Almost 50 hours over the past week. I could have gotten further faster but I was trying to enjoy myself a little in the and not speed to the end too quickly I have enough people with health stealing items now to run a full bloody armor team. Should be pretty smooth sailing on into the CoT.
How much sleep have you guys lost over the past week?
Played it for the first time ever, took me around 32 hours on Universe to get to the ending, only thing I looked up was how the character recruitments worked because I wanted Opera and Chisato
Now I'm debating whether I'll go through the postgame, NG+ the Rena route for Dias or play Star Ocean 6
They affect story cutscenes in a few cases.
The only two I can think of are who appears in the field of love cutscene and who you spend a night on the beach with before the final dungeon.
It's specifically a PA where Claude can choose Rena, Percis or play it off. If you pick one the other gets negative points. It's basically >you want space elf pussy or the cheeky brat
>Music has unique thing at every level
Huh. Do you get to choose what level to use it at or do you have to be super careful when leveling it up to not accidentally go past the thing you wanted?
The silver trumpet will give you a song that summons bosses. But the boss you summon is tied to the level of your music. If you play the song at level 10 you will always summon the queen but if you play the song at level 8 you will always summon the dragon tyrant
You don't need to stiffle music levels anymore as devil's aria is selectable on what level you want to use.
It's funny that they doubled down on the cluster fuck of arts spam. I can't wait to see how ridiculous Iseria queen is going to be.
Iseria is simultaneously pretty bad but also not as bad. To explain when you do have her locked down yes it's a clusterfuck, however she isn't locked down nearly as much as vanilla so2 and breaks out pretty often.
Keep 3 characters at level 7,8, and 9 then level everyone else up to 10.
I didn't use it much, but don't you just get to compose 2 songs per instrument, which you then have unlocked and can use whenever?
Skill level only seems to affect chances of it working, not if a song is available
The silver trumpet will give you a song that summons bosses. But the boss you summon is tied to the level of your music. If you play the song at level 10 you will always summon the queen but if you play the song at level 8 you will always summon the dragon tyrant
This is a lie by the way. The voice setting only affects your party members (and not Welch), all the NPCs only have one voice that plays regardless of setting.
Yeah pretty much, and it feels like the standard difficulty is balanced around playing it like a regular JRPG while Universe is balanced around using IC shenanigans
The "party making comments in world map and dungeons" new feature is pretty neat but the text goes away too fast. I'm playing in japanese and I can understand everything but sometimes the text goes away before I finish reading it.
Skill issue I guess
Playing in English it continues far too slowly and you sit there waiting for the entire conversation to play out before entering a town or fighting an enemy or something very often.
Incompressible spell and arts spam is peak Star Ocean, if your game isn't a cacophony of people yelling out the same move over and over it's not Star Ocean.
You say that, but on the other hand I will never forget fighting a golem as a mage. There's not THAT many games that have moments (and phrases) as deeply ingrained in my memory as DD does.
Nah, I like the game. I'm playing it right now.
Also about golem. I'm playing as dagger user so I need to unequip them during the fights. At least I have a bow. Punching the shit our of big dumb rock is really memorable
>or YS
Man I remember reading a post like this and I played every single last one of those games. Weren't even on sale, forked over 300 bucks in total just so I could know what I was missing in regards to gameplay
Fayt from 3 cracks me up >"Burning...Sword!" >>fire sword >"Ice Blade" >>ice sword >"Blinding bolt of lightning, grant my sword the power! TO STRIKE DOWN EVIL!!!"
sword
No goddamn reason for him to cite an entire verse before lightning sword but fuck it they did it anyway
Fayt from 3 cracks me up >"Burning...Sword!" >>fire sword >"Ice Blade" >>ice sword >"Blinding bolt of lightning, grant my sword the power! TO STRIKE DOWN EVIL!!!"
sword
No goddamn reason for him to cite an entire verse before lightning sword but fuck it they did it anyway
Maybe they wanted to compare it to Tales' Indignation: >COME FORTH, DIVINE LIGHTNING - THIS ENDS NOW! INDIGNATION
Pick who you like. They all have their own stories and side stuff you won't see if you don't pick them and combat wise it really doesn't matter much in the long run.
If you ever want to do another playthrough with the other protagonist you can just grab the other members to see their stuff then.
how do you make mages stop casting stupid bullshit on the first frame of a fight?
Im fighting some magical bullshit and I want to get my reflect up. its like if you miss that first cycle you are so boned
Nearing the end, should I continue on to postgame or do NG+? I have Precis, Opera, Ern, Chisato, Dias, and Celine right now.
Are there difficulties higher than Universe you can unlock by the way?
Haven't beaten it yet but in the original, you unlock universe after beating the game. I'm guessing you'll unlock chaos difficulty in this game instead.
Jesus Christ, nobody fucking tested Precis' postgame weapon for balancing.
No fucking wonder Expel got accepted into the Pangalactic Federation less than a decade after the events of SO2. Crazy bitch makes absolutely insane weapons of mass destruction.
The shit Precis and her dad built is kinda crazy when you think about it.
They live in a medieval society and reverse engineered robots and developed full fledged AI from some satellite debris they found in the mountains.
> full fledged AI
I don't think any of Precis' handiwork (at least in the timeframe of the events of SO2 itself) had stuff that operated on AI.
At best, when acting autonomously, her machines were wind-up toys that just ran around with no clear direction. Elaborate and extremely destructive wind-up toys yes, but not really indicative of even the most basic of AI.
The shit Precis and her dad built is kinda crazy when you think about it.
They live in a medieval society and reverse engineered robots and developed full fledged AI from some satellite debris they found in the mountains.
Yeah, it's all remote controlled, not AI.
She is always holding a gamepad, or PSP in the PSP version, that she moves Robbie with.
people treat Leon like a genius for slapping a highly powered magical stone into a magical cannon and making big explosions with an entire kingdom's worth of support behind him while Precis casually speedran through 500 years of human scientific progress before she even hit 18
>Permanent x2 Skill Damage >At the cost of x2 MP consumption >But you can spill over the cost into consuming HP if there's no more MP >In a game where "20% of damage is absorbed into HP" is an easily acquirable upgrade for all Weapons
What the fuck were they thinking?
I'll tell you what. They were thinking about MAXIMUM FUN.
Jesus Christ, nobody fucking tested Precis' postgame weapon for balancing.
No fucking wonder Expel got accepted into the Pangalactic Federation less than a decade after the events of SO2. Crazy bitch makes absolutely insane weapons of mass destruction.
After getting this weapon, all my fights have essentially went like: >BARRIYAH >BA >BARI >BARIYAH >BARRI >BARIYAAAAH
I may be wrong, but I believe it's either a +100% or +200% ATK boost. It's the effect you get when one of your characters gets killed, then another (high affinity) gets an aura and does a shit ton more damage. With the 'zerker ring, you get the effect but not the aura or status effect. Now from what I've read, you can equip the ring, have someone die and actually GET the buff aura and it adds another +100% damage or some shit.
Based as fuck.
Welch went off with Ashton to exorcise the dragons so she could bone him finally and keep them as pets
Precis and Chisato became lesbo reporters on Expel
And of course Claude and Rena had a kid, but I think the ending with him always being away for months is kinda shit. Military marriages really don't work well and there's nearly always a Jody in the ones that 'do work'.
Can I ever go back to do the arena stuff in Lacouer or did I miss out on those rewards permanently?
Just got to the 2nd planet and forgot about it completely...
just started the game, did the treasure hunt with the wizard woman. should I turn the difficulty up? I'm bulldozing every encounter pretty easily. I've also never played this before
Yes. Stick with Universe and heavily engage with IC. If it stops being fun just swap back to Galaxy and swap back when it gets too easy and stops being fun.
Sure, you can just turn it down when it gets too hard.
You should absolutely play on Universe, yeah.
It's REALLY easy to completely break the game in half on the lower difficulties without even intending to. Any kind of using Specialties/Item Creation will make the game a cakewalk.
Universe will at least offer "some" resistance to that. Although going overboard with IC will still make it pretty easy too.
ok cool thanks, I'm outta here before I get spoiled on anything
You should absolutely play on Universe, yeah.
It's REALLY easy to completely break the game in half on the lower difficulties without even intending to. Any kind of using Specialties/Item Creation will make the game a cakewalk.
Universe will at least offer "some" resistance to that. Although going overboard with IC will still make it pretty easy too.
>every battle trophy
Nah game only asks you 80% of them but I got a little bit more than that. Getting 100% is insane I wouldn't want to damage my console leaving it on overnight multiple times with a turbo controller
You will absolutely miss a ton of PAs because you won't feel like walking all the way back across the map just for a quick missable event when in the remake there's quick travel
And item creations and skills being way slower to obtain/use
You're going to miss PA, party members, the entire skill and IC system, sidequest, and others unless you don't have a guide open the entire time you're playing.
The remake has fast travel, so you won't have to run across the entire world for an hour to see a 2 minute long scene in early game towns every time something in the story happens.
That alone makes the remake a HUGE upgrade. If you play the original you will most likely just not bother with all those little scenes that are out of the way, hell you won't even find them without a guide, and those are some of the best parts of the game
>I prefer the prerendered backgrounds
Have fun searching for hidden screens.
travelling for the PAs, with no clue as to wether or not they actually are availlable.
A long time to get all the skill, plus more farming since you have to buy the packs.
At first i didn't like the new backgrounds, but they've grown on me. Plus all the QoL are really worth it. I still cry like a little bitch in the whole 700 hundred million yo space elf pussy part
Can you recruit Opera without Ernest?
I like her but can't stand him.
I want to do like Celine, Precis, Opera, Welch, Dias, Chisato, is that possible now?
I think if I remember right Ernest would always join automatically if you have Opera in the PSP version
Got any helpful tips for a new player? Not looking for anything ground breaking, just useful tidbits or stuff you wish you'd known about before playing.
Play on Universe.
There's a skill that reduces the cost of learning every other skill, good idea to get that first.
Maybe look up what party members you want and how to get them since there's quite a few choices and some are mutually exclusive.
Unless you want to break the game in half and steamroll everything maybe don't use the Super Speciality the game straight up tells you is akin to cheating and will ruin the experience.
Just be yourself. The remame makes it easy to get all the optional events and stuff so just play the video game as you like.
Play on Universe.
There's a skill that reduces the cost of learning every other skill, good idea to get that first.
Maybe look up what party members you want and how to get them since there's quite a few choices and some are mutually exclusive.
Unless you want to break the game in half and steamroll everything maybe don't use the Super Speciality the game straight up tells you is akin to cheating and will ruin the experience.
Just be yourself. The remame makes it easy to get all the optional events and stuff so just play the video game as you like.
I’ve heard this game is somewhat similar to Tales in terms of battle gameplay.
If I like Shmphonia will I kinda like this? I’m aware it’s different in a lot of autistic ways but that interests me even more.
Can I romance the the haired elf? Does this game even have a romance system?
The battle is similar with the first 2 tales games made, that's it. It's a lot more simple compared to the combo autism tales turned into. On the otherhand it's a lot more complex in the RPG side compared to tales.
There's romance in the way that you have events where you pick choices that will affect character affection with each other like a visual novel. But most of the romance is isolated to those events and the ending. The main story is going to continue as is and not going to change according to the affection levels.
Symphonia continues to be the weird outlier of romance affecting a few things.
Anyways neat. Bought the game.
If I play claude can I still get rena in the party?
To be honest it's not that big of a difference with symphonia. Iirc there's only 1 scene in symphonia that changes depending on affection and everything else is pretty much the same. >If I play claude can I still get rena in the party?
Yeah, what you don't get is a party member. Each protagonist have their own exclusive party member that only they can recruit.
That’s fine. Thanks anon.
And yeah the scenes in Symphony that change are like 2 conversation scenes, whoever Mythos steals, and whoever shows up in the ending.
That being said Sheena best girl.
>If I play claude can I still get rena in the party?
They literally are inseparable (storywise at least. If you have a 5+ party roster, you can swap one of them out the active party).
Claude and Rena effectively follow the same adventure, but the difference is from whose perspective it's told through. And well, there are a handful of events unique to depending on who you play as.
Yes. You can play as them in combat and run around the field with them too.
That choice is for whose perspective you get during the story as far as narrative goes. There's a handful of times where the party is separated where you won't have access to her, but for 99% of the game you do.
If you have no preference most people usually agree picking Claude is the better/ more interesting experience for a first playthrough
Claude's space stuff is just a lot cooler than the maiden in love and Dias stuff Rena has in the first half of the game. Second half of the game I think Rena's perspective gets much more interesting though so it evens out overall
Gonna start a Rena playthrough and since I got Precis last time I'll be picking up Bowman but holy shit. Who is gonna do that kind of big dick damage that Precis does?
