They were on track to improving when 13 and 15 weren't exclusive to a single platform. Now they regressed. It's been months since release and a release date for a second platform hasn't even been announced yet.
Exclusivity doesn't seem to help third-party developers in this market as it once did. It makes more sense to support as many major platforms as you can, the hardware differences between PS5, XBX and PC are almost negligible at this point, only the Switch and Apple Silicon Macs are the major outlier now.
Wasn't the free Sony payment supposed to make up for any lost sales on PC/Xbox? The typical deal that Sony makes with Japanese devs to keep games off Western platforms seems to have worked in the past for some games. I wonder what changed.
Most Japanese devs moved away from Sony exclusives/timed exclusives last gen, and most of them are seeing great success on PC now. The PC market is too big ignore nowadays and Square Enix is suffering the consequences of clinging onto a dying practice.
>The PC market is too big ignore nowadays and Square Enix is suffering the consequences of clinging onto a dying practice.
Good thin Square Enix has embraced the even bigger mobile market.
But I thought their influence in the mobile market was actually shrinking? Of course, their position is huge, so it would take years of decline to see financial troubles, but I really wouldn't bet on them in the future
It's simple. The mobile market is bigger than the PC market which is bigger than the console market. This is why FF16 should've been on mobile platforms.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Phones can't run it and normies are going to go to playables when that shit launches. That's the moment when unity commits sudoku and drags gacha fags down to the trash where they belong.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Is there a single phone today that could run a game as demanding as FF16?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>This is why FF16 should've been on mobile platforms.
lmao
perfect scenario for the gooch's triumphal return to SE armed with his 10 years of mobile kusoge expertise
blaming ps5 is the cult of yoshits last refuge of cope
Talk to yourself all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that no mainline Final Fantasy was worse than the combination of XIII and XV, yet they still printed money.
Btw if you like ff songs you should at least hear the new compositions of the first soldier in the new mobile game. Probably the biggest uematsu vibes i've seen in long time.
If you think 15 is any sort of good thats cope or you've always had bad taste, you're the problem. Now call me your boogyman despite not being him, jump through the hoops.
BG3 is successful in spite of turn-based.
It's the open-endedness/custom characters/freedom of BG3 that attracts people. Not the combat.
If Square wanted to do turn-based for a major AAA release, they would need to do something else than their standard "completely on rails hallway simulator with epic cutscenes and long dialogue with no actual input into that dialogue" design. Doubt that's something they're willing to do, but who knows.
I like BG3, but lets not fool ourselves, BG3 is FotM and attracted people due to word of mouth and the bear sex memes
historically, CRPGs do not sell anywhere close to what BG3 sold
not really. It's big because of how open-ended it is and the different ways you can approach problems/quests. hardly FOTM stuff, that's just a weird Ganker cope thing.
>their standard "completely on rails hallway simulator with epic cutscenes and long dialogue with no actual input into that dialogue" design.
is ff13 the only final fantasy game you ever played?
anon. Replay any Final Fantasy game.
Level design has forever been Square's worst flaw, and it transcends across al their teams and continues to this day. FF7 Remake. All hallways, just well disguised hallways because they have interesting stuff in those hallways.
Earlier ones did a better job giving you the illusion of "not a hallway", 13 was simply the absolute worst one that couldn't hid it at all.
Bear Fucker 3 sold gangbusters.
Pokeymanz always sells like crazy despite getting more lazier and unfinished.
Even Mario X-com which is ubishit managed to sell well, least the first one did.
Baldur's Gate 3 is the biggest game in 2023, and it launched on PC exclusively for a few months.
>b-but muh Baldurs Gay!
It succeeded in spite of being turn-based, not because of it. See
Because turn-based combat was always fucking awful. Also, bg3 is success is largely due to algo cattle being riled up. Not because humans are making choices
Yeah like Pokemon
Pokemon games are currently in the gutter. The franchise only coasts through its brand.
Because turn-based combat was always fucking awful. Also, bg3 is success is largely due to algo cattle being riled up. Not because humans are making choices
no preferred shares btw
anyway ur the cancer killing ff (stagnation)
thanks alot
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>preferred shares btw
do you even understand what that means and why it doesn't make a difference?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
He probably thinks it means he's smart when he's just going to end up as the preferred bag holder lol
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
It does unless you're going to bother explaining how, which I know you probably won't.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
preferred shares are still ownership in the company you fucking retard. it just means they get PREFERENCE in salvaging the company's assets if it fails, and may or may not get "official" stockholder voting rights, but tencent still owns 30% of the company and you're double moron retarded if you think they don't hold sway over larian's decisions if they want.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
That's not how that works, retard. The belief that shareholders own companies specifically stems from the idea that their ability to vote gives them power over the entire structure of the company. If they do not have any voting rights, this concept does not apply to them. They own nothing and the only thing they are entitled to is dividend payments and preference for payouts in light of liquidation. Go read a book before trying to talk about things you do not understand.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
yes I'm sure the ability to tank a third of your fucking value on a whim doesn't give them any power. it's just a coincidence that all of the degeneracy being pushed by gay bear sex 3 happens to coincide with the same subversive propaganda that china has been pushing on the west for years.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Not only do you not have an argument after getting BTFO but you're bringing up random schizo shit like a crazy person. >it's the chinks shoving gay shit in my games!!! NO ONE ELSE WOULD DO THIS!!!!
See
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
tencent owning a third of larian, and larian being the most degenerate game of the year outside of actual porn games, are not "schizo shit" you colossal bearfucking gay.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
The bear sex thing that only one class out of twelve can do and that will be missable by even most people that actually play that class really mindbroke you huh?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>that only exists in the game specifically because of one shareholder >there is no other reason why fag shit might be in my rpg >yes i'm going to ignore other crpg's having similar things like how in Arcanum you could fuck a goat >no, I am no insane, the voices in my head tell me so
Meds, take them ASAP.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>wanting euros from tencent
At least buy the off shore ADR for the USD lol. I bet you were one of those guys who loved it when Lighting went to Paris in XIII
No mf. Turn based combat in final fantasy was always shit. The primary reason it did well was because it had unique settings with pretty boy MC's that gave you a sense of wonder in a sea of lord of the rings clones.
The problem for FF is that games now have better settings and character creators have gotten to the point where everyone can be happy.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
The point is that turn based combat isn't the 'detractor' that square boomers think it is. This isn't 2005 anymore, the success of Baldur's Gate 3 proves that a game can be an RPG first and still succeed in 2023.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Baldur's Gate 3 proves that a game can be an RPG first
ball dirt gay 3 was advertised as a sex simulator for degenerates, not a roleplaying game.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Then why were people playing it still a month after release despite not being what it was supposedly advertised as? You probably haven't played it but most of your BG3 playtime will be spend walking around and doing combat
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
i dunno anon, why don't you check any of the myriad of the low quality bot threads for it on Ganker and tell me if you see waifu posting and porn bating, or genuine discussion of "roleplaying"?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
this show that next FF should have multiple romance option and sex scenes be like persona, with dating sim system set in magic fantasy academy, doing adventure guild and shit
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Square Enix should pivot into exclusively Only Fans content for Yuffie, Tifa and Aeris. There, I just saved SE, now give me Rebirth you morons.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>now give me Rebirth you morons.
when the fuck are you retards gonna ever learn? sheesh!
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
7re was good what are you talking about
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>7re was good
kys
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
it is way better than 16 if that is what you were implying
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I mean, it IS a literal rape of their most beloved game, cut up and sold to you as a >trilogy
originally announced as simply >episodic
without a hard number because they couldn't gauge how gnomish and kingdom hearts like they could make it before the first release, and it did have quite a lot of LGBTQ >propaganda
but it was much better than XVI yes, obviously.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
That's how fucking bad XVI is btw
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I don't care about sex scenes, but more dynamic and customizable character/party interaction and choice would be great. Just having an actual traditional Final Fantasy party again would be a nice change of pace since we haven't gotten that for like 15 fucking years.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Unironically would probably sell well. Just include a character creator and you'll create the next Persona (and you'll be able to capitalize on it because P6 will take awhile)
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
you say that but cold steel games are pretty mediocre
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I mean can you create your own custom character in cold steel? At least in the persona games with fixed protagonist designs your a blank state. But cold steel as far as I'm aware is just Rean's Gary Stu Ride. Also generally Falcom's smaller budget limits them.
>let's take a Japanese RPG and turn it into a generic CYOC adventure!
no.
Still more choice than most jrpgs. I think the success of BG3 is because people like creating a character and then being part of an epic story, this is also why I think XIV did well.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>people like creating a character and then being part of an epic story
I sure LOVE it when my character isn't a part of the plot, all the "plot-lines" diverge only within an inch of each other, and all dialogue choices converge 1 or 2 lines later.
Video games are not and will never work as animated CYOA books.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
ehhhh I think you're exaggerating
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>sex scenes
Straight scenes aren't allowed in $current_year. It has to be either homosex or bestiality.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
then why does BG3 have so many straight sex scenes then?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
you're playing the game wrong you NAZI CHUD
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
yuri
traps
gender bended childhood best friend
there problem solved
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>yuri
Ok, but it will be between man-faced indapindent womynz who dunt need no men >traps
best I can do is drag queens >gender-bended childhood best friend
"xir" will love you platonically
Thanks for playing
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
its a japanese games so they dont have to cater hard
like they can add a cute brown tomboy instead of a strong independent black woman with an afro
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Every Turn Based FF generally did well. >Stop doing ATB. Games get worse. >Can't be that.
Call the Zoo, the Gorilla is loose.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Real time combat has always been shit too. What which made BG3 such a success was never the combat but the gameplay outside of the combat. Same with the Persona and Pokemon games.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>What which made BG3 such a success was
clever marketing >and nothing else
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>What which made BG3 such a success was never the combat but the gameplay outside of the combat. Same with the Persona and Pokemon games.
Games are greater than the sum of their parts. This is why deconstructing games is such a fruitless endeavor. You can say a game has "melee combat, building construction, team management" and it might apply to 100 games that are all wildly different from each other.
They're competent, that is all. If it was not for the bear scene going viral no one would even know their name.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Did the bear scene happen in 2015? or 2017?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
They largely weren't known back then. I played divinity 2 when it came out and I just thought it was a 7/10.
Legitimately amazed at how well they've managed to absorb coomers and fujos into dnd.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Ok but no one cares what you think, they were largely unknown before OS1 but once that came out they were a common name in the industry and one of the only if not the only good game to come out of kickstarter.
Maybe you should take a breather and understand that good games sell, regardless of their genre or what you perceive to be popular or unpopular.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I like BG3, but lets not fool ourselves, BG3 is FotM and attracted people due to word of mouth and the bear sex memes
historically, CRPGs do not sell anywhere close to what BG3 sold
Anons, DOS2 sold as much as FF7Remake if not more
Also strange to say BG3 is FotM when it has greater player retention than even Elden Ring. Are you saying Elden Ring was also FotM?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
God yes. From slop fags are legit retards who eat recycled shit and think it's gold.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>tencent shilled game has more """""retention""""" than a year and a half old game
wow that's meaningful
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Retard. Do you even know what is being discussed? We are comparing their retention to their respective releases.
God yes. From slop fags are legit retards who eat recycled shit and think it's gold.
Regardless of your opinion on its quality, you must admit that Elden Ring was an anomaly and most certainly not forgotten about, which does not fir the definition of FotM
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Elden ring fags are algo piggies were baited by youtubers who regurgitate shit they skimmed off of Ganker and condensed them into easily consumed videos. There's no thought coming from them.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>We are comparing their retention to their respective releases. >we
no, you are. i'm calling you a retard for "discussing" irrelevant things.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
How is it irrelevant? When compared to Elden Ring, Baldur's Gate 3 held on to more players. Even a month after release, it was still pulling in highs of 400k. That's extremely rare for a single player release, even a AAA one.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>When compared to Elden Ring, Baldur's Gate 3 held on to more players
elden ring had more peak players despite being multiplat, and had a 60% drop in retention after 1 month. gay balldirt 3 hasn't even been in official release for a month and already has a 62% drop in retention from its peak, 2 points higher loss than elden ring had.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
anon-kun..... you've been in a coma for 10 days......
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
still has more players than the other big release of 2023, shartfield
BG3 has legs, you cant deny it
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>still has more players than the other big release of 2023, shartfield
on steam lol. starfield was multiplat with the bulk of its players on gamepass. bg3 is following the standard trend of all fotms in losing over half its players in under 1 month. that's not legs. it MIGHT get legs if they release modding/module/campaign editor tools like they said they would, but until then there's nothing to suggest it's anything more than fotm (just like elden ring was)
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yoshit Piss cultists are the most deluded
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>ctrl f >yoshit >18 results and counting
who do you think you're even responding you you autistic schizo.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Elden Ring is most certainly FotM
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
FF16 is not even FOTD. It sucked that badly.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
In your estimation then, is there any single player release that ISNT FotM?
I generally don't even like western slop like anything made by Bioware, Bethesda, or Blizzard, but I bought BG3 on a whim and it's turned out to be one of the most fun games I've ever played.
Because it's an actual immersive fantasy game
Baldurs gate has a consistent setting and game rules that has been curated for decades to be fun and interesting, it's not my goth belt dude used firaga and dealt 9999 damage on mecha dragon god, I'm going to finish him up with the retarded main character that uses a football as a weapon
Can you explain the final fantasy world to me ? What does FFX have to do with XIII besides being retarded ?
because there is more to the game than its combat system. considering square enix is developing it, the game will still be boring jrpg 4 bros in a row turn based shit with zero interesting things to do, shitty side quests, lack of player choice, limited world and so on.
nowadays games selling gangbusters rely on whether there's interesting shit to do in the game. making xvi turnbased won't turn it into BG3 for example. i just dont see squenix having the ambition to make something like that.
Bear Fucker 3 sold gangbusters.
Pokeymanz always sells like crazy despite getting more lazier and unfinished.
Even Mario X-com which is ubishit managed to sell well, least the first one did.
>b-but pokemon!
It's pokemon. >b-but Persona!
People only play for their waifus. >b-but Honkai star rail!
People only play for their waifus. >b-but Baldurs gate!
People only play for sex scenes.
Capcom has been producing good games and putting them on multiple platforms.
I hope whatever Sony is paying Square for this bullshit exclusivity was worth it.
>make good games, or at least games that people like with a few duds in between, meanwhile Square is on probably a double digit flop streak of garbage almost nobody likes >in-house engine actually works and can be used for all of their projects, meanwhile Luminous was essentially scrapped after 10 years in development and the studio is paying the Ebin tax to use UE now >sells on every platform that can carry their games instead of signing short-sighted exclusivity deals
Yeah, Capcom is not run by retards, at least for now. Their only full-on case of clinical retardation is sitting on IPs like Dino Crisis and Darkstalkers, but whatever they do put out is usually good (once again, other than the occasional Exoprimal, which I have to guess was done as a joke or some kind of tech demo).
They and From Software have completely supplanted Square as the quintessential Japanese game dev.
No one has ever cared about darkstalkers besides coomers. Honestly, they could put Morrigan in the Dragon's dogma 2 as a romance option and all the "demand" would disappear overnight.
Genuinely what was Square thinking with shit like Forspoken, the botched FFCC Remaster, Foamstars, Babylon's Fall, ect? They've been out-of-touch for a while now.
ff15 is one of the most successful entries in the entire series. ff7r was the huge flop compared. ff16 "failed to meet expectations" because it was a ps5 exclusive and nobody owns a ps5. it will probably blow up once it comes to PC, assuming they don't retard out again and make it epic exclusive like ff7r
>ff15 is one of the most successful entries in the entire series
A majority of its sales were from 10+ years of expectations. Yes, it was a financial success for them, but it definitely affected people's opinion of Final Fantasy. Also consider that the game was packed with product placement ads like Cup Noodle, Coleman camping shit, Samsung phones, American Express credit cards, their multiplayer expansion was dead on arrival and got shutdown shortly after, and Tabata left Square after this mess.
Capcom is a great example because they once made the same stupid decisions as SE, once they (mostly) put those ideas behind them they started to take off. Fromsoft also dodged a bullet, imagine if they had fallen for the full on exclusive meme.
>meanwhile Luminous was essentially scrapped after 10 years in development and the studio is paying the Ebin tax to use UE now
seriously what's up with SE and their proprietary engines that even they have trouble using to the point they scrap it after a couple games
crystal tools was the same, years of development only to use it for the XIII trilogy, XIV and nothing else
Poor decision making from the people at the top, always has been their issue. They could put the time and effort into making a proper engine...... orrrrrrrrr they could buy Eidos!
SE never gathers enough experience on their new engines since their games take so long to develop while Capcom is pumping out all sort of games with RE engine from Resident evil to ghost n goblins.
don't forget about square non stop pushing their waste of money EOS gacha mobile shit, meanwhile capcom pretty much stay away from it, or just lend their IP to third party developers like MH now
It has everything ff had previously. It was compared to ff7 over and over. It was considered a more normal FF after 12. Again dont try to rewrite something you werent part of.
