So was he mind controlled or something? Why did he believe some alien frick was his actual parent?
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Hojo intentionally misled him a little for shits and giggles.
Didn't he know that Lucrecia was his mother but chose to believe that Jenova was the real source of his identity due to the cells, because he wanted to believe that he was someone destined to be great and better than human?
Funny thing is Sephiroth always thought he was special. He just didn't know how or why
Sephiroth
...Was I created this way too?
Am I the same as all these monsters......
Cloud
...Sephiroth.
Sephiroth
You saw it! All of them... were humans...
Cloud
Human!? No way!
Sephiroth
...I've always felt since I was small...
That I was different from the others. Special, in some way.
But... not like this...
The wrong theory is that he was in full control. The right one is that he was being played by JENOVA's mind frickery.
>t. 60 IQ moron who doesn't know what a "fiction" is
Its called bad representation of schizophrenia Black person
Wait… it wasn’t his parent?
Sephiroth's parents are Hojo and Lucrecia. Hojo just stuck some of that sweet alien juice into the embryo for fun.
He read Shinra Archives that called Jenova his mnom and at that point he was under impression Jenova was Cetra, because Shinra thought so too.
No, his mom was Shinra scientist Lucrecia. Hojo was his father. Vincent had hots for Lucrecia but she chose Hojo. They did inject Sephrioth with Jenova cells while he was still in his mom's womb
>Vincent had hots for Lucrecia but she chose Hojo
why the frick did she choose the degenerate?
She's a woman.
She felt guilty about dating Vincent since she was involved with an incident that led to the death of his father.
Even with Hojo being "degenerate" and villain, he also had massive self-confidence, was intelligent and did whatever the frick he pleased. Women like men who are confident and make world to their liking.
Logic does not apply to breeding
Women
Because he was lied to about Lucrecia. He had Jenova cells inside him, and used Jenova's power of Reunion to strengthen himself. To say he was mind controlled by Jenova or visa versa is to miss the reality that he more or less became Jenova's next form of evolution. He looked down on humans, especially those who weren't Cetra "traitors" - So even if he knew about Lucrecia he would have viewed her as little more than a vessel for his body while Jenova was held in stasis. He was also just kind of a creepy weirdo, not some god in human form.
Found out in the libary
He's a sociopath. The revelation that he's an alien empowered him and allowed to act out his serial killer instincts on a global scale.
He's inspired by one david bowie role that deals with abstract emotional struggles
He's dead most of the game, all the Sephiroth iterations you fight are actually Genova in disguise. You only find the real Sephiroth until the volcano creater thing at the end, he's inside the crystal thing.
He ends up there since the flashback where he falls into the life stream.
The real lowest IQ in this thread. Sephiroth isn't dead, he IS Jenova. He is the brain controlling all the Jenova cells in the world as an extension of his body, like a giant organism. All the Jenova cells are gathering to regenerate his original body. The naming convention of all his fights reveal the entire life cycle of Jenova and Sephiroth. BIRTH, LIFE, DEATH, SYNTHESIS, REBIRTH, SEFER SEFIROT
Dumb intentional false poster should get shot
Isn't he just a figment of his own mind projected into existence every time he appears?
The real Sephirot isn't cut in half and imprisoned in Crystal, I want to say in Northern Crater?
Yes Sephiroth's body was in North Crater crystal. Young Cloud as Shirna army grunt yoinked Sephiroth to the mako pit in tard rage after Sephiroth had cut Tifa and BTFO Zack and Sephiroth's body drifted in Life Stream to North Crater
Well, at least this I remember then, thanks guys.
Yes, hence why almost every time you find sephiroth you fight a part of Jenova.
What? No. In addition to what
said, the ability to shapeshift was one of Jenova's chief abilities. She'd turn into loved just so she could infect them with her DNA and turn them into her slaves
>Ifalna
>That's when it appeared!
>It looked like... our... our dead mothers... and our dead brothers. Showing us spectres of their past.
>Gast
>Who is the person that appeared at the North Cave? I haven't any idea.
>Ifalna
>That's when the one who injured the Planet... or the 'crisis from the sky', as we call him, came.
>He first approached as a friend, deceived them, and finally...... gave them the virus.
>The Cetra were attacked by the virus and went mad... transforming into monsters.
>Then, just as he had at the Knowlespole.
>He approached other Cetra clans...... infecting them with... the virus...
No, but anon you quoted said yes?
I just wanted to clarify that Jenova isn't an illusion or a figment of Sephiroth's mind. Jenova is her own entity. An alien. Chopping it to bits does not kill it and each piece is sentient and can change its shape. So when you find Jenova's missing head. Or "sephiroth" throws a limb at you. That's Jenova changing her shape either to look like Sephiroth or to look like the monsters you fight.
