So now that we know Valve is going to be aggressively revising the Deck in price, functionality and performance over time, what does that mean for the Switch 2? Will Nintendo have to not take their $100-$150 profit on every system sold now? Is Nintendo going to have to actually compete instead of taking its consumers and the handheld space for granted? Is Valve going to gradually eat Nintendo's lunch with death by a thousand cuts?
I bet switch 2 shits and flops
>This item is not available in your country
VALVVVVVVVVVVVVVVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
This is one of the biggest issue barring its success. Especially not selling it to china which has been a huge boon for the switch. No matter how good it is it's going to struggle until they start actually marketing it, getting it into retailers and selling it in more countries.
>This item is not available in your country
This is why Nintendo aren't going to care about the Steam Deck. Why care about a product where the developer either isn't able to or (more likely) can't be fucked releasing it in more than eight markets. You release your system everywhere and between the people in those eight markets who are going to buy your product regardless, and literally everyone else on the planet, you're going to end up with the bigger install base.
Nintendo will continue making money hand over fist with their first parties while each Deck revision sells 5 million tops every 3 years. Sweet Baby should be happy with the extra tithes though.
What would sweet baby even do to valve? They don't make games
More lgbt sales, more rejected jap games and another alyx spinoff to finally replace gordon for good
>More lgbt sales
That's not what sweet baby does. You send in game scripts and they tell you to niggafy it
wrong, they have people on positions of real legal power
>pic
that's exactly what I said
What legal power? Valve is still a private company, last I checked.
They do general consultation too, meaning consultation on how much your sale panders. You don't need to cover for Valve this hard.
>image spam
Alright you're a nagger, get the fuck out
Seethe more, sweet baby shill.
I might be remembering wrong, because it's been a while since I played Alyx.
But I'm 90% sure they're falsely labeling Valve as a client, which wouldn't even be unusual for a consulting firm.
hahahahaha
The most valve ever does is advertise a sale for those types of games. They stay out of those issues and instead just give their employees bonuses to support whatever cause they want.
They probably just consulted to look over how to design that sale theme and not trigger anybody.
Yeah sure they also just scramble for any reasons to ban japanese games while they are at it.
Remove the e-bois and there would be no issues 🙂
lol
Ryza is on steam
Maitetsu and monobeno are on steam because they removed the naked e-bois from the steam version
Goyhorny is a mouthful, while I get the spirit of the word I'd never use it in a sentence for being too long to underline a point
it's also a reference to their fucking dogshit "horny jail" meme
not like goyporn or some shit is that different either, the concept gets across
most words that are supposed to have that "smack" in rhetoric are one or two syllables, or three if it rolls nicely. Like coomer or chud or incel. Goyporn would suffice.
reminder that will do nothing, it will only give the trannies even more reason to move onto the next thing and then the next and so on
they will remain xenophobes regardless and will still continue trying to kill japanese media whenever they can
This is probably it. Just
>how do we get the fags to buy more shit?
Yeah no, consultants don't organize sales.
That's literally not how this works.
Hell that LGBTQ+ sale was organized by a bunch of homosexual devs that paid to have the event.
>diversity at valve A+
But that's not what that extremely white and extremely male youtuber said
They designed and planned their LGBT outreach programs. They don't do like full take over as a PR firm like other places, Valve just sort of delegates the stuff to appease gay people to them so they don't have to worry about liability.
you think Japan will protect you from gay retards? Its only a matter of time
I'm not dumb enough to think Japan is somehow unaffected by progressive influence but Nintendo are clearly resisting better than most
Even 5 million is a stretch. Deck sales are so shit that Valve will only say they've sold "multiple millions" which might as well be 3M total.
Switch sells more units in a single quarter of its 7th year than Deck has ever sold in its entire lifetime.
Easiest way to keep an eye on Steam Deck sales is paying attention to their steam survey, especially the linux section. Deck gets identified as Steam ISO Holo.
It's more useful to pay attention to the AMD Custom APU 0405 number to estimate how many deck users total there are.
Doesn't the survey only count the main pc?
The thing is that it really does not fucking matter how many they're selling as long as they're breaking even. Valve makes money automatically from anything that uses their platform, and if you game on PC, you use their platform.
>and if you game on PC, you use their platform.
Nope.
If a game I want isn't on PC outside steam I'm buying it on the switch.
If it's not on the switch I'm pirating it.
Plain and simple.
Fuck the israelites at valve, I hope they burn and die.
