>Start using buffs and debuffs instead of just whacking everything until it dies

>Start using buffs and debuffs instead of just whacking everything until it dies
Bros...I've finally become a man

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    congratulations on being 1 point above brain dead

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    kakakrabbypatty

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      YOU AM NO REAL SUPER SAND LESBIAN

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Thanks doc!

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Game gives you ten thousand status effect spells
    >Bosses are all immune despite being the only enemies that live long enough to make the spells useful

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's honestly hilarious how most games make all status effect/instant death spells completely useless by doing this.
      It used to be that bosses were only immune to certain effects, but now every single boss is completely immune.
      Poison used to be great for bosses, now they're all immune.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >most games
        No only the shit you play like souls shit. Real RPGs with D&D influence manage it well. And so do a lot of MMOs.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's honestly hilarious how most games make all status effect/instant death spells completely useless by doing this.
      It used to be that bosses were only immune to certain effects, but now every single boss is completely immune.
      Poison used to be great for bosses, now they're all immune.

      What are some games that manage to avoid having status effects being useless against bosses? Off the top of my head, there’s:
      >Etrian Odyssey
      >Radiant Historia
      >NEO TWEWY

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Darkest dungeon

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        FF7R was pretty good about this. It was a pleasant surprise to discover that Rude and Reno can be easily poisoned with the Bio spells.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Ff7r is gay as fuck. that's not a remake. it's a cluster fuck

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            thank God they didn't ruin ff6

            That has nothing to do with my post, guys.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Dont expect logical sequence arguments in this site

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          thank God they didn't ruin ff6

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Statuses are pretty garbage to begin with in that game though. Statuses were pretty garbage in ff7 too to the point you'd only make use of them with added effect.
          It's dev laziness is all. If they can't be arsed to design every individual encounter with everything else in the game in mind, they just slap on some immunities or the encounter is too easy for them to even matter in the first place. So status effects end up being either worthless to spend time using, or useless because they don't even work.
          Then you get shit like nocturne and shit where they can't be bothered to balance around buffs and debuffs so they just give the enemy a lol buff/debuff removal ability.
          FFX was a game where debuffs and statuses kinda were more impactful, and obviously the yunalesca fight is one of the few to actually make some kind of proper use of status effects

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You can also put Rufus to sleep too.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Status effects on bosses work in a bunch of FFs, FF5 was great with it and so was FF7. I remember blinding Diabolos in FF8 so he couldn't kill me. Sadly, the games are so easy you never check if status effects work.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Pokemon, hilariously enough. Not even Legendaries can resist them unless they specifically have an Ability or type resistance.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Is there another JRPG that's pretty interesting competitively and dare I say it deep like Pokemon?
          I don't know if it was intentional or not but somehow competitive Pokemon battles are really cool and I remember enjoying building my teams and trying to outpredict my opponents.
          Haven't kept up with gens 7 an 8 so I don't know anything about the current meta or if it's still enjoyable.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        epic battle fantasy series

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Earthbound Halloween Hack

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          tl;dr

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Code Vein (except for the final boss) and Elden Ring

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Tales of Xillia 2
        FFV
        Golden Sun

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Kemco games. I'm not even joking

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Never heard of these games. Are they any good?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Eic Battle Fantasy

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I know FFX had a few bosses that could be cheesed with poison, like Seymour Flux doesn't change his patterns and pull out bigger and deadlier attacks if you kill him entirely via poison damage.
        Also not bosses, but a Stonestrike weapon that you can craft very early into the game trivialized 90% of the game's random encounters. There were very few enemies outright immune to being petrified.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Kingdom Hearts

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Rance X. Status effects not only work on almost every single boss, but are also some of the most OP skills in the game and necessary to beat some of the harder bosses

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Dragalia Lost.
        You literally die if you fail to do enough status effects on the boss

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Hardly even a game but Hylics 2 status effects are arguably the most efficient way to fight bosses, especially if you don't know how to min-max in advance

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Monster Girl Quest Paradox
        no boss is 100% stat immune, stat effect + attack skills combos give you the best damage multipliers in the game, many bosses are vulnerable to predation skills (which are OHKOs if the enemy is afflicted with certain stat effect combinations) and every "young" boss is actually WEAK to a myriad of effects

