So what exactly is a gimmick?

>Flashy accessory thing that adds an extra button to use in battle
>i.e, Wonder Launcher, Mega Evolution, Z-Move, Dynamax, Terastallization
or
>Typical mechanic of newer regions that supercharges every Pokemon's moves
>i.e, Z-Moves, Dynamax, Terastallization
or
>Some homosexual's headcanon
>i.e, Megas, Z-Moves, Dynamax, and Tera just because they said so
I took a break during Gen 8 so I don't really understand why the last one seems to be the consensus. Also why do people keep thinking remakes will have X new gimmick even three gens later when that has never been the case?

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  1. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    It’s a once per battle “super” not linked to your 4 move slots

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >It’s a once per battle “super”
      Does this make megas unique in that they are technically a twice per battle if stacked with Z-Moves?
      >not linked to your 4 move slots
      But Z-Moves, Dynamax, and Terastallization all directly affect the moves.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Does this make megas unique in that they are technically a twice per battle if stacked with Z-Moves?
        No they are just two different categories of super move with one use each.
        >But Z-Moves, Dynamax, and Terastallization all directly affect the moves.
        Not linked to as in “you know what it means so don’t be a dipshit and claim Explosion is a once per battle super”

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        If the next big marketable thing doesn't effect a Pokemon's moves, then is it not a gimmick?
        But to answer the main topic, the colloquial meaning of gimmick in Pokemon is a marketable new power-up to sell new toys of Pokemon and/or roleplay items. If it's something that wouldn't be out of place in a toyline for a tokusatsu show, it's probably a gimmick.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >If the next big marketable thing doesn't effect a Pokemon's moves, then is it not a gimmick?
          I don't know if it would be tbh. "Gimmick" in this sense isn't referring to anything that's for marketing. The Alola Photo Club was a gimmick, does that mean it's in the same vein as Z-moves in the same gen? No.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      FPBP, no further elaboration needed. OP is a moron.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      This.
      The "Gimmicks" of the gen are basically referred to as the "shiny super saiyan button of nukes" during battle that started in Gen 6 with Megas. OP is just moronic.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >The "Gimmicks" of the gen
        How come megas are the only one to last their entire gen?

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          I know you're just being deliberately daft, but at this point It doesn't matter, they all function the same way since. No one here is going to sit here and argue with your Headcanon.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >they all function the same way since
            How come megas aren't usable by every Pokemon and function differently between them without affecting moves at all?
            How come Z-Moves/Dynamax/Tera all directly affect the moves?

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              Hey look, Z moves are the only ones without new forms. Look, I found a random difference and will now assert that it means a difference category of feature!
              You see how stupid this is? “How many Pokemon can use it” and “affecting moves” aren’t the criteria for what a gimmick actually is.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Hey look, Z moves are the only ones without new forms.
                Incorrect, Dusk Wing and Dawn Mane Necrozma require the use of Ultranecrozium Z to transform into Ultra Necrozma.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Frick me, got the form names mixed up, point still stands.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >lore
                Ok, then Dragon Ascent is affected by Megas

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Ok, then Dragon Ascent is affected by Megas
                How? The move functions exactly the same on a mega or non-mega.
                Wouldn't a more fair comparison be Battle Bond since it's the one that actually changes the move after the "transformation"?

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                You brought up lore, so I did too.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >You brought up lore, so I did too.
                I'm not the anon you first responded to or anything. But if we want to bring up lore then yeah Megas are still pretty distinguished because they don't have a link to any particular legendary.
                They're possible if Pokemon are alive at all ala infinity energy, there was like a whole subplot about this in ORAS bro.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                They’re linked to Rayquaza, but even still, that’s not what defines a gimmick. May I remind you that pokegays didn’t magically invent the term gimmick. It’s a business practice.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >They’re linked to Rayquaza
                No they aren't. Play ORAS.
                >May I remind you that pokegays didn’t magically invent the term gimmick. It’s a business practice.
                This is what I've been arguing from the start. Gimmicks didn't magically come into play when Mega Evolution was thrown out. Yet somehow the line is arbitrarily drawn at them despite how vastly mechanically different they are from the other "gimmicks"
                Then you have things in past gens that fit the same mould and definitely ARE gimmicks, but still aren't thrown in the mix. It's weird.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >No they aren't. Play ORAS.
                I did. They're linked.
                >mechanical differences
                don't change the definition of gimmick, which they still fit along with the others.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I did. They're linked.
                Weird because nowhere in the game is there any link between Rayquaza and the origin of Mega Evolution. They actually go against that and reaffirm that it was discovered purely because AZ fired the weapon by fueling it with genocide.

                they're linked to Xerneas and Yveltal

                >they're linked to Xerneas and Yveltal
                Let's say they expand the nature of gimmicks beyond moves and let you rewind entire turns in Gen 10. Does that make Dialga linked to the gimmick? What about Celebi?

