improved audio even though I didn't feel it was insufficient to begin with
Not stripping out the body and screws for when I transplant my current SSD and later do some other replacements
Should I buy one of these things or upgrade my PC's GPU? I'm still running a GTX 970 and new games are starting to really chug. However I only buy a new release one every 2-3 years, most shit I play are indies that are nowhere near as graphically intense.
That might depend on what the rest of your system is like. If your have a relatively capable CPU and RAM a GPU like a 6700 probably is a better buy, unless you find yourself really wanting the lean-back handheld experience.
If you need an all new system, and handheld gaming isn't a big draw, I'd probably buy an AMD barebones SFF machine with the full 12CU 680M.
Deck can be used for mouse and keyboard gaming, or TV gaming, but you do need a USB C Dock for that.
I get a lot of use out of my Deck for the kind of gaming you describe, but I also don't use it as my primary system. However, I did build my most recent machine with technical specs similar to, although much more powerful than, the Deck with the idea that RDNA2 will be supported well by Linux long-term. My previous AMD GPUs each lasted me 5+ years of gaming using the open source drivers.
>If your have a relatively capable CPU and RAM a GPU
I have an i9 and 32GB of RAM. The GPU is leftover from my old PC since I was looking to save money when I built it. Thanks for the well thought out advice.
>I'm still running a GTX 970
Bro, just fucking upgrade your GPU already. Get something that doesn't israelite you on vram.
Whats the issue with that, I have a gtx 760
Have there been any tests running games comparing the OG Deck and OLED Deck batteries?
There are some here and there, but I'd wait for GN to cover it since there are so many variables that affect batter life - HDR on/off, your general brightness setting, frame limiters, in-game FSR, etc.
pic rel is digital foundry so take it with a grain of salt
Is this was the Deckard was?
No "Deckard" was clearly VR hardware in the commits that referenced it.
This is the system that was referenced as Galileo / Sephiroth (SoC) in the Linux commits.
No.
800p is for console peasants.
Should I even try to buy one on the 16th? Think they will all get snatched up by bots or is it "print to demand" situation? If I miss out, how long will I have to wait to get one?
I doubt there will be a massive influx of sales, and they do already have sales figures to guesstimate what they'll need.
Definitely will not be as bad as last time according to Valve.
So how fast is the Limited Edition gonna sell out?
a few min. I'll be sure to grab mine.
Bots will get them all in the first few minutes
As fast as the Index did.
>early adopters acting like this is unprecedented
If it's really that big of a deal for you, just sell the one you have now and put that towards the new one. Just like any tech - or anything else in life, really.
Year of the Linux handheld!
I am torn.
On one hand, I get extremely autistic about the battery life and balancing the TDP with graphics settings and framerate, and I can see a ton of battery life improvements between the battery size increase, shrunken die, more power efficient display and lower thermals (which means less power going to the fan).
On the other hand, I don't give a fuck about oled and if I bought this one I would just constantly be worried about burn in in the back of my mind and end up doing stupid shit like forcing offsets on the display to change to keep the image from being still and huds from burning in.
>I would just constantly be worried about burn in
you can replace it
and a it'll be a lot easier this time around since you don't have to tear it down from the back side
>you can replace it
I shouldn't have to. oled is a stupid technology, and it's especially shit for games that have static ui elements
you'll have to replace the battery at some point too?
That's not analogous. There is no battery technology in regular consumer products that you don't have to eventually replace. All batteries degrade. Modern TN, LCD and IPS panels do not have this problem
nigga oled burn in hasn't been a problem for ages
The Switch OLED didn't get burn in until a youtuber left it on 100% brightness, static image for 3600 hours straight.
Worrying about burn in with normal use is a meme.
> worried about burn in
Why? that guy left his switch oled on for years at max brightness. It took 150 days or 3600 hours on exactly the same image to have even minute traces of burn in.
It's not fucking 2008 you stupid retarded naggers. Worrying about "burn in" is so stupid you should have a nice day for even thinking about it you third worlder
>Limited Edition only comes with etched screen that dulls OLED vibrancy.
Someone mentioned you can get a glossy screen protector in the last thread to fix this. Anyone have recommendations? Does the JSAUX """"HD Clarity""""" screen protector fit the bill?
>people buying screen protectors just to stick over the etched glass and prevent it from dissipating the light as its supposed to. What a fucking meme. Why does valve keep doing this?
Who are you quoting?
there was supposed to be a new line after the first sentence
I love the etched screen on my steam deck, I don't understand what people are complaining about. The reduction in glare is worth it for an intangible difference in color presentation.
We're not talking about the old Deck.