Leaving the continent ks a big difficulty spike on universe. I can kill the enemies and dodge their attacks but the girls are just dying because the AI is retarded.
Guess I need to change the order so they focus on dodging?
Playing this made me realize that all I really need to be happy with a JRPG is a world map to run around and explore
Open world and interconnected maps are both soulless in comparison
They are outlaws hanging out in the intergalactic space equivalent of a tiny African Village built out of mud where everyone still uses rocks as tools, who would do the capturing
There is no other art for those scenes.
Portraits weren't a thing before this remake.
If it annoys you you can just turn them off entirely for the original and PSP experience.
>bowman >literally just some guy >beats up villains with martial arts, saves the universe, unravels the secrets of the universe >goes back to his small backwater town in his small backwater planet to fuck his wife
ok whats the deal with this final boss he makes a stupid purple ring and your entire team dies, wtf. how do I know when to pull my team out. I can heal between his nukes but I fucking hate reviving my entire team
is it some kind of physical attack and guard applies to it? im assuming it counts as magic damage even though its a """spell""" and not symbology???
>tfw twin slash is my favorite move but it doesn't hold up in this version
I wish I could use it all game but enemies with guard up tank the hits and interrupt it and the move takes some time to finish for just 4 hits and you want to hit harder and faster when enemies are staggered
>If I want Opera, Ernest and Welch in my party I can't recruit neither 2 last characters
Should I just give up on Celice in the next playthrough if I want both of them?
If I were you, I would skip Welch. Welch learns a killer move from Precis, who in turn learns one from Ashton, but if you're getting Opera you can't get him.
I thought about getting Welch in both playthroughs. And I don't really care about cheesing the game so much. But from what I saw Perice has good interactions with Claude. And I'm not sure there is anything interesting between her and Rena.
Ashton is the canon join, same as Precis. But he does suck now in combat so only really bother picking him up if you care about that and/or want Precis to be slightly better.
It's hard to find the balance of wanting to break the game a bit but hot too much.
Just the rewards from doing random challenges give you way too much so I think I will mostly ignore them until the post game
>Never got Opera in SO2 regular because she wasn't directly offered and I was a dumb kid. >Still not sure if I missed her this time.
Just started and got to Krosse, and I believe Ernest ran by me and Claude freaked out about a 3 eyed man. I hear Ashton sucks this time so I'm definitely aiming to get her. Did I fuck up?
Zettai Ryouiki aka "absolute territory"
a term that's been around for decades and refers to girls wearing stockings/socks that stop before their skirt. That thigh area is what's being referenced. For some reason it's a lot sexier than no socks or skirt, like it's amplifying the thighs.
ZeroRanger, a game near and dear to my heart.
But no, really though, this
Zettai Ryouiki aka "absolute territory"
a term that's been around for decades and refers to girls wearing stockings/socks that stop before their skirt. That thigh area is what's being referenced. For some reason it's a lot sexier than no socks or skirt, like it's amplifying the thighs.
Help me decide whether to get it on the Switch or on PC.
PC undeniably looks much nicer and the load times are better - though not by that much, honestly. But it's denuvo'd, which is a shitty practice that I wouldn't want to support.
Main pros of the Switch version are being able to get a physical copy (and allegedly the full game is on the cart, extra download is just for the language packs) and playing portably - I'm playing though 1 in bed right now and it's very comfy.
Side question about 1 - I'm getting Cyuss+Phia+Pericci, would Welch or T'nique fit the remaining slot better?
Switch runs like shit, 720p, 30fps and longest loading times
only a retard would play this on a Switch
Yeah but it's not really a game you need 4k or even 1080p60 for, and the loading times really aren't that bad - I've compared them with PC side-by-side.
>I'm getting Cyuss+Phia+Pericci
are you trolling or are you not aware that this is Star Ocean 2 remake?
>Side question about 1
I know it's a 2R thread but it's not like there's a Star Ocean general or anything.
I'm playing on emul and appearing trees or parts of the buildings sometimes in front of you are trully annoying. Also 60fps is nice and I guess 120FPS are even better
Thanks for calling out that guy after I already did it myself, but back to the question, T'nique or Welch? I'm leaning towards Welch myself but I'm not too sure.
Not him and he's wrong about the actual argument, but it's definitely a reddit word part of the "I think I'm a scientist lawyer philosopher" internet arguing kit.
You have no counter argument because you know I'm right.
Fuck off and have a nice day you disingeunous homosexual.
Not him and he's wrong about the actual argument, but it's definitely a reddit word part of the "I think I'm a scientist lawyer philosopher" internet arguing kit.
Nah fuck off with your psued nonsense.
I see someone being a homosexual thats intentionally misrepresenting the post he's quoting, I'm going to call him out on it. Those kinds of posts have absolutely ruined this website over the lalf a decade and idiots like you do nothing but encourage them to keep doing it.
>Nah fuck off with your psued nonsense.
The only pseud nonsense is redditors pretending to be masters of internet debate by using words and phrases lawyers typically use in court to try to sound smart.
>Those kinds of posts have absolutely ruined this website over the lalf a decade and idiots like you do nothing but encourage them to keep doing it.
No, newfag. What ruined this site was the absolutely fucking massive influx of redditors in 2011-2012. I'm guessing that's when you showed up, and you bitch about 2016 immigrants being what ruined it.
I've tried different versions of this over the years and I always quit after the first dungeon (not the mansion, some sort of cave?) because it's a long maze and they expect you to backtrack all the way to the exit yourself once you accomplish your objective. Is this version any different? are there items that teleport you outside of dungeons? do dungeons themselves have maps now?
>Is this version any different? are there items that teleport you outside of dungeons?
They added fast travel in the remake. Though I don't know if it lets you teleport to the entrance. There is cut-scene in the entrance so it might be disabled
>Allen's rape dungeon in the mine
First dungeon. You literally just go until you bust the boss' gorilla balls, then Claude says 'boy am I glad I didn't pick to be you and have to do a wriggle in chains minigame versus tentacles! Your mom must be worried sick, let's go back home' and you're instantly out. This is what it is for SO2R at least.
This game has way the fuck too many options and I guarantee that there's not enough skill points to master all crafts. How do I avoid picking the wrong thing? What do I get?
>not enough skill points to master them all. Besides the fact that the max level is 255, you get skill points just for doing random battles now, retard
It's an IC skill. You enable it and every battle you win gives bonus BP/SP at the cost of a bit of Fol. But the sacrifice doesn't really matter because fol is super easy to acquire.
You learn the Determination, Resilience, and effort skills to learn the Training speciality (increases exp gains for lowered stats in battle)
Learn Herbal Medicine and Patience to get the Survival speciality
Once your party collectively has high enough levels in both, you will get the Enlightenment super speciality, which increases the amount of skill points and BP you get, but decreases the amount of money you get
I like a lot of his dynamic poses but the portrait art that you see the most ingame is the weakest. Rena has this weird 1000 yard stare and doesn't look as cute.
>Cuck shit
Silly zoomies, this is a 90's gag. Lots of female centric romantic comedies in that era had endings where someone would rush into a wedding and try to get it to stop. You don't see that kind of ending these days, probably because it was done to death in the '90s.
SE is just the published, the team that did the remaster are chads
SE didn't make this. It was outsourced to another dev. All they did was give them the SO IP and published it
The developers of this remake are a japanese studio called Gemdrops Inc. >Gemdrops Inc. Is a Japanese game company founded by former tri-Ace programmer Yuichiro Kitao, credited as Battle Programmer on Star Ocean 3, Valkyrie Profile, and Valkyrie Profile 2
So did this nigga just want to dab on all the developers releasing lazy ass ports and calling them "remakes" or what? Either way I hope he keeps doing it.
Fun game. Really good spritework too. Would it have killed them to get the same dude that did the spritework here to at least give his personal attempt at adapting the SO2 sprites into a more modern style? I feel like the chibi style was holding them back. And hell, just looking at Raymond and Lettuce's Assault Support animations, you can easily see that they were an effort above the rest in terms of spritework.
Celine said she needs to visit her home town to decipher the text Game makes you go into port town after the town was destroyed you finally visit Celine hometown
Seems like they fucked up sequence. Was that the same in original?
There are several points where you need to go somewhere but the story wants you to stop somewhere else first and the sequence of events doesn't make sense.
It works the same way as the original. Also this is correct
I'm assuming if you don't recruit her they won't plan to go that way until they have no choice
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The way I interpreted that part if you recruit celine is that she just decided to tag along anywhere for the sorcery globe but got "lucky" and things went her way anyways.
>Look up doujins >Leon x Claude, Shotacon yaoi bullshit instead of Chisato being a plump busty hag getting 'interviewed' in her ass
I've seen enough and hate it. HATE IT
>Claude, stop talking to other women! >Claude, is that another girl for our party?! >Claude, how could you just leave without thinking about how that made me feel?! >Okay, I'm going to leave to go help Dias find a sword to beat you and then miss your first match
It's not NTR so much as it's Rena being peak woman moment: the character.
I plant to get Opera but I went to the dragon mine just to collect chests and add enemies to the book but stopped right at the save point, never engaging with Ashton.
Does that mess up Opera's quest?
No. You can even watch the cutscene with ashton and deny him. Just don't go back down there or he will force his way into your party. Opera can still join
It starts a bit slow. You want one point of No Guard at the start of the game, there's a certain boss fight that's fucking annoying without it. Besides that, don't be afraid to swap characters. Character swapping is the best way to get longer combos.
Learn to use duma guard immediately or the worm boss will filter you. It's also the easiest way to gain AP until you get nina.
Get comfortable with using blindside. You need to time it with enemy attacks for it to trigger.
>Claude's pathetic jealousy and getting depressed any time he loses to another guy >Rena's woman moment one after the other
Who says jrpgs don't have realistic writing?
Are you trying to frame her sulking and then leaving the party to help Claude's opponent and then missing Claude's match as her simply going to see Dias?
Nigga the kind of stupid shit I did to get my highschool sweetheart to pay attention. Fuck me I remember the cringey shit we did to each other before we started dating in highschool >"I would totally go out with you if you were religious" >"you're not going to let him talk to me like that" >"Hey dude she's totally hitting on him"
Fuck me, the autism displayed during the tournament arc hits uncomfortably too close to home.
I'm kind of at a loss what to do for this double arena battle with the angels that isn't "abuse bloody equipment". Both bosses before were barely doable but opera is my main breaker and one of them absorbs blackhole because blackhole is darkness damage, and the other absorbs my other move hyperlauncher lol. Don't think chisato+claude can get a break on their own.
What's the entirety of your party? I was literally just in the midst of recodring another clear without using bloody armor. I've done it with every combination of these characters and figured I'd do one more run with the team I beat it the first time with for the recording.
Actually I did record it but only the last 3 fucking minutes because I looked down when one died and realized I didn't start the recording
Anyways basically you and your team are going to die a lot
There's no way to avoid that. The way to die the least amount of time is to AVD max stack on everybody
The other secret are evades, you can evade the beyblade, you can evade the discs, you can evade the melee attacks, and each one (besides when they're beyblading) if you've maxed all your battle skills is basically 2 free shields down. You only need two
If you've got welch and precis (to learn Mithril fist), welch's mithril fist can knock them out of their spins
If you've got chisato just use tear gass when they stop moving
Celine should be right in the action so she can guarantee damage with meteor, set her to attack nonstop and use all of her MP to tighten her chain casting.
Precis nearly breaks the fight on her own with her special weapon so I kind of bench her. Rena should have the highest/second highest AVD
At least 2 members need star/light damage absorption so meteors don't full wipe you. At 9999 HP you can use holy mist to soak through it halfway into it's damage application
This is one of those games that is causing me "choice freeze". Idk what to put my fucking points into, tons of choices and then the game tells me I need to be careful cause choices all combine into super choices that involve more than 1 char, so I'm just gonna end up dropping it
Yeah you don't but you can argue easily that all Maze of Tribulations gear is irrelevant when you are invulnerable to everything. I don't mind Battle Suits since it requires some for thought and doesn't make you invincible to everything.
>NOOOO >You have to balance the single player game!
Fuck off.
>NOOOO. You can't have a nuanced point! Everything must be black or white!
>You can't have a nuanced point
What's you're nuanced point that isn't just you getting mad about balance in a single player game that's literally designed for the player to break the game through systems? Please explain what nuance there is. "I think this is broken but it should be balanced to be a little less broken" is not nuance, it's just you being an idiot.
Please explain how I am mad for making a valid point about Bloody Armour? I think the nuance is obvious, being able to be overpowered is fine for a part of the game but becoming completely invulnerable makes the game pointless. Granted it's player choice, but at least make it a reward for 100 percenting the game or something.