                >Dragon Ascent isn't the sole cause of Rayquaza's Mega Evolution lore-wise.
                Never said it was. Just trying to show how "influencing moves lol" has zero bearing on what makes a gimmick a gimmick

                >Never said it was. Just trying to show how "influencing moves lol" has zero bearing on what makes a gimmick a gimmick
                But Megas don't influence moves

                >So are Z-Moves not a gimmick because you can use them in-game and Rotom lets you use more than one?
                No they are still a gimmick, Rotom is just a "super recharge".

                >No they are still a gimmick, Rotom is just a "super recharge".
                Yeah so "once per battle" seems incredibly arbitrary then. You can only use some moves once in a battle, does that make them gimmicks?

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >You can only use some moves once in a battle, does that make them gimmicks?
                No because every other move is part of your mon's four moves you give it.

                (P.S. what moves? Let me guess, EXPLOSION xDDDDDD

                >Does this make megas unique in that they are technically a twice per battle if stacked with Z-Moves?
                No they are just two different categories of super move with one use each.
                >But Z-Moves, Dynamax, and Terastallization all directly affect the moves.
                Not linked to as in “you know what it means so don’t be a dipshit and claim Explosion is a once per battle super”

                )

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                sketch

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                NTA, but you don't need to press large gimmick button to use the move sketch. You're really reaching now.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Smeargle's Leppa Berry activated
                >Having multiple Smeargles in your party with sketch
                Regardless why would that even count? The once per battle limitation is a result of a quality of the move (its PP) rather than a hard limitation imposed by the game (too powerful to let you use it more than once per battle)

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                That doesn't really answer the question. Why do Z-Moves/Dynamax/Terastal all alter moves while Megas don't?
                Are megas gimmicks but not the other three?

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Why do Z-Moves/Dynamax/Terastal all alter moves while Megas don't?
                >Are megas gimmicks but not the other three?

                Whether or not it alters moves, typing, or stats is not relevant to the overall categorization of being a gimmick.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >is not relevant to the overall categorization of being a gimmick.
                Can you stop moving the goalpost? What IS the categorization of being a gimmick?

                >rayquaza doesn't cause it!
                A legendary causing a gimmick isn't what defines a gimmick
                >Megas don't influence moves
                You realize you responded to a post that showed how they relate, right?
                Debunk this please[...]

                >Debunk this please

                >So what exactly is a gimmick?


                A Phenomenon you can tap into during a battle with a cringe new animation and is shilled at the beginning of each generation. /thread
                >A Phenomenon you can tap into during a battle with a cringe new animation and is shilled at the beginning of each generation. /thread
                What about out of battle? Does this mean Z-moves are the only gimmick? If it is an animation thing shilled at the beginning of a new gen does this mean shinies are also a gimmick because they do an animation and were a big part of Gen 2?
                How late is too late? Couldn't you say the same thing about the pledge moves since they also do their own animation when combined?

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >What IS the categorization of being a gimmick?

                It’s a once per battle “super” not linked to your 4 move slots

                I haven't moved the goalposts once, you keep resorting to increasingly fringe edge cases and I have to explain to you why that thing doesn't fit the classification.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >you keep resorting to increasingly fringe edge cases and I have to explain to you why that thing doesn't fit the classification.
                These are just the mechanics of what you're describing though
                >It’s a once per battle “super” not linked to your 4 move slots
                Every gimmick so far HAS been linked to the 4 move slots. Z-Moves, Dynamax, and Terastal all completely shift the power balance of the moves for every Pokemon.
                You have to do all sorts of mental gymnastics to include megas in the equation but not other mechanics like it. Why go through the effort when the most simple explanation makes the most sense?

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >the most simple explanation
                It has a big shiny button and can be used once per battle (barring fricking Rotom in single player) so it's a gimmick.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                You're just finding things that fit one of the categories, when fitting all of them is what categorizes a gimmick? That's like if I describe a car as a metal thing with four wheels and a motor, and then you say WAIT A HAMMER IS METAL SO IT'S ALSO A CAR! WAIT CERTAIN ROLLER BLADES HAVE FOUR WHEELS SO THEY'RE ALSO CARS! WAIT, PLANES HAVE ENGINES SO THEY ARE ALSO CARS!
                When none of these fit all three criteria.
                >What about out of battle? Does this mean Z-moves are the only gimmick?
                Out of battle is irrelevant. In battle was all that was mentioned.
                >Shinies
                Not a phenomenon you can tap into that enhances your Pokemon. I'll admit I forgot to mention that gimmicks do have some sort of boost, but the type of boost isn't really important (moves, stats,, etc.) so long as it's somehow advantageous.
                >How late is too late?
                I don't know what you're referring to.
                >pledge moves
                No, because animation isn't the only standard I mentioned.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                revival blessing

