So was he mind controlled or something? Why did he believe some alien fuck was his actual parent?

So was he mind controlled or something? Why did he believe some alien fuck was his actual parent?

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Hojo intentionally misled him a little for shits and giggles.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Didn't he know that Lucrecia was his mother but chose to believe that Jenova was the real source of his identity due to the cells, because he wanted to believe that he was someone destined to be great and better than human?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Funny thing is Sephiroth always thought he was special. He just didn't know how or why

        Sephiroth
        ...Was I created this way too?
        Am I the same as all these monsters......

        Cloud
        ...Sephiroth.

        Sephiroth
        You saw it! All of them... were humans...

        Cloud
        Human!? No way!

        Sephiroth
        ...I've always felt since I was small...
        That I was different from the others. Special, in some way.
        But... not like this...

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The wrong theory is that he was in full control. The right one is that he was being played by JENOVA's mind fuckery.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >t. 60 IQ retard who doesn't know what a "fiction" is

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Its called bad representation of schizophrenia moron

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Wait… it wasn’t his parent?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Sephiroth's parents are Hojo and Lucrecia. Hojo just stuck some of that sweet alien juice into the embryo for fun.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      He read Shinra Archives that called Jenova his mnom and at that point he was under impression Jenova was Cetra, because Shinra thought so too.

      No, his mom was Shinra scientist Lucrecia. Hojo was his father. Vincent had hots for Lucrecia but she chose Hojo. They did inject Sephrioth with Jenova cells while he was still in his mom's womb

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Vincent had hots for Lucrecia but she chose Hojo
        why the fuck did she choose the degenerate?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          She's a woman.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          She felt guilty about dating Vincent since she was involved with an incident that led to the death of his father.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          She's a woman.

          Even with Hojo being "degenerate" and villain, he also had massive self-confidence, was intelligent and did whatever the fuck he pleased. Women like men who are confident and make world to their liking.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Logic does not apply to breeding

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Women

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because he was lied to about Lucrecia. He had Jenova cells inside him, and used Jenova's power of Reunion to strengthen himself. To say he was mind controlled by Jenova or visa versa is to miss the reality that he more or less became Jenova's next form of evolution. He looked down on humans, especially those who weren't Cetra "traitors" - So even if he knew about Lucrecia he would have viewed her as little more than a vessel for his body while Jenova was held in stasis. He was also just kind of a creepy weirdo, not some god in human form.

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Found out in the libary

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    He's a sociopath. The revelation that he's an alien empowered him and allowed to act out his serial killer instincts on a global scale.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      He's inspired by one david bowie role that deals with abstract emotional struggles

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    He's dead most of the game, all the Sephiroth iterations you fight are actually Genova in disguise. You only find the real Sephiroth until the volcano creater thing at the end, he's inside the crystal thing.
    He ends up there since the flashback where he falls into the life stream.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The real lowest IQ in this thread. Sephiroth isn't dead, he IS Jenova. He is the brain controlling all the Jenova cells in the world as an extension of his body, like a giant organism. All the Jenova cells are gathering to regenerate his original body. The naming convention of all his fights reveal the entire life cycle of Jenova and Sephiroth. BIRTH, LIFE, DEATH, SYNTHESIS, REBIRTH, SEFER SEFIROT

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous
      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Dumb intentional false poster should get shot

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Isn't he just a figment of his own mind projected into existence every time he appears?
    The real Sephirot isn't cut in half and imprisoned in Crystal, I want to say in Northern Crater?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yes Sephiroth's body was in North Crater crystal. Young Cloud as Shirna army grunt yoinked Sephiroth to the mako pit in tard rage after Sephiroth had cut Tifa and BTFO Zack and Sephiroth's body drifted in Life Stream to North Crater

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, hence why almost every time you find sephiroth you fight a part of Jenova.