If anything responding 'fuck off' clearly makes you look like the angry one here anon. You can enjoy being overpowered because you're still killable within the game. Being invulnerable is like a cheat code. You literally can't lose.
Okay, just devolving into 'You're mad' comments to avoid having a legitimate conversation. I'm not gonna bother wasting my time with shit posters who can't at least try and understand my perspective.
>Please explain how I am mad for making a valid point about Bloody Armour?
It's not a valid point. You're an idiot crying about balance in a single player game where there are a million systems for you to use. You decided you like this particular one (that's entirely optional) but don't like just quite how powerful it is so you want that one optioned nerfed so you don't feel like you're cheesing the game even though you still would be because bloody armor doesn't work unless you can out-heal the health drain either way and bosses have a ton of HP making fights long.
>If anything responding 'fuck off' clearly makes you look like the angry one here anon.
Nope. You're just an idiot.
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Okay anon here is your (You), don't spend it all at once. Wouldn't want you to seethe any harder than you are now over words on a screen.
>Yeah you don't but you can argue easily that all Maze of Tribulations gear is irrelevant when you are invulnerable to everything.
Sure you could argue that, but the other side is that you don't have to use it.
It's an option of last resort in the same way that changing the difficulty is. The end outcome should be modulating for fun. I don't find Bloody Armor to be particularly satisfying and as a result it's less fun to engage in so I don't use it.
Much in the same way that I don't find earth all that hot for somebody like me either.
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You can beat all of them without it. They're not all balanced to the same level and 4 of them can be done before you even start on the Maze of Tribulations.
As for how? The way you beat everything else, breaking and killing. On Universe it's more of a gear check "do I have the def (or AVD for 3 of them) to survive a single hit" and if not "do I have the ability that makes me survive with 1 hp if I take damage that can kill me while over 40%)
Nothing in the game requires bloodyarmor
t. beat maze, gabriel unlimited, Iseria Queen, all raids, and nearly every arena besides double angel at level 130-150 without it.
>Yeah you don't but you can argue easily that all Maze of Tribulations gear is irrelevant when you are invulnerable to everything. >Sure you could argue that, but the other side is that you don't have to use it. > >It's an option of last resort in the same way that changing the difficulty is. The end outcome should be modulating for fun. I don't find Bloody Armor to be particularly satisfying and as a result it's less fun to engage in so I don't use it. >Much in the same way that I don't find earth all that hot for somebody like me either. > >You can beat all of them without it. They're not all balanced to the same level and 4 of them can be done before you even start on the Maze of Tribulations. > >As for how? The way you beat everything else, breaking and killing. On Universe it's more of a gear check "do I have the def (or AVD for 3 of them) to survive a single hit" and if not "do I have the ability that makes me survive with 1 hp if I take damage that can kill me while over 40%) > >Nothing in the game requires bloodyarmor >t. beat maze, gabriel unlimited, Iseria Queen, all raids, and nearly every arena besides double angel at level 130-150 without it.
Fair enough. I'm more thinking of it from a progression point of view, like rewarding the player with Bloody Armour would incentive challenging themselves with the mechanics, like factors, synthesizing other equipment first. I think I'm okay with breaking a game initially but I always want my superbosses to be somewhat challenging.
Granted that's my own perspective. I'm not a complete OP gear purist.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>complain about nuance and pretend you have a point >get a substantial answer >go full redditor homosexual mode pretending replies are upvotes because you're angry that you can't come up with an actual reply
Anyone who complains about balance in single player games is a retarded homosexual without fail. Stop being so mad that you rightfully got called an idiot.
>Yeah you don't but you can argue easily that all Maze of Tribulations gear is irrelevant when you are invulnerable to everything.
Sure you could argue that, but the other side is that you don't have to use it.
It's an option of last resort in the same way that changing the difficulty is. The end outcome should be modulating for fun. I don't find Bloody Armor to be particularly satisfying and as a result it's less fun to engage in so I don't use it.
Much in the same way that I don't find earth all that hot for somebody like me either.
Is there a way to beat raid bosses without bloody armor? Maybe if you do the Dodge/attack over and over while spamming assault characters for aid and the rest of your team gets mogged by the raid boss, that would be one way I think? Otherwise if you're not using bloody armor on your whole team everyone's going to get wiped.
You can beat all of them without it. They're not all balanced to the same level and 4 of them can be done before you even start on the Maze of Tribulations.
As for how? The way you beat everything else, breaking and killing. On Universe it's more of a gear check "do I have the def (or AVD for 3 of them) to survive a single hit" and if not "do I have the ability that makes me survive with 1 hp if I take damage that can kill me while over 40%)
Nothing in the game requires bloodyarmor
t. beat maze, gabriel unlimited, Iseria Queen, all raids, and nearly every arena besides double angel at level 130-150 without it.
I had seen someone on YouTube use Rena to sol the one iron Giant boss back on expel in the desert. I figured it involved cheese one way or the other. I can maybe try New game Plus with some remade gear and see if I can beat them then I guess.
That's not necessary. That boss in particular is a post game boss. After you beat the game you can come back to expel (which is also where the post-game dungeon is. At that time you can do the super bosses there and also the ones you can't reach unless you're in post game)
Okay anon here is your (You), don't spend it all at once. Wouldn't want you to seethe any harder than you are now over words on a screen.
[...] >Yeah you don't but you can argue easily that all Maze of Tribulations gear is irrelevant when you are invulnerable to everything. >Sure you could argue that, but the other side is that you don't have to use it. > >It's an option of last resort in the same way that changing the difficulty is. The end outcome should be modulating for fun. I don't find Bloody Armor to be particularly satisfying and as a result it's less fun to engage in so I don't use it. >Much in the same way that I don't find earth all that hot for somebody like me either. > >You can beat all of them without it. They're not all balanced to the same level and 4 of them can be done before you even start on the Maze of Tribulations. > >As for how? The way you beat everything else, breaking and killing. On Universe it's more of a gear check "do I have the def (or AVD for 3 of them) to survive a single hit" and if not "do I have the ability that makes me survive with 1 hp if I take damage that can kill me while over 40%) > >Nothing in the game requires bloodyarmor >t. beat maze, gabriel unlimited, Iseria Queen, all raids, and nearly every arena besides double angel at level 130-150 without it.
Fair enough. I'm more thinking of it from a progression point of view, like rewarding the player with Bloody Armour would incentive challenging themselves with the mechanics, like factors, synthesizing other equipment first. I think I'm okay with breaking a game initially but I always want my superbosses to be somewhat challenging.
Granted that's my own perspective. I'm not a complete OP gear purist.
The reward for doing increasing challenges is gear though. Seraphic Garb in particular is given in relatively small amounts and as rewards for doing the highest content.
The gear you get for doing the double angel superboss is pic related. The game doesn't reward you a single piece of bloody gear for end game content because on top of it's ease of access it's not useful for people trying to play the game using it's mechanics.
Which is why gear progression goes beyond bloody armor in strong "but still" balanced ways.
Pic related has great resistances and a good effect and all but what makes it balanced against the archangels Bracelet is that it buffs exactly 0 stats, as evident by my avoid dropping nearly 100 points on use.
And to be extra frank, if Bloody Armor/helmet were a twin superboss reward it wouldn't be nearly as satisfying as you're using an item that inherently by design trivializes the game to the point of unfun monotony as opposed to one that's fun to build around.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Actually that's a good point that the benefit of the reward still allows you to be strong but enjoy the game within it's mechanics. I never thought about it like that. I suppose Bloody Armour does rob you of that enjoyment which is why I thought it it's dumb to use it and kinda a punishment in of itself. Mechanically it's not that fun to use.
>does defense not matter
Sort of.
The entirety of CoT can be handled with defense stacking. It's what I did. So can Gabriel Unlimited if you just avoid going into melee range of him so he doesn't one shot you with those fucking rings.
Only Iseria queen (and her double fight) go to highs so high that defense can't possibly prevent you from dying. (The golem technically does 2 but his accuracy is through the fucking roof so he's hitting you no matter what)
There's multiple ways to go about that though, resuscitation, and back from the brink add a substantial amount of survivability. As AVD isn't reliable at all, it just gives you a chance of surviving a hit in the way that GUTS stacking used to so you're still rolling the dice.
Really on Rena and 1 frontline need to prioritize avoid. And the rest can build around tanking a single hit, dying, and being revived.
For half of CoT my Chisato had Super Rally, Back from the Brink, and Resuscitation. My Welch was defense stacked so she just powered through attacks and healed back the damage. (and ended up having to solo Gabriella)
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Actually since you're here avoid bro can you answer me a question? Was curious if I just got unlucky or if it really doesn't exist, but can you not roll avoid up factor or gathering stars on accessories? Ridiculous number of their respective masterwork base spam never saw either of them
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I'm pretty sure you can't roll Avoid on accessories. You can roll gathering stars though. It's the first thing I put on all of mine.
There's also a single accessory that breaks the rule that you're given that has HP drain on it and I'm 90% sure you can never roll that on an accessory yourself
My advice is before you craft, replicate your masterwork fodder
This puts it at the top of the list on the left
Then you simply on have to spam left and accept to fill out the slots.
Oh and Gathering Stars is Special. You probably already know that but just being safe
Did you enter the cave of trials before going to fight him?
If you do that he auto-levels up to CoT levels as compensation to not make the fight a cake walk.
You can't anymore. CoT is post game only And also that's not how his limiter works anon
I have been on the final boss for hours, I cannot beat him even on easy mode what the fuck
he just dumps 3 purple rings and everyone gets one shot, hes dumping spells faster than I can manually spam team heals. what god damn level am I supposed to be? All the enemies are green except map raids
Give everybody in your team ranged killer moves. If you get anywhere near him he's going to murder you with his fucking rings.
Claude can spam blaster/sword bomber, dias air slash, Ashton.... nothing don't use him, Precis Forecfield, Chisato Volts, and the mages magic.
He's a bit of a cock though. Those fucking rings.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>My advice is before you craft, replicate your masterwork fodder >This puts it at the top of the list on the left
I've largely been cheesing it by save scumming my initial stack of 20+other fodder needed then when I run out of other fodder reload. It becomes faster on an SSD to reload than to go re replicate 20 again lol.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Oh no I savescum too. I just mean to make the process like a fraction of a second quicker
I do 5, 5, 5, 4 + 1 and reset
Shits going to cause carpal tunnel
They really need to patch in cursor memory.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
wouldn't it be better for fishing to do plain omelete > save > 5 > 5 > reset
Also, yesterday some anon told me I was being too autistic with masterworking/factor singling, so I did some testing with just using 1x factor energy and doing single fodder remaking.
I think it ended up being faster for single item, but if you can do more than 1 item at once, going full 5 fodder and narrowing down factors would work decently
It's nice tagging mutiple rare factors you want in one go
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Potentially. But you'd need godlike menuing to make the saves faster than brute forcing as the food does very little for 5 masterwork factors in the grand scheme of things across hundreds of items compared to brute forcing
As it's around 8 seconds in menuing to load and an additional 2-3 to get back to the factor menu and in that timeframe you can quite literally burn through 19 + 1.
Also 1 fodder and 1 energy introduces too many fail states from the unmitigated factors. Additionally raw stats are the easiest to refactor onto gear as 5 accessories brings the opposing factors to 0 on it's own.
I made a little thing of my process https://streamable.com/47q7t7
Had this game had cursor memory or multi-select this process would be lightning fast for everybody
Is there a way to beat raid bosses without bloody armor? Maybe if you do the Dodge/attack over and over while spamming assault characters for aid and the rest of your team gets mogged by the raid boss, that would be one way I think? Otherwise if you're not using bloody armor on your whole team everyone's going to get wiped.
It's kinda badly tought out since it's a PS2 JRPG, but the point of the twist a "i think, therefore i exist" type of thing
Their universe is real to them, therefore they are real.
Before Lacquer, master chef can let you craft nectar which sells for an extremely large amount.
You can also sell fish for a more simple way to deal with it
After Lacquer just publish books you make with publication and 1 hour after you publish them, return to the vendor to collect enough money to last you the rest of the continent.
So what's important to steal on the first continent in this version? I got the Sprite Bracelet already, and the Keen Kitchen Knife in Salva. I know there's an old man in Marze with the box, you can craft that so it doesn't matter, right? Anything else that's pretty cool to get?
I grew up saying "Ree-nah" since that's how they say it in the original English voice track and that is how I will be calling my daughter for dinner. "Raynuh" seems like a bastardization of the name by Japanese speakers that got imported back into the West for some reason.
Currently in CoT and everything is kicking my ass. Playing on Universe, even green mobs just kill me off so quickly. What are better ways to make my defense not suck?
>What are better ways to make my defense not suck?
