So why was the water ending the most correct ending?

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because James is a pussy so he killing himself just works

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You sound real tough.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >James
        >confronting his figurative and literal demons in the end
        >pussy
        lol. lmao

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I am

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Cause what the frick else was he gonna do?
    You honestly expect him to just leave and go back to being a cashier or whatever?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      since it's canon that he has mary in his car, the leave ending implies that he burried her in the cementery and went off to continue with his life, pay for it daily etc

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >leave ending implies that he burried her in the cementery
        no, the implication is that her body permanently disappeared due to SH
        her body only reappears in the endings where he doesn't leave SH

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >since it's canon that he has mary in his car
        have a nice day

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm glad I got it on my own first playthrough without looking up a guide.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Pretty sure its the easiest ending to get if you're playing blind

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The Japanese and also westerners in more contemporary times see suicide as a viable escape route.

        I got leave first, I'm sticking to that one.

        Water ending makes the intrigue and events of the game pointless. James might as well have an heroed at the start of the game.

        >learning to live with all your past mistakes
        We're atheists here, sir.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Leave is the easiest, In Water requires you to stay at low health constantly, repeatedly check Angela's knife, and not miss the diary on the hospital roof or the audio recording in the hotel

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >repeatedly check Angela's knife
          Once is enough

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That's what I thought, I didn't remember checking it more than once. I got in water on my first playthrough because I'm autistic about exploring everything

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Got water my first play through. I consistently healed any time I took damage, only received 120 dmg total, found every memo except There Was A Hole here, and exampled every item just once
          The ending you get for 100%ing the game is the canon ending, simple as. Only non-gamers would claim otherwise.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            > One ending has to be the REAL ending
            > IDGAF if all the endings help you understand the story
            Why are people like this?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Because SH2 is too shit of a game to justify getting more than one ending in, unlike 3 or 1.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You don't need to watch James drive into the ocean to know he's depressed lol. You don't need to watch James hallucinate Maria one more time to know he's stuck in a delusion. In Water and Maria are as non-canon as the Dog ending. Leave is the only ending where there's a resolution to the character arc.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Leave is the only ending that proves that James is a psychopath, he literally went to Silent Hill, caused Eddie and Angela to die, kidnapped a little girl and ran away like he always does. He never even needed to enter Silent Hill, all he had to do was get back in his car and drive back home, at least this way Eddie and Angela wouldn't lose their lives.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                James drove to Silent Hill to kill himself originally. It was the delusion that made him think she was still alive and somewhere within Silent Hill when she was actually in the back seat of his car. He never drove there just because.
                >caused Eddie and Angela to die
                Both of them caused their own demise. James acted in self-defense against Eddie and Angela killed herself while James wanted to save her.
                >kidnapped a little girl
                Saved her. Laura was Mary's adopted daughter and her being in Silent Hill is dangerous for a child.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Laura doesn't see the monsters
                To her it's an empty town

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Do you think an empty town is safe for a child, anon?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Whats gonna hurt her?
                She got around just fine it seems

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            i played exploring everything and playing on hard hard difficulty, i was ofcourse on low hp a lot due to the nature of the difficulty
            >gamer difficulty + exploration leads to canon ending
            good devs

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Water ending makes the intrigue and events of the game pointless. James might as well have an heroed at the start of the game.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I find it odd that in one scene, just minutes before the ending, he mentions he would never kill himself only to end up killing himself anyway.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's something suicidal people often do, it seems.
      More or less the same as closet homos and their mental gymnastics.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He doesn't like the stigma and is afraid to do it; however, he finds he is capable of it in one end.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >he mentions he would never kill himself only to end up killing himself anyway.

      He said that while he was in state of delusion that he was a hero meeting his wife in their special place

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >He said that while he was in state of delusion that he was a hero meeting his wife in their special place
        He says that five minutes after he realizes the truth about his wife's death. Play the game moron.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No it's not. Leave is the "canon" ending for James.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Whats the canon ending for Laura then?
      Shes the only human who doesnt die or is implied to have died

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Possessed ending or Normal ending, Ganker?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I like normal
      Possessed is stupid

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The ending is a mess in SH3. Normal is less bad.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Normal ending. Heather is the protagonist in this series that genuinely deserves a "happy" ending. She might be currently a 17 year old girl, but because she's also Alessa she's been continually tortured by everyone and everything for 31 years. And unlike other weirdos tortured by the otherworld, like James who killed his wife, or Henry who wandered into the wrong place at the wrong time, Alessa/Heather/Cheryl legitimately did nothing wrong. And she never devolves into insanity or lets the otherworld break her, no matter how hard it tries. She might not be Harry's biological daughter, but if that man taught her anything, it's to persevere and carry on and do what needs to be done. If any Silent Hill protagonist deserves a good ending where everything finally sort of works itself out and comes to a good conclusion, it's Alessa/Heather. That's why I hope they never bring Heather back for another game. Her story is done. It ended the way it needed to.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I hope she sees this, bro.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Thanks anon. I hope she does too.
          t. Stanley

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        A shame what they did to 'arry. Done in by a jobber while watching the tele waiting for his daughter to come back home.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          True, but his death was a necessary catalyst to push Alessa/Heather to do what finally needed to be done. It wasn't the death of her b***h of a biological mother Dahlia that finally set the finale in motion, but the death of her adoptive father who shower her love when no one else did.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It wasn't the "most correct ending"
    Every ending is a cope..
    The game is literally about cope.
    Suicide is just one of the options.
    You can go crazy and blame it on aliens.
    You can turn to the occult.
    You can go find doG.
    You can have a nice day.
    You can live with a fantasy.

    Or you can accept what happened and leave. The 100% end. The "true" end. The "happy" end.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      For that matter, every ending is a true ending because each ending paints a picture of what the game is actually trying to say. One of the many reasons it is a narrative masterpiece.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      thats what I like to think of it at least, a hell in which traps you until you come to terms with what happened, though it's different when you take Angela into account since she didn't really do anything wrong unless it's implied she killed her father

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >a hell in which traps you until you come to terms with what happened,
        lol no
        literally just a nightmare that is real

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        She killed her father and brother after they abused her. IIRC you can find a newspaper article about it in the catacombs.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Eileen shaving

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >James literally says "I would never kill myself" in the last 10 mins of the game
    >last boss battle is literally him fighting Mary to symbolize him breaking the power the memory of her has on him
    >second to last boss battle has him falling to his knees, then getting back up and confronting two pyramid heads before coming to terms with the fact Silent Hill exists to punish him
    In Water makes zero fricking sense. If James was actually suicidal he would've just not fought the pyramid heads, Eddie, Mary, or any of the monsters in the game. In fact the first thing suicidal James would do is get up from the chair he watches the videotape in and hang himself. He doesn't do that obviously, because the whole game would be moronic and pointless if he did that.
    Angela and Eddie exist to represent non-canon endings like In Water and Rebirth. Laura, the only main character in the whole game to know the truth before James, represents Leave, and this is incredibly obvious through the reused melodies in Akira Yamaoka's excellent soundtrack, Leave ending's theme takes a lot from Laura's theme. The writers never thought to give Laura an ending if James dies, because they never cared about In Water and Leave was clearly the focus in the end product.