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >rayquaza doesn't cause it!
                A legendary causing a gimmick isn't what defines a gimmick
                >Megas don't influence moves
                You realize you responded to a post that showed how they relate, right?
                Debunk this please

                >So what exactly is a gimmick?
                A Phenomenon you can tap into during a battle with a cringe new animation and is shilled at the beginning of each generation. /thread

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >A Phenomenon you can tap into during a battle with a cringe new animation and is shilled at the beginning of each generation.
                the mega evolution animate is pog not cringe. checkmate

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                It's the cringiest anime hit I have ever seen. As soon as I saw it the first time I knew this was it for Pokemon's originality.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                skill issue

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                How the frick is that a skill issue? it's my opinion about an animation.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                they're linked to Xerneas and Yveltal

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Imagine sperging out because people use the term gimmick and not "phenomenon". Who cares you stupid moron.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >They’re linked to Rayquaza
                rayquaza just a meteorite. Mega stones are space rocks with no relation to him

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Dragon Ascent isn't the sole cause of Rayquaza's Mega Evolution lore-wise. In ORAS, it took Rayquaza acquiring an incredible amount of power so that it could Mega Evolve on its own accord, and that was originally achieved through the collective wishes of Hoenn in ancient times powering a Rainbow Stone that Rayquaza drew power from, later re-accomplished in the present day through the energy Rayquaza got from eating the Rainbow Stone obtained from Mt. Chimney. But even then, Rayquaza only Mega Evolved once you earned its trust to wield that power responsibly.
                Other Rayquaza being able to Mega Evolve after completing Delta Episode despite not having eaten the Rainbow Stone is gameplay segregation, likewise for Mega Rayquaza's presence in the Alola games. You could simply interpret the absence of Mega Rayquaza in SWSH onward as Rayquaza not trusting these foreign trainers to wield its power responsibly, and thus it remains in its standard form even while it can utilize its alleged true power in the form of Dragon Ascent.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Dragon Ascent isn't the sole cause of Rayquaza's Mega Evolution lore-wise.
                Never said it was. Just trying to show how "influencing moves lol" has zero bearing on what makes a gimmick a gimmick

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Hey look, Z moves are the only ones without new forms.
                So wait are you saying Tera doesn't have new forms either? Can gimmicktards come up with an argument that isn't "d-doesn't count!!"

                >deflects again
                Anon, this isn’t very hard. Gimmicks are still gimmicks where you use them across games and/or generations or not. That’s not what makes a gimmick a gimmick. Once again, a difference that makes no difference is not a difference. Same goes with the move slots, availability with all mons, and regionalism. Give me one way that distinguishes Megas as any more or less of a GIMMICK than the other three. I didn’t ask for you to find whatever difference you could, because that doesn’t mean anything.

                >Give me one way that distinguishes Megas as any more or less of a GIMMICK than the other three
                >Usable in multiple gens, not mutually exclusive from other "gimmicks"
                >Mega forms are given unique categorization in places that you'd think would give equal attention to Gigantamax forms too
                >Don't function similarly to the other gimmicks if they are one. Only one to be fine-tunable on a per-mon basis and not have anything to do with moves whatsoever
                The list goes on.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Tera has new forms because of Ogerpon and Terapagos :^)

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              For someone who claims to know what gimmicks are, you sure do ask alot of questions. Is this some sort of Chewbacca defense?

  2. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    it's the third one
    there are very few exact definitions, words mean what people agree them to mean

  3. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Wonder Launcher, while similar to all that followed, was not usable in the single-player campaign. The player couldn’t use it, and no major battles in the story feature it. The generation it was introduced in didn’t base its entire identity off of it. These are qualities that all of the other gimmicks share, to varying extents.
    >Mega Evolution is seen as this sacred thing forged by the bond between people and Pokémon
    >Z-Moves are a huge part of Alola’s culture
    >Dynamax is the basis of Galar’s sport competitions, which is a central piece of the region’s culture
    >Terastallization, while a relatively new development (about 10 years in-universe), is something that seems to have spread throughout Paldea, alongside being unique to it. All the major trainers (your rivals, the Gym Leaders, E4, etc) in-game use it.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >The player couldn’t use it, and no major battles in the story feature it
      So wait does this mean megas aren't either since they're typically cited as not being used very much?
      >The generation it was introduced in didn’t base its entire identity off of it
      Or does this make megas a gimmick, but Z/Dyna/Tera not gimmicks? Because the only thing we can call a "generational" thing in this sense in megas since both XY and ORAS did hinge some of their identity on it as a selling point.
      But then what about LGPE which had megas but no Z-Moves in Gen 7, or BDSP/PLA which had no Dynamax in Gen 8?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >So wait does this mean megas aren't either since they're typically cited as not being used very much?
        They are used a lot in Gen 6. Just not by the opponents.
        You're given access to this thing before your (secondary) starter can even evolve to a point where you can use it, just to make sure you can use it as soon as possible.
        Given the boost it gives, it really should be reserved for a later point, but they don't care, the gimmick has to be accessible as soon as reasonably possible.

