Yo fa/tg/uys and ca/tg/irls.
I'm moving to a new apartment soon and I'll finally have space to put up some bookshelves to hold my tabletop games instead of keeping them in piles scattered around the place.
- What kind of bookshelf is good for tabletop books? I've got a lot of them and they're pretty heavy since they're so big.
- How concerned should I be about bookshelves falling over? One of the bookshelves I was looking at had a stabilizer thing that you screwed into the wall. Not clear to me if I need that or not or if it would even help. If it's going to tip over I don't think a tiny screw is going to help much. And I'm not sure if I'm allowed to attach it to the wall anyway.
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While I've had some difficulty with certain cheap shelves staying upright, the primary purpose of those brackets is to prevent them from starting to tip if small children try to climb on them, as they are wont to do. I think they may even be legally required after one too many toddlers were crushed to death by TV cabinets. In any case, you'd be surprised what kind of loads small screws can take.
Can't help you on kind of shelf though. All the sturdy ones I've used for hardcovers have been hand-me-downs.
You need to buy the kind of shelves with short square pockets like what your picture shows, otherwise with long rectangular shelves the middle will eventually sag from the weight of heavy hardbound RPG books. Ideally with each pocket having small metal or plastic support pads to prevent sagging even more.
What this anon said. It prevents tipping and can affect a lot of weight because it acts as a fulcrum control point (screw/line at top, fulcrum at bottom of shelf).
Thanks all.
Hmm, okay, sounds like it's pretty important then.
I dunno if I have any useful renter's rights in my state. If nothing else my lease says that I can't add shelves but it wasn't clear if that included bookshelves.
But I guess either way they probably wouldn't need that much to fix it.
Yeah, that's probably true. The longer ones look better though... But yeah I've seen the longer ones bend before and it doesn't look ideal.
I'll take a look at the Billy ones, thanks. A fancy one might be nice eventually but I'm spending a lot of money at the moment. I'll see what I can find.
Kallax > Billy. Especially if you have board games too, and need depth. (Plus you can get doors, baskets, drawers and such to fit them too)
If you get a 2x4 Kallax, you can stand it on the long end rather than the short one - no stability issues, and gives you somewhere to put a stereo, or your TV and console, or whatever else you fancy.
I'd recommend getting a shelf that is deep enough for you to put real books in front of them.
> If it's going to tip over I don't think a tiny screw is going to help much.
the thought process of someone destined to be crushed to death by books
Screw it into a stud dumbass
All my bookshelves if not literally built in are at least screwed to a wall stud. My floors aren't super level though, especially near the walls.
Allowed by whom? A Landlord? Slave mentality, you have renter’s rights. screw it in and if you’re worried about your deposit you can fill in the hole with some plaster later
my first rental unit, I used one of my walls for a throwing knife target
A bracket on top and perhaps a small shim under the front is all that you need. If you're going for cheap, Ikea Billy bookshelves will last forever. If you want to keep the dice/minis next to the books and can afford something vintage, a windowed armoire bookcase is the ultimate chad solution (they have doors). Also troll craigslist and freecycle; sometimes people give away some truly astonishing things.
Should be /tg/irls
Get something like this. Doors keep the dust out and it looks nicer.
Yeah been thinking about that. I'm allergic to dust so that would be nice.
Thanks, hadn't looked at depth. I do have board games as well, so the depth would be nice if I put them on the same shelf area.
I don't so much like that they don't have a back to them though. I don't want to have to move an entire shelf because I pushed something in too far and it fell behind the bookcase. And imho it doesn't look as nice on the long end, but it would be more stable that's true. I can't think of anything I'd need baskets or drawers for a bookcase for.
I'm jealous you have Supernatural.
>So much SOVL
>Also has Starfinder
Based
>Weird empty space between Conan and Lot5R
>GURPS, Mutant, Maid and horror collection
Impressive. Very nice.