        Well, at least this I remember then, thanks guys.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, hence why almost every time you find sephiroth you fight a part of Jenova.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      What? No. In addition to what

      Yes Sephiroth's body was in North Crater crystal. Young Cloud as Shirna army grunt yoinked Sephiroth to the mako pit in tard rage after Sephiroth had cut Tifa and BTFO Zack and Sephiroth's body drifted in Life Stream to North Crater

      said, the ability to shapeshift was one of Jenova's chief abilities. She'd turn into loved just so she could infect them with her DNA and turn them into her slaves

      >Ifalna
      >That's when it appeared!
      >It looked like... our... our dead mothers... and our dead brothers. Showing us spectres of their past.

      >Gast
      >Who is the person that appeared at the North Cave? I haven't any idea.

      >Ifalna
      >That's when the one who injured the Planet... or the 'crisis from the sky', as we call him, came.

      >He first approached as a friend, deceived them, and finally...... gave them the virus.
      >The Cetra were attacked by the virus and went mad... transforming into monsters.

      >Then, just as he had at the Knowlespole.
      >He approached other Cetra clans...... infecting them with... the virus...

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        No, but anon you quoted said yes?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I just wanted to clarify that Jenova isn't an illusion or a figment of Sephiroth's mind. Jenova is her own entity. An alien. Chopping it to bits does not kill it and each piece is sentient and can change its shape. So when you find Jenova's missing head. Or "sephiroth" throws a limb at you. That's Jenova changing her shape either to look like Sephiroth or to look like the monsters you fight.

          Note that the Reunion is the need for all the separated pieces of Jenova to reunite. Even if you put her cells in another person. The cells will just try to usurp the minds of their hosts to force them back to wherever the Reunion is happening. Hojo brought Jenova's body to Shinra Tower thinking the Reunion would happen wherever it was located. But the body itself moved after Cloud was jailed in Shinra Tower. They're all converging on Sephiroth's body in the northern crater

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    "Sephiroth
    ...an organism that was apparently dead, was found in a 2000 year old geological stratum.
    Professor Gast named that organism, Jenova...
    X Year, X Month, X Day. Jenova confirmed to be an Ancient...
    X Year, X Month, X Day. Jenova Project approved. The use of Mako Reactor 1 approved for use...

    My mother's name is Jenova... Jenova Project... Is this just a coincidence?
    Professor Gast... Why didn't you tell me anything? ...Why did you die?"

    Dr. Gast initially thought Jenova's corpse was an Ancient. Because he wrote that report before he spoke with Ifalna, and then he abandoned Shinra immediately after getting her pregnant, the reports in Nibelheim were never updated. So Sephiroth thought he was the descendent of the Cetra until he fell in the lifestream and understood that Jenova was an alien, not a Cetra

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's confirmed that the Ancients are not related in any form to JENOVA?
      There isn't a possibility of the Ancients being "born" because JENOVA even if indirectly?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        What no. Jenova was some alien shit trying to destroy the world and the ancients barely managed to contain it.

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    You know despite everything about him he was made this way by shinra and hojo no one can be more evil than a dystopian oil corporation.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Well sephiroth is the apotheosis of shinra's evil. Because the thing is that unlike most people, the Shinra president and Hojo know full well what they're doing with the lifestream reactors. And rather than find enlightenment through the Cetra legends, instead they bastardized it to create what they hoped would be a child that could hear the voice of the planet, that could lead them to the promised land, so they could use him to make infinite money.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Well in the end they opened pandora's box all just for materials gain & profit which is why you shouldn't feel bad when their CEO gets slaughtered.

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's really simple.

    Sephiroth was a baby born of Hojo cucking Vincent and impregnating Lucrecia. That's the thing that most people miss about Vincent - All these edgy 12 year olds that set their profile picture to Vincent are roleplaying as and identifying with a cuckold. Shinra didn't even do anything unjust to Vincent, he just hid himself away and let it happen. He practically watched the moment Hojo shoved his gangly muscled science cock into his beloved Lucrecia and ejaculated sufficient that she became pregnant. He may as well be the omega cuckold. Like, Vincent is perhaps the most thoroughly cucked protagonist in any video game. Bitchboy probably beat off to the thought of it in his coffin.