>It has everything ff had previously.
except weapons you picked up were almost always useless because you just stuck with the one you pumped upgrade mats into
no towns to visit, aside from one or two flashbacks, towns just serve as more combat encounters
nothing to break the pace of combat, all side activities relate to battles, even X had people to talk to and stuff to do in its myriad of hallways
game's combat is deliberately held from you for nearly a dozen hours while you shuffle party members
Sphere grid but bad
I was around when it launched and I never noticed people comparing it to VII unless it was comparing Lightning to Cloud and the opening involving a train, the setting is massively disconnected from VII, being almost entirely sci-fi
I was gonna say combat was a mindless button masher, but honestly, every FF outside of the NES was brainlessly easy, so it gets a pass
>hold o to attack >press triangle to warp >sluncky magic >god summons are random >combos with party members are random and glitchy
ok
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
15 had dungeons and a sense of adventure, a map to explore makes it infinitely better than shitsteen
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
it was a generic empty open world map but yeah most of the dungeons were nice, shame you couldn't explore areas like niflheim
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
the map was thin I won't argue that but I still had fun travelling through it, seeing the sights, and finding new fishing spots, it was ridiculous how good that fishing mini game was
>add in a bunch of mcdonalds in the world >they have the exact same interior without any variance aside from the one at Hammerhead >literal irl advertisements for shit like american airlines >cup noodles
bravo Tabata
>completely linear stat growth for the entire game with literally no semblance of choice beyond certain characters being outright better in specific jobs
Yeah bro for real I love a $60 game that is barely distinguishable from a modern autobattle mobile game
FFX was the last FF game that felt like an FF game, the series never recovered from the lost of Hironobu Sakaguchi. Even the first Xenoblade Chronicles felt more like a FF game than FFXII (which it ripped off from).
13 and focusing on so many spinoffs absolutely killed the franchise. 14 1.0 was abysmal too, the fact that 2.0 managed to salvage it is impressive. 15 was terrible and unfinished at launch, in all honestly outside of 14 2.0 Final Fantasy has been complete shit for a long time now. 16 was at least somewhat of a return to form, it was actually a decent game but it felt a bit like it was FF14 Lite. Like how FF12 felt like FF11 Lite.
>hype up FF15 for 10 years >destroy it in development hell until it's unrecognizable and no longer the same game advertised for 10 years >release it extremely buggy and unfinished >consumer trust is destroyed >promise to update it until it's good >turn around and cancel all future updates and dlc because it's hopeless >consumer trust is destroyed (again) >wonder why every FF game after FF15 sells poorly in comparison
There was already no consumer trust in the third Fabula Nova Crystallis project, because of the two Fabula Nova Crystallis projects that came before it.
ff15 is one of the most successful entries in the entire series. ff7r was the huge flop compared. ff16 "failed to meet expectations" because it was a ps5 exclusive and nobody owns a ps5. it will probably blow up once it comes to PC, assuming they don't retard out again and make it epic exclusive like ff7r
>ps5 install base
if you're counting "shipped units" sure, they're all owned by scalpers or rotting in wal mart warehouses. nobody who plays rpgs has a ps5. they all have a switch and a PC.
>bigger than the ps4 install base during ff15
no lmao. 6 months ago it was millions behind the ps4 during the same point in its lifecycle and I doubt it made up that difference over a summer of nogames. and the console just isn't organically popular in the real world. i don't know how they arrive at their numbers but there's definitely some garden gnomery going on, because despite the alleged "install base" in the tens of millions, ps5 games themselves are seeing abysmal sales, as nobody actually plays games on the system for some mysterious reason. ff15 sold over 10 million copies, so how could a comparable "install base" lead to less than a third of the sales with the next entry? it's not just ff16, it's every game on the console. the console's top seller thus far would barely crack the top 15 list on ps4 despite having an allegedly comparable "install base"
Pretty much this
People predicted that the fallout from FFXV would last for years on end, and I suspect the main reason SE didn't feel immediate pressure was because of XIII's surprise success
XIII are good games. The reason they are hated is because they were on XBOX where retarded journos will claim that "it feels wrong for a such Japanese game to be on MS platform and not PlayStation".
It had a pretty unremarkable release. There was some chatter about it and some people hated it, some people loved it, but I think most just thought it mediocre. The primary critique was the game is on pretty tight rails for 70% of it.
Which is why this quote is always thrown out of context. He was unironically right when he said this. Look at trendies and their reaction to the rise of Japanese games and JRPGs on the switch. A lot reacted negatively because that shit is foreign to them precisely because Nintendo of America (and western gaming as a whole) stamped that shit out in the mid 2000s to late 2010s.
Western gamers and journos are simply being hypocrits.
>eh this JRPG shit is so cringe - all this friendship stuff and uvu romance between a MAN and a WOMAN and at the end they kill god xd how stupid
>what? there is a new AAA open world game in development where i can have 20 companions who all suck my dick and i get to be a super powerful wizard, soldier, general and everyone worships the ground i am walking on? SIGN ME UP THIS IS GOTY THANK YOU AGAIN UBISOFT,BETHESDA,CDPR FOR MAKING THE PERFECT GAMES
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
If I'm being honest, technically, western games/RPGs are way better than japanese games/RPGs. Even as shit as Starfield, or as mediocre CP2077 is (it has gotten better), the shit that they created is vastly superior to the more controlled, linear experiences that japanese games tends to have. ToTK and Elden Ring blew up because they offered something that japanese games usually don't have.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>ToTK and Elden Ring blew up because they offered something that japanese games usually don't have.
a budget
the best japanese games are all low budget and FF was the JRPG exception but now it's high budget low quality
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
JRPGs provide a sense of cartoonish, anime-like adventure. A dashing lead character, the girl that will be his wife, his wacky bro, and then a cast of zany cartoon characters to adventure with. That's the appeal. When a good one comes out (once every few years) I still enjoy them as an adult, but I think they're better for kids. Western RPGs tend to be closer to tabletop with the focus being the ability to immerse yourself in the world as closely as possible (i.e. how in bethesda games you can take the oats out of some random barrel). This is more well suited for adults.
as for which is "technically" better, idk what that would even mean
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Japanese games are alot more restrictive with how you, the player, interacts with the world. That is something western games/RPGs is great at. From a technical standpoint a reactive world is so much harder to pull off but the immersion payoff is so much greater. The problem with how Square approach this issue is that, instead of trying to create a much more fun and interactive world, they bank hard on graphics and animation. Something that other games have pulled off much better. It stopped making them standout. It's not the PS2 era anymore. They're no longer at the top of the graphical hierarchy. If they want to get GTA numbers, they should've gone with a more immersive world. Something that people seem to enjoy. I believe, given the proper budget and hardware, MonolithSoft has the potential to elevate JRPGs to another level way more than Square has. I dislike Xeno's combat but I really do love running around in their world. If they can make the world and combat as interactive as ToTK, it'll propel Xeno as the face of the genre, more than muh pwetty gwafix FF. And I say this as an FF fan. I'm just tired of their dumb decisions, again and again.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Damn, agreed on all points anon. You are correct, it is definitely more technically impressive to create dynamic gameplay systems, and that tends to be a thing in western RPGs more than Japanese ones.
>Like I will play Planescape: Torment
Read. You will read Planescape: Torment
yeah and i will hold down turbo A button while I play DQV lol
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Honestly considering the recent successes the 'successful RPG trinity' would be an interactive immersive world, epic story, and self-insertion with romance. This can be done with either a western or japanese aesthetic, because the general audience of today does not care about that
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>This can be done with either a western or japanese aesthetic, because the general audience of today does not care about that
True. It's why it's so frustrating. SE loves to give big budget to an FF title. But they use it for other shit and kept designing the same game from rhe 2000's. XV has all the great ideas, but the execution is just terrible. XVI they dialled back hard. It's literally FFXIII in its design but with action combat. Luckily Clive isn't as annoying as the majority of XIII's characters.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
As an example, if SE were to copy BG3, they will make it look top down, with turn based JRPG combat. Instead of an open style combat approach that people actually liked. That's how dumb they are at trying to imitate successful RPGs
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>western games/RPGs are way better than japanese games/RPG
No. I hate generic empty playgrounds where there are no set plotlines to follow and all your options are half-baked because they were made with as much overlap as possible to allow devs to cut every corner they can.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Your whole worldview and thought process is informed by memes. half a person, maybe less
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Code Vein has a scene where the girls are only wearing a towel in a hotspring
"eh cringe fanservice - i thought we moved past that"
>Baldurs Gate has a dude sucking you off live on camera
"Yooo this is the service we were asking for!"
Literally happening all the time.
"It's okay when we do" is basically the ideology that the western devs are running on. Especially Sony who censor all kinds of nudity on Playstation except when it comes to their own First Party titles. TLOU 2 can have a sex scene. Other games especially from Japan can not.
It did fine. A lot of JRPGs on the switch sell great. The problem is the reaction some of these games garner from the general group of tendies raised on n64, GameCube, and wii.
The reaction to that quote is what convinced me Ganker really is full of zoomers. Before the Dragon Age/Mass Effect/Oblivion/Fallout 3Witcher 1 era of WRPGs, JRPG's were just calledf "RPG's" the majority of the time.
The JRPG already existed, but it was only about the time of those games that western media started using it as a pejorative to put "actual" western RPGs on a pedestal.
Don't believe it zoomzoom? Look up vidya magazine article archives before and after 2007.
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is that why yoship said not to use that phrase?
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Yes. To him and other Japanese devs at that time, they were just making RPGS. The weird divide only sprang up around 15 years ago. Precisely when the western industry started to both shit on their work AND publish less of their games.
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thanks I was just making sure you were a yoshitpisser who was tryingt to push one of your gay narratives. they're jrpg's then now and forever
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Cool bro. Just as your amerimutt overlords intended.
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>amerimutt
It's called the great American melting pot you dumb fuckin foreigner
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yoshit is a fraud
16 is a flop
yoshiters are in a cult
and they were always called jrpg's
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>The weird divide
the divide was really apparent early on. Japanese RPGs started taking on a more manga-like quality because they were being made for Japanese nerd audiences, who coincidentally fucking loved manga. Western RPGs were made for western D&D players so they focused on the "role playing" aspect more. I don't remember the first time I heard/used the term JRPG but it was a long time ago, definitely earlier than 2010.
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try the mid 90's. yoshichuds really do gameplan this shit on discord don't they. reminds me of garden gnomes saying le 4chon used to be leftwing psyops
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>Western RPGs were made for western D&D players
This audience dried up in 1992 as soon as Ultima crashed. Western RPGs were always desperate for bigger audience because being DnD RPG wouldn't sell alone. This is why all isometric RTwP shit sprang up because they wanted to use RTS hype
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I get what you're saying but any western RPG that came out between 1992-2000 was still heavily influenced by D&D, rather than being influenced by action movies or some western analog to anime.
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>Look up vidya magazine article archives before and after 2007.
No thanks and i will continue to call them jrpg's
People were hyped for XIII cause everything about it looked amazing.
The graphics were miles ahead of the competition and everyone felt like this could be just like FFX where Square Enix title just dominates the competition in every regard.
Then the game released and it turned out to be a 7/10 linear tunnel crawler. The hype alone sold the game enough to guarantee a sequel. Lightning Returns however only happend cause they needed a filler title to get the last bit of worth out of that old crystal tools engine before retiring it.
XVI was shit, mediocre game all around.
Meanwhile in turn they let XIV, their cash cow, bleed to death by giving it no content.
Masterfully done, square.
>mixed reviews
I wonder what that jap thought about Starfield. A game rated lower than XVI. kek. Is he seriously going to quote the 6m players guys! Maybe Square should've port the game to Microsoft. At least they could brag about the initial player number burst through gamepass to the """"investors""""".
I do too after literally buying a fucking PS5 just to play it, only for it to somehow be even worse than XV. I fucking had faith in Yoshida and he gave me a colossal pile of shit. Its so bad I don't even want to play XIV anymore.
I've never played 14 but the way yoshiters pumped him up on Ganker while ad homming every doubter made me think there was hope. turns out it was hopeless and the cult of yoshit is insane
I'm curious as to why you feel that way. Could you go into more detail for me? I don't think too highly of XVI myself, but I think to say that would be going a bit far.
XIII is boring
XV is a mess
XIII-2 is good albeit a lower budget XIII sequel
LR is ... interesting. kinda neat
XVI is somehow even more boring than XIII. significantly so. it's a slog to finish
probably because you have an extremely distinct posting style? you may as well put on a trip, everyone know's who you are and associate you with that name. it's like how everyone knows about the ick' on eck' poster or the vidya butts poster, your just a rather distinct individual.
Melbourne: 3.00pm. 62f. .sunny. if the lightning speed of this thread didn't clue you already then yes, it's barry season
Yoshit-Piss cultists have somehow dethroned bazztek in being schizophrenic ESL cult.
Mochizuki seething about FF16 is quite pathetic really. There was likely bigger expectations for it, but the game did fine. It more than likely is more profitable than 15 which had insanely long dev cycle + marketing + tons of side media. Don't forget that square sold FF15 license to some ridiculous mobile game (A new Empire - look it up - its insane) which is likely where a lot of the game's profit came from, not from the actual release of FF15.
FF7R was a cleaner release, but generally sold less. The exclusivity deals for it and 16 were both mistakes, every other jap studio has recognized that appealing to a single platform is no longer viable, capcom, from, etc all enjoyed large growths on PC and to a lesser extent on xbox.
At worst its stagnation for the company as a whole and FF. But the good news is that the new CEO seems more reasonable, FF16 is going to be on steam day 1 when it comes out on PC, no egs exclusivity, and FF14/FF7Remake is getting an xbox release soon.
your hero is currently slumming in mobage hell, making games for applefags who dont buy it
he has not done anything noteworthy since lost odyssey 16 years ago, his only decent game post SE
>square dying >conveniently sucking up to Microsoft
Betting my house on square enix becoming the next publisher tied to gamepass after EA, Bethesda, ABK and sega. FF7r, FF16 will be gamepass games this time next year. Other releases will be day 1. It's so easy to see at this point.
>FF7r, FF16 will be gamepass games this time next year
Part of Sony's exclusivity deals are clauses that forbid games that "benefit" from it from ever ending up on Game Pass specifically.
This has been known since the ABK trial.
>xiv is the only thing keeping your company afloat >instead of choosing to invest further into the game at the peak of its popularity, put it on complete maintenance mode with no forays, phoned in story, phoned in relic quests, and slow the patch cycle down by 50% on top of that >take half the devs that work on it and have them make a generic action game instead with nothing interesting going for it, and make it an exclusive on a dead console
It has to be some kind of intentional self sabotage. How could any company possibly be this incopetent?
Is this the part where agents and cronies of potential buyers try to lower SE's value to make it easier to buy? ~~*they*~~ have been circling SE for years now.
Nobody is practicing good opsec right now. It was agreed upon that new posters would attach screenshots showing the ip count to their first post in thread. This is a catastrophe
>Barry winning the battle against 16 was something i wasnt expecting. It's fucking insane how the stock of the company tanked after it.
I have never seen this happen, look the numbers of the last FF as comparison.
Gatcha is by far their top money maker and they recently killed a couple, plus Forspoken flopping. XVI is also too recent to have any significant data compiled on it
They routinely spend exorbitant amounts of money on marketing for pet projects that they can almost immediately. They've already put together this mobile garbage to try to sell to what exceptionally few people haven't caught on to the fact that they kill their mobile games, which had to have cost millions to develop, will never make back a full return on its initial investment, and will also be EOS within less than a year. If these POS side projects were made by an individual who just did an RPG Maker asset flip in a month, this might have been tolerable, but they're always huge budget works for extremely low quality productions that nobody wants to play.
This game wond die in a year tho. I feel like people have no idea of how SE probably has some of the oldest gachas in the market still going on, like brave exvius, that has 7 years.
The fact 2 games had EOS, one being a fucking battle royale, shouldnt be a parameter.
I genuinely wonder how a new FF would be received if it used a turn based combat style or ATB, but just smoother and faster, people really enjoyed stuff like Octopath Traveller and Bravely Default after all
why are you gays so obsessed with turn based when turn based FFs never took brainpower to play? go play shin megami tensei if you want turn based that's actually good
>miss the ATB system >no, not THAT ATB system
Just ask a western indie developer to make it.
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>somehow Western AAA game has sexier women than an FF game
strange...
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Yea, but you can do better than Shadowheart.
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most certainly true brother. I hope the success of BG3 means more westerners put actually sexy women in games, like fuck no one in BG3 is even a 10/10 yet their hot af compared to every other crpg lady in the past 15 years
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>compared to every other crpg lady in the past 15 years
Why would westerners put more hot ladies in games because the CRPG genre hasn't had any hot ladies in 15 years?
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cuz a crpg GOTY contender that sold like crazy has moderately hot women in it for once
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That's not gonna change the fact that other Western developers won't be making CRPGs.
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I mean Bethesda might actually do that with fallout because having a second 3d sci fi rpg would just cannibalize each other's modding scenes.
Also, it would probably be faster to develop too.
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I don't think Bethesda is going to be doing anything with Fallout for at least a decade.
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Yeah, that's exactly why I said that they'd probably make it isometric so that it doesn't take as long. Especially since they'd also have to start working on starfield 2 by the time es6 comes out.
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Or they could just wait until TESVI is done in 6 years to get started on FO5.
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If they did that starfield 2 would come out in the mid to late 30's and es7 would come out in the early 40's and fallout 6 would come out in the mid to late 40's.
If you don't see why having a third Bethesda rpg is legi unsustainable (especially since starfield lets them do everything fallout lets them do and more) I don't know what to tell you.
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Yea, Bethesda likes to cook. They spent 8 years with Starfield. If they want, they'll spend another only working on TESVI. They're not gonna be rushed.
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fuck I just realized what they're going to do because you said cook god damn it.
The ending to 6 is likely going to involve this kalpa ending and setting the seeds for the next one.
