https://www.reddit.com/r/Starfield/comments/16ewowh/in_case_you_wanted_to_know_a_few_reasons_on_why/
Starfield now runs twice as fast on Linux compared to Windows
https://www.reddit.com/r/Starfield/comments/16ewowh/in_case_you_wanted_to_know_a_few_reasons_on_why/
>Just upgrade your rig
What a scammer
He meant you should update to Linux.
>Todd revange against microsfot acqusition
LOL
>Todd Howard is a lying moron
Holy fuck, we need to tell everyone asap
if this is true why isn't this gaining traction?
Because Linux gamers constantly lie.
Read this as "Because Linux gamers constantly die."
Got a sensible chuckle out of me.
>Linux
literally who cares
>Microshart shills already deployed
Just discovered either my LG phone or LG TV runs Linux, forgot which one. Google informed me of a possible Linux hacker
Common folk aren't going to get a Linux partition or use it as their main OS just for a fuckin game. That shit is ass and will continue to be ass.
Dunno about starfield, but elden ring was a better experience on linux at release as it didn't have constant stutters, same with wo long
you don't remember the invisible enemies?
No I had the Sentry torch.
you didn't actually play it on linux
I'm not that anon I just wanted to make a joke
Wasn't a Linux bug https://www.nexusmods.com/eldenring/mods/109
Another version of that post is literally among the highest rated discussions right now
Because no one is going to install Linux just to play this dumpster fire.
there is a dxvk fork for windows.
its not updated as quickly as the actual dxvk but it works for most games and has tremendous performance increases in dx12 games.
>a game running on linux through a wine translation layer and a vulkan translation layer runs faster than native
fucking why.
If linux is a marathon, you got fast hands and coordination. Windows however is hamhanded and wheezing out-of-shape nerds.
this isn't dxvk dxvk only supports up to dx11 its vkd3d it should work on windows in theory although i tried dropping the dlls in my starfield and the game wont open, the dlls are here: https://github.com/HansKristian-Work/vkd3d-proton/releases i know vkd3d has some nvidia issue atm but it might work with nvidia cards
>although i tried dropping the dlls in my starfield and the game wont open
You need dxgi.dll from DXVK. Easiest to just download both.
are you sure? that github readme just says you need those 2 dx12 dlls
https://github.com/HansKristian-Work/vkd3d-proton
>vkd3d-proton does not supply the necessary DXGI components on its own. Instead, DXVK (2.1+) and vkd3d-proton share a DXGI implementation.
oh okay ill try in a sec so i just drop dxgi and the dx12 dlls in the starfield folder?
the dlls work on windows too
>oh okay ill try in a sec so i just drop dxgi and the dx12 dlls in the starfield folder?
That should be it, I've never used vkd3d-proton on Windows but it should be possible.
Post a screenshot if it works. Been a long time since I used windows.
crashes when loading my save i have an nshitia card so maybe that same linux bug that causes a crash at newgame also exists in their windows driver, i hate them so much bros. considering putting my 6800xt back in my system so i can go back to my arch isntall. just using windows makes me mad i hate it. only using it for this game
>i have an nshitia card so maybe that same linux bug that causes a crash at newgame also exists in their windows driver
NVIDIA drivers are the same on both so that's very likely. It's probably going to be a disaster on AMD's Windows drivers too, they're absolute shit for translation layers and emulators.
i got my frirnd with an amd card to test and it doesn't work for him either so i guess it just wont work
>considering putting my 6800xt back in my system
Do it and post here again.
asking a friend to test with his amd card first kek
Set VKD3D_SHADER_MODEL=6_6
how do you do that on windows kek
Starfield.cmd file with these contents next to starfield.exe, probably won't work tho
@set VKD3D_SHADER_MODEL=6_6
@Starfield
>the dlls work on windows too
I don't trust random DLLs. Shit can be just as malicious as an EXE.
theyre not random theyre from the developers on their github
>Project developed by valve contractors
>Random dll
You'd be at bigger risk running software signed by Microsoft https://arstechnica.com/security/2023/08/facing-failure-after-failure-microsofts-driver-signing-program-fails-yet-again/
Then compile them yourself. You're talking about open-source software.
