>Starts off as a mentor character. >Immediately betrays you for no reason

>Starts off as a mentor character
>Immediately betrays you for no reason
>Changes his mind for no reason and teams up with you
>Changes his mind again for no reason and forces you to kill him
What was Angeal’s fricking problem?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He never really betrays you though

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it's just shitty autistic jap writing like boss from mgs3

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Mgs3 makes it clear that the Boss was always on your side. Angeal’s writing is just schizophrenic

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The boss wants you to kill her though. IIRC it was part of her mission to die.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        2024 and people still delude themselves into thinking the boss was a good writing character

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          She was a psychopath on a suicide mission, dunno what depth you expect

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Immediately betrays you for no reason
    He left Shinra because he found out he was a designer baby, his mom betrayed him, his real dad was a crazy scientist, his friend was dying from the same experiments, and he himself would probably get the same disease
    >Changes his mind for no reason and teams up with you
    He helps Zack because Zack did nothing wrong and Genesis was getting increasingly erratic.
    >Changes his mind again for no reason and forces you to kill him
    He doesn’t change his mind, he considers himself an abomination from the start. He just gives up on trying to live in all that mess.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Ah yes, I will commit suicide by trying to kill my friend

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's called a rite of passage not that you would know as a woman. Crisis Core is a perfect example of a game that women can never understand.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Congrats Anon. You spoke to your first woman, and it went exactly as expected.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >woman

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Is that why there's such a high suicide rate for men?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            There's a high suicide rate for men now days because there are no rites of passage and the entire society is feminized and shit.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              So there would be less or more suicides if rite of passages existed?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There would be less because people would have a stronger identity.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The suicide rates are so high because they are being simultaneously told not to talk about their feelings and that they are the cause of everyone's problems.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Serious question: Have you ever looked at the suicide rates around the world or are you babbling random nonsense because your feels tell you that? The highest suicide rates for men are in the ultra pseudo-masculine societies like Russia and Africa. The shit you’re talking about makes it worse, not better.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The solution to the male suicide epedemic is allowing for men to express how they feel without too much judgement or ridicule. Thats basically all there is to it. When men are unable to express themselves they have to bottle it up and eventually it becomes too much, they either do a mass shooting or just an hero. All the men in the world trying to shame other men into being stoics and just pretending they arent depressed or miserable are just keeping other men in a perpetual state of misery and doom.

                The male sex killing itself.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's called a rite of passage not that you would know as a woman. Crisis Core is a perfect example of a game that women can never understand.

      Based, I'm surprised more people shit on Angeal than on Genesis these days. Talking about honor > talking about homosexual poetry

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Genesis is conceptually a more compelling character and has a more interesting arc, but especially if we take DoC and Opera Omnia into account. But Angeal is fine too.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          ZoomBlack person detected

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nojima writing in a nutshell

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He knows his shit.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    he was a bro to the end unlike cloud who not only steals Zack's identity and personality but he even forgets the guy that saved his life and childhood friend's life

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He's a compilation character so he's automatically garbage and moronic.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The filler non canon characters are fricking abominations. Maybe don't invent a mentor character for Zack if you start the game immediately when Zack becomes an independent class 1 soldier. There is literally no point for Angeal to exist except to say: look this is Zack's mentor, he also has a big sword and Zack took him as inspiration and wears a similar hairstyle and clothes, but we won't actually show the backstory.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >but we won't actually show the backstory.
      This is nu!Square writing as a whole.
      Don't explain shit, don't establish any pathos whatsoever, just throw in random garbage and expect the spectacle to carry the entire story.
      They did it with the three XIII titles, they did it with XV, and they've done it with the entire Compilation. It's fricking embarrassing that any of these writers still have a job.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    crisis core unironically ruined zack. his entire character arc in this game is "I joined shinra so I could become famous for murdering asians like sephiroth but the war ended so I'm going to become a mindless drone of shinra doing random missions because this is a PSP game so we're aping monster hunter even though I personally know a half dozen people who tell me that they were fricked over by their cartoon supervilliany until they put me down like a dog"

    in the OG game its made clear that most working at shinra unironically think they're the good guys, especially someone like zack that is mostly being sent out to fix problems and fight big monsters instead of the shady shit the turks are doing - even sephiroth doesn't really get all the details until around the nibelheim mission. but in the post-crisis core timeline now zack just kind of comes off as a total fricking moron that picks the worst possible moment to try and betray shinra instead of just heroic but naive and willing to avoid asking questions because he can do cool heroic things in the process of working with shinra

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >crisis core unironically ruined zack
      >t. boomer still shitting himself over the fact taht zack is 100x more of a compelling character than cloud can ever hope to be
      >even in cloud's own game, he is just a schizo trying very poorly to emulate a much cooler character (BY HIS OWN ADMISSION)

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        zack is no longer "a much cooler character" after crisis core reveals him to be a total moron that is willfully ignoring all the red flags going on around him.
        clouds mentally ill larp at what zack is like in the OG game can barely put up with barret being unable to pay him in full, let alone the real deal - but somehow nu-zack is willing to get strung along by cartoon supervillians the whole game. it paints him as either a total moron or a low fuctioning sociopath that doesn't care about anything as long as he gets to keep hitting stuff with his oversized hunk of metal (until the last 5 minutes when the devs have to pay their debt to the OG game)