THE NEXT KALPA IS STARFIELD AND THE ALIEN MAGIC SHIT IS HOW THEY BRING EVERYTHING TOGETHER THAT WAY IT BECOMES A SCIENCE FANTASY SETTING THAT FUNCTOPNS AS THE MOST FLEXIBLE PLATFORM FOR ANY KIND OF MOD YOU CAN IMAGINE.
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Godd damn it I fucking kneel.
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>moderately hot women
The closest thing to a conventionally attractive white woman in the game is a man-faced, square-jawed elf who cucks you.
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but enough about Pathfinder
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Who? I don’t play west shit to be honest.
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I thought the same thing until I actually met Karlach. Her personality instantly won me over.
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I might in the minority who didn't like Karlach. I like using her because my way of approaching combat is just power through it using melee and shove. I just find her aggravating.
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Shitposting aside, the amount of spell combinations and battle permutations is night and day between bg3 and ff7ec.
>turn based FFs never took brainpower to play?
the NES games 100% did because not only were your resources extremely limited and you had limited opportunities to save, but your attacks don't redirect when an enemy dies, so not paying attention can fuck you up, especially when you are managing your resources in dungeons
I thought it had pretty positive reviews?
Plus it's a lot smaller in scope/budget than 15 or Forespoken which were massive money sinks
I think the exclusivity killed this one since a lot of people seemed interested
>I think the exclusivity killed this one since a lot of people seemed interested
can't wait for them to release it on the EGS and wonder why its not selling well on PC
you know they're gonna do it too. they didn't learn their lesson with ff7r and they won't learn their lesson this time. the old out of touch suits making the business decisions at squenix need to be purged. i just hope it doesn't take the total economic failure of the company to do it.
I'm surprised they didn't implement some sort of job system for the game, to let Clive seamlessly change jobs in combat and give him classic FF skills, feels like you could do a lot with it in an action combat setting like SoP but with higher production values
the whole Eikon thing feels like they are piggybacking off of XIV
>I think the exclusivity killed this one
When even fucking Sega isn't doing third party exclusivity anymore and you are, that's how you know you're behind the times and should change your business strategy.
Mostly positive in the west. Although some journos gave negative or mixed reviews because muh censored gay characters and muh politics. It didn't do well at all in Japan, mostly likely because it was heavily inspired by western Game of Thrones slop, and there's no lip sync for the JP dub.
It was very funny how Shill Up (a notorious XIV dicksucker who they flew out to fucking Las Vegas) gave FFXVI a bad review. Hated in both the West and the East, its tough for XVI.
Obviously not this year, but I was under the impression that Marvel Avengers was their biggest money sink to this day mainly due to just how much money they spent on it.
probably because you have an extremely distinct posting style? you may as well put on a trip, everyone know's who you are and associate you with that name. it's like how everyone knows about the ick' on eck' poster or the vidya butts poster, your just a rather distinct individual.
Barry, everyone was actually discussing what was wrong with Square and their mistakes in this thread before you started shitting things up. You're too mindbroken to actually have noticed that.
You're your own worst enemy.
XVI was simply a tremendously low quality game. The game was entirely carried by its big spectacle moments, but the other 95% of the actual gameplay was one of the most shallow and barebones games I've ever played. They gave up every single RPG mechanic in service of the action combat, and the combat turned out to have zero depth to it whatsoever. Every encounter is effectively the same. Attack dodge, blow your cooldowns when needed, blow them all during Stagger.
Yoshit-Piss cultists keep blaming everything and everyone except the game being mid and bland as fuck. It's beautiful seeing this cult that has infected FF finally purge in a fire.
>don't sell game on PS4 or PC, the platforms where the absolute vast majority of XIV players (the people who would conceivably be interested in buying a game just because of CBU3 being involved) are >WTF WHY DID IT FLOP WHERE ARE ALL THE FANS????
I'm a huge ff fanboy myself and have been since 2(4) on the SNES, but I don't play the mmos, don't own a PS5 (because it has no games, least of all rpgs which is most of what I play), and wasn't going to buy one just for one game. I'm not even sure I want to play it on PC either because playing ff games on PC just feels weird to me, but good luck to them when they finally do release it on there. Hopefully they make at least one smart decision and release it on steam without an EGS "exclusivity" period.
>good luck to them when they finally do release it on there
It'll be an EGS exclusive, the port will be FF7R-tier shitty because who cares about bad sales when the exclusivity check already passed and it'll fall into obscurity just like the PC versions of KH, 7R itself, SoP, TWEWY 2, etc.
Total Square Enix Death, I call it. Has to be an inside job, one of their execs is trying to kill the studio from within.
Welp, guess no more actual discussion of Square's major issues and failings, since now the Aussie schizo is going to derail everything.
Time to just shitpost and pretend 16 is the best thing ever made.
>censored Tifa >FFXVI's ending was "left up to interpretation" after the absolute shitfest that was FFXV's ending >Aeris is now Aerith for some reason >treated their acquired Western studios like shit before letting them go to Embracer >can't stop pandering to ESG
If this truly is the beginning of the end, I have no sympathy for any of them. The only truly great loss would be FFXIV. Even then I wouldn't miss that cesspit of a community.
>every post that says something negative about XVI is Barry
I thought XV sucked too. XVI just happened to suck even worse. XV at least kept me interested until the end. XVI started to become a chore to play around the time you got to the desert.
I see that the Yoshit-Piss ESL cultists are now obsessed with hating on BG3/ER for stealing FF16's lightning.
Your game just sucked. It carried the FF name but was made for retarded mobile players. Fuck you and burn in hell cultists. You are why we got in this situation to begin with.
I haven't played FFXVI because I'm waiting for a PC release
PLEASE tell me you can turn the numbers off, that shit is distracting since there's already a healthbar on the enemy
Wait, there is one part in this article that doesnt makes sense
>The company released a new mobile Final Fantasy VII game last week, but sales fell short of investor expectations. Square Enix’s stock have lost about 30% from its peak this year and on Wednesday was on track to close at its lowest since May last year.
Which game is he talking about?
Ever crisis launched 5 days ago and doesnt even have official numbers
Nah, the guy probably doesnt have idea of what he's writing about. If you read the whole report you'll find some incoherent parts.
I do believe in some parts.
Any sort of corporate business decision like this is informed by graphs and target numbers. None of those games hit the target they needed to according to some autistic number monkey, so therefore the IP goes in the trash.
The sad reality is that XVI only ended up getting 28% of the attention XV got. Yoshitpiss and his marketing team absolutely failed with the game and with marketing the game. XV even had a better demo than XVI did.
He's the guy credited with saving XIV and thus saving SE. I guess that did get to his head a bit. The failure of XVI might have been the black eye he needed to be brought back down to earth.
>One of the most recognized names among console and mobile gamers, Square Enix is on a streak of misfires in attempts to build another hit series to buttress sales, and it’s fallen behind rivals like Capcom Co. and Activision Blizzard Inc. in terms of market value.
This guy knows that ABK is almost 10 to 15 times bigger than SE, right?
So...can anyone explain why if 16 flopped, theyre making two expansions for it?
Its not some legal thing, they didnt sell a season pass so they didnt have to just shit out a dlc to not get sued like Forspoken. And if it was cut content it could be condensed down to just one big dlc like XV...
But two? I mean im no businessman but would that not mean xvi is a success worth investing more money into...?
Square probably copes with the flop by hoping the game will sell well on other platforms once the exclusivity period ends and they can just walk off the starting gun kneecap it was in time.
By the time the game comes out on EGS and a year later Steam they can have all the DLCs out, call it an ultimate edition and charge $70-90 for it.
because of the EGS exclusivity, I guess SE had no faith in it and decided to just take the upfront money from Sweeney
but it's a decent game, cool Nioh lite gameplay from Team Ninja and Jack is a funny MC
Then trust Square's own quarerly earnings report then chud. XIV is in a worse state than it was two years ago. This was in the quarter ending on June 30 2021, BEFORE the Blizzard lawsuit that brought tons of new people into the game. Endwalker has been such a disaster that it managed to completely wipe away the gains made during the WoW exodus.
This is their latest earnings report. The current revenue for their MMO segment is down to below the state the game was in before the WoW exodus. Not only did Endwalker not manage to keep anyone from that but it managed to lose some of its core players too. Endwalker has been a disaster with the community shitting on the lackluster patch content and patch MSQ left and right.
Now what are you trying to say with a graph from 2019?
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It kind of depend if you can read graphs and numbers or not.
unity already backtracked due to extremely bad press and said it was per initial install, not every install. and those gachacorps all have the premium enterprise whatever version anyway which is like 1 cent or 0.1 cents per install or something not 20.
>1 cent or 0.1 cents per install or something not 20.
so far. Give it a quarter and they'll try again. Especially since we're in a high interest rate environment and they aren't profitable.
>said it was per initial install, not every install
Per install is still fucking retarded. They haven't backed down on the install/re-install count right?
that's exactly what they backed down from. initial install = only the first time you install it. they also said they were no longer counting demos, and something about games on gamepass being microsofts responsibility rather than the devs.
though the question remains as to how they're tracking any of this.
I see. I thought they meant the first few months of installs. Sorry. Anon from another kept saying Unity have their own malware/tracker that are packaged with the engine. Apparently they can even track people who pirated the games.
Sometimes I think it's best for Square to rotate around their devs much more frequently so that they can be abit more varied in their vision. They kept Nomura and Nojima too long in KH, that they thought making cheap plot twist what makes a good story. They kept Yoshida in XIV for too long that it made him think MMO quest structure and GCD combat are good game design. Someone from the KH team should've told them GCD for abilities is dumb. In an MMO where you can weave in your combos with your party members, sure it can be fun. But doing rotations solo is fucking retarded. But I have to say, the reaction based inputs like counter and parry in XVI is so fun to pull off. If KH has the same system and proper balancing, 4 could potentially be as good as 2.
>Someone from the KH team should've told them GCD for abilities is dumb
what was the point of hiring some DMC combat guy lmao
XVI is DMC if DMC was an MMO for the elderly
>XVI is DMC if DMC was an MMO for the elderly
that's just FF now
iirc XV's combat was one button because the directors old man hands couldn't keep up otherwise
The thing with FF is that they're too much of a pussy to straight up abandon their turn based gays. They still think they need to water down their combat because they want some of those turm based gays to try their game and hopeylly liking it. It's absolutely fucking retarded. They kept pussy-footing it for a decade and it killed any potential. Also, who the fuck thought MMO sidequest for content is a good idea? I'd rather XVI be short but kept the pacing of the demo.
>Also, who the fuck thought MMO sidequest for content is a good idea? I'd rather XVI be short but kept the pacing of the demo.
yeah it's one of the biggest fuck ups. something is seriously wrong with the devs and directors to allow this.
Bring back overworlds you cowards, I don't care if it looks unrealistic. Overworlds were 90% of the soul in older jrpgs and full of mystery and intrigue.
>Now, seriously. If someone asked me which game would bomb really hard this year and go out like a wet fart, i would never answer the mainline FF. >The Demo had bigger impact than the full game.
16 never wanted to be FF.
just take the post count and subtract the posters and that's how many barryposts are in the thread. alternatively you can do a find on the page for "yoshitpiss" and that will show you most of the barryposts.
>FF IS DYING
Anon, FF has been dead for years. There was a point in time where Final Fantasy was a household name. Everyone had FF6 and FF7. But then FF13 flushed the IP down the toilet.
Look at this fucking chart. FF6 sold more than 3x as much as FF16, and that's NOT adjusting for inflation. If you adjust for inflation... $50 in 1994 would be worth $103 in 2023. FF6 made over six times the money FF16 did.
And that's just revenue. FF6 didn't have a retardedly inflated budget like FF16 did, so FF6 generated a ridiculous amount of profit (while FF16 is current net negative profit). I would love to see a chart of each game's net profit, but unfortunately that information isn't public.
It's literally because the people are still in the phase of "they might correct XIII's mistake" and also, it's during the peak of open world. Since FF is an old af franchise, people see it as an evolution. XVI for some reason went backwards in that aspect. Not that I want an open world, but fuck me do they need better people designing their map. It's fucking ridiculous how their map design is still stuck in the early ps2 era. Fuck, even FFXII have better map design than XVI. That fucker from XIII that they brought to design XVI's map should've been kicked out of the company. Motherfucker, I was hoping for at least XIV's map style with better animation. Not going back to fucking X. Are they dumb?
>But then FF13 flushed the IP down the toilet.
anon your own chart shows that 13 is above the middle mark for the franchise and every entry on that chart after 13 (not counting its own spinoffs/side stories) continued to sell even higher numbers.
and if we're talking chronoligically, an FFMMO2 expansion was the last thing they released before FF7R and FF16 flopped. I don't think it was a previous entry in the series that caused these flops either way. I think it was bad marketing and business decisions on their part, notably their playstation and EGS timed exclusivity. i'm sure the wider modern streamer fotm culture and constant "tortanic" doomposting of every big new release on every social media site also doesn't help.
and now pontificate upon the fact that all of these yoshichuds have anti barry folders filled with these retarded screenshots and cum their chud panties at the thought of showing them to barry
>lose your soul and spirit after getting big from two games in the 90s >all the good people leave/retire shortly after >make tryhard suckass for over fifteen years >fund it by taking the meager profits of all the other work >bleed dry and run up debts >never stop making tryhard suckass
Fuck square enix. fuck square. Squaresoft for life, and they died a long time ago.
>have a plethora of established IP's from the 90s and 00's >decide to never make sequels for them
It's their own fault for putting all their eggs into one basket with FF and KH then deciding to completely abandon all of their other IP's. Then they made the decision to buy Eidos to diversify their portfolio only to go full retard and sell the studios and IPs anyways. Square has been a shit show ever since Spirits Within. That movie fucking broke the company.
>sell all your IPs for NFT/crypto money >continue to do this >crypto tanks, might recover in a year, might not >fucking NO ONE likes NFT shit for gaming since it serves 0 purpose (""""owning"""" an item means nothing when it will never be usable in anything else again) >OOPS you sold Crystal Dynamics, Eidos Montreal and Square Enix Montreal to buy crypto! Final Fantasy is now more or less all you have left! >No Deus Ex, Tomb Raider, Marvel and GoTG game rights!
>FF starts to bomb because you spend 60 billion dollars to make the homosexual kiss scenes more prominent instead of even remotely trying to keep to a feasible budget >FFXIV is your only other product doing well >It's clear you have backed yourself into a corner from CRACKHEAD tier managerial decisions >price plummets
the most hilarious thing about selling off their western studios to embracer for $300m was that embracer then turned around and immediately licensed out the rights to tomb raider alone to amazon for $600m
what, axios? msn? dozens of other smaller but fairly reputable tech news sites? amazon themselves releasing news that they would be publishing the next tomb raider game? have a nice day retard.
yeah maybe this idea of "growth prospects" is the one that needs to be addressed lol
stop paying yourselves so much and maybe someone will buy somethin'
Sometimes I wish that this old ass IP would just actually live up to its name and just be a dead dead for good. I would actually look forward to Fgays killing themselves because it would be a far healthier outcome than bitching and moaning for 2 decades straight at this point.
Why is this gay on an eternal jihad against Square Enix? Did they stop sending him free shit and inviting him to events? Anybody who participates or has participated in access journalism needs to hang.
I don't own a console you gay cocksucker and the only reason I logon to FFXIV is so I can catch up with my friends while I'm posted overseas. I'm not sure what third world shithole your gayy ass is from but I hope it turns into Dresden very soon.
>setting
Cyberpunk >combat
Literally just copy 7R >art direction
Not by the Matsuno cicrlejerk that is CBU3 for sure >tone
Natsuko Ishikawa as the lead writer idk
Hire me Squeenix
>switches character >enemy aggro completely fucking changes to character you swapped to >no defensive options unless you use clouds shitty guard or tifa slide away from everything >pause the fucking game to do anything of value >aerial enemies
I honest to god don’t understand how this was praised but people ignored SoP and hate on XVI combat. I’m fully fucking convinced FF fans don’t understand good action games.
>7R had fantastic combat
i hated it. enemies ignore your party and only aggro you. Magic is clunky, there's one enemy in the sewer that was really annoying because it could only be reliably killed by magic, but it also used an unpredictable teleporting move. I know you can "git gud", I've seen the cuhrazy no hit runs and shit. I just don't want to git gud at it like I do with other games because it's not satisfying.
The “cuhrayzee” no hit runs are literally >spam effective spells >swap constantly to keep the enemy stunned because of rapid aggro switching
Or >tifa slide away the whole fight
It’s retarded
Max Dood was shilling the game so hard and even he thought XVI was inferior to the absolute bilge that was XV. I didn't even think it would be possible.
I just realized that the sarcastic "Square Enix is totally dying bros..." poster who would post Square Enix statista graphs totally fucking disappeared when the last quarter reports dropped fucking kek.
they will be on the verge of bankruptcy but will somehow make another magnum ops saving the company by the thread
after that they will waste all their money shitting out dozen of shitty game/movies to put them back where they were before
they already did it many times
Not even the verge of bankrupcy. This shit happens every time that a game doesnt do that well because suits are just that way. If you want to see what true bankrupcy is, go look Ubisoft or Embracer's numbers.
SE was unironically inclining for years, this year doing less doesnt mean bankrupcy.
No, of course not. In a year the stock will be back up even higher than before. It's just amusing that the smug gay thought Square Enix would have unending growth as if they were on the level of Capcom or FromSoft. Verification not required.