>but I don't want to compile it or I'm too dumb or I don't have time to check the source code for le scary virus
Then stop acting as if you're not using the "download some rando's black-box .exe file to do literally anything" operating system. You run closed-source shit all day every day and when it comes to FOSS you're suddenly concerned that it "can be" malicious? I mean, just lol
Probably because only 5 people on the planet can verify it, like most advanced GPU - CPU-driver interactions
Less than one percent of PC gamers will ever bother learning how to use Linux for performance improvements. 60+ fps is still passable anyway, it's not like Elden Ring which had massive issues at launch (I started using Arch to run ER with stable framerate, very happy with it on all fronts).
it was hilarious playing ER with no stuttering on launch week while everyone else was screaming about it
Watch out, you're going to get ER revisionists that claim it was stuttering shit on both OSes.
It was very satisfying showing off stable 60fps on 1440p Ultra settings on a $1,400 prebuilt in that infamous Limgrave Tree Sentinel spot.
>Less than one percent of PC gamers will ever bother learning how to use Linux for performance improvement
Is that a bad thing? Linux desktop marketshare shouldn't go full on normalfag just grab the power users, you don't want to be tech support for normalfags that pile everything into their desktop and never use folders.
No. It's just answering the question why this news isn't big, since only a few thousand people will even care that Linux now performs better.
That's a few thousand smug people sneering at windows peasants.
If everyone used Linux, we'd turn into plebs.
No, you move to FreeBSD and be smug you have a PS3 with games.
Its a double pajeet gay situation with Microsoft as Zenimax Bethesda is their subsidiary.
Pajeet operating system.
Pajeet video game.
Hopefully someone capable at programming will make a patch like NEB that works on Windows as well.
Some real programmer not the animals that work for this mutli billion dollars moron garden gnome gay corporation that is Microsoft.
Linux is already full of bullshits. Look at all those useless distros and at things like Ubuntu.
Because after measuring, the game crashes.
Just don't use KDE
Because it is not out yet but you can download the built file here
https://github.com/HansKristian-Work/vkd3d-proton/suites/15988335161/artifacts/912852488
because its not true, if anything doesn’t launch or crashes more on linux
that 2x performance thing doesn't solve this issue that problem is an nvidia driver bug
>nuvidia
>marketplace leader in gpu hardware
>literally the most adopted cards
>chudix Users: lol doesnt matter
Classic. And you all wonder why gaming on linux is trash.
>nvidia: proprietary drivers only
>amd: open source drivers
>retard using linux+nvidia: my game crashed!!! linux sux!!!
Popular does not equal good.
Yeah, but Vulkan drivers are better on Linux.
>Popular does not equal good.
No, being the king of performance on 99% of games = good and that's what Nvidia also is
>stuck in 2017.
Last series of nvidia cards that gave maximum bang for buck was 10xx with 1060 6GB, 1070ti 8GB and 1080ti 11GB.
Even then depending on price locally it was better to buy an RX 580 8GB or a vega 64.
The king is the one selling the me the best performance for my money and the best performance in the long run.
Your mom gave all the bangs for zero bucks. Who cares.
Get cancer, uncultured corporate tool.
This is why they released dlss, to force pascal into being obsolete faster, and frame gen is the same but for stuff before ada
Shartfield time worse on Nvidia even on windows, and this is Nvidia dropping the ball on linux. Did you blame windows for stutters on wo long as well?
>VKD3D_CONFIG=force_compute_root_parameters_push_ubo
in launch command line
this doesn't work nshitias driver is just fucked, i replaced my 6800xt with a 3090 some months ago because its better for ai memes but ive had nothing but problems since doing so kek, think im gonna setup a different machine for ai so i can have a comfy amd setup
A
>Nvidia on linux
B
>Lying about how often it crashes when it running so well is because Valve personally unfucked it for the Steam Deck
>from 5 days ago while the fix in OP isn't even out unless you compile it yourself
people who play Bethesda games in 2023 are mindless cattle
Because they don't actually know if this translates to an FPS loss.