Note that the Reunion is the need for all the separated pieces of Jenova to reunite. Even if you put her cells in another person. The cells will just try to usurp the minds of their hosts to force them back to wherever the Reunion is happening. Hojo brought Jenova's body to Shinra Tower thinking the Reunion would happen wherever it was located. But the body itself moved after Cloud was jailed in Shinra Tower. They're all converging on Sephiroth's body in the northern crater
"Sephiroth
...an organism that was apparently dead, was found in a 2000 year old geological stratum.
Professor Gast named that organism, Jenova...
X Year, X Month, X Day. Jenova confirmed to be an Ancient...
X Year, X Month, X Day. Jenova Project approved. The use of Mako Reactor 1 approved for use...
My mother's name is Jenova... Jenova Project... Is this just a coincidence?
Professor Gast... Why didn't you tell me anything? ...Why did you die?"
Dr. Gast initially thought Jenova's corpse was an Ancient. Because he wrote that report before he spoke with Ifalna, and then he abandoned Shinra immediately after getting her pregnant, the reports in Nibelheim were never updated. So Sephiroth thought he was the descendent of the Cetra until he fell in the lifestream and understood that Jenova was an alien, not a Cetra
It's confirmed that the Ancients are not related in any form to JENOVA?
There isn't a possibility of the Ancients being "born" because JENOVA even if indirectly?
What no. Jenova was some alien shit trying to destroy the world and the ancients barely managed to contain it.
You know despite everything about him he was made this way by shinra and hojo no one can be more evil than a dystopian oil corporation.
Well sephiroth is the apotheosis of shinra's evil. Because the thing is that unlike most people, the Shinra president and Hojo know full well what they're doing with the lifestream reactors. And rather than find enlightenment through the Cetra legends, instead they bastardized it to create what they hoped would be a child that could hear the voice of the planet, that could lead them to the promised land, so they could use him to make infinite money.
Well in the end they opened pandora's box all just for materials gain & profit which is why you shouldn't feel bad when their CEO gets slaughtered.
It's really simple.
Sephiroth was a baby born of Hojo cucking Vincent and impregnating Lucrecia. That's the thing that most people miss about Vincent - All these edgy 12 year olds that set their profile picture to Vincent are roleplaying as and identifying with a cuckold. Shinra didn't even do anything unjust to Vincent, he just hid himself away and let it happen. He practically watched the moment Hojo shoved his gangly muscled science wiener into his beloved Lucrecia and ejaculated sufficient that she became pregnant. He may as well be the omega cuckold. Like, Vincent is perhaps the most thoroughly cucked protagonist in any video game. b***hboy probably beat off to the thought of it in his coffin.
Anyway, Hojo also stuffed a tube of Jenova into Lucrecia's womb because that gets him off. He did this because he thought Jenova was a Cetra like Aerith, who could lead his company to the promised land. Sephiroth found out about this and went coocoo, and went to rescue Jenova from her prison. Cloud proceeds to kill Sephiroth in the Mako reactor, and both Sephiroth and Jenova fall into the Life Stream where they proceed to flow to the Northern Crater where Jenova first landed. See, Jenova is basically The Thing from John Carpenter's The Thing. The Life Stream was carrying particles of Jenova back to the source of Jenova while also trying to heal the wound her crater left in the planet. But because Sephiroth still had his ego as a part of Jenova, he was able to stay crazy and angry and manifest himself through other people infused with Jenova cells. Because they were both in the Life Stream, saying Sephiroth or Jenova are in control is meaningless, they synthesized. That's what Jenova Synthesis is all about, that's what the whole point of vagueness during the ending is about.
Like you're not supposed to know if it's Jenova's reunion bringing the Life Stream to the northern crater or if it's actually a natural part of the planet's healing process. Both are true.
When your dad is pic related you're bound to be led astray somewhere. And it's more than likely because pic related thought it was funny and also science.
>he wanted to breed red with aerith
What was this man smoking?
>he wanted to breed red with aerith
canon?
Iirc, that's basically why he put them in the same cage/cell when aerith gets captured. Good thing Red was only pretending to act like a savage.
In the original? Yes. He explicitly wanted red to frick aerith for some fricking reason and put them in a cage together. The remake removed that part.
does that mean animals can have kids with humans in the ff world?
Not proven but Hojo was a scientist who was ready to find out
I think it was more Hojo being utterly bonkers rather than human-animal relationships.