Defense max. Put on a blue talismans
Go nuts
Since you're on universe the game is done fucking around. Either you get good factors on all of your gear or you die.
With this level of defense my welch took very little damage and healed everything back up.
I think I ran away from everything on the 3rd floor the first time through.
I have been on the final boss for hours, I cannot beat him even on easy mode what the fuck
he just dumps 3 purple rings and everyone gets one shot, hes dumping spells faster than I can manually spam team heals. what god damn level am I supposed to be? All the enemies are green except map raids
Did you enter the cave of trials before going to fight him?
If you do that he auto-levels up to CoT levels as compensation to not make the fight a cake walk.
It's not our fault, back when almost everyone in this thread was a kid the official artist got kicked from the franchise because he did this:
https://nhentai.net/g/11457/
>Kinda want final team to be Rena, Claude, Precis and Opera >Also know there is a chest that can only be opened if you have Ashton >Precis x Ashton is a cute pairing
Trying to decide what to do. Almost to the point where I can get Ashton.
No real point having Rena and Opera together in the same battle party since Opera can be a better healer and you can put a buffing spell for Rena as an Assault.
You beat the main story and probably ignored all side content if you beat it in 20 hours. A lot of RPGs are like that, main story is like 1/3 of the game..
>Leon has a crush on every girl in the party >Agree to help him out >Set him up with Celine because it'd be funny (and she's the only single woman in the group that isn't Welch) >She rejects him >Open the status menu >See this
I didn't realize this game would be based and /ss/-pilled.
>She rejects him
She doesn't reject him. She tells him to nut up and ask girls out without going through a middle man, and to try again when he's a little older.
>Be Ashton >Be a cool adventurer, to prove your coolness you try to solo a dragon >Bunch of dipshit rookies distract you and now you're cursed with 2 dragon heads coming out of your back (they never stop pestering you) >Elf bitch gives the dragon heads the most retarded names possible, further embarrassing you and tanking your reputation >All the femoids in your party oppose you exorcising the dragon heads because "they are cute teehee!" with 0 regards to your well being >Fall for the qt genius mechanic girl >She ends up with the blonde douchebag nepo baby despite him already getting stank elf pussy on the daily >Also you are the worst party member, as far as gameplay is concerned lmao
>Also you are the worst party member, as far as gameplay is concerned lmao >be Ashton >be considered a legendary top tier party member in terms of gameplay with some of the strongest spammable moves in the whole game >SO2R >They nerfed you to practically being a shadow of your former god tier self
He's incredibly slow and most of his KMs have a shitload of endlag. Stunlocking is also harder to do now so a lot of enemies can just move out of the way of them now. Then you got the buffs they did with Dias, Precis, Ernest and all of the mages and he just falls behind once you hit the post game.
>what moved got crushed
Nearly everything except tornado and piercing blades
>Sword Dance
Enemies can walk out >Dragon Breath
Enemies can walk out
Both will get you killed in CoT
>Northern Cross
Still criminally slow, has him get closer to do the far version (which means he'll just get punched out of it), and does no damage >Vanishing Swords
Somehow worse. Nearly no damage per slice and the suction it gets is almost exclusively only useful as an assault (and still bad there as he locks your assault bar for the entire fucking duration)
>Tri-ace
No longer freezes the screen, no longer force staggers (completely neutering it against Gabriella), and does damage so low that fucking twin thrust beats it.
Hurricane slash is still good at least. But it moves him into melee range for it's lengthy as shit recovery which means Gabriel Unlimited and Iseria just kill you for your trouble.
He's incredibly slow and most of his KMs have a shitload of endlag. Stunlocking is also harder to do now so a lot of enemies can just move out of the way of them now. Then you got the buffs they did with Dias, Precis, Ernest and all of the mages and he just falls behind once you hit the post game.
all his top tier special moves got nerfed. No more sword dance stun spam for example
>Yet Claude can still get Aeterna/Eternal Sphere a few hours into the game and just auto everything down
What the absolute fuck. But buffs to Dias and Precis sound fun.
What Assaults are you guys running for your spellcasters? I've got Southern Cross for Celine and Ravenous Beasts for Leon, but there's probably better choices.
(sometimes) Knuckle Burst, (mostly)Sword Bomber, (and if your defense and damage are high enough) Mirror slice
If in doubt, you can just phase gun. But phase gun misses some flying enemies.
Knuckle Burst and sword bomber if he's got bunny shoes will generally keep him out of harms way so you don't have to worry about him getting gangbanged in a pincer.
Is there anything left to do after I've beaten the twin angels battle event at Fun City? Is this cool reward the end of the game, with nothing to fight with it? I'm assuming I'm done with everything, but I have a desire to keep playing, and nothing to direct it at.
He had the fastest attack speed so he could spam them with an op weapon (until the PSP version and onwards when they gave everyone normal attack strings)
I think the funniest thing about Haniel is that he needed the least adjustments to make cooler out of his concept.
Michael was basically redesigned in both Second Evolution and Anamnesis. For the better if you ask me
Almost 50 hours over the past week. I could have gotten further faster but I was trying to enjoy myself a little in the and not speed to the end too quickly I have enough people with health stealing items now to run a full bloody armor team. Should be pretty smooth sailing on into the CoT.
How much sleep have you guys lost over the past week?
Played it for the first time ever, took me around 32 hours on Universe to get to the ending, only thing I looked up was how the character recruitments worked because I wanted Opera and Chisato
Now I'm debating whether I'll go through the postgame, NG+ the Rena route for Dias or play Star Ocean 6
Are they going to remake 1 like this too?
If they do, I'm going to lose my shit, as I've just started playing through 1 this week to prepare for 2 and decide if I really want to get it.
They need to make the ending better tho.
The ending is the same no matter your Friendship and Romance levels with your party. It sucked.
Hopefully.
Do relationship levels affect story cutscenes or only the endings? (Will the game always treat Claude Rena as the canon option in main scenes?)
Anyone?
It won't
They affect story cutscenes in a few cases.
The only two I can think of are who appears in the field of love cutscene and who you spend a night on the beach with before the final dungeon.
>tfw no Precis gf
>right in front of Rena
Why?
It's specifically a PA where Claude can choose Rena, Percis or play it off. If you pick one the other gets negative points. It's basically
>you want space elf pussy or the cheeky brat
I want both. I mean Claude could have easily banged both of them in canon since they both come to Earth with him.
Claude wouldn't do his dragonbro wrong like that would he?
Precis is for Ashton tho
Lot of games recently that let me fuck elves.
God bless.
>my screen just looks like this the entire time
>Noel
Woah
It's funny that they doubled down on the cluster fuck of arts spam. I can't wait to see how ridiculous Iseria queen is going to be.
When SO5 did this everybody shat on it
But hey it's okay if SO2 does it, right?
Fucking double standard idiots.
Well, good game is good and bad game is bad so yeah, that kind of is how it works.
Sorry, nerd.
It is not okay.
also 5 deserves it.
No, it's easily the worst part of the new combat system. Second would be the shitty party AI.
2 has faster, snappier combat and happens with 2D sprites. 5 is a much later fully 3D game where there's no excuse.
from my understanding, SO5 has 7 people in battle at once.
SO2R only has 4
So2's camera doesn't actively fight me.
You're not 7 on te field in so2.
OVERTHROW ALL THE ENEMIES
DEYAAAAAH!
Is Music the only speciality which has unique thing at every level?
>Music has unique thing at every level
Huh. Do you get to choose what level to use it at or do you have to be super careful when leveling it up to not accidentally go past the thing you wanted?
Keep 3 characters at level 7,8, and 9 then level everyone else up to 10.
Well that's stupid.
You leveled up to 10 and missed the dragon tyrant, didnt you?
Nah, I haven't even started playing yet. But that's still stupid, I wanted to max out everything on everyone.
You don't need to stiffle music levels anymore as devil's aria is selectable on what level you want to use.
Iseria is simultaneously pretty bad but also not as bad. To explain when you do have her locked down yes it's a clusterfuck, however she isn't locked down nearly as much as vanilla so2 and breaks out pretty often.
I didn't use it much, but don't you just get to compose 2 songs per instrument, which you then have unlocked and can use whenever?
Skill level only seems to affect chances of it working, not if a song is available
The silver trumpet will give you a song that summons bosses. But the boss you summon is tied to the level of your music. If you play the song at level 10 you will always summon the queen but if you play the song at level 8 you will always summon the dragon tyrant
>Already levelled everyone to 8
CheatEngine table when?
Level 8 is the only semi important one since people used dragon tyrant to powerlevel.
You can select which level to play Devil's Aria at now.
Puffy should be recruitable.
Okay Bloody Helm cheese with mp drain is pretty fun
This is a lie by the way. The voice setting only affects your party members (and not Welch), all the NPCs only have one voice that plays regardless of setting.
>flame sword expensive as fuck
>effortlessly create one fusing a cheap sword with a ruby created through alchemy
It feels like there are two games in one here. A regular jrpg and the "have fun experimenting with the IC" jrpg
>A regular jrpg and the "have fun experimenting with the IC" jrpg
So this is secretly an Atelier spin-off? I'm in.
Craft until you're a god
Then you can play the game
Yeah pretty much, and it feels like the standard difficulty is balanced around playing it like a regular JRPG while Universe is balanced around using IC shenanigans
The "party making comments in world map and dungeons" new feature is pretty neat but the text goes away too fast. I'm playing in japanese and I can understand everything but sometimes the text goes away before I finish reading it.
Skill issue I guess
I feel it also goes away too fast.
Playing in English it continues far too slowly and you sit there waiting for the entire conversation to play out before entering a town or fighting an enemy or something very often.
Incompressible spell and arts spam is peak Star Ocean, if your game isn't a cacophony of people yelling out the same move over and over it's not Star Ocean.
People will get mad but you don't play star ocean for the combat which is only serviceable. If you want action you play Tales or YS
>Tales or Ys
Not anymore.
Speak for yourself.
>Tales
is this nigga joking?
Combat is the one thing Tales has going for it. Arise combat sucked but we aren't zoomers who only play [latest thing], right?
>Arise combat sucked
and so did the Fujobait shit game, and the prequel to thr Fujoshit game... how far back we going til it was 'good'?
>Tales
Died after graces when the teams merged
>Ys
Ys hasn't been pure action focused in over 10 years.
Ys combat has been ass for over a decade.
So has Tales. The last good one was Graces.
>Graces
Xillia 2 was better than Graces.
Only if you play Ludger
I used to like Falcom games but after playing Cold Steel 1 then dropping 2? Never again.
>If you want action you play Tales or YS
Fuck no. When I want party based action, I play Dragon's Dogma.
>Dragon's Dogma.
I FUCKING LOVE TO FIGHT GOLEMS WITH MAGES IN THE PARTY!
You say that, but on the other hand I will never forget fighting a golem as a mage. There's not THAT many games that have moments (and phrases) as deeply ingrained in my memory as DD does.
Nah, I like the game. I'm playing it right now.
Also about golem. I'm playing as dagger user so I need to unequip them during the fights. At least I have a bow. Punching the shit our of big dumb rock is really memorable
>unequip weapon
>begin punching discs
That was one of the most fun moments in the game for me.
HELL YEAH MOTHERFUCKER
>or YS
Man I remember reading a post like this and I played every single last one of those games. Weren't even on sale, forked over 300 bucks in total just so I could know what I was missing in regards to gameplay
The answer was
"not much"
have a nice day holy fucking shit
>All these replies
Well, people did get mad I guess
METEOR PALM
FALL! FALL!
OH THE ALMIGHTY TRIA
AUGH
THAT'S GONNA HURT
VICTORY VICTORY VICTORY VICTORY
AIR SLASH
ILLUSION
Fayt from 3 cracks me up
>"Burning...Sword!"
>>fire sword
>"Ice Blade"
>>ice sword
>"Blinding bolt of lightning, grant my sword the power! TO STRIKE DOWN EVIL!!!"
sword
No goddamn reason for him to cite an entire verse before lightning sword but fuck it they did it anyway
Fayt IS a teenager tbf
DIMENSION... DOOR!
Maybe they wanted to compare it to Tales' Indignation:
>COME FORTH, DIVINE LIGHTNING - THIS ENDS NOW! INDIGNATION
Why does Rena keep scratching her ass all the time?
have you ever seen her bathe? I haven't.
Maybe her but hurts?
Denuvo? No pirate or no buy.
Just emulate the Switch version, I doubt this will ever get cracked
QUESTION FOR EXPERTS
What do you guys recommend? Ashton or Opera + Ernest? I really like ashton's design
If you're playing it for the first time just pick whatever you like.
Pick who you like. They all have their own stories and side stuff you won't see if you don't pick them and combat wise it really doesn't matter much in the long run.
