Switch 2 isn't coming until late 2024

>https://www.reddit.com/r/GamingLeaksAndRumours/comments/10fts26/new_nikkei_article_claims_that_nintendo_has_begun/
>https://www.nikkei.com/article/DGXZQOUF115M50R10C23A1000000/
>It states that 20 million Switches are expected to be sold in 2023, that the successor is not expected until the second half of 2024
It's over...

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    my crystal ball leak says switch 2 is coming this summer

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >THIS SUMMER

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >EVERYONE'S FAVORITE PLUMBER

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >leak
    >rumors
    Why do people keep posting this garbage.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Switch is an underpowered piece of shit so people keep coping by saying the new Switch is just around the corner. Nintendo is taking their sweet time because they definitely do not want a Wii U situation.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Nintendo is taking their sweet time because they definitely do not want a Wii U situation.
        This literally makes no sense.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It quite literally means the next console might bomb so they’re doing everything they can to delay the transition

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        But I don’t want a new switch. I’m happy having the switch with my pc to play the games that don’t come out. I don’t see what the issue is the switch is fine for what it is, a portable Mario/Zelda/Pokémon machine that plays good rpgs and bulders gate every once in a while.

        Why would I need more? I mean more is always better sure but it’s doing it’s job.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          the switch can't even play zelda or pokemon games lmao. it cant even play bowsers fury

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            This.

            People often criticized 3rd party developers of not trying hard enough on the Switch and only Nintendo knows how to make the best use of their hardware but we're seeing even that shit's a myth at best and Nintendo cultists are throwing in cope like "Well, 30FPS is plenty anyway" or "My game's framerate may be shite and the loading times take 16-23 seconds but at least my games are fun"

            Where's the line when it's enough? I remember GameCube games loading on seconds I can count on one hand and Mario Galaxy running smooth was an expectation not an exception. I'd like to think Nintendo's next step in ARM based hardware deals with the kind of performance I expect in a high end tablet of the past 3 years or so at the least where it may not be a PS5 killer but it'll still run a helluva lot better than 4 Cortex-A57 cores and probably loads shit significantly faster on cart and SD card too.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              30 fps is standard in all consoles, not just switch.

              You might not notice it as much on the ps5, but that's because the ps5 has literally no games and is just playing ps4 games.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >playstation deflection
                I'm ignoring you now.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                60 fps is standard in current gen consoles at this point. Even the few PS5 exclusives run at 60fps minimum.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What exclusives? The demo one with the robot or the ps3 game?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                60fps is only standard because they're still supporting last gen shit. As the years go on the resolution and frame rate of games is going to drop until titles are barely getting by at upscaled 1080p30fps with drops just like every single gen.

                Ratchet and Clank is 60fps. So is Returnal. I don't know why you would die on this hill other than to justify Swtich games being capped at 30fps. 4k is the standard for home consoles now and every current game will run at 60 even if it means compromising on resolution.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                smash and mario odyssey are 60fps too, along with others. If you want to be technical, the switch has more 60fps exclusive games than the ps5.

                Just because the ps5 has no games and is just running games form the previous egneration doesn't mean the new standard is 60, unfortunately.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >If you want to be technical, the switch has more 60fps exclusive games than the ps5.
                That's because the Switch has more exclusives than the PS5, so that's a disingenuous comparison.

                The fact that every PS5 game, including its graphics-intense exclusives that don't run on previous generation hardware runs at 60fps, and every game runs at 60fps on the Series X, means the new standard is 60. No one still believes the standard is 30 except for bitter Switch-only owners who are mad about hardware upgrades.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're delusional if you don't see the 30fps change coming by the end. PS5 and XSX will be slideshows by 2028

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're delusional if you think current gen console games are going to be 30fps outside of the Switch.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The fact that every PS5 game, including its graphics-intense exclusives that don't run on previous generation hardware runs at 60fps
                all 3 of them? and then you have the nerve to call my comparison ddisingenuous. I'll believe the new standard is 60 when the next gen games actually come out.

                >No one still believes the standard is 30 except for bitter Switch-only owners who are mad about hardware upgrades.
                I'm actually a bitter ps5 owner that has gone 2 years with no games

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Your argument is completely disingenuous. Current gen-only games have come out on the PS5 and they're all 60fps minimum. That's indisputable fact. You need to pretend that current gen consoles literally have no games because you're dishonest and have no real argument.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                yeah, like 3 of them, and YOU'RE acting like this determines a new standard. Fucking cope, my guy.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >yeah, like 3 of them, and YOU'RE acting like this determines a new standard.
                As opposed to the 0 number of games that are capped at 30fps on new consoles. Cope harder.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The fact that every PS5 game, including its graphics-intense exclusives that don't run on previous generation hardware runs at 60fps
                all 3 of them? and then you have the nerve to call my comparison ddisingenuous. I'll believe the new standard is 60 when the next gen games actually come out.

                >No one still believes the standard is 30 except for bitter Switch-only owners who are mad about hardware upgrades.
                I'm actually a bitter ps5 owner that has gone 2 years with no games

                >3 of them
                wrong
                >Demon's Souls Remake
                >Returnal
                >Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart
                >Ghostwire: Tokyo
                >The Last of Us Part 1
                >Destruction All Stars
                >Deathloop
                >The Medium
                >Microsoft Flight Simulator
                >Scorn
                >Warhammer 40,000: Darktide
                >Forspoken
                >Immortality
                >Recompile
                >Hell Let Loose
                >Shredders
                >Soulstice
                >Gotham Knights
                >A Plague Tale Requiem
                >Serious Sam 4

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Knights

                Ok so 30fps is the standard. Bravo WB Montreal!

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Only 3 games total that all run at 60fps? Wow.
                >Only 1 game out of 20 that run at 30fps? Wow

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Your comparison is disingenuous, we're not talking about which console has more exclusives.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The switch technically has more 30fps exclusive games than the ps5 or sex.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Those are timed exclusives. It has zero actual exclusives. Maybe Destruction AllStars, lmao

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                60fps is only standard because they're still supporting last gen shit. As the years go on the resolution and frame rate of games is going to drop until titles are barely getting by at upscaled 1080p30fps with drops just like every single gen.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >60 fps is standard in current gen consoles at this point.
                lol

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >30 fps is standard in all consoles,
                not anymore retard

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >heh, it's not 30 fps because next-gen has no games!
                you got me there

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                it's not 30fps because games including the handful of exclusive ones run at 60fps minimum. There are more cross gen games running at 120fps on console than there are 30fps games on the PS5 or Series X.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >handful
                more like 1 grain of sand's worth

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            that sounds like a developers problem not the switch. look at Mario Kart 8, that shit runs like a dream and it looks great compared to Zelda and Pokemon

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >But I don’t want a new switch.
          I do. The performance in a lot games is absolutely abysmal.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No no you're supposed to want to consume the next thing don't you want more pixels and feepees

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It barely runs its own AAAs at this point. Bayo 3 and Pokemon SV's performance is universally shat on.
          And day after day Switch emulation is just getting better. Even the Steam Deck can run a lot of the big hits now. A Steam Deck 2 and an extra year of development on RyujiNX/Yuzu can render the Switch useless to the adult demographic who are in the know and don't care much for the online Switch experiences like Splatoon 3. Nintendo is always slow to adapt but it has to at some point.
          I don't understand why you want to encourage stagnation. I don't think I know anybody who wouldn't buy a Switch 2 that was backwards compatibile and more powerful.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Pokemon SV is unfinished. Any gamefreak product would not run well even on top-spec hardware, they're dogshit developers.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I gave Bayo 3 as another example. NMH 3 too. Basically anything released in the last year that isn't an indie or Xenoblade 3 ran like dogshit.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                M+R Sparks of Hope ran well and looks pretty good

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                We litreally got Nier Automata last year and it ran fine

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It’s not really a surprise, people have been wanting better specs and graphics from Nintendo for ages. Will they ever live up to that? Who knows, but I think it would be hard for Nintendo to move away from the hybrid console anytime soon given how versatile and successful the Switch has been.
          I really don’t think it’s that outlandish of a theory for them to make a successor that’s effectively the Switch 2, and the consumers have already shown they like this or at least will buy into it. They did this for years with improved GameBoy’s and DS systems. Personally I think this is the route they’ll take going forward.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Why would I need more?
          Because hardware acts as a hindrance to entertainment.
          On Switch it is common for open world games to have serious problems such as draw distance too low or assets taking too long to load, as happens in Zelda BOTW destroying the immersion of that game. Many games are running at 30 fps (with drops), with sub HD resolution, which makes the experience pathetic when you compare it to decent hardware with 120+ fps and minimal input lag. Even things that should run well on the console like the port of classic Doom end up running like crap. One of my favorite games, A-Train, has crashing problems because the guys had to crush a complex management game into 4GB of RAM. Even indie games that should run well on any hardware end up running like crap on the Switch, often with input lag and loading time issues, things that honestly shouldn't exist in the modern gaming industry, especially not in simple 2D games. I played a lot on Switch, but I ended up abandoning the console because the experience is of very low quality.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          have a nice day

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I don’t want the newer games to look like a PowerPoint presentation.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >a portable Mario/Zelda/Pokémon machine
          You unironically believe that 80% of Switch owners play it on portable mode? LMAO

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Look anon, I'll tell you in a normal way not like the retards that some can reply to you
          The Switch works very well the model of being a secondary console as you say, and to be the "port platform but portable" but to do that, it must maintain a hardware that at least can run most of third-party games as it did its first years
          Neither you nor me nor Nintendo else wants something like what happened with the Wii U, and if they do not update their hardware that will happen, as it will have to, again, rely on their first-party games, not a bad idea but remember that the Wii U played against it over time

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >cloud versions
          they need a new console but now

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        oof, they better have some secret projects up their sleeves or it's going to be a rough 1.5 years

        has nothing to do with the wii u
        it has everything to do with supply chain problems

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        A Wii U situation would involve embarrassing EA on stage at E3 after they tried to strongarm themselves into being the defacto online service provider, causing them to pull all support for the console at the height of their strength

        The specs leaked a while ago, it'll be an Ampere-based GPU with 2048 CUDA cores. We don't know frequency and power consumption, so it's hard to say how fast it'll be, but probably close to Xbox One and PS4.
        So like, ten times faster than the current model.

        You can just look up the current Tegra SoC codenamed Orin, I figured it would be that or the Xavier model

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Wii U would have still sold poorly relative to NIntendo's other consoles even if EA supported it as much as they did the Wii.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I wouldn't have expected anything near Wii level sales but goddamn I don't think it would have done sub-gamecube numbers

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Gamecube was able to lower its cost to boost sales because its CPU was pretty standard PPC750 and IBM was able to produce bulk rate batches because they knew if those chips didn't go into Gamecubes for Nintendo they could go into other products.
              Which included Nintendo's Triforce arcade hardware and ultimately the Wii.

              WiiU on the other hand was never able to get the same benefits of very high volume bulk-rate production for its hardware because by that point PPC750 was mostly on its way out, the WiiU's chip was a weird variant of it nothing else used or supported, and IBM was mostly out of the market for that kind of hardware by that point.
              So at the end of the day the WiiU was never cheap enough for most people to think about it. Especially given the misconception that the WiiU was just a tablet add-on for the Wii, like so many other Wii accessories, instead of a new stand alone high-definition system.
              System seller titles like Breath of the Wild, and Xenoblade Chronicles X were just too little, too late.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        We already estimated the announcement in 2023 and release in early 2024 or dec 2023, without leaks we almost nailed it

        Not true dumb minority, we know because AMD and Nvidia were going to launch new processors. Why waste time in the 30xx or 6xxx if the next gen is here with less nm? Have u ever heard of the aero? Although there's no way Nintendo will use them

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        nintendo is taking their sweet time because theres a chip shortage and covid lockdowns in china

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Nintendo is taking their sweet time because they definitely do not want a Wii U situation.
        This literally makes no sense.