    WaterBOYS really need to LEAVE their mother's basement and realize their sappy shit ending sucks balls and is non canon.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah there's no suicide theming in the game at all

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      its almost like the demons he is fighting are in his head

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >demons he is fighting
        That's all you needed to say. Throughout the whole game he has been fighting his demons so it would pretty anti-climactic to job to them now, very OOC for James too given everything we know about him. No I don't care about your headcanon about him being suicidal either. Absolutely nothing he says points to that and the whole nature of the game suggests against it.

        Yeah there's no suicide theming in the game at all

        That's the labyrinth, the physical manifestation of Angela, James, and Eddie's mentalities. Yes James is the one holding the rope but it makes sense when you consider that In Water is Angela's ending and that whole area of the Otherworld is Angela's section of the labyrinth. It literally comes right after her Abstract Daddy boss fight. James' section of the Otherworld is the prison cells he meets Maria in for the second time. Literally most of the steps to get the In Water ending are Angela-related (the diary on the hospital rooftop is speculated to be Angela's diary, and the knife she gives James is necessary for the In Water ending).

        Some SH2 "fans" literally know as much about this game as Bloober does lmfao. Wouldn't surprise me if they ham up the In Water ending just for some cheap shock value, they all know the morons championing that non-canon ending gobble it up.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Both of your last two replies are nonsense bumps.

          The remaster looks like trash. I'm probably not buying it.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You don't have an argument pally 🙂 Back to Fortnite.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Want an argument?
              James is the only "real" character of the 3. Eddie is James's self-image and Angela is his idealized version of Mary. Both are figments of his mind's eye.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >James's idealized version of Mary is her being raped by her whole family through her childhood

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I wonder what kind of past Mary had.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                ...this anon is hitting gold right here.

                I always had this impression of Laura, Eddie, Maria, and Angela being representations of James' psyche, all Freudian-style. I think a hint of this were the tablets you picked up during the Jail-level.
                > James himself - Had the tablet 'The Oppressor'; pretty straightforward, even during the end of the game it humors the player's uncertainty with a "did James kill Mary due to own selfish reasons or to release her from her agony"
                > Laura - representing James'/Mary's innocence; at the end of it all, Mary just fell sick. These characters were put into this position and their following actions are what defined them, they had no word on being put into said position in the first place.
                > Eddie - Had the tablet of 'The gluttonous pig'; James' need for more after Mary got hospitalized and genuinely becoming a 'pig' himself aka not acknowledging the importance of other human beings
                > Maria - obviously, a representation of James' lust (but in some scenes, also his very apparent lack of care)
                > Angela - Had the tabled of 'The Seductress'; This one...this is a weird one for me, I am unsure because...to me it seems as if she was mainly representing Mary instead of James? It gets very apparent in one cutscene between Mary and James that on one hand she wants him to move on and leave her be, but on the other she still makes him cling onto her/she still actively 'seduces him' to stop him from moving on.

                This is what I got. Something I also always wondered about is how in the hell Walter Sullivan's narrative fits into all of this

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I mostly agree. Walter Sullivan, well...
                If you agree that Eddie could be James, then you could also agree that James may have gotten in trouble from drinking in the past. His sins may not end at Mary. At the same time, he is a real character in 4 so it may work to evaluate him both as a character in the overarching series but also completely forget that 4 happened when evaluating 2.
                Obsessing over continuity is going to screw people up here.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >This is what I got. Something I also always wondered about is how in the hell Walter Sullivan's narrative fits into all of this

                I think speculating about the lore and writing is fun and all, but I think SH series (the good ones at least) are first and foremost an aesthetic experience about horror in which the writing or the continuity are not necessarily the most important aspects.

                SH4 is clearly a different animal made with quite different things in mind. It doesn't necesarily align lore-wise.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I mostly agree. Walter Sullivan, well...
                If you agree that Eddie could be James, then you could also agree that James may have gotten in trouble from drinking in the past. His sins may not end at Mary. At the same time, he is a real character in 4 so it may work to evaluate him both as a character in the overarching series but also completely forget that 4 happened when evaluating 2.
                Obsessing over continuity is going to screw people up here.

                Oh, I recognized you two misunderstood my point. I am not schizo'ing out about "how could random Silent Hill 4 antagonist be related to SH2?". At the end of the day, SH2 is a game very clearly created with intend as it's main thematic, agree?

                Keep in mind, off of all the characters I listed, there are only a few others mentioned in Silent Hill 2 in total. All the others (nurses, patients, the doctor) make sense to me, besides "Walter Sullivan". You know, he was already mentioned in magazine articles and in the elevator scene. Do you think it was just an uncanny way of hinting what's to come? I feel like he had a bigger purpose in SH2, since he is also the only other character who specifically had a 'grave', but I can't draw the connection at all (maybe even because SH4 exists).

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I honestly think Walter in SH2 was just flavor text to make the universe of the world and its missery feel bigger and appropriately miserable.

                For Silent Hill 4 they probably went about creating a game where the villain got the spotlight personality-wise and then went back to choose this fella in order to have some connection to the rest of the series.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm honestly unsure. Refreshing myself I kind of think that it is just an actual bloodthirsty killer that James is comparing himself to. Something he is punishing himself with. "You are no better than this guy."

                I'm not ruling out the idea that he too represents part of James (a can of worms itself), but given that he only appears in writings and the quiz radio show, it stands to reason that he is someone who James has not interacted with at all.

                I don't really feel like it was foreshadowing at that point. If it was it was foreshadowing for a version of 3 that never came to be due to 2's lack of initial success, but that is wild speculation at that point.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Wouldn't surprise me if they ham up the In Water ending just for some cheap shock value, they all know the morons championing that non-canon ending gobble it up.
          In Water is literally the canon ending in the book written with input from the developers.
          Lol.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That's because the Japanese have always been pro-suicide, it is not a fate befitting Anglo James.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >written with input from the developers.
            Hiroyuki Owaku had nothing to do with the novel.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >So why was the water ending the most correct ending?
      People love it because they get to play armchair judge and condemn james for his sins

      This. If James was ready to join Mary in death he would have accepted judgement from the double Pyramid Heads. Instead he declares he's over it and fights for his life. He is ready to move on and accept the Leave ending.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Mary was fricking vile to James. Euthanasia was totally justified.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Euthanasia
          I don't think violently smothering someone without them knowing whats coming is the same thing

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Sick b***h probably came during it,

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >accepted judgement from the double Pyramid Heads
        you're a stupid homosexual that literally doesn't comprehend to the monologue right before the fight

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Enlighten me

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            James made PH to punish himself
            he's finally accepted what he has done and is ready to move on (in whatever way you played him as)
            so he states he doesn't need him anymore

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >he's finally accepted what he has done and is ready to move on
              Yeah exactly. KYS is not moving on, its giving in to your despair.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you need to be 18 to post here, babby

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Suicide is for literal teen kids and trannies, moron. Do us all a favor and summon your persona.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                cool ass response anon

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He finds the truth and comes to terms with it. Dying is just his solution we're he was running away before.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      In the eyes of the creators, he wasn't really supposed to get away with it. Leave ending was a courtesy.
      Silent Hill isn't a therapy session town.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Which creator specifically? Explain every ending other than suicide where James lives.

        Leave is the only ending where he actually comes to terms with what he did.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Which creator specifically?
          Team Silent.

          James comes plenty to terms with what he did for the In Water ending. He just opts to end his life instead of carrying living on like a le good boy ''because that's what's Mary would've wanted''. No, that's not what she would have wanted. She is a spiteful b***h who wouldn't mind him joining her. That's not a critique; just an observation.

