Sony in 1998:
Let's release a "handheld" powered by a watch battery with a 32x32 monochrome screen smaller than a postage stamp that is barely above Tiger LCD games in terms of quality and well behind the already decade old Gameboy that also acts as a memory card... despite the games taking up most to all of the memorycard space. I am sure we will eventually release it in the US too so I don't see an issue with letting games add support for it outside of Japan.
Nintendo in 2001:
Here is a handheld that is practically on par with a 2D-only PS1, full color 240 × 160 screen, can link with a GameCube or other GBAs to temporarily download games or clients that can make full use of the hardware, and uses standard AA batteries. It's releasing in pretty much every region within 3-4 months of each other. Oh, and it does all this using the SAME processor as the PocketStation.
SEGA in 2001:
No, we're done with hardware. We already gave you a portable Master System and then a portable Genesis, we are NOT making a portable Saturn.
can we just have a console war general to be free of this?
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You just made me realise that the entire reason why Ganker's mods allow so much shitposting is because it generates outrage which leads to more ad revenue.
and also because the place is empty, mostly bots these days
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not just any bot will do that yknow
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Pointing out bad decisions is engaging in a "console war" now? Nintendo is hardly flawless either, like just about anything they did regarding the N64 or GameCube vs the PS1 and PS2. Or the Virtual Boy period.
Arguing the unchanging merits of the past for the sole purpose of argument sounds like console warring.
cry a fucking river. It's to the point where you fuckers are more annoying than what will inevitably always be there.
Sounds more like you just consider everything "console warring", by that definition arguing that Final Fantasy Mystic Quest is a crap game comparted to Final Fantasy 3/6 is "console warring"
N64 and Gamecube were better than PS1 and PS2, though.
Tamagochi's were huge in the late 90s
This.
Same with the Dreamcast VMU, which had versions that came preloaded with virtual pet.
The Godzilla VMU was released in Japan before the Dreamcast launched.
Can't find the date that article was written, but it's safe to assume 1998. The 1998 Tokyo Game Show this article is talking about took place in early September, and Sony apparently had models shown on the show floor. Which makes it even less likely these were made in response to the VMU since now it means it took them a mere four months to design and create what would even be a prototype that looks like the commercial product.
In terms of power/performance, yes, I have said that often. In terms of how they handled them however, no. On top of burning many of their 3rd party bridges Nintendo insisted on using carts when everyone was moving to CDs, and it cost them FF7 as well as many other games (On top of the loss from making 3rd parties pull out) and then continued to insist on MiniDVDs for the GameCube instead of full-size disks. There is a reason the PS2 is still ranked as the best selling console to date even though the gaming market is much bigger than it ever was before while the GameCube's global sales were lower than the Xbox's US and UK sales.... not like adding the Japanese sales would make much difference though.
>Can't find the date that article was written, but it's safe to assume 1998. The 1998 Tokyo Game Show this article is talking about took place in early September, and Sony apparently had models shown on the show floor. Which makes it even less likely these were made in response to the VMU since now it means it took them a mere four months to design and create what would even be a prototype that looks like the commercial product.
It was fro the December issue of Gamers Republic magazine.. which really means its from November 1998...
https://archive.org/details/Gamers_Republic_Issue_07_December_1998/page/n11/mode/2up
Here's the other article from September 1998...
https://archive.org/details/Gamers_Republic_Issue_04/page/n11/mode/2up
>It was fro the December issue of Gamers Republic magazine.. which really means its from November 1998...
Yes it would have to be written after TGS if it's talking about TGS, my point is that TGS1998 was held in September. If the Dreamcast was announced May of 1998 and TGS98 was September that would have been a ridiculous rush job in response to VMUs.... or just simply, the PocketStation was in development before and not in any way a response to the VMU.
>Yes it would have to be written after TGS if it's talking about TGS, my point is that TGS1998 was held in September. If the Dreamcast was announced May of 1998 and TGS98 was September that would have been a ridiculous rush job in response to VMUs.... or just simply, the PocketStation was in development before and not in any way a response to the VMU.
The way magazines generally work is that the December issue would come out in November, the November issue would come out in October, etc. Plus the trip to TGS 98 happened in October 1998. The Dreamcast was also at the 1998 TGS as well.
nintendo made them too
Exactly, this was Sony trying to get in on the Tamagotchi craze instead of releasing a Gameboy killer.