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Elden Ring does this. A lot of people called the God Skin Duo artificially difficult because they refused to put one God Skin to sleep lmfao.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          This board was so fucking retarded in how they actively tried to avoid any tool ER gave you

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >tfw I opened with world map once so I didn't actually beat the game

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >hexers in Etrian Odyssey can force bosses to attack themselves for multiple turns in a row

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Nightseeker gets his advanced talents
          >everyone just dies from poison knives

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Labyrinth of Touhou 2 does a good job in my opinion.
        Very few bosses are immune to all status effects and debuffs, status effects are very powerful, you have items that make every attack or spell of a character have a decent chance of applying a status effect, characters who specializes in a certain status effect and get some powerful bonuses if someone has said status effect, a character that lowers the status effect resistance of enemies, Hina who just fucks everyone with debuffs including herself just to become more powerful.
        And if you aren't overleveled you need to use status effects and debuffs on normal encounters to be efficient while exploring.
        There is one catch tho. Some status effects work differently on you than on enemies. Heavy, for example, prevents you from swapping party members which would be useless on enemies. So instead on enemies it lowers their speed and reduces their physical defense by 50%. You can also debuff their physical defense directly up to 50%. Those two stack.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Shin Magami Tensei III Nocturne.
        I don't know if you can poison or stun bosses but you definitely can lower their defense, attack and hit rate.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Nevermind I'm retarded.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        how would I know? I don't play video games.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Lisa the painful

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Library of Ruina
        >smoke, bleed, burn, paralyze, feeble, fragile, and especially fucking FAIRY
        >a bunch of endgame bosses require you inflict these statuses on them if you want to beat them

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ff 13

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yep, that shit is funny because it's like "Why even have status effects, then?"

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's not funny it just makes me wanna choke someone.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Fucking Persona is the absolute worse culprit of this. Especially in 3 and 4 (non-golden version) where almost no bosses have weaknesses either so the entire fight is literally just nuking the boss as much as possible and occasionally buffing and healing yourselves.

      The only debuffs from memory that work in any of them is the lowered defense/attack/evasion spells. No status effects do shit against bosses though.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      People always say this but most Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy entries let you afflict status aliments on the bosses. The only big franchise that consistently doesn't let you do it is Megaten

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        People play more than DQ, FF and Megaten you retard. Those aren't the only JRPGs on the planet.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Congrats on turning 15

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I realized I grew up when I realized most of my problems in today's manga/anime is that it's not just marketed to boys, even when it's shonen, it's also marketed to actual, breathing women, and it's why first girl, worst girl always wins.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Expand on this what are you talking about?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        there's about twenty actual women on earth who can self insert as someone else genuinely

        the rest of them, not even just western women, eastern women too, just love not self-inserting as anyone but the boring female protagonist that was advertised with the MC on vol. 1.
        women unironically do not like stories where the MC picks the best women for his nest, they love stories where the MC could be stars and above better than them, but will still princess them. Not that I wouldn't love a mommy GF that'd scoop me up and sugar me for the rest of my life, you would too, but here's the difference:
        That isn't any of ours single only fantasy.
        That's literally one of two fantasies women have, the other one unironically being fucking raped.
        So, boring girl has to win, or the female audience can't self insert because they're all fucking boring.

        The only thing to look forward to is that "best girl winning" is unironically becoming a sub-category that can only get more money into it, right?9

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The problem is you're reading/watching shit manga/anime.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >in the time it takes to apply all the buffs and debuffs you could've just killed the enemy

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Dragon Quest solves this

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > Disruptive Wave!

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Disruptive wave
        >Damn i need to set up my buffs again, should have a few turns before the next wave hits
        >Disruptive wave
        FUCK YOU DRAGON MOTHERFUCKER

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        literally every final boss in Dragon Quest ever.
        setting up all the buffs is sometimes time consuming as fuck.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Uses Aoe turn skip attack

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >a man
    More like a fucking bitch

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >you use defense down
    >enemy use attack down

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Use limited resources to lower an enemy defense by 10% for 5 seconds with a 60% accuracy
    vs
    >smack the thing in the head for 1/3rd of its HP

    Sometimes I don't get d20 systems, hard CC should have saves but I don't get why the enemy gets a save vs a spell that lowers his saves for future spells. Deadfire had the same issue and it makes no sense