If you ever want to do another playthrough with the other protagonist you can just grab the other members to see their stuff then.
>jrpg protag shows any interest in sex
>party members: HAHA LOOK AT THIS FUCKING PERVERT
why are they all like this
how do you make mages stop casting stupid bullshit on the first frame of a fight?
Im fighting some magical bullshit and I want to get my reflect up. its like if you miss that first cycle you are so boned
Put them on the Evade Strategy and cast all their spells manually.
Nearing the end, should I continue on to postgame or do NG+? I have Precis, Opera, Ern, Chisato, Dias, and Celine right now.
Are there difficulties higher than Universe you can unlock by the way?
Haven't beaten it yet but in the original, you unlock universe after beating the game. I'm guessing you'll unlock chaos difficulty in this game instead.
i tried gabriel with limiter off
barely dented his health bar
Jesus Christ, nobody fucking tested Precis' postgame weapon for balancing.
No fucking wonder Expel got accepted into the Pangalactic Federation less than a decade after the events of SO2. Crazy bitch makes absolutely insane weapons of mass destruction.
The shit Precis and her dad built is kinda crazy when you think about it.
They live in a medieval society and reverse engineered robots and developed full fledged AI from some satellite debris they found in the mountains.
> full fledged AI
I don't think any of Precis' handiwork (at least in the timeframe of the events of SO2 itself) had stuff that operated on AI.
At best, when acting autonomously, her machines were wind-up toys that just ran around with no clear direction. Elaborate and extremely destructive wind-up toys yes, but not really indicative of even the most basic of AI.
Yeah, it's all remote controlled, not AI.
She is always holding a gamepad, or PSP in the PSP version, that she moves Robbie with.
people treat Leon like a genius for slapping a highly powered magical stone into a magical cannon and making big explosions with an entire kingdom's worth of support behind him while Precis casually speedran through 500 years of human scientific progress before she even hit 18
>Permanent x2 Skill Damage
>At the cost of x2 MP consumption
>But you can spill over the cost into consuming HP if there's no more MP
>In a game where "20% of damage is absorbed into HP" is an easily acquirable upgrade for all Weapons
What the fuck were they thinking?
I'll tell you what. They were thinking about MAXIMUM FUN.
After getting this weapon, all my fights have essentially went like:
>BARRIYAH
>BA
>BARI
>BARIYAH
>BARRI
>BARIYAAAAH
Also, Berserker Ring.
What does Rage even do?
The game gives you a ton of tutorials for the dumbest shit but not that.
I may be wrong, but I believe it's either a +100% or +200% ATK boost. It's the effect you get when one of your characters gets killed, then another (high affinity) gets an aura and does a shit ton more damage. With the 'zerker ring, you get the effect but not the aura or status effect. Now from what I've read, you can equip the ring, have someone die and actually GET the buff aura and it adds another +100% damage or some shit.
TL;DR: more damage
Based as fuck.
Welch went off with Ashton to exorcise the dragons so she could bone him finally and keep them as pets
Precis and Chisato became lesbo reporters on Expel
And of course Claude and Rena had a kid, but I think the ending with him always being away for months is kinda shit. Military marriages really don't work well and there's nearly always a Jody in the ones that 'do work'.
>like 5 hours in
>haven't even done Krosse Cave yet
>steal old man's gamebreaking box at 13% second try
>trying to steal this guy's meteor ring also at 13%, dozens of fails
Feels like that box is rigged since it's a meme
And I got it immediately after posting
Complaining about RNG always works at getting RNG in your favor
With NG+, can I redo the arena fights for their original rewards, or am I stuck with one Winged Bracelet?
Can I ever go back to do the arena stuff in Lacouer or did I miss out on those rewards permanently?
Just got to the 2nd planet and forgot about it completely...
You can but it's going to take a while.
So I didn't miss out on anything permanently then, great
That's all I needed to know. Thanks
In the bandit forest did anyone else just have the line about mudboots loop over and over after every fight?
It's because you didn't let the entire conversation play out, so it restarts every time you come out of combat so you don't miss out on it
But if you accidentally talk to an NPC just as a dialogue is coming up, that dialogue disappears.
just started the game, did the treasure hunt with the wizard woman. should I turn the difficulty up? I'm bulldozing every encounter pretty easily. I've also never played this before
Yes. Stick with Universe and heavily engage with IC. If it stops being fun just swap back to Galaxy and swap back when it gets too easy and stops being fun.
ok cool thanks, I'm outta here before I get spoiled on anything
Sure, you can just turn it down when it gets too hard.
You should absolutely play on Universe, yeah.
It's REALLY easy to completely break the game in half on the lower difficulties without even intending to. Any kind of using Specialties/Item Creation will make the game a cakewalk.
Universe will at least offer "some" resistance to that. Although going overboard with IC will still make it pretty easy too.
Got the Plat, gonna start SO3 in a bit. Wish me luck.
SPHERE OF MIGHT
>MP DEATH
Sphere of might uses HP
He's still gonna die from MP death though
Took me 200 something hours to plat 3. It's not a beast like 4 but it's still a time investment. Hope you don't hate the game
>plat
Only 200 hours for every goddamn battle trophy? That's impressive Anon.
>every battle trophy
Nah game only asks you 80% of them but I got a little bit more than that. Getting 100% is insane I wouldn't want to damage my console leaving it on overnight multiple times with a turbo controller
How do I unlock originality? Celine and Kurodo both got it but Rena still hasn't
Crafting, make soem iron shit until it unlocks
Has anyone ripped the original character art out yet?
They need to make the original English dub unlockable somehow. I need Ernest's original voice.
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Just use AI and mod the game. There's zero chance they're going to ever get the original dub cast.
Someone really just downloaded that video from my channel and uploaded it to their own.
Who are the best characters for pure gameplay?
Welch, Opera, Precis, the mages are good now as well.
Is Ernest still bottom barrel trash?
I hear he's pretty decent now since his animations got sped up and his moves multi hit now.
No he's strong now. Only Ashton sucks
WHY THE FUCK DOESNT SWORD DANCE STAGGER ANYTHING WHAT WERE THEY THINKING
>mages are good
The fighters still outclass them, but they won't be absolute dead weight now. They're still best used as Assault supports.
Assaults don't break the damage cap so it handicaps mages more than the multihit break moves of physicals imo
Post more Rena
What doujin?
Official manga.
She had an opportunity to nibble on her ears and didn’t.
What an idiot.
how do I stop the party AI from being passive and only casting spells?
Best girl for sex and marriage?
Rena
I think I'm gonna play the og on Duckstation. I never played it and I prefer the prerendered backgrounds. Am I going to miss anything substantial?
You will absolutely miss a ton of PAs because you won't feel like walking all the way back across the map just for a quick missable event when in the remake there's quick travel
And item creations and skills being way slower to obtain/use
You're going to miss PA, party members, the entire skill and IC system, sidequest, and others unless you don't have a guide open the entire time you're playing.
The remake has fast travel, so you won't have to run across the entire world for an hour to see a 2 minute long scene in early game towns every time something in the story happens.
That alone makes the remake a HUGE upgrade. If you play the original you will most likely just not bother with all those little scenes that are out of the way, hell you won't even find them without a guide, and those are some of the best parts of the game
>I prefer the prerendered backgrounds
Have fun searching for hidden screens.
travelling for the PAs, with no clue as to wether or not they actually are availlable.
A long time to get all the skill, plus more farming since you have to buy the packs.
At first i didn't like the new backgrounds, but they've grown on me. Plus all the QoL are really worth it.
I still cry like a little bitch in the whole 700 hundred million yo space elf pussy part
Everyone you've ever known including your family has been dead for over a millennia, also everyone you knew on expel is dead too.
Rena gets mogged so hard in her story.
Can you recruit Opera without Ernest?
I like her but can't stand him.
I want to do like Celine, Precis, Opera, Welch, Dias, Chisato, is that possible now?
I think if I remember right Ernest would always join automatically if you have Opera in the PSP version
Yes, don't do the PA in the sacred forest when you get her.
>Allen had a character portrait in the psp version
weird
good morning sirs
gonna make a coffee and start the Cave of trials.
Got any helpful tips for a new player? Not looking for anything ground breaking, just useful tidbits or stuff you wish you'd known about before playing.
Yeah. Don’t post frogs, dumb frogposter.
These are very helpful, thanks
Play on Universe.
There's a skill that reduces the cost of learning every other skill, good idea to get that first.
Maybe look up what party members you want and how to get them since there's quite a few choices and some are mutually exclusive.
Unless you want to break the game in half and steamroll everything maybe don't use the Super Speciality the game straight up tells you is akin to cheating and will ruin the experience.
Just be yourself. The remame makes it easy to get all the optional events and stuff so just play the video game as you like.
I’ve heard this game is somewhat similar to Tales in terms of battle gameplay.
If I like Shmphonia will I kinda like this? I’m aware it’s different in a lot of autistic ways but that interests me even more.
Can I romance the the haired elf? Does this game even have a romance system?
The battle is similar with the first 2 tales games made, that's it. It's a lot more simple compared to the combo autism tales turned into. On the otherhand it's a lot more complex in the RPG side compared to tales.
There's romance in the way that you have events where you pick choices that will affect character affection with each other like a visual novel. But most of the romance is isolated to those events and the ending. The main story is going to continue as is and not going to change according to the affection levels.
Symphonia continues to be the weird outlier of romance affecting a few things.
Anyways neat. Bought the game.
If I play claude can I still get rena in the party?
To be honest it's not that big of a difference with symphonia. Iirc there's only 1 scene in symphonia that changes depending on affection and everything else is pretty much the same.
>If I play claude can I still get rena in the party?
Yeah, what you don't get is a party member. Each protagonist have their own exclusive party member that only they can recruit.
That’s fine. Thanks anon.
And yeah the scenes in Symphony that change are like 2 conversation scenes, whoever Mythos steals, and whoever shows up in the ending.
That being said Sheena best girl.
>If I play claude can I still get rena in the party?
They literally are inseparable (storywise at least. If you have a 5+ party roster, you can swap one of them out the active party).
Claude and Rena effectively follow the same adventure, but the difference is from whose perspective it's told through. And well, there are a handful of events unique to depending on who you play as.
Yes. You can play as them in combat and run around the field with them too.
That choice is for whose perspective you get during the story as far as narrative goes. There's a handful of times where the party is separated where you won't have access to her, but for 99% of the game you do.
If you have no preference most people usually agree picking Claude is the better/ more interesting experience for a first playthrough
Claude's space stuff is just a lot cooler than the maiden in love and Dias stuff Rena has in the first half of the game. Second half of the game I think Rena's perspective gets much more interesting though so it evens out overall
>only been able to play 2 hours
>anons have already out 50hrs+
What's with Ernest and Opera being hotter than literally every other party member
They're adults and you're not a pedo
Bowman > Ernest
>not getting both
My headcanon is they're best friends.
Gonna start a Rena playthrough and since I got Precis last time I'll be picking up Bowman but holy shit. Who is gonna do that kind of big dick damage that Precis does?
Bowman
Does Bowman get an OP as fuck weapon like Precis does?
Leaving the continent ks a big difficulty spike on universe. I can kill the enemies and dodge their attacks but the girls are just dying because the AI is retarded.
Guess I need to change the order so they focus on dodging?
You need to rush to the bottom town and get Precis and it smooths out again.
You should be able to make a Chameleon Rod for Celine soon, with that equipped enemies should leave her mostly alone
>Star Ocean 2 R
What does the R stand for?
Rigger
Rena
remake
Must of sold out quick on the PS4 at ebgames.com.au fuck. Only has PS5 version. Oy Vey
>change party leader
>you can run around as someone besides Claude and Rena
so many JRPGs would be improved by this feature
Playing this made me realize that all I really need to be happy with a JRPG is a world map to run around and explore
Open world and interconnected maps are both soulless in comparison
Why aren't Opera and Ernest captured and executed for their crimes against 3rd world shithole planets?
They are outlaws hanging out in the intergalactic space equivalent of a tiny African Village built out of mud where everyone still uses rocks as tools, who would do the capturing
I don't think they're even a part of the federation. They don't give a fuck about UP3.
Does ANYONE actually care about the UP3?
Are there any mods to replace the conversation art with the other art? I hate the nu-style it makes the girls look like dudes
There is no other art for those scenes.
Portraits weren't a thing before this remake.
If it annoys you you can just turn them off entirely for the original and PSP experience.
>PSP experience.
nagger, the portraits were also there in the PSP version.
In fact, the PSP version had even /more/ portraits for one off NPCs.
>bowman
>literally just some guy
>beats up villains with martial arts, saves the universe, unravels the secrets of the universe
>goes back to his small backwater town in his small backwater planet to fuck his wife
This is incredible based and something I like that happens that never happens.
