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  1. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    What you're suggesting is extortion.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      At that point it's a bandit protection racket.

      OP is describing feudalism you fricking imbeciles

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Feudalism is extortion. You're a cuck if you suggest otherwise.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          You get bilked for far more of your hard-earned wealth in a modern nation-state with income taxes than you did under feudalism.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Incorrect

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Medieval peasants didn't even pay half of what we do today.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Know else they didn't have ?
                They didn't have paved roads
                They didn't have schools
                They didn't have a police force
                They didn't have hospitals and ambulances
                They didn't have access to impartial judges
                They didn't have the rule of law
                They didn't have reliable bridges
                They didn't have garbage collectors
                They didn't have clean drinking water piped into their homes
                They didn't have snow removal
                They didn't have public transit
                They didn't have public libraries
                They didn't have storm drains
                They didn't have all their waste water pumped out of their homes

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'd willingly give that away to go bacj to the days where we ran out the israelites out of towns and we didn't entertain the ridiculous notions of humans having inherent rights.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                What have the Romans ever done for us!

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            One form of government being extortion does not preclude another form of government from also being extortion. All government is criminal. Taxation is theft. Eat the rich.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Incorrect. A medieval peasant could expect to pay around 50% if his yearly earnings in various forms of taxes. I pay nowhere near that much.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Yes but a medieval peasant had a vastly smaller income compared to what the average modern wagie makes today. In absolute terms you're being taxed roughly the same. It's absolutely extortion but it's a very efficient means of concentrating power to respond to external threats while allowing for specialization.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              In the middle east it was about 20%, unless you’re not muslim then it was a bit higher.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >only a bit higher

                Id like to think this is the logical conclusion that monster-hunters should end up as local lords or at least local knights rather than wander around and not just bait.

                Our first game in 2e ended like that, but we were between level two and five

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Instead, a new type of tax was imposed starting in 1166, although it was not an annual tax. This was the tax on moveable property and income, and it could be imposed at varying rates. Likewise, the Saladin tithe, imposed in 1188 to raise funds for a proposed crusade by King Henry II, was levied at the rate of 10% of all goods and revenues, with some exceptions for a knight's horse and armor and clerical vestments. Also excluded were those who had pledged to go on crusade with the king.[13]

              Taxes were 10% and that was after hiking them to raise funds for a crusade.

              I pay around 40% in taxes, service tax + income tax

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                You're looking at a single tax. You're forgetting all the other taxes and not!taxes, including:
                >"The ninth" tax, also called decima, imposed on 10% of your harvested produce
                >The regal tax on houses/land plots of 1-3 florins annually
                >The census and munera, mandatory 'gifts' varying by the lord paid three times a year typically
                >labor 'servitum' taxes, where a certain number of days of labor was expected to be paid a year
                And this was all for vastly fewer services paid back to you in the government than what you get now.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's all extortion. You aren't making a point.
            >X system isn't bad because Y system has the same problems to a different degree.
            What?

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Now reflect on the difference between being the subject of a king, and being the citizen of a country.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Medieval farmers

              >Worked less hours
              >Paid lower taxes
              >Paid lower rent
              >Had a completely local governement that represented their town and had power to pass laws

              The only thing we have better now is technology makes our lives easier, but that has nothing to do with how shitty and bloated our government and finance sector has become

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Now reflect on the difference between being the subject of a king, and being the citizen of a country.
              Nothing. The only difference is that the head of the bureaucracy (bureaucracy which is identical and the only government you'll ever interact with) is a group instead of an individual.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Now reflect on the difference between being the subject of a king, and being the citizen of a country.
              There is no difference, not least because I live in a monarchy.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Sure it is, but most (if not all) forms of government are. Do you have some idea of one that isn't?

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Do you have some idea of one that isn't?
            Feudalism, but with volunteered contracts and peasants able to fire the local lord if they judge their service subpar

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            You get bilked for far more of your hard-earned wealth in a modern nation-state with income taxes than you did under feudalism.

            At that point it's a bandit protection racket.

            What you're suggesting is extortion.

            Now say "Taxation is theft", you gods damned NPC wojak archetype.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Taxation is unironically theft.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                No, it's the local strongman's sacred right to take a share of your treasure to fund his fiefdom.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Absolutely.... if I want access to functioning roads, reasonably priced medicine, a fire fighting service, city events...