  4. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Wonder Launcher out of no where

  5. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Wait, the image is not counting BD/SP as actual remakes?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Nah it's an old image. But the principle still applies. Where did people get the idea that remakes would ever include gimmicks?
      >The alleged "Sinnoh remake coming next" didn't happen with Z-Moves
      >LGPE didn't have Z-Moves either
      >BDSP didn't have Dynamax

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Where did people get the idea that remakes would ever include gimmicks?
        ORAS

  6. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    First one.
    Wonder Launcher absolutely is a battle gimmick, it’s just not in the campaign and it’s never forced upon you, so no one gives a shit.
    People started having issues when the campaign spends an egregious amount of time showcasing the gimmick

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Nah it's an old image. But the principle still applies. Where did people get the idea that remakes would ever include gimmicks?
      >The alleged "Sinnoh remake coming next" didn't happen with Z-Moves
      >LGPE didn't have Z-Moves either
      >BDSP didn't have Dynamax

      Gee, it’s almost like Megas were the original gimmick.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Thats, for all intents and purposes, correct.
        Wonder Launcher would just be the “well technically” answer, but not one anyone normal cares about. Megas were the start of the whole battle gimmick stuff that’s been a plague on Pokemon since

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          I’d go farther. There have always been niche features like wonder launcher. Gimmicks are features, but not all features are gimmicks. Gimmicks are shilled.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          i'd argue z-moves were what cemented the gimmick trend, with gen 7's complete abandonment of megas being what justifies their retroactive inclusion

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Ehh, it cemented a trend simply because it was the 2nd battle gimmick.
            Can’t make a line with one point and all.

  7. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Outs the first one, except buttons don’t mean shit and they have to be shilled. That’s how we ended up with Megas, Z Moves, Gmax, and Tera. It would help if you look up what a gimmick is. It isn’t a word pokefans magically invented to describe buttons or moves. It’s a business practice if anything.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >It isn’t a word pokefans magically invented to describe buttons or moves. It’s a business practice if anything.
      Yeah I agree with this. Gimmicks do exist and have always been a part of the series since contests or genders or anything.
      The headscratcher is that somehow people have taken Z-Moves, Dynamax, and Terastallization while putting them in the same box as megas when they by and far achieve very different things, nor are they mutually exclusive since SM/USUM had Megas AND Z-Moves.
      What defines the "battle gimmick" criteria poketards swear by? Shouldn't you expect there to be a "Gigantamax" category right by Megas?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah Gigantamax and Mega Evolution have the exact same critera (press button, change form at the beginning of the turn) and yet Megas are still given preferential treatment even in the services that started while Gigantamax was the current hotness and Megas were out. How?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Give me any metric where Megas seperate themselves from the other three that imply any more or less “gimmickness”.
        but first, let me remind you that a difference that makes no difference is not a difference

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Give me any metric where Megas seperate themselves from the other three that imply any more or less “gimmickness”.
          Look at the image you just responded to. What makes Mega Evolution worthy of an entire category but not Gigantamaxes?
          Or like

          Wonder Launcher, while similar to all that followed, was not usable in the single-player campaign. The player couldn’t use it, and no major battles in the story feature it. The generation it was introduced in didn’t base its entire identity off of it. These are qualities that all of the other gimmicks share, to varying extents.
          >Mega Evolution is seen as this sacred thing forged by the bond between people and Pokémon
          >Z-Moves are a huge part of Alola’s culture
          >Dynamax is the basis of Galar’s sport competitions, which is a central piece of the region’s culture
          >Terastallization, while a relatively new development (about 10 years in-universe), is something that seems to have spread throughout Paldea, alongside being unique to it. All the major trainers (your rivals, the Gym Leaders, E4, etc) in-game use it.

          said. If the generation doesn't base its entire identity on it, does that make Megas a gimmick but not Gigantamax?

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            How about answer the question directly? morons at ILCA forgetting Gmax forms being forms has more bearing on your judgement than the standard of what gimmicks are? Both of them are new forms anon. Please just answer the question without deflecting like an autist.