The perfect hero.
ok whats the deal with this final boss
he makes a stupid purple ring and your entire team dies, wtf. how do I know when to pull my team out. I can heal between his nukes but I fucking hate reviving my entire team
is it some kind of physical attack and guard applies to it? im assuming it counts as magic damage even though its a """spell""" and not symbology???
Is there any good merch around this release? I know there's the square enix cafe, but most of that looks like garbage. Where are the figures?
Bowman's portrait looks off to me, like one side of his face is paralyzed
It probably is
>Squeenix localizations
Nothing was changed or censored other than alcoholic item names
They essentially re-used the PSP game localization, so it's a Square localization from like 2009
>tfw twin slash is my favorite move but it doesn't hold up in this version
I wish I could use it all game but enemies with guard up tank the hits and interrupt it and the move takes some time to finish for just 4 hits and you want to hit harder and faster when enemies are staggered
Cute wife and husband
i dont like lettuce
>If I want Opera, Ernest and Welch in my party I can't recruit neither 2 last characters
Should I just give up on Celice in the next playthrough if I want both of them?
If I were you, I would skip Welch. Welch learns a killer move from Precis, who in turn learns one from Ashton, but if you're getting Opera you can't get him.
I thought about getting Welch in both playthroughs. And I don't really care about cheesing the game so much. But from what I saw Perice has good interactions with Claude. And I'm not sure there is anything interesting between her and Rena.
Super hologram fucking sucks, so it doesn’t matter if you don’t recruit Ashton
I was wondering, cause I want Precis, but not necessarily Ashton. Sucks missing out a move, but if it's not that good anyways then I don't care
Ashton is the canon join, same as Precis. But he does suck now in combat so only really bother picking him up if you care about that and/or want Precis to be slightly better.
How do the book royalties work in this? Just sell the books to the guy at the entrance of lacou and collect later talking to himr?
I believe so. I think profits generate every ~1 hour of gameplay.
It's hard to find the balance of wanting to break the game a bit but hot too much.
Just the rewards from doing random challenges give you way too much so I think I will mostly ignore them until the post game
Visuals are dogshit (other than the character art) but the game is fun enough so I don't care that much.
Cute husband and wife
Sex with cat boys
Uooh shorts erotic
God I want to doubleteam him with Noel and pet his ears
>Never got Opera in SO2 regular because she wasn't directly offered and I was a dumb kid.
>Still not sure if I missed her this time.
Just started and got to Krosse, and I believe Ernest ran by me and Claude freaked out about a 3 eyed man. I hear Ashton sucks this time so I'm definitely aiming to get her. Did I fuck up?
Opera becomes available after the tournament.
Once you go to Harley and the old guy tells you about the dragon do not go back to the mine.
Claude's mom
Imagine the alchohol smell.
Roddick hit that
They don't call him Rod-Dick for nothing!
Actually Rode-Dick sounds gay more than anything.
Magic asses
hgnnnn
Precis, Welch and Chisato
I don’t know what kind of ZR this is but it’s erotic.
I want to bite her cute ears
God I love ZR and skirts so much.
What's a ZR?
Zettai Ryouiki aka "absolute territory"
a term that's been around for decades and refers to girls wearing stockings/socks that stop before their skirt. That thigh area is what's being referenced. For some reason it's a lot sexier than no socks or skirt, like it's amplifying the thighs.
ZeroRanger, a game near and dear to my heart.
But no, really though, this
anon is right.
l2ybp
isnt this the game franchise that fucked itself up by making the 3rd game "it was all a simulation/dream therefore none of it matters?"
yes and reinforces that shitty plot twist in future entries, and remakes, with the existence of Welch
Help me decide whether to get it on the Switch or on PC.
PC undeniably looks much nicer and the load times are better - though not by that much, honestly. But it's denuvo'd, which is a shitty practice that I wouldn't want to support.
Main pros of the Switch version are being able to get a physical copy (and allegedly the full game is on the cart, extra download is just for the language packs) and playing portably - I'm playing though 1 in bed right now and it's very comfy.
Side question about 1 - I'm getting Cyuss+Phia+Pericci, would Welch or T'nique fit the remaining slot better?
You can pirate the switch version. 2w4vw
Not this time.
Yeah but it's not really a game you need 4k or even 1080p60 for, and the loading times really aren't that bad - I've compared them with PC side-by-side.
>Side question about 1
I know it's a 2R thread but it's not like there's a Star Ocean general or anything.
I'm playing on emul and appearing trees or parts of the buildings sometimes in front of you are trully annoying. Also 60fps is nice and I guess 120FPS are even better
Switch runs like shit, 720p, 30fps and longest loading times
only a retard would play this on a Switch
>I'm getting Cyuss+Phia+Pericci
are you trolling or are you not aware that this is Star Ocean 2 remake?
Motherfucker he literally says
>Side question about 1 -
that you cut out in the quote.
have a nice day you disingenuous homosexual.
Thanks for calling out that guy after I already did it myself, but back to the question, T'nique or Welch? I'm leaning towards Welch myself but I'm not too sure.
>disingenuous
reddit word, your post is invalid
>this commonly used old-ass English word seen as early as 1655 is now a reddit word because I said so
>quoting google
reddit moment
Not him and he's wrong about the actual argument, but it's definitely a reddit word part of the "I think I'm a scientist lawyer philosopher" internet arguing kit.
You're pretty familiar with reddit terminology. Maybe you'd be more comfortable going the fuck back.
Go back.
You have no counter argument because you know I'm right.
Fuck off and have a nice day you disingeunous homosexual.
Nah fuck off with your psued nonsense.
I see someone being a homosexual thats intentionally misrepresenting the post he's quoting, I'm going to call him out on it. Those kinds of posts have absolutely ruined this website over the lalf a decade and idiots like you do nothing but encourage them to keep doing it.
>Nah fuck off with your psued nonsense.
The only pseud nonsense is redditors pretending to be masters of internet debate by using words and phrases lawyers typically use in court to try to sound smart.
>Those kinds of posts have absolutely ruined this website over the lalf a decade and idiots like you do nothing but encourage them to keep doing it.
No, newfag. What ruined this site was the absolutely fucking massive influx of redditors in 2011-2012. I'm guessing that's when you showed up, and you bitch about 2016 immigrants being what ruined it.
>reddit spacing
only a redditor would be this assmad to write a fucking paragraph of how he isnt a redditor
I like to buy for Switch and pirate for PC.
GOD fucking damn, i regret not getting the Collectors edition when i could, now its scalped
See if you can import the japanese edition. That one has english too.
I've tried different versions of this over the years and I always quit after the first dungeon (not the mansion, some sort of cave?) because it's a long maze and they expect you to backtrack all the way to the exit yourself once you accomplish your objective. Is this version any different? are there items that teleport you outside of dungeons? do dungeons themselves have maps now?
You can fast travel, even in dungeons. Also the dungrons are all redesigned to be 3d environments on a single map
>Is this version any different? are there items that teleport you outside of dungeons?
They added fast travel in the remake. Though I don't know if it lets you teleport to the entrance. There is cut-scene in the entrance so it might be disabled
>Allen's rape dungeon in the mine
First dungeon. You literally just go until you bust the boss' gorilla balls, then Claude says 'boy am I glad I didn't pick to be you and have to do a wriggle in chains minigame versus tentacles! Your mom must be worried sick, let's go back home' and you're instantly out. This is what it is for SO2R at least.
Thinking of buying. when does it get good?
Gets good once you get past the opening exposition and the first dungeon. Once you head to Krosse kingdom is when it really picks up.
When you open skills and specialities
This game has way the fuck too many options and I guarantee that there's not enough skill points to master all crafts. How do I avoid picking the wrong thing? What do I get?
>I guarantee that there's not enough skill points to master all crafts
haha yeah about that...
>not enough skill points to master them all. Besides the fact that the max level is 255, you get skill points just for doing random battles now, retard
max out the skill that reduces the skill point costs for all skills
Turn on Enlightenment. Fol is way too easy to come by anyways.
???
It's an IC skill. You enable it and every battle you win gives bonus BP/SP at the cost of a bit of Fol. But the sacrifice doesn't really matter because fol is super easy to acquire.
>IC skill
It's actually super speciality
Is it crafting shenanigans or NEW EXPEL PRO FISHING? What makes bank?
You can make bank any eay you want really.
>fishing
>publishing
>challenges
>contraband
>crafting and selling
They all work
You learn the Determination, Resilience, and effort skills to learn the Training speciality (increases exp gains for lowered stats in battle)
Learn Herbal Medicine and Patience to get the Survival speciality
Once your party collectively has high enough levels in both, you will get the Enlightenment super speciality, which increases the amount of skill points and BP you get, but decreases the amount of money you get
>Enlightenment doesn't turn your characters into cripples this game
Holy fucking shit
Don't be me and put one point in everything and brick your game on Universe mode
Does anyone know the artist?
https://twitter.com/kajimoto_y
This is the guy in charge of the art for the remake
Thank you bro!
damn he so good
I like a lot of his dynamic poses but the portrait art that you see the most ingame is the weakest. Rena has this weird 1000 yard stare and doesn't look as cute.
Dis he also do SO6's art?
>SO6's art
Different guy. Akiman.
>cuckshit in the beginning
Dropped
Its a square enix game what else were you expecting?
>Cuck shit
Silly zoomies, this is a 90's gag. Lots of female centric romantic comedies in that era had endings where someone would rush into a wedding and try to get it to stop. You don't see that kind of ending these days, probably because it was done to death in the '90s.
Thank God SO6 had no annoying shota or e-boi party members
why do blacks always have based taste in videogames?
>34.5 hours
>0 achievements
Explain yourself
Steam deck chads always play in offline mode
Anon please...
That's just HLTB data.
Can this bitch handle one fucking cutscene without having a damned woman moment?
Impregnate her and she’ll stop.
Breed it out of her. Between the ZR and the skirt, she's begging for it. Damned space elf
Damn space elves need breeding
I'll give her my beacon of hope alright.
What is Universe mode? Jist hard mode?
Yes. According on anons it's balanced around IC
What is IC?
Item creation
Pretty much. Its the mode designed for people who like breaking SO2 in half
I don't trust nu-SE
SE is just the published, the team that did the remaster are chads
SE didn't make this. It was outsourced to another dev. All they did was give them the SO IP and published it
The developers of this remake are a japanese studio called Gemdrops Inc.
>Gemdrops Inc. Is a Japanese game company founded by former tri-Ace programmer Yuichiro Kitao, credited as Battle Programmer on Star Ocean 3, Valkyrie Profile, and Valkyrie Profile 2
So did this nigga just want to dab on all the developers releasing lazy ass ports and calling them "remakes" or what? Either way I hope he keeps doing it.
Oh shit. They were the ones behind COGEN.
Fun game. Really good spritework too. Would it have killed them to get the same dude that did the spritework here to at least give his personal attempt at adapting the SO2 sprites into a more modern style? I feel like the chibi style was holding them back. And hell, just looking at Raymond and Lettuce's Assault Support animations, you can easily see that they were an effort above the rest in terms of spritework.
Did they add more stuff to the endings and the romance or is it the same thing?
idk but there are 99 endings so how many more do you need?
The spritework is absolute dogshit. Wow
where can I download the nsp or xci
The usual place.
oh yeah, but I forgot what it was called
https://pastebin.com/p1wBwt8K
the whole town was destroyed by earthquake
I hope there wasn't anything important
did you see a AP with a girl warning the town?
Yes. But I thought it was going to be destroyed by monster.
Also little girl who became a friend of a rich kid died. Sad
Celine said she needs to visit her home town to decipher the text
Game makes you go into port town
after the town was destroyed you finally visit Celine hometown
Seems like they fucked up sequence. Was that the same in original?
There are several points where you need to go somewhere but the story wants you to stop somewhere else first and the sequence of events doesn't make sense.
I'm assuming if you don't recruit her they won't plan to go that way until they have no choice
It works the same way as the original. Also this is correct
.
The way I interpreted that part if you recruit celine is that she just decided to tag along anywhere for the sorcery globe but got "lucky" and things went her way anyways.
Do you still have to equip those skills that make you move slow as fuck in combat so you get more points when you level up?
Why is there so much porn of rena getting graped by tentacles?
the lack of high quality manga porn is upsetting
SO2 girls are top tier
>Look up doujins
>Leon x Claude, Shotacon yaoi bullshit instead of Chisato being a plump busty hag getting 'interviewed' in her ass
I've seen enough and hate it. HATE IT
The fact that one of the few doujins this game has is made by the official artist and is mostly gay it's so funny
DIAS-SAMA! I'M SO WET DOWN THERE!