    Anyway, Hojo also stuffed a tube of Jenova into Lucrecia's womb because that gets him off. He did this because he thought Jenova was a Cetra like Aerith, who could lead his company to the promised land. Sephiroth found out about this and went coocoo, and went to rescue Jenova from her prison. Cloud proceeds to kill Sephiroth in the Mako reactor, and both Sephiroth and Jenova fall into the Life Stream where they proceed to flow to the Northern Crater where Jenova first landed. See, Jenova is basically The Thing from John Carpenter's The Thing. The Life Stream was carrying particles of Jenova back to the source of Jenova while also trying to heal the wound her crater left in the planet. But because Sephiroth still had his ego as a part of Jenova, he was able to stay crazy and angry and manifest himself through other people infused with Jenova cells. Because they were both in the Life Stream, saying Sephiroth or Jenova are in control is meaningless, they synthesized. That's what Jenova Synthesis is all about, that's what the whole point of vagueness during the ending is about.

    Like you're not supposed to know if it's Jenova's reunion bringing the Life Stream to the northern crater or if it's actually a natural part of the planet's healing process. Both are true.

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    When your dad is pic related you're bound to be led astray somewhere. And it's more than likely because pic related thought it was funny and also science.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >he wanted to breed red with aerith
      What was this man smoking?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >he wanted to breed red with aerith
        canon?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Iirc, that's basically why he put them in the same cage/cell when aerith gets captured. Good thing Red was only pretending to act like a savage.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          In the original? Yes. He explicitly wanted red to fuck aerith for some fucking reason and put them in a cage together. The remake removed that part.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            does that mean animals can have kids with humans in the ff world?

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Not proven but Hojo was a scientist who was ready to find out

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              I think it was more Hojo being utterly bonkers rather than human-animal relationships.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              I don’t want to say yes but I can’t say no since hojo even trying that implies it would be possible. At least in ff7.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Dumb Square ethics depo

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              You are retarded.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Aw, did i offend your boss you little Square poo-poo?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Hojo
          As a specimen, she is inferior to her mother. I'm still in the process of comparing her to her mother, Ifalna, but for now the difference is 18%.

          President Shinra
          How long will the research take?

          Hojo
          Probably 120 years. It's probably impossible to finish in our lifetime. Or in the lifetime of the specimen too, for that matter.
          That's why we're thinking of breeding her. Then we could create one that could withstand our research for a long time.

          Aeris
          Cloud, help!

          Cloud
          What do you think you're doin'?

          Hojo
          Lending a helping hand to an endangered species... Both of them are on the brink of extinction...
          If I don't help, all these animals will disappear.

          Tifa
          ...animal? That's terrible! Aeris is a human being!

          One must wonder whether Hojo had a PHD or if he was just a guy with a lab coat

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Dude was nuts but he was undeniably a genius

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >he wanted to breed red with aerith
        canon?

        Yes, in the og. In the remake Hojo planned to have S and G type Soldiers impregnate Aerith to produce more Cetras. In og he wanted to lend "helping hand" to species near extinction and since Red's speices seemed to have long longevity, it would have been great to have Cetra with long life span

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    What I always hated in FF7 story is that the Mako energy and reactors are a technology that exists for only 30 years.
    In 30 years they gone from medieval times to cyberpunk.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      It wasn't medieval times. They used at least coal and there was industry before Mako. Mako was just more efficent and gave leaps to technology

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >coal
        I don't remember this, but it really makes sense, don't know why I didn't think of this.
        I guess I need to replay this again.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Barret's hometown was coal mining town before Shinra build Mako reactor to it. In Advent Children Barret also is excited about discovery of oil. It's not revealed whether the world knew about oil before that but they didn't seem to know about oil's burning on enviroment. They did say that coal caused health problems though, that was one of the reasons Barret in past wanted to change from mining coal to mako

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Dyne
          >I am definitely against it, no matter what. There's nothing to talk about if you're thinking of throwing away our coal!
          >Our coal's been protected for generations. Our fathers, and theirs before them, risked their lives for it.
          >We have no right to throw it all away so easily!