I don’t want to say yes but I can’t say no since hojo even trying that implies it would be possible. At least in ff7.
Dumb Square ethics depo
You are moronic.
Aw, did i offend your boss you little Square poo-poo?
Hojo
As a specimen, she is inferior to her mother. I'm still in the process of comparing her to her mother, Ifalna, but for now the difference is 18%.
President Shinra
How long will the research take?
Hojo
Probably 120 years. It's probably impossible to finish in our lifetime. Or in the lifetime of the specimen too, for that matter.
That's why we're thinking of breeding her. Then we could create one that could withstand our research for a long time.
Aeris
Cloud, help!
Cloud
What do you think you're doin'?
Hojo
Lending a helping hand to an endangered species... Both of them are on the brink of extinction...
If I don't help, all these animals will disappear.
Tifa
...animal? That's terrible! Aeris is a human being!
One must wonder whether Hojo had a PHD or if he was just a guy with a lab coat
Dude was nuts but he was undeniably a genius
Yes, in the og. In the remake Hojo planned to have S and G type Soldiers impregnate Aerith to produce more Cetras. In og he wanted to lend "helping hand" to species near extinction and since Red's speices seemed to have long longevity, it would have been great to have Cetra with long life span
What I always hated in FF7 story is that the Mako energy and reactors are a technology that exists for only 30 years.
In 30 years they gone from medieval times to cyberpunk.
It wasn't medieval times. They used at least coal and there was industry before Mako. Mako was just more efficent and gave leaps to technology
>coal
I don't remember this, but it really makes sense, don't know why I didn't think of this.
I guess I need to replay this again.
Barret's hometown was coal mining town before Shinra build Mako reactor to it. In Advent Children Barret also is excited about discovery of oil. It's not revealed whether the world knew about oil before that but they didn't seem to know about oil's burning on enviroment. They did say that coal caused health problems though, that was one of the reasons Barret in past wanted to change from mining coal to mako
>Dyne
>I am definitely against it, no matter what. There's nothing to talk about if you're thinking of throwing away our coal!
>Our coal's been protected for generations. Our fathers, and theirs before them, risked their lives for it.
>We have no right to throw it all away so easily!
>Barret
>But listen, Dyne. No one uses coal nowadays. It's the sign of the times.
>Scarlet
>Right, everything is Mako, now.
>It'll be all right, Dyne. Shinra, Inc. will guarantee your livelihood once the Mako Reactor is completed.
when will cloud and sephiroth finally make up with each other?
Sephiroth was pretty sus towards cloud in the remake
Welcome to JRPG storytelling. Most of it is really garbage and FF7 was no exception.
The last good stories the franchise rolled out was X and their MMO 14 but only because it's evident they put more thought and effort into making them coherent
You have to remember that for a long time the series was: 'Crystals! Save the crystals! Bad man in a scary outfit attacked your home town!' as the entire plot device
>Bla bla bla me smart why you so stupid guise
Get off your high horse,moron. This ain't no leddit.
He was named after a hamster that information was too much to take
The way the Ultimania explains it, Jenova has some manipulative influence, but it wasn't strong enough to directly control Sephiroth.
However he misunderstood his circumstances. Reading all that shit in Professor Gast's office led Sephiroth to mindfrick himself, he went and did what Jenova wanted to do anyway.
After he and Jenova's head fell into the Lifestream, Sephiroth and Jenova eventually used the rest of Jenova's body to orchestrate shit outside.
He didn't need to be controlled, he wanted to do it for mommy of his own free will.
Why did jenova throw that at him anyway? The weird part is that it has a use in the final battle
Real answer: to mock Cloud
Crazy answer: just before Nibelheim you got Added Effect Materia in Cosmo Canyon. Linking it to Destruct Materia on armor you get protection to Sudden Deth. Sephy and Jenova needed Cloud to survive so Cloud can get the Black Materia and deliver it to Sephy in North Crater. They wanted to help Cloud to get there.
>Crazy answer:
Woah... That is now my head canon
That's up there with Young Cloud and the Pre Emptive materia.
Ever since I read about the original game script having Jenova as some kind of "state of mind" entity I wish she was more than just an evil alien
To be fair: after Sephiroth's death she became more intelligent. At first she just preyed on people and fed by infecting life around her. In the game she not only discovered how to use magic but also how to game the system to feed on all of the lifestream at once. Or maybe it was Sephiroth's plan
"Sephiroth
It's simple.
Once the Planet is hurt, it gathers Spirit Energy to heal the injury.
The amount of energy gathered depends on the size of the injury.
...What would happen if there was an injury that threatened the very life of the Planet?
Think how much energy would be gathered!