Nobody asked you, tendie.
Fuck yes
Kinda weird that being transparent isn't listed in there.
nintendo knows that they'll get carried by exclusives and nothing else
It means we can laugh at the retards who bought the first steam deck and claimed it wouldn't get revisions.
Can't you just replace your current steam deck's screen with an OLED screen and put in a new battery if it really makes all that much of a difference without having to spend $650 for a whole nother new steam deck? I won't be surprised if third parties do this.
Valve already works with ifixit for replacement parts so if the form factor and interals aren't changed upgrading should be doable
>Is Nintendo going to have to actually compete instead of taking its consumers and the handheld space for granted?
The deck is a niche device & a sizable amount of people never detach their switch from the tv which means the switch is hitting two markets at once & it’s nintendo. Nobody competes with them now they're in such a unique space let alone this.
Steam deck will cost $550 and won't even get a performance upgrade, but tendies believe Switch 2 will be as strong as PS5/series X hahahhahaha
>Steam deck will cost $550
That's for the newest one, but they're dropping the prices on all the other models by hundreds of dollars. You can get an officially refurbished deck for cheaper than a switch at this point.
No, there's the Switch Lite now released with Animal Crossing (and probably a Wonder bundle this Xmas) for $199 you can buy in stores, the "new" OLED Deck is USA exclusive and at least $500 and requires a Steam account just to buy it.
The Switch 2 would have to be at least $700 for (tech savvy) parents to even consider buying the cheaper NSFW option that doesn't have Nintendo games.
>the "new" OLED Deck is USA exclusive
Where'd you see that?
Not that anon but
Literally on the store page it says USA and Canada only
That's the limited edition.
Nintendo used to have 2 eco systems and t hey're down to 1. They will be down to 0 eventually. There's a reason they're making films, they're planning their exit strategy from the hardware space. They'll just be an IP owner eventually, which is what they really should be. They make garbage hardware and should focus on making games
That's a stupid argument cause Sony also used to have 2 eco systems? Are they gonna leave the Co sole space as well?
Sony didn't pioneer the ecosystem that it was forced out of
Your right Sony has never been a pioneer in anything
Yeah and instead it moved into one of the most profitable ones. Any idiot who thinks Nintendo is going to go 3rd party becouse of the steam deck deserves to be mocked
Switch 2 will be around $400 is my guess
and judging by the leaked specs, this could either be the first time they sell at a loss, or around equal to the price. They might be selling at a net loss per console at first, then bounce back into selling at a profit a year later like sony did with ps5
With the way inflation has hit, Switch 2 will either be a total turd, priced at a loss, or $500 or more
IIRC Wii U had to be priced with 1 game sale to not be considered a loss at launch
>Switch 2 will be around $400 is my guess
If the rumors have any truth to them I expect them to be eating a sizeable loss at $400. Not sure how Nintendo is grappling with this, it's not so easy to update a handheld for a reasonable price and still make a profit off it. It's likely a big reason why they still haven't even announced it yet and they're going to want to milk the switch for as long as possible.
They haven't announced it becouse the switch sells 15 million a year anon. No reason to jump ship when your current product is still selling like hotcakes.
Have two models
>entry model is $399, has LCD screen, no backwards compatibility, and only 64GB of storage
>deluxe model is $499, has OLED screen, included backwards compatibility, and 256GB of storage
Which would basically be what Valve is doing with Deck
anyone expecting nintend to sell hardware at a loss is on weapons grade copium
they are the israelites of the games industry
It just makes sense though. They're selling at a profit, and now are at 130 million consoles sold. They don't need to sell at a loss because their price point is something customers are willing to pay. If people wouldn't get it at that price, THEN there'd be reason to lower it.
I would obviously prefer selling at a loss as a customer, but if I was running a business myself, it'd be stupid as hell when you don't need to.
exactly
3DS was originally sold at a profit as well
they only cut the price into loss territory because they realised they were gonna have the entire hardware line fail if they didnt
no such drastic measures were necessary with the switch as was clearly demonstrated
No matter how much Ganker wants to meme it, the Switch and Deck aren't competitors.
They don't have a 100% overlap in terms of demographic, as obviously there are a lot of drones who will only ever buy Nintendo, but you are deluding yourself if you think there isn't some market share at risk. Nintendo's primary competitor is mobile, however, especially in Japan where more and more people are settling with their phones for their outside gameplay needs instead of having to haul around an extra device, and the mobile ecosystem there is quite a bit more robust
Deck has more of a western, growing niche appeal factor
>Nintendos primary competitor is mobile
Is this the early fucking 2010s again?