Possible alternative: Why even have bookshelves? Why not keep your books in the boxes used in the move? Some people would think that doesn't make sense, since things are supposed to be arranged in the home to "look good", but I keep all my books in boxes because I don't care about the methods other people use to look at them, I just care about enjoying them. Keeping the books in boxes has the advantages that 1) You don't need to buy bookshelves, so you can save a chunk of money, and 2) If you ever move again, you will have no need to put the books in boxes again, and then take them out at the new house.
So do keep them in the boxes with the spine perpendicular to the bottom of the box, as opposed to the books being on top of each other? I've had books in boxes and I'm usually too lazy to dig through stakes and half unpack the thing whenever I need to find something.
For hardbacks, yes. Most of my books are paperbacks though, and the boxes aren't very deep, so I've been leaving those parallel to the bottom. I assume the lightness means they won't warp much at all.
This doesn't happen if you label the boxes. even simply organizing alphabetically by title and putting the letter on the box.
Could you post a pic of your living room or bedroom, anon?
Do you mean to see my books? They're not in my living room or bedroom.
Could you post a pic of your living room or bedroom, anon?
People just want to see the shit show that is your living area, you shit show of a person.
>Alright guys lets play some Numenara
>I think it's in the box on the bottom so let me just move the 2 on top
>Now just pull everything out
>Oh it's not in here it's in one of the other boxes
>2 hours later you have 150 books on the ground stacked haphazardly
The acid in the cheap cardboard of moving boxes is a death sentence for books when stored long-term. It greatly accelerates the deterioration of paper.
Also, don't store books on wooden shelves unless the wood is well sealed--the acids in wood (oak has the most) will migrate.
You're a slob.
Honestly, if you want a sturdy bookshelf these days, your best options are to buy a an industrial shelf used for holding heavy tools and the like while utilizing book ends OR get the tools to build your own using 2x4s, glue, staining, varnish, etc. They are not hard to make, takes an afternoon, and you can even spring for a wood router to make it look fancy. The plus for option two is that waterproofing it and taking your time with it makes a handsome shelf that lasts for generations.
Alternatively, hit up thrift stores, yard sales, and such. You can Frankenstein old stuff together into something nice out of stout old wood furnishings for next to nothing.
>get the tools to build your own using 2x4s, glue, staining, varnish,
This.
My dad built a bookshelf for me and my brothers using 2X10 pine boards when we got a new house. That was almost 30 years ago. They're still in the same house and that shelf is still standing. It has 2 shelves dedicated to technical manuals and a complete 24 volume set of hardbound encycolpedias. Shit looks nice and will outlive us all.
Making one of my own will probably be the eventual goal, but I don't have time to handle that right now. Or the knowledge of how. Although it seems like one of the easier woodcraft projects.
Burn them
Ugh, the organization of those shelves is driving my OCD nuts!
>Organising books in home library in any other way than "it fits the dimension of the shelf"
Besides, not only you don't have OCD, you are clueless what's that even is in practice.
>it's going to tip over I don't think a tiny screw is going to help much.
You genuinely fricking deserve a Darwin award
Don't kid yourself or us. If your books are in piles around your current place, you're never going to get around to putting up bookshelves in your new one.
They're in piles because I don't have space to put up more bookshelves, not because I don't want them on bookshelves.
Here's my most current build. I got the bookshelves from a thrift store and spruced them up.
You've got some kino taste, anon..with one exception.
>Zweihander
Toss that shit in the trash, get WFRP 4e.
Yeah, I was disappointed when I read it front to back but I got all those books for a bargain so I can't complain all that much. Makes a good shelf-filler until I get more games. Is Kult any good?
It's like a broodier and less silly Unknown Armies.
I'll put it on the list. I was also disappointed by the new Hunter: The Reckoning book. I didn't like the fluff as much as Vigil.
How different was it from original HtR? Did it even still have The Messengers and the Creeds?
