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how is this fucking legal?????????
Fuck the law. Piracy and intellectual property theft is what we need to kill the AAA trannies. Support private servers, workarounds, decompilations and fan games.
what would be illegal about it? if nintendo didn't want their controllers working on anything but switch they'd use proprietary connection, or at the very least tell valve to stop
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH WHAT THE FUCK NINTENDO HOW COULD YOU ALLOW THIS WHAT THE FUCK NO NONO NONO *sharts* WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE WORLD FUCK FUCK FUCK *brap* NNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO FUUUUUUUCKKKKKKKKK *fweeeeeeebrap*
Anon you can't tell but you're sharting and brapping while defending our glorious system!
It's not. Nintendo has ip patent for the controllers and steam is using it illegally. I really hope steam cucks hang themselves.
Valvle doesn't produce nor distribute them retard
And even if they did... you do know that corporations have no monopoly and that it's perfectly fine to develop hardware that can run their games, right? :3
you guys are aware you can also play with Xbox and PlayStation controllers right?
are there people who DON'T use an xbox controller as their gamepad on PC?
360 is best btw. xb1/xbsx controller sticks are too loose. 360 sticks have just the right amount of resistance.
I use ps4 controller but used to use 360 controller before it started to drift
>are there people who DON'T use an xbox controller as their gamepad on PC?
holy shit man are you dumb lol
I have the xbox one controller on my computah, it's great
Based Steam making both tendies and timmy seethe.
Why would it be illegal for 2 things to work together? Same way people make drivers for amd and nvidia on linux to get their gpus to work. They're not stealing anything, just making it so that they are able to work.
Why dont PS games work on XBox?
Why dont xbox controllers work on PS?
No incentive, sony wants you to buy their products not someone elses.
Valve doesnt care because their attempt at a controller flopped, so they just adapted the software to everything else instead.
Why would they be allowed to support PS, and XBOX, but not Nintendo?
Because Sony and MS don't want to allow you to use their competitor's controller with their console, so they don't. There's no technical or legal reason why they couldn't though. Valve doesn't care what controller you use because you're buying games from them either way.
same reason PC games don't work on Android or iphone
Playstation games do work on Xbox via Duckstation.
Two ways, but first the tl;dr is neither apply in this case:
1) Proprietary encodings protected by patents or trade secrets. If you have to decode a proprietary "method to encode and decode controller input data" then you may find it essentially impossible to do so without infringing on some software patent. See MPEG shit. It's basically impossible to make a non-infringing implementation because the patents were written so very cleverly.
2) Encryption. The DMCA means it's illegal to bypass encryption. If you find an exploit and break the encryption somehow then you're guilty of circumvention of a security system. If you find the keys, you are in possession of a secret you aren't legally permitted to know. CSS decryption keys became widely distributed and the MPAA tried really hard to put a lid on it. They couldn't because it's "just a number." So they made sure to get their pet politicians to close that loophole and it's now a crime to distribute the disc keys.
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stop being retarded
French laws states that you can reverse engineer stuff as long as the goal is to make it work with something else so I wouldn't be surprised if a similar law existed wherever Steam is located. The only reason it is illegal is to prevent you from making a copy.
joycons are bluetooth hid controllers
THEY ARE ROBBING BUTBEDO CALL THE LAWYERS
Very dishonobru gaberukun…
do your part
>report IP theft
Is there a gayier action one can take?
Peak tendie retardation
Smells more like Epic shill retardation to me
I woke up my wife and beat her up after reading this post. Ive never done that before wtf is happening?!
Nah the dickeating is crazy
>using a controller
How is this a bad thing? If it makes Nintendo sell one more controller they should be happy
30$ chinese joycon's are the way
Nintendo should sue Steam
fuck that fat fuck Gaben
because bluetooth is an open standard. i can make my own driver just by snooping the traffic, i don't need any sort of an agreement or whatever with nintendo. point me to the law that says it's illegal
how do i hoook up the joycon for pc?
you just can connect it through Bluetooth
Seeing how autistic Nintendo is I could actually see them taking Valve to court over this despite the fact that it wouldn't effect Nintendo in any way
is this really all it takes to make tendies shid and cum on themselves?
What if i told you some people with Switch have Steam too?
stop trying to stir up fake shit OP
It's in beta right now
>use 3rd party controllers to promote your DRM store
how is this legal?