        It does, Wii U didn't have support for PS4/XOne Engines because it wasn't powerful enough, it was a little bit better than the Xbox 360 and PS3. The Switch had a better dev environment and dev support, it's easier to develop for it, and it has current engines working on it, that's why they can get PS4/XOne games. They need the next Switch to be able to run Xbox Series/PS5 games, if they don't it would be like the Wii U not being able to run PS4/XOne games with devs not wanting to work for it, not having enough games and dying for it.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >It does, Wii U didn't have support for PS4/XOne Engines because it wasn't powerful enough
          That had nothing to do with performance, had the Wii U sold 100 million units we would have seen Unreal Engine, Unity, etc support it.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Chicken egg. It would never sell that much because it was under powered and hard to develop on so nobody bought it.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              No, it sold poorly simply because the marketing and the concept itself was shit. The Wii and Switch are both underpowered consoles, so performance is demonstrably not the reason. I mean isn't the Wii U and the Switch somewhat equal in terms of power?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                look

                Not true, it wasn't powerful enough to run games like The Witcher 3 or anything similar to it. Nintendo worked with Unity, Epic Games, and a lot of other Engine devs when making the Switch to make sure that they were working day one.

                https://segmentnext.com/rumor-nintendo-nx-to-support-unreal-engine-4-unity-and-frostbite/

                You can watch a lot of 2016 news about Nintendo working with them to make sure that the console was good enough, Capcom asked them to add more RAM to it or the RE Engine wouldn't work on it. Miyamoto said very proudly that 'PC devs can build Switch ports in less than a year', they got Bethesda and CD Projekt to make games for them. Nintendo in the Wii U era didn't care about making third parties' life easier, they were used to third parties making their own special Wii Port or DS Port during the Wii/DS era, but it wasn't reasonable on the Wii U, they just didn't care or tried to make friendly SDKs or things to work on the Wii U era and that made them get almost 0 Third party support

                https://www.gamedeveloper.com/business/miyamoto-pc-devs-can-build-switch-ports-in-less-than-a-year-

                Nintendo being too cocky and not caring about what their partner devs wanted was the reason Wii U didn't go as they wanted, and they learned their lesson while making the Switch, it wasn't because 'the name Wii U was confusing', that's a retarded take, Xbox Series is also a retarded name and it sells fine

                , developing games for Wii U is harder because it had a shittier SDK and Nintendo didn't care about making current Engines and environments compatible with the Wii U, you couldn't get an Unreal Engine 4 game working on a Wii U, to need to make a special Wii U port, and you might as well make a PS3/360 port while you are at it, devs are not going to make a PS4 and PS3 port at the same time for every game. It wasn't marketing, it was Nintendo not caring about making sure third-party devs have the means to make their games work on it. They learned how to make the Switch run current Engines. And if I was in Nintendo's place I would wait to get the Switch 2 to be somewhat as powerful as the Xbox Series S, maybe a little bit less powerful but make sure that every game that runs on an Xbox Series S also runs on my Switch 2.

                >Not true, it wasn't powerful enough to run games like The Witcher 3 or anything similar to it.
                The Witcher 3 runs on the Switch which is about as powerful as the Wii U. But that's a different thing from it hypothetically supporting various engines. Game engines like Unreal can theoretically run on pretty much any hardware, because they're made to be flexible.

                >Switch which is about as powerful as the Wii U
                That's incorrect, you can see every single Wii U port working way better on Switch than on Wii U
                https://kotaku.com/the-wii-u-wont-be-getting-unreal-engine-4-update-462919060

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >developing games for Wii U is harder because it had a shittier SDK and Nintendo didn't care about making current Engines and environments compatible with the Wii U, you couldn't get an Unreal Engine 4 game working on a Wii U, to need to make a special Wii U port
                My argument is that if the Wii U had sold 100 million units we would have seen these engines support it better, just like we saw with the Wii and the Switch. Of course it didn't sell that well and so devs didn't support it, but it's not like it would have been physically impossible.
                Nintendo didn't have great third party support for the Wii either, so that's likely not the biggest reason the Wii U failed. But it's obviously a combination of marketing/branding, the tablet concept, lack of third party support and even lack of first party support.
                >And if I was in Nintendo's place I would wait to get the Switch 2 to be somewhat as powerful as the Xbox Series S, maybe a little bit less powerful but make sure that every game that runs on an Xbox Series S also runs on my Switch 2.
                That won't happen anytime soon; if the Switch 2 releases 2023-2024 it won't even be more powerful than the Steam Deck.
                >That's incorrect, you can see every single Wii U port working way better on Switch than on Wii U
                While the Switch is more powerful the difference between BOTW on Wii U and Switch isn't super significant, at least.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >My argument is that if the Wii U had sold 100 million units we would have seen these engines support it better, just like we saw with the Wii and the Switch. Of course it didn't sell that well and so devs didn't support it, but it's not like it would have been physically impossible.

                Well, the big difference is that Nintendo 1-2 years prior to the Switch release asked every single third-party dev and engine dev what they wanted on the Switch, and they made deals and agreements and got every big Engine working on it, prior to its release. You can see Unity and Unreal devs say that when the Switch was announced in 2016, Nintendo came into their offices to ask what they needed on the Switch. And I don't think Unreal Engine 4 could work on Wii U, the thing has 2GB of RAM, The Witcher 3 devs said that they barely got it working on Switch SDKs that had 6GB or 8GB of RAM
                and making it run on the Switch with its 4GB of RAM was a huge, almost impossible task. The Switch is more powerful, maybe not by a crazy long shot, but it really does make the difference between barely running things like The Witcher 3 or Hellblade or straight up not running them at all.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >And I don't think Unreal Engine 4 could work on Wii U, the thing has 2GB of RAM, The Witcher 3 devs said that they barely got it working on Switch SDKs that had 6GB or 8GB of RAM
                All I'm saying is that this is a misunderstanding of how engines work, though. The game engine itself isn't necessarily what makes the game demanding; you could modify UE4 and get rid of all the performance intensive shit and make a 2D game like Stardew Valley using Unreal Engine 4 and run it on your toaster, if you really wanted to.
                Cryengine 3 ran on the Wii U so there's probably no performance reason UE4 couldn't, Epic likely just didn't think the console was worth supporting and they were obviously right. Similarly CDProjectRED could also have theoretically gotten The Witcher 3 running on the Wii U, it would have just been even more unplayable than the Switch version and therefore not worth it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Wii couldn't run PS3/360 games, they made a different Wii version of third-party games because it was really cheap to do. Switch runs PS4/XOne games, with some sacrifices, but it does, devs don't need to make a special Switch version as they did on the Wii days. Wii U couldn't run PS4/XOne games, and making special Wii U releases would be too expensive, so they didn't, and not having third-party support made it less appealing.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Wii development costs were the same as the PS2 and PS2 development was really cheap which was why it could happen. Any modern consoles have development scales that exceed that by an order of magnitude, there is a reason why a bunch of developers got out or became bankrupt during the PS3 Xbox360 era doing games for those platforms exclusively.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The original Wii sold so well because the gimmick was cool, they had a bunch of good first party games, and ps2 versions of third party games.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Not true, it wasn't powerful enough to run games like The Witcher 3 or anything similar to it. Nintendo worked with Unity, Epic Games, and a lot of other Engine devs when making the Switch to make sure that they were working day one.

            https://segmentnext.com/rumor-nintendo-nx-to-support-unreal-engine-4-unity-and-frostbite/

            You can watch a lot of 2016 news about Nintendo working with them to make sure that the console was good enough, Capcom asked them to add more RAM to it or the RE Engine wouldn't work on it. Miyamoto said very proudly that 'PC devs can build Switch ports in less than a year', they got Bethesda and CD Projekt to make games for them. Nintendo in the Wii U era didn't care about making third parties' life easier, they were used to third parties making their own special Wii Port or DS Port during the Wii/DS era, but it wasn't reasonable on the Wii U, they just didn't care or tried to make friendly SDKs or things to work on the Wii U era and that made them get almost 0 Third party support

            https://www.gamedeveloper.com/business/miyamoto-pc-devs-can-build-switch-ports-in-less-than-a-year-

            Nintendo being too cocky and not caring about what their partner devs wanted was the reason Wii U didn't go as they wanted, and they learned their lesson while making the Switch, it wasn't because 'the name Wii U was confusing', that's a retarded take, Xbox Series is also a retarded name and it sells fine

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Not true, it wasn't powerful enough to run games like The Witcher 3 or anything similar to it.
              The Witcher 3 runs on the Switch which is about as powerful as the Wii U. But that's a different thing from it hypothetically supporting various engines. Game engines like Unreal can theoretically run on pretty much any hardware, because they're made to be flexible.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >underpowered piece of shit
        So was the NES and the SNES. Thats how ninty rolls you fucking gay.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Famicom was interesting with its add-ons that made it more PC like. Super Famicom was the system Nintendo made to be more for video games. Nintendo tried to return to computers with the N64DD and failed.

          In the west they were just game consoles despite being called entertainment centers.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          n64 was good though, the texture filtering and AA was way more technically impressive than the ps1, even if today people prefer the ps1's aesthetic

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Switch destroys the competition, stay mad snoyfag

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I remember there were Switch Pro ""leaks"" flying around before the Switch even came out. I believe nothing about a Pro or Switch 2 until there's an actual announcement from Nintendo at this point.
      >the ""leakers"" that cried about Nintendo ""delaying"" the Pro just to fuck them over when it turned out they were either lying or fell for lies.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nintendo released the switch pro, which is the same console with the OLED screen and a little more battery life.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          By that logic, Game Boy Light should be considered a hardware upgrade that predates the GBC.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nintendo released the switch pro, which is the same console with the OLED screen and a little more battery life.

        I believe the new revelations of them actually developing a Switch Pro, then dialed it back to an OLED screen upgrade because of the chip shortages, how PS5 and Xbox X were doing terribly with stock and how Switch was still selling moderately well. They made a better business decision I feel just focusing on the next console's developing instead but it's a shame the Switch is fucking weak. I won't be surprised if we see Tears of the Kingdom have a special edition as a launch title on the successor with much greater performance and extra content.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because (You) reply, bro.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Get excited for product! Tell your friends about product! Talk about product! Pre-purchase product!

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    every single switch 2/Pro """"leak"""" is fake.
    it's just paid shills want to keep the switch hype relevant after dying to Steam Deck

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Steam Deck is just another PC form factor.
      Anyone driving a narrative about this being a console market competitor should start saying the same of other handheld PC, microconsole or high end Android devices. They all fill in the same niche, and some of them can run Steam Link. Worst case scenario, you could just skip all of those and sink money on a gaming laptop.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Steam deck isn’t even sold in stores, it’s not a competitor whatsoever

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Switch 2 comes out
    >it uses the same processor
    How would you react?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i have been a die hard nintendo fanboy who has borderline studied everything the company has done since 1992 and I guarantee you that this is something they are going to do.

      The graphics will be identical to that of the current switch, just like a gamecube to wii situation (where people try to pretend the console is a "little bit more powerful" but its not). and the new switch will have some dumb gimmick to justify it being called their next console.

      Nintendo loves letting their fans down, just wait and see

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The specs leaked a while ago, it'll be an Ampere-based GPU with 2048 CUDA cores. We don't know frequency and power consumption, so it's hard to say how fast it'll be, but probably close to Xbox One and PS4.
        So like, ten times faster than the current model.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The Switch 2/Switcheroo/Switch-Me-Baby NEEDS to be significantly more powerful. It cna't be a Gamecube-to-Wii situation where its gimmick overcompensated for the fact that you're using an overclocked Gamecube.

        People are getting less tolerant on how the games release in 2021 and 2022 are running on the hardware. If the Switch 2 is just an overclocked Switch, it WILL flop.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >The Switch 2/Switcheroo/Switch-Me-Baby NEEDS to be significantly more powerful.

          I agree but only from a comparative standpoint with the Switch as a reference.

          ARM hardware has a significant growth, even Tegra X1 has fallen behind in terms of performance to the likes of Mediatek. A refresh of anything made after 2020 would be considered sitting pretty.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >People are getting less tolerant on how the games release in 2021 and 2022 are running on the hardware.

          Not really. 99% of the masses are fucking retards and will buy anything if given enough exposure. Take Pokemon for an example - the newest games sucks ass and looks like ass, but they still sell a lot.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ngl I kinda believe the nintendo 'tist on this one.

        I can see them justifying it with "uh... due to the chip shortage and pandemic" as it would save them an immense amount of money

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        it's amazing they've been able to put out the same console 3 times with just a slight bump in graphics and a different gimmick each time.