          The only one that truly sucks for him is the leaving with Mary-ending, where he stays weak.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            least incel-ish post itt

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Anon was never the same after the divorce.
              JK he has never felt the touch of a woman, lmaoooo

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >t. Incel

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            > Team Silent
            Do you know what specific means? Team Silent isn't one dude. Not even Ito and Owaku were on the same page 100% judging from all the stuff Ito has said over the years.

            > James comes plenty to terms
            How? Its literally the selfish ending. He decides to ignore his wife's wishes and delude himself into joining up with his wife. It is the same escapist emotion that lead him to kill Mary

            > Mary is a spiteful b***h.
            Mary was a good woman who suffered a terminal illness and fell apart.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Do you know what specific means?

              Don't you think it's maybe a tiny bit fricking delusional to request that from a random stranger on this basketweaving forum?
              I don't agree with your other points, either. The information is from the making-of SH2 on the PAL version of the game, in which they discussed preferred endings. Again, In Water is their preferred ending, partly because of cultural reasons. They don't see survival or endurance as a necessarily positive trait. Sometimes the only option is death.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Considering people on the team have repeatedly stated there is no canon ending, no I don't think asking for a source is delusional.

                > Suicide is the preferred ending for cultural reasons
                Okay now I know you are just shitposting. Thanks. All I was looking for.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Don't take it from me. Watch the source I've provided you. It's on youtube, and a pretty interesting vid overal. Game development before the days of corporate soya.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                NTA but what source? I see link.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Leave is the only ending where he actually comes to terms with what he did.

          He still living in delusion, except the woman he loved is gone forever and he had to smash a bunch of fleshy creatures that probably smelled really bad with an iron pipe. Leave ending achieves absolutely nothing.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Someone didn't play the game.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Leave is the white man's ending.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Anon I.....

      I always choose leave because a happy ending goes best with the result screen music

      Nihilism
      Leave ending is the Christpilled ending where James repents and resurrects

      Basado.
      Suicide is the route of the coward, redemption is the path of men.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Suicide is not cowardly, it's an excess of courage.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Courage would be persevering through the pain regardless

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No, that's called coping.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yes, going through life is literally coping with your situation
              Always has been
              Always will be

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Would you even want to live in a world after surviving silent hill knowing that one traumatic event can send you to a literal hell on earth though?
                If you had this knowledge and knowing one bad life event can send you on a living nightmare trying to force you to live, why the frick would you want to live?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Because I'd be worried that suicide would trap my soul there forever, at least if you leave you can do your best to avoid trauma knowing what happens if it gets you.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >at least if you leave you can do your best to avoid trauma knowing what happens if it gets you
                You're not living.

                Find new meaning

                Have you found your woman anon?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I have actually
                If she died I would be devastated, but I'd keep moving forward eventually

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's not simply dying, you live a year or more clinging to her decaying body and mind until it wears on you and your soul.
                Unless of course, you're an unfeeling c**t who wouldn't even understand that trauma at all because you're the "more fish in the sea" type, then you'll be just fine huh.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So what, I HAVE to react to a situation in a certain way or I'm not a real human bean?
                Get real dude

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Even animals collapse and give up on life after losing a life partner in many cases, anon.
                Humanity isn't even the factor here, im not even sure what to call it. But if you can and are easily able to drop and continue after that then it calls into question how much you actually cared for them to begin wiht.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                People react to things differently
                Doesn't make you less or more human

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Some do sure, but not us.
                At least not in most cases, as twisted as it sounds.

                Killing yourself is taking responsibility for your failures. continuing life is just an extension of hell for literally no reason other than you are scared of actual hell. Cowards.

                >Killing yourself is taking responsibility for your failu-AACCKKKK!!!
                Picrel is me laughing at your wasted life.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You're not living
                Avoiding trauma doesn't mean going full Henry because that fricks you too.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Silent Hill is a town, it doesn't actively chase you
                I doubt James would ever end up back in Silent Hill if you were to take the Leave ending as canon

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Play The Short Massage, the "Silent Hill Phenomenon" can happen anywhere. It will follow James for all eternity.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's sh4:tr mumbo jumbo sect magick hijinks, not completely interwined with SH2's story.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The Short Massage
                I wish it was, a SH porn game would be based

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Lol
                Imagine taking anything that trash game said and putting it into the actual lore

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > Play the Brand New (tm) Game where we retroactively try to explain the continuity

                Thanks but no thanks.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I played Short Message and I don't remember seeing these documents anywhere. Do they only become apparent on a second playthrough?
                I dont think it really needs that much of an explanation either, it's just a cool surreal horror series. I get the devs sort of want a clean slate especially after Masahiro Ito discovered the schizophrenic version of the fanbase, but if they just want to do whatever they may as well go for it. Treat the PS1-2 games as their own "era" or canon, and move on.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >especially after Masahiro Ito discovered the schizophrenic version of the fanbase

                Now that Masahiro Ito is stuck in his own Silent Hill, he probably wants everyone to suffer

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Is that real?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I think so, I can't seem to find the tweet that made him mad in the first place but it was speculated to either be a joke or him lashing out at another dumb fan theory.
                I don't know if I could even blame him anymore, it'll make SH2 remake even more interesting just to see Ito VS the Silent Hill schizos.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                this is sad, braindamaged kids making up shit
                >ito makes actual art
                it is wasted on these people
                it would honestly make me stop thinking that my creation would be played and "analyzed" by these gays

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ito is legit autistic and clearly has his own vision of what's going on in the game and nobody has any clue if that's even correct since he never explains anything and just shits on everyone. Guy has serious problems like all artists.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I think so, I can't seem to find the tweet that made him mad in the first place but it was speculated to either be a joke or him lashing out at another dumb fan theory.
                I don't know if I could even blame him anymore, it'll make SH2 remake even more interesting just to see Ito VS the Silent Hill schizos.

                This guy literally can't handle fan theories in a game that provides barely any real ties to things. Imagine if the Fromsoft artist was like this and discovered any fanbase of any game he ever worked on. Shit is nuts and hilarious how autistic he is. He's just the artist. Frick does he know about any of this stuff and he's just a Francis Bacon ripoff anyway.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >in a game that provides barely any real ties to things
                LMAO
                brainlet, silenthill2 is unironically not open to discussion, it has everything laid out

                if you ask i will entertain and answer questions about the plot for the thread

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What's the hole and why isn't it there anymore

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                silent hill is everchanging, that writing is there for you as the player to understand that the town itself changes all the time depending on you and who it is
                >town differs for everyone
                >per individual, town changes depending on you
                "there was a hole here" was a clever and subtle way to make players realize this

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                But you're James, and still James, and the town changes? Isn't the Angela scene meant to spell that out? Why would they do that with something so insignificant when they already have something significant in it?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                People delude themselves into thinking they're more mature or better for liking depressing endings.

                t. Autism

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I am not Ito.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >But you're James, and still James, and the town changes?
                i can't help autism, but yeah; the town changes depending on how you are currently both emotionally and physically, are you always happy or sad anon?
                the events of the game affects the characters and the town changes accordingly
                >there are many parts in the game where it is subtley shown, iirc that hole message is quite early on