Why would Nintendo be upset that more people are buying their overpriced controllers? Also this is only for the joycon, the pro controllers already worked with Steam/PC
Retards here will say I'm wrong and cope but this is obviously paving the way for Nintendo first party games to come to Steam.
>Nintendo games coming to Steam
Yep called it, very instant reply too
Remember that Nvidia leak? Remember how some Nintendo games like Mario+Rabbids were in there?
Yeah, it's all coming together
nvidia sell android ports of nintendo games in china idiot
>Nintendo first party games to come to Steam.
There is some tidbits about Nintendo releasing the first party games outside of the console in China.
Lmao, just like the snoys when their games ended up on steam.
Also Mario+Rabbids never had an android port
never had a released android port*
nvidia did work on it
that's what the leak was a list of, not of upcoming titles
Why would nvidia work on it when it's a ubisoft game? They would have done it themselves.
And the info in the list is confirmed to be put in by the devs or publishers them self
They already are.
also, fuck nitendo, long live the free world of ideas, AHOY!
Yar har, fiddle de dee
Being a pirate is alright to be
Do what you want 'cause a pirate is free
You are a pirate!
top fucking kek, imagine playing lawyer for soulless corporations online
why would it be illegal? I remember hooking up my ps2 controller to my pc back in the day
how is this illegal
>make someones hardware compatible with your software
>still have to buy said hardware
if anything this means people might buy more nintendo controllers
>Why is this USB controller working on devices other than my Nintendo
Do you even know what USB stands for?
>switch pro controller support has been up for 4 years
>this is fine
>joycon support added now
what are nintendo fans like this?
if you are against piracy, you are not welcome in Ganker, just saying.
>if you support chud hackers because your poor instead of the original developers of hardware you are not welcome on steam
what did he mean by this
get out of Ganker, normie
what about my poor?
reddit is two blocks down
Look at that, the corporate bootlicker is also a retard chud spammer
>giving money to chud developers/publishers
I didn't realize you couldn't do that before on Steam. I guess it just treated joycons as a generic gamepad until now?
ps4 controller support has been around for years.
>how is this fucking legal?????????
why would it be illegal?
I would assume they would have to reverse engineer the drivers for that to work, which is technically legal. I would not be surprised if nintendo sued though
are you stupid? do you think nintendo doesn't know already? probably they had this planned since months. Also is not illegal.
you can buy dualsense x on steam. it gives you the ability to use the dualsenses features in any game you want by setting a profile for it. people have added dualsense support to games like forza horizon 5 and you can download their profiles and play forza with adaptive triggers and haptics.
no one is getting sued over controller drivers.
Kill all tendies
why would anyone want to use nintendo's shitty controllers over anything else?
I sometimes do that one joycon controller thing on the couch because it's comfy.
Does anyone still like Nintendo in 2022?
110 million switches have been sold, so yes
>this unironically makes nintendies seethe
There's really no hope for them is there?
I think the update had a typo, I think they always supported joycons as singular controllers, it's just that now they allow you to combine them into one.
How is what legal? Basic driver support? It's legal because they're third party drivers. You can't copyright code functionality, retard. Why do you think emulators are legal? A code that "accepts input from a controller" has no copyright infringement, since you're still buying the controller from the company making the controller.
I mean I get you're baiting, but holy shit you had to be a fucking retard to even conceive of asking this question.
steams controller support is so damn based it's unreal.
Daily reminder that nintendo sells roms and cardboard to their fat ass, permavirgin, brainwashed community.
>support for sony playstation controllers
>support for microsoft xbox controllers
>support for nintendo waggle sticks
WHAT THE FUCK THEY CAN'T DO THIS, SUE THEM SUE THEM SUE THEM SUE THEM
why are ninspendo children such corporate bootlickers?
Nintendo is such a powerful, self-centered empire that they realistically could retaliate against Valve for this. Some people say this kind of shit not out of bootlicking, but out of fear that it's the only future outcome.
If you were in front of me I'd laugh you out the room for saying this, this comes off as like, a lanky, edgy, crooked toothed teenager telling me "YOU UNDERESTIMATE MY POWER, I ADVISE YOU TO NOT TEST ME" while trying to re-enact the anime equivalent of the kubrick stare
>Nintendo: We're not going to release our games on Steam now!
>Valve: But you don't anyway...
And nothing of value was lost.
>Nintendo: We're not going to release our games on Steam now!
>Valve: But you don't anyway...
And nothing of value was lost.