        Switch 2 needs to have graphics better than or on par with the PS4pro if it wants to be taken seriously. Doesn't even need a new gimmick just make a Nintendo console with balls.

        The graphics and power jump from PS2 to PS3 then PS4 were huge. Basically the same console but better games and were somewhat backward compatible.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It will be on par with the PS4pro based on the hardware in the Nvidia hack.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It depends on what the finalized hardware is going to be. If nintnedo somehow gets a good deal on nvidia's fucking lovelace architecture it could be possible. But with nvidia's orin nano series right now anything could happen.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              They're not using the nano. We know the GPU they're using and it's one of the Nvidia drive chips. It's 4tflops, but will be cut back to somewhere between 2.5-3tflops to run on the switch. With improvements in architecture and DLSS it will easily match the PS4 pro.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tegra#Orin
                You're talking about this?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                God fucking dammit wrong link:

                https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_Drive

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Dude, the Nvidia Drive systems use their Tegra ARM SoCs. I can't believe you keep posting this like a fucking retard.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >it's one of the Nvidia drive chips
                Uh, no. You're right in that the T239 is not based on the Nano simply because the core configuration is completely different, but Nvidia Drive is a platform designed for cars only and consist of two or more regular Tegra SoCs working together. Architecturally, they're the same as the regular Tegra line, there are just more SoCs and other equipment involved.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >We know the GPU they're using and it's one of the Nvidia drive chips. It's 4tflops, but will be cut back to somewhere between 2.5-3tflops to run on the switch.
                source: your retarded ass

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That anon for like a solid week has been spamming that text almost verbatim, not knowing that the latest Nvidia Drive module uses Tegra Orin AGX. He seems to think that there exists a product line of SoCs just called "Drive" that are distinct from the rest of the Tegra chips, which literally isn't the case.
                Autism is just a powerful and pathetic thing.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >That anon for like a solid week has been spamming that text almost verbatim, not knowing that the latest Nvidia Drive module uses Tegra Orin AGX. He seems to think that there exists a product line of SoCs just called "Drive" that are distinct from the rest of the Tegra chips, which literally isn't the case.
                I know, I'm one of the many people who's repeatedly explained this to him, but he seems addicted to being retarded in public.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >good deal
              >ngreedia
              LMAO good luck for Nintendo there. Nvidia practically gives no care to the consumer market when they are growing and making bank off data centers.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Switch 2 needs to have graphics better than or on par with the PS4pro if it wants to be taken seriously.
          No it doesnt, people will buy it no matter what.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That would be fine with the hardware available, your talking a 15+ hour batterylife mixed with bottleneck fixes, lots of games move to 1080p 60fps on the back of those changes alone.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Switch 2 comes out
      >it uses the same processor

      Architecturally speaking, they'd be shooting themselves in the foot if they did that.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'd laugh at them selling the Wii U 2.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      they cant
      nvidia is done making them and had asked Nintendo for the final batch like a year ago
      once these ones are made a land sold that's it

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'd stop supporting them honestly. Nobody wants to play Mario/Zelda/Pokemon on an outdated processor from 2015, especially when it's capabilities are barely above the PS3/Xbox 360.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Nobody wants to play Mario/Zelda/Pokemon on an outdated processor from 2015,
        Sales numbers say otherwise

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >it uses the same processor
      I could see them using the same basic SoC on a smaller die process that runs at significantly higher clock speeds. Like GC and Wii.

      Nintendo is always going to be shit. Make peace with it.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's fine if they load it with a lot more RAM and much better GPU. If the GPU and CPU are both the same unit then that would be a blunder. I wish Nintendo would make a handheld that is at least as powerful as a ps4 pro, but for some reason Nintendo doesn't want to make something that would sell at a premium MSRP. Infuriating. Not as annoying as replacing the eshop and virtual console with a shitty rental system for playing their older games though.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >but for some reason Nintendo doesn't want to make something that would sell at a premium MSRP.
        It's because Nintendo wants to sell their shit at a profit instead of the now common strategy of selling consoles at a loss and make it up in software and that's always been their philosophy. I think the Wii U was actually the only one that sold at a loss starting out. The Steam Deck fooled people into thinking you can sell shit that strong at a "low" price despite the fact that Gaben said that the pricing for the Deck was aggressive, meaning they're definitely losing money on each model.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >meaning they're definitely losing money on each model
          No, they're not. I'm tired of people parroting this bullshit around. Razer can put out their own handheld at $399 and it even comes with the sort of screen you'd find on flagship phones.
          >b-but le chinkdragon processor
          And those are expensive too, arguably more than the Steam Deck's APU. Valve isn't paying consumer prices for it either, just like Sony and Microsoft didn't for the PS5/XSX.
          This is the same tier of stupidity as thinking phones don't sell for massive profits and that the components + shipping really do add up to whatever Apple and Samsung charge.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >And those are expensive too, arguably more than the Steam Deck's APU.
            Only because Razer is buying them in much smaller volume than Valve is.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              moron, that's not how it fucking works. The more of a specific component you order, the more of a discount you can get from the manufacturer, that is economies of scale 101.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The more of a specific component you order, the more of a discount you can get from the manufacturer, that is economies of scale 101.
                Yes, can you read? That is exactly what I said. Valve is getting a larger discount on the SOC for the Deck because they're buying them in massive volume relative to what Razer is likely to be ordering.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Those are some pretty big assumptions you're making there, buddy. The Razer Edge is using the latest SoC on a more advanced node right after TSMC announced a price hike on those wafers, compared to some older Frankenstein Zen 2/RDNA 2 mix on the much cheaper 7nm node.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Valve are the only customer for their SOC, there are a lot of other potential customers for the chip Razer are using, and they're probably only going to do a few batches of 10-20k units.

                Meanwhile Valve is doing 50-60k units a week, and has secured that level of supply for a while. Which gives them a much stronger negotiating position, with higher up-front costs for Valve, but a much lower cost per unit.
                Honestly its kind of funny to me that we're to a point where the idea that a cheap low-cost to license ARM chip could possibly be more expensive than an AMD64 core with all of its licensing baggage.
                But I guess the world really is starting to turn upside down.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You didn't address a single point I made. You're only making an assumption that there's no way a phone chip could ever be more expensive than an older AMD APU because of licenses and bulk order agreements, ignoring the fact that base price of chip itself can be more expensive due to being more advanced. There are plenty of teardowns of flagship phones and those Snapdragons could easily go for $80 for big manufacturers even before the COVID price hike.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >expensive than an older AMD APU
                Its not an 'older' chip, its brand-new and only being produced for Valve. For AMD64 hardware its extremely advanced for what can go into a handheld right now. Nothing else with that architecture is offering that kind of performance per watt.
                If Valve weren't doing the level of bulk orders that they are, the Deck's SOC would be getting sold for significantly higher prices, if it even existed.

                >There are plenty of teardowns of flagship phones and those Snapdragons could easily go for $80 for big manufacturers
                Except "Big Manufacturers" would be buying in extremely large bulk orders and would be getting a larger discount.
                Razer isn't going to be selling anywhere close to that kind of volume, so they would be paying more.

                Flagship phones are so expensive because of the need to pack so much power into such a small thermal envelope, and how expensive cellular licenses are.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The Aerith chip used with Zen 2 and RDNA2 isn't that expensive especially when it was rumored to be Microsoft Surface leftovers and small enough to be cranked for low cost on TSMC N7/N6. The defective dies become part of the supply for AMD's Mendocino and the rest of the components are negligible in price and is even cut down and compromised like the LPDDR5 ram being 5500 MT/s when top of the line stuff wasn't that much more expensive to go to 6400 MT/s and the screen being alright instead of great. My guess is that they're selling the 64 GB model at cost and making up for it with Steam revenue which is basically pure profit after taking their 30% or so cut. Just because Gabe said it was painful doesn't mean they are losing money, Valve knows what they are doing to have been able to run the largest digital storefront on the planet and it's not their first foray into hardware.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I don't think you realize how much of a bottleneck an A57 really is.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I don't, so I stand corrected.

          >but for some reason Nintendo doesn't want to make something that would sell at a premium MSRP.
          It's because Nintendo wants to sell their shit at a profit instead of the now common strategy of selling consoles at a loss and make it up in software and that's always been their philosophy. I think the Wii U was actually the only one that sold at a loss starting out. The Steam Deck fooled people into thinking you can sell shit that strong at a "low" price despite the fact that Gaben said that the pricing for the Deck was aggressive, meaning they're definitely losing money on each model.

          That's why they can make more the one version of the same system; sell a higher priced console for the customers that want something with a lot more power.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They're not that stupid.
      They'll just update it to a 2022 tablet SoC to replace the 2015 one.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      they already said they're interested in DLSS. Even if they did cheap out and it has the same power of current Switch, it would be a newer chip that has DLSS capabilities. It would actually be enough for them to make games in 4k HDR. I think they're going to get a custom 8nm Tegra from Nvidia since it will be the cheapest option in 2024 while having the biggest leap in power.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        8nm would be ridiculously shit in 2024. By 2024 5nm should be the expectation. For comparison, the higher end companies are starting to move on to 3nm already. By 2024 they'll be moving beyond that...so Nintendo on 8nm would be 3 generations of tech behind.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >8nm would be ridiculously shit in 2024. By 2024 5nm should be the expectation. For comparison, the higher end companies are starting to move on to 3nm already. By 2024 they'll be moving beyond that...so Nintendo on 8nm would be 3 generations of tech behind.
          Based on the leaks 8nm is what they're getting.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Based on the leaks 8nm is what they're getting.
            You're mistaken. The hack didn't show anything about the node. That was just an assumption the switch pro retards made because they thought it was coming out in late 2022, and 8nm is the best Nintendo could have done in late 2022. In Early 2024, 8nm would be pants on head retarded.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Well a 7.5 year cycle isn't hard to believe, I think the PS4/Xbone lasted around that long. I just feel sorry for devs who will still have to optimize for the thing for another year

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >have to optimize for the thing
      Have you played any recent switch games? They gave up on that a while ago

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They're giving up in general with any games to the system, look at the games coming this year. Third party support is going to drop like a rock for anything desirable.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >>It states that 20 million Switches are expected to be sold in 2023, that the successor is not expected until the second half of 2024
    >It's over...

    This is an analyst prediction, not a confirmation.

    There's a difference.
    >inb4cope
    I'm not saying it still has a chance, I'm just saying consider what things are before treating them as gospel.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >rumors are ok when they fit my narrative
    just like with journalists and game reviews, you morons are garden gnomes (and trannies)

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Are you saying that as a critique of the 2024 date or as a critique of hardware speculation?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      epic xD

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >It states that 20 million Switches are expected to be sold in 2023
    Not even the most delusional Nintendo executive expects this, why is Nikkei always so fast to push their retarded shit?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The whole article is Nikkei's quackery.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      are you retarded?
      Do you know how big zelda is?

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why do people think a Switch 2 will happen? Nintendo might make a brand new console.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Nintendo might make a brand new console.
      Why do people think Nintendo would just outright ditch hybrid as a form factor? Seeing a console pull NES or any of their handheld numbers works in their favor. It's not like they even hit a wall with hardware in that regard either. Tegra X1 is like 8 years old hardware and we've seen ARM is capable of much more even if not the zenith of videogame hardware, the current state of A76 or HIGHER makes 3DS look like the Magnavox Odyssey.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah Nintendo will totally go back and risk another Wii U and forget about the handheld market they dominate. They should hire you for your great ideas.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The Wii U was mostly crippled by some insanely shitty marketing that made most people think it was just an add-on to current Wii systems.
        Even then it still made a profit, so it still wasn't exactly the disaster people keep trying to say it was.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Muh marketing Durr
          I would half believe it in Japan since the average Japanese is not aware of those things about the console specs, for them it does not matter to them to play on a console or on a mobile.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There is 0 chance the switch sells 20m in 2023.
    It's on pace to sell 19m in 2022 and it's dropping rapidly. The first two weeks of 2023 sales in Japan so far have been down 40% from 2022. Sales this year will most likely be around 13-14m.

    From what I've seen of this article it seems to mostly be speculation, not a leak or anything. I still think early 2024 makes the most sense.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Switch hasn't had a price cut ever since release.