        Why would cloud want to emulate nu-zack? guy is a corporate drone

        You're correct that Shinra is a super poorly written mega corp but Zack hard carries all of Crisis Core. Literally the only good character in the entire game.

        just because everyone around him sucks way more while zack gets good voice acting and cheeky lines doesn't mean zack doesn't also suck in this game

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Didnt read your cope post. Zack being a honorable himbo doesnt make him a bad character.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >honorable
            >main regret about a land grab war against wutai is that it ended before he could get enough medals for wasting the natives with his materia given superpowers to become famous

            crisis core zacks starting arc is some truly evil shit and the game just kind of hopes you stop thinking about it instead of ever actually addressing how fricked up zack was at the start of this game

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You are the type of person leftists are talking about when they mention media literacy. You quite literally and fundamentally did not understand what is a very straight forward story.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Zack being moronic doesn't make him a bad character at all. Stop watching le overpowered isekai protagonist anime trash.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Zack being moronic doesn't make him a bad character at all
            it does when the entire reason why people liked zack enough that they would even make a PSP spinoff game starring him is that he was "cloud, but not a mentally ill moron but instead a competent cool dude"

            competent cool dudes don't see their company morphing your fellow soldiers into angsty poetry loving monsters and then clock in for work the next day without a care

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Crisis Core world is completely rotten, there are no heroes in it. The entire point of the story is that Zack makes a step towards true heroism. Even if all is rotten and even if Zack can only throw the first stone, finally something changes. Angeal is literally what a failed Zack is supposed to look like. Just wearing fake ideals and dreams while changing nothing and ultimately despairing.

              While Zack is a moronic puppet he broke the cycle by being the first person to actually be genuine and make an honest attempt putting all his personal problems aside and putting an honest foot into heroism, which means sacrificing yourself for greater ideals and standing for something that will genuinely inspire people. Zack is a good character especially because he is not the ideal super soldier cloud thought of him as. He is good because he is flawed but instead of being broken by his and the worlds flaws he began moving forward while cucks like Angeal, Genesis and Sepehiroth are all rotting in their circumstances.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                why did you have to spell it out for him anon i was having fun laughing at him

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                everything you said applies to og zack but not crisis core zack

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                what a load of shit lmao
                all of Zack's goals are self serving, there's nothing idealistic about it

                It's merely portrayed as idealistic to dazzle the impressionable teens and midwits
                His last battle cry venerates the illusory "honor" of a corporate drone rank that has done nothing other than further the goals of Shinra

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          best analysis of zack ive ever seen. zackgays are bumbling bafoons that identify with other bumbling bafoons. zack has the depth of a wet paper towel

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            zack is no longer "a much cooler character" after crisis core reveals him to be a total moron that is willfully ignoring all the red flags going on around him.
            clouds mentally ill larp at what zack is like in the OG game can barely put up with barret being unable to pay him in full, let alone the real deal - but somehow nu-zack is willing to get strung along by cartoon supervillians the whole game. it paints him as either a total moron or a low fuctioning sociopath that doesn't care about anything as long as he gets to keep hitting stuff with his oversized hunk of metal (until the last 5 minutes when the devs have to pay their debt to the OG game)

            Why would cloud want to emulate nu-zack? guy is a corporate drone

            [...]
            just because everyone around him sucks way more while zack gets good voice acting and cheeky lines doesn't mean zack doesn't also suck in this game

            >samegayging himself after getting COMPLETELY BTFO
            holy pathetic

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              zackgays in damage control lmao

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >look mom i posted from my phone AND my pc so as to not be too sussy

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You're correct that Shinra is a super poorly written mega corp but Zack hard carries all of Crisis Core. Literally the only good character in the entire game.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Gotta say, I was expecting way more Crisis Core/Dirge of Cerberus stuff in Rebirth.
    Got multiple timelines and convoluted bullshit though so idk if it was for the best

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If its anything like Kingdom Hearts 3, and it will be, they're going to dump every plot point from every spinoff at the very end of part 3. Expect it to be the most rushed half assed ending with 20+ years in the making. God even thinking about it sounds fricked up. People waited over 20+ years to see how they finally end this completion nonsense and all that waiting just for a rushed half ass ending.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    All me by the way. I'm the only crisis core fan left and I'm going to restore the threads, even if it's just me.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >cloudgays are so fricking schizo they start talking about suicide rates at the mere sight of ZACKCHADS

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Zack is constantly getting fricked over man, his freinds all die or go schitzo I hope he gets a hapy ending in FF7R3

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    His problem was that his game was on the PSP and the main story was only like 10 hours long.
    If Crisis Core was the PS2 game instead of DoC they would have been able to give the story room to breathe and Angeal would have been much more likeable if we got to see more of his and Zack's relationship as it was "normally"

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    nomura wanted big epic twists and wrote the story around them because he's a hack that can't write

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nojima wrote all the compilation stuff. It really shows how far gone Sqaure is that Nomura was tard wrangling Nojima and Kitase for Remake.

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