>Deck has more of a western, growing niche appeal factor
Operative word being niche there, the switch probably outsells the decks lifetime sales every quarter. The reason people buy Nintendo consoles is for the Nintendo games. 80% of their game sales are first party.
>Is this the early fucking 2010s again?
No? Mobile is orders of magnitude bigger than it was 10 years ago and it's not stopping here. You have no idea what the gaming market looks like in Japan, either.
I can't tell what the console market looks like and it's 100k switches this week.
This is 100% true anon as stated in their investor report
Yeah for retards into Gacha shit.
This, tendies are like the fifa players buying ps5 for the same slops
>The reason people buy Nintendo consoles is for the Nintendo games. 80% of their game sales are first party.
lol
lmao even
not even if you count monolith and FE games as first party games
nta, but the top 22 selling Switch games are all published by Nintendo, starting at 57 million sold (Mario Kart 8 Deluxe) to 8.42 million (Super Mario Maker 2).
Capcom has #23 with Monster Hunter Rise (7.7 million), followed by 2 nintendo games, followed by Minecraft, then 7 more nintendo games.
The vast majority is Nintendo games.
>The reason people buy Nintendo consoles is for the Nintendo games
They bought it for the portability as the only handheld option, and then bought Nintendo games. Nintendo games did not save Nintendo's consoles. Hardware sells the software.
The switched launched with one of the highest rated games in BOTW anon, at one point t that game was selling more copies then the switch.
Because people wanted the switch. If botw had been a wii u exclusive like originally planned it would've sold 5 million, just like all the other wii u games that sold a fraction of what those same games sold on the switch.
If you wanted to game on mobile there wasnt much options besides switch before SD and its imitators came out
the irony is the deck existing is the best security nintendo can hope for against hacking their hardware
people used to hack nintendo handhelds precisely cos as a savvy user, you wanted that extra control out of your hardware and the alternative handheld didnt exist
since the deck exists and it plays switch games and is more moddable and customizable whats even the point
>whats even the point
To preserve and emulate the games. People will be trying to rip the switch 2 wide open to get to the games, the deck's existence will have little to do with that.
>preserve
That excuse is always funny to me. Like Nintendo is some small indie studio that's going to disappear tomorrow due to bankruptcy, just admit your a cheapskate who doesn't want to pay for games.
Nah fuck you and fuck your stockholm syndrome. If Nintendo had their way they'd take a torch to nearly every game on their older systems so they could just rerelease them for full price. The can seethe into the sun over emulation and they deserve to.
>Fuck you
Struck a nerve cheapskate? Nintendo systems have all been backwards compatible with the exception of the switch which can't be for obvious reasons.
>which can't be for obvious reasons
It can be, with an actual permanent account system that tied all your games to it which they could've set up and kept ages ago, nintendo just wanted you to suck their dick and pay for it.
They have an account system now anon. Are you going to stop pirating their games?
No, because I don't trust them further than I can throw them, they already screwed me over. They had an account system all set up before too, particularly for digital games, and they still left those to die on antiquated hardware instead of allowing you to transfer them. PC is so much better in every way it's not even funny.
>No becouse I'm to cheap
Okay good to know
>yes, pay up goyim
indeed steamgoy, buy up the new goydeck and a few replacement screens while you're at it
or rather don't, just buy the goydeck pro when it releases in a year
t. Tendie seething
Literally the only reason they aren't at the moment is because valve isn't marketing the deck practically at all or trying to get it into retailers. But judging by what valve is doing with it, it is going to keep eating into that handheld space. Nintendo cannot compete with how easily and aggressively valve can update it. Every update to proton and steamos will benefit every single deck, valve does not have to worry about the risk or limitations of console generations, the system will only ever keep getting better and more compatible.
In reality the switch outsells the decks lifetimes sales in a quarter. The deck and switch aren't competing for the same audience
highest IQ post in this thread
They do completely different fucking things
At least until people got switch emulators working on deck at 100% speed
Anon emulators have been working on the deck for a while and still the switch outsells the fucking deck. Most people don't emulate nor do they want to
u completely missed the point
they dont compete cos they are targeting two different demographics, normies and power users
I don't think power users are bothering with a portable version of something they can already play on their PC. It's specifically die hard gaming hobbyists who want a neat new gadget.