Retaliate against fucking what? Connecting Bluetooth devices to your personal fucking device? Is Apple going to "retaliate" against me for hooking Airpods up to my fucking Samsung phone? Are you high? You dumb fucking ape? There is NOTHING Nintendo can say or fucking do about you hooking your fucking Joycons up to your PC or any other fucking device that isn't a Switch. You're a fucking lunatic if you tihnk otherwise.
Ive read that in a jedi council voice and kekd so hard theres sofa all over this fucking shit FUCK!
They don’t know who they are fucking with!
Is there a controller steam doesnt support these days lmao?
Maybe some obscure shit from the 90s?
Some Chinese ripoff controller perhaps.
because fuck you tendie
Wow, connecting USB bad now?
USB has a higher latency than bluetooth
Actually yes, USB polling takes longer than Bluetooth 5.0 ping.
garden gnome issue
No it doesn’t. There are specific devices that have a lower latency when connected via BT but thats on the device as USB is faster/lower latency by default.
It's not as simple as that. Most of the time your BT controller is connected via. USB under windows so you're getting USB latency on top of BT latency which makes it worse for you than it needs to be. Consoles tend to include BT as part of the WiFi chipset connected over PCIe or part of the SoC.
USB has higher latency than even it should on the switch because it's a hub design. All your packets are going through an intermediary and that will always suck because the USB protocol is kinda shit by design and will always have a disappointing amount of latency.
There's a reason PC users prefer PS2 keyboards, because USB just sucks, both by design and by implementation.
I was talking PC and about usb wired not via a dongle. Its faster unless the implementation, see switch, is complete ass. Even the fastest wireless mice atm. still have a measurably lower latency in wired mode if they intend to provide it as a high speed option and they do not use BT at all or if they have the option its at some shitty polling rate (Razer).
Consoles (this gen) are a different thing but i dont play anything related/impactful on those.
I am a techlit. Is this legit? How do I measure latency and where can I find resources from nonbias reviews for fast mice, monitors etc? Haven't cared before but recently got into online PVP games again (Chivalry 2), last time I played multiplayer games I didn't even know about this stuff and I still don't know how much it matters.
No its bullshit. But if you are interested in mice specifically than the recent wireless solutions from logitech and razer are nearly as fast/ low latency as the wired connection and by nearly i mean it’s only a measuable tolerance and nothing a human could notice or could be of any impact on the global system end to end latency (input to display).
Those devices do not use bluetooth for their fast(est) wireless connections though, its usb-rf or proprietary stuff.
For Chivalry 2 you just want highest fps possible and any gaymer mouse you like. The latency i blogged about above is for esports/fps/rts autism really and in 99,9% of the cases you want to go like this roughly: clean software(no overlays, not a million background shit doing fuck, no recording, streaming), good ping, low bufferbloat and stable connection and no vsync/gsync/freesync/any sync>high fps>high refresh rate display>gaymer mouse/keyboard now if you lose they obviously cheat.
> Is this legit?
No because for starters almost all modern Bluetooth chipsets work through USB.
you clearly have never used a bluetooth mouse either that or you do use a bluetooth mouse and have never used a wired one
Why are Nintendo fans so fucking such corporate apologists? Is it because Nintendo is le heckin wholesome Jap corp? A corp is a corp.
Wow the amount of tendies coping here is insane. Do they always act like this?
Yes. Just laugh at them. Post the hundreds of images of their community and simply laugh. They get mad very easily, like small children.
How fortunate of you to not be around this fanbase often.
I vaguely remember years ago about an anon going on about all the secret multi-million deals that on in the background all the big companies to be able to do what they do. Valve pays Nintendo millions a year to be DMCA free from users making Nintendo based mods for their games. They have to pay for the same deals for all popular IPs.
Why the fuck are incels sperging about this? lmao.
Welcome to Ganker - Video Games
Why doesn't EGS get updates like this?
tim is too busy spending 700 million dollars renovating his head for other ceos to live in it for free
Pretending to be retarded isn't clever, retard.
Stop shit posting and false flagging if you care about the dwindling quality of this board, if you'd be so kind.
Why are ninchuddies so retarded? How did they come to be this way?
Actually PC-fats are the real trooons. Where there should be a mouse and keyboard there's a gaping gamepad wound.
Pic related is the equivalent of a female to male.
steam already has an on screen keyboard
Steam has been the ideal if not only reliable way to use the Switch Pro controller on PC for years now. PC doesn't recognize it on its own, so I have to launch old games from within Steam. I should have bought a Sony or Microsoft controller, but I assumed it was plug-and-play like those were.