>an intangible difference
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hmm... in the different angle, you will notice the difference. Who will move the steamdeck like that crazy angle?
>puts it down while the screen protector is still covering half
>looks damn near identical
>reflections and discolouration from the screen protector on an angle
It's almost like he's saying "I want to not be able to play in a room with any sort of lighting" apart from the glow of the screen.
No. I ordered a discounted 64gb.
Maybe if I didn't already have a oled switch, but it is a sweet piece of kit
I wonder, how does the Deck's performance compare to my old PC? My old PC is a Ryzen 5 1600 with a RX580. I know the Deck uses newer RDNA2 architecture, but my old pc doesn't have the limited power and cooling constraints that a handheld has.
deck is around a ps4 level of performance normally
Nah. Peak performance maybe but it can't be sustained without better cooling and power delivery.
looks very nice. but ill wait for a Deck 2 OLED before upgrading from mine though.
Honestly how did this not leak? It comes out in 6 days, and production has to be massive.
White people are honest and don't spoil surprises.
No outsourcing. Valve doesn't cut corners.
Nobody pays attention to Linux gaming media. There were references to the updated SoC committed to the Linux kernel months ago.
Also pre-production probably hasn't been massive, when they set up the original Steam Deck production line the first few weeks was 10k a week, it wasn't until April that they hit the full 50k a week, and unlike consoles which often have a couple million ready to go at launch Deck is only now around 3 or 4 million lifetime.
I bet that they're doing the same thing with the new model. The units they're showing off are part of the first 20 or 30k units made. Only difference is they're going to sell more of those as the 'limited edition'.
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I'm not supporting a company in cahoots with the trannoid groomers.
What are you doing to increase the birth rates in your country?
Except Valve doesn't make games so the only thing these troons do for Valve are background lore for Dota and CS which are completely irrelevant in the scope of these games.
I have my regular Deck, it works fine for what I use it for and I don't see a reason to upgrade.
why did they go for orange accents instead of the usual steam blue
Yes
Ole deck? What's that like a Mexican steam deck?
Yeah, if I can get the limited edition. Otherwise, fuck off. I will wait for the sales.
Nah. I have a LCD model, and I'm not looking to upgrade until they shrink its form factor. I'd pay $800 for a pocketable Deck.
I'm in the same boat but I dont really see how they can shrink it significantly without removing the touchpads. I would settle for the same size but detachable controllers so its easier to pack into a bag.
Well maybe with this the resellers will low the prices of the original one.
Nah I'm getting a lenovo go shipped to me in asia
when are the homosexuals going to sell the joycons separately? i'm not into mobile shit but that mouse stick is fucking genius and i'm not buying a gayheld for it
Yes I'm gonna pick the OLED one.
I work at the workhouse these are shipped out of.
How many have you grabbed
None, I make the price of one in a day, I’m not risking my career to resale them or some shit. Security is also very good now, I’m not even sure how I would take one.
Thanks for your work.
Damn that's rad
You're a robot?
It's been hilarious seeing all the poorfags cope saying it's just a screen upgrade when basically every single aspect of the Deck has been improved somewhat.
It's basically now the product that Valve wanted to launch with.
it's basically the goydeck pro after valve lied and said there wouldn't be upgrades any time soon
yet when you point this out the steamgoys are very quick to say simultaneously "it was never EXPLICITLY promised akshually" and "the upgrades are not a big deal akshually"
you can't have your cake and eat it too goyim, the cake is a lie
>aid there wouldn't be upgrades any time soon
They said there wouldn't be a Steam Deck 2 any time soon. The existence of a minor Deck revision leaked months ago.
>it's basically the goydeck pro after valve lied and said there wouldn't be upgrades any time soon
no, they explicitly said they would be making a revision with a better screen and battery life and that is what they did
so the differences are a big deal or they aren't?
you can't have your cake and eat it too goyim
it's a lot of little differences that add up but the architecture is the same so the performance is roughly the same aside from a slight increase from faster memory. there are a lot of power efficiency improvements more than anything
in the same way you can't say the switch oled is the switch 2, you can't say the deck oled is the deck 2
Y u mad
they said they won't have a new soc for a few years
they didn't lie you stupid fuck, learn english you esl nagger
Do we know yet if the "steam profile bundle" and "exclusive virtual keyboard theme" for the premium model are different from the ones included with the old premium LCD model?
Yup. OLED makes a ton of game experiences that just wouldn't be fun on a POS LCD worth it. (classic Thief, Doom WADs, The Last of Us, Dark Souls, Metro, etc). Better controls and battery life is just a plus. I also can't wait to use it to stream 90hz HDR from my main PC for games like CP2077 or RDR2.