Because who the fuck has a Linux? I can probably count the amount of people I know with a Linux on my one hand.
And how many people do you know, anon?
Linux doesn't play hitman 3 with wine-GE though which is one of my favorite games.
Even if there is better performance on linux I'm not changing my entire OS for one shitty 5/10 game and I'm definitely not buying it if it can't run with wine-GE
You should change your OS because the next version of Windows is going to the cloud. May as well adjust to Linux now.
Strange since it runs fine on proton
Pirated games don't work the same as a legitimately bought game. Steam comes with dependencies out of the box, but if you add a non-steam game, Steam doesn't know what to include, so it's a 50-50 toss-up if it even loads. If the game is relatively light and self-contained, it will run without doing anything else i.e. original Starcraft + Brood War free release version from Blizzard prior to remastering.
>Even if there is better performance on linux I'm not changing my entire OS for one shitty 5/10 game
i reinstalled windows for starfield because it wouldn't run in wine for me lmao
>trash you won't even want to poke with a stick now runs twice as fast
ok?
BETHESDA DOES IT AGAIN!
XD
ShiD
I couldn't get past the main menu screen last week when i tried it tho
How can anyone navigate reddit, holy shit.
replace www.reddit.com with old.reddit.com (leave the rest of the url the same) then it becomes readable.
Todd wasn't lying, he mean to upgrade your PC to another OS...
Shithesda doing shithesda things
So does it run better on deck now?
Who knows you may have to wait for Valve to include it in a proton update, last I checked anyone using linux as a daily driver was too busy playing Armored Core 6, a game that has actual gameplay instead of being a movie game.
Wow the 6th one. You only start playing mech games when you're 40 plus. It must be sad fans of the first game are all dead or in nursing homes or they'd scold you for liking nu mecha
It run with no issue on my PC which is Windows.
But does it run faster than linux on AMD? No.
I would test this but I'm not wasting 120 GB just to BTFO wintoddlers
This.
There are better games to play.
Also, Bethesda was bought by Microsoft, therefore it is Microsoft itself.
Fuck Microsoft.
bruh what's the point of shoving that pile of compression artifacts at me? no one can fucking tell what you're trying to show
protips for you
>just use 480 or 540 res
>cut the fps to 30
>file size limit is 3.2MB
>adaptive CRF gives the best results, but you will have to try some different base CRF and plus/minus values to get a file size that fits
>vp9 works and makes phone users angry so do it
>>>just use 480 or 540 res
his clip is only 30 seconds long you can get way better looking webms at 720p, can probably get decent 1080p also for a 30 second clip with little artifacting
This game has to seriously be the most rigidly designed PoS Beth has ever put out. Virtually every named NPC is unkillable, there's almost always only one path through things. I've stumbled upon characters I was not supposed to meet yet and the game just went ahead with the usual scripted dialogue as if I had been told to go see them. I'm having fun but especially so close to BG3, this game just feels soulless as fuck.
Owow I can get to the next loading screen in half the time!
I don't understand how I'd implement these changes in a Linux distro to try
use the latest dxvk.
Did they fix Mesa drivers 23.1.7? It was working on 23.1.6 but ever since the update, it'll freeze and reboot my computer. I asked on steam discussion and they gave me a command input which I will try once I get home that supposedly fixes the problem.
nuwu gf
So you're telling me the game basically has negative optimization, and Todd claiming Nvidia's "lack of support" towards fixing his busted game is deflection.
well that's not like it's new problem Bethesda has with Windows. modders had to fix Fallout3 and FalloutNV which just don't run on modern Windows without fanpatches, either.
Kneel.
Running RedHelmet Enterprise Starware
Got a bunch of containers up and running with a few boostpack scripts, might set up Planeternetes soon
>Look on my works ye mighty, and despair
So does this mean a steam deck runs chudfield better than a 4090 on windows?
No retard
>anon dropped his boku
You know you can use dxvk on Windows right? Takes 2 seconds to set up.