>PC doesn't recognize it on its own
Use a software wrapper to map the inputs to XInput, it's that easy.
Get off 4chins Andrew Melcon
Isn't this fine? It just means Nintendo might sell more joy-cons
i cant imagine how mentally damaged anyone could be to not enjoy a game machine where you can use damn near every peripheral under the sun and have fun playing video games.
You don't understand. It has to be made by my corpro daddy or I don't like it.
Who the fuck would willingly use the joycons?
i would unironically buy one for the sole purpose of binding a button to it to detonate explosives in video games to emulate that stick button action you see in the movies.
I have 3 joycons velcroed to a hoodie for when i play battlefield. Ripping one off selects c4, waggle to throw and BOOM with R2. Had to replace my monitor when i started but i an really good with them now.
please prove it
>pc fats still picking up nintendo's crumbs first with emulation now this
Its honestly hysterical
Thanks OP, I am forwarding this to Nintendo jp right now, and I hope that they press legal charges against Valve.
Bros I am sick. It's not FUCKING FAIR. Steamies get porn games and mods and summer sales and unlocked framerates and now they're going to get our fucking controllers? I pay my monthly subscription Nintendo. I don't even play any games online but I pay it to support my favorite childhood company. DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS.
THIS IS NOT RIGHT
DO SOMETHING NOW!
Because you console cuckolds still breathe. What should be illegal is your kind doing that.
The switch pro controller has been compatible with the steam client forever
>Xbox controllers can be used with PC
Xbox fans: "Cool, I don't have to buy a new controller if I want to play PC games."
>Sony controllers can be used with PC
Sony fans: "Cool, I don't have to buy a new controller if I want to play PC games."
>Nintendo controllers can be used with PC
NOOOOOOO HOW COULD YOU DO THIS NINTENDO DO SOMETHING, REEE THIS HAS TO BE ILLEGAL, REEEEEEEEEE
This is one of the reasons why it's never a question to me what the worst fanbase on Ganker is, I just always instantly answer Nintendo fans.
As someone who wasted teen years on Internet forum wars, I'd say that there are 'seasons'. Which fanbase is currently the worst depends on the stage of a console gen cycle and certain events happening. They all get extremely bad during the turning points of a new console generation. On GameSpot each of the fanboy groups are even named after an animal for some fucking reason (posted there for a few years and never new why, how or when).
Well, even if you were correct (I don't give a fuck honestly, nintendo do the worst damage to game preservation efforts right now and thus I will forever hate them and their embarassing bootlicker fanbase)
THIS "Season" nintendo fans are the worst. So they are the worst fanbase on Ganker.
Spoken like a true snoy (black) (americoid)
t. gay onions boy loser
Criminal website btw
It's a piece of hardware, not software. Why would they care?
What the fuck is this thread?
Can't you shit-for-brain imbeciles realize this kind of thing is obviously a collaboration? If Steam is getting Nintendo shit in it, it's because they made a deal with them for it.
Nintendo products should be banned from discussion
I'm amazed Nintendo doesn't have its own board at this point
cry harder bitch moron brazilian
WHAT THE HECK? GABE IS LITERALLY STEALING FOOD FROM XING XING PING'S FUCKING MOUTH!! NINTENDO NEEDS IUR HELP, SISTERS!!1
Switch controllers use bluetooth, why shouldn't they work on PC.
Hell, I was using a Switch Pro Controller to play some Steam games in the summer of 2017. Kind of a pain to set it up if I can recall.
>Piracy is suddenly le bad when Nintendo loses profits
When did you realize Ganker is just filled with paid actors?
If they sell more controllers because people want to use them on PC, it's not really losing profits
Nintendobros! We must boycott evil Steam!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Falseflagging needs to be a bannable offense already.
Shut the fuck up moron.
It's over. Nintendo is finished.
>Has switch pro controller support for years
>Nobody bats an eye
>Adds in shit-con support
>Suddenly tech-illiterate Nintendorks losing their shit
How much shit did you consume to be such a bootlicking retard?
are there actually people mad about this or is this just a weird thread where you pretend to be mad about something in order to discuss it and get free (yous)
The amount of serious replies this blatant falseflag thread has just goes to show how genuinely retarded the average person who uses Ganker is.