>the smug gay thought Square Enix would have unending growth a
I dont even think it's that, i think it's funny because SE threads are a timeloop for more than 15 years. So his posts are funny ngl.
No, of course not. In a year the stock will be back up even higher than before. It's just amusing that the smug gay thought Square Enix would have unending growth as if they were on the level of Capcom or FromSoft. Verification not required.
Wanna know why their numbers are shit?
-Balan Wonderworld
-Babylons Fall
-The Quiet Man
-Harvestella
-Chocobo GP
-Valkyria Elysium
-Diofield Chronicles
-Forspoken
-NEO TWEWY
Only to name a few.
The problem isn't FF16 only selling 3 million on a dead platform. The problem is having a huge number of very expensive projects all make no money whatsoever. None of the games pulled in players. Years of development time and money wasted entirely. This is whats killing SE
You think games only sell during the first week and after that never again?
CAPCOM and Bandai keep bragging about their old titles pulling in huge numbers every year. One Steam sale is enough to make the quarter look decent but Square Enix doesn't have the same bonus as they constantly release trash that nobody wants to buy even at a huge discount.
It's called trust, anon. After making shit after shit, then NFTs, AI remake of an old text based game that no one liked, spitting on FFVII's legacy, you'd think people would trust them to make a good game? XVI is just decent. Decent is not enough to bring back confidence. Unless VIIReb getting 90's across the board, I'd expect it to sell just well around the same ball park as XVI. Or even less. You fags might disagree, but trailer view count is indicative of interest. And VIIRebirth initial trailer floats around just about the same view count as XVI. And that is pretty scary.
>16 was actually incredible and had no issues
Your words, not mine. Next time try reading instead of angrily typing before digesting what's being said, you fucking moron.
>-Forspoken
this one must have stung, literally led to to the dissolution of an entire studio
and I guess valkyria elysium too, which is sad since valkyria profile fans waited a long time for it
rest were low budget low effort garbage, and at least they got to use yuji naka's patented balan wonderland "press O for the game to play itself"™ gameplay for XV lmao
there is no way babylon's fall had any kind of money behind it for example, that shit looked like it was made by platinum's interns on a shoestring budget
Platinum games generally look mediore.
Nier Automata , W101, MGR and the rest all look below average and don't waste much energy on shiny graphics. Doesn't mean the games don't take years to develop. Years you have to pay those studios.
I get that the devs have to be paid but Babylon's fall was barely a game and the armor catalog was lifted from xiv. There obviously wasn't much of a budget to go round
About time people stopped buying the Final Disappointment games. They're not even pseudo JRPGs nowadays, they're fucking hack and slash games with numbers floating around.
I can't believe people are comparing a forgoten realms dungeons and dragons game with a final fantasy game as if they were the same genre
It's like comparing Fortnite to Arma III
Final fantasy is not a roleplaying game franchise, it's an avant garde gay 13 yo goth girl fashion show parade with rudimentary combat
People bought BG3 because of romance and sex just like they bought Dragon Age because of romance and sex.
You don't understand the depth of anglo dishonesty. A large of number of people want to play H-Games while pretending them they don't like them.
Literally 70% of Persona sales come from US. You think suddenly people loved turn-based dungeon crawling? No they just liked the romance options.
If FFXIII came with a male, romance-focuced protagonist instead of lightning it wouldn't get a fraction of hate it received.
>FF would be better if you can create your own self insert and fuck the cute women
Yes I, and the rest of the world, agree. Now please notify the Square execs.
I love games with romance options, but they are a very very small part of why i enjoy them. I absolutely do not want to play a game dedicated to sex because i'm not a cumbrain with ED at age 22. I'm not anglo tho
>snow is protag instead >dont start out going out with serah but you can pick between the sisters, vanille, and oerba
i would probably romance lighting instead of serah
>US is now mostly minorities >anglos are an obscure minority relative to other white people including Arabs, Germans, Italians >Anglos still haunt their nightmares
They're just jealous our king can whore around on the side while their kings aren't allowed
It's also true about Baldurs Gate 2
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/david-gaider-interview-romanceable-companions-and-his-cancelled-planescape-sequel >They made romance options more of a big focus in the game >It sells like hot butter
also funny how one of BG2's biggest inspirations was FF7. Also Planescape torment took a log of inspiration from Japanese RPGs
It's time for another synthesis. Japanese anime-style crpg time!!!
Square Enix has to be the most sterotypically "we are just clueless greedy old Japs" company in the entire world.
Let's list it: >mismanage Final Fantasy, no one knows what the series is about anymore >try to pander to westerners with games like Forspoken and blindly follow ESG bullshit >follow every single soulless corporate AAA gaming trend possible >buy Eidos, then sell it years later for 300 million to Embracer, then they spend the money on a shitty NFT project everyone hated and was a total failre >btw Embracer sold JUST the Tomb Rider rights to amazon for 600 mil, so twice as much >still go for timed exclusivity with Snoy when the true money is in being multiplat nowadays >have a surprise hit game in NieR: Automata developed by Platinum, what do they do? never hire Yoko Taro for a big project again, NieR is only used for spin-off/low budget marketing projects or remaster at best and Platinum were hired to create a GaaS cashgrab title that was even more DoA than anyone expected, with 100 peak players in it's entire few month lifetime after which they shut down the servers
Is there anything else i forgot?
I honestly believe that companies like EA or Ubisoft pat themselves on the back every day that even if they are hated by the public, at least they are not as fucking bad as Squeenix. And there is nothing anyone can do to fix them at this point.
>no one knows what the series is about anymore
this lmao, at this point just what is the identity of this IP, they need to stop flip flop around the gameplay, it needs to be more than just big yellow chicken chocobos and primal gods
new "fans" cope and say that was always experimental and doesn't need an identity beyond chocobos and moogles
but yes it's fucking retarded to keep changing genres in the mainline and pretend like this was the vision when the first 10 games all followed the same fundamentals
>dude bear sex XD >dude android ass XD >dude big titty anime girls XD
It's simple. They need to go lewder. More shock value, more normie attention. I know Japan can do it.
>dude muh game of thrones audience XD
too bad their game came out so late that GoT was no longer cool even amongst westaboos and widely disliked because of the trash ending.
The funny thing is that GoT ended and collapsed in 2019. Yoshida had plenty of time to lean XVI away from being a GoT ripoff but he went full throttle with it anyway, and it did NOT pay off.
The best part of the game, which is the earlier parts, was the only part where it is the closest to GoT. Once the story introduce Ultima is when the story went full retard and the pacing got worse.
Not when Endwalker was shit and YoshiP is still preoccupied on xvi expansions. Dawntrail is going to have the fastest transition to maintenance mode out of all the expansions
One reason I don't take FFXIII criticism seriously is that the people who hated FFXIII were fellating Dragon Age Origins. I got fooled into playing that and it was literally more or a slog to finish. It had worse combat and nonexistent enemy variety buh muh choices
Yoship is literally right.
Nobody called fucking Mario RPG a JRPG. Or even FF6. It was just a RPG like all the other games.
Only when AAA started exploding with Bioware and Bethesda selling millions did people start using the terms WRPG and JRPG everywhere. Because WRPGs are big ambitious projects that push the media forward while JRPGs are backwards uninspiring titles that stick to the rules of the past and don't innovate in any way.
This kind of thinking is what got us the Capcom dark age when Inafune went full retard and went "Japan cannot make big games anymore we need our own Oblivion our own Call of Duty our own Halo" and so we ended up getting trash like DmC, Lost Planet 3 and Resident Evil 6.
Kingdom Come: Deliverance is excellent, I think a JRPG fan might actually find some real enjoyment in that one, it opens with your town getting burned down.
since I love all RPGs i never take any of that shit flinging too seriously. Like I will play Planescape: Torment and then the next day play Dragon Quest 5
>stick to the rules of the past and don't innovate in any way.
Literally the problem with Japanese gaming was trying too hard to add new things and constantly changing ways when gamers just wanted goyslop.
Most traditional JRPGs weren't even marketed to west.
One different aspect between JP and Western develop philosophy is that for West, games are more than games. The evolution should be that you would feel that you live in the game world. Where boundaries between real and fiction would blur. The Japanese don't get it that's why their game feel "stuck". They're just that, games, instead of living, breathing world.
When Elden Ring released you could see some Western devs criticizing the inventory stuff being on screen all the time. It would distract them from "being in the game". This is also why a lot of people chud out because they want to "be a woman" in the realest sense possible
>Mochizuki
gay.
They were on track to improving when 13 and 15 weren't exclusive to a single platform. Now they regressed. It's been months since release and a release date for a second platform hasn't even been announced yet.
Exclusivity doesn't seem to help third-party developers in this market as it once did. It makes more sense to support as many major platforms as you can, the hardware differences between PS5, XBX and PC are almost negligible at this point, only the Switch and Apple Silicon Macs are the major outlier now.
Do you have any source how much they get for exclusivity deals?
Or are you pulling data out of your ass?
Wasn't the free Sony payment supposed to make up for any lost sales on PC/Xbox? The typical deal that Sony makes with Japanese devs to keep games off Western platforms seems to have worked in the past for some games. I wonder what changed.
Most Japanese devs moved away from Sony exclusives/timed exclusives last gen, and most of them are seeing great success on PC now. The PC market is too big ignore nowadays and Square Enix is suffering the consequences of clinging onto a dying practice.
>The PC market is too big ignore nowadays and Square Enix is suffering the consequences of clinging onto a dying practice.
Good thin Square Enix has embraced the even bigger mobile market.
But I thought their influence in the mobile market was actually shrinking? Of course, their position is huge, so it would take years of decline to see financial troubles, but I really wouldn't bet on them in the future
It's simple. The mobile market is bigger than the PC market which is bigger than the console market. This is why FF16 should've been on mobile platforms.
Phones can't run it and normies are going to go to playables when that shit launches. That's the moment when unity commits sudoku and drags gacha fags down to the trash where they belong.
Is there a single phone today that could run a game as demanding as FF16?
>This is why FF16 should've been on mobile platforms.
lmao
perfect scenario for the gooch's triumphal return to SE armed with his 10 years of mobile kusoge expertise
They announced the PC version is in development a week ago
why do you retards keep saying this
exclusivity has nothing to do with it
the game is just shit
kys retard
blaming ps5 is the cult of yoshits last refuge of cope
Talk to yourself all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that no mainline Final Fantasy was worse than the combination of XIII and XV, yet they still printed money.
only homosexuals hate on 13. fact.
wrong
9 > 4 > X > 6 > 7 > 5 > XV > XII > 3 > 1 > 2 > 8
oh yeah and XIII after XII
XIII can never be the worst simply because of its godly OST.
like seriously is Hamauzu doesn't get a major game soon I'm gonna fuck some shit up
Btw if you like ff songs you should at least hear the new compositions of the first soldier in the new mobile game. Probably the biggest uematsu vibes i've seen in long time.
There is no reason for EC's soundtrack go that hard.
pikmin fears nothing
If you think 15 is any sort of good thats cope or you've always had bad taste, you're the problem. Now call me your boogyman despite not being him, jump through the hoops.
JLMY
>they were on track to improving because muh consolewars
>game quality? time, budget and marketing mismanagement? JRPG fans? lol what are those?
they need to go back to their turn based roots
Octopath Traveller 2 was literally released this year
I don't think most people even know what this shit is.
Great game. Octopath 2 was an objective improvement over an already stellar game.
>turn based roots
Turn-based doesn't appeal to "wider demographics"
DON'T look at the top sellers on Steam right now, bro...
BG3 is successful in spite of turn-based.
It's the open-endedness/custom characters/freedom of BG3 that attracts people. Not the combat.
If Square wanted to do turn-based for a major AAA release, they would need to do something else than their standard "completely on rails hallway simulator with epic cutscenes and long dialogue with no actual input into that dialogue" design. Doubt that's something they're willing to do, but who knows.
I like BG3, but lets not fool ourselves, BG3 is FotM and attracted people due to word of mouth and the bear sex memes
historically, CRPGs do not sell anywhere close to what BG3 sold
not really. It's big because of how open-ended it is and the different ways you can approach problems/quests. hardly FOTM stuff, that's just a weird Ganker cope thing.
>their standard "completely on rails hallway simulator with epic cutscenes and long dialogue with no actual input into that dialogue" design.
is ff13 the only final fantasy game you ever played?
anon. Replay any Final Fantasy game.
Level design has forever been Square's worst flaw, and it transcends across al their teams and continues to this day. FF7 Remake. All hallways, just well disguised hallways because they have interesting stuff in those hallways.
Earlier ones did a better job giving you the illusion of "not a hallway", 13 was simply the absolute worst one that couldn't hid it at all.
>b-but muh Baldurs Gay!
It succeeded in spite of being turn-based, not because of it. See
Pokemon games are currently in the gutter. The franchise only coasts through its brand.
Ball Hurts Gay III literally sells like gangbusters, why the fuck won't a turn based FF too?
That's a CRPG. Entirely different beast.
Then make a ff CRPG
Literally no one in the company can make a CRPG. The genre is almost exclusively western.
>Literally no one in the company can make a CRPG
holy my beer...
Didn't they like tried it wih Diosfield Chronicles?
>let's take a Japanese RPG and turn it into a generic CYOC adventure!
no.
>lets take a Japanese RPG and turn it into an action game with zero RPG elements
After XVI anything should be on the table.
for starters, squaresoft doesn't have an infinite legion of tencent shills
Because turn-based combat was always fucking awful. Also, bg3 is success is largely due to algo cattle being riled up. Not because humans are making choices
holy mother of cope, are you a square exec?
are you a tencent employee?
He does it for free.
no
preferred shares btw
anyway ur the cancer killing ff (stagnation)
thanks alot
>preferred shares btw
do you even understand what that means and why it doesn't make a difference?
He probably thinks it means he's smart when he's just going to end up as the preferred bag holder lol
It does unless you're going to bother explaining how, which I know you probably won't.
preferred shares are still ownership in the company you fucking retard. it just means they get PREFERENCE in salvaging the company's assets if it fails, and may or may not get "official" stockholder voting rights, but tencent still owns 30% of the company and you're double moron retarded if you think they don't hold sway over larian's decisions if they want.
That's not how that works, retard. The belief that shareholders own companies specifically stems from the idea that their ability to vote gives them power over the entire structure of the company. If they do not have any voting rights, this concept does not apply to them. They own nothing and the only thing they are entitled to is dividend payments and preference for payouts in light of liquidation. Go read a book before trying to talk about things you do not understand.
yes I'm sure the ability to tank a third of your fucking value on a whim doesn't give them any power. it's just a coincidence that all of the degeneracy being pushed by gay bear sex 3 happens to coincide with the same subversive propaganda that china has been pushing on the west for years.
Not only do you not have an argument after getting BTFO but you're bringing up random schizo shit like a crazy person.
>it's the chinks shoving gay shit in my games!!! NO ONE ELSE WOULD DO THIS!!!!
See
tencent owning a third of larian, and larian being the most degenerate game of the year outside of actual porn games, are not "schizo shit" you colossal bearfucking gay.
The bear sex thing that only one class out of twelve can do and that will be missable by even most people that actually play that class really mindbroke you huh?
>that only exists in the game specifically because of one shareholder
>there is no other reason why fag shit might be in my rpg
>yes i'm going to ignore other crpg's having similar things like how in Arcanum you could fuck a goat
>no, I am no insane, the voices in my head tell me so
Meds, take them ASAP.
>wanting euros from tencent
At least buy the off shore ADR for the USD lol. I bet you were one of those guys who loved it when Lighting went to Paris in XIII
No mf. Turn based combat in final fantasy was always shit. The primary reason it did well was because it had unique settings with pretty boy MC's that gave you a sense of wonder in a sea of lord of the rings clones.
The problem for FF is that games now have better settings and character creators have gotten to the point where everyone can be happy.
The point is that turn based combat isn't the 'detractor' that square boomers think it is. This isn't 2005 anymore, the success of Baldur's Gate 3 proves that a game can be an RPG first and still succeed in 2023.
>Baldur's Gate 3 proves that a game can be an RPG first
ball dirt gay 3 was advertised as a sex simulator for degenerates, not a roleplaying game.
Then why were people playing it still a month after release despite not being what it was supposedly advertised as? You probably haven't played it but most of your BG3 playtime will be spend walking around and doing combat
i dunno anon, why don't you check any of the myriad of the low quality bot threads for it on Ganker and tell me if you see waifu posting and porn bating, or genuine discussion of "roleplaying"?
this show that next FF should have multiple romance option and sex scenes be like persona, with dating sim system set in magic fantasy academy, doing adventure guild and shit
LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Square Enix should pivot into exclusively Only Fans content for Yuffie, Tifa and Aeris. There, I just saved SE, now give me Rebirth you morons.
>now give me Rebirth you morons.
when the fuck are you retards gonna ever learn? sheesh!
7re was good what are you talking about
>7re was good
kys
it is way better than 16 if that is what you were implying
I mean, it IS a literal rape of their most beloved game, cut up and sold to you as a
>trilogy
originally announced as simply
>episodic
without a hard number because they couldn't gauge how gnomish and kingdom hearts like they could make it before the first release, and it did have quite a lot of LGBTQ
>propaganda
but it was much better than XVI yes, obviously.
That's how fucking bad XVI is btw
I don't care about sex scenes, but more dynamic and customizable character/party interaction and choice would be great. Just having an actual traditional Final Fantasy party again would be a nice change of pace since we haven't gotten that for like 15 fucking years.