BASED TODD
FORCING WINFAGS TO UPGRADE
YOU HEARD THE MAN, GET YOURSELF A BETTER COMPUTER
The long term skyrim playerbase was carried by modders and tinkerers
If this gains traction and pulls a lot of somewhat tech literate people to try and game on Linux due to Starfield, I will personally kiss Todd's Hand and get the biggest paypiggie version of TES6
>DUH YEAR OF LINUX DESKTOP THIS BOY BOYS!
No need for it, just a tad more support like what Valve did for proton and similar and we're in the golden age
It'd be a monkey paw moment if Linux becomes a mainstream choice like macs with a share of over 10%, literal floodgates opening to the most retarded lowlifes on earth shitting up search results forever
>literal floodgates opening to the most retarded lowlifes on earth shitting up search results forever
already happened when that one indian dude pushed whatever upstream on github to 300,000 people all at once, i don't recall the details because it was horrifying and hilarious
That was epic games retardation, he tagged the group they made everyone join to contribute, usually only maintainers would get notifications on normal merge requests/issues and similar
Those retards grifting with some readme changes to try and pad their profiles existed for a long time though, be it some epic games repo or whatever, not tied to an OS
Or modders will just stick to their working OS that runs everything they want and use DVXK Windows for the same benefit
1. You shouldn't want tech-illiterate people on Linux. It's not for them and they will just become more of those people who try to derail every Linux thread with their sob stories.
2. Bethesda Game Stuios is a subsidiary of Bethesda Softworks is a subsidiary of Zenimax Media is a subsidiary of Xbox Game Studios is a subsidiary of Microsoft. If this game becomes known for running well on Linux, they're probably going to start pushing sneaky patches to break Proton/Wine support.
They can't win against autismos
>they're probably going to start pushing sneaky patches to break Proton/Wine support
They did this with Halo Infinite. It used some undocumented NT kernel function for no reason other than breaking Wine.
>somewhat tech literate
>literate
Oh. Well okay, I did misread that as "somewhat tech illiterate", but I don't care, because
is right.
t. Linux gamer.
Is there any video showing this?
No, because it's bullshit.
I can see it running better with proton, but 2x is insane.
Karryn's Prison already ran better for me on Linux compared to Windows
>game is bottlenecked by every CPU in existence
>redditor blames GPU driver calls
reddit moment
>runs faster in linux
straight up lie
the game is trash but your morony smells more disgusting than the pajeets that coded this pile of moronshit
>game is bottlenecked by every CPU in existence
https://twitter.com/CapFrameX/status/1698043738000425355
Dunning-kruger doesn't know what he's talking about, how surprising
His post lends credence to OP as well. GPU is pegging at 100% but using way less power than it should? That's the ysgae overhead of these endless useless calls rather than actual usage that would pull up power draw
Yeah, but the game isn't CPU bottlenecked
Wow Todd is such a great guy he reduced the power consumption on the 4090!
>compared to Windows
Couldn't they just do the same Vulkan rewrapping on Windows?
>Couldn't they just do the same Vulkan rewrapping on Windows?
Probably. But using compatibility layers made primarily for Linux really fucks up their "Linux can't run games" narrative.
I'm not even a CS fag but that's the power of the pajeet outsourcing saars
I doubt it actually runs "twice as fast" in scenarios that aren't cherry-picked.
But I have absolutely no doubt that Bethesda would do moronic shit like misusing API calls.
Actual pajeet code base.
I've been running linux since 2007 and I still find pirating games on it more of a hassle than windows.
I'm sure that's doubly true for anyone from Ganker new to the os.
>I still find pirating games on it more of a hassle than windows
Fire up bottles, configure it to use dxvk and wine-ge, throw in pirated GoG windows installer and run it installing the game into the bottle, play.
I obviously mean stuff with cracks and drm.
Todd bros? our response?
Bethesda has one of the most incompetent software engineers in the industry, the problem is not the engine, both Rockstar(Bully) and Larian(Ego Draconis) managed to implement dozens of features never found in TES or Bethesda Fallout, like playable dragons, ladders, and vehicles.