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              >How about answer the question directly? morons at ILCA forgetting Gmax forms being forms
              Okay so let's assume ILCA just forgor
              Why did Gen 7's remake have megas instead of Z-Moves? Why did Gen 8's remake not include Dynamax?
              How come Megas are the only thing that is neither explicitly tied to a particular region nor is usable by every Pokemon?
              >Please just answer the question without deflecting like an autist.
              You're projecting here. People ask these questions all the time and gimmickgays can never answer it.

              FPBP, no further elaboration needed. OP is a moron.

              >FPBP, no further elaboration needed. OP is a moron
              Not OP but how come Z-Moves, Dyna, and Tera all ARE linked to the 4 move slots? Does this mean Megas AREN'T a gimmick?

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >deflects again
                Anon, this isn’t very hard. Gimmicks are still gimmicks where you use them across games and/or generations or not. That’s not what makes a gimmick a gimmick. Once again, a difference that makes no difference is not a difference. Same goes with the move slots, availability with all mons, and regionalism. Give me one way that distinguishes Megas as any more or less of a GIMMICK than the other three. I didn’t ask for you to find whatever difference you could, because that doesn’t mean anything.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Megas were in two gens, so the gimmick lasted longer and could've become a staple mechanic if not for Dexit
          pretty sure Megas have shown up in spinoffs far more often than the other gimmicks too

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Hey look, Z moves are the only ones without new forms.
            So wait are you saying Tera doesn't have new forms either? Can gimmicktards come up with an argument that isn't "d-doesn't count!!"
            [...]
            >Give me one way that distinguishes Megas as any more or less of a GIMMICK than the other three
            >Usable in multiple gens, not mutually exclusive from other "gimmicks"
            >Mega forms are given unique categorization in places that you'd think would give equal attention to Gigantamax forms too
            >Don't function similarly to the other gimmicks if they are one. Only one to be fine-tunable on a per-mon basis and not have anything to do with moves whatsoever
            The list goes on.

            >they used it more!
            Doesn’t make it any more or less of a gimmick. Duration or region of use doesn’t change the feature.
            >categorized differently!
            doesn’t change the feature itself, so it doesn’t determine if it is a gimmick or not
            >functions differently!
            They all function differently in their own ways. Shit bait
            >fine-tunable
            This doesn’t mean anything in terms of making it any less of a gimmick. This is an arbitrary difference on the caliber of differences that they all have.
            >doesn’t affect moves!
            This doesn’t mean anything in terms of making it any less of a gimmick. This is an arbitrary difference on the caliber of differences that they all have.

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Duration or region of use doesn’t change the feature.
              So are eggs a gimmick or not?

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                No because they aren't a once per battle super.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >No because they aren't a once per battle super.
                So are Z-Moves not a gimmick because you can use them in-game and Rotom lets you use more than one?

                Tera has new forms because of Ogerpon and Terapagos :^)

                Yeah this is what I'm saying. Z/Tera/Dyna all have special forms for some, yet they're still never categorized alongside megas. Weird.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >So are Z-Moves not a gimmick because you can use them in-game and Rotom lets you use more than one?
                No they are still a gimmick, Rotom is just a "super recharge".

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                No because they don’t fit this

                This.
                The "Gimmicks" of the gen are basically referred to as the "shiny super saiyan button of nukes" during battle that started in Gen 6 with Megas. OP is just moronic.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >No because they don’t fit this

                This.


                The "Gimmicks" of the gen are basically referred to as the "shiny super saiyan button of nukes" during battle that started in Gen 6 with Megas. OP is just moronic.
                Seems pretty arbitrary. I get Megas being a super saiyan button but how are Z-Moves/Dynamax/Tera the same thing? The latter all have some minor flare to the poke itself but don't really alter their strategy or stats. Just the power of the moves.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                they are all big, flashy nukes, much like Super Saiyan/Spirit Bomb/some other anime comparison

  8. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    The true definition is that a gimmick is a marketing ploy that's meant to help "personalize" each new region for the current generation of Japanese children, giving them a sense of attachment to Pokemon that allows them to feel like it's truly "their game" and in turn encourage more sales.
    This ideology stems from the turbulent period in the early 2010's when Japanese kids considered Pokemon to be a franchise for old geezers, which is precisely why Yo-Kai Watch was able to scoop them up for a little while and completely mog Pokemon's relevancy among the intended audience in Japan.
    Mega Evolution is an odd one because they hadn't yet found their groove nor did they have this ideology in place yet since they didn't anticipate YKW to captivate Japan's kids. But it still played a key role in shaping their approach going forward as it was initially conceived for ALL fans, but they failed to make it feel "personal" to the kids because the mechanic wasn't exclusive to Kalos and instead became dissonant due to later re-emerging in Hoenn, in a remake that was primarily perceived as fanservice for older players.
    This is why starting with Z-Moves, they began creating gimmicks that, as far as mainline goes, are strictly only present in that single region, and wouldn't you know it, combined with all the aspects of Yo-Kai Watch they shamelessly lifted, the Alola games were a massive success in bringing the kids back, and that later inspired them to do similar things such as Galar's Dynamax and Paldea's Terastal.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I’d go farther. There have always been niche features like wonder launcher. Gimmicks are features, but not all features are gimmicks. Gimmicks are shilled.