                I suppose if I didn't, then I could build myself a nice log cabin far from civilization and just not partake of those things, right?
                Where's your log cabin?

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Bow down and agree with the government, main stream media and academia or you are and NPC!
              >praisethecathedral.exe

              Taxation is unironically theft.

              technically it's either robbery or extortion

              Absolutely.... if I want access to functioning roads, reasonably priced medicine, a fire fighting service, city events...

              I suppose if I didn't, then I could build myself a nice log cabin far from civilization and just not partake of those things, right?
              Where's your log cabin?

              >functioning roads
              the better roads are maintained by private companies or by the groups that need that road to better function
              the first type will charge a toll only when you are using their infra-structure and the second may or may not charge , and again only when you choose to use their structure

              >reasonably priced medicine
              prices are high due government regulations and enforced monopolies

              >fire fighting service
              you can voluntarily pay directly for them instead of waiting the money drip through layers of middle mangers and bureaucrats

              >city events
              private groups and non-profits throw events very often, you don't need the local mafia to do it

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                If you ran a country this way the states would invent it all again and the feds would be unable to stop them reimplementing it. And if you banned it on a state level the local government would reinvent it. And if you banned it on a local level then no one would live in the rural areas where it’s too expensive to provide cost-effective service and you would need a state-sized bureaucracy and armed force to enforce the libertarian principles at gunpoint, at which point you’ve cycled to less than the original system was worth because they provided services for the tax money and not spent it on enforcing no service.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >If you ran a country
                no country or state should exist, they are all illegitimate mafias and even if you insist in having them you don't need a giant bureaucracy to just have those be rule as unconstitutional, in fact you need a giant bureaucracy and armed force to impose those things and tax people(they using it or not)

                >no one would live in the rural areas where it’s too expensive to provide cost-effective service
                yeah because people in rural areas would have no interest in having services nor would anyone offering to supply their demand, that's why there no private business in rural areas and small towns, all is offered by the state
                even if we accept this moronic take, what the problem ?

                > they provided services for the tax money
                if people wanted and needed the service they would hire it without the state, no parasitic middle man is needed

                >"choosing" to use roads
                >unregulated medicine
                >"voluntarily" paying the fire department
                You're so fricked if you don't cough up it might as well be illegal. I never thought I would say these words, but the government is streamlining it.
                Pretty much the only thing I agree with is that there are enforced monopolies.

                >>"choosing" to use roads
                yes, or you use all roads in the state and there is ever only one road to every destination

                medicine
                because you are incapable of choosing a doctor or checking the quality of his service, also check all the regulations involved in open and expanding hospitals

                >>"voluntarily" paying the fire department
                yes, if pay the ones you use the service or you thing that should exist only one ? or you think people should be forced to have fire insurance ?

                you have no arguments, only personal attacks and statist b***hing

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >or you think people should be forced to have fire insurance ?
                Well, yeah. You can't just wait to get insurance until your house is already on fire.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                You take the risk of not having insurance

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >"choosing" to use roads
                >unregulated medicine
                >"voluntarily" paying the fire department
                You're so fricked if you don't cough up it might as well be illegal. I never thought I would say these words, but the government is streamlining it.
                Pretty much the only thing I agree with is that there are enforced monopolies.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >the better roads are maintained by private companies or by the groups that need that road to better function
                In what country? Is this an American thing? Frick, your country's a joke.

                >the first type will charge a toll only when you are using their infra-structure and the second may or may not charge , and again only when you choose to use their structure
                That's sort of like "tipping", isn't it? No, that's clearly a YOU problem, you and whatever shithole you inhabit.

                >prices are high due government regulations and enforced monopolies
                Unless they're extremely cheap, because a modicum of tax money goes to NOT having an entire medical system privatized by demented corpos. Also, I generally get a big share of that money back in tax season. You people have to pay money during that, don't you? That's weird.

                >you can voluntarily pay directly for them instead of waiting the money drip through layers of middle mangers and bureaucrats
                OR you pay a small amount to taxes and then they're bought and payed for by everyone. Why in the name of satan's taint do you want private corporations to own your emergency services? is this an Elon Musk fetish?