Ok Claude
t. Rena to Claude
>search sad panda for SO2
>nothing good comes up
such a shame, maybe the popularity of SO2R will motivate some artists?
There's some good stuff with Leon
i just want a high quality Precis x Ashton
Yeah those Claude and Leon fics have been prime jerk material but I'd prefer some schmaltzy romance with Claude breeding Rena mating press style.
So even with max gear, level and factor customized gear, are you telling me the Celestial Arena battle and Gabriel Unlimited still one shot you?
>first meeting of Rena and Dias
This is just emberassing to watch. I guess NTR memes rotted my brain.
>Claude, stop talking to other women!
>Claude, is that another girl for our party?!
>Claude, how could you just leave without thinking about how that made me feel?!
>Okay, I'm going to leave to go help Dias find a sword to beat you and then miss your first match
It's not NTR so much as it's Rena being peak woman moment: the character.
I plant to get Opera but I went to the dragon mine just to collect chests and add enemies to the book but stopped right at the save point, never engaging with Ashton.
Does that mess up Opera's quest?
No. You can even watch the cutscene with ashton and deny him. Just don't go back down there or he will force his way into your party. Opera can still join
Denying him is such a dickhole move lol.
The party literally goes "yikes! *runs*"
I think Ashton's PA doesn't have time limit
Anything I should know about 6 before going in? Figure asking here is the most active place currently
It starts a bit slow. You want one point of No Guard at the start of the game, there's a certain boss fight that's fucking annoying without it. Besides that, don't be afraid to swap characters. Character swapping is the best way to get longer combos.
Learn to use duma guard immediately or the worm boss will filter you. It's also the easiest way to gain AP until you get nina.
Get comfortable with using blindside. You need to time it with enemy attacks for it to trigger.
Both of MCs are very strong
>Claude's pathetic jealousy and getting depressed any time he loses to another guy
>Rena's woman moment one after the other
Who says jrpgs don't have realistic writing?
>Can't understand normal behavior due to autism filter
It's just kids being kids.
>Claude's pathetic jealousy
nagger what? Claude thinks Dias is cool and wants to keep fighting him as a rival.
>I’m going to see Dias
>RENA!
Are you trying to frame her sulking and then leaving the party to help Claude's opponent and then missing Claude's match as her simply going to see Dias?
No. I didn’t get there. I’m talking about when they met Dias in Celine’s hometown
Nigga the kind of stupid shit I did to get my highschool sweetheart to pay attention. Fuck me I remember the cringey shit we did to each other before we started dating in highschool
>"I would totally go out with you if you were religious"
>"you're not going to let him talk to me like that"
>"Hey dude she's totally hitting on him"
Fuck me, the autism displayed during the tournament arc hits uncomfortably too close to home.
>Claude thinks Dias is so chadly that in SO2EX, he basically steals 80% of his techniques from watching Dias
Yeah ok
I'm kind of at a loss what to do for this double arena battle with the angels that isn't "abuse bloody equipment". Both bosses before were barely doable but opera is my main breaker and one of them absorbs blackhole because blackhole is darkness damage, and the other absorbs my other move hyperlauncher lol. Don't think chisato+claude can get a break on their own.
Use welch for breaking?
What's the entirety of your party? I was literally just in the midst of recodring another clear without using bloody armor. I've done it with every combination of these characters and figured I'd do one more run with the team I beat it the first time with for the recording.
Actually I did record it but only the last 3 fucking minutes because I looked down when one died and realized I didn't start the recording
Anyways basically you and your team are going to die a lot
There's no way to avoid that. The way to die the least amount of time is to AVD max stack on everybody
The other secret are evades, you can evade the beyblade, you can evade the discs, you can evade the melee attacks, and each one (besides when they're beyblading) if you've maxed all your battle skills is basically 2 free shields down. You only need two
If you've got welch and precis (to learn Mithril fist), welch's mithril fist can knock them out of their spins
If you've got chisato just use tear gass when they stop moving
Celine should be right in the action so she can guarantee damage with meteor, set her to attack nonstop and use all of her MP to tighten her chain casting.
Precis nearly breaks the fight on her own with her special weapon so I kind of bench her. Rena should have the highest/second highest AVD
At least 2 members need star/light damage absorption so meteors don't full wipe you. At 9999 HP you can use holy mist to soak through it halfway into it's damage application
TL;DR
>dodge more
Unfortunately I went with ps1 wisdom and went with claude opera chisato bowman (who later got benched for leon)
This is one of those games that is causing me "choice freeze". Idk what to put my fucking points into, tons of choices and then the game tells me I need to be careful cause choices all combine into super choices that involve more than 1 char, so I'm just gonna end up dropping it
Are stats gains random or fixed from leveling in this remake?
What's the best team for universe mode without cheesing bloody armour?
Honestly anything should work. I'm hesitant to say "including Ashton" because he fell off hard in CoT and his ultimate weapon is kinda shitty.
You don't have to use it.
Yeah you don't but you can argue easily that all Maze of Tribulations gear is irrelevant when you are invulnerable to everything. I don't mind Battle Suits since it requires some for thought and doesn't make you invincible to everything.
>NOOOO. You can't have a nuanced point! Everything must be black or white!
Lmao, okay anon.
>You can't have a nuanced point
What's you're nuanced point that isn't just you getting mad about balance in a single player game that's literally designed for the player to break the game through systems? Please explain what nuance there is. "I think this is broken but it should be balanced to be a little less broken" is not nuance, it's just you being an idiot.
Please explain how I am mad for making a valid point about Bloody Armour? I think the nuance is obvious, being able to be overpowered is fine for a part of the game but becoming completely invulnerable makes the game pointless. Granted it's player choice, but at least make it a reward for 100 percenting the game or something.
If anything responding 'fuck off' clearly makes you look like the angry one here anon. You can enjoy being overpowered because you're still killable within the game. Being invulnerable is like a cheat code. You literally can't lose.
YOU DONT HAVE TO USE IT RETARD
why are you so butthurt?
Okay, just devolving into 'You're mad' comments to avoid having a legitimate conversation. I'm not gonna bother wasting my time with shit posters who can't at least try and understand my perspective.
>Please explain how I am mad for making a valid point about Bloody Armour?
It's not a valid point. You're an idiot crying about balance in a single player game where there are a million systems for you to use. You decided you like this particular one (that's entirely optional) but don't like just quite how powerful it is so you want that one optioned nerfed so you don't feel like you're cheesing the game even though you still would be because bloody armor doesn't work unless you can out-heal the health drain either way and bosses have a ton of HP making fights long.
>If anything responding 'fuck off' clearly makes you look like the angry one here anon.
Nope. You're just an idiot.
Okay anon here is your (You), don't spend it all at once. Wouldn't want you to seethe any harder than you are now over words on a screen.
>Yeah you don't but you can argue easily that all Maze of Tribulations gear is irrelevant when you are invulnerable to everything.
>Sure you could argue that, but the other side is that you don't have to use it.
>
>It's an option of last resort in the same way that changing the difficulty is. The end outcome should be modulating for fun. I don't find Bloody Armor to be particularly satisfying and as a result it's less fun to engage in so I don't use it.
>Much in the same way that I don't find earth all that hot for somebody like me either.
>
>You can beat all of them without it. They're not all balanced to the same level and 4 of them can be done before you even start on the Maze of Tribulations.
>
>As for how? The way you beat everything else, breaking and killing. On Universe it's more of a gear check "do I have the def (or AVD for 3 of them) to survive a single hit" and if not "do I have the ability that makes me survive with 1 hp if I take damage that can kill me while over 40%)
>
>Nothing in the game requires bloodyarmor
>t. beat maze, gabriel unlimited, Iseria Queen, all raids, and nearly every arena besides double angel at level 130-150 without it.
Fair enough. I'm more thinking of it from a progression point of view, like rewarding the player with Bloody Armour would incentive challenging themselves with the mechanics, like factors, synthesizing other equipment first. I think I'm okay with breaking a game initially but I always want my superbosses to be somewhat challenging.
Granted that's my own perspective. I'm not a complete OP gear purist.
>complain about nuance and pretend you have a point
>get a substantial answer
>go full redditor homosexual mode pretending replies are upvotes because you're angry that you can't come up with an actual reply
Anyone who complains about balance in single player games is a retarded homosexual without fail. Stop being so mad that you rightfully got called an idiot.
>Yeah you don't but you can argue easily that all Maze of Tribulations gear is irrelevant when you are invulnerable to everything.
Sure you could argue that, but the other side is that you don't have to use it.
It's an option of last resort in the same way that changing the difficulty is. The end outcome should be modulating for fun. I don't find Bloody Armor to be particularly satisfying and as a result it's less fun to engage in so I don't use it.
Much in the same way that I don't find earth all that hot for somebody like me either.
You can beat all of them without it. They're not all balanced to the same level and 4 of them can be done before you even start on the Maze of Tribulations.
As for how? The way you beat everything else, breaking and killing. On Universe it's more of a gear check "do I have the def (or AVD for 3 of them) to survive a single hit" and if not "do I have the ability that makes me survive with 1 hp if I take damage that can kill me while over 40%)
Nothing in the game requires bloodyarmor
t. beat maze, gabriel unlimited, Iseria Queen, all raids, and nearly every arena besides double angel at level 130-150 without it.
I had seen someone on YouTube use Rena to sol the one iron Giant boss back on expel in the desert. I figured it involved cheese one way or the other. I can maybe try New game Plus with some remade gear and see if I can beat them then I guess.
That's not necessary.
That boss in particular is a post game boss. After you beat the game you can come back to expel (which is also where the post-game dungeon is. At that time you can do the super bosses there and also the ones you can't reach unless you're in post game)
The reward for doing increasing challenges is gear though. Seraphic Garb in particular is given in relatively small amounts and as rewards for doing the highest content.
The gear you get for doing the double angel superboss is pic related. The game doesn't reward you a single piece of bloody gear for end game content because on top of it's ease of access it's not useful for people trying to play the game using it's mechanics.
Which is why gear progression goes beyond bloody armor in strong "but still" balanced ways.
Pic related has great resistances and a good effect and all but what makes it balanced against the archangels Bracelet is that it buffs exactly 0 stats, as evident by my avoid dropping nearly 100 points on use.
And to be extra frank, if Bloody Armor/helmet were a twin superboss reward it wouldn't be nearly as satisfying as you're using an item that inherently by design trivializes the game to the point of unfun monotony as opposed to one that's fun to build around.
Actually that's a good point that the benefit of the reward still allows you to be strong but enjoy the game within it's mechanics. I never thought about it like that. I suppose Bloody Armour does rob you of that enjoyment which is why I thought it it's dumb to use it and kinda a punishment in of itself. Mechanically it's not that fun to use.
Speaking of which, is AVD really the only way to reliably beat the superbosses without Bloody Armour? Does defence not matter? Like Freya from SO 3
>does defense not matter
Sort of.
The entirety of CoT can be handled with defense stacking. It's what I did. So can Gabriel Unlimited if you just avoid going into melee range of him so he doesn't one shot you with those fucking rings.
Only Iseria queen (and her double fight) go to highs so high that defense can't possibly prevent you from dying. (The golem technically does 2 but his accuracy is through the fucking roof so he's hitting you no matter what)
There's multiple ways to go about that though, resuscitation, and back from the brink add a substantial amount of survivability. As AVD isn't reliable at all, it just gives you a chance of surviving a hit in the way that GUTS stacking used to so you're still rolling the dice.
Really on Rena and 1 frontline need to prioritize avoid. And the rest can build around tanking a single hit, dying, and being revived.
For half of CoT my Chisato had Super Rally, Back from the Brink, and Resuscitation. My Welch was defense stacked so she just powered through attacks and healed back the damage. (and ended up having to solo Gabriella)
Actually since you're here avoid bro can you answer me a question? Was curious if I just got unlucky or if it really doesn't exist, but can you not roll avoid up factor or gathering stars on accessories? Ridiculous number of their respective masterwork base spam never saw either of them
I'm pretty sure you can't roll Avoid on accessories. You can roll gathering stars though. It's the first thing I put on all of mine.
There's also a single accessory that breaks the rule that you're given that has HP drain on it and I'm 90% sure you can never roll that on an accessory yourself
My advice is before you craft, replicate your masterwork fodder
This puts it at the top of the list on the left
Then you simply on have to spam left and accept to fill out the slots.
Oh and Gathering Stars is Special. You probably already know that but just being safe
You can't anymore. CoT is post game only And also that's not how his limiter works anon
Give everybody in your team ranged killer moves. If you get anywhere near him he's going to murder you with his fucking rings.
Claude can spam blaster/sword bomber, dias air slash, Ashton.... nothing don't use him, Precis Forecfield, Chisato Volts, and the mages magic.
He's a bit of a cock though. Those fucking rings.