      That is still something Nintendo could do

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There's no logic in cutting the price to drag out the generation instead of just launching a new console 7 years in. Either way you're cutting the profit margin but a new console will sell more product.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The cost to make a Switch in 2017 was X
          The cost to make a Switch in 2023 is X - Y

          It heavily depends on what they want

          Also just because the console is new doesn't mean it'll sell, there's even less profit margin for launching a new console since its more expensive to produce and expensive price tag isn't very good sign for consumers

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            How much more can a new switch cost them to make? The primary changes they need to make
            GPU
            CPU
            RAM
            Internal storage

            Everything else can stay pretty much the same. At absolute most a new switch would increase the cost by $100 compared to the current one for Nintendo. If Nintendo raises the price to $400 which seems likely, then how is that any different to the profit margin compared to cutting the price $50 or more?

            Now the better argument for continuing the switch is higher software sales. But if that's the issue, Nintendo can just continue to release software for the switch as well. There's nothing stopping them from doing cross gen support. And all those switch owners will eventually buy the switch 2 and buy the new mario kart anyway.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        A price drop won't revert the decreasing sales trend, it never did for any console. Sales are going down because the system is old, most people who wanted one already have it or aren't interested in Nintendo's first party games. Nintendo isn't magically going to get ports of stuff like Elden Ring, FFXVI or REmake4 because the hardware is too weak, so enticing people who don't care for Nintendo games is already out of the question. Waiting too long is just begging for another Wii to Wii U transition.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Except that it does, especially for handhelds. Nintendo handhelds like the Switch have historically sold their most units when the price drops to around $150.
          Now inflation may have caused that number to increase since the days when Nintendo always tried to get GBA, DS, 3DS etc to $149.99.
          The goal for a handheld is always to get it to the point where Parents of young children agree to get one for each child, or reduce the age at which they'll give a child their own system.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            This used to be the case, but the switch has struck gold with the 20-40 demographic. There's no 30 year old who has to say "I guess I cant get this console for myself because it's 300 instead of 250"
            The price really isn't a very important selling point to their current audience. I mean the OLED increased the price and only added a moderately better screen and it's selling shitloads of units.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Just saying, before Nintendo does a more powerful next-gen system, I expect there to be another surge in sales from a lower-priced and more kid friendly version. Unless Nintendo thinks the Lite already fills that role as well as it can.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If Nintendo wants to clear the Mariko chipset stock for $150 then Nintendo can make a dock-only Switch. It'd be a great budget console with no battery, no screen, no joycon rails. Only bluetooth, ethernet port, WiFi, SD card slot, gamecard slot, and USB ports.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Name a single handheld that reverted from a sustained 2 year downward trend after a price drop. Name one that did it after selling over 100 million units like the Switch. That's a lot of fucking copium, the Switch isn't going to fly off the shelves because of a minority of poorfags just couldn't drop an extra $50 on the thing.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Inflation is the price cut.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How powerful will the switch 2 even need to be?
    Xbox one X tier?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      tendies and moms will buy whatever they shit out as long as it's handheld, it doesn't need to be anything in particular.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If the goal is getting modern games, trying to match the XSS when docked would be ideal. You don't really need to display native 4K to look good on a 4K TV, especially with DLSS. Even without any image reconstruction going on, native 1080p would look much nicer than the 540-720p dynamic resolution the current Switch does. For handheld mode, 720p is good enough, even if Nintendo opts for a 1080p display, so about the same as the base PS4 is adequate.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >XSS
        You mean Series S? That's impossible. It will be comparable to the Steam Deck at 15W, which is how much power the current Switch consumes when docked. Deck's GPU is pretty similar to a base PS4, the Series S is 2-3 times faster than that.

        Based on what we know about Ampere vs. RDNA2 (ie, they are very similar), my prediction is:
        -Handheld mode, 8-10W: a bit slower (30%?) than the Steam Deck on paper. In practice it'll be about the same thanks to console optimization.
        -Docked mode, 15W: comparable to the Steam Deck on paper. In practice it'll be a bit faster (30%?) thanks to console optimization. Also, with DLSS it'll be able to upscale 1080p to 4K, or maybe even run lighter games at native 4K.
        We'll see a ton of 8th-gen and even some 9th-gen ports, just like the current Switch is a 7th-gen port machine with some 8th-gen games here and there.

        That's IF they use Ampere/Orin... which is very likely. If they opt for Ada Lovelace, it'll be closer to a PS4 Pro but we won't see a Switch 2 for at least two more years.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Based on what we know about Ampere vs. RDNA2 (ie, they are very similar), my prediction is:
          But the 8nm T239 Nvidia SoC the Switch 2 is rumored to have isn't as efficient as RDNA2. Nvidia doesn't currently have anything better than that, unless maybe Nintendo waits until 2024.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >But the 8nm T239 Nvidia SoC the Switch 2 is rumored to have isn't as efficient as RDNA2
            "Rumored", meaning you pulled that from your ass? Or did you read or watch some other dipshit's post for that?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >"Rumored", meaning you pulled that from your ass? Or did you read or watch some other dipshit's post for that?
              No, meaning that's what the Switch 2 is rumored to have. Try and stay up to date.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            But on the other hand the Deck uses Zen 2, which is pretty inefficient compared to modern ARM chips. So a bigger % of the power budget is "wasted" on the CPU.
            Take my numbers with a giant grain of salt of course, it's pure (and pretty vague) speculation. My point is, it'll be able to run 8th-gen games at a resolution, framerate and level of detail ""comparable"" to the Steam Deck. Maybe some games will run at a slightly lower resolution or whatever, but it'll be similar.

            So it won't be as fast as the Series S like the other Anon hoped, but it won't be just a minor upgrade compared to the Switch 1 either. It'll be a HUGE jump in performance.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >But on the other hand the Deck uses Zen 2, which is pretty inefficient compared to modern ARM chips.
              But not compared to Nvidia's ARM chips, is what I'm saying. Watt per watt the Steam Deck outperforms the Orin chips the next Switch SoC is supposedly based on, so they're probably going to have to find some solution to that.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              On the other hand, this is Nintendo we're talking about and they could take advantage of greater performance per watt in order to run at a lower wattage and push battery life.
              I think anybody expecting the top end of what the Steam Deck is capable of will be disappointed.
              But it will probably get close enough in most titles that the mass market won't care.

              Especially if developers put in the time and effort to have NVN optimized versions of their ported game while the Steam version is still D3D11.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The Switch has better CPUs than the PS4/Xbox One but the situation has been flipped where the A78 in Orin is nowhere near the performance of Zen 2. Efficiency-wise, sure, but no way on performance, it marked AMD's 2nd biggest jump in CPU performance gen on gen from the original Zen CPUs. Maybe you won't see CPU heavy games now but they will be coming and it's going to be much more of a hurdle to overcome. Steam Deck will do okay for anything that is just single-thread limited but not multithread with half the cores of consoles and Series S won't have any issues at all.
              I agree this will get them native ports of most PS4/Xbox One generation games but I fail to see games like MSFS:2020(I know it's permenant MS exclusive but it's CPU heavy) or A Plague's Tale Requiem on there natively without heavy optimization.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nog please. Every single game on the PS5 and Xbox series X is a PS4 game ported forward and that's not going to change for years. The switch 2 will have no trouble running PS4 games at all.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The games I listed have no PS4 version, and cross generation this year is over. Not saying there aren't 9th generation games that can't be ported over but the pickings are slim and won't be comparable to the relative deluge that Nintendo fans got with the Switch.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Anon, you are cherrypicking. At least 95% of games releasing today have ps4 versions. The majority of games will not start skipping the PS4 for years.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Look at 2023 releases and tell me with a straight face this is the case.

                https://www.gamespot.com/articles/2023-upcoming-games-release-schedule/1100-6508202/

                It isn't, you delusional knucklehead. The ratio is now more like 50-50 and in AA/AAA games, it's closer to the opposite ratio at 20% crossgen, and 80% current generation only.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                ctrl+f PS4 - 98
                crtl+f PS5 - 121
                Wow the PS4 is fucking dead!

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I know, but I'm still saying the BOM is nowhere near the price of the final console due to that. Nintendo could use a BOM of 300 and sell at $399 and no one would be the wiser except for analysts who dig into it for determining "fair value" of a stock and making bank off that information.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Whoops, meant to quote

                You can not compare the costs of a phone to the cost of a console, because consoles sell software and tons of accessories. They need a bigger profit margin on the device itself.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That might be a little overly optimistic in places. "Console optimization" is much less of a thing today than it was in the past. Especially when comparing two UNIX-like systems to one another where they're both using Vulkan.
          Yes, I know Nintendo's OS is a bit less traditional than GNU/Linux, and NVN isn't strictly Vulkan 1.0, but its a long way from the bloat and shitty design of Windows and D3D.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It will be the same hardware but with overclock or a refreshed architecture (or both at the same time) and a possible gimmick, Nintendo treats its consumers like a bitch and apart from that they are based more on their exclusives than multiplatforms. so they don't need graphics or processing power, plus they can keep the profit margin close to making a switch and selling it at the same time.
    >but the leaks
    none has succeeded and layer is only prototypes or development kit that are always more powerful than the console that is sold to the public, accept it Nintendo do not release the "new" console because with the switch they continue to sell and obtain a brutal profit margin.

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I never expected any new hardware this year. BOTW2 comes out in may, and they're clearly not launching new hardware with it otherwise we would know about it already. I can see them announcing it later this year and release it in 2024.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The first BOTW reveal they literally said "BOTW is for Wiiu and the NX". You need wait for May

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    NO!!! BULLSHIT!!! THE NINTENDO SWITCH PRO HAS TO COME OUT IN HOLIDAY 2022 OR ELSE NINTENDO WILL DIE!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >expects more Switches to be sold in 2023 than in 2022. Seven fucking years after launch
    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
    Genuine retard wrote this shit.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If they lower the price and release collector's editions, their fans will continue buying, they are mentally retarded.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Some Tendie cultists bought another Switch different from their launch Switch just because the chipset was Mariko. It doesn't take much to buy another system.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They are releasing Zelda TOK and the Mario Movie, you people don't realize how the Super Mario Movie will make a huge increase in Switch sales, Illumination has the best advertisers that there are. Sonic as a franchise got a huge bump in sales when those movies were released and they sold fewer tickets and made less money than any Illumination movie ever, less than The Secret Life of Pets 2

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Early 2025 would be a death sentence for Switch 2. Part of the reason the Wii U flopped is that it launched way too late.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What you have to realize is that this article is purely speculation from industry people. It's not a leak, it's just assumptions.
      For some reason these absolute mongoloids seem to think switch sales will go up in 2023 which is laughable. We have two weeks of 2023 data in Japan so far and the switch is down 40%. Yeah it's going up alright.

      No, the switch 2 is coming by early 2024, 100%.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I honestly think they do have it penciled in for early 2025 but once they see the later half of 2023 they'll move it up

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Nintendo is not mentally retarded. They see the sales trends just like anyone else can. Switch sales in 2022 were down about 10 million from 2020. They know where it's going by 2024.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You can thank the Wii for that. Nintendo didn't think they would have to replace the Wii for at least seven or eight years, look how that turned out.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >You can thank the Wii for that. Nintendo didn't think they would have to replace the Wii for at least seven or eight years, look how that turned out.
              The Wii was a little different though. In the case of the Wii it died really suddenly and prematurely. The switch is following a very normal sales trend, dropping about 25-30% in sales every year. I'm sure Nintendo is planning for that. There's no way they genuinely believe they can sell more than 8m in 2024.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >suddenly and prematurely
                Nintendo knew by 2011 when the recession had passed and their consoles weren't flying off shelves that the Wii's time was done, but they waited 2 more years after that to replace it. It was undoubtedly late.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You cant just pop a new console out of thin air. It takes time to R&D, place orders for parts, sell it to retailers and of course make games for it. It's easy to give Nintendo some leeway with the Wii U because the Wii died a lot sooner than people expected it to.