                >private groups and non-profits throw events very often, you don't need the local mafia to do it.
                Who's maintaining the parks and public venues they're held at? Wait, wait, i'm understanding this song and dance now: corporate land and corporate buildings.

                How is it better to give everything to a fricking corporate body than to lose a fraction of a paycheck to a government that gives it back later anyway?

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Is this an American thing?
                Yes. The toll road system in my city has better maintained roads than the federal, state, and local government funded ones. It includes free towing for broken down vehicles, and up to 1 gallon of gas per month if you run out of fuel while driving. However, the initial road construction was still paid by taxes.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >"choosing" to use roads
                >unregulated medicine
                >"voluntarily" paying the fire department
                You're so fricked if you don't cough up it might as well be illegal. I never thought I would say these words, but the government is streamlining it.
                Pretty much the only thing I agree with is that there are enforced monopolies.

                The monopolies in capitalist healthcare are created and maintained by capitalist voters. It's a solvable problem which the rest of the developed world has already solved. America is such a joke.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >He still thinks votes matter
                Refreshingly innocent

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Votes matter. It's just you idiot try to justifying yourself and not to admit that all the problems in your country are because of you and amoebas like you.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >All major parties agree on importing a city's worth of immigrants a year
                >Public services and roads are overburdened
                >Massive housing bubble
                >Anti-immigrant party appears
                >All other parties ally against it
                >Major financiers refuse to support it
                >Television media constantly propagandizes against it
                >It constantly gets harassed by cops and firebombed by leftists
                >Still slowly climbs in support
                >Government bans it because it is "violent" for no discernable reason, despite having their headquarters literally firebombed, yet no other parties are banned for being violent
                "Our democracy" is not your democracy, it is the democracy of a small group of democracy-makers who determine who gets funding, who gets favorable coverage, who is peaceful and who is violent, who is free and who is banned

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >moron did not understand that the reason for the existence of such a system is his passivity and the passivity of pigs like him
                What can I say - you are burger who is used to everything working without effort, idiots like you can't even imagine how to create a party from 0 if none of the existing ones suit you. All you want is your participation to be limited to drunken voting once every 5 years. Guess what, you already have it, you yourself described the result. So shut up and understand that EFFECTIVE participation in the country's politics is more difficult and complicated than sitting on the sofa, drinking beer and choosing from candidates that the oligarchs put forward, yes, such democracy will never be functional.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >votes matter because you can violently protest when they don't work
                Lol

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                This also, look the history of labor unions. But before resorting to violence, you, degenerate, could first try to get your ass off the couch and start looking for candidates yourself, instead of complaining that the list shoved under your pig's nose contains only people who are beneficial to whoever made the list. And you could try to communicate with other people to form a percentage of people that has weight when voting, but I already understood that this will not happen in Murica, because burgers are stupid and lazy, and they can only complain sitting on the sofa instead of doing something.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >try to communicate with other people
                You lost me

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >voting is a collective act
                >therefore, in order for the collective to vote as you want, you need to convince this collective
                >to convince you need to communicate
                >You lost me
                Typical apolitical idiot.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Your words have no value, yet they keep spewing out.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                What's the matter, moron, upset that people call out your laziness, which you try to pass off as intelligence and coolness? Cry me a river, your choice to do nothing doesn't make you a cool cynic, all it does is make you a whining lazy pig on the couch who doing nothing to improve his situation. A typical pig in a barn.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                NTA, but oh my god frick off already you obnoxious pseudointellectual autist

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                It's called a real life, moron. Get out of the house and touch the grass.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Touch grass
                Yeah go back homosexual.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                stay mad until the day you die and then a little after

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Oh look, small, obedient slave who will never challenge the status quo and brags about it trow a tantrum when I pointed out that it doesn't make him smart, it makes him worthless. Stay angry you obedient pig.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >stay mad
                >n-no you stay mad!!!
                Creative

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                There's no point in being creative when you're dealing with a dumb pig. But judging by your humble tone, I can see that my words had a result and now you are no longer trying to pretend to be cool, now you are trying to shift the conversation to my personality. Which shows that I'm right, that everyone who declares "olololol, voting doesn't matter" is nothing but dumb pigs who tries to pass off their laziness and cowardice as coolness.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                I love how this tard posts a wall of text filled with autistic delusions of grandeur in response to one-word answers