I've never actually played the original HtR, I just didn't like the Hunter organizations and that you're supposed to be enemies with them. I usually like to have my players as part of a group like in Delta Green. As for Messengers and Creeds, there wasn't anything about that in the book that I can remember, but there were archetypes of hunter.
>Ogre
>Delta Green
>BattleTech
>Call of Cthuluh
>Twilight 2000
How can one man be so cool with such great taste?
>Zweihander
Ehhh...
It's a daily struggle for sure. Especially since I live in the middle of nowhere and don't have anyone to game with, except on discord.
Listen, I didn't know about Fox when I found them. I will burn them just as soon as I have something to fill the shelf space with.
Do what I did; sell them on rpgrpgrpg.com. I offloaded a bunch of old books and got back like $100. Not nearly the amount I put in, but it was something and I used it to buy new books.
I'll try that, thank you. It'll make mores space for GURPS books if nothing else
Atomic Highway is a lot of fun, especially for shorter games and one-shots. It's pretty rules-lite but what's there is solid.
It's one of those cases of a good setting but bad editing. It's sometimes hard to understand rules on the first go through. Bummed to hear its going out of print though, I'm a big fan of the setting/stories.
>Bummed to hear its going out of print though, I'm a big fan of the setting/stories.
As far as I can tell, the modiphius lost/is giving up the license for another company to do it. My guess is lost because they had 5 more books or something in the road map.
So there will be more Conan RPGs down the line, but the 2d20 one has been talked about here a few times and that seemed like a good enough reason to pull the trigger before the books become impossible to get.
Is Atomic Highway anygood? Looked neat.
how's Conan?
I just got a copy with some of the cool/recommended splatbooks since it's going out of print, seems like a cool system, and worst case I can lift the setting and monsters and stuff for something else.
>>I'm moving to a new apartment soon and I'll finally have space to put up some bookshelves to hold my tabletop games
How the frick are people this rich? A reasonably sized apartment in my shitty third world country costs $250k at least, I can't earn that in fricking 50 years.
...I mean it's not like I'm buying it, bro. I'm shelling out hard-earned dollars every month for the privilege of paying someone else's mortgage.
How the frick do you have a job to pay for it, can you get me one.
Why does that shelf look so familiar? I know I've seen it before.
Honestly the best bookshelves I've ever had were made by my father. I think they were actually custom, though I'm not sure about that, but they were made from plywood and cherry veneer. Incredibly solid, each weight at least 50 lbs per 10 ft unit.
I just use the shelf in my hallway closet.
The books on spiral are Fantasy Rules! and Killer Katanas 2, with the binder having an expansion for Fantasy Rules!
>Can't use my old shelves because new apartment still has a roach problem
I've just got my Pathfinder 1e and VtM hardcovers in one of those weathertight see-through containers, and have the spines facing out to help see what's in it.
>>Can't use my old shelves because new apartment still has a roach problem
???
Moved in to a new place and the exterminators still haven't come in, so I've just been paranoid about my books getting marks etc. It's not like it's swimming with them, but in the city, you'll always find a couple. Just using the shelves for stuff like CDs or games that are pretty sealed up. or miniature painting supplies.
Dude if you just moved in where do you imagine they could be in an empty place?
It's one of those places that comes with a gas oven and sink, and there's a couple of cracks in some areas that need to be filled in. The little guard on the bottom of the door also doesn't stop roaches from crawling in from the outer hallway, so it's one of those situations where exterminators aren't just visiting your place, they're going to other people's apartments too. The traps have been helping, but I'm still a bit too paranoid about leaving paper things around.
What the frick kind of filth do Americans live in? I would just burn the place down.
cheap, mostly wooden houses designed to be mass produced with inflated worth induced by the forced scarcity created by single family homes literally (almost) everywhere because of zoning regulations, in areas with very high population density creating endless suburbia sprawls. a literal dystopia