      So one of the flagship things of Johto and Gen 2 is the inclusion of Pokemon Eggs. Does that mean Megas and Eggs are gimmicks? That would line up since Megas also weren't restricted to a single generation and outlasted other things typically considered a "gimmick" like Z-Moves in the same gen. Not unlike how Eggs were around but randomly get dropped some games like PLA did.

      i'd argue z-moves were what cemented the gimmick trend, with gen 7's complete abandonment of megas being what justifies their retroactive inclusion

      >with gen 7's complete abandonment of megas being what justifies their retroactive inclusion
      This is the other thing that confuses me. Gen 7 went out of their way to rebalance Megas and the entire battle system's handling of the speed calculation for them; even then, they still existed and outlasted Z-Moves which is SUPPOSED to be Gen 7's gimmick. What gives?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        I probably should have clarified better, but the personalization ideology I referred to only truly came into effect with Sun and Moon, that's when we started getting what we can definitively refer to as gimmicks.
        Megas are more akin to the prototype, but fans retroactively consider them to be a gimmick despite not fitting the commonality (only usable in a single region, a phenomenon that can affect ALL species of Pokemon but a scarce few species have unique variations of the phenomenon, etc.) that would be established with Z-Moves.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        No you moronic monkey, because they didn't go to the arse of making fricking daycare playsets to go along with the addition of Eggs, but did sell shitty plastic mega bangles IRL for kids. Then replaced them with Z-Ring toys (till parents freaked about needing to buy the upgraded model with USM's version of the Z-ring).
        In case you missed it, eggs are still a thing in 2023 core pokémon games. Mega evolution is only in spin-offs.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >they didn't go to the arse of making fricking daycare playsets to go along with the addition of Eggs
          Poketch-friends.. I don't feel so good....

  9. 3 months ago
    Anonymous
  10. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >So what exactly is a gimmick?
    A phenomenon you can tap into during a battle that’s shilled heavily at the start of an Gen and has a cringe, flashy animation. /thread

  11. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >So what exactly is a gimmick?
    A Phenomenon you can tap into during a battle with a cringe new animation and is shilled at the beginning of each generation. /thread

  12. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >I took a break during Gen 8 so I don't really understand why the last one seems to be the consensus
    Because you're moronic. Everything about this post just tells me you're choosing to be obtuse like the majority of the fanbase these days.

  13. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Also why do people keep thinking remakes will have X new gimmick even three gens later when that has never been the case?
    >never been the case
    >ORAS
    >Megas
    Stop being moronic

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Complain that people use the term Gimmick
      >Try and be as Obtuse as possible
      >resort to repeating constant redundant questions
      >Argue with Facts presented with [HEADCANON]
      >Has to resort to bringing up "eggs" and "sketch" as an argument
      >Pic related is OP face when he can't admit that's he a moron that's wrong

      OP has to be one to the dumbest posters in /vp/. At least Shaun has a purpose, you just want people argue with your headcanon.

      Just answer the questions.
      If megas are a gimmick and set the precedent for all other gimmicks, why didn't the Gen 7 or 8 remakes have the gimmicks of those "gens" and why did Gen 7 have megas instead?

      Overpowered expendable bullshit. Gimmicks don't move the series forward, they're just there to look pretty in trailers and then get trashed for the next gimmick.

      I can agree with this because megas really were the last meaningful addition to the battle formula. Everything since has either stripped it to prop up a new gimmick that's dropped for flavor next game anyway.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        You answer my question first. If it's NOT a gimmick, then why do they see it as a discardable feature?

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          megas aren't discarded though? They were in the gen 8 anime, they are in masters, they are in super mystery dungeon, they are in go. Their lack of inclusion is gen 8 is the outlier most likely because of the laziness that caused the dexcut

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >megas aren't discarded though?
            Where are the Megas in Gen 9?