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I see, I see, now where is this laid out in plain lore that details it correctly and accurately so it's not just implied and interpreted from secondary and tertiary clues that one must infer understanding from?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you not being able to understand doesn't mean it isn't out there for you to understand
                >i played the game and understood these because i can think and connect the dots within the game

                i can understand why vidya essays are popular, the masses cant think

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I see, I see, but now refer to my original post that explains exactly that, and that Ito is basically being autistic with his own demands in understanding, in a game that we both agree relies on you inferring things to understand it, which must naturally, by the very fact of being indefinite, lead to deviation, to which he responds by being an autistic man child.
                Do you understand by point now that I have had to entertain your little manchild fit here to see it explained to you in the only way you can understand?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >inferring things to understand it
                yes that is what understanding is, you to we are computers with set outcomes?
                when you put two words together people understand what you mean LOL
                when people see blood people infer that someone bled
                we perceive and understand, if you aren't brainlet you can understand
                you have troubles understanding subtle and abstract things, and assume it is fully open to "making up your own understanding"

                it is funny how you are autistic and think others are the autists lol
                you are incapable of understanding

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Holy fricking cope

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Hey ito, care to clarify
                >FRICK OFF AND DIE PIGGU

                This is clearly normal and not autism

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Why is it a sixpack of grape juice?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                its just a puzzle stop overthinking about shit like that, you sound like the middleschool vidya essayists

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I was making fun of you.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ito is legit autistic and clearly has his own vision of what's going on in the game and nobody has any clue if that's even correct since he never explains anything and just shits on everyone. Guy has serious problems like all artists.

                Nah it's moreso what

                this is sad, braindamaged kids making up shit
                >ito makes actual art
                it is wasted on these people
                it would honestly make me stop thinking that my creation would be played and "analyzed" by these gays

                said. From what I have seen Ito is very wholesome. The real problem at hand is that you created a game 20 years ago for a generation that doesn't understand subtlety at all, meaning all of the twitter schizos, like they tend to be, keep harassing him even to the point of sending him death threats or really, and I can't stress this enough, R-E-A-L-L-Y moronic questions to the point of "Pyramid Head symbolizes James' sexual frustration right?", he has already answered aeons ago. It creates ridiculous scenarios where jackasses will disagree with him about the games he has fricking created.
                I think anybody would get annoyed with morons like that.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Men die fighting, boys give up and kill themselves.
          Hitler was a gay when he decided not to confront the soviets, deal with it.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Suicide is fighting yourself.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Suicide is failing to address your own faults, absolving yourself from the responsibilities of your mistakes.

              >Hitler was a gay when he decided not to confront the soviets, deal with it.

              And of course the edgy Chud immediately goes back to WW2 and talking about white nationalism

              It's true, tho.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Sometimes there is no absolution or redemption. Sometimes there is only darkness and death

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This is false, but even assuming it could sometimes be true it wouldn't be the case in the story of SH2, as evidenced by the obvious path set through the game finishing in the available endings.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                People in a suicidal mindset won't think of a way out even if it's clearly presented
                They don't want to acknowledge other options

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Americans can't handle realistic endings, all their media has to have a happy ending no matter what. It's cultural, so it's a waste of time to argue.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Silent, inwatercuck.

                If you want to shitpost it, Maria is the coomer ending. He basically stays in a dream of the past with his sexual fantasy version of his dead wife.

                after getting the leave ending, I'll scope for the rebirth ending.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Hitler was a gay when he decided not to confront the soviets, deal with it.

            And of course the edgy Chud immediately goes back to WW2 and talking about white nationalism

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            A man who is fit only to destroy, murder, and kill is better off killing himself.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You sound real tough.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Not that much of an accomplishment with walking soijaks like

              A man who is fit only to destroy, murder, and kill is better off killing himself.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            shove your toxic masculinity up your ass

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They hated him because he spoke the truth. We didn't progress as a species because men had the "excess of courage" to kill themselves, we got this far because men chose to sacrifice themselves. This "toxic masculinity" is why humanity is more than a mere ape today.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Well, no. Powerful people sacrifice others to make progress.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              We also didn't make it as a species because all boys kill themselves.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            to be fair he was drugged out of his mind for most of ww2

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I mean can you really blame him for dipping and chilling on a beach in Argentina instead?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The world and everyone in it would be better off if Kratos killed himself after killing Ares like he wanted to.

        James killing himself is viable, to me, in that his whole modus operandi is gone. Mary was his world so killing himself, to be with her, is romantic in a way. She asked him to live, selfishly, when she didn't consider that he genuinely loved and wanted to be with her. It's why he stuck around as long as he did, and inevitable did a mercy killing that destroyed himself. After everything he'd gone through in Silent Hill, what is there for him to live for?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Good post.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Find new meaning

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            This.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ask me how I know you never loved someone more than yourself

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          So you mean literally most of humanity?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'm a being of pure love.

          Sometimes there is no absolution or redemption. Sometimes there is only darkness and death

          Ow the edge.

          Cringe ending: Laura
          Wow you leave silent hill with all the blame on you and now you have to take care of some diseased orphan brat. You’ve learned nothing

          Based ending: water
          You acknowledge your sins but instead of chasing redemption you take responsibility and Seppuku. Clear and to the point.

          Chad ending: Maria
          Yeah you killed your hag of a wife and you kill her again cause you hate that b***h. Then you leave with your sexier version of your wife that you manifested from your mind. She starts coughing and you subtly threaten to kill her if she doesn’t get better.

          Sudoku is also gay as frick.
          Leave is the good ending, Maria is the best ending and rebirth is the GigaChad ending.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Faces his guilt during the pyramid head fight
    >5 minutes later he decides he cant live with himself
    Leave sounds more reasonable and its also the ending that gets the most points awarded internally on a first playthrough.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >>5 minutes later he decides he cant live with himself

      5 minutes later he decides to finish what he started. Killing Mary and committing suicide was always the original plan. Pyramid Head just helps him accomplish that.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        > crime of rage and passion
        > plan

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I always choose leave because a happy ending goes best with the result screen music

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nihilism
    Leave ending is the Christpilled ending where James repents and resurrects

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The moment you realize his wifes body is in the trunk of the car at the beginning of the game

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >moron thinks the body is in the trunk
      her body was on the backseat, but it disappeared once SH stuff started to happen and James went nuts

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The theme of game is death.

    Redditors just adopted it as their personal "defeating mental illness" game and SH2 became what we know today

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Depends what you mean by death. Silent Hill is a hell, definitely. However, James is not dead. Not yet.

      One of my favorite tweets by Masahiro Ito is him saying certain politicians should go to Silent Hill, but in order to do that they would actually have to have guilt.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What a Reddit statement for him to make. Anyway it's a retcon. In the first Silent Hill, the town itself is not supernatural, it was just a regular town until The Cult set up shop there and infected the place with numinous energy.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I mean, most NuSH fans think that the theme of the series is mental illness, but it's not and the theme of SH2 is clearly about dying and coming to terms with it, James simply deluded himself that he can be happy again

          Silent Hill 2 should be set apart from other entries when examining it. They went in a different direction from one and returned to form in 3 due to a lack of popularity in Japan at first.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          [...]
          Silent Hill 2 should be set apart from other entries when examining it. They went in a different direction from one and returned to form in 3 due to a lack of popularity in Japan at first.

          Silent Hill 2, as good as it is, was a mistake for this reason. So is Resident Evil 4 for that matter. Great game but it fricked the series until recently

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'd argue the mistake was not doubling down on it. A series shoudln't peak at its sequel. Then you are just Star Wars. Nobody wants that.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I mean, most NuSH fans think that the theme of the series is mental illness, but it's not and the theme of SH2 is clearly about dying and coming to terms with it, James simply deluded himself that he can be happy again

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    White men and suicide, name a more iconic duo.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Japanese and suicide.