Unironically would probably sell well. Just include a character creator and you'll create the next Persona (and you'll be able to capitalize on it because P6 will take awhile)
you say that but cold steel games are pretty mediocre
I mean can you create your own custom character in cold steel? At least in the persona games with fixed protagonist designs your a blank state. But cold steel as far as I'm aware is just Rean's Gary Stu Ride. Also generally Falcom's smaller budget limits them.
Still more choice than most jrpgs. I think the success of BG3 is because people like creating a character and then being part of an epic story, this is also why I think XIV did well.
>people like creating a character and then being part of an epic story
I sure LOVE it when my character isn't a part of the plot, all the "plot-lines" diverge only within an inch of each other, and all dialogue choices converge 1 or 2 lines later.
Video games are not and will never work as animated CYOA books.
ehhhh I think you're exaggerating
>sex scenes
Straight scenes aren't allowed in $current_year. It has to be either homosex or bestiality.
then why does BG3 have so many straight sex scenes then?
you're playing the game wrong you NAZI CHUD
yuri
traps
gender bended childhood best friend
there problem solved
>yuri
Ok, but it will be between man-faced indapindent womynz who dunt need no men
>traps
best I can do is drag queens
>gender-bended childhood best friend
"xir" will love you platonically
Thanks for playing
its a japanese games so they dont have to cater hard
like they can add a cute brown tomboy instead of a strong independent black woman with an afro
>Every Turn Based FF generally did well.
>Stop doing ATB. Games get worse.
>Can't be that.
Call the Zoo, the Gorilla is loose.
Real time combat has always been shit too. What which made BG3 such a success was never the combat but the gameplay outside of the combat. Same with the Persona and Pokemon games.
>What which made BG3 such a success was
clever marketing
>and nothing else
>What which made BG3 such a success was never the combat but the gameplay outside of the combat. Same with the Persona and Pokemon games.
Games are greater than the sum of their parts. This is why deconstructing games is such a fruitless endeavor. You can say a game has "melee combat, building construction, team management" and it might apply to 100 games that are all wildly different from each other.
so why were divinity original sin 1 and 2 successful? why was Larian chosen over other developers to make bg3?
They're competent, that is all. If it was not for the bear scene going viral no one would even know their name.
Did the bear scene happen in 2015? or 2017?
They largely weren't known back then. I played divinity 2 when it came out and I just thought it was a 7/10.
Legitimately amazed at how well they've managed to absorb coomers and fujos into dnd.
Ok but no one cares what you think, they were largely unknown before OS1 but once that came out they were a common name in the industry and one of the only if not the only good game to come out of kickstarter.
Maybe you should take a breather and understand that good games sell, regardless of their genre or what you perceive to be popular or unpopular.
Anons, DOS2 sold as much as FF7Remake if not more
Also strange to say BG3 is FotM when it has greater player retention than even Elden Ring. Are you saying Elden Ring was also FotM?
God yes. From slop fags are legit retards who eat recycled shit and think it's gold.
>tencent shilled game has more """""retention""""" than a year and a half old game
wow that's meaningful
Retard. Do you even know what is being discussed? We are comparing their retention to their respective releases.
Regardless of your opinion on its quality, you must admit that Elden Ring was an anomaly and most certainly not forgotten about, which does not fir the definition of FotM
Elden ring fags are algo piggies were baited by youtubers who regurgitate shit they skimmed off of Ganker and condensed them into easily consumed videos. There's no thought coming from them.
>We are comparing their retention to their respective releases.
>we
no, you are. i'm calling you a retard for "discussing" irrelevant things.
How is it irrelevant? When compared to Elden Ring, Baldur's Gate 3 held on to more players. Even a month after release, it was still pulling in highs of 400k. That's extremely rare for a single player release, even a AAA one.
>When compared to Elden Ring, Baldur's Gate 3 held on to more players
elden ring had more peak players despite being multiplat, and had a 60% drop in retention after 1 month. gay balldirt 3 hasn't even been in official release for a month and already has a 62% drop in retention from its peak, 2 points higher loss than elden ring had.
anon-kun..... you've been in a coma for 10 days......
still has more players than the other big release of 2023, shartfield
BG3 has legs, you cant deny it
>still has more players than the other big release of 2023, shartfield
on steam lol. starfield was multiplat with the bulk of its players on gamepass. bg3 is following the standard trend of all fotms in losing over half its players in under 1 month. that's not legs. it MIGHT get legs if they release modding/module/campaign editor tools like they said they would, but until then there's nothing to suggest it's anything more than fotm (just like elden ring was)
Yoshit Piss cultists are the most deluded
>ctrl f
>yoshit
>18 results and counting
who do you think you're even responding you you autistic schizo.
Elden Ring is most certainly FotM
FF16 is not even FOTD. It sucked that badly.
In your estimation then, is there any single player release that ISNT FotM?
The ones with big modding communities tbh.
about that....
The tools aren't even out yet.
I generally don't even like western slop like anything made by Bioware, Bethesda, or Blizzard, but I bought BG3 on a whim and it's turned out to be one of the most fun games I've ever played.
Pokemon, the worlds most successful brand, more well known then Jesus, is Turn Based anon...
Because it's an actual immersive fantasy game
Baldurs gate has a consistent setting and game rules that has been curated for decades to be fun and interesting, it's not my goth belt dude used firaga and dealt 9999 damage on mecha dragon god, I'm going to finish him up with the retarded main character that uses a football as a weapon
Can you explain the final fantasy world to me ? What does FFX have to do with XIII besides being retarded ?
because there is more to the game than its combat system. considering square enix is developing it, the game will still be boring jrpg 4 bros in a row turn based shit with zero interesting things to do, shitty side quests, lack of player choice, limited world and so on.
nowadays games selling gangbusters rely on whether there's interesting shit to do in the game. making xvi turnbased won't turn it into BG3 for example. i just dont see squenix having the ambition to make something like that.
Yeah like Pokemon
Bear Fucker 3 sold gangbusters.
Pokeymanz always sells like crazy despite getting more lazier and unfinished.
Even Mario X-com which is ubishit managed to sell well, least the first one did.
Baldur's Gate 3 is the biggest game in 2023, and it launched on PC exclusively for a few months.
>b-but pokemon!
It's pokemon.
>b-but Persona!
People only play for their waifus.
>b-but Honkai star rail!
People only play for their waifus.
>b-but Baldurs gate!
People only play for sex scenes.
God I'm so sick of you fucking disingenous cunts.
Good.
>FF IS DYING
you gays said the same after 13 and we I'm pretty sure 17 is already in making
How long until Sony buys them? I give it 2 years maximum.
I know sony always talks about buying studios but they rarely do it. Maybe they don't have the money
Square Enix has been stagnant
Capcom has been producing good games and putting them on multiple platforms.
I hope whatever Sony is paying Square for this bullshit exclusivity was worth it.
>Capcom has been producing good games
remakes
Remakes that share nothing with the originals arent easier to make than new game. Safer maybe. Not easier.
Like hell they aren't
>make good games, or at least games that people like with a few duds in between, meanwhile Square is on probably a double digit flop streak of garbage almost nobody likes
>in-house engine actually works and can be used for all of their projects, meanwhile Luminous was essentially scrapped after 10 years in development and the studio is paying the Ebin tax to use UE now
>sells on every platform that can carry their games instead of signing short-sighted exclusivity deals
Yeah, Capcom is not run by retards, at least for now. Their only full-on case of clinical retardation is sitting on IPs like Dino Crisis and Darkstalkers, but whatever they do put out is usually good (once again, other than the occasional Exoprimal, which I have to guess was done as a joke or some kind of tech demo).
They and From Software have completely supplanted Square as the quintessential Japanese game dev.
No one has ever cared about darkstalkers besides coomers. Honestly, they could put Morrigan in the Dragon's dogma 2 as a romance option and all the "demand" would disappear overnight.
>No one has ever cared about darkstalkers
The 40,000 arcade boards sold disagree.
Genuinely what was Square thinking with shit like Forspoken, the botched FFCC Remaster, Foamstars, Babylon's Fall, ect? They've been out-of-touch for a while now.
>ff15 is one of the most successful entries in the entire series
A majority of its sales were from 10+ years of expectations. Yes, it was a financial success for them, but it definitely affected people's opinion of Final Fantasy. Also consider that the game was packed with product placement ads like Cup Noodle, Coleman camping shit, Samsung phones, American Express credit cards, their multiplayer expansion was dead on arrival and got shutdown shortly after, and Tabata left Square after this mess.
Capcom is a great example because they once made the same stupid decisions as SE, once they (mostly) put those ideas behind them they started to take off. Fromsoft also dodged a bullet, imagine if they had fallen for the full on exclusive meme.
>imagine if they had fallen for the full on exclusive meme.
dont have to imagine when bloodborne exists.
It sold worse than any other souls game by a pretty big margin
>meanwhile Luminous was essentially scrapped after 10 years in development and the studio is paying the Ebin tax to use UE now
seriously what's up with SE and their proprietary engines that even they have trouble using to the point they scrap it after a couple games
crystal tools was the same, years of development only to use it for the XIII trilogy, XIV and nothing else
Poor decision making from the people at the top, always has been their issue. They could put the time and effort into making a proper engine...... orrrrrrrrr they could buy Eidos!
SE never gathers enough experience on their new engines since their games take so long to develop while Capcom is pumping out all sort of games with RE engine from Resident evil to ghost n goblins.
don't forget about square non stop pushing their waste of money EOS gacha mobile shit, meanwhile capcom pretty much stay away from it, or just lend their IP to third party developers like MH now
Capcom's performance is easily correlated with their expansion of Monster Hunter to PC.
>expansion of Monster Hunter to PC.
Too bad they sold out. Worldshit and Riseshit are not MH.
they should try making a good game
Finally. They raped FF enough. Die already.
FF is already dead and honestly FFXIII killed it.
(It was slowly dying starting with FFXI and then FFXII on release)
I'm surprised people say FFXVI is the one that doesn't feel like a "final fantasy" when FFXIII exists, it doesn't feel anything like an FF game
How does ff13 not feel like ff you moron. Especially coming after an ivalice game. I hate zoomers gays trying to rewrite history.
they'll say anything to take the heat off of shitsteen
>How does ff13 not feel like ff
have you fucking played it? aside from the high production values, it has never felt like an FF game
It has everything ff had previously. It was compared to ff7 over and over. It was considered a more normal FF after 12. Again dont try to rewrite something you werent part of.
ff12 had a story and charismatic characters your game was shit
Ff12 is my favorite ff moron. That's not whats being discussed. We arent talking quality.
You liked ff12 and 13? That's new!
I dont like 13. I liked 13-2 and LR tho.
>It was compared to ff7 over and over
That's just because Lightning looks like Cloud.
And the whole green futuristic astethic. The whole save the nature sub speech. Etc. But yeah just Lightning.
Your waifu is shit.
>It has everything ff had previously.
except weapons you picked up were almost always useless because you just stuck with the one you pumped upgrade mats into
no towns to visit, aside from one or two flashbacks, towns just serve as more combat encounters
nothing to break the pace of combat, all side activities relate to battles, even X had people to talk to and stuff to do in its myriad of hallways
game's combat is deliberately held from you for nearly a dozen hours while you shuffle party members
Sphere grid but bad
I was around when it launched and I never noticed people comparing it to VII unless it was comparing Lightning to Cloud and the opening involving a train, the setting is massively disconnected from VII, being almost entirely sci-fi
I was gonna say combat was a mindless button masher, but honestly, every FF outside of the NES was brainlessly easy, so it gets a pass
The only thing people felt was not FF-like was the lack of town/shop. It was still more FF than 15 or 16. Worse? Sure. But still more FF-like.
I would argue that XV is the one that doesn't feel like a Final Fantasy because of the Mcdonald's restaurants sprinkled all over the map.
I'll take corporate sponsorship over dmc + got any day
You're entitled to your opinion and I hate 16 but I can't pretend that this is better than le dmc epic combat.
there was much more to 15 then combat, unlike 16
>hold o to attack
>press triangle to warp
>sluncky magic
>god summons are random
>combos with party members are random and glitchy
ok
15 had dungeons and a sense of adventure, a map to explore makes it infinitely better than shitsteen
it was a generic empty open world map but yeah most of the dungeons were nice, shame you couldn't explore areas like niflheim
the map was thin I won't argue that but I still had fun travelling through it, seeing the sights, and finding new fishing spots, it was ridiculous how good that fishing mini game was
>add in a bunch of mcdonalds in the world
>they have the exact same interior without any variance aside from the one at Hammerhead
>literal irl advertisements for shit like american airlines
>cup noodles
bravo Tabata
So kino. Wish more fantasy games would add life touches like this.
you added an extra I. ff13 was very final fantasyish. 12 was the oddball before they turned it into an action series in full.
At the very least XIII was still an RPG. XVI can in no way be called an RPG.
>completely linear stat growth for the entire game with literally no semblance of choice beyond certain characters being outright better in specific jobs
Yeah bro for real I love a $60 game that is barely distinguishable from a modern autobattle mobile game
XIII is just X but without the nostalgic party members, towns and content
FFX was the last FF game that felt like an FF game, the series never recovered from the lost of Hironobu Sakaguchi. Even the first Xenoblade Chronicles felt more like a FF game than FFXII (which it ripped off from).
should i play XB or XII first? i plan to do both eventually
13 and focusing on so many spinoffs absolutely killed the franchise. 14 1.0 was abysmal too, the fact that 2.0 managed to salvage it is impressive. 15 was terrible and unfinished at launch, in all honestly outside of 14 2.0 Final Fantasy has been complete shit for a long time now. 16 was at least somewhat of a return to form, it was actually a decent game but it felt a bit like it was FF14 Lite. Like how FF12 felt like FF11 Lite.
FFXIII is the best final fantasy game. Opinion of gaymers was influenced by paid journalists and reviewers by Microsoft.
>FFXIII is the best final fantasy game
not even the most rabid lightning waifufag believes this
I hope Armor Project jumps ship.
It's finally our time, Dragon Quest bros.
DQ12 is a first person shooter btw
final fantasy v 2
WHERE MY BARRY broS AT
everywhere at all times
>hype up FF15 for 10 years
>destroy it in development hell until it's unrecognizable and no longer the same game advertised for 10 years
>release it extremely buggy and unfinished
>consumer trust is destroyed
>promise to update it until it's good
>turn around and cancel all future updates and dlc because it's hopeless
>consumer trust is destroyed (again)
>wonder why every FF game after FF15 sells poorly in comparison
There was already no consumer trust in the third Fabula Nova Crystallis project, because of the two Fabula Nova Crystallis projects that came before it.
ff15 is one of the most successful entries in the entire series. ff7r was the huge flop compared. ff16 "failed to meet expectations" because it was a ps5 exclusive and nobody owns a ps5. it will probably blow up once it comes to PC, assuming they don't retard out again and make it epic exclusive like ff7r
ps5 install base at ff16 release was bigger than the ps4 install base during ff15
>b-but xbox one
shut the fuck up, retard. no one buys ff on xbox
>ps5 install base
if you're counting "shipped units" sure, they're all owned by scalpers or rotting in wal mart warehouses. nobody who plays rpgs has a ps5. they all have a switch and a PC.
I play rpg's and own a ps5 you hysterical chud
>muh anecdote
>chuds reeeeeeee
fucking retard
>muh anecdote
>(chud)s (reeeeeeee)
>(fucking retard)
just like my yoshitpiss
Oh ok, so you're just making shit up now in your schizo head.
yoshichuds had a very rough day. that last thread was a morgue
>bigger than the ps4 install base during ff15
no lmao. 6 months ago it was millions behind the ps4 during the same point in its lifecycle and I doubt it made up that difference over a summer of nogames. and the console just isn't organically popular in the real world. i don't know how they arrive at their numbers but there's definitely some garden gnomery going on, because despite the alleged "install base" in the tens of millions, ps5 games themselves are seeing abysmal sales, as nobody actually plays games on the system for some mysterious reason. ff15 sold over 10 million copies, so how could a comparable "install base" lead to less than a third of the sales with the next entry? it's not just ff16, it's every game on the console. the console's top seller thus far would barely crack the top 15 list on ps4 despite having an allegedly comparable "install base"
>it will probably blow up once it comes to PC
What he meant to say is that nobody buys games for PS5.
Implying PC players will want to pay $70 for a now old game
What will be the cope when Spider-Man sells well in October?
FF16 is also a shit game.
Pretty much this
People predicted that the fallout from FFXV would last for years on end, and I suspect the main reason SE didn't feel immediate pressure was because of XIII's surprise success
Wasn't XIII pretty well received initially. It was later on it got crapped on by western journos.
XIII are good games. The reason they are hated is because they were on XBOX where retarded journos will claim that "it feels wrong for a such Japanese game to be on MS platform and not PlayStation".
It had a pretty unremarkable release. There was some chatter about it and some people hated it, some people loved it, but I think most just thought it mediocre. The primary critique was the game is on pretty tight rails for 70% of it.
I remember it being pretty big in Aus. All of my work mates were hyped for it and played it.
XIII had legitimate problems but it came during probably the very peak of the JAPAN BAD era of western gaming
What
said. Remember the infamous Phil Fish "Japanese games suck" and realize that this is basically what everyone thought at the time.
Which is why this quote is always thrown out of context. He was unironically right when he said this. Look at trendies and their reaction to the rise of Japanese games and JRPGs on the switch. A lot reacted negatively because that shit is foreign to them precisely because Nintendo of America (and western gaming as a whole) stamped that shit out in the mid 2000s to late 2010s.
*tendies
Western gamers and journos are simply being hypocrits.