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            We're in gen 9. Dex cut doesn't mean shit because a Pokemon's inclusion means its entire evolution line comes with it, and megas aren't considered a normal part of the line. Are you going to continue this babble when gen 10 gives us three gens in a row without the mega gimmick?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >megas really were the last meaningful addition to the battle formula
        No, megas was also flashy overpowered bullshit that was scrapped to make way for the next iteration of flashy overpowered bullshit.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >megas was also flashy overpowered bullshit that was scrapped to make way for the next iteration of flashy overpowered bullshit
          but megas and z-moves coexisted for two mainline games?

          >megas aren't discarded though?
          Where are the Megas in Gen 9?

          indigo disk dlc 🙂

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            You have the DLC?

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >but megas and z-moves coexisted for two mainline games?
            That's rather disingenuous. Megas were pushed to the post-game in SM and the leultrachanges game. I'm willing to bet that by that point they hated megas and it's what pushed them over the edge for the dexcut.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Just answer the questions!

        Pic related is quite literally you.
        Phenomenons/Gimmicks have been explained to you multiple times already. Infact, the very first post in this thread does this quite well. How many times do you intend to shit up this board with this moronation?

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >your pic
          Pretty much. I'm saying 2 + 2 = 4 but gimmicktards are trying to convince everyone it actually equals 4.5 because of some imaginary criteria.
          What makes megas similar?

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >imaginary criteria.

            Your telling me the giant shiny gimmick button that's been around since Gen 6 to Gen 9 has been just a part of my imagination?

  14. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Complain that people use the term Gimmick
    >Try and be as Obtuse as possible
    >resort to repeating constant redundant questions
    >Argue with Facts presented with [HEADCANON]
    >Has to resort to bringing up "eggs" and "sketch" as an argument
    >Pic related is OP face when he can't admit that's he a moron that's wrong

    OP has to be one to the dumbest posters in /vp/. At least Shaun has a purpose, you just want people argue with your headcanon.

  15. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Overpowered expendable bullshit. Gimmicks don't move the series forward, they're just there to look pretty in trailers and then get trashed for the next gimmick.

  16. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >megas weren't in S&S
    >megas weren't in PLA
    >megas weren't in BDSP
    >megas weren't in SV
    >i-it's a fluke!!
    lol
    megas have long been discarded in the real games.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Games with megas since creation:
      >XY
      >ORAS
      >SM
      >USUM
      >Let's Go
      >Super PMD
      >GO
      >Unite
      >MastersEX
      >PMD DX
      >Shuffle
      >Rumble World
      >Picross
      >Pokken
      Games without megas since creation:
      >SwSh
      >PLA
      >BDSP
      >SV

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        wow, so four mainline games with megas before the dexcut and then every mainline game without megas since the dexcut?
        you're convincing me so hard right now

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          5 mainline games but clearly counting isn't your strong suit

          Wow, and it looks like there was a cutoff date.

          when would that be again? btw unite came out in 2021 with megas 🙂

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >he thinks a mobile game is mainline
            lolzoomers

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              XY, ORAS, SM, USUM, Let's go are the mainline games. Not sure which one you think is a mobile game.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                lgpe only has megas because GO had them. same deal with the waggle catching and meltan, it was made explicitly to bait phone zoomies into buying a switch.
                mainline games have held items and abilities and wild battles. legpiss is a glorified mobile game.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                I shouldn't be surprised that you are as pedantic about what is mainline as you are about what should be considered a one off gimmick

                You listed handheld games. Mobile games are phone games.

                I genuinely have no idea what point you are trying to make? Yes those are all main line games. None of them are mobile games. Which is why I asked which one the person I was replying to thought was a mobile game

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                You listed Master SEX and Unite. Mobile games.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                No where did I claim those games were mainline. I only claimed those games came out after SwSh and featured megas. My statement about 5 mainline games over the miscounted 4 had nothing to do with the mention of those games

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                5 mainline games but clearly counting isn't your strong suit
                [...]
                when would that be again? btw unite came out in 2021 with megas 🙂

                Games with megas since creation:
                >XY
                >ORAS
                >SM
                >USUM
                >Let's Go
                >Super PMD
                >GO
                >Unite
                >MastersEX
                >PMD DX
                >Shuffle
                >Rumble World
                >Picross
                >Pokken
                Games without megas since creation:
                >SwSh
                >PLA
                >BDSP
                >SV

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Thanks for the (you)'s but you might want to put words in your post if you want people to understand you schizo ramblings 🙂

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Those posts you made clearly have the mobile games that I listed. What is your problem? Genuinely.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Those posts you made clearly have the mobile games that I listed
                yeah
                >What is your problem? Genuinely.
                you're misrepresentation of my statements. You claim that I called mobile game mainline which I did not do. If you can't see that I recommend rereading all of the posts you tagged really slowly.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                you must be really autistic if you're confusing me with that guy.
                maybe anonymous imageboards aren't the best place for you to astroturf.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                I you are truly not the anon who I was talking to then why would you enter the conversation without even the smallest attempt to know what you are talking about? Just accept that you have the reading comprehension of a five year old and made a mistake.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                i'm not the guy that started this reply chain holy shit you autist

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >avoiding the question
                I accept your concession

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                i am the anon you were talking to.
                you're confusing me with that other guy.
                i'm the one that called you out for your mobilegayging.
                is this clear enough for you, sperg?