                With the switch this is not the case. The decline of the switch has been extremely consistent. They know exactly when this thing is dying. If they don't have a product ready by 2024 they're simply incompetent.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                LMAO, if you didn't have something lined up in your hardware labs and they went fishing because the console printed money and you knew things were done as a console maker 6 years after a console released, you failed any sort of business execution which Nintendo did with the Wii to Wii U transition.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I don't think that's how hardware production works

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Nintendo is known to sit on completed products to prevent dry spells and we're probably going to see factory leaks this year regardless.

            yeah I also remember when these mongoloids thought star fox grand prix was real

            though in retrospect I wish it really existed, would have been better than no retro studios game for ten years

            They actually came up with the cope that Nintendo has an internal team to make fake leaks, amazing. Only leaks that happened were factory leaks or hours before a Direct

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I hope this is satire because my sarcasm meter is broken and I don't know if this is completely serious or just a joke.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        So based on how wrong Ganker's been about the Switch for the last few years, it's not coming then. Got it.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Ganker is not a person. I've been saying late 2023 to early 2024 for years, not based on some retard leakers but because that's when sales trends show the switch sales starting to die off. It's just common sense.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That anon is not wrong about the sales going down. No system lasts forever and by now any other company would have announced a successor already.
          The real question is whether Nintendo has finally learned how to properly handle the transition from a successful console to another or if they'll just attempt to coast and fuck everything up again.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nintendo won't launch the Switch successor early in the year and cannibalize all their holiday quarter sales.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Why would a successor cannibalize all their holiday quarter sales? It would be the new hot thing to buy if it's been out for a while. This is the same strategy Sony and Microsoft used to sell their consoles, release in November and get all the holiday sales that way. Nintendo even did it themselves with the Wii and NES in the Americas. That being said, it makes more sense they release it after the summer in August and September when there is a quiet slow period with few games.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Why would a successor cannibalize all their holiday quarter sales?
            Because people will see the new product is just around the corner and will sit on their money. There's literally zero incentive in targeting an early year release. Why the hell wouldn't you just move it up by several months into the holiday quarter and reap the benefits of buy happy consumers?
            >That being said, it makes more sense they release it after the summer in August and September when there is a quiet slow period with few games.
            And at that point why not just kick it back several months to black friday? Seriously what incentive is there to launch a console during the deadest consumer months? The Switch only did it because it was an ejection from a shit console that wasn't even selling. No other time did nintendo launch a console not in the holiday quarter in the last 20 years. GBA was launched in June 2001 and I stopped looking back further than that.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Because people will see the new product is just around the corner and will sit on their money.
              That only happens if you have no launch lineup at all, and no one especially Nintendo should be doing that at all. The only console maker that go away with it was Microsoft because of Gamepass and the software they used to make it like it was a continuous experience like a new smartphone.
              >And at that point why not just kick it back several months to black friday? Seriously what incentive is there to launch a console during the deadest consumer months?
              Because of stock buildup and that is highly needed nowadays in an era where products can not exist for months on end because of shortages. Nintendo will need time to stock up. Enthusiasts can get it early but getting the masses to adopt it will take time and getting into a similar situation as Sony and Microsoft won't bode as well for Nintendo because they rely highly on market momentum for selling their products.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >That only happens if you have no launch lineup at all
                No that will happen regardless of BC or software because that's what happens, thats how consumers reacts, and that's why consoles are launched in the holidays and not immediately after them
                >Because of stock buildup and that is highly needed nowadays in an era where products can not exist for months on end because of shortages
                You are just saying words you think will answer my question. You can build stock any time of the year. This is why LITERALLY EVERYONE builds stock and launches during the most porfitible quarter and not other quarters.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >No that will happen regardless of BC or software because that's what happens, thats how consumers reacts
                Consumers have acted very differently in the last 3 years than the past 20. Whatever Nintendo does with holiday sales and new hardware will net them great sales at this time unless we are in the midst of a recession at that point in time.
                >You can build stock any time of the year.
                Nobody has built adequate stock for any product in the last 3 years for anything that is even mildly wanted especially in the gaming space. The only thing I've seen recently that's done that was Intel's discrete GPUs and it still took them a month to normalize stock.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Consumers have acted very differently in the last 3 years than the past 20
                Source?
                >Nobody has built adequate stock for any product in the last 3 years for anything that is even mildly wanted
                Switch had its two best years in 2020 and 2021 so that's false. Are you trolling me? Or is it more important for your psyche that I agree with you than for you to be actually correct?Nothing your are saying is right. Something is off here.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Source?
                You serious?
                https://www.mckinsey.com/mgi/overview/in-the-news/shortages-of-everyday-products-have-become-the-new-normal-why-they-wont-end-soon
                Straight from a marketing consulting firm's mouth.
                >Are you trolling me?
                No but you're ignorant as shit. The Switch did not build sufficient stock levels in 2020 or and this was for something already released.
                https://www.businessinsider.com/nintendo-switch-still-sold-out-in-mid-summer-2020-7
                Moreover, they launched the OLED in 2021 and there was no stock.
                https://screenrant.com/oled-nintendo-switch-sold-out-shortage-restock-where/

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >posts nothing that has to do with launch time frames
                Wew that was a waste. Start with a thesis statement and back it with sources.

                Btw, PS5 and Xbox Series launched in the core of stock shortages and covid and were each outperforming their predecessors launch aligned. Thus you're going to have to go back to square one and find a different reason why Nintendo should abandon all logic and launch during a dead period because vaguely gesturing at stock issues and covid didn't work for you.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >*taps head*
                >no need to stock up if you launch in months where nobody buys
                tldr you're dumb as shit

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    apparently the chudera retard who claimed that third party devs had 4K devkits for the new switch since late 2020 now claims the system got cancelled last summer and there's no new hardware until 2025

    leakers were a mistake

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >trusting ~~*leakers*~~
      Remember when the Switch presentation was leaked here and they all called it fake? There's no reason to believe in those retards.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        yeah I also remember when these mongoloids thought star fox grand prix was real

        though in retrospect I wish it really existed, would have been better than no retro studios game for ten years

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I still can’t believe anyone was dumb enough to think Nintendo was going to make a star Fox racing game

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I knew it didn't exist. But man I wanted it.

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The reason for articles like these to exist is to persuade people not to buy Nintendo consoles and wait for next system launch whether it be a pro model or next gen.

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    hypothetically, would a new switch allow old titles like oddessy and splatoon 3 to run at higher framerates? or is all that shit tied to fps?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >hypothetically, would a new switch allow old titles like oddessy and splatoon 3 to run at higher framerates? or is all that shit tied to fps?
      It can make the framerate more consistent, preventing drops, but they would need to be patched to target a higher framerate. Most likely Nintendo will just offer patches to improve the resolution up to 4k and nothing else, because anything else takes a lot of work.

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    But Switch 2 was released last February, wtf are you talking about?

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Switch Pro will release in two weeks. Ronin are in control. Trust the plan. -N

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Here's your Switch 2

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      But Switch 2 was released last February, wtf are you talking about?

      OnexPlayer is the betteru Switchu 2

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No thanks would rather play it native on my Switch Oled

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Based

      No thanks would rather play it native on my Switch Oled

      I rather have 60fps

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >playing BotW on a non-OLED screen

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I love tendies saying muh oled when they were fine without it before lmao

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Do you think the Switch 2 will be backwards compatible with digital switch games?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Do you think the Switch 2 will be backwards compatible with digital switch games?
      First party games yes, third party games no.
      I highly doubt third parties would agree to transfer their games for free.

      One thing I think Nintendo might do is charge a $10 fee to "upgrade" your old game with better resolution and framerate.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I wouldn't be surprised if they just said fuck you pay full price again for these games like they did the last 2 generations

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes.
      I think it's in their best interest to make the transition as user friendly as possible.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Easily yes, Nintendo has only dropped backwards compatibility when either the architecture changed or the form factor was extremely different. Switch 2 is still going to use Nvidia ARM hardware and likely still going to be a single screen hybrid thing so there's no reason they wouldn't include it.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Even if the backwards compatibility was through an emulator or API wrapper, I think a dedicated 8 core A78C CPU can pull off emulating a 4-core A57 just fine.

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >It states that 20 million Switches are expected to be sold in 2023
    How can anyone say this considering what we know? Sales already down. BOTW2 is the single biggest game announced. No pricedrop. In what universe can it reach 20mill?

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    From things like this article and recently Digital Foundry we're starting to hear the early rumors of a new console which makes me feel like it cant be that far away (or that close either). Early 2024 is starting to feel like a very strong possibility.

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The switch 2 is 100% gonna be backwards compatible.
    First, because it pushes existing switch owners to upgrade, which sells a lot more consoles.
    Second, because it lets them keep selling old games on the next console. They can just take Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, change the box to have Switch 2 on it and keep selling that shit for $60.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Easier and more profitable to not have backwards compatibility and make Mario Kart 8 Ultimate edition so people who already own the Switch version will buy it again for $60. They can keep selling old games on the next console by just "porting" them instead of backwards compatibility.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I can see your argument but it's just not worth it. Only Wii U ports have really sold well, and that's because no one bought the Wii U. There's no gamecube port or wii port lighting up the sales charts. The only old port to do well was 3D All Stars and that's because it was a 3 for one deal. There's nothing to indicate a Mario Kart 8 4k version would sell particularly well.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Mario Kart 8 4k version would sell well if the next Switch sells well because it's Mario Kart. The Switch 2 will probably have backwards comparability though, lets not kid ourselves here.

          I wonder what the limit of this strategy is.

          The limit is if the next Nintendo system sucks and nobody buys it. Then not having backwards compatibility makes it bomb even harder.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I wonder what the limit of this strategy is.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >I wonder what the limit of this strategy is.
          The limit is that it only worked with the switch because most of the audience didn't have a Wii U. Skyward Sword HD has only sold like 4 million, which is pretty fucking low for a Zelda game post BotW.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The original Skyward Sword also sold less than 4 million. In fact it sold less than the HD re release.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              That was before Breath of the Wild. Look at how the 2D games did before BotW vs how Link's Awakening did. In fact, Link's Awakening a remake of a fucking gameboy game outsold skyward sword HD. There's just no interest in a port of a game people already played.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's noteworthy that the HD version of a Zelda game outsold the original that was released on one of the best selling consoles of all time (Wii) even if BotW made Zelda more popular.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'd probably trudge through that shit game if the HD port of a 2011 game wasn't 60 bucks. Anyone know if one of the emulators can play it well enough?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >It's noteworthy that the HD version of a Zelda game outsold the original that was released on one of the best selling consoles of all time (Wii) even if BotW made Zelda more popular.
                You are completely ignoring the context. Shitward sword is a terrible game, and it released at the end of the Wii's life when everyone had abandoned it for years. The fact the switch port barely outsold the original is not high praise, it's actually really sad.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If the game is so terrible (not denying that it is) to people than nobody should have bought the HD version, especially when it cost more than the original. Also there wasn't exactly a lot of competition when it came out on the Wii.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                More people bought a remake of a Gameboy game than it Anon.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The original Link's Awakening sold more than the remake. It's not really compatible since the remake is closer to a new game than Skyward Sword HD is.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The only reason anyone bought the port is because BotW has massively grown the Zelda brand. That was my point, that it still sold like shit despite the massive brand value Zelda has and the massive audience of the switch.

                People wanted Wii U ports because they didn't have a Wii U. No one wants Wii ports because they had a Wii. Similarly no one is gonna buy ports of Switch games to the Switch 2.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Zelda has massive brand value back when the Wii was Nintnedo's newest console, which also had a massive audience. BotW helped Zelda's popularity but the HD release of Skyward Sword still sold poorly and it still sold more than the Wii original.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Zelda has massive brand value back when the Wii was Nintnedo's newest console
                No it didn't. Twilight princess was, at the time, a mindblowing game with massive hype behind it and it sold 8 million. Breath of the wild has sold 28 million and will eventually pass 35 million at least.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It absolutely did. Zelda was one of the most iconic and well-known video game IPs back then after Mario/Pokemon/Pac-man. Breath of the Wild sales compared to old Zelda titles has more to do with the Switch's popularity and the fact that it's had far more hype around it than any zelda game than the popularity of Zelda.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >It absolutely did. Zelda was one of the most iconic and well-known video game IPs back then after Mario/Pokemon/Pac-man.
                It's unfair to compare Zelda pre-botw to Mario and Pokemon. It was absolutely not on the same scale. Back then Zelda was only popular with core gamers. And yes, core gamers loved it, it was universally praised by that group. But it didn't expand into the broader audience until botw.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >It's unfair to compare Zelda pre-botw to Mario and Pokemon. It was absolutely not on the same scale.
                Yeah that's why I said after Mario and Pokemon. Compared to every other video game IP Zelda was one of the most popular ones, even among the 'broader audience'.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's the thing though, back then the broader audience was only into a handful of games like Mario and Pokemon, which is also why consoles usually didn't sell that much - the ps1 and ps2 being an exception because they were a cd and dvd player respectively. Back then video games were just something you bought for your son.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Zelda was hardly a niche unknown brand even amongst people who weren't into video games back then. Literally only Disney-tier brands like Mario and Pokemon were more popular at the time.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                People know about Donkey Kong too, that doesn't mean the games are a massive brand. Zelda really wasn't *that* big back then. If I had to compare it to something today, maybe something like God of War would be appropriate. A lot of people know about that and it sells a good number but it's not massive.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Zelda was a more massive brand than Donkey Kong after the arcade era ended. It was easily more massive than God of War was even today and pre-BotW sales back this.