>eh this JRPG shit is so cringe - all this friendship stuff and uvu romance between a MAN and a WOMAN and at the end they kill god xd how stupid
>what? there is a new AAA open world game in development where i can have 20 companions who all suck my dick and i get to be a super powerful wizard, soldier, general and everyone worships the ground i am walking on? SIGN ME UP THIS IS GOTY THANK YOU AGAIN UBISOFT,BETHESDA,CDPR FOR MAKING THE PERFECT GAMES
If I'm being honest, technically, western games/RPGs are way better than japanese games/RPGs. Even as shit as Starfield, or as mediocre CP2077 is (it has gotten better), the shit that they created is vastly superior to the more controlled, linear experiences that japanese games tends to have. ToTK and Elden Ring blew up because they offered something that japanese games usually don't have.
>ToTK and Elden Ring blew up because they offered something that japanese games usually don't have.
a budget
the best japanese games are all low budget and FF was the JRPG exception but now it's high budget low quality
JRPGs provide a sense of cartoonish, anime-like adventure. A dashing lead character, the girl that will be his wife, his wacky bro, and then a cast of zany cartoon characters to adventure with. That's the appeal. When a good one comes out (once every few years) I still enjoy them as an adult, but I think they're better for kids. Western RPGs tend to be closer to tabletop with the focus being the ability to immerse yourself in the world as closely as possible (i.e. how in bethesda games you can take the oats out of some random barrel). This is more well suited for adults.
as for which is "technically" better, idk what that would even mean
Japanese games are alot more restrictive with how you, the player, interacts with the world. That is something western games/RPGs is great at. From a technical standpoint a reactive world is so much harder to pull off but the immersion payoff is so much greater. The problem with how Square approach this issue is that, instead of trying to create a much more fun and interactive world, they bank hard on graphics and animation. Something that other games have pulled off much better. It stopped making them standout. It's not the PS2 era anymore. They're no longer at the top of the graphical hierarchy. If they want to get GTA numbers, they should've gone with a more immersive world. Something that people seem to enjoy. I believe, given the proper budget and hardware, MonolithSoft has the potential to elevate JRPGs to another level way more than Square has. I dislike Xeno's combat but I really do love running around in their world. If they can make the world and combat as interactive as ToTK, it'll propel Xeno as the face of the genre, more than muh pwetty gwafix FF. And I say this as an FF fan. I'm just tired of their dumb decisions, again and again.
Damn, agreed on all points anon. You are correct, it is definitely more technically impressive to create dynamic gameplay systems, and that tends to be a thing in western RPGs more than Japanese ones.
yeah and i will hold down turbo A button while I play DQV lol
Honestly considering the recent successes the 'successful RPG trinity' would be an interactive immersive world, epic story, and self-insertion with romance. This can be done with either a western or japanese aesthetic, because the general audience of today does not care about that
>This can be done with either a western or japanese aesthetic, because the general audience of today does not care about that
True. It's why it's so frustrating. SE loves to give big budget to an FF title. But they use it for other shit and kept designing the same game from rhe 2000's. XV has all the great ideas, but the execution is just terrible. XVI they dialled back hard. It's literally FFXIII in its design but with action combat. Luckily Clive isn't as annoying as the majority of XIII's characters.
As an example, if SE were to copy BG3, they will make it look top down, with turn based JRPG combat. Instead of an open style combat approach that people actually liked. That's how dumb they are at trying to imitate successful RPGs
>western games/RPGs are way better than japanese games/RPG
No. I hate generic empty playgrounds where there are no set plotlines to follow and all your options are half-baked because they were made with as much overlap as possible to allow devs to cut every corner they can.
Your whole worldview and thought process is informed by memes. half a person, maybe less
>Code Vein has a scene where the girls are only wearing a towel in a hotspring
"eh cringe fanservice - i thought we moved past that"
>Baldurs Gate has a dude sucking you off live on camera
"Yooo this is the service we were asking for!"
Literally happening all the time.
"It's okay when we do" is basically the ideology that the western devs are running on. Especially Sony who censor all kinds of nudity on Playstation except when it comes to their own First Party titles. TLOU 2 can have a sex scene. Other games especially from Japan can not.
I don't know, SMT V still did fine on the Switch
It did fine. A lot of JRPGs on the switch sell great. The problem is the reaction some of these games garner from the general group of tendies raised on n64, GameCube, and wii.
The reaction to that quote is what convinced me Ganker really is full of zoomers. Before the Dragon Age/Mass Effect/Oblivion/Fallout 3Witcher 1 era of WRPGs, JRPG's were just calledf "RPG's" the majority of the time.
The JRPG already existed, but it was only about the time of those games that western media started using it as a pejorative to put "actual" western RPGs on a pedestal.
Don't believe it zoomzoom? Look up vidya magazine article archives before and after 2007.
is that why yoship said not to use that phrase?
Yes. To him and other Japanese devs at that time, they were just making RPGS. The weird divide only sprang up around 15 years ago. Precisely when the western industry started to both shit on their work AND publish less of their games.
thanks I was just making sure you were a yoshitpisser who was tryingt to push one of your gay narratives. they're jrpg's then now and forever
Cool bro. Just as your amerimutt overlords intended.
>amerimutt
It's called the great American melting pot you dumb fuckin foreigner
yoshit is a fraud
16 is a flop
yoshiters are in a cult
and they were always called jrpg's
>The weird divide
the divide was really apparent early on. Japanese RPGs started taking on a more manga-like quality because they were being made for Japanese nerd audiences, who coincidentally fucking loved manga. Western RPGs were made for western D&D players so they focused on the "role playing" aspect more. I don't remember the first time I heard/used the term JRPG but it was a long time ago, definitely earlier than 2010.
try the mid 90's. yoshichuds really do gameplan this shit on discord don't they. reminds me of garden gnomes saying le 4chon used to be leftwing psyops
>Western RPGs were made for western D&D players
This audience dried up in 1992 as soon as Ultima crashed. Western RPGs were always desperate for bigger audience because being DnD RPG wouldn't sell alone. This is why all isometric RTwP shit sprang up because they wanted to use RTS hype
I get what you're saying but any western RPG that came out between 1992-2000 was still heavily influenced by D&D, rather than being influenced by action movies or some western analog to anime.
>Look up vidya magazine article archives before and after 2007.
No thanks and i will continue to call them jrpg's
People were hyped for XIII cause everything about it looked amazing.
The graphics were miles ahead of the competition and everyone felt like this could be just like FFX where Square Enix title just dominates the competition in every regard.
Then the game released and it turned out to be a 7/10 linear tunnel crawler. The hype alone sold the game enough to guarantee a sequel. Lightning Returns however only happend cause they needed a filler title to get the last bit of worth out of that old crystal tools engine before retiring it.
>Wasn't XIII pretty well received initially
lmfao FUCK no stop rewriting history you stupid fucking shill gays
Final Fantasy will finally be final?
I don't care.
XVI was shit, mediocre game all around.
Meanwhile in turn they let XIV, their cash cow, bleed to death by giving it no content.
Masterfully done, square.
Mochizuki has a hate boner for ff16 and its really funny
>mixed reviews
>mixed reviews
I wonder what that jap thought about Starfield. A game rated lower than XVI. kek. Is he seriously going to quote the 6m players guys! Maybe Square should've port the game to Microsoft. At least they could brag about the initial player number burst through gamepass to the """"investors""""".
I do too after literally buying a fucking PS5 just to play it, only for it to somehow be even worse than XV. I fucking had faith in Yoshida and he gave me a colossal pile of shit. Its so bad I don't even want to play XIV anymore.
I've never played 14 but the way yoshiters pumped him up on Ganker while ad homming every doubter made me think there was hope. turns out it was hopeless and the cult of yoshit is insane
surviving on gacha
>Playing gacha with no real gameplay
Retarded Japs.
I'm really tempted to change my Google Play Store account to Japan .. but I'll need a Japanese credit card, won't I?
No
Not to worry, I'm sure a few more exclusivity checks from Sony can save them.
what i'm about to say will sound like i'm exaggerating but i mean this with 100%
FFXVI was the single worst main entry ever made. bottom 1
it's literally just game of thrones
I'm curious as to why you feel that way. Could you go into more detail for me? I don't think too highly of XVI myself, but I think to say that would be going a bit far.
Only main entry I skipped after seeing how bad the demo was tbh. I don't use the word often, but XVI deserves it: The game is slop.
I really don't believe you considering the XIII trilogy and XV exist.
I liked 15 and forspoken more than 16. Also because this needs to be said I am not fucking barry.
XIII is boring
XV is a mess
XIII-2 is good albeit a lower budget XIII sequel
LR is ... interesting. kinda neat
XVI is somehow even more boring than XIII. significantly so. it's a slog to finish
Barry...
Yoshit-Piss cultists have somehow dethroned bazztek in being schizophrenic ESL cult.
Melbourne posting is pro barry. I see you're not initiated
serves square right for throwing Sakaguchi under the bus
They got what they deserved. Fuck dem bros!
Mochizuki seething about FF16 is quite pathetic really. There was likely bigger expectations for it, but the game did fine. It more than likely is more profitable than 15 which had insanely long dev cycle + marketing + tons of side media. Don't forget that square sold FF15 license to some ridiculous mobile game (A new Empire - look it up - its insane) which is likely where a lot of the game's profit came from, not from the actual release of FF15.
FF7R was a cleaner release, but generally sold less. The exclusivity deals for it and 16 were both mistakes, every other jap studio has recognized that appealing to a single platform is no longer viable, capcom, from, etc all enjoyed large growths on PC and to a lesser extent on xbox.
At worst its stagnation for the company as a whole and FF. But the good news is that the new CEO seems more reasonable, FF16 is going to be on steam day 1 when it comes out on PC, no egs exclusivity, and FF14/FF7Remake is getting an xbox release soon.
>It more than likely is more profitable than 15
so hungry for big barrys attention wew
>It more than likely is more profitable than 15
doubt
>FF16 is going to be on steam day 1
kingdom hearts and ff7 are still epic exclusive so doubt
I would take a bullet for Sakaguchi
You would take a cock for yoshitpiss
your hero is currently slumming in mobage hell, making games for applefags who dont buy it
he has not done anything noteworthy since lost odyssey 16 years ago, his only decent game post SE
so you're saying that SE is evil and deserves death. I agree
>square dying
>conveniently sucking up to Microsoft
Betting my house on square enix becoming the next publisher tied to gamepass after EA, Bethesda, ABK and sega. FF7r, FF16 will be gamepass games this time next year. Other releases will be day 1. It's so easy to see at this point.
>FF7r, FF16 will be gamepass games this time next year
Part of Sony's exclusivity deals are clauses that forbid games that "benefit" from it from ever ending up on Game Pass specifically.
This has been known since the ABK trial.
Iirc as long as Sony gets first dibs on the game (equal or better) then whatever comes after is unrestricted. FF7r has already been on PS+.
Serves them right for pulling the plug on Toji no Miko.
That's crazy.
Do they have any games built on Unity?
fucking barry becoming a journalist to write these articles
>xiv is the only thing keeping your company afloat
>instead of choosing to invest further into the game at the peak of its popularity, put it on complete maintenance mode with no forays, phoned in story, phoned in relic quests, and slow the patch cycle down by 50% on top of that
>take half the devs that work on it and have them make a generic action game instead with nothing interesting going for it, and make it an exclusive on a dead console
It has to be some kind of intentional self sabotage. How could any company possibly be this incopetent?
Is this the part where agents and cronies of potential buyers try to lower SE's value to make it easier to buy? ~~*they*~~ have been circling SE for years now.
lol they're going to end up canceling the final fantasy 7 remake after part 2
literally almost every time I opened a FF16 stream it was in the middle of a cutscene, fucking westaboo movieslop trash
Dont worry, i'm sure yoship will make the next DQ copy COD to appeal to zoomers; he's great at doing that!
>Dont worry, i'm sure yoship will make the next DQ copy COD to appeal to zoomers; he's great at doing that!
Sony or microsoft?
they probably want to be bought by microsoft, but sony won't allow it and they'll probably end up going down in flames with sony in the end.
Quick! Mint some more NFTs! Make another gay mascot!
Nobody is practicing good opsec right now. It was agreed upon that new posters would attach screenshots showing the ip count to their first post in thread. This is a catastrophe
How does one lying Mick have so much power?
Barry winning the battle against 16 was something i wasnt expecting. It's fucking insane how the stock of the company tanked after it.
>Barry winning the battle against 16 was something i wasnt expecting. It's fucking insane how the stock of the company tanked after it.
I have never seen this happen, look the numbers of the last FF as comparison.
How the fuck you release a major game and your operating income almost goes to negative????
No fucking idea. I like to read SE's reports, and this never happened, not even with Avengers.
Gatcha is by far their top money maker and they recently killed a couple, plus Forspoken flopping. XVI is also too recent to have any significant data compiled on it
They routinely spend exorbitant amounts of money on marketing for pet projects that they can almost immediately. They've already put together this mobile garbage to try to sell to what exceptionally few people haven't caught on to the fact that they kill their mobile games, which had to have cost millions to develop, will never make back a full return on its initial investment, and will also be EOS within less than a year. If these POS side projects were made by an individual who just did an RPG Maker asset flip in a month, this might have been tolerable, but they're always huge budget works for extremely low quality productions that nobody wants to play.
This game wond die in a year tho. I feel like people have no idea of how SE probably has some of the oldest gachas in the market still going on, like brave exvius, that has 7 years.
The fact 2 games had EOS, one being a fucking battle royale, shouldnt be a parameter.
GO. BACK. TO.TURN. BASED. COMBAT.
STOP. MAKING. SHIT. SO. GAY
MAKE. GOOD. MUSIC. AGAIN.
I genuinely wonder how a new FF would be received if it used a turn based combat style or ATB, but just smoother and faster, people really enjoyed stuff like Octopath Traveller and Bravely Default after all
why are you gays so obsessed with turn based when turn based FFs never took brainpower to play? go play shin megami tensei if you want turn based that's actually good
people miss the ATB system, simple as.
Do they?
I do but not soulless phone shit where I only have a selection of 5 abilities
>miss the ATB system
>no, not THAT ATB system
Just ask a western indie developer to make it.
>somehow Western AAA game has sexier women than an FF game
strange...
Yea, but you can do better than Shadowheart.
most certainly true brother. I hope the success of BG3 means more westerners put actually sexy women in games, like fuck no one in BG3 is even a 10/10 yet their hot af compared to every other crpg lady in the past 15 years
>compared to every other crpg lady in the past 15 years
Why would westerners put more hot ladies in games because the CRPG genre hasn't had any hot ladies in 15 years?
cuz a crpg GOTY contender that sold like crazy has moderately hot women in it for once
That's not gonna change the fact that other Western developers won't be making CRPGs.
I mean Bethesda might actually do that with fallout because having a second 3d sci fi rpg would just cannibalize each other's modding scenes.
Also, it would probably be faster to develop too.
I don't think Bethesda is going to be doing anything with Fallout for at least a decade.
Yeah, that's exactly why I said that they'd probably make it isometric so that it doesn't take as long. Especially since they'd also have to start working on starfield 2 by the time es6 comes out.
Or they could just wait until TESVI is done in 6 years to get started on FO5.
If they did that starfield 2 would come out in the mid to late 30's and es7 would come out in the early 40's and fallout 6 would come out in the mid to late 40's.
If you don't see why having a third Bethesda rpg is legi unsustainable (especially since starfield lets them do everything fallout lets them do and more) I don't know what to tell you.
Yea, Bethesda likes to cook. They spent 8 years with Starfield. If they want, they'll spend another only working on TESVI. They're not gonna be rushed.
fuck I just realized what they're going to do because you said cook god damn it.
The ending to 6 is likely going to involve this kalpa ending and setting the seeds for the next one.
THE NEXT KALPA IS STARFIELD AND THE ALIEN MAGIC SHIT IS HOW THEY BRING EVERYTHING TOGETHER THAT WAY IT BECOMES A SCIENCE FANTASY SETTING THAT FUNCTOPNS AS THE MOST FLEXIBLE PLATFORM FOR ANY KIND OF MOD YOU CAN IMAGINE.
Godd damn it I fucking kneel.
>moderately hot women
The closest thing to a conventionally attractive white woman in the game is a man-faced, square-jawed elf who cucks you.
but enough about Pathfinder
Who? I don’t play west shit to be honest.
I thought the same thing until I actually met Karlach. Her personality instantly won me over.
I might in the minority who didn't like Karlach. I like using her because my way of approaching combat is just power through it using melee and shove. I just find her aggravating.
Shitposting aside, the amount of spell combinations and battle permutations is night and day between bg3 and ff7ec.
>turn based FFs never took brainpower to play?
the NES games 100% did because not only were your resources extremely limited and you had limited opportunities to save, but your attacks don't redirect when an enemy dies, so not paying attention can fuck you up, especially when you are managing your resources in dungeons
I see someone just got finished watching a video essay....
since when has "brainpower required" ever been a selling point of a jrpg? what kind of weird ass goalpost moving is this
I thought it had pretty positive reviews?
Plus it's a lot smaller in scope/budget than 15 or Forespoken which were massive money sinks
I think the exclusivity killed this one since a lot of people seemed interested
>I think the exclusivity killed this one since a lot of people seemed interested
can't wait for them to release it on the EGS and wonder why its not selling well on PC
you know they're gonna do it too. they didn't learn their lesson with ff7r and they won't learn their lesson this time. the old out of touch suits making the business decisions at squenix need to be purged. i just hope it doesn't take the total economic failure of the company to do it.