That's the joke.
Actual power users are just throwing together a system with a 4090 or 7900xtx (or even just middle of the line GPUs) and streaming their vidya to their phone.
homosexuals larping as power users are playing with the deck because they want to feel like big boys without any regards to practicality or costs.
>At least until people got switch emulators working on deck at 100% speed
That's been the case for a while. You can run some games better than the switch can on the deck. Nevermind the fact the deck can play every nintendo game ever made, it's capable of playing far more nintendo games than the switch is.
The only thing that separates the two is normalfags know what the switch is, they see all the ads and marketing for it everywhere, they see it in their local walmart, whereas they have no clue the deck exists.
You think that's whats stopping people from buying the deck? The fact that it's not in Walmart?
Anon, the Steam Deck is not going to hurt Switch sales. Nintendo is a much more well known name among normies, they don't know wtf a steam deck is.
Nintendo will have to realise a new Mario and a new Zelda for the switch 2
The deck sold like a million units, which is great, but the switch sold over a 100 million units. Competing with valve isn't even on Nintendos radar.
>Competing with valve isn't even on Nintendos radar
They are going to get fucked if they don't take it seriously. When the Switch came out it was literally the only gaming handheld available. And now you have a far better device that you can get for roughly the same price at the lower end and it's being constantly improved upon and discounted. People are not just going to unquestioningly buy the Switch 2 like it's the only option anymore. If Nintendo doesn't at least price it competitively people are going to wonder why they should pay $400-500 to buy into a far less capable system. Valve might not market it, but word of mouth will spread and comparisons will inevitably be made. It won't happen immediately, but it can pose a serious threat over the coming years as it gains marketshare and its presence and people talking about it only grows exponentially from there.
>Least delusional valve cock sucker
if the psp during snoy's golden era didn't make nintendo flinch, nothing fucking will
especially not when the goydeck is miles away from being plug and play "just werks" even by console standards
>And now you have a far better device that you can get for roughly the same price at the lower end
is this what steamgoys unironically believe?
I bet the Steam Deck can actually run Mortal Kombat.
anon, valve has to market it if they actually wanted it to be a competitor with the switch. word of mouth is not going to get the sort of numbers needed to make it a blip on nintendo's radar.
it's basically HoN and LoL all over again. LoL after a point starting doing some very active and expensive marketing with CG trailers and such, and HoN sat on their asses content that "word of mouth of their much more hardcore game would carry them", even with their own players begging them to market their game more.
HoN died, LoL makes a shit ton of money still.
Valve has the money to try to be competitive. I just don't think they care to, they're honestly kind of... I don't want to say lazy, but very laid back in how they approach a lot of things.
>I don't want to say lazy, but
they are parasites in the industry, plain and simple
valve knows they can milk their goys dry by having a functional monopoly and taking a big chunk out of all dev revenue selling through steam
why try jack shit when they can sit on their asses and see money roll in?
>valve has to market it
I know. I'm not saying this will kill Nintendo. I'm saying it's going to eat into the only hardware they have left. People are angrily lying to themselves defending their purchases to think they aren't actual competitors. They do the same thing, one just happens to do it way better. Literally the only real difference is marketing and normalfag awareness.
But console generations are a risky transition and nintendo should be extremely aware of that by now. They only have a handheld left, it'd be stupid to be arrogant and think the switch 2 will have free reign to do whatever it wanted as if there weren't any alternatives, like the switch.
>I'm not saying it will kill Nintendo
Yes you are you've been implying that this whole thread. Stop sucking valves cock so hard and realise that consoles are a different market then PC and Mobile.
I have been a Nintendo fan nearly my entire life, until the switch, and just came into the thread recently. I get you think your idol of worship is untouchable, but if you were around before the switch you'd know full well they're not.
>I have been a Nintendo fan nearly my entire life
Sure you have anon
>came into the thread recently
Do you not realise we can tell your recognise typing style anon? The only idol worship going on here is the delusional valve drones thinking valve is going to destroy Nintendo.
Arguing with pathetic fanboys like you is always fun, but do you have an actual argument to what I said, instead of just shitting yourself all over the thread?
>Seething
But okay here is my argument the Nintendo switch is set to sell 15 million units this year, the deck probably won't reach that number in its lifetime. The lowest selling Nintendo handheld still sold 80 million. The idea that switch and deck compete is stupid console war bullshit made by valve drones like you. There happy retard?