          >Barret
          >But listen, Dyne. No one uses coal nowadays. It's the sign of the times.

          >Scarlet
          >Right, everything is Mako, now.
          >It'll be all right, Dyne. Shinra, Inc. will guarantee your livelihood once the Mako Reactor is completed.

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    when will cloud and sephiroth finally make up with each other?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Sephiroth was pretty sus towards cloud in the remake

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Welcome to JRPG storytelling. Most of it is really garbage and FF7 was no exception.
    The last good stories the franchise rolled out was X and their MMO 14 but only because it's evident they put more thought and effort into making them coherent
    You have to remember that for a long time the series was: 'Crystals! Save the crystals! Bad man in a scary outfit attacked your home town!' as the entire plot device

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Bla bla bla me smart why you so stupid guise
      Get off your high horse,retard. This ain't no leddit.

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    He was named after a hamster that information was too much to take

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The way the Ultimania explains it, Jenova has some manipulative influence, but it wasn't strong enough to directly control Sephiroth.
    However he misunderstood his circumstances. Reading all that shit in Professor Gast's office led Sephiroth to mindfuck himself, he went and did what Jenova wanted to do anyway.
    After he and Jenova's head fell into the Lifestream, Sephiroth and Jenova eventually used the rest of Jenova's body to orchestrate shit outside.

    He didn't need to be controlled, he wanted to do it for mommy of his own free will.

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why did jenova throw that at him anyway? The weird part is that it has a use in the final battle

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Real answer: to mock Cloud

        Crazy answer: just before Nibelheim you got Added Effect Materia in Cosmo Canyon. Linking it to Destruct Materia on armor you get protection to Sudden Deth. Sephy and Jenova needed Cloud to survive so Cloud can get the Black Materia and deliver it to Sephy in North Crater. They wanted to help Cloud to get there.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Crazy answer:
          Woah... That is now my head canon

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          That's up there with Young Cloud and the Pre Emptive materia.

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ever since I read about the original game script having Jenova as some kind of "state of mind" entity I wish she was more than just an evil alien

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      To be fair: after Sephiroth's death she became more intelligent. At first she just preyed on people and fed by infecting life around her. In the game she not only discovered how to use magic but also how to game the system to feed on all of the lifestream at once. Or maybe it was Sephiroth's plan

      "Sephiroth
      It's simple.
      Once the Planet is hurt, it gathers Spirit Energy to heal the injury.
      The amount of energy gathered depends on the size of the injury.

      ...What would happen if there was an injury that threatened the very life of the Planet?
      Think how much energy would be gathered!

      Ha ha ha. And at the center of that injury, will be me.
      All that boundless energy will be mine.
      By merging with all the energy of the Planet, I will become a new life form, a new existence.
      Melding with the Planet... I will cease to exist as I am now...
      Only to be reborn as a 'God' to rule over every soul."

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I guess this is Jenova and Sephiroth influencing each other? It puts more emphasis on the link they have and Sephiroth's inherent huge willpower

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Could be. Hojo is under the impression that Sephiroth is calling the shots but they both want the same thing: to steal the Planet's lifestream. Which to be fair is the same thing Shinra wants. Shinra, Sephiroth, and Jenova are all the same

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Jenova is not good or evil, it's just a virus that wants to tavel from planet to planet to siphon its life energy. It's not evil, it just is.