I'm surprised they didn't implement some sort of job system for the game, to let Clive seamlessly change jobs in combat and give him classic FF skills, feels like you could do a lot with it in an action combat setting like SoP but with higher production values
the whole Eikon thing feels like they are piggybacking off of XIV
>I think the exclusivity killed this one
When even fucking Sega isn't doing third party exclusivity anymore and you are, that's how you know you're behind the times and should change your business strategy.
Mostly positive in the west. Although some journos gave negative or mixed reviews because muh censored gay characters and muh politics. It didn't do well at all in Japan, mostly likely because it was heavily inspired by western Game of Thrones slop, and there's no lip sync for the JP dub.
It was very funny how Shill Up (a notorious XIV dicksucker who they flew out to fucking Las Vegas) gave FFXVI a bad review. Hated in both the West and the East, its tough for XVI.
He explicitly stated selling out FF legacy in favor of CoD and GTA crowd. He's a sellout and a failure.
He didnt win the gta and cod zoomers, and also lost the fans. Incredible.
I'd like to thank Forspoken for this news
Obviously not this year, but I was under the impression that Marvel Avengers was their biggest money sink to this day mainly due to just how much money they spent on it.
lol are Yoshit piss trannies unironically calling BG3 and ER flavor of the month now?
FF16 was in that case not even flavor of the day.
Yes, I dislike all of them for different reasons.
barry did you actually like ER? i'm kind of surprised. must have been ACfag shitposting ER threads then.
Love these replies by the mentally ill Yoshit discord cult.
I don't like 16 or 14 you fucking schizo.
>actually sincerely asking if barry is a soulsfag or not
>get called a filthy MMOfag
Barry pls.
Why are Yoshit cultists so obsessed with this boogeyman? FF16 sucked, with or without "barry".
probably because you have an extremely distinct posting style? you may as well put on a trip, everyone know's who you are and associate you with that name. it's like how everyone knows about the ick' on eck' poster or the vidya butts poster, your just a rather distinct individual.
after The Discord recruited princess bubblegum to their cause the cult of yoshit has been lashing out at everyone
you're the only sperg who constantly uses phrases like "yoshit cultists" barry.
>you're the only (sperg) who constantly uses phrases like "(yoshit cultists)" barry.
just like my yoshitpiss
What times is it in Melbourne right now? Is it Barry hours?
It's coping hours by the Yoshit cultists.
Same hours it's been since June really.
Barry, everyone was actually discussing what was wrong with Square and their mistakes in this thread before you started shitting things up. You're too mindbroken to actually have noticed that.
You're your own worst enemy.
Melbourne: 3.00pm. 62f. .sunny. if the lightning speed of this thread didn't clue you already then yes, it's barry season
If only they put their games on a platform people ACTUALLY play games on!
>ip count didn't go up
XVI was simply a tremendously low quality game. The game was entirely carried by its big spectacle moments, but the other 95% of the actual gameplay was one of the most shallow and barebones games I've ever played. They gave up every single RPG mechanic in service of the action combat, and the combat turned out to have zero depth to it whatsoever. Every encounter is effectively the same. Attack dodge, blow your cooldowns when needed, blow them all during Stagger.
Unironically, they wasted KH team and platinum's time by making them work in that.
Yoshit-Piss cultists keep blaming everything and everyone except the game being mid and bland as fuck. It's beautiful seeing this cult that has infected FF finally purge in a fire.
>don't sell game on PS4 or PC, the platforms where the absolute vast majority of XIV players (the people who would conceivably be interested in buying a game just because of CBU3 being involved) are
>WTF WHY DID IT FLOP WHERE ARE ALL THE FANS????
I'm a huge ff fanboy myself and have been since 2(4) on the SNES, but I don't play the mmos, don't own a PS5 (because it has no games, least of all rpgs which is most of what I play), and wasn't going to buy one just for one game. I'm not even sure I want to play it on PC either because playing ff games on PC just feels weird to me, but good luck to them when they finally do release it on there. Hopefully they make at least one smart decision and release it on steam without an EGS "exclusivity" period.
>good luck to them when they finally do release it on there
It'll be an EGS exclusive, the port will be FF7R-tier shitty because who cares about bad sales when the exclusivity check already passed and it'll fall into obscurity just like the PC versions of KH, 7R itself, SoP, TWEWY 2, etc.
Total Square Enix Death, I call it. Has to be an inside job, one of their execs is trying to kill the studio from within.
Welp, guess no more actual discussion of Square's major issues and failings, since now the Aussie schizo is going to derail everything.
Time to just shitpost and pretend 16 is the best thing ever made.
MAYBE DON'T RELEASE YOUR GAME EXCLUSIVELY TO A PLATFORM THAT ONLY A SMALL NUMBER OF GAMERS OWN.
>censored Tifa
>FFXVI's ending was "left up to interpretation" after the absolute shitfest that was FFXV's ending
>Aeris is now Aerith for some reason
>treated their acquired Western studios like shit before letting them go to Embracer
>can't stop pandering to ESG
If this truly is the beginning of the end, I have no sympathy for any of them. The only truly great loss would be FFXIV. Even then I wouldn't miss that cesspit of a community.
is now Aerith for some reason
it was always supposed to be aerith (earth), it was just localized wrong on the ps1
why is everyone here addicted to salesposting?
>every post that says something negative about XVI is Barry
I thought XV sucked too. XVI just happened to suck even worse. XV at least kept me interested until the end. XVI started to become a chore to play around the time you got to the desert.
Sony is no longer a jrpg console.
>But muh persona 5
Shit sales if you relate it to the overall userbase of the console.
I see that the Yoshit-Piss ESL cultists are now obsessed with hating on BG3/ER for stealing FF16's lightning.
Your game just sucked. It carried the FF name but was made for retarded mobile players. Fuck you and burn in hell cultists. You are why we got in this situation to begin with.
I haven't played FFXVI because I'm waiting for a PC release
PLEASE tell me you can turn the numbers off, that shit is distracting since there's already a healthbar on the enemy
Wait, there is one part in this article that doesnt makes sense
>The company released a new mobile Final Fantasy VII game last week, but sales fell short of investor expectations. Square Enix’s stock have lost about 30% from its peak this year and on Wednesday was on track to close at its lowest since May last year.
Which game is he talking about?
Ever crisis launched 5 days ago and doesnt even have official numbers
Mobile games only have official numbers after 1 month. what.
I like this part of the article.
>The failure to spark a third major franchise beyond Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest is key to this skepticism.
Maybe disney is taking it back? Would be pretty funny to see square get rugged after the 7 demake fails.
Nah, the guy probably doesnt have idea of what he's writing about. If you read the whole report you'll find some incoherent parts.
I do believe in some parts.
EINHANDER BROS. It’s our time!
I will now name off random SE titles and you tell me why SE couldn’t make this the next big franchise:
Saga Frontier
Front Mission
Tobal
Threads of Fate
Musashi
Bushido Blade
Erghiez
Any sort of corporate business decision like this is informed by graphs and target numbers. None of those games hit the target they needed to according to some autistic number monkey, so therefore the IP goes in the trash.
The article is weirdly writen.
But it's from that guy called Mochizuki. He's like a Ganker anon who's a journo.
I also didnt understand shit of what this part meant. Was he talking about first soldier? but that one released one year ago, not last week.
First Soldier was killed at the start of the year
Yeah. Any version of that sentence doesnt make any sense.
XVI is not a Final Fantasy mainline game.
The sad reality is that XVI only ended up getting 28% of the attention XV got. Yoshitpiss and his marketing team absolutely failed with the game and with marketing the game. XV even had a better demo than XVI did.
Guess the rumors of SE execs panicking was true.
Someone post THAT Yoshit quote. It always kills his cultists.
>that quote
The "I stumbled across it" one?
Yoshida blatantly lied to our faces and his cultists keep eating his feces.
Why is he so smug and arrogant? Like he's always looking down on criticism? And he absolutely did take the RPG out of FF.
Please buy the game, the rpg will be there day 1 😉
He's the guy credited with saving XIV and thus saving SE. I guess that did get to his head a bit. The failure of XVI might have been the black eye he needed to be brought back down to earth.
not only saved XIV, but kicked upstairs to board of directors too, he kind of had a good reason to be smug
FF14 became shit after ARR anyways. With the old guard leaving and him and his squad gaining more influence.
>make exclusive for a small cash incentive
>shit on other consoles
>wtf why are we losing money
Well deserved
>literally quoting a pro microdick jap article
Not even a chud this desperate for attention, barry.
>One of the most recognized names among console and mobile gamers, Square Enix is on a streak of misfires in attempts to build another hit series to buttress sales, and it’s fallen behind rivals like Capcom Co. and Activision Blizzard Inc. in terms of market value.
This guy knows that ABK is almost 10 to 15 times bigger than SE, right?
The comparison makes sense since Yoshit wanted the CoD crowd with 16.
I barely heard anything about the game before it released. It was like there was an information desert and suddenly bam the game came out.
Soon...
NFCI
You better show rebirth this week in a state of play!
>care to explain what you were doing in that (chud porn) thread?
>Barry: I stumbled across it
classic barry
I was in that /wowg/ thread when it happened. I swear to god I nearly passed out from laughing so hard.
>I recognize that gay blowjob
just like my yoshit
>I stumbled across it
Barry and chud porn
name a more iconic duo
So...can anyone explain why if 16 flopped, theyre making two expansions for it?
Its not some legal thing, they didnt sell a season pass so they didnt have to just shit out a dlc to not get sued like Forspoken. And if it was cut content it could be condensed down to just one big dlc like XV...
But two? I mean im no businessman but would that not mean xvi is a success worth investing more money into...?
Serious replies only, please.
It seems like 16 was the director's passion project and he probably still has enough pull to get a couple dlc's approved.
Source?
The interviews and shit he's done. Dude legit seemed excited for it.
Square probably copes with the flop by hoping the game will sell well on other platforms once the exclusivity period ends and they can just walk off the starting gun kneecap it was in time.
By the time the game comes out on EGS and a year later Steam they can have all the DLCs out, call it an ultimate edition and charge $70-90 for it.
It was exclusive to an unpopular platform at the height of public interest
which final fantasy game is the most Gankercore?
Probably Strangers of Paradise.
It sold like absolute shit, though.
because of the EGS exclusivity, I guess SE had no faith in it and decided to just take the upfront money from Sweeney
but it's a decent game, cool Nioh lite gameplay from Team Ninja and Jack is a funny MC
It got DLCs so the numbers cant be that bad
I wanted Agni. Square Enix did not deliver.
FFXIV still going strong and keeping the company afloat 🙂
Stay malding :))
Maybe they should turn it into COD to appeal to zoomers.
too bad the next expansion is a filler episode in an already filler heavy game
🙂
Who? I don't follow hot reddit take streamers?
🙂
Then trust Square's own quarerly earnings report then chud. XIV is in a worse state than it was two years ago. This was in the quarter ending on June 30 2021, BEFORE the Blizzard lawsuit that brought tons of new people into the game. Endwalker has been such a disaster that it managed to completely wipe away the gains made during the WoW exodus.
What are you trying to say with that graph?
This is their latest earnings report. The current revenue for their MMO segment is down to below the state the game was in before the WoW exodus. Not only did Endwalker not manage to keep anyone from that but it managed to lose some of its core players too. Endwalker has been a disaster with the community shitting on the lackluster patch content and patch MSQ left and right.
Now what are you trying to say with a graph from 2019?
It kind of depend if you can read graphs and numbers or not.
It's probably going to get die off when mini mmo's start flooding the market. Also based unity is killing off gacha cancer forever.
unity already backtracked due to extremely bad press and said it was per initial install, not every install. and those gachacorps all have the premium enterprise whatever version anyway which is like 1 cent or 0.1 cents per install or something not 20.
>1 cent or 0.1 cents per install or something not 20.
so far. Give it a quarter and they'll try again. Especially since we're in a high interest rate environment and they aren't profitable.
>said it was per initial install, not every install
Per install is still fucking retarded. They haven't backed down on the install/re-install count right?
that's exactly what they backed down from. initial install = only the first time you install it. they also said they were no longer counting demos, and something about games on gamepass being microsofts responsibility rather than the devs.
though the question remains as to how they're tracking any of this.
I see. I thought they meant the first few months of installs. Sorry. Anon from another kept saying Unity have their own malware/tracker that are packaged with the engine. Apparently they can even track people who pirated the games.
Sometimes I think it's best for Square to rotate around their devs much more frequently so that they can be abit more varied in their vision. They kept Nomura and Nojima too long in KH, that they thought making cheap plot twist what makes a good story. They kept Yoshida in XIV for too long that it made him think MMO quest structure and GCD combat are good game design. Someone from the KH team should've told them GCD for abilities is dumb. In an MMO where you can weave in your combos with your party members, sure it can be fun. But doing rotations solo is fucking retarded. But I have to say, the reaction based inputs like counter and parry in XVI is so fun to pull off. If KH has the same system and proper balancing, 4 could potentially be as good as 2.
>Someone from the KH team should've told them GCD for abilities is dumb
what was the point of hiring some DMC combat guy lmao
XVI is DMC if DMC was an MMO for the elderly
>XVI is DMC if DMC was an MMO for the elderly
that's just FF now
iirc XV's combat was one button because the directors old man hands couldn't keep up otherwise
The thing with FF is that they're too much of a pussy to straight up abandon their turn based gays. They still think they need to water down their combat because they want some of those turm based gays to try their game and hopeylly liking it. It's absolutely fucking retarded. They kept pussy-footing it for a decade and it killed any potential. Also, who the fuck thought MMO sidequest for content is a good idea? I'd rather XVI be short but kept the pacing of the demo.
>Also, who the fuck thought MMO sidequest for content is a good idea? I'd rather XVI be short but kept the pacing of the demo.
yeah it's one of the biggest fuck ups. something is seriously wrong with the devs and directors to allow this.
Bring back overworlds you cowards, I don't care if it looks unrealistic. Overworlds were 90% of the soul in older jrpgs and full of mystery and intrigue.
what if they kept it 3d but instead of open world it was continent to continent?
Now, seriously. If someone asked me which game would bomb really hard this year and go out like a wet fart, i would never answer the mainline FF.
The Demo had bigger impact than the full game.
>Now, seriously. If someone asked me which game would bomb really hard this year and go out like a wet fart, i would never answer the mainline FF.
>The Demo had bigger impact than the full game.
16 never wanted to be FF.
THESE OFFICIAL BARRY THREADS ARE TOO FAST I CAN'T KEEP TRACK OF THE IP COUNT SLOW THE FUCK DOWN
just take the post count and subtract the posters and that's how many barryposts are in the thread. alternatively you can do a find on the page for "yoshitpiss" and that will show you most of the barryposts.
you didn't attach a screenshot so how do I know you're not barry?
but I am barry. yoshitpiss cultists and whatnot.
Considering FF15 had nearly its entire second DLC season (Dawn of the Future) cancelled, I wasn't really feeling so confident.
>FF IS DYING
Anon, FF has been dead for years. There was a point in time where Final Fantasy was a household name. Everyone had FF6 and FF7. But then FF13 flushed the IP down the toilet.
Look at this fucking chart. FF6 sold more than 3x as much as FF16, and that's NOT adjusting for inflation. If you adjust for inflation... $50 in 1994 would be worth $103 in 2023. FF6 made over six times the money FF16 did.
And that's just revenue. FF6 didn't have a retardedly inflated budget like FF16 did, so FF6 generated a ridiculous amount of profit (while FF16 is current net negative profit). I would love to see a chart of each game's net profit, but unfortunately that information isn't public.
I refuse to believe a game with as many rereleases as FF1 only sold 1.3 mil
There is not a single one of those charts that has right numbers. I have no idea why retards keep posting them.
>FF13-2: 3.6m
>Lightning Returns: 1.2m
good lord, you can see exactly when the series died
Just X and X-2 sold 20,8 mil copies. Dont be retarded and believe in that shit image.
FF15 looks like a pretty good bounce-back there.
It's literally because the people are still in the phase of "they might correct XIII's mistake" and also, it's during the peak of open world. Since FF is an old af franchise, people see it as an evolution. XVI for some reason went backwards in that aspect. Not that I want an open world, but fuck me do they need better people designing their map. It's fucking ridiculous how their map design is still stuck in the early ps2 era. Fuck, even FFXII have better map design than XVI. That fucker from XIII that they brought to design XVI's map should've been kicked out of the company. Motherfucker, I was hoping for at least XIV's map style with better animation. Not going back to fucking X. Are they dumb?
X at least had a party and you had banter and interactions with them, not just the mc talking with random npcs.
Nomura's trailers single handedly carried XV's sales. just for most of the content of them to not be in the final product
Nobody cared about versus anymore back then outside of Ganker anyway. Everyone was just happy that lightning was gone.
Nta but you're a retard
to this day any old Versus trailer keeps getting new comments about people being sad over what could've been
>But then FF13 flushed the IP down the toilet.
anon your own chart shows that 13 is above the middle mark for the franchise and every entry on that chart after 13 (not counting its own spinoffs/side stories) continued to sell even higher numbers.
and if we're talking chronoligically, an FFMMO2 expansion was the last thing they released before FF7R and FF16 flopped. I don't think it was a previous entry in the series that caused these flops either way. I think it was bad marketing and business decisions on their part, notably their playstation and EGS timed exclusivity. i'm sure the wider modern streamer fotm culture and constant "tortanic" doomposting of every big new release on every social media site also doesn't help.