Why are bingtroons so perpetually asshurt?
>projecting this hard
Cause we have to deal with valve drones like you who have a room temperature iq( Celsius not Fahrenheit)
Why are you in here, troon?
>Troon
Projecting hard there huh?
>the deck probably won't reach that number in its lifetime
Maybe. But if it keeps going like this as one line of Decks, it could over the years. If Valve decides it's normalfag friendly enough one day, which is what they're working towards, I can easily see them actually marketing it and getting it into retailers.
>The idea that switch and deck compete is stupid console war bullshit made by valve drones like you
They are literally both gaming handhelds. One can play all the other games the other can and many more on top of many other benefits. The idea that they don't compete is a cope and you know it's cope, it's why it makes you so angry. Literally the only difference between the two from a product standpoint is marketing and retailer presence.
>buy switch
>get nintendo's games and services
>buy a deck
>get an oversized paperweight that i don't need because i have a laptop and a desktop
why would i buy a third-party console and rely on third-party emulators to play splatoon, all without online events?
the deck is as pointless as any cheap chinese tablet
I'd argue online play would be a loss, if I didn't already refuse to get fucked over paying to use my own internet.
>play splatoon, all without online
>splatoon
>splatoon 2
how about an actually relevant splatoon game?
if i buy a deck, can i participate in the next splatfest with it?
>how about an actually relevant splatoon game?
They are literally all the same, they're nintendo's gaas, only instead of updates they make you buy a new $60 game every few years. Regardless it's what I saw, 3 will get that soon enough if it doesn't already.
If you want to justify a $380 purchase + however many future years of online for turf war you do you.
so many words when all you needed to say was "no"
Actually it was "I don't know"
You can, but you will be get banned in Splatoon World Championship. You might get sued by the seething Nintendo over you using the steamdeck.
>Valve has the money to try to be competitive. I just don't think they care to, they're honestly kind of... I don't want to say lazy, but very laid back in how they approach a lot of things.
Valve isn't going to aggressively market this except in Japan. They don't want to be under Microsoft's radar any more than they already are.
they will just get slaughtered in japan, people are already starting to boycott steam there due to banning off steam some games that weren't even ecchi let alone porn, on top of that people already built their gayming PCs there to play apex and other shit, while for playing on the go they are already using a switch
>They don't want to be under Microsoft's radar any more than they already are
Huh? They couldn't care less about pissing off microsoft.
Valve's existence is an afront to microsoft after gaben left and took a huge stance on FOSS. Them doing everything they can to support linux so they're at no risk of ever being beholden to microsoft is about a big a middle finger gaben can possibly wave around at them.
Reminder the switch being the main focus for games that matter is of critical importance unless you want slop you need upscaling for to play at 1080p 30fps on your 4090.
Has the Deck outsold the Vita yet? Not even close?
They refuse to give sales numbers. All we know is old numbers like from that KDE dev that mentioned one million sales last year.
I think the Deck has sold just a bit over the Atari Lynx.
I'm not buying another deck model until they release one with a CPU update that isn't just a process size decrease (the reason being that I've already heavily modified my deck), but it seems like they took all the user feedback extremely seriously and that's a good thing.
>what does that mean for the Switch 2?
nothing
>Will Nintendo have to not take their $100-$150 profit on every system sold now?
no
>Is Nintendo going to have to actually compete instead of taking its consumers and the handheld space for granted?
no
>Is Valve going to gradually eat Nintendo's lunch with death by a thousand cuts?
lol
lmao
nintendo knows damn well the concept of a killer app - good games sell consoles
nintendo produces games that everyone wants
valve produces no games
Im a bit annoyed, I bought a deck over the summer sale due to the slight discount and they are releasing a version with better battery life.
>nobody asked you tendie
>anne frank posting
not even once
But why is the Index still $1000? I don't give a shit about the ick on eck.
VR isn't anywhere near as popular so production is probably still very expensive. I've been waiting for the Index2 for ages to get into VR, but who knows when that'll happen.
>Index 2
Probably when Half-Life 3 happens (basically not in our lifetime).
>want the 1tb version
>has etched glass screen, which apparently fucks with the colors
Just swap out the ssd. They made it even easier to do. I'd wait to see screen comparisons before judging, might not make any real difference with an oled.
God seeing this homosexual sperg and start to post the same images is so goddamn funny
I'm glad I waited for the 'eck OLED, I even betted that they'll release something like this before the revision with my friend, he better get me one for my birthday