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                The US education system. Three sentences is a wall of text.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Show us on the map where America liberated your country

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >everyone who declares "olololol, voting doesn't matter" is nothing but dumb pigs who tries to pass off their laziness and cowardice as coolness.
                It can be scientifically proven that voting doesn't matter btw

                See

                It's a good thing votes don't matter or idiots like you might actually influence current events.

                https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-politics/article/testing-theories-of-american-politics-elites-interest-groups-and-average-citizens/62327F513959D0A304D4893B382B992B

                >Multivariate analysis indicates that economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on U.S. government policy, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little or no independent influence. The results provide substantial support for theories of Economic-Elite Domination and for theories of Biased Pluralism, but not for theories of Majoritarian Electoral Democracy or Majoritarian Pluralism.

                The wishes of the public have literally no impact on government policy in a so-called democracy

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Pleb.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                It's a good thing votes don't matter or idiots like you might actually influence current events.

                https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-politics/article/testing-theories-of-american-politics-elites-interest-groups-and-average-citizens/62327F513959D0A304D4893B382B992B

                >Multivariate analysis indicates that economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on U.S. government policy, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little or no independent influence. The results provide substantial support for theories of Economic-Elite Domination and for theories of Biased Pluralism, but not for theories of Majoritarian Electoral Democracy or Majoritarian Pluralism.

                The wishes of the public have literally no impact on government policy in a so-called democracy

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >America
                >developed

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Praisethecathedral.exe

                Frick off, Neoreactionary cuck.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Like he said, extortion.

          that is called the state

          You'd best start believing in Neo-Fuedalism, miss swan, because you're IN ONE.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          All forms of government and taxation are extortion, you idiot. It's a gang with power milking those beneath them for their own benifit. Some give the illusion of answering to those they milk, others are more honest and don't.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Like he said, extortion.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        that is called the state

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, a bandit protection racket.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >taxation is the—ACK!
      >ends up nailed to a piece of wood while bandits mercilessly plow his wife and daughters
      Shoulda paid up taxpiggy, somebody's taking that surplus grain at the end of the day.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why are they hunting these warbands?
      Under who's authority?
      What this anon says is right
      As what has already been said they may be working for someone already meaning they should not turn to extortion,
      The scenario in question sounds more like they want to go rogue

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why does every lolbertariam moron immediately imagine themselves as the farmers instead of the lords?

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Because nearly everyone in feudal times farmed, because most westerners descend from farmers if you go back a few generations, and thus because dominating people through brute strength and living parasitically off of them seems wrong to most people. Also he's not a lolbert Black person he's (going by the picrel) a nazi, this isn't about fricking taxation, feudal extortion and aristocratic rule can't just be compared to a modern state serving the interest of the people.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Anyone with the slightest chance of ruling over anything doesn't post on Ganker.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Most of them today wouldn't want to extort people either.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Everybody wants to extort. Extort, rob, murder, rape and abuse. It's the besr thing in the world.
            What they don't want to do is get caught.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              I do think everyone is petty and evil. But you think everyone is cartoonishly evil. You're wrong. Almost no one has the guts to act against their own immediate sense of pity like that.
              That's why we have sophisticated, remote systems of exploitation. It has to be widespread and invisible to be sustainable. Most people hate the very idea of robbery, murder, rape and all that, let alone the sight of it.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Most people hate the very idea of robbery, murder, rape and all that
                Most people are NPC golems, I know.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >What you're suggesting is extortion.
      Ja soldat, zis would be ze basic gist of ze matter.

  2. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    At that point it's a bandit protection racket.

  3. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Is there a point to this thread? Did you make it for a reason? It doesn't even seem like bait or a shitpost or anything

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Id like to think this is the logical conclusion that monster-hunters should end up as local lords or at least local knights rather than wander around and not just bait.