Don't tell the Digimon people they're just a Tamagotchi they made for boys that just happened to co-inside with Pokémon
all real digimon niggas know that digimon are tamagotchis that beat the shit out of each other, later upgraded to sapient bros, while pokemon were rpg monsters you could keep as pets, later changed to basically be weird magic merchandise animals and occasionally gods
the pokemon comparison is tiresome and exists only because
>mon
manly fighting tomogatchi friends for boys is a way more honorable concept than megami tensei furbait pets for casuals
VMUs would have been fucking perfect for Digimon, what a waste.
>Sony
>trying to get in on a crazy
That's literally all they ever did. Hardly anything original ever comes from them.
>Pocketstation CPU: 33 mhz
>GBA CPU: 16 mhz
Pretty fucking pathetic that Nintendo's 3 years newer handheld had such a significantly slower CPU than a memory card. Nintendo was always pushing cheap, underbaked hardwares which were thoroughly outdone by competitors, this is why the GamePark GP32 had a CPU 10 times faster than the GBA despite releasing the same year, and also why the PSP's capabilities were an entire generation ahead of it's rival the DS. Nintendo just never had any business being in console hardwares.
lmao yet those Nintendo products drastically outsold the "superior" competition. Not that I would call the Gamepark legitimate competition.
>yet those Nintendo products drastically outsold the "superior" competition
Nintendo never outsold the superior (no scare quotes) PlayStation or PS2.
nice goalpost relocation
You expect the GBA to outsell what? A memory card? The memory card is a peripheral for another console. And what console would that be?
There's no goalpost shifting here, but there's plenty of coping with the supremacy of the PlayStation I see.
He means the handhelds.
>hardwares
You have no business posting on an English message board.
Gba was cheap as hell though. I think it was $80 on launch day if I recall? And it was down to $50 not too long after.
>GP32
God, what a fucking kino console. GP32 and GP2X (original, not any of the revisions) probably clocked thousands of hours of /vr/ fun between them.
You could play pretty much everything up to SNES on the GP2X and even some stuff that exceeded the SNES like the NeoGeo.
It's 33 KHz.
THREE YEAR NEWER
>Comparing a novelty tool designed to share memory card save files through infrared with an actual portable console designed to play games
You retarded nagger, have a nice day.
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A portable saturn would have been too expensive.
Portable dreamcast was far more doable, and it's what the psp is closer to.
Gba was better than the DS and fuck the DS for cutting the gba short.
The SEGA part was clearly supposed to be a joke.
If sega had released this as a portable that was similar to the dreamcast, they could have ported a ton of awesome shit to it, including saturn games, and it would have been fucking legendary.
This guy's fat hands performing sloppy quarter circles motions with unnecessary frequency is enraging.
he was testing if the D-Pad was "Hadoukenable"
yada yada
The Famicom wasn't amazing for the time but Nintendo somehow bubbled into a new console market.
The Super Famicom was the golden age.
Nintendo showed that they had struck gold in the post-Super era.
The GBA was the second most successful thing they ever did after the Super.
I'm so glad I can share the exact same feelings as other autists on message boards.
>The Super Famicom was the golden age.
You mean the Mega Drive was the golden age. The SNES was 2 years late to the 16-bit era, and couldn't handle many key genres of the time due to the slow 2.68 mhz CPU. Less people played SNES than Mega Drive, and the SNES didn't even outsell the NES official sales figures, despite the games market booming and increasing in size at the time. It may not have been a failure, but it was far from the defining system of the 16-bit era that revisionists would have you believe.
>Less people played SNES than Mega Drive
How does it feel to be stupid and wrong and also probably a virgin
Where's MegaDrive 3 of South America ?
Literally under 'Mega Drive/Genesis' you illiterate huezillian.
This doesn't account for bootleg hardware clones of the Mega Drive, which have been available and widespread since the 90's worldwide. SNES clones did not exist until much later and still are not as easily found.
PocketStation was meant to compete with SEGA's VMU, not Game Boy/Advance
It was meant to compete with a device that was announced just a few months prior to it's release and their next console was going to replace in less than a year?
I loved the VMU, but at least the PocketStation lasted more than 10 seconds on a single battery compared to the VMU's dual watch batteries that died faster than a GameGear. At least make the damn thing use AAAs at that point or something (And/or not give a $%@%$ battery low beep every time you turn a console on with a dead VMU battery).
40s, first system was an NES, try again zoomie.
They were basically the same concept
PSone was even redesigned to look more like the Dreamcast
My point is the Dreamcast was first announced in May of 1998, the PocketStation was released in Jan of 1999 (Original release date was supposed to be December of 1998 though).