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Shut up. I'm done replying to you now.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                a new challenger approaches o.O

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                i leaccept your leconcession

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Not that anon but isn't it just a little weird that Megas get their own category alongside shinies and regionals, access to the model viewer, dedicated listings, etc. but not Gigantamax forms?

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                It is. Gingantamax was basically megas but big. They should've included the megas as a gingantamax form, but because Gamefreak is moronic they didn't.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >lgpe only has megas because GO had them
                GO didn't have them until TWO YEARS LATER.
                What are you smoking? It should have had Z-Moves if megas were comparable, I mean they even had Mina in there to give them to you or some shit. The fact is they're not the same lol

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                You listed handheld games. Mobile games are phone games.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        You just proved that anon's point moron.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Wow, and it looks like there was a cutoff date.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >megas have long been discarded in the real games.
      You'd think they would categorize them with Kalos Pokemon or something like Gigantamax forms then.

  17. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >what exactly is a gimmick?
    these:
    >Megas, Z-Moves, Dynamax, and Tera
    I really don't understand your objection to something 95% of people agree with when the other 5% is dillusional megagays trying to create special conditions for their shitty gimmick not to be called a shitty gimmick.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      But the irony in your statement is that you're making special conditions here. The simplest thing is:
      >Thing created to sell new region that makes moves go boom
      and if you want to get specific, then yeah. Every gimmick so far has been
      >Strictly tied to a single region's marketing and some legendary in it
      >Usable by every Pokemon with some minor favoritism in "exception cases"
      It really doesn't get any more simple than that. How do megas fit the mold and why can gimmickgays never explain why it does?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's always the same with megagays, somehow their flashy temporary power-up is different and special. The only thing that's different and special are megagays.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >It's always the same with megagays, somehow their flashy temporary power-up is different and special.
          It's kinda not, is the problem. Megas are always treated alongside other unique regular forms like regionals without missing a beat.
          The gimmicks are always the ones being pushed as "special" and "different" even though they quite literally are all the same take.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Megas are alwaya [FANFIC]

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              If Megas are the Gen 6 mechanic and Dynamax is the Gen 8 mechanic how come Ash got Mega Evolution in Gen 8 here?

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >If Pokemon isn't gen 8, then why did Ash travel to it in Journeys?

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                actually a good question. How did the anime staff get away with it without musada having a shit fit?

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'm just saying. How does the protagonist not get something that was supposedly a flagship feature of the gen/region in question?
                Why randomly bring it up out of the blue later? If Ash Greninja was analogous to megas they could have just asspulled it back.

  18. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Argument from repetition is a logical fallacy in which an argument or premise is stated and restated until no opposition cares to discuss it anymore. Since no one is speaking out against this claim, it appears as if everyone agrees with it.

    Just to let you know, he's baiting for (you)'s at this point. He's content with just calling everyone a "gimmickgay" because he knows you can't really argue with someone's headcanon. He's been shitting up the board for awhile now everytime Megas come up and tries to derail threads with this moronation. He's 100% intends to keep making these threads in the future even though he knows he's not going to convince anyone otherwise. He knows but tries to deny it because he's a dumb moron. "Once a battle Power" with a big shiny button UI- that's all really. Phenomenons or Gimmicks started with Gen 6 and is even refered to again as one in Gen 9 with Roaring Moons Dex Entry. Doesn't matter if Megas stayed for an Extra Gen or whatever nonsense he's trying to spew, they activate the same way and are advertise as such. You know he's reaching when he brings up Eggs and Doubles as an argument and now he's just ignoring points he can't retort. OP is a moronic homosexual, never take his threads seriously in the future.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >now he's just ignoring points he can't retort
      btw the pic you posted was in reference to how megas are different. Can you explain how they're the same?

  19. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    REMINDER

  20. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    New opinion. The only gimmick is Ash-Greninja since it was the only one to be completely retconned out of existence

  21. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    New opinion. LGPE is the only main series game because it's the only Switch game with megas.

  22. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >probably have dynamax
    god i wish that was the worst thing to worry about
    just look at what we got instead, good lord.

  23. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >gen 4 hasn't had it's remake yet
    still waiting for it.

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