It'd be nice if there was a more convenient way to use a Deck as a controller that doesn't rely on steam remote play and raping my LAN bandwidth
look into usb over ip
I want to but it'll probably be scalped instantly on release and unavailable to normal people for months.
With the OG Deck they did a really good job of preventing people from scalping it, and it sounds like they'll have similar protections in place again this time.
I also have a feeling that the 'limited edition' isn't going to be very limited. If Valve gets enough orders, and it will probably be the most popular version of the OLED, they'll probably just make it the version they produce the most of.
I absolutely love my Deck. It and the Switch got me back into gaming. I haven't been playing it the past month because of work, but I've been playing it consistently the entire year. I'm seriously considering getting the oled and just giving the lcd to my brother.
I read that the anti-glare screen is actually detrimental to the picture quality. What's the deal with that?
This is just generally true of any glossy vs matte screen decision.
Glossy will always be better (higher contrast, better colours, etc) if glare isn't a concern.
Oof, imagine a business venture getting shot in the crib before it can even walk. Last I heard the Deck HD guys were in talks with Valve about working out the kinks of third party screen replacements with future Steam OS patches. Valve are snakes, lol.
It's still a viable product, especially with the refurbished models. A higher resolution screen is still lucrative.
>It's still a viable product
lol, you have to go through so many hoops to get it working, nevermind the total asspain of having to take apart on OG deck to do it, Valve streamlined the process immensely for the OLED.
>especially with the refurbished models.
The total price will probably be in spitting distance of the mid-tier OLED, probably more if you have to upgrade the internal SSD to at least 512gb, and if you're opening up the deck for a screen replacement, you might as well.
>A higher resolution screen is still lucrative.
Lol, games factually run worse on a higher resolution. Most people who have reviewed the OLED gushed about the contrast to the point they didn't stop to raise a stink about still being an 800p screen. The honest truth is that color and contrast are among the most noticeable and important aspects of a screen, and Valve nailed them with this screen. DeckHD fags on suicide watch. Frankly, every non-OLED handheld PC has been eviscerated by this announcement, because Valve now beats them at price-perf, user experience, Inputs, battery life, AND screen.
It would be nice if these guys can do an oled 720p drop in for the OG deck. I am an early adopter but honestly love my deck. If the difference performance wise is that minimal I can live with mine but a mod for the screen to match something like that would be nice plus. I already threw in a 2tb ssd.
Issue is the Steam deck uses 16:10 aspect ratio 800p screen, not a 16:9 720p screen like the Switch Oled, so you can't source the same screens as the Switch for a drop in replacement. Any company that wants to make an OLED replacement for OG would need to order a bespoke screen from a manufacturer, and it'd have to be at huge volumes to lower the price for consumers. A better bet is Valve making the OLED screen availabe for sale through their partners and someone making a mod with spacers to put it into the OG. Hopefully just flashing the OG deck with the OLED model fork of Steam OS would make it work, but if not OG owners are shit outta luck. All we can do is wait and see how Valve addresses third party screen replacement comparability, but my guess it's not high on their priority list.
> Valve says screen is easier to replace now and you dont have to dismantle the device to do it
> This somehow harms people selling screen replacements?
The screen is easier to replace on the OLED deck, but no one is going to want to replace the OLED screen except for another valve authorized OLED screen through ifixit or something. All the current screen replacements would be marketed toward the OG deck, which has a shity LCD panel and is a total bitch to dissasemble. It's fucking OVER for screen replacement sellers because for the average conumer it's less hassle to just to sell their current deck and buy an OLED to enjoy all the other improvements in construction and battery life. The final nail in the coffin is Valve creating a trade in program to source more parts for their old steam deck waranties, because presumably production of those will lower and stock will dry out.
>The final nail in the coffin is Valve creating a trade in program to source more parts for their old steam deck waranties
source?
God I hope so
I'll wait for the next gen version in a few years
on the topic of glass, I wish decks had gorilla glass, just for the peace of mind of it being really tough. I treat all of my non-smartphone devices with care like they're fragile. While I freely toss around my phone because it's basically indestructible.
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not reading all of that
If the battery increases is equivalent to the launch switch/ redbox, then I have a serious debate.
Definitely, but I'm not getting it but my friend will for me due to him loosing the bet and it'sbasically my birthday gift. God I love betting with thought
I really only want it for the better battery. I will have to wait to see how much of a difference it really makes. They say its 25% more? But my deck really only makes it 2 hours with most mid tier games I've tried, an extra half hour is probably not worth upgrading.