A virgin that's twice as fast is still a virgin LMAO LINSUX
A long time ago virginity on both sides was considered a virtue. You look down on it now because your heart contains evil and you're seduced by momentary pleasures of the flesh. Repent, sinner, and install gnu/linux.
based todd dabbing on winbabs
But his piece of shit only runs better on proton because of open source devs, not because of his incompetent pajeet code monkeys
[Citation Needed]
I knew neckbeards and programming socks would figure out how to make the game run properly within about two weeks
200 million budget btw
>dives into pool
>can't dive any deeper
FUCKKK YOU
SLAP SLAP SLAP SLAP
GET WETTER GET WETTER
that's realistic, water would cushion the fall
>playing on low physics settings
>Upgrade your pc
Todd wasn't lying, absolute masterclass
>allocates memory incorrectly because devs don't understand hardware
>abuses a dx12 feature because devs don't know more appropriate functions to use
>sends in bogus hints because devs don't know how to use the one function they keep calling
ExecuteIndirect? more like IndianExecutive
Nice proof and performance metrics you got, definitely real and not another chudix cultist lying to inflate his joke of an OS.
Winchud defence force has logged in for their shift. Good morning saars
Sir, I will redeem the free frames
User with 1 post as well. Lmao never doubt the depths a lincuck chud will go to pretend his server OS belongs in the home.
I thought this just causes less crashing on Nvidia GPUs. Mind you I haven't even had many crashes in the first place. Highly doubt it'll ever come close to doubling FPS. DX9 games sure but only because modern graphics drivers have way better optimization for Vulkan than for DX9.
>Less crashing
Huh? I've had 0 crashes in 37 hours on my 3090. The games issue isn't crashing, it's the dogshit frame rate
>dogshit frame rate
It's funny that everywhere on planets is incredibly smooth 120fps at 4K, but in space I get a 15fps slideshow even with all graphics options set to potato at 1080p, especially in asteroid fields.
The one new thing their diversity hires add to the game runs like absolute trash and doesn't even look as good as a game released almost 10 years ago. This is the future of the western game industry.
I'm on a 3070 and 9700k and I just think it has poor CPU optimization in cities. Game runs fine in most areas but cities and space it drops below 60 with the DF optimized settings. I've had like 2-3 crashes in like 14hrs of playtime at this point. Not a ton but more than zero.
>New account
>1 post
>Zero benchmark proof, just 2 numbers
>Indian name
>Absolutely no one else on the testing page reporting anywhere near double digit FPS gains, let alone a full 100% improvement
Uh huh
Did anyone get vkd3d-proton builds working on windows? I grabbed both dxvk and vkd3d master builds but the game refuses to start.
Don't bother with trying to use DXVK development builds on windows, 95% of them are broken to the point of not working at all or not really providing any of the intended performance gains. The Windows port is a secondary project that the devs don't really focus on. Just wait for the finish version 2.10 to come out.
If I remember correctly you have to add VKD3D_SHADER_MODEL=6_6 %command%
If you're on AMD its over
It's over, guess I will have to live with native 7900 XTS perfromance.
Meanwhile in reality, on the github report page for this, people testing it are reporting around 4-8 FPS gained.
Its probably more of a gain on some lower tier cpu, like that shitty quad core they listed as a minimum requirement.
Anyhow I would like the 8fps bonus. And a locked steady 60fps.
There is always a reason for this shit, though. It's not like they don't know it exists. Addressing it would likely lead to more instability. Bunch of smart-asses that think they know better than the engineers that spend years balls-deep in the code. The engine is ancient and probably using all sorts of loopholes and workarounds in order to function on modern hardware, that also make it incompatible with other things. The inner workings of software - especially on this scale - is not so simple that it can be summed up in a forum post. I absolutely guarantee Bethesda has known about this since mid-2020 at least.
Not even defending Bethesda. This is just insight from a dev. There is always some smart ass that thinks they can fix everything but doesn't know why the code is structured a certain way (because they didn't construct it), so they end up breaking 10 other things or exposing vulnerabilitys and security issues.