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I remember playing SH2 right after high school. I got the In Water ending and I don't know it just really hit me hard and made me think about life.

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Only the dicky ending makes sense

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What, you're talking about rebirth?

      This.

      >mfw "she always waited for you, why?, why??"

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Killing yourself is taking responsibility for your failures. continuing life is just an extension of hell for literally no reason other than you are scared of actual hell. Cowards.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You first.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Well what are you waiting for coward?

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    there's literally no reason to get that ending unless you're an RPgay trying to dishonestly project your own sadboy homosexualry on to him or you just suck at the fricking video game.

    there's a reason Leave is the most common.

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because he has nothing to live for

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Cringe ending: Laura
    Wow you leave silent hill with all the blame on you and now you have to take care of some diseased orphan brat. You’ve learned nothing

    Based ending: water
    You acknowledge your sins but instead of chasing redemption you take responsibility and Seppuku. Clear and to the point.

    Chad ending: Maria
    Yeah you killed your hag of a wife and you kill her again cause you hate that b***h. Then you leave with your sexier version of your wife that you manifested from your mind. She starts coughing and you subtly threaten to kill her if she doesn’t get better.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >You’ve learned nothing
      my homie it's spelled out to you, how the frick do you, the player, not learn anything? james sure as frick did

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If you want to shitpost it, Maria is the coomer ending. He basically stays in a dream of the past with his sexual fantasy version of his dead wife.

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Pretentious trash

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ah, the age old retort where you want to say something but have nothing of any worth to say
      Good show old chap

  25. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >can't remember his killed wife
    what a idiot, i would remember that

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He didn't want to remember iirc.

      Pretentious trash

      Imagine getting filtered by fricking silent hill 2 of all things.

  26. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why wasn't there an ending where he turns himself to the police?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Maybe he's from a state where euthanasia is legal.

  27. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    https://pastebin.com/uf5XhyXz

  28. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I have a preference for In Water because its the one I got on my first run.

  29. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    In Water ending is literally troony programming, that's why they love it so much. Trannies hate leave because living a normal life is completely insane to them.

  30. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The fanbase mostly called this the correct ending due to James' father in Silent Hill 4 mentioning that he never returned from his 'trip'. That is at least the lore explanation. If I'm not mistaken, Team Silent stated whatever ending you got is your 'correct/true' one. Really glad I replayed all of the games last October, especially since I still own the original PS1 copy, 'definitely gonna cherish that experience.

    To me it will always be funny how Bloober Team's the medium tried to go for the same kind of "Your wrongdoings can't be redeemed/all you can do is suffer"-ending in The Medium but desperately failed.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Team Silent stated whatever ending you got is your 'correct/true' one

      Masahiro Ito said that In Water was the official ending and the rabid fans went crazy and started sending him death threats because they claimed he was making suicide apology and he was forced to correct himself and say that all endings are canon

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        that isn't what that tweet says

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ah thanks, I kept checking Ito's twitter in the past, he's a fricking rad artist. Fans really give him too much bullshit for no reason.

        I just did some research because when I replayed all the games there was a longass period in which I would read every single interview given, in the back of my cranium I knew I wasn't talking [HEADCANON].
        This was off of an interview Team Silent (Yamaoka, Sato, Imamura) gave during the E3 presentation of Silent Hill 2:
        > "Related to that, you had to play through Silent Hill a few times, so you could get all the endings and fully understand the story. Is Silent Hill 2's story progression set up in the same way?"
        > "No, it's a little different. In Silent Hill 2, we prepared a couple of different types of endings, but they're all "real" endings – each ending will give you a complete story. Your actions affect what type of story you see, though, and what some events mean – at some points, you'll make a decision, and that will send you down one way, where you could have gone another. These decisions tweak your perception of the story, though, more than actual events. Depending on which way you go, your emotions could differ greatly, and your point of view on the story could be different."
        > tfw everybody ITT is right

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yes anon, that is the point. The endings all point give a piece of what is happening in the story.

          It wasn't the "most correct ending"
          Every ending is a cope..
          The game is literally about cope.
          Suicide is just one of the options.
          You can go crazy and blame it on aliens.
          You can turn to the occult.
          You can go find doG.
          You can have a nice day.
          You can live with a fantasy.

          Or you can accept what happened and leave. The 100% end. The "true" end. The "happy" end.

          For that matter, every ending is a true ending because each ending paints a picture of what the game is actually trying to say. One of the many reasons it is a narrative masterpiece.

          What was James' sin? Killing his b***h wife who mentally broke him while he was probably knee debt in debt paying for her healthcare when she was clearly near the end of her life and suffering? It doesn't work at all because the game wants you to sympathize with James. They could so easily have written James as an butthole who killed his wife for no good reason at all, but they gave him perspective because he's the player character.

          James driving into the ocean makes no sense from a narrative progression standpoint. I just played 10+ hours of this game and now it was all deemed pointless because of some moronic universalist principle? Player characters killing themselves is never a good game design choice because the player character is a stand in for the player. Everything you worked to achieve is flat out invalidated by the writer's forced moralgayging.

          Leave is the only ending that properly captures the spirit of this era of gaming. In Water is some stupid The Last of Us crap. Just because Joel killed some bad dudes doesn't mean we should watch him get beaten to death by a troony, just because James killed his b***h wife doesn't mean we should want him to 41% himself either. Only trannies like that ending.

          Smothering people lashing out due to the physical pain of their terminal illness is typically frowned upon.

  31. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I thought the watery vibes of the final stage deteriorating was an obvious tell that in the Water was likely a canon or most fitting ending?

  32. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >So why was the water ending the most correct ending?
    It wasn't.

  33. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    In Water is obviously the correct one. Its the only one that thematically works while being a satisfying ending, conclusive in James' guilt.

    Maria is definitely chilling and shows Jame's inability to let go of the memory Mary and is somewhat in denial of what he's done.

    Leave feels as thought James accepts himself and his sin and attempts to move forward by living for someone else's sake who is weaker than him to essentially uno-reverse his sin.

    The rest of the endings are just silly and can't even be gotten until you've beaten it once.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What was James' sin? Killing his b***h wife who mentally broke him while he was probably knee debt in debt paying for her healthcare when she was clearly near the end of her life and suffering? It doesn't work at all because the game wants you to sympathize with James. They could so easily have written James as an butthole who killed his wife for no good reason at all, but they gave him perspective because he's the player character.

      James driving into the ocean makes no sense from a narrative progression standpoint. I just played 10+ hours of this game and now it was all deemed pointless because of some moronic universalist principle? Player characters killing themselves is never a good game design choice because the player character is a stand in for the player. Everything you worked to achieve is flat out invalidated by the writer's forced moralgayging.

      Leave is the only ending that properly captures the spirit of this era of gaming. In Water is some stupid The Last of Us crap. Just because Joel killed some bad dudes doesn't mean we should watch him get beaten to death by a troony, just because James killed his b***h wife doesn't mean we should want him to 41% himself either. Only trannies like that ending.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        James coming to terms with everything hes done and genuinely feeling the full weight of his grief and remorse and choosing to take his life like he had planned to before his delusional episode makes total sense. It thematically makes sense as the entirety of the town and the people in it are all there in their own misery. James could have left anytime he wanted to, yet had nothing else to do but chase his wife's ghost. The twists purpose is the reverse the narrative of James being sympathetic and instead show he is all too humanely flawed and has been just as mentally unstable like everyone else in the town. Looks like someone didn't get it.