Ha ha ha. And at the center of that injury, will be me.
All that boundless energy will be mine.
By merging with all the energy of the Planet, I will become a new life form, a new existence.
Melding with the Planet... I will cease to exist as I am now...
Only to be reborn as a 'God' to rule over every soul."
I guess this is Jenova and Sephiroth influencing each other? It puts more emphasis on the link they have and Sephiroth's inherent huge willpower
Could be. Hojo is under the impression that Sephiroth is calling the shots but they both want the same thing: to steal the Planet's lifestream. Which to be fair is the same thing Shinra wants. Shinra, Sephiroth, and Jenova are all the same
Jenova is not good or evil, it's just a virus that wants to tavel from planet to planet to siphon its life energy. It's not evil, it just is.
There are 3 sources of information to understand Jenova: Shinra Manor Basement at Nibelheim, Gast's House at the glacier, and Lucrecia in her stupid cave
1. In Shinra Manor, Sephiroth is reading reports when Gast and Hojo first found Jenova. It is concluded that Jenova is a Cetra. Hojo and the rest of Shinra told Sephiroth that his mother's name is Jenova, so Sephy thought if Jenova = Cetra, Sephiroth = Cetra. Then he began to ethnically cleanse Nibelheim.
2. At Gast's house, Cloud's team find video logs from Professor Gast and Ifalna after Gast deserted. This is the only source of information confirming that Jenova is not a Cetra: Ifalna tells the story of Jenova being a shape-shifting space monster that killed most of the Cetra. As Hojo killed Gast and Ifalna, evidently never checking the camera logs, nobody at Shinra knows this fact. Shinra and Seph still believe Jenova is a Cetra.
3. Lucrecia tells Vincent Hojo was so good in bed that he let her microwave her baby with Jenova cells. Thus, Sephiroth was born of Hojo and Lucrecia. Jenova isn't even his mom, just a strain of AIDS he got infected with that made him emo.
Conclusively, we can state that Hojo told Seph his mom was Jenova in order to bully him for fun. Both of them are fricking idiots.
As for the mind control thing Sephy did commit Nibelheim but FF7 doesn't explain if Sephy or Jenova was in control after merging in the Lifestream. Compilation claims Sephy is cool so he was in control but Compilation is gay so...
>Conclusively, we can state that Hojo told Seph his mom was Jenova in order to bully him for fun.
Is Jenova even conscious?
>Jenova
>Because, you are...... a puppet.
>Cloud
>I'm....... a puppet?
Yes
True.
>As Hojo killed Gast and Ifalna, evidently never checking the camera logs, nobody at Shinra knows this fact. Shinra and Seph still believe Jenova is a Cetra.
Hojo does find the tapes though, at least the one about WEAPON, and mentions the "mountain of treasure" he's found which could be construed as the rest of the tapes.
Even if Jenova's control wasn't absolute, Sephiroth still did exactly what she wanted to further the goal of energy succ.
Well which would you prefer? Being Jenova's mind slave and turned into a monster? Or be hit with a big rock from space
I, for one, welcome our alien overlord.
Don't frick the alien
The thing that frick my mind is the water is murky with all the expanded universe bullshit.
Even if you take only the original FF7, the project was so stressed that one could accept a revision or correction made in an interview or Ultimania guide, but then, the gates are opened and we might as well take DoC into consideration.
The expanded stuff just makes FF7 more flaccid and stupid with each entry. Like DoC establishes that there an Omega Weapon that would've carried the Lifestream to another planet in case of emergency. Which just raises the question of what was the point of Holy. And why wasn't Omega deployed after Sephiroth made Holy stall?
that was jenova disguising herself. sephiroth was in a stasis in the mako fountain when cloud stabbed him in the gut and threw him in the reactor in Nibelheim. why are people so stupid they don't understand this.
To be fair, the translation is kind of fricked in a few places
Jenova is not her, it's it, a virus. The only reason it's portrayed as a woman is because it's the body of Cetra woman Jenova infected before it was sealed by the Cetra people
That virus was hot though. Imagine sucking on her titty and then it winks at you
frick FF7R and Compilation for making it a pain to find images of Jenova from FF7 online.
Sephiroth was boring and poorly written like every other jrpg antagonist. But because of nostalgia you will deny the truth.
Sephiroth himself isn't interesting. Sephiroth's effect on things around him, especially Cloud, is interesting
His buildup as a final villain (Or more accurately hurdle) was amazing though
can someone edit ops pic but with sephiroths eyes closed saying "its over thanks
I usually charge for comms
based, i had the same idea
My man
His eyes are creepy