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >fight zombie boss
    >immune to nearly all debuffs
    >instakilled with revive

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >fight most enemies
      >the life spell is bugged so that it considers all monsters as undead when you target them
      >only a handful of enemies in the game aren't instakilled by it

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    player debuffs
    >reduces enemy melee damage by 5%
    >lowers target's poison resistance by 10%
    >slows enemy actions by 15%

    enemy debuffs
    >remove all resistances and makes you take 100% more damage
    >reduces attack, movement, and casting speed, and chance to hit by 50% for 30 seconds
    >instant partywide death, eat shit

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You claim and yet you're still posting dragon ball z.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You? Mindbroken by CHADgon CHAD Z

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Unless the buff more than doubles your damage, you may as well just whack everything

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Depends entirely how long the fight lasts. Or if a debuff allows you to gain advantage in future rounds by letting you heal less and output more damage.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    bitch why do you think they take a dozen episodes to charge up in DBZ?

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    fucking nerd

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The main issue with buffs and debuffs is that in most games, for the same effort/resources you spent doing either of them, you could have just hit the enemy and brought it closer to dying. Outside of bosses, there's not usually a point to bothering.

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Stop playing JRPG dreck and play some actual games.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      like button mashers? god fuck no.
      I won't play Kingdom Sharts, I won't play Fart Souls.
      you can compare some criticism between genres and instantly spit in the mouth of JRPG hating zoomers.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >JRPG chuds has never even heard of proper RPGs
        Of course

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        play real turn based games you petulant gay. even advance wars is more complex than the best JRPG you can name

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    bijita bros...

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      friendly reminder vegeta is 3-0 against goku.
      >but but he lost and had to run away like a bitch during the saiyan saga!
      After Yajirobe cut his tail off and reverted him. After Krillen/Gohan hit him with the Spirit Bomb.
      Which all happened after he broke Goku so bad the bro was in a full body cast for weeks.

      >but but but goku could have gone ss3 during the Buu saga
      Sure, he could have, but he didn't, and as a result Vegeta stomped on him and won the fight

      >but but but I haven't seen Super-Hero
      news flash - Vegeta beats Goku in Super-Hero as well.

      The Prince Reings, and don't you ever forget it you low class scum.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Reminder that Vegeta has been daily dosed by Piccolo san since 2008, That's about five thousand doses by now.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          GIWTWM

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          danke doktor

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You think after taking all of those doses vegita starts to kinda like it? Surely he at least hates it less than when he started

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nah you've become a pussy.

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >game has an instant death spell, but it's practically useless because of the low chance of success
    >many enemies try it on you and eventually one of them gets lucky

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Congratulations, now you realize that JRPGs are literally braindead and not worth playing because said buffs don't matter in 99% of the fights you encounter. Unironically the worst kind of games, even visual novels are more honest in their approach than this genre

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    BEJITA-SAMA KISS MY WIFE RIGHT C*UCKING NOW

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't get buffs, they usually just waste your turn. Unless it lets your next attack deal more than twice the damage, it's useless.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Stop playing brain dead baby games like Final Fantasy and play a real RPG.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Depends on the game you're playing.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      not all games let you throw out hard hitting attacks constantly without punishment. Some have steep attack costs, others balance strong attacks with a long delay. Damage buffs give you the most bang for the buck. And not all buffs necessarily have to boost attack strength only

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      idk anon, stacking speed buffs and slows on your enemies makes for a very fun game when the boss never ever gets a turn in Atelier series

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You're absolutely right, they doesn't make sense in games where ressources (HP/MP in most cases) are easily available due to cheap and plentiful restorative items, but for dungeon crawlers, where you engage into one risky trip to a dungeon they're useful.

      I feel that's why mediocre RPG are mediocre. Crowd control, target priorities, money management not being really a thing outside of equipements are what make you involved in the mechanics.

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >buffs and debuffs permanently changes your character's stats

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Tell me what game so I can avoid it at all costs

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What are some games with really unique status ailments?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      SMT Soul Hackers and Strange Journey have the Bomb status effect. When those with this status are hit, they explode, dealing damage to the entire party.