Do you really think Sony saw the VMU, and within seven months designed, mass produced, and released this thing just to compete with the VMU when the PS2 whose games would not work with the PocketStation was going to be released a year later and had no PocketStation equivalent?
Also silly to think the PSOne was designed to resemble a Dreamcast, the last thing Sony was considering doing was copying SEGA by the mid 2000s.
It wouldn't take long to shit out a neo pet clone
Takes a bit longer than that to design it and mass produce enough for a launch. Not to mention the absurdity of them seeing the VMU and freaking out so much over the concept that they make a mad rush to create one of their own... for their previous-gen console that was going to become obsolete in a year yet have no interest in making a version for their upcoming killer console.
>$%@%$
You have to be 18 years or older to post here.
Also the VMU batteries only drain fast if your dumbass left the unit in your controller. Leave them out when you don't need to save and it has the same battery life as the Pocketstation, but you wouldn't know any of this because you were born well after the PS3 launched.
Awww, zoomie got called out by his senior and is going on a tantrum now. I would recommend some NES games to calm you down but I doubt you know what that system is. Perhaps Fortnite on iOS is more your speed.
Not that anon, but when I found out that my VMU battery was dying so fast because I was leaving it in the controller, I knew that Sega were retarded.
The closest thing Nintendo had was probably Pokemon Mini in 2001
Can't believe Nintendo thought Pokemon would holdover with exclusive hardware for the entire franchise
Oh boy another thread where an early to mid 20s year old who wasn't even born during the time period discussed on this board, and whose childhood memories involve the Xbox360 and Wii arrives to make a totally absurd post about devices they know nothing about. we really needed this
>Here is a handheld that is practically on par with a 2D-only PS1
No.
>Oh, and it does all this using the SAME processor as the PocketStation.
PocketStation CPU is a different chip that runs at 33KHz, that's 500 times less than GBA.
I dunno man, I wish we got the Pocketstation and I'm a massive Nintendo fanboy. The VMU was a good idea too. I wish Nintendo would release something like this with their latest system that has a bigger battery and bluetooth compatibility so you can do minigames and do streetpass functions just like the 3DS did, because the Switch really didn't have the battery for that
>1998
>2001
Ok but what were they each doing in those respective years.
I would agree unless two years later GBA SP showed how actually fucking horrible GBA was on launch. It was better almost in every aspect.
You dumb fat skinny fucks. Its pure instance. Look crocodile brain, like lion brain. Don't play the game, uninstall it. You boring twats. don't Don't about things you don't like. Do you know lessons of life? Talk about stuff you do like
i don’t know why people insist on comparing the pocketstation and pic rel to the gameboy.
As many anons have pointed out, these were to cash in on the tamagotchi craze, and I’m sure were specifically intended to AVOID stepping on the toes of the gameboy
Of course the pocketstation sucks ass compared to the gba. It’s not trying to do the same thing as the GBA
The GBA would suck ass if you positioned it as a virtual pet device.
A virtual pet without a real time clock that eats up 2 AA batteries in 12 hours, has no screen off mode, is massive, and needs a cable to connect to others
You’re comparing apples to oranges.
Pocketstation is a tamagotchi first. If devs went and made goofy ass one button arcade type games on it, that’s fine- it’s a novelty keychain toy.
The device was sold so that women in Japan could talk to a funny cat virtual pet. The same way the VMU was sold so little boys could raise chao and Godzilla.
The Pokémon mini however throws it for a loop and says “actually what if I was just a bad small gameboy?”
Cont
>Cont
hey watch your language motherfucker
So actually a lied, comparing the Pokémon mini to the gameboy is entirely apt. The software library consists of;
Tetris
Pinball
Card games (Pokémon flavor
Wario ware style mini gimmick game collections
Puzzle collections (and I mean like literal jigsaw puzzles but with pikachu)
A racing platformer hybrid
A Kirby tilt and tumble type game
And one (1) virtual pet game.
For all those who look at it, the pokemini IS just a shitty gameboy with Pokémon themed titles. All save for Pokémon breeder: the final game on the system, which is actually one of the most adorable charming tamagotchi type Vpet games out there.
Here’s my theory with the pokemini
Late 90’s tamagotchi fad is in full effect, VMU and pocketstation especially are nutso popular (moreso pocketstation)
Nintendo throws their secondary hardware team at a similar device.
This is in the midst of gameboy color existing, and gba being on the horizon.