                It's like claiming X-Men was only known amongst 'core' comic book fans simply because Batman Superman and Spider-Man were more popular.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Twilight princess was, at the time, a mindblowing game with massive hype behind it
                No it wasn't.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Also the game is just as mediocre as it was in 2011 and cost more.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Nobody bought a Wii U, that's the only reason why it worked.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Far more people bought a PS3 than a Wii U and it worked for PS4. The Xbone got backwards compatability and it barely made half as many sales for microsoft, it would have been the worst selling console of last gen if it wasn't for the Wii U.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Far more people bought a PS3 than a Wii U and it worked for PS4
              Completely false equivalency. TLoU itself only sold about 7 million units on the PS3, it was far from having the same attach ratio that is normal for the big Switch titles. That's not even mentioning the fact that the PS4 got a large share of the 360's audience, which never played those games before.
              >The Xbone got backwards compatability and it barely made half as many sales for microsoft
              Backwards compatibility had nothing to do with the Xbone failing. Don Mattrick being a moron and sabotaging it before release, then forcing the Kinect shit, was what killed the system.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Backwards compatibility had nothing to do with the Xbone failing.
                It didn't stop it from failing. Even when Don Mattrick left the company and they dropped the Kinect the Xbone still sold poorly. Backwards compatibility didn't help it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No shit, Sherlock. It's almost like people are more likely to buy the well established console getting more new games and that their friends also own. How is that relevant to the discussion of people buying remastered Switch games again in a Switch 2?

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nintendo is just going to release a dongle to stream games on the TV. There is no Switch Pro.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why do people think a Switch 2 will happen? Nintendo might make a brand new console.

      Nintendo is never making a home console ever again. Switch 2 will either be a portable or more likely a hybrid "console" that is still ultimately portable.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >dongles are home consoles
        Rent free.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          ??????

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    one thing is for sure if there's no new model this year I'm emooolating, tired of giving money to these turbogarden gnomes to play games in sub 720p

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That sucks, means I won't get to play Tears of the Kingdom until late 2024. No way I'm buying a Switch this late in the cycle after I played virtually all its good games on the Wii U.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You didn't wait to buy the Wii U (at least, long enough for you have the same issue like you have now), but you waited for the Switch?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I bought the Wii U as an impulse buy because Tropical Freeze looked so good to me. I kept waiting for the Switch to give me a reason to do the same but it never happened. Metroid Dread was released too late in the console's life. I know I'll be able to play it on whatever comes next along with TotK.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Now I understand.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      at this point the vast majority of the Switch's good games aren't on the Wii U and it's been this way for some years now
      t. liked the Wii U

  30. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's literally coming out in May

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, May 2024

  31. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Good. I just got a oled switch for Christmas from my grandparents

  32. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't even know why we're debating this. Nintendo has been very clear that they plan for a "smooth transition" from the switch to its successor and there is no way to have a smooth transition without backwards compatibility.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      We're debating for the sake of it. I already said the Switch successor will probably have backwards compatibility.

  33. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is it that time of year again? Where everyone comes out of the woodwork with their 'insider' info, right?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Is it that time of year again? Where everyone comes out of the woodwork with their 'insider' info, right?
      It's moreso that the insiders are shitting their pants. They predicted for years there would be a pro, but now that we're getting into 2023 with no pro in sight they're all finally admitting it doesn't exist, but trying to make excuses for it.

  34. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Furukawa repeated numerous times that the Switch is only halfway through its lifespan.

    5 more years of Switch. Cope.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      0% chance Nintendo doesn't release a successor to the Switch in the next half decade.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Furukawa repeated numerous times that the Switch is only halfway through its lifespan.
      I don't know how many times people need to be told this but the lifespan of a console is not how long until the next one comes out. The 3DS lasted 2 years after the switch came out. With the switch's massive audience it could last 3 or even 4 years. I'd expect the switch to have a lifespan of around 11 years. But that doesn't mean a successor will wait 11 years to release.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You are aware that the Switch can still be sold while the successor is out, right?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      never believe what they say, it's all marketing speak. they could release a new console and still technically be supporting the Switch

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This is likely, but that situation rarely lasts longer than it takes Nintendo to scale the new system down to a more affordable price point.
        So if the Switch has five years of life left, expect the new system to launch when there's a year or two left of that.

        Honestly wouldn't be surprised if the Switch platform has an afterlife for Nintendo even after the system itself exits the market in budget novelty systems.

  35. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If nvidia keep pricegouging their chips nintendo will most likely just side with samsung or amd to make their next console.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nvidia has to price gouge on their desktop chips because they don't actually sell many of them, nor do they want to sell a ton of them because their margins are often not actually that great. They're frequently simply a halo project for the brand to grab headlines for their more mainstream hardware, or for their High Performance Computing products.
      Massive bulk orders of cheap SOC chips has entirely different economics.

      Having finally gotten their foot in the door of the console market with the Switch, Nvidia is going to be very reluctant to screw Nintendo over.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nvidia has 30-40% margin of profit on their desktop GPUs ever since ampere. That's a stupidly high profit margin and the only reason they don't sell many of them anymore is because they're clinging to that profit margin even in a market where crypto miners aren't buying.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Keep in mind when you talk about profit margin that a fuckload of money goes into creating these things.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That's no different than their SOCs. Nvidia is addicted to high margins on their desktop CPUs to the point where they're willing to knee cap their

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      x86 just does not compete with ARM on efficiency and other ARM supplies make Nvidia look like a fucking saint
      It's very unlikely Switch 2 won't use Nvidia

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's the opposite.
      Switch literally saved the Tegra division, so NVidia will make everything they can to make Nintenod happy.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        nintendo's business is even more important for them now that gpu demand is down for this generation of cards

  36. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Rumors about a rumor being a rumor

    Can you dumb attention seeking gays stop doing this shit?

  37. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Looks like tendies will be stuck with 720p 30fps for another year.

  38. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Assuming nintendo makes the design similar, what would you add to the switch 2 to make it seem like a worthy upgrade? Analogue triggers maybe?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I dont need a new gimmick, just more powerful hardware and sticks that dont drift after a few months of use

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The main thing is I just want a next-gen upgrade. I loath the idea of playing TotK on my launch Switch. Having to wait until late 2024 for a next-gen Switch will be painful the next two years.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Wireless HDMI for dockless TV video output and VR headset compatibility.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        More shit to drain the battery, genius idea!

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You can put the system in a charging cradle or plug in the power plug. Its mostly used to connect to the VR headset which requires the system to be docked anyway.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This.

        Buy the system.
        Buy a Nintendo HDMI dongle for the TV.

        Dongle allows games to their signal onto the TV wirelessly.
        Multiple systems running the same game can put their signal on the TV simultaneously.
        Or Games can select to only put a single 'host' system signal on screen.

        So if you have a 4k TV and you want to show 9 player MarioKart on it that will be 4k because you'll have 9 systems all streaming 720p signals to it.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      nvme support would be great

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I feel Nintendo has plans to add a camera to incorporate AR into some of their games. Nintendo loves its gimmicks and while the idea of VR is still niche, AR has the potential to bring in new ideas to their existing/potential franchises. That and they saw the success of Pokémon GO and they want a bigger piece of the pie.
      tl;dr Face Raiders sequel coming to the Switch 2

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I feel like they could rehash the Wii U idea of pulling out the screen to play like a switch but with the bonus function of also still being able to play on the TV and use it as a wii u type gamepad.

  39. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Late 2024 honestly sounds too early in my opinion, I think its not gonna release until 2025

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It sold about 19 million in 2022. It's likely gonna sell like 14 million in 2023, and 2024 should fall to around 8 million. Do you think they ride that out? I don't. I think they'd be retarded to. They can handle a 14 million year. But 8 million? Nah.

  40. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    PRIME 4 LAUNCH TITLE?????

  41. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hope it's as hackable as the launch OG Switch. Free games getting me through rising cost of living

  42. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Game Boy Advance, DS, and 3DS all had 9 year lifespans, so I just assumed the Switch, their next handheld, would also have a nine year lifespan. So from 2017, that would be 2026. So 2024 is a bit too early to me.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >GBA released 2001
      >DS released 2004
      >3DS released 2011
      the lifespan of a console has nothing to do with when the successor releases

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ok, then going by that pattern, the Switch 2 would likely come out around 2025.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          2024 more like

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >DS Released 2004
        Don’t forget Nintendo rushed the fuck out of the Nintendo DS since they were scared of the PSP

  43. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >hardware monkeys screeching that switch is weak and underpowered
    >still best selling console in the world
    lol, switch 2 never

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >hardware monkeys want better hardware
      >Forspoken is running at 720p sub 30 FPS on the PS5

      lol

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        People had fun with games since the 8bit era, your meme graffix don't matter. 720p is fine for gaming. The fact people continue to buy Switches proves it. You're part of a cult that worships expensive hardware for its own sake and are trying to convince people to stop enjoying video games and join you in worshiping Nvidia.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That’s because luminous isn’t a shit engine. It had a ton of problems when FFXV was made, and that was a game people actually wanted to play. Nobody wants Forspoken.
        100% the Luminous engine will be canned once Forspoken bombs

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's the best selling handheld in the world.

  44. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Never trust Nintendo making consoles

  45. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Deckchads stay winning

  46. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I wish retards would realize that a system can still sell a lot while being in decline.

    The switch sold 19 million this year, that's a lot of fucking consoles. It's also a massive drop of 10 million from 2 years prior. Sales are also down 40% this year (2023) so far in Japan. It's not hard to map this out and see that sales are going to be too low to sustain by 2024.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      PS4 is still being sold despite the PS5 being out for over 2 years, too
      These timelines don't account for overlap

  47. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >closes it with a single grain of sand inside
    >screen ruined forever

  48. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No shit. Nintendo wouldn't launch big EAD games like Zelda, Pikmin, not to mention games with long term support like Splatoon, and then a new console immediately after.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      that's fucking retarded

      what are they supposed to do, not launch games on their old system with a 120 million install base? even if they had a new console planned this year you'd still have a cross gen period, look what happens with ps5 and the new xbox

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Is this your first Nintendo console? The months before the launch of a new system are filled with cheap outsourced games, spinoffs and ports, NOT big games developed in-house by Nintendo themselves.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          they released botw at the end of the wii u's life and there's no "big games" scheduled for 2023 outside of totk (no pikmin isn't a big game it's niche)

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            BotW was crossgen. The new Zelda isn't. And yes, Pikmin is a big game, developed in-house.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            botw was the only wii u game releasing at that point, and that's simply because they delayed it to coincide with the switch release.

  49. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    End of 2023 (After 3 years, mid of generation) = PS5 Pro and Xbox Series XX

    So Switch 2 will launch together to compete

  50. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Switch 2

    For what purpose it's just another poorly powered Nintendo console with shit GPU and CPU so barely any graphically intense games can be ported to it so Ninten yearolds just have to play Nintendo's shitty Pokemon empty world games for another 5 years

  51. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nintendo definitely doesn't need a new console, but it wouldn't really hurt, either.

    It seems the new normal for consoles is to release the new one and just make it backwards compatible so it an play the old games while they phas eout the older console. That's what Nintendo should do, release the "Super Switch" that is backwards compatible, and slowly phase out the switch over the next 2 years.