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >f-friendly r-reminder bejita is-AAIIIIIIEEEEEEE NO 18-SAMA NOT AGAIN

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >YES 18, HIT ME WITH YOUR FEET OH YES *SNIFF* F-FUCK HOW PUNGENT.

  30. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Modern FFXI has solved the boss status dilemma almost entirely. Most bosses have a level of resistence higher than ordinary enemies but you can keep spamming the same shit to weaken resistence until the poz finally lands and it's potent as fuck. Big attacks get cancelled with paralysis, outgoing damage greatly reduced with accuracy and slow effects. The mitigated damage allows you to swap out the second healer for whatever you want especially if you're using a red mage who has weaker heals anyway to supplement. The fact single player games don't use this dynamic is a fucking travesty.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      that's a lot of words dude. you wanna like hit the joint or something to calm down?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Please stop pretending to be a retarded pothead stereotype I want to discuss video games.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >retarded
          it's 2022 come on, man

  31. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >normal enemies die too fast for debuffs to be useful
    >bosses are immune to debuffs

  32. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Debuffs are for pussies.

  33. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Speaking of buffs and debuffs, I hate how weak they are in so many games.
    >10% poison resist for 10 turns (but just the regular poison, not the 5 other variations)
    >ranged attack +3% for 5 turns (doesn't stack with any other ranged attack buffs)
    >protection spell has a 33% chance to reduce damage by 15%
    >water-element attacks recover 20% of the damage dealt (only 1 character does water damage and they're the token priest with pitiful damage)
    >haste but it's not enough to outspeed anything that's not 10 levels under you

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I've been playing video games for 30+ years and can barely even begin to think of 5 titles that are like that.

  34. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >boss is immune to debuffs
    >boss dispels your buffs
    What now, OP?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >he doesn't have dispel immunity WITH his buffs

  35. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >"I've finally become a man"
    >posts a manlet with receding hairline that loses every fight he's had
    Sasuga, OP

  36. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Good, now use those consumables

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >no consumbales
      >die in 5 hits
      >kill the boss in 20 hits
      >use the best consumables you have
      >die in 6 hits unless it's any of the bigger attacks then it's still 5
      >kill the boss in 18 hits
      ehhhh

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >he didn't buy the better consumables while sitting on a bunch of gold you can't use for anything else

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Playing FFX
      >Yuna handles all the healing since she's the white mage
      >Get to the point where she's not in the party
      >Start finding Al Bhed Potions
      >Put the Alchemist effect on Rikku's weapon
      >Can now heal for 2000 while also curing poison, petrify, and silence in a single turn
      >Rikku has crazy high agility, and Use has a short recharge time, so she gets turns very often.
      Pfft, who needs white mages?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        heal the entire party, I mean. Fuck, I meant to include that.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Rikki by herself completely snaps the games balance into tiny pieces with Steal and Use alone, not even considering her absolutely busted Overdrive.

  37. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Game has timed hits.
    >Game is too vague to explain how to perform them.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >he doesn't know about timed hits

  38. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >never use status effects
    >buffs
    >consumables
    >magic
    pure POWER

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      SSJ2 should have been the limit. SSJ3 pushses it too far and is autistic.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >SSJ3 pushses it too far and is autistic
        That's kind of the point. Everyone noted that it was ridiculous and not sustainable.

  39. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What are some games with good random encounters, so that you can't just hit them to death.

  40. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    More bosses and enemies in games should take inspiration from Smite's Jormungandr.
    He can't be hard displaced(Push, Knock Up, Pull, Grab) but he gets an uncleansible status effect called daze which slows him down and makes him take more damage.
    So a boss can't be instantly killed but instead would take a burst of damage. Or in DoT cases it could be reduced, have a cap or something.

  41. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >play BoF III
    >notice 2 def buffs give you basically 30% damage reduction
    >waste 2 spells buffing entire party up
    >make up for it by wasting less MP and turns healing later

    >speed buffs/debuffs are downright broken (EX turns, even against superbosses. especially useful for getting the most out of dragon form)
    >sleep lets you heal up and/or blast enemies with magic for free + entire party gets EX turns if all enemies are asleep, which is ideal for stealing
    >even if important debuffs don't work against most bosses, you can still buff yourself
    I can't believe you were missing out on all this OP.

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