The device is built on Nintendo’s earlier virtual pets like
and keeps the IR transmitter for communicating with the GBC (and upcoming GBA, which still had IR functionality at this time)
that the MPG 101 had
Then for whatever reason, it got pushed back till the end of 2001. Nintendo basically just gives this over to the Pokémon company and says
“here you go, we made Tetris as a test game, you do the rest”
and then Pokémon company went
“What the fuck is this we don’t care about this”
Then shoved it onto denyusha and Jupiter. As in the Wii Play guys.
They go “uhhh idfk minigames I guess” then shit out the most okay library of 10 games ever- barely before the GBA hits store shelves and kills the remaining interest for it.
Cont
I don’t think the idea was for it to be a weird minigames console. I think the idea was to be “nintendos next Vpet” pocket pikachu sold well, they started licensing the hardware to other studios for the hello kitty and Sakura pets (both sold quite well, hello kitty especially)
I’d go so far as to even say I THINK it was meant to be a full on companion device to the GBC/GBA
Ever wonder why the pokemini comes in weird colors?
Whopper blue, chikorita green, and smoochum purple?
The official answer is “surveys said those were some of the most popular pokemon”
But I think the real answer is that they’re in pairity with the GBC colors
It’s the same green, the purples match. A prototype real console was found that matches the real GBCs.
Then there’s the accessories. For some weird reason- the Pokémon mini accessories come in a variety of colors that the hardware doesn’t. Like, berry red and dandelion yellow.
What about wooper blue? That’s definitely a different blue than the blue gbc.
Remember this was in between GBC and GBA. And what colors were prototype GBAs shown off in?
Wow the same fuckin blue, I bet they were trying it in those colors too, maybe just liked that one better idk
Call me a schizo but I like my theory
Picrel is the dandelion yellow case
And a very TEAL pouch
You could also get straps in 5 designs
Umbreon, Smoochum, Chikorita Strap, Magby Strap Wooper Strap
Oh wow yellow purple green red and blue no fucking way
Again maybe I’m schizo but I want to believe in my silly little theory
Just made this. See look guys it’s REAL
also the prototype GBAs are actually way more teal than I remembered. They match the gbc
theres backlight kits for the pokemon mini https://handheldlegend.com/products/backlight-for-pokemon-mini?variant=41925788483
i saw someone put one inside a pocket pikachu too
Yeah they kinda suck though, all the ones I’ve seen prevent the console from closing all the way. Though I’m sure it could be made to fit right with some effort
This looks like it closes fine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sgWC9lLNCo
also this is whee i saw it in the pocket pikachu https://www.reddit.com/r/tamagotchi/comments/oduiab/installed_a_backlight_with_a_tiny_switch_for_my/
>This looks like it closes fine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sgWC9lLNCo
Did you actually watch this video? At the end he shows it has to be left slightly apart, because tightening the screws all the way makes the case push on the screen and cause spots.
>Here is a handheld that is practically on par with a 2D-only PS1
Not with that sound chip lmao
Why is the GBA farting?
Because it was physically incapable of playing certain ranges/soundscapes, particularly basslines and sustained notes. Every time you hear a SNES or Genesis port on the GBA it sounds like that because they didn't account for these limitations.
Except DKC3, David Wise only had 6 weeks to do the port's music and rewrote the entire fucking OST so it wouldn't sound like audible diarrhea on the GBA, that's how much he cares about his work as a composer even when DKC3 was originally scored by another person, who he had originally trained to take over while he was working on Project Dream.
>have GBA ALTTP & Four Swords
>also have GBA link cable
>never know anyone that also has Four Swords
never got to play it but thought it looked cool
I guess I'll watch a Let's Play of it
If you pirate the DSi port you can play that one solo, it lets you swap between 2 links.
It’s not great alone but it works. It’s also got a few more stages
fun games are fun even in monochrome 32x32
I like the Indiana jones pocketstation game from pocket muumuu
There’s no gameplay online so I’ll draw it
It gets tricky as the path to the temple gets longer and longer. It’s like Simon, but with the twist of having to flip flop the order, and having the break where you dodge the snakes and grab treasure, (which makes you forget the order)
So then you have to quickly re-remember the order of the traps, then flip it back again
It’s simple and fun I like it. Stays on my keychain 🙂
indy lookin a tad thin there bud
wow
I had completely forgotten about the GameCube link with GBAs. I never played the Zelda one but we played the FF game and it was surprisingly good.
>we are NOT making a portable Saturn.
Lazy bastards!
Pocketstation was competing with the VMU, your reasoning is false equivalency