I'm getting deja vu because I feel like we went through this topic before with some of the same posts.
Salesposting is the most deranged shit I’ve ever seen on this board. What happened to playing and talking about games?
pretty sure he was talking about the stumbled across it posts
and now pontificate upon the fact that all of these yoshichuds have anti barry folders filled with these retarded screenshots and cum their chud panties at the thought of showing them to barry
>lose your soul and spirit after getting big from two games in the 90s
>all the good people leave/retire shortly after
>make tryhard suckass for over fifteen years
>fund it by taking the meager profits of all the other work
>bleed dry and run up debts
>never stop making tryhard suckass
Fuck square enix. fuck square. Squaresoft for life, and they died a long time ago.
>have a plethora of established IP's from the 90s and 00's
>decide to never make sequels for them
It's their own fault for putting all their eggs into one basket with FF and KH then deciding to completely abandon all of their other IP's. Then they made the decision to buy Eidos to diversify their portfolio only to go full retard and sell the studios and IPs anyways. Square has been a shit show ever since Spirits Within. That movie fucking broke the company.
its pachinko time baybeeee
even if people think 16 was bad I can't possibly see how anyone would not think the soundtrack was the best any game has had this year.
NICE trips
>sell all your IPs for NFT/crypto money
>continue to do this
>crypto tanks, might recover in a year, might not
>fucking NO ONE likes NFT shit for gaming since it serves 0 purpose (""""owning"""" an item means nothing when it will never be usable in anything else again)
>OOPS you sold Crystal Dynamics, Eidos Montreal and Square Enix Montreal to buy crypto! Final Fantasy is now more or less all you have left!
>No Deus Ex, Tomb Raider, Marvel and GoTG game rights!
>FF starts to bomb because you spend 60 billion dollars to make the homosexual kiss scenes more prominent instead of even remotely trying to keep to a feasible budget
>FFXIV is your only other product doing well
>It's clear you have backed yourself into a corner from CRACKHEAD tier managerial decisions
>price plummets
the most hilarious thing about selling off their western studios to embracer for $300m was that embracer then turned around and immediately licensed out the rights to tomb raider alone to amazon for $600m
I will give you one advice, search about the source of that info. You're an embarrassment.
what, axios? msn? dozens of other smaller but fairly reputable tech news sites? amazon themselves releasing news that they would be publishing the next tomb raider game? have a nice day retard.
mongoloid
That shit is literally fake news, never confirmed the value or much less the currency. It could've been in kroner.
Yeah anon. It was 600m
And embracer is a genius of business, that's why they are going bankrupt and selling gearbox and everyone else.
All so they could appeal to the west.
>yet another episode of takashit mochinkzuki doom journalism for XVI
Did Yoshi P and the rest of CBU3 kill his family or some shit
I think 16 was garbage but that guy hates SE more than anything. There is pure nonsense in some parts of that report.
no just final fantasy
How many is that now since the game came out? Has to be over three.
He REALLY wants XVI to be on the xbox.
yeah maybe this idea of "growth prospects" is the one that needs to be addressed lol
stop paying yourselves so much and maybe someone will buy somethin'
Sometimes I wish that this old ass IP would just actually live up to its name and just be a dead dead for good. I would actually look forward to Fgays killing themselves because it would be a far healthier outcome than bitching and moaning for 2 decades straight at this point.
Why is this gay on an eternal jihad against Square Enix? Did they stop sending him free shit and inviting him to events? Anybody who participates or has participated in access journalism needs to hang.
It's funny how much this dude makes sonyfags and squarefags seethe. He's cool
I bet he's seething seeing how shit Starfield is too.
I'm wondering what he will say about ff7 rebirth. He's on a crusade against 16 for a long time.
I dont mind because i disliked 16 anyway.
I don't think he cares and talking about it won't really bring people to read his stuff
I don't own a console you gay cocksucker and the only reason I logon to FFXIV is so I can catch up with my friends while I'm posted overseas. I'm not sure what third world shithole your gayy ass is from but I hope it turns into Dresden very soon.
What are you even talking about? I will never get why this franchise attracts so many schizos
What would your ideal FF17 be?
>setting
>combat
>art direction
>tone
Make a thread, loser.
>setting
Taro
>combat
Nomura
>art direction
Nomura
>tone
Taro
>setting
Cyberpunk
>combat
Literally just copy 7R
>art direction
Not by the Matsuno cicrlejerk that is CBU3 for sure
>tone
Natsuko Ishikawa as the lead writer idk
Hire me Squeenix
7R combat was shit, and it still has two sequels to use it and maybe make it good. Either make something new or let ryota suzuki build off of XVI.
LMAAAAAAAAO
>switches character
>enemy aggro completely fucking changes to character you swapped to
>no defensive options unless you use clouds shitty guard or tifa slide away from everything
>pause the fucking game to do anything of value
>aerial enemies
I honest to god don’t understand how this was praised but people ignored SoP and hate on XVI combat. I’m fully fucking convinced FF fans don’t understand good action games.
7R had fantastic combat, and unlike XVI they didn't have to give up all their RPG elements for their action combat.
Yeah. So they just half-assed both the rpg elements and action elements.
>7R had fantastic combat
i hated it. enemies ignore your party and only aggro you. Magic is clunky, there's one enemy in the sewer that was really annoying because it could only be reliably killed by magic, but it also used an unpredictable teleporting move. I know you can "git gud", I've seen the cuhrazy no hit runs and shit. I just don't want to git gud at it like I do with other games because it's not satisfying.
The “cuhrayzee” no hit runs are literally
>spam effective spells
>swap constantly to keep the enemy stunned because of rapid aggro switching
Or
>tifa slide away the whole fight
It’s retarded
Max Dood was shilling the game so hard and even he thought XVI was inferior to the absolute bilge that was XV. I didn't even think it would be possible.
That’s the dude that slurps of 7 compilation shit and openly admitted to being an FF7 secondary and not a fan of FF.
>even he thought XVI was inferior to the absolute bilge that was XV
Please tell me you're joking
I just realized that the sarcastic "Square Enix is totally dying bros..." poster who would post Square Enix statista graphs totally fucking disappeared when the last quarter reports dropped fucking kek.
Like, do you unironically think SE is dying?
16 shat the bed but if you think it will be it, lol
they will be on the verge of bankruptcy but will somehow make another magnum ops saving the company by the thread
after that they will waste all their money shitting out dozen of shitty game/movies to put them back where they were before
they already did it many times
Not even the verge of bankrupcy. This shit happens every time that a game doesnt do that well because suits are just that way. If you want to see what true bankrupcy is, go look Ubisoft or Embracer's numbers.
SE was unironically inclining for years, this year doing less doesnt mean bankrupcy.
>the smug gay thought Square Enix would have unending growth a
I dont even think it's that, i think it's funny because SE threads are a timeloop for more than 15 years. So his posts are funny ngl.
No, of course not. In a year the stock will be back up even higher than before. It's just amusing that the smug gay thought Square Enix would have unending growth as if they were on the level of Capcom or FromSoft. Verification not required.
>SE is dying
Not while DQ keeps carrying them. It's the only thing they have left.
I like DQ but you need to stop the delusion, bro.
I was wondering where that guy went.
FF16 actually made some money.
Wanna know why their numbers are shit?
-Balan Wonderworld
-Babylons Fall
-The Quiet Man
-Harvestella
-Chocobo GP
-Valkyria Elysium
-Diofield Chronicles
-Forspoken
-NEO TWEWY
Only to name a few.
The problem isn't FF16 only selling 3 million on a dead platform. The problem is having a huge number of very expensive projects all make no money whatsoever. None of the games pulled in players. Years of development time and money wasted entirely. This is whats killing SE
Sure, anon. The games released years before fucked ff16's specific quarter.
Just like avengers only had a bad quarter because of the quied man...
You think games only sell during the first week and after that never again?
CAPCOM and Bandai keep bragging about their old titles pulling in huge numbers every year. One Steam sale is enough to make the quarter look decent but Square Enix doesn't have the same bonus as they constantly release trash that nobody wants to buy even at a huge discount.
It's called trust, anon. After making shit after shit, then NFTs, AI remake of an old text based game that no one liked, spitting on FFVII's legacy, you'd think people would trust them to make a good game? XVI is just decent. Decent is not enough to bring back confidence. Unless VIIReb getting 90's across the board, I'd expect it to sell just well around the same ball park as XVI. Or even less. You fags might disagree, but trailer view count is indicative of interest. And VIIRebirth initial trailer floats around just about the same view count as XVI. And that is pretty scary.
Yeah anon, blame everything else. 16 was actually incredible and had no issues, yoship is a genius and a victim.
>16 was actually incredible and had no issues
Your words, not mine. Next time try reading instead of angrily typing before digesting what's being said, you fucking moron.
They unironically are doing this. They shilled this team for 3 years so the sunk cost is too big, cant admit the game is mid but has good setpieces.
>-Forspoken
this one must have stung, literally led to to the dissolution of an entire studio
and I guess valkyria elysium too, which is sad since valkyria profile fans waited a long time for it
rest were low budget low effort garbage, and at least they got to use yuji naka's patented balan wonderland "press O for the game to play itself"™ gameplay for XV lmao
The games looked bad but they were definitely not cheap. They spend a lot of money on those 5/10 and 6/10 filler titles.
there is no way babylon's fall had any kind of money behind it for example, that shit looked like it was made by platinum's interns on a shoestring budget
Platinum games generally look mediore.
Nier Automata , W101, MGR and the rest all look below average and don't waste much energy on shiny graphics. Doesn't mean the games don't take years to develop. Years you have to pay those studios.
I get that the devs have to be paid but Babylon's fall was barely a game and the armor catalog was lifted from xiv. There obviously wasn't much of a budget to go round
About time people stopped buying the Final Disappointment games. They're not even pseudo JRPGs nowadays, they're fucking hack and slash games with numbers floating around.
if the DLC doesnt add 13 superbosses then this game is the flop of the year
Random thought but a KH MMO could've been great as a Nomura ultimate autism zone but it had to be a mobile game instead. Sad!
Looks like rather than a Final Fantasy they need a Final Solution
My sources at SE used that exact phrase they said Nomura is the Final Solution.
I can't believe people are comparing a forgoten realms dungeons and dragons game with a final fantasy game as if they were the same genre
It's like comparing Fortnite to Arma III
Final fantasy is not a roleplaying game franchise, it's an avant garde gay 13 yo goth girl fashion show parade with rudimentary combat
People bought BG3 because of romance and sex just like they bought Dragon Age because of romance and sex.
You don't understand the depth of anglo dishonesty. A large of number of people want to play H-Games while pretending them they don't like them.
Literally 70% of Persona sales come from US. You think suddenly people loved turn-based dungeon crawling? No they just liked the romance options.
If FFXIII came with a male, romance-focuced protagonist instead of lightning it wouldn't get a fraction of hate it received.
>FF would be better if you can create your own self insert and fuck the cute women
Yes I, and the rest of the world, agree. Now please notify the Square execs.
I love games with romance options, but they are a very very small part of why i enjoy them. I absolutely do not want to play a game dedicated to sex because i'm not a cumbrain with ED at age 22. I'm not anglo tho
>snow is protag instead
>dont start out going out with serah but you can pick between the sisters, vanille, and oerba
i would probably romance lighting instead of serah
>You don't understand the depth of anglo dishonesty.
saxon chads we are still living rent free. we are literally the master race
>US is now mostly minorities
>anglos are an obscure minority relative to other white people including Arabs, Germans, Italians
>Anglos still haunt their nightmares
They're just jealous our king can whore around on the side while their kings aren't allowed
rule the waves brother. the Anglo sphere will be strong again i've seen it in the stars
It's also true about Baldurs Gate 2
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/david-gaider-interview-romanceable-companions-and-his-cancelled-planescape-sequel
>They made romance options more of a big focus in the game
>It sells like hot butter
also funny how one of BG2's biggest inspirations was FF7. Also Planescape torment took a log of inspiration from Japanese RPGs
It's time for another synthesis. Japanese anime-style crpg time!!!
Square Enix has to be the most sterotypically "we are just clueless greedy old Japs" company in the entire world.
Let's list it:
>mismanage Final Fantasy, no one knows what the series is about anymore
>try to pander to westerners with games like Forspoken and blindly follow ESG bullshit
>follow every single soulless corporate AAA gaming trend possible
>buy Eidos, then sell it years later for 300 million to Embracer, then they spend the money on a shitty NFT project everyone hated and was a total failre
>btw Embracer sold JUST the Tomb Rider rights to amazon for 600 mil, so twice as much
>still go for timed exclusivity with Snoy when the true money is in being multiplat nowadays
>have a surprise hit game in NieR: Automata developed by Platinum, what do they do? never hire Yoko Taro for a big project again, NieR is only used for spin-off/low budget marketing projects or remaster at best and Platinum were hired to create a GaaS cashgrab title that was even more DoA than anyone expected, with 100 peak players in it's entire few month lifetime after which they shut down the servers
Is there anything else i forgot?
I honestly believe that companies like EA or Ubisoft pat themselves on the back every day that even if they are hated by the public, at least they are not as fucking bad as Squeenix. And there is nothing anyone can do to fix them at this point.
not when konami exist
>no one knows what the series is about anymore
this lmao, at this point just what is the identity of this IP, they need to stop flip flop around the gameplay, it needs to be more than just big yellow chicken chocobos and primal gods
new "fans" cope and say that was always experimental and doesn't need an identity beyond chocobos and moogles
but yes it's fucking retarded to keep changing genres in the mainline and pretend like this was the vision when the first 10 games all followed the same fundamentals
oh no
Final Flop Shitsteen was outsold by Pikmin 4. yoshiters won't talk about it tho
>dude bear sex XD
>dude android ass XD
>dude big titty anime girls XD
It's simple. They need to go lewder. More shock value, more normie attention. I know Japan can do it.
>dude muh game of thrones audience XD
too bad their game came out so late that GoT was no longer cool even amongst westaboos and widely disliked because of the trash ending.
The funny thing is that GoT ended and collapsed in 2019. Yoshida had plenty of time to lean XVI away from being a GoT ripoff but he went full throttle with it anyway, and it did NOT pay off.
The best part of the game, which is the earlier parts, was the only part where it is the closest to GoT. Once the story introduce Ultima is when the story went full retard and the pacing got worse.
add slaves and the Americans will freak.
>Americans will freak
Only Blackids will. But considering how they're almost all mutts, I see where you're going.
No waifu party members no buy.
>FFXIV expansion releasing next financial year
Good time to buy the dip.
Not when Endwalker was shit and YoshiP is still preoccupied on xvi expansions. Dawntrail is going to have the fastest transition to maintenance mode out of all the expansions
All FF devs are on suicide watch right now.
One reason I don't take FFXIII criticism seriously is that the people who hated FFXIII were fellating Dragon Age Origins. I got fooled into playing that and it was literally more or a slog to finish. It had worse combat and nonexistent enemy variety buh muh choices
>This MS shill queer is on his fanfic again
kek
Yoship is literally right.
Nobody called fucking Mario RPG a JRPG. Or even FF6. It was just a RPG like all the other games.
Only when AAA started exploding with Bioware and Bethesda selling millions did people start using the terms WRPG and JRPG everywhere. Because WRPGs are big ambitious projects that push the media forward while JRPGs are backwards uninspiring titles that stick to the rules of the past and don't innovate in any way.
This kind of thinking is what got us the Capcom dark age when Inafune went full retard and went "Japan cannot make big games anymore we need our own Oblivion our own Call of Duty our own Halo" and so we ended up getting trash like DmC, Lost Planet 3 and Resident Evil 6.
>Because WRPGs are big ambitious projects that push the media forward
There has never been one single good western rpg. Not one.
Kingdom Come: Deliverance is excellent, I think a JRPG fan might actually find some real enjoyment in that one, it opens with your town getting burned down.
Yeah but KC:D wasn't the kind of game used as example to shit on JRPGs.
It was Skyrim and Dragon Age...
since I love all RPGs i never take any of that shit flinging too seriously. Like I will play Planescape: Torment and then the next day play Dragon Quest 5
>Like I will play Planescape: Torment
Read. You will read Planescape: Torment
>b-but baldur's gate b-b-but planescape b-b-b-b-ut fallout
Not one.
>the terms WRPG and JRPG
Stop beating a dead horse. Just call them RPGs.
>WRPGs are big ambitious projects
And... stopped reading there
>stick to the rules of the past and don't innovate in any way.
Literally the problem with Japanese gaming was trying too hard to add new things and constantly changing ways when gamers just wanted goyslop.
Most traditional JRPGs weren't even marketed to west.
yoshi saved square just to then murder it himself
kinda based in a way but his games suck
>yoshi saved square just to then murder it himself
it's honestly so fucking hilarious
My god just fucking die already. This company and FF as a series should've ended a long time ago. You are not Capcom. Not even close.
Uhhh...sony sisters? I thought you gals said XVI sold well and SE was doing fine, you mind explaining this?
One different aspect between JP and Western develop philosophy is that for West, games are more than games. The evolution should be that you would feel that you live in the game world. Where boundaries between real and fiction would blur. The Japanese don't get it that's why their game feel "stuck". They're just that, games, instead of living, breathing world.
When Elden Ring released you could see some Western devs criticizing the inventory stuff being on screen all the time. It would distract them from "being in the game". This is also why a lot of people chud out because they want to "be a woman" in the realest sense possible
>you live in the game world. Where boundaries between real and fiction would blur.
No, have a nice day GPTman.