        You'd get it if you ever loved anyone anon, please get laid.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >James coming to terms with everything hes done and genuinely feeling the full weight of his grief and remorse

          That isn't what happens, though. He ignores the wishes of his wife and decides to end his own misery. Again. Just like he did when he killed her. It is a thematic bow, since he goes full circle, but it is very much the "bad" ending.

          Not the wrong ending, though. 😉

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >grief and remorse
          You legitimately type like a pussy b***h boy. Get a hold on your emotions and stop acting like a woman. Angela is supposed to be the out of control suicide candidate in this game, not James. The worst takes in this entire thread are literally spat out by overemotional manbabies who didn't "get" James, his role as the player, or the entire game.
          >The twists purpose is the reverse the narrative of James being sympathetic and instead show he is all too humanely flawed and has been just as mentally unstable like everyone else in the town.
          Yeah, but unlike everyone else in the town he has a shot to save himself, which is why he's the player character and Angela and Eddie aren't.
          >You'd get it if you ever loved anyone
          I wouldn't name a single person I would kill myself over, because I'm a man and not a little b***h like you.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Angela's wasn't lying to herself and didn't fabricated a literal schizo fake back story scenario like James did.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              She chose to live in and embrace her torment rather than actively making a change. James has active character development that happens after he learns the truth about Mary, the most obvious instance of this is what he says before the pyramid head boss fight. He doesn't embrace his torment, he fights it. The whole game is him fighting his torment, that's why Angela walks off into the flames at the end.

              James lied to himself as a coping mechanism, once that fell through he was able to make a productive change to his mentality. Angela and Eddie can't, and it leads them to their inevitable deaths. James being the player allows him to make that change, Angela and Eddie serve as foils.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >he was able to make a productive change to his mentality

                Subjective, James' facing the truth gives him the opportunity to face himself and what he plans to do with himself. The Maria ending is just James' accepting a do-over, not understanding he will make the same mistake again.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >You legitimately type like a pussy b***h boy
            lmfao get laid
            >Yeah, but unlike everyone else in the town he has a shot to save himself, which is why he's the player character and Angela and Eddie aren't.
            Unlike Angela and Eddie though, James is entirely delusional until the 3/4 mark. Angela had resigned herself to misery and is reflective of James' desire to be punished and his suicidal thoughts, but him feeling suicidal only truly makes sense when he comes to terms with what hes done, which is suffocate his wife unknowingly. His guilt is subconscious and James' decision to end his life matches how he lacks purpose without Mary to the degree he has a breakdown and tells himself hes the hero, saving his supposed dead wife from a strange town.
            >I wouldn't name a single person I would kill myself over, because I'm a man and not a little b***h like you
            If I typed like an angry 30 year old manchild I'd drive into the lake too.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Unlike Angela and Eddie though, James is entirely delusional until the 3/4 mark
              Both Angela and Eddie are VERY delusional though. There's literally a scene in the game where Angela thinks James is out to rape/kill/murder her because her tragic past has made her sour towards men. Eddie dies like a chump because he went on killing sprees against anyone who he thought insulted him, and attacked James because he felt offended by James. Both of them die because they became dependent on their own delusions.

              That's the In Water ending in a nutshell. James becoming dependent on meeting Mary again even though she's long gone, he literally says they're going to be together and then it fades to black. James breaking that delusion is the Leave ending, and that's why it makes the most sense.
              >If I typed like an angry 30 year old manchild I'd drive into the lake too.
              Why haven't you then?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                But Angela is never in denial to what happened to her. She's attempting to repress her emotional outbursts against James'. She is delusional in finding her mother, her only source of comfort, but the trauma inflicted upon her is always present, the town always being in flames is representative of how her life is an inescapable hell. She doesn't become dependent on her delusion, she accepts her will to live is gone and and succumbs to the flames.

                >There's literally a scene in the game where Angela thinks James is out to rape/kill/murder her because her tragic past has made her sour towards men
                Equating a "tragic past" with your father and brother physically, mentally and sexually abusing you, makes you sound absolutely fricked in the head and shows you didn't understand her character or how people respond to trauma.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >But Angela is never in denial to what happened to her.
                Angela's whole delusion is that she thinks she's the one to blame for her past and wants punishment for acting in self-defense. Your defense of the In Water ending mimics the same mentality that Angela bears in the game, and that is why she never escapes her own personal hell. In Water is not James confronting himself as you pretend it is, but James indulging in the same self-loathing that Angela is.

                Leave proves that James can escape his own trauma by coming to terms with it in life rather than choosing not to deal with it and killing himself.

                >Equating a "tragic past" with your father and brother physically, mentally and sexually abusing you, makes you sound absolutely fricked in the head and shows you didn't understand her character or how people respond to trauma.
                I don't care how people respond to trauma because being stuck in self-loathing isn't something a healthy human mind desires. You fetishize mental illness and like seeing people suffer, so when someone says the obvious you have a kneejerk reaction to it. We are not the same.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Self loathing that is inescapable to him after coming to terms with the truth can absolutely trigger his suicidal thoughts to the surface. The game already uses plenty of symbolism tied to suicide, not to mention the cut scene with the noose is in the game regardless if you are getting the Leave ending. In Water thematically makes sense to James' wanting to end his suffering and to no longer be consumed by his grief. In Water is absolutely James confronting himself for what he's done. Its a different way then Leave, but its the same idea, its just that the guilt overcomes him rather than forgiving himself. All 3 endings are different ways of James' coming to terms with what he's done. Maria is Bargaining, In Water is Depression and Leave is Acceptance, and considering what the game had built to, James' certainly doesn't have to feel as though he deserves a happy ending, he certainly planned on suicide as Mary was in the backseat and for a game like it, I think it serves the narrative and themes just as well as Leave.

                >I don't care how people respond to trauma because being stuck in self-loathing isn't something a healthy human mind desires.
                No one struggling with mental health desires to be stuck in the loop of self loathing, mental illness is yknow, an illness? Something many people cannot overcome and thinking of it in such black and white views is childish. Fetishistic tendencies are not the same as understanding that others mental struggles are not a binary

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >mental "illness"
                you have your mental illness because you have caught it? or is that just you describing what you are experiencing?
                if you have cancer that is your illness
                if you are suffering from guilt, personality disorders and trauma like james; it is because you killed your wife

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >personality disorder come from actions and circumstances
                Righttt

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >dissociative identity disorder
                he has it after killing her wife, to cope having killed her
                he dissociates to not be troubled thinking about it,
                >environmental factors aka what you go through affects genetics
                genetic factors carry on, and can affect your offsprings, hence you shouldn't reproduce, fricking moron