  52. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Thinking Nintendo will even CONSIDER upgrading the Switch in 2024
    lol, they don't care about low specs or improving its QoL as long as kiddies keep buying the latest Super Mario bing bing cash-grabs. Have fun playing exclusives at 30 fps until 2027

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I mean, a Switch is portable and also considerably cheaper than the PS5 disc edition. You can’t have it all.
      Nintendo haven’t been graphically competitive since 2001. And they haven’t needed to be - just look at the sales of the Wii and the Switch. They have their market and clearly appeal to it.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nintendo are the only ones still left playing in the traditional console market. Sony for the fifteen years or so, and Microsoft since the start of the Xbox have been trying to move into a "PC Killer" market, to replace PC gaming with something much more closed and entirely under their control.
        Of course, now its really starting to look like there isn't going to be any space in the market for "PC killers" because Microsoft is no longer going to be able to hold the PC back since devices like the Deck can exist.

  53. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If they don't improve their damn hardware their games will keep getting bottlenecked like Xenoblade 3

  54. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You know what I just thought about? The fact that the next console will be the only console Nintendo releases in the 2020s. That's never happened before

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What makes you think it will be their only new system?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The fact that they abandoned making dedicated home consoles.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Because 6 years would be a short lifespan, powerful hardware matters less now than ever before, as the switch is proving. Also because going back to splitting handheld and home consoles would be a horrible mistake for them.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >powerful hardware matters less now than ever before, as the switch is proving
          Switch hardware was relatively powerful by handheld standards when it released.

  55. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So i can buy one, play the new Zelda AND have access to the early version exploits? Nice

  56. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why are Switch Too mockups always so stupid?

  57. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  58. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Switch bros, how's The Diofield Chronicle?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The game itself or how it runs on Switch?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        game itself - i've been craving an rpg but not sure what to get

  59. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    NINTENDO SWITCH 2 NINTENDO SWITCH 2 NINTENDO SWITCH 2 NINTENDO SWITCH 2 NINTENDO SWITCH 2 NINTENDO SWITCH 2 NINTENDO SWITCH 2 NINTENDO SWITCH 2 NINTENDO SWITCH 2 NINTENDO SWITCH 2 NINTENDO SWITCH 2 NINTENDO SWITCH 2

  60. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't need fake rumors to tell me that the Switch successor is years away.

  61. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Well if the leaked specs were true, it will probably be Nintendo's most underpowered console yet relative to release time. DLSS 2 doesn't just magically give you free frames.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nah, it'll at least be as powerful as an SD865 only with an NVIDIA GPU instead of an Adreno 650

  62. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There is no Switch 2

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You're absolutely right.
      Nintendo isn't going to call it the Switch 2, it's not good for branding.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It just needs a different name that communicates the same featureset as the Switch, just with more power.

        And maybe 1 or 2 new gimmicks. The trick is to make it a dumb little revolutionary gimmick that brings in casuals, but can be ignored after launch year for normal play. Like how the 3DS eventually ignored 3D and the Switch ignored IR sensing and HD rumble and whatnot.

        The Wii U failed because the name was bad, the featureset wasn't properly explored, and it was too tied to its identity to simply ignore later on.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Super Nintendo Switch

  63. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >20 million Switches are expected to be sold in 2023

    The toy business model is a good one. Children keep breaking these things and their parents have to buy another to shut them up. The average kid has probably had 3+ Switches by now.

  64. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    test

  65. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nintendo’s not going to announce jack shit until EVERYONE buys TotK and they maximize profits on that game.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not that it means anything but assuming ToTK keeps its release date, the game is due before E3.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nintendo likes to launch new systems in the Spring at the start of Q2 when they have their new fiscal year. Even if a new console was coming, there is no way they'd announce it so far in advance, especially with the holiday season.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's already been rated by the esrb. It's done.

  66. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That Kirby game is a good sign of how obsolete the Switch is. A relatively simple game where the camera is more or less fixed, made by a first party softhouse, and yet it only aims for 30 fps (and sometimes fails to reach this frame rate).
    That's unacceptable. We are no longer in the N64 era where the hardware was experimental garbage and nobody could do anything useful with it. Nintendo needed to at least be able to offer stable 60fps in fixed camera games with stylized graphics.

  67. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No hall effect sensors, no buy. Not at that price, sorry. Until they do, the WiiU is my last Nintendo console. Since it went public, this company has been freefalling. Put it this way. remember when Nintendo meant quality? And by that I also mean hardware? Yeah well these days they have the same cheap parts as an unbranded controller. At several times the price just for a replacement.

    For me, this is completely unacceptable.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >No hall effect sensors, no buy
      What are you talking about, anon?

      >remember when Nintendo meant quality?
      This has always been an illusion. When it comes to hardware, Nintendo has ALWAYS been garbage. The quality is in the software it produces, but honestly even that has been pretty dubious recently. The company is still among the best, look Mario Odyssey or Zelda BOTW. But at the same time it's trying to sell low budget games for $60 like they are the best things in the world. Nintendo's entire sports series are becoming low quality cashgrabs, I don't know how people are accepting to pay premium prices for games with no quality, no soul, no content.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He's talking about HES analog control sticks like the Dreamcast had. They're rumored to be drift proof.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >He's talking about HES analog control sticks like the Dreamcast had. They're rumored to be drift proof.
          They are drift proof and they still exist, you can install them on the Steam Deck.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I wonder how well they'll do on Joycons since bluetooth radio equipment is jammed in there.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The Onexplayer 2 is a handheld PC that has detachable bluetooth controllers that use hall effect sensors, but the controllers are fucking huge. I don't know if the two are related.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There's Hal replacement sticks for Joycons. We'll have to wait and see. The new Joycons could be thicker for better HD rumble, speaker, and microphone.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Since it went public, this company has been freefalling.
      You mean since 1962?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Autism: the post

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >WiiU is my last Nintendo console
      >remember when Nintendo meant quality? And by that I also mean hardware?
      kek the wii u is the biggest piece of dogshit and one of the worst examples of "quality"

  68. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I hope the Super Switch or Ultra Switch has more processing power to allow more complicated games. And by complicated I mean more processes running at once.

  69. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    2024 is the year when next gen properly starts at last. PS5 will be getting next gen games and Switch successor will be out.

  70. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Isn't their current console on track to be the highest selling console ever? Why would they release a new one?

  71. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Switch 2
    It's not coming at all

  72. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why would I want a Switch 2?

  73. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >that the successor is not expected until the second half of 2024
    Ive been saying this for well over a year

  74. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder, the same retards predicting late 2024 in this article also think Nintendo will sell 20m consoles in 2023, even though if normal trends continue it will sell around 15m.

  75. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Would 16 gigs of RAM be overkill in a handheld?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Would 16 gigs of RAM be overkill in a handheld?
      16 is unlikely unless this piece of shit isn't coming out until 2025. 12 is much more reasonable and my current expectation.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >16 is unlikely unless this piece of shit isn't coming out until 2025. 12 is much more reasonable and my current expectation.
        Why do you say that? 16GB is the minimum for handheld PCs, including the Steam Deck.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I know 8 gigs is not enough for modern game ports. So I'm thinking 16 gigs would be bare-minimum as long as the processor can handle it. I guess 12 is doable but aren't 12 gig sticks of RAM pricy?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >16 is unlikely unless this piece of shit isn't coming out until 2025. 12 is much more reasonable and my current expectation.
          Why do you say that? 16GB is the minimum for handheld PCs, including the Steam Deck.

          The Series S only has 10gb of RAM. 12gb would also be much closer to the competition than the switch was. the Switch had 4 compared to the ps4's 8, so it would be a gap of only 2gb and a lot of that could be overcome simply by having a slimmer OS.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Sorry it would be a gap of 4gb not 2 compared to ps5, my mistake. Nonetheless 12vs16 much smaller gap than 4vs8

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Sorry it would be a gap of 4gb not 2 compared to ps5, my mistake. Nonetheless 12vs16 much smaller gap than 4vs8

            I always thought RAM had to be divisible by 4 or 8. I guess 12 gigs of RAM follows that. But I'm stupid. If 12 gigs don't drain as much power as 16 gigs then it should be fine. Assuming the APU has enough memory bandwith to utilize all 12 gigs of RAM.

            They'll probably just make the cartridges bigger, seems like the easiest solution to increase storage space.

            The cartridges can be wider for more contacts for faster loading. Then we have the question of how to fit older Switch games in wider card slots.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes and no, depends a lot on your use case scenario. For something like the Steam Deck, 16GB is necessary simply because it's a portable PC, it's going to do more than just play games and specific applications can use a shitload of RAM. For a new Switch there's really not much point, the system will be bottlenecked by the GPU and memory bandwidth long before it can make use of 4K textures or anything of the sort and there's not really much else going on, Nintendo won't even add a web browser. 8-12GB seems adequate.

      I know 8 gigs is not enough for modern game ports. So I'm thinking 16 gigs would be bare-minimum as long as the processor can handle it. I guess 12 is doable but aren't 12 gig sticks of RAM pricy?

      Handhelds use LPPDR5 memory, 12GB should cost about $40 nowadays, probably cheaper. Here's an example from a 3 year old phone with that same amount of memory.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        BOM doesn't equate to final cost. You have to factor in R&D and etc. which won't pay for itself if you only make $50 per phone. Not saying that they couldn't be cheaper, but there was a reason why even cheap flagship phones are now $700-800 from Xiaomi and other Chinese phonemakers.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You can not compare the costs of a phone to the cost of a console, because consoles sell software and tons of accessories. They need a bigger profit margin on the device itself.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Nintendo won't even add a web browser. 8-12GB seems adequate.
        While I agree with everything else you said 8gb in early 2024 or later would absolutely not be acceptable.
        That would be utterly embarrassing by that timeframe.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'm not that other anon.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          So 15 million Switch sales in 2023 and 12-15 million in 2024? I think the Switch will see a big spike because of Zelda, so 18 million tops for 2023 is reasonable.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I think the Switch will see a big spike because of Zelda, so 18 million tops for 2023 is reasonable.
            It's not reasonable. Based on sales numbers the switch sold around 19 million in 2022, which was down 4 million from the year before. The absolute highest I can see for 2023 is 16 million, but 14 is what I'd predict right now.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Based on sales numbers the switch sold around 19 million in 2022
              Source?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It sold 3.43m in q1 and 3.25 in q1. This was a drop of about 20% from the prior year. Assuming Q3 drops 20%, it would fall to 8.56m and q4 would fall to 3.28m. All together that puts it on track for around 18.52m. So anywhere from 18m to 19m is the reasonable expectation right now.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ok, I believe you. You backed up your post using info. Honestly, you're better at this than I am. What do you think the Switch will be end of life?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I assume you meant when, and based on sales trends I see late 2023 to early 2024 as the most logical window for a new console. Late 2024 is possible but less likely, it basically requires Nintendo to sell nothing for most of a year for no real reason. I only see them doing that if they have to because the software or hardware isn't ready.

                God fucking dammit wrong link:

                https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_Drive

                Yes, it's based on the Nvidia Drive AGX Orin

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I assume you meant when,
                No, I meant if you think the Switch's end of life sales will be at 130M or 140M. Don't really play my Switch often, but follpwing these sales threads has been kinda fun. Sucks that it's about to end.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >No, I meant if you think the Switch's end of life sales will be at 130M or 140M. Don't really play my Switch often, but follpwing these sales threads has been kinda fun. Sucks that it's about to end.
                It's around 120m right now
                14m 2023
                7m 2024 (I'm assuming they announce and release the next console which tanks sales)
                4m after that
                for 145m total
                but this is just a guess

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                See

                Nintendo won't launch the Switch successor early in the year and cannibalize all their holiday quarter sales.

  76. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There are people who are still waiting for a "Switch Pro"/"New Switch" and are convinced it's "just around the corner" seven years down the line. Never underestimate retards.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They were never going to buy a Switch anyway. Watch how the next gen system uses solid state drives for cartridges and its incompatible with physical Switch games.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They'll probably just make the cartridges bigger, seems like the easiest solution to increase storage space.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There were also people waiting for a Wii U Pro where the Gamepad is replaced with a pro controller. There seems to be some strange pattern of:
      >"I will wait for the upgrade"
      >"I will wait for the pro version"
      >"I will wait for it to get cheaper"
      >"I will wait for the stronger hardware"
      >"wait why are they announcing a new console?"