>shitposting? On Ganker?? I never! This is a place for serious discussion only, stop joking around!!
notice tho how this is only a problem when it's nintendo getting made fun of?
it's almost like nintendo and PC (and by PC i mean valve) are the only serious candidates for a console-war on Ganker now that sony's embarrassing itself and xbox is still dead in the water
and it's almost like all console wars for the past several years have revolved around being a cartoony parody of some guy a poster imagines is a lifelong fan of the company they're trying to hate on
and it's almost like some posters really don't know what to do now that console wars are not only unpopular on Ganker right now, but they're hard to even get started because there's nothing really going on in the console world right now
I unironically feel like consoles are dying and more and more people on Ganker are starting to play games exclusively on PC now that GPU prices have stabilized. Nintendo fans are the last vestiges holding on for dear life.
"holding on for dear life" is pretty extreme because, as always, nintendo does not give a fuck what the other markets are doing, Ganker's rivalries for nintendo and the collective idear that nintendo feels they're in trouble by any recent market move is pure headcanon and wishful thinking
I was talking about nintendo fans on Ganker, not nintendo. Consoles can sell well with normies and not be popular on Ganker at all, like how many Apple Arcade discussions are there on here?
I hope you don't think self-identified Nintendo fans on Ganker that throw thread-long tantrums about IP ownership or adding Joycon support to Steam are serious
Ganker has the highest percentage of underaged posters.
Because billionaire fat cats like Gabe Newell can abuse the legal system for their own gain. If there was any real justice in the world Gabe Newell would have been sent to federal prison on March 4, 2021.
Valve screwed over the Artifact fanbase by cancelling the Artifact 2.0 beta without even allowing users to invite friends like they said they would in January 2021 and does not deserve your financial support for these gross consumer-unfriendly practices.
i can finally use my joy-cons to play video games!
thank you based gabe.
Cool, now can they unfuck non-Xinput Mode DsHidMini support? It's been fucked for me since the first Steam Deck update.
For me its maflan
the joy cons suck. why would you want to use them????
I really can't tell if people here are pretending to be retarded or not.
Pretty funny how americans will screech about china stealing intellectual properties but are silent about their own thievery
chinks just copypaste things from the west, rebrand it and sell it
pirating a multibillion dollar franchise shitty game is in now way comparable
Steam deck is a blatant copy paste of Switch
If you're a glaucoma patient, sure, then it's very clear
Switch was a blatant rip off of the PSP and Vita
PSP was doing video-out before it was cool, Sony's retarded for not capitalizing on that with Vita.
Sony is retarded for a lot of things.
The real question is why anyone would want to use a Switch controller on PC? I get Playstation, Gamecube, even Wii in some cases, but Switch? Even for emulation it's not going to be as good.
there isnt and never was any protection from people making your hardware work... idiot.
the real question is who would use fucking joy cons if they have any other option
having the controller split so you can rest each arm separately is max comfy
This honestly is good for switch exclusive games that got a PC port who uses the joy cons motions as a mechanic.
Like the No More Heroes 3 port to PC, if Marvelous is smart they put that support in. Let people waggle with joy cons on PC.
I thought you cucks hated the joy-cons? Or is it OK when steam does it?
NO NO NO NO NINTENDO BROS *shits diaper* DMCA THEM NOW NOW NOW. THIS CANT BE LEGAL, ITS THEIR COPYRIGHT AND BRAND, THIS IS PIRACY AND ILLEGAL! hang on guys my wife's boyfriend needs me to go pick up more lunch meat from the store I'll be back later when I get more computer time
old news. i've been using my joyboys as phone camera shutter buttons for several months
Finally I can use my joycons to play video games. Thanks Gaben!
How is it not? They're not claiming ownership of them or anything, just allowing you to use them with games on steam. IIRC you could already use the switch pro controllers on steam anyway.
Who would want to use them? They are so bad
They definitely suck ass and whenever I play my switch I use the pro controller but having the option to use them isn't doing anything bad for me.
Pro has gyro, ps4(and I assume ps5) has gyro, dunno about xbox but it could have gyro too. Don't have to gimp yourself with the shitty joycons just for gyro.
the joycons have a gyro? i wonder if i can make it so i can pull them up and down in mid air to mimic an air horn in my trucking and train games. this is gonna be great.
Cant wait for nintendie kids to hang themselves after their shit gets official steam releases. We already can emulate most of it but it will be hilarious. Imagine playing on a console that runs outdated smartphone hardware.
Console and platform wars are reaching eldritch levels of retardation.
to help nintendo sell more controllers should be illegal?
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