>My advice is before you craft, replicate your masterwork fodder
>This puts it at the top of the list on the left
I've largely been cheesing it by save scumming my initial stack of 20+other fodder needed then when I run out of other fodder reload. It becomes faster on an SSD to reload than to go re replicate 20 again lol.
Oh no I savescum too. I just mean to make the process like a fraction of a second quicker
I do 5, 5, 5, 4 + 1 and reset
Shits going to cause carpal tunnel
They really need to patch in cursor memory.
wouldn't it be better for fishing to do plain omelete > save > 5 > 5 > reset
Also, yesterday some anon told me I was being too autistic with masterworking/factor singling, so I did some testing with just using 1x factor energy and doing single fodder remaking.
I think it ended up being faster for single item, but if you can do more than 1 item at once, going full 5 fodder and narrowing down factors would work decently
It's nice tagging mutiple rare factors you want in one go
Potentially. But you'd need godlike menuing to make the saves faster than brute forcing as the food does very little for 5 masterwork factors in the grand scheme of things across hundreds of items compared to brute forcing
As it's around 8 seconds in menuing to load and an additional 2-3 to get back to the factor menu and in that timeframe you can quite literally burn through 19 + 1.
Also 1 fodder and 1 energy introduces too many fail states from the unmitigated factors. Additionally raw stats are the easiest to refactor onto gear as 5 accessories brings the opposing factors to 0 on it's own.
I made a little thing of my process https://streamable.com/47q7t7
Had this game had cursor memory or multi-select this process would be lightning fast for everybody
Welsh, Claude and then it depends on who you recruited. In general casters are bad though.
Honestly Bloody Armour should either negate health drain or make it substantially less. It's way to easy to invalidate the difficulty.
Don't get me wrong, I like broken shit in RPGs but Bloody Armour removes any and all difficulty post game.
>NOOOO
>You have to balance the single player game!
Fuck off.
No one said you had to go full Vegh anon. You don't HAVE to use it.
Is there a way to beat raid bosses without bloody armor? Maybe if you do the Dodge/attack over and over while spamming assault characters for aid and the rest of your team gets mogged by the raid boss, that would be one way I think? Otherwise if you're not using bloody armor on your whole team everyone's going to get wiped.
>DIAS-SAMA PLEASE KISS MY WIFE RENA
So the underage ESL Rean shitposters are here now?
RENA is for human cock only
Claude disagrees
>t. Rena
Stop posting on Ganker and back to bed with Claude.
But Claude refused to let me in our bed until I kiss Dias in front of him. It’s not like I mind...
What causes this level of mental illness?
Kenny’s blood
Should I recruit Bowman instead of the girl in Rena’s route?
I like Bowman but I basically always take Precis. She's also the more canon of the two.
I wanted to recruit her first but seems like she is much better in Claude route
Precis because she one of the strongest characters lategame
Wasn't the twist in one of the games that the entire Star Ocean universe just some television drama?
MMO not drama
Ah, I see. Did they ever retcon that? It's dumb but that makes me not want to bother playing the games.
It's kinda badly tought out since it's a PS2 JRPG, but the point of the twist a "i think, therefore i exist" type of thing
Their universe is real to them, therefore they are real.
I don't think it ever got retconned
If anything it got retroactively added to earlier games by the remasters
>Make every other girl infinitely better than the main love interest
What did Squaresoft mean by this?
Contrarian
SPACE
ELF
THIGHS
PUSSY!
Have vtubers been playing SO2? Need simps to give money to SE so we get Blue Sphere remake.
Only Kiara
>SPONSORED
Are you fucking kidding me? Do all of these cunts have shit taste?
Watame also, apparently she's a big SO2 fan, but haven't seen anything other than her two hour stream on launch.
Is there some good way of making decent money early in the game?
Before Lacquer, master chef can let you craft nectar which sells for an extremely large amount.
You can also sell fish for a more simple way to deal with it
After Lacquer just publish books you make with publication and 1 hour after you publish them, return to the vendor to collect enough money to last you the rest of the continent.
I WANT TO FUCK A SPACE ELF UNPROTECTED
But you already did Dias
Gross.
We know, Claude
Claude just wants to watch.
have a nice day, cuck
I’m not Claude
How does NG+ work? Can you change mc?
I'm buying this weekend. It'll be my first Star Ocean game. Is there anything I should know going in?
Claude is the "canon" main character, or at least he was in the anime.
im getting stat checked by the final boss, im level 95, where is the good equipment?
>where is the good equipment
In the menu option that says "IC/Specialty"
How did the time explosion whatever thing from 700 million years ago not destroy the entire lab and surrounding area?
Good infrastructure
So what's important to steal on the first continent in this version? I got the Sprite Bracelet already, and the Keen Kitchen Knife in Salva. I know there's an old man in Marze with the box, you can craft that so it doesn't matter, right? Anything else that's pretty cool to get?
Do you pronounce ‘Rena’ as ‘Ree-nuh’ or ‘Ray-nuh’?
I grew up saying "Ree-nah" since that's how they say it in the original English voice track and that is how I will be calling my daughter for dinner. "Raynuh" seems like a bastardization of the name by Japanese speakers that got imported back into the West for some reason.
レナ
Currently in CoT and everything is kicking my ass. Playing on Universe, even green mobs just kill me off so quickly. What are better ways to make my defense not suck?
>universe mode
out leech but some mobs can one-shot you
or
bloody armor or bloody helmet
>What are better ways to make my defense not suck?
Defense max. Put on a blue talismans
Go nuts
Since you're on universe the game is done fucking around. Either you get good factors on all of your gear or you die.
With this level of defense my welch took very little damage and healed everything back up.
I think I ran away from everything on the 3rd floor the first time through.
I have been on the final boss for hours, I cannot beat him even on easy mode what the fuck
he just dumps 3 purple rings and everyone gets one shot, hes dumping spells faster than I can manually spam team heals. what god damn level am I supposed to be? All the enemies are green except map raids
Did you enter the cave of trials before going to fight him?
If you do that he auto-levels up to CoT levels as compensation to not make the fight a cake walk.
that would have been nice to know, did I skip some text?
what a kick in the balls for a first playthrough
You can't enter the Cave of Trials in this version before beating the final boss once
Nel is cute. CUTE!
I'm excited to play this (eventually (after I play the first remake I bought on sale a few months ago))
If those elf ears wiggled I would be defeated instantly
Quit sexualizing Rena, you fucking freaks.
Have you seen those thighs? And those slutty ears?
I can’t help but not imagine loving and inseminating an elf with human children.
I can't fathom why they shut down Anamnesis.
Lucky Claude
Sure, I can sexualize Precis instead.
she came pre-sexualized, it wasn't our fault.
It's not our fault, back when almost everyone in this thread was a kid the official artist got kicked from the franchise because he did this:
https://nhentai.net/g/11457/
Holy shit
700 million year old space elf pussy. imagine.
OLDER THAN THE TREES
>Kinda want final team to be Rena, Claude, Precis and Opera
>Also know there is a chest that can only be opened if you have Ashton
>Precis x Ashton is a cute pairing
Trying to decide what to do. Almost to the point where I can get Ashton.
No real point having Rena and Opera together in the same battle party since Opera can be a better healer and you can put a buffing spell for Rena as an Assault.
The character specific COT chests don't appear this time if you don't have the character, so no need to feel autistic about missing a chest.
Instead you lose out on an precis KM with no ashton.
i beat the game in 20 hours. thank fuck i didn't pay money for this, i would feel ripped off.
You beat the main story and probably ignored all side content if you beat it in 20 hours. A lot of RPGs are like that, main story is like 1/3 of the game..
>Speedrunning
>Claude, Celine, Opera and Chisato
This should work, right?
>Leon has a crush on every girl in the party
>Agree to help him out
>Set him up with Celine because it'd be funny (and she's the only single woman in the group that isn't Welch)
>She rejects him
>Open the status menu
>See this
I didn't realize this game would be based and /ss/-pilled.
That hag is NOT 23 what the fuck
>She rejects him
She doesn't reject him. She tells him to nut up and ask girls out without going through a middle man, and to try again when he's a little older.
>Be Ashton
>Be a cool adventurer, to prove your coolness you try to solo a dragon
>Bunch of dipshit rookies distract you and now you're cursed with 2 dragon heads coming out of your back (they never stop pestering you)
>Elf bitch gives the dragon heads the most retarded names possible, further embarrassing you and tanking your reputation
>All the femoids in your party oppose you exorcising the dragon heads because "they are cute teehee!" with 0 regards to your well being
>Fall for the qt genius mechanic girl
>She ends up with the blonde douchebag nepo baby despite him already getting stank elf pussy on the daily
>Also you are the worst party member, as far as gameplay is concerned lmao
Being Ashton is suffering
>Also you are the worst party member, as far as gameplay is concerned lmao
>be Ashton
>be considered a legendary top tier party member in terms of gameplay with some of the strongest spammable moves in the whole game
>SO2R
>They nerfed you to practically being a shadow of your former god tier self
What did they do to nerf Ashton so badly? What move got crushed?
all his top tier special moves got nerfed. No more sword dance stun spam for example
What about spamming Hurricane Slash? That's all I did with him back in the day and wiped the floor with it.
He's incredibly slow and most of his KMs have a shitload of endlag. Stunlocking is also harder to do now so a lot of enemies can just move out of the way of them now. Then you got the buffs they did with Dias, Precis, Ernest and all of the mages and he just falls behind once you hit the post game.
>dual wield character
>incredibly slow
is this the first time this has happened? it's like the ultimate no go, I've never seen a dev do that before
>what moved got crushed
Nearly everything except tornado and piercing blades
>Sword Dance
Enemies can walk out
>Dragon Breath
Enemies can walk out
Both will get you killed in CoT
>Northern Cross
Still criminally slow, has him get closer to do the far version (which means he'll just get punched out of it), and does no damage
>Vanishing Swords
Somehow worse. Nearly no damage per slice and the suction it gets is almost exclusively only useful as an assault (and still bad there as he locks your assault bar for the entire fucking duration)
>Tri-ace
No longer freezes the screen, no longer force staggers (completely neutering it against Gabriella), and does damage so low that fucking twin thrust beats it.
Hurricane slash is still good at least. But it moves him into melee range for it's lengthy as shit recovery which means Gabriel Unlimited and Iseria just kill you for your trouble.
>Yet Claude can still get Aeterna/Eternal Sphere a few hours into the game and just auto everything down
What the absolute fuck. But buffs to Dias and Precis sound fun.
How do I stop the CPU from jobbing?
Remove helm splitter.
Thank you anon. Now I can lose to Dias with pride.
The Diplo is huge what the hell
Look at this creature
Loose socks > thigh highs
They did her dirty in that rendition.
Rena if she e-boi
Nah, in that artstyle she's still clearly a teenager. Precis looks way younger.
Some people hate 00s style but I still find it charming. The Anamnesis style is the best overall for the girls though.
She looks like Rita from vesperia if she was even more of a e-boi
What Assaults are you guys running for your spellcasters? I've got Southern Cross for Celine and Ravenous Beasts for Leon, but there's probably better choices.
If I want to hook Leon up with a hag does he get a better ending with Celine or Opera?
They're both platonic
But Opera at least has Leon use some pretty smooth lines
Before being shot down
Why is it so fucking ugly?
no taste
It objectively looks like shit.
Best skills for Claude AI to spam? Im doing postgame and feel like the "normal" skills aren't good enough any more.
none
Set him to don't use sp, and just lightspeed + ring of might and do normals forever, and swap to him to meteor punch on break
(sometimes) Knuckle Burst, (mostly)Sword Bomber, (and if your defense and damage are high enough) Mirror slice
If in doubt, you can just phase gun. But phase gun misses some flying enemies.
Knuckle Burst and sword bomber if he's got bunny shoes will generally keep him out of harms way so you don't have to worry about him getting gangbanged in a pincer.
Is there anything left to do after I've beaten the twin angels battle event at Fun City? Is this cool reward the end of the game, with nothing to fight with it? I'm assuming I'm done with everything, but I have a desire to keep playing, and nothing to direct it at.
Ashton always kinda sucked he was just cool enough to make up for it and you could get an easy early weapon for him from boxes
He had the fastest attack speed so he could spam them with an op weapon (until the PSP version and onwards when they gave everyone normal attack strings)
>Robocop actually tries the "You've also killed a lot of people" shit when you catch up to him at Mirage's house
Fucking really?
Wrong thread anon
Sorry, I meant Robert Cop.
I think the funniest thing about Haniel is that he needed the least adjustments to make cooler out of his concept.
Michael was basically redesigned in both Second Evolution and Anamnesis. For the better if you ask me
backgrounds all look terrible. hire that man territory. just play the fucking original