Wall of cope.
This has happened before with Elden Ring.
Fixed on linux while wintoddlers had to stutter their way through.
>can fix it on a translation layer level
>muh engine
>There is always a reason for this shit, though. It's not like they don't know it exists. Addressing it would likely lead to more instability. Bunch of smart-asses that think they know better than the engineers that spend years balls-deep in the code. The engine is ancient and probably using all sorts of loopholes and workarounds in order to function on modern hardware, that also make it incompatible with other things. The inner workings of software - especially on this scale - is not so simple that it can be summed up in a forum post. I absolutely guarantee Bethesda has known about this since mid-2020 at least.
>Not even defending Bethesda. This is just insight from a dev. There is always some smart ass that thinks they can fix everything but doesn't know why the code is structured a certain way (because they didn't construct it), so they end up breaking 10 other things or exposing vulnerabilitys and security issues.
These people are being paid by Valve to fix PC gaming. They know more than you.
>outsourced devs
>spending time on not their product while getting paid in peanuts
(You)
>There is always a reason for this shit, though.
Yeah, the reason is because for Creation Engine 2 they completely replaced the renderer with a new third party middleware called The Forge that has never been used for anything serious before. It's a mess of a renderer with a ton of optimization problems and they're all present in Starfield
>instability
lmao as if starshit isn't crashing already 5 times in a hour without any mods
I let them cook and check it out for sure. Gotta set up my dual boot anyways.
Is there a proof for that claim?
check repo?
The repo has no proof of this claim. In fact the very few people posting about performance there are getting around 5 fps better performance. Not OPs bullshit double FPS claim
>Using Linux
I thought the appeal of vtubers was supposed to be them acting cute, why watch some american pig?
>source: trust me bro
>YES I HAVE DONE THE ENGINE TWEAKING SAR WE ARE READY FOR VERTICAL LADDERS SAR
So its just a bug, why are people so mad about it? It will be fixed in a patch
>It will be fixed in a patch
A community patch.
Welp, guess I'm going to have to set up a linux install..
i love reading anons pretending to know everything about cpu/gpu communication when they didn't write a single like of opengl, let alone dx12/vk
calm down anyone who is understanding this shit is prolly already helping out in some way
If this is true then why doesn't it run better on Steam Deck? Or is an update coming? It struggles to maintain 30fps.
because valve time
do you expect them to tweak it for you as soon as something is out?
So a Steam Deck with Windows installed runs it at 60 fps?
>no, I was comparing the handheld to my desktop PC and pretending the only difference is the operating system
Fuck off then.
actually it runs better on windows seeing that people on chudix loonix need to run the game at 50% res scale and this guy is running higher
Shartfield has wildly varying performance depending of where you are, comparisons are meaningless if they aren't in the same place
Because it's running like shit in much more powerful systems, there's a physical limit to things
then how come it runs like complete ass on steam deck? it runs on Loonix
According to this comparison, it's almost the same shit:
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>Sep1
That's before vkd3d-proton got changed
not even close related retardo
>Its almost the same shit
>benchmark before the vkd3d-proton update
>still objectively running better on linux
Yeah. It's indistinguishable.
To be fair to anon, I still don't see a before-after or current as of today Windows/Linux comparison. So 'twice as fast' is anyone's guess.
It's just a random video running Starfield on a 3700x/6600xt and has nothing to with it. Sometimes I wonder if you retards just pretend to be fucking retarded.
As long as you don't show me anything other than a post by a random redditor saying questionable things without even a fucking screenshot, I prefer to believe that the video is a better representation of reality.
>this reddit thread has been up for 13 hours and got 2 comments and 10 upvotes
>dozens of garbage bethesda dicksucking threads get hundreds if not thousands of upvotes and comments
here is the first thread made about it
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/16eq1rp/in_case_you_wanted_to_know_a_few_reasons_on_why/
Lying chud
Also
>linking reddit unironically
You deserve a 12 month ban.
Cope with it bethesda drone.
DO
NOT
REDEEM
THE
LINUX
SIRS!