>So are you going to be picking up an OLEDeck?
nah I already have an original one, I'll wait for steam deck 2, or steam deck 2 oled if they really don't ship the next one with oled at launch.
>if they really don't ship the next one with oled at launch.
Give then project leads' answers to questions from Norm on Tested it seems likely they'll stick with OLED permanently
Oh good, it would be a shame for them to walk back on any of these improvements going forwards. I wonder if they can get an even higher nit screen next time, it's rather sunny where I live.
Specifically this is the part where they seems to be all in on OLED, though it is in the context of the interviewer clearly probing them on the potential of OLED for the unannounced Deckard VR headset
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I'm going to get a limited edition one
Nah, I only used mine docked
>sub 3 hour battery life still
no thank you, have a nice day.
I play some pixelshit games like Into the Breach and the Deck has much longer life than that.
If I'm flying around in No Man's Sky the battery is dead very quickly though.
It varies wildly depending on what you're playing.
Cyberpunk gets me like 1.5 hours and some emulation and other low power things I like can go all the way up to 6+ for me on the original deck.
i'm not buying a $800 machine to play indie pixelshit just so i can have halfway decent battery life in a 2023/4 handheld release lol.
I got the previous deck, maybe i should have waited, but to be fair I used my deck a lot
Dunno if skip this one and wait for the inevitable deck 2 with oled
It's going to be years until we get a worthwhile generational improvement in power efficiency
Maybe wait for a sale, or sell your LCD deck to some unknowing pawn shop or rando before OLED releases to maximize your value, and accept the loss as an exchange for the time you enjoyed the deck so far
Nope.
How rich are people to go "I got this niche vanity pc, but how about another with better display?"
I mean come on
>niche vanity pc
>From Valve's own statements it's sold a 'multiple millions,' so at minimum 2 million units total
some poors might buy it as their only pc and its cheap for that purpose
By all reports the current production line runs at 50k units a week which is 2.6 million units a year. So they should be closing in on 4 million units. If the new line also does 50k a week that makes it 5.2 million a year.
Amazing sales for a GNU/Linux PC, or even any single PC, but doesn't look great relative to consoles which is why Valve is a bit tight-lipped about it.
Lifetime sales Deck as the 3rd gen Steam Machine might hit Dreamcast (10 million) or Commodore 64 (15 million) level success.
Still pretty niche tbh.
It's less expensive than a console and more versatile, I could absolutely see someone poor getting a deck instead of a switch and a current gen console, or instead of a pc in general.
Does it have worse performance? Yes
But it's more versatile and can do a lot for the price.
I have as much fun playing games as min-maxing settings for battery life
If you do that for fun, then the power savings of OLED, the die shrink, larger battery within the same size/weight, are all very desirable things.
of course. i make way too much money not to blow on stupid shit.
I used to think that it was silly to watch videos on a tablet when I have a big screen television and a nice computer monitor.
But then I got a tablet and I found myself using it in bed or while on the toilet.
It's a similar thing with the Steam Deck, gaming on the toilet or in bed happens even when the PC is just a few steps away.
>kind of want to buy it because i like the form factor
>but i have a 1660 so it'd be smarter to buy a new pc for a few hundred more instead
maybe it's time to become a wagie so i don't have to pick and choose
Just wait for a deck 2.
Or yeah, get more money so you don't have to choose, the issue then is that you don't have the time or energy to take full advantage of it.
waiting for a deck 2 is probably the safer bet, yeah.
I don't care about the oled or the battery but being able to wake the device up with a bt controller is quite nice
t. mostly dockfag
I don't understand dockfags. Do you not also having a gaming pc?
I ran my steam deck mainly in dock for a few months, it's just nice when you're at home for a better screen.
I bought a deck because
1. I travel a lot for work
2. my only console is a PS3
but even then most of my gaming is done when I'm home. And if I'm home why would I not want to play on a big TV/monitor? I have one dock hooked up to a TV for controller couch gaming and another one connected to a PC monitor if I want to play kb/m games. Don't have to worry about battery life or fan noise so I can play more demanding games.
>Do you not also having a gaming pc?
nope
you're pretty much the target audience for the steam deck, somebody that wants a low-tier gaming PC that you can also take with you without needing a full desk setup
I don't wanna move my 30kg PC from room to room anytime I want to play a game on my TV
Yes. This man wipes his ass with my hundred dollar bills and I am an enabler.
Does it still have a loud fan? I love how quiet my Ally runs.
No, they improved the thermals and put in a bigger fan.
LCDcels will never recover.
no, I don't use my current steam deck enough to justify getting a new one. I'll wait for the real steam deck 2 in a few years instead.