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    There are 3 sources of information to understand Jenova: Shinra Manor Basement at Nibelheim, Gast's House at the glacier, and Lucrecia in her stupid cave
    1. In Shinra Manor, Sephiroth is reading reports when Gast and Hojo first found Jenova. It is concluded that Jenova is a Cetra. Hojo and the rest of Shinra told Sephiroth that his mother's name is Jenova, so Sephy thought if Jenova = Cetra, Sephiroth = Cetra. Then he began to ethnically cleanse Nibelheim.
    2. At Gast's house, Cloud's team find video logs from Professor Gast and Ifalna after Gast deserted. This is the only source of information confirming that Jenova is not a Cetra: Ifalna tells the story of Jenova being a shape-shifting space monster that killed most of the Cetra. As Hojo killed Gast and Ifalna, evidently never checking the camera logs, nobody at Shinra knows this fact. Shinra and Seph still believe Jenova is a Cetra.
    3. Lucrecia tells Vincent Hojo was so good in bed that he let her microwave her baby with Jenova cells. Thus, Sephiroth was born of Hojo and Lucrecia. Jenova isn't even his mom, just a strain of AIDS he got infected with that made him emo.
    Conclusively, we can state that Hojo told Seph his mom was Jenova in order to bully him for fun. Both of them are fucking idiots.
    As for the mind control thing Sephy did commit Nibelheim but FF7 doesn't explain if Sephy or Jenova was in control after merging in the Lifestream. Compilation claims Sephy is cool so he was in control but Compilation is gay so...

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Conclusively, we can state that Hojo told Seph his mom was Jenova in order to bully him for fun.
      Is Jenova even conscious?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Jenova
        >Because, you are...... a puppet.

        >Cloud
        >I'm....... a puppet?

        Yes

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          True.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >As Hojo killed Gast and Ifalna, evidently never checking the camera logs, nobody at Shinra knows this fact. Shinra and Seph still believe Jenova is a Cetra.
      Hojo does find the tapes though, at least the one about WEAPON, and mentions the "mountain of treasure" he's found which could be construed as the rest of the tapes.

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Even if Jenova's control wasn't absolute, Sephiroth still did exactly what she wanted to further the goal of energy succ.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Well which would you prefer? Being Jenova's mind slave and turned into a monster? Or be hit with a big rock from space

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I, for one, welcome our alien overlord.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Don't fuck the alien

  23. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The thing that fuck my mind is the water is murky with all the expanded universe bullshit.
    Even if you take only the original FF7, the project was so stressed that one could accept a revision or correction made in an interview or Ultimania guide, but then, the gates are opened and we might as well take DoC into consideration.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The expanded stuff just makes FF7 more flaccid and stupid with each entry. Like DoC establishes that there an Omega Weapon that would've carried the Lifestream to another planet in case of emergency. Which just raises the question of what was the point of Holy. And why wasn't Omega deployed after Sephiroth made Holy stall?

  24. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    that was jenova disguising herself. sephiroth was in a stasis in the mako fountain when cloud stabbed him in the gut and threw him in the reactor in Nibelheim. why are people so stupid they don't understand this.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      To be fair, the translation is kind of fucked in a few places

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Jenova is not her, it's it, a virus. The only reason it's portrayed as a woman is because it's the body of Cetra woman Jenova infected before it was sealed by the Cetra people

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        That virus was hot though. Imagine sucking on her titty and then it winks at you
        fuck FF7R and Compilation for making it a pain to find images of Jenova from FF7 online.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous
  25. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Sephiroth was boring and poorly written like every other jrpg antagonist. But because of nostalgia you will deny the truth.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Sephiroth himself isn't interesting. Sephiroth's effect on things around him, especially Cloud, is interesting

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      His buildup as a final villain (Or more accurately hurdle) was amazing though

  26. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    can someone edit ops pic but with sephiroths eyes closed saying "its over thanks

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I usually charge for comms

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I usually charge for comms

      based, i had the same idea

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        My man

  27. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    His eyes are creepy

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