  77. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Switch 2 isn't coming at all

  78. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why do people think a Switch 2 is happening and not a completely new type of console?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Why do people think a Switch 2 is happening and not a completely new type of console?
      Because Nvidia was hacked and we've seen the console's GPU and CPU.

  79. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Normalfags won't buy the new thing. Nintendo somehow managed to win over the types of people who don't play video games, which they haven't been able to do since the Wii.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Normalfags won't buy the new thing. Nintendo somehow managed to win over the types of people who don't play video games, which they haven't been able to do since the Wii.
      That's not the case. If you look at who bought it it's all people 20-40 years old, the core demographic. The PS4 probably got more casuals buying in than the switch did.

  80. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nintendo doesn't chase power, they chase gimmicks

  81. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's not coming out as long as the Switch continues to make money.

  82. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why are you fags so hellbent on thinking there's a new Switch console anytime soon?
    The Switch still has two years on it at least.

  83. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    FUCK THE SWITCH!

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      leave her alone
      do not fuck the switch you sick bastard

  84. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    a yes the same rumors saying a switch pro was releasing 2 years ago

  85. 2 weeks ago
    SEXO

    fuck off ps5 chud

  86. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder that the 3DS was supposed to use an older Tegra SoC but the deal fell through at the last minute. Nintendo clearly wants to work with Nvidia but they aren't going to fall for gnomish tricks.

  87. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They better hope Switch 2 takes off like the first one and has close enough specs to the Series S that they can get third party support again.

  88. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    no shit, if nothing was said last year what makes you think it would release this year? morons

  89. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I haven't even bothered with the Switch 1. Why break a habit of a lifetime.

  90. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Zelda coming out so can expect new system within a year

  91. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Until 2024
    >Featuring hardware from 2010 with a new gimmick nobody asked for that only a few first party tiles will use

  92. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I already own a switch 2

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Good shit anon

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Where is the ick?

  93. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-01-20/nintendo-switch-production-boost-set-to-defy-industry-forecasts
    Yeah a 2023 launch for the Switch's successor is absolutely not in the books.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I think their consistent stance on not releasing a successor is whats helping their console sell. Only a few autists are skipping the Switch because they have been waiting for a Switch 2 since 2017

  94. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I bought a switch a few months ago just to catch up on some games. should I sell this bitch now?

  95. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I am so unimaginably sick of utter retards acting like switch sales have been stable the last few years when they've dropped by 10 fucking million in 2 years. TWO YEARS, 10 MILLION. That's what we call a heavy decline. Some might describe that as "tanking"

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      2020 was the pandemic, and everything has been on a decline since then. 28 million in a year is insane, and 20-18 million is pretty fucking strong regardless.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >2020 was the pandemic, and everything has been on a decline since then. 28 million in a year is insane, and 20-18 million is pretty fucking strong regardless.
        You might have an argument except the decline has been consistent and gradual, not a spike when things reopened. The first two weeks of 2023 have been absolutely brutal in particular, it's down a whopping 40% year over year so far, that's not the kind of trend that inspires confidence.

  96. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Thank god Valve and several other Chinese manufacturers are making powerful "portable" devices. That will force nintendo to make a better console, hopefully. People didn't mind BOTW running like shit, but later releases like Bayonetta 3 and SV made people complain about performance.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >That will force nintendo to make a better console, hopefully
      Historically, not a chance.
      >and SV made people complain about performance.
      Game Freak could be working with high-end PC's exclusively and they'd still shit out a rushed, crusty game.

  97. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What will the inevitable nu gimmick be? Hopefully it's as throwaway as 3D on the 3DS or HD Rumble.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >What will the inevitable nu gimmick be? Hopefully it's as throwaway as 3D on the 3DS or HD Rumble.
      Nintendo consoles
      >NES
      No gimmick
      >SNES
      No gimmick
      >N64
      No gimmick
      >Gamecube
      No gimmick
      >Wii
      gimmick
      >Wii U
      gimmick
      >Switch
      No gimmick

      Consoles based on who launched them
      >NES
      Not Iwata
      >SNES
      Not Iwata
      >N64
      Not Iwata
      >Gamecube
      Not Iwata
      >Wii
      Iwata
      >Wii U
      Iwata
      >Switch
      Not Iwata

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Switch
        Several gimmicks.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's just a handheld with HDMI out. That's not a gimmick unless a laptop is also a gimmick. Iwata was the one pushing gimmicks, it's extremely obvious.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I don't get your arbitrary distinction, wasn't the Switch in large parts the last work of Iwata?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >I don't get your arbitrary distinction, wasn't the Switch in large parts the last work of Iwata?
          Yes and no. Iwata died roughly 2 years before the switch came out. So I'm sure he had a hand it it but a lot was also likely decided after his death. It's very hard to say how much he did with it, but what is fair to say is that the Wii, DS, Wii U and 3DS were all 100% him.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >eshop & virtual console
        Iwata.
        >rental service to play older titles, no possibiltyof paying a one-time fee to permanently install such titles
        Not Iwata.

  98. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'd bet on Holiday 2024, real availability in 2025, Switch still getting a tapering number of new releases into 2027 and 2028.

  99. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nintendo will be handheld forever now so I don't expect much from them. Maybe they can be really stupid and try to get into vr.

  100. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm not expecting Ultra Switch to run 4k 120fps docked. I'm not expecting it to run 720p 30fps with modern games like Cyberpunk 2077. What I do want is the hardware to run more complicated games. Not really bigger worlds but more complicated game physics and logic. I also want quality of life improvments with the system's form. Joycons suck. I want better controllers. I want touch screen to matter. I also want to play games on the TV while I have the console in hand without docking. I want Gameboy and GBA games. I want a gigabit ethernet connection for better online games.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I want touch screen to matter
      What do you mean by this? I recently played a puzzle game on Switch called Picross X and I had great fun playing it with touchscreen controls. Same goes for VNs.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What I'm thinking of is the UI on the main menu. I'd like to navigate it better with touch screen.

        It will run 1080p 30fps with the image AI upscaled to 4k. You can complain about that but it's a vast improvement over the switch which runs most games 720p-900p with dynamic resolution.

        I thought AI upscailing would work better at 720p. Either way in handheld mode the screen is going to be 720p.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It will run 1080p 30fps with the image AI upscaled to 4k. You can complain about that but it's a vast improvement over the switch which runs most games 720p-900p with dynamic resolution.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I just want it to run good Nintendo first party game at higher resolutions and better frame rates. What else matters on a Nintendo console?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The framerate is not happening but you'll get DLSS 4k.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'll take 720p if it means consistent 60fps in handheld mode with better lighting.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >I'll take 720p if it means consistent 60fps in handheld mode with better lighting.
          If Nintendo actually got balls they'll go for 800p by making the screen 16:10 like Valve did with the Steam Deck.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Its gotta be a TV resolution for docked mode. One thing I would love is cross-platform LAN play between some Ultra Switch and Steam Deck games.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Load times.
        Switch can do way better than it does with better memory bandwidth to name an examp

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Metroid Dread opn cartridge was so dreadful because of the absurdly long loading times it would sometime have.

  101. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it's really about to be 7 years huh

  102. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I just want the switch 2 with a better processor not a completely new system
    there’s already so much potential in that name for marketing
    >switch to the switch 2!
    will sell a grillion for that tagline alone

  103. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No shit, retards actually thought a new Switch was releasing this year? lol.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Retards have been saying "Switch 2" since 2019. It's ridiculous.

  104. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    New Gamexplain video just dropped, they are doubling up on Switch production this year (abandoning any hope of a Switch 2 for now) REST IN PEPPERONI BAYBEEEE

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      BASED!!! NO NEW NINTENDO SWITCH 2 UNTIL 2030!!!

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        YEAH GRAPHICS FAGS AND PROGRESS FAGS LOSE AGAIN! XD

  105. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nintendo are going to create a world where Nintendo Switch lasts forever...

  106. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    One thing is certain. We'll be hearing news about new hardware from Nintendo within the next year or so since they're shutting down the Wii U and 3DS eshops come March of this year.

  107. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Should i sell my switch games then? I don't really like my switch to be honest, only games i liked were oddssey, mk8d and forgotten land, even botw was mid.
    I really fucking hope they make the next system better

  108. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Based
    Switch still has plenty of life left in it.

  109. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Will be mogged by Deck 2

  110. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Who fucking cares in a world where we have the Steam Deck?

    I don't even own a Deck, but why the fuck would you buy a Nintendo product when you know it's going to be less of everything compared to Steams handheld?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Anyone who wants Nintendo's exclusives.
      Also they'll probably add some kind of new gimmick to set it apart other than just improved graphics.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Anyone who wants Nintendo's exclusives.
        Emulation.
        >Also they'll probably add some kind of new gimmick
        Yawn.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Already have a laptop

  111. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Can we PC master race post with the Steam Deck yet?

  112. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    As someone who owned the original Switch, it's just not worth Nintendos bullshit.

    Get a Deck and emulate whatever they put out.

  113. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    My wishlist for a new switch:
    >for current switch games, run them in dock mode while being portable on the next, so most issues would be fixed and higher resolutions overall
    >upscalling to 4k with AI or some shit on the TV, graphics doesnt concern me but the current switch looks like ass on 4K TVs
    >Big system update with a lot of missing features (Chat, folders, better game managment, themes)
    >More systems on NSO, better emulation, rewind on n64, filters, change the fucking background.
    >the resolution on the current switch is fine, but a good screen like with the oled should be a must,
    >more battery options, power saving modes and stuff.
    That, aside from a specs bump to a steamdeck tier or similar should do it for me. Im a simple man

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's cute that people still hope for shit like this from Nintendo.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Look. We're not getting a new Nintendo system until 2030. And by then the world will have moved onto stream only video game consoles. You won't be able to download video games anymore.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >for current switch games, run them in dock mode while being portable
      It's basically guaranteed.
      >upscalling to 4k with AI or some shit on the TV
      Yep.
      >Big system update with a lot of missing features
      I doubt they give a shit.
      >More systems on NSO
      Maybe? Why not.
      >better emulation
      Not gonna happen.
      >a good screen
      My schizo theory is that all those "leakers" weren't wrong: Nintendo WAS planning to launch a Switch 2 / Pro, but then COVID happened. Those bigger OLED screens were meant for that cancelled new console, but since they already ordered them from Samsung they had to do something with them.
      So my prediction is that the Switch 2 is going to use the same exact screen as the Switch OLED.
      >bump to a steamdeck tier
      There are a bunch of Anons speculating about this in this very thread. Consensus seems to be: not as fast as the Deck, but close. Close enough to run the same games at a comparable level of quality, like what Xbox One was to PS4.

  114. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Im not planning on buying it but they should call it the super Nintendo switch. Or plainly the super Nintendo 2 just to kick everyone's fucking ass for being a bitch and bitching about it!

    Anyways I got a switch pro already and I will buy the switch pro 2 when that comes out

  115. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah no shit we've been telling this every year now. Infact it may even come in 2025. Nintendo almost always makes a console/handheld for a 10 year pediod. Look how long the fucking gaymboy was around and i doubt they want to fall into the same traps sony did with lack of consoles and games. So expect maybe a 2 year pediod after the next zelda game. Maybe even longer

  116. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Steam deck will not be beat until steam 2

    In the meantime I will be playing my steam backlog + Kino emulation.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      My laptop is better

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes you said this already

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Because it's still true

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Because it's still true

        Isn't playing with your notebook more uncomfortable than with a gaming platform that is meant to be portable?
        I don't see the same comfort playing with a notebook with a mouse, or with an extra controller, than having something like the nintendo switch or ps vita, with the controller already included, with a touch screen, and smaller than your notebook

  117. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    has anyone played their Switch on a plane with the Switch Pro controller

  118. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Plebbit
    >Leaks
    >Rumours
    Fuck off zoomer

  119. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >switch 2 comes out
    >it's literally just 2 switches

  120. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Anything regarding a new console will happen when they stop supporting it officially with games and services, and that will happen at least when the MK8D Booster Course Pass is completed, which will still last until the end of this year
    >Content will release in 6 waves of 8 courses until the end of 2023.
    https://mariokart8.nintendo.com/booster-course-pass/

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