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >he has it after killing her wife

                smooth pronoun use there, troony

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Self loathing that is inescapable to him
                But it can be escaped. I literally just said that:
                >Leave proves that James can escape his own trauma by coming to terms with it in life rather than choosing not to deal with it and killing himself.
                >The game already uses plenty of symbolism tied to suicide, not to mention the cut scene with the noose is in the game regardless if you are getting the Leave ending.
                And I already mentioned that all of those scenes are in moments with Angela, because the whole point of In Water is that James has become the same kind of self-loathing moron that Angela is. James states he will never kill himself. Just because your own headcanon dictates that that line doesn't matter, doesn't mean it doesn't.
                >Leave is Acceptance
                There's a reason that's the last stage btw, just saying. Acceptance IS overcoming grief. Delusions and depression isn't.
                >James' certainly doesn't have to feel as though he deserves a happy ending
                Right but it's in character for him to have the courage to build a better future for himself. Him killing Mary is an act of courage in itself. Him entering Silent Hill despite the monsters is an act of courage. So him ending the grief because it's "wah too much" is OOC for him.
                >No one struggling with mental health desires to be stuck in the loop of self loathing
                Oh no, they ABSOLUTELY do. Mentally ill depressed people actually are more likely on average to participate in activities that encourage melancholic emotions. They find themselves absolutely stuck in it. You sound like you're coming from a child's view of it so you won't likely understand it outside of your favorite emo bands, but in real life mental illness can be chronic.
                >Fetishistic tendencies are not the same as understanding that others mental struggles are not a binary
                You are literally suggesting that the thoughts of a mentally ill person can be correct and unclouded. That's fricking dumb, dude.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > but Angela is never in denial to what happened to her
                only thing you typed I have to disagree with, Angela was in [FULL DENIAL MODE] from the very beginning as soon as the game gives you the tidbits that Angela's mom she was looking for the whole game was very likely in on the physical and sexual abuse her husband and son made Angela suffer through. On that same note, a theory I have heard in the past which sounds very convincing in hindsight: Angela isn't really 'innocent'. Once again, news articles mentioned how 'mysteriously' both Angela's brother and husband died, with no trace of Angela's whereabouts. At the very beginning of the game, we meet her and she tells us she is 'looking for her Mama'. Why do you think that is? She wants to finish the job..

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The game never states whether she killed them in self defense or retaliation or revenge, but I read Angela searching for her mother and crying out for her mama that she viewed her mother as a comfort figure despite what was done to her, possibly because her mother merely didn't stop it from happening rather than being a participant.

                But I understand your point, good argument.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Solid counter-argument, thanks for sharing that perspective, really makes me think a lot. As reference https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyaLoaUbExk
                > "Mama!"
                > "Mama I was looking for you!"
                > "You're the only one left"
                > "Maybe then..."
                > Maybe then I can rest..."
                I always thought of it as "after what can she finally rest?" and thought it was a hint of her trying to finish the job. It would also thematically make sense, since then James, Angela and Eddie were lured into Silent Hill for a reason...with the only exceptions being Laura (innocence) and Maria (Born from a Wish)

                Sometimes I am still baffled how this game got green-lit with the thematic themes it has, not gonna lie.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        just because the character doesn't arrive at a happy conclusion doesn't mean the journey was pointless.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The ludonarrative dissonance (the term is gay but whatever) is just yet another argument against in water. It's the old trick of "winning in gameplay, losing in cutscene" turned to eleven.
        It would have been better implemented by making pyramid head a guaranteed defeat during the boss fight if you had the fitting triggers.

  34. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    In addition to making the whole game useless and being safe edgy despair apologetics (ie trash), in water is terrible because it's a very low production value ending.
    A literal background slide that looks like one of those built in old PowerPoint effects. So hecking minimalist. Mass Effect 3 put more effort into its original ending.

  35. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    post your favorite tracks boys

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The absolute peak of Silent Hill 2 is James walking off into the sunset.

      ?si=8QzMMLsAJ7XF0hll

      ?si=yke_tRZPmChYE5qp

      ?si=BMgqcTY2JcXj7z8i

  36. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    monster pussy.

  37. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    this game is not for people trying to act like victims, that is first and foremost
    >why is in water canon
    because silent hill isn't there for you to face your fears and become triumphant
    if your life is true hell, there is no way out
    james couldn't live having killed his wife
    >he should have just not killed her then!
    he was already suffering greatly seeing the women of her life suffering and in the brink of death for ages, it was also taking its toll on him, and he was also despising the fact that he had to deal with a wife that got sick (why am i unlucky that i don't get to have a proper nice wife that doesn't start looking disgusting and is about to die)

    there was no way out for him, his life was over the moment her wife got ill in such a severe way
    >get to hate life taking care of her, and getting to live mourning her forever
    >kill her, guilt till death

    none of the people in the silenthill get to become happy, at least with the characters we see
    >angela finally really commits suicide
    >fatso goes full psycho with his delusions and gets killed
    >james suicide
    this isn't a therapy session, as if a stupid message like, "just forget the past and move on" could exist

    >i played the game for nothing! why did i kill all the enemies and survive till the end
    if this is your complaint you have autism

    water is a motif all around also, james himself abstracted as the pyramid head goes into water in the first encounter

    t. smart anon

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why haven't you killed yourself already?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's just a video game dude, calm down. Not everything has to have a happy ending with rainbows and unicorns.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          t. brain damage

          go to therapy unironically

          It's a good question though. If life is so bad and you can never come back from "sin", why even live? Just have a nice day. Darwin was completely right.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            i dont see an objective answer, and there honestly isn't
            >there are anons here that preach he should move on, it is the better option
            get off your high horse, there is no wrong or correct in life, especially for such a grey zone topic like suicide

            for me, i'm okay with james' choice, and i wish he could become happy

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Suicide is ethical because it removes genetic defects from the gene pool. I don't play James as a genetic defect, so I don't choose the In Water ending. It's not that suicide is inherently immoral, it's just that in the SH example it's happening to a person it shouldn't have.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >t's happening to a person it shouldn't have
                such is life

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        t. brain damage

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        go to therapy unironically

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >water is a motif all around also, james himself abstracted as the pyramid head goes into water in the first encounter
      Didn't realize.
      Clever.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >james himself abstracted as the pyramid head goes into water in the first encounter

      Makes a lot of sense. A lot of the environments also look wet or straight up moldy

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't get why "smart" anons like you keep implying that conquering hellish personal trauma is "therapy." Yeah, with pyramid head as your shrink and the bubbleheaded nurse as his assistant.

      Not going to act like I'm a bookworm but some of you need to read some classic literature or something. Metaphor about dealing with the human experience doesn't have to be reduced to "therapy."

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Therapy also implies you get over it afterwards which normally isn't true in the slightest.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        therapy is to for you to get over what is causing your life to be like this, usual goes over finding out the root cause/issue

        silenthill2 isn't a therapy session in the sense that the town isn't trying to make you get better, it is just there to torment you with your root issue to drive you more into terror
        >if it was therapy the only ending would be leave

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That is if you think the town exists anywhere other than James's mind. You want to assign purpose to it when the reality is that everything that happened in the events of the game is one man's way of navigating senseless tragedy, both of his own making and beyond his control.

          Again, each ending is a cope. Some he goes insane. Some he finds religion. Some he lives in denial.
          One he dies selfishly.
          One he lives selflessly.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            well written i agree, i can see moving on itself as self-trickery
            even the truth can be deceit

            on a side note, yeah; the game simply about navigating in life after having been forced to play out with a bad stack of cards
            >but it about mental illness!
            mental illness is just a symptom, not the issue itself; most are made up anyways thoughever

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      suicide is for trannies and spineless homosexuals.

      Choose

      lol.

  38. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Kill your wife
    >go to hell for it
    >for a few days at most
    >leave hell with a fricking e-girl

    Wow, such suffering he went through. Truly a damned and forgotten individual.