  4. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Back in the day attracting followers and acquiring a domain was a main and expected part of the game once characters went above 9th/10th level, either by conquest, grant by a noble patron or by being the first settling unclaimed land and protecting it
    Being a high level wanderer character without a domain or a entourage of followers and apprentices was the exception not the rule like today

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      I don't understand why this went away

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        WotC would rather write 17th level adventures about players fighting street gangs than actually doing the effort required to recognise 10th level characters as supreme peers of the realm

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        They wanted the experience to focus around being wandering murderhobos

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        It should be brought back. Like in a /tg/ custom made book

        Gary’s Conquest of Everything

  5. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    One thing I've never really understood from anarchists.
    Whats your actual answer to agents of the state just, y'know, shooting you all? Beyond whimpering that it's an illegitimate use of force?

    Like, people in this thread can argue about 'muh markets' vs 'muh services' all they want. That's got frick all to do with it. The state is the monopolizer of violence. Do you actually have a plan to compete with that that isn't some moron shit like 'privately and voluntarily funding an army,' as if that won't put you back at statism in fifty years?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      You're putting more thought into this than the anarchists themselves do

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Anarchy and Authoritarianism are both extremes, and they're both dogshit as a result. You want a limited government that fears its citizenry and handles things like roads, healthcare, etc that are on a level beyond the individual to reasonably deal with but you want enough freedom to give the individual citizen all of their basic human rights as well as any other rights the citizenry decides it wants.

      Unfortunately, power corrupts and so even the most well-meaning politicians eventually become self-serving scumbags. it's why Jackson said that from time to time the tree of liberty needs to be watered with blood. The tree of liberty in America is long overdue for a watering.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      see the split of the Soviet Union if you think military force is enough to hold together a nation.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      The most practical answer is probably the use of soft power through syndicalism. For collective organizations where each member holds an equal share and an equal vote. These can be clubs, community groups, militias and (most importantly) businesses. These groups do what they can to keep themselves running, work out the kinks in cooperative systems and then attempt to grow.

      From there act as an incestuous network of co-ops scratching each other's backs, using collective pressure to warp policy to your needs on a local level. The key is of course networking and collective action. The other key is a lot of advertising of working benefits and control to poach talent and encourage others to create similar organizations.
      On the political end, groups that always appear at town hall meetings. Federal elections are a racket for the rich but municipal elections leave enough room for local action to have an effect. Take over through constant, active, collective action.
      Effectively anarchy needs to behave like a chestburster. instead of killing first and building latter, it builds as way of attack.
      Of course that's a massive oversimplification but that's the sanest answer anyway.

      The uniting goal behind all these actions is to establish modular, bottom up institutions. Each institution is owned by those that participate in it. Tax is paid to each institution a person wishes to use. The government itself would effectively be a collection of regional councils stacked on top of each other. It's main purpose being to act as a middleman between organizations. In every case smaller organizations elect representatives (that can be vetoed and recalled by thier constituents at any time) to form larger organizations. These macro syndicates still only retain legal power of regions represented within them.
      The military, likewise, would be local militias stacked into regions, stacked into a state defense force.

      And yeah, all this does still look like government

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        That works for Ocean Spray cranberry juice because it's run by intelligent, disciplined men with generational wealth and an existential stake in their continued success. Applying syndicalist ideology to the entire population, a random spread of people of all varieties of intelligence, impulsivity, and in-group bias, is a doomed endeavour. The difficulty is that it requires a high quality of ethical individuals. If the population's genetics are improved to produce healthy, smart, and low time preference individuals and the culture changed so that they all perceive themselves as being in the same in-group, it would work wonderfully. Unfortunately, anything like that happening without mass-violence is a pipedream.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      I'm something of a fairweatheer anarcho primitivist myself. My answer to the agents of the state (provided it's a lovely day outside) would be to take off my clothes, cover myself in woad, beat my chest, scream and try to brain them with a sharp rock.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      For me it's engineering a virus that spreads through contact with currency, making it worthless and collapsing the state and removing anyone attempting to form a new one as they die out from disease and can't rely on financial papers for trade.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >For me it's engineering a virus that spreads through contact with currency
        [laughs in electronic banking]

  6. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    HE WAS THINKING! HE'S A WITCH, GET HIM!

    • 10 months ago
      Sean

      Ee wuz dhinkin! Ees uh witch! Get eem!

  7. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Taxation is the only thing it gives money any value. They create the supply of money and the demand for money. Without it, you would be trading with seashells picked on the beach.

  8. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    This is how you go from useful mercenaries to potential threat in the eyes of the local governors. Thus you'll either get pushed out or subsumed, depending on how much they like you. Expect a threatening message or a letters patent imminently.
    If there are no local governors, then congratulations, you've just founded a country. Better start reading up on governance and diplomacy.

  9. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Wasn't this basically the D&D fighter's end game before it was fricked off?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      In AD&D fighters were given titles and better social standing as you leveled. You eventually got a sizable piece of land and a garrison of men at arms. Barbarians were my favorite because you got access to larger bands of barbarians as you leveled until you basically had a large army.

  10. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >statecucks; the thread

  11. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    At last you finally understand

  12. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Have you tried playing AD&D?

  13. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >a portion of their annual income in exchange for our continued protection?
    Frick you in the noseholes daft c**t! I want coin! You know what the village's "income" is? Goats! Carrots! Lentils! Bloody lentils with bits of dirt! You not getting any coin, any medicine, any steel out of them. Not even a proper oxen with horns. You get mangy hunting dogs and have to go and hunt to have meat and leather and sell that to foreigners smelling weird to get silver bullion to melt in coin.

    Too much work! Too little fighting! I want to kill those needle-frogs smelling like rotten meat and get paid for it. That's it! Then I can pay my favorite prostitute, smelling like lilacs and fresh butter, all night along!

  14. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    You do that shit, that's when all the Level 16 Lawful Good NPCs with epic powers start showing up. Too busy to deal with the goblins making life hard for the villagers but definitely going to show up if you threaten their racket.

  15. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Ve half been doing zat already Gruber.
    >Za locals pey uz a tax, vitch ve uze to repair our armz unt armour, alongzide zome spending monii.
    >G-Gruber. Vhere do you zink I gott ziz new armour from?

  16. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Giant walls of text from one autist versus
    Wow a whole FOUR sentences! Crazy! Unreadable! Mutts are so pathetic.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      I want to frame this thread and hang it up on my wall as an art form. Never before have I seen one poster so oblivious to the fact that he's gobbling up troll bait like... well, like a pig.

  17. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >"Well there friend I think what you have in mind is good for us but really isn't good in the long sense. These scattered farmers aren't really scattered they are here to feed the cities far from here. We're stronger than them, yes, but we rather be using our strength to take on these monstrous warbands instead of being in one small area which we might get the attention of the king and his army which is twice if not more the size of our own. Rather I suggest once this is all over in let's say half a year we ask for land for ourselves so we could do that plan, yeah? We would be actual local lords instead of bandits taking extortion. "

  18. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I thought we were all into libertarianism for the child sex. What's with all this word salad?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >3dpd
      They are real thus not worth the time and effort

  19. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >All these closet monarchists in the thread
    I don't understand why anarchists think that we can't tell they just want kings to arise from the ashes.
    "I-i just don't like taxation" they say, as they collect their silverware into a possible royal regalia and look to their neighbor's pools for noble conquest.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Kings, present or future, do not post on Ganker.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        I don't think they'd -succeed-, but this is the obvious endgame of any anarchist that isn't an idiot.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      I'm honestly starting to support the return of feudalism.
      At least under feudalism it's clear who's responsible for what, and who's head goes in the noose when you're mad.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        I'm curious about a return to monarchy with the stipulation that the monarch must parade through the streets of their country once per year with no security.

  20. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Well done Player 3! You have suddenly realised how most baronies, kingdoms and empires are created! (digs out the territory and castle building rules in the 1st ed AD&D DM's guide)

  21. 10 months ago
    Anonymous
  22. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    One setting I have on the back burner is kinda related. Basically building off hunting being the sport of kings.

    Monsters are a known and recurring threat. They are also a supply of useful resources. Actually wiping out the troll population in an estate isn't really feasible, nor a profitable idea long term.

    So nobles regularly go hunting for monsters. Culling populations of monsters that are growing too numerous. This protects their estates, while also keeping the military forces sharp. The steady stream of magic item components is a good bonus.

    The party would be the retinue of some Lord newly appointed to a run down estate. The previous owner got caught up in a civil conflict, and died on the wrong side. So now it has been a while, and the monster populations are all out of control.

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