  39. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >So why was the water ending the most correct ending?
    Because Silent Hill 4 made it canon

  40. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Choose

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Wholesome afternoon cuddling with Heather without any explicit sexual acts

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Mixed race Cynthia turns into Sadako 2.0 with white snow pale skin and pitch black long hair
      >She becomes million times hotter to the point where you want her special favor even more
      every time

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Deeply passionate love with a cute and sexy short haired police woman in tight leather pants who is ready to become a new mother of your newly found daughter

  41. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Short Message was kinda of decent, it's a shame that the thematic is shit yeah, but was that shitty thematic was handled good, the same game with a better thematic could be a solid spin-off.

  42. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    People delude themselves into thinking they're more mature or better for liking depressing endings.

  43. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It doesn't matter which ending is canon cause in the end, he ended up being taken by the entity and now is in limbo running away from various killers in Dead by Daylight.

  44. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the player decides if james overcomes or succumbes to his guilt. thats the point of it being a video game. all endings are canon, outside of the joke ones.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Its not, Leave ending is the best, its not about being a "le good ending",is about the jorney making sense, i dont care if the hecking artist likes the ending where James gets the will to live for a whole 5 minutes only to lose it and make everyting pointless
      leave also makes the letter hit even harder

      How "Leave ending" makes sense with the things stated in SH4

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ganker SH posters often worship SH4 but they pretend James's father in SH4 is non-canon. In fact they even pretend Harry's death in SH3 is non-canon as well.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          a bunch of homosexual all of them, I embrace SH4 with all his flaws and defects

  45. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Its not, Leave ending is the best, its not about being a "le good ending",is about the jorney making sense, i dont care if the hecking artist likes the ending where James gets the will to live for a whole 5 minutes only to lose it and make everyting pointless
    leave also makes the letter hit even harder

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      whoever they got for mary's voice actress gave a performance of a life time reading that letter
      this reminds me it's funny there's people who get filtered by the surreal lynchian style voice acting but never give the letter read credit

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >is about the jorney making sense

      This "journey" literally shows you, the player, that James is a mentally ill liar with severe issues, he literally murders a person and then moves on hours later?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Enter CHADmes glow-up from his limp-dicked abloobloo mood to calmly say ''It's time to end this...'' while making two pyramid heads back out.

        ?si=_2L6d7b3ypAgOVdU&t=15

        post your favorite tracks boys

        Some of these are unironically powerful.

        ?si=r72dWirnRpJ7ypxj

        ?si=T0onRBXkIYjRVIuk

        ?si=AP4F1biQvledECNe

  46. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Silent Hill doesn't try to fix (you)
    Silent Hill isn't even trying to punish you because you're evil
    Silent Hill whole purpose is guilty trip you into suicide by using your traumas
    People that experiment Silent Hill torment doesn't moves on because Silent Hill, people moves on DESPITE Silent Hill

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      silent hill merely confrots you with your flaws/guilt/etc. you on your own decide on if you can overcome them.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Silent Hill whole purpose is guilty trip you into suicide by using your traumas

      It's not even doing that, we can see Eddie literally going insane and Angela and James being pushed to suicide, but the energy of the town seems to feed on their misery, it literally loves their suffering for whatever reason

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Demon's feed in human misery, and Silent Hill lore is closely tied to demons

  47. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Leave ending is the most likely and resembles James' selfishness if not punishes him further by continuing to live with his decision and SH experience.
    The suicide ending makes no sense because he's too much of a coward with fake valor to do that.

  48. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    James's VA explained it makes a lot more sense in Japanese culture.

  49. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's ironic that the Silent Hill that better handled the psychological and creepy terror wasn't even set in Silent Hill

  50. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Eileen watching TV

  51. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Threadly remiender Laura was going to appear in downpour and make the leave ending canon

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Threadly remiender that everything after SH4 is non-canon trash created by random Western hacks and not the original Team Silent

  52. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This are the main themes of each Silent Hill be free of correct me if I'm wrong:
    >SH1 & SH3= Religious Fanaticism
    >SH2= Guilt
    >SH4= Isolation and alienation
    >Shattered Memories= Melancholy and Grief
    >Silent Hill 5= Yearning and Jealousy
    >Silent Hill 6= Revenge
    I never played Origins and I never finished Book of Memories

  53. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This is one of, it not the best scene of the whole game, and it only makes sense in the leave ending
    >James manage to overcome his guilt and the feeling of needing to be punished
    >James fights back against the two super bosses and manage to make them back off and give up
    >James is ready to move forward
    >sike, he was actually wanting to le kill himself all along!
    in water trannies...not even once

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      fights back against the two super bosses and manage to make them back off and give up
      he still doesn't remember having killed her wife still, he wanted to save the stripper and stop being weak for that purpose

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        the double pyramid head fight happens after he watches the tapes in lakeview hotel

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          is that so? if the case i concede, i played this back at release
          i thought it was double pyramid into tape into final boss mary

  54. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    And more bad news for the Leave ending fans.

    Masahiro Ito confirms that James would be going to jail if he decides to leave Silent Hill.

    >James tries to run away from Pyramid Head
    >gets caught by cops and sent to the worst federal prison of the country
    >realizes that prisons are worse than Silent Hill
    >dies anyway

    Leave ending is the bad ending confirmed

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >leave ending
      >leave it to your imagination
      I KNEEL

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >twitter
      >canon
      I don't care if it's Ito, it's not canon nor are his explanations.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ito's tweets are insightful because he is the lead artist and a main creative behind the game, but you are right. In the end the work has to stand on its own.

        Also he isn't Owaku, nor do the two agree on everything. Funny thing about gamedev is it doesn't go straight from imagination to the screen. There is a lot of work involved and some things get lost in translation.

        At the same time Silent Hill 2 I believe is a great argument for games being art.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > Ito believes that the Leave ending implies he turns himself into the police and holds himself accountable for his crimes.
      > Literally BTFOing everyone saying it is the end where he gets away with it
      Beautiful.

  55. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the policewoman from Downpour makes my dick hard

  56. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Name a better harem protagonist

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > leaving out the nurse
      One fricking job, anon.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Gee james, how come Silent hill lets you have two mary's?

  57. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because Angel's Thanatos ROCKS!

  58. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >bossfight begins, pyramid head roars and then charges at you
    >hold left to dodge one swipe
    >hold right to dodge one swipe
    >hold left to dodge one swipe
    >try to counterattack with a basic combo but the pipe clangs onto the pyramid head
    >"Shit! I can't get through that fricking pyramid...."
    >pyramid head roars and charges at you again
    >dodge his combo again, this time quick aim into him and shoot his knees but nothing happens
    >"Frick! He just keeps on comin'!."
    >Angela speaks into the radio
    >"James! Let him run into the walls! He can't see shit with that fricking pyramid on his head!"
    >"Frick you're right...why didn't I think of that?"
    >hover near the wall and bait his charge, this time when I dodge the pyramid smashes into the wall
    >pyramid head roars and stumbles back, falls onto his knees and the pyramid rips open, glowing orange tentacles and eyes burst out to writhe around
    >"Now i've got you you son of a b***h"
    >Start mashing RTRTRT halfscreen to arkham magnetize into the melee combo, stock squishy noises and then the tentacles retract into the crack and pyramid head gets back up again
    >"I think I just made him angrier..."

  59. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >my favorite ending is better than your favorite ending
    what a sad way to enjoy video games

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