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You can't turn back time and become a kid again. It's never coming back. Zoomers will feel the same way about Fortnite.
>Zoomers will feel the same way about Fortnite.
Grim
Millenials feel the same way about Halo, at least Fortnite kiddies actually learn how to aim.
I will never understand how anybody could like halo. The shooting is fricking shit. The plot is meh and worst of all it was an xbox exclusive
First one wasn't.
I think it's like WoW.
It wasn't the game per se... but the memories associated with it.
Like most things, "it was just a better time".
My dad says the same thing about when he was a young adult. Everyone pines fo rthe past because people younger than you are always moronic in your eyes.
>The shooting is fricking shit
Worked just fine, I'll never understood the wave of contrarian boomers claiming halo was horrible, besides you being cases of arrested development still stuck in an ancient bandwagon because it was popular to shit on popular things. You just can't get over some things huh?
Halo is fine
lol did I hurt your feelings or something? Halo is fricking dogshit. It was fricking dogshit and today it's even worse than dogshit.
Sounds like he hurt yours, nice sperg out.
>he
>he actually doesn't know
Oh look, a newbie who was trying too hard to fit in, what a shock.
>t.hurt feelings
point and case halo fans are tards
Case in point, newbies can't read ip counters.
Take your blood pressure meds and chill out grandpa, they're just games
>Black person doesn't understand how reply chains work
>Can't tell other posters apart by syntax alone
Lol, moron
>Halo is dogshit
Why because it's not Quake? Everytime with you gays lol.
amazing soundtracks
fantastic enemy AI
cool weapons
aesthetics are still the best in the FPS genre
story is both cheesy 80s action kino and intriguing space opera lore
game is amazing with Co-op
and that's just the singleplayer, albeit i don't like playing the games by myself.
tl:dr shill
game is ass just like your taste
seethe moron
>seethe
about what? Halo being shit? The one seething and samegayging here is you. Pathetic
you are clearly the more aggressive person here, the second somebody offers some reasons as to why halo would be considered good you immediately shit your pants and call them a troony.
Agreed. Halo was fun. I don’t feel bad for moron contrarians who refused to play it.
it's just arenagays seething as always
>Arena fps genre dies out because people stop playing them
>Noooo everyone didn't get bored and move on this new generation just doesn't understand good games!
It's like complaining that ancient ASCII games aren't as mainstream anymore. Like yeah no shit nobody has played Rogue
> I don’t feel bad for moron contrarians who refused to play it
You think people didn't want to play it because they were contrarians? Jesus christ. People didn't want to play it because it severely dumbed down everything about the FPS genre.
Why play a game like Halo when games like UT99, Q3, Tribes, CS, HL:DM, Painkiller, etc. were all out before and were all vastly better in every single way? The only reason why anyone played Halo was because they either didn't have a PC at the time, or they were too stupid to play all the other FPS games that were out at the time.
Halogays couldn't survive half a second in any of those games, I have higher hopes for Fortnite kiddies, those kids at least have some reflexes.
halo was never designed to play like those, can you not comprehend a different experience and why somebody might seek it?
Yeah it's like comparing Starcraft to cookieclicker.
Then again he does have a point as to why would anyone want to play that dumbed down console shit instead of a real FPS.
Kids, man.
what defines a real FPS?
Actually having to aim for starters.
No aim assist + bullet magnetism.
No regenerating health and shields.
>dumb boomer can only comprehend one way a game is designed
stay in the 90s to die alone and miserable
This is your beloved game. Notice the aim assist and bullet magnetism to help 10 year olds and 70 IQ morons. Halo was the Fortnite of its time(except the quick building in Fortnite actually requires some skill. Nothing in Halo takes skill).
i am aware, i'm not shitting my pants because i can recognize there are other merits to a game aside from how it utilizes aiming
>i can recognize there are other merits to a game aside from how it utilizes aiming
So you don't like actual FPS games. Makes sense why you enjoyed Halo then.
>So you don't like actual FPS games
you and the "other" autist ITT are the only two people i am aware of who give enough of a shit to arbitrarily define what an FPS is to arbitrarily exclude a series you don't like.
i'm playing through dusk right now and enjoyed quake
>having auto-aim and bullet "magnetism" up the ass is totally ok in a shooter guys
>I mean who needs to aim in shooters, right?
Cope harder you lunatic
>arbitrarily exclude a series you don't like
It has been widely recognized and accepted for decades at this point, that Halo and CoD had devastating effects on the FPS genre, which still linger around to this day.
2 weapon limit, regenerating health, regenerating shields, ADS, slow movement speed, braindead map design, etc. basically originated from those 2 franchises.
>had devastating effects on the FPS genre
Only morons on Ganker who don't play video games say stupid shit like this. There were frick loads of shooters to play on Steam the entire time over the years.
battlefield 2 is more fun than any boomer shooter
At this point Battlefield 2 is honorarily considered a boomer shooter.
not by this homosexuals definition it isn't
>2 weapon limit, regenerating health, ADS, slow movement speed are bad features that originated with halo and cod
I am literally both of those posts.
yeah i know, you are a moron who has absolutely no point and arbitrarily hates halo for no reason beyond it being a console shooter
thanks for proving that you don't even dislike the things you attribute to "ruining" the fps genre
>console shooter
>implying those two words can go together and you can be entirely ok with it
Thanks for debunking yourself
>regen health, 2 weapons only, ADS, and slow movement is bad
>but if it's on PC it's good
Already fricking backpedaling.
>who has absolutely no point and arbitrarily hates halo for no reason
Do you have trouble comprehending English? You literally just quoted my post above where I gave 6 EXACT reasons. You can't say I have no point and that I just arbitrarily hate Halo when I gave you 6 EXACT reasons.
yes and half of those exist in battlefield, a game which is far closer to halo than it is any arena shooter.
>having to compare a military simulator with jets, tanks and even aircraft carriers to your shit xbox auto-playing console stick shooter
homie you just desperate
Battlefield didn't have regenerating anything, shit Black person do you even yell medic?
Slow works when you're playing a shooting simulator instead of an Arena shooter, too.
You're just desperately grasping at straws here.
>shooting simulator
>battlefield
lol, that doesn't disregard the fact that you claimed that the 2 weapon limit, slow movement speed and ADS were things that ruined the fps genre yet all three exist in battlefield
why is it suddenly good there?
>you claimed
Black person stop making shit up, I never said such a thing.
Besides, 2 weapon limit makes sense in a military simulator too, soldiers don't run around with 50 guns. Stop grasping at straws and use your brain.
who gives a shit whether it's a "military simulator" (as if battlefield the game where you can do this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-wFI9vTqto in is a simulator of any kind)
the core gameplay of battlefield is far closer to that of CoD and halo. why is it suddenly good in battlefield to have a 2 weapon limit, slow movement speed and ADS but bad for CoD or halo? can you elaborate?
Because military simulators are an entirely different genre to arena shooters.
They're closer to tactical shooters than run and gun shooters.
One intends you to plan ahead and go slow, the other you're supposed to go fast, aim fast and be a test of your twitch reflexes.
If you make a arena shooter that is slow aiming becomes a joke, if you add auto-aim on top of that then you don't even need to aim, so why even play a shooter at that point?
That's why Halo's entire design is shit, and it was an obligatory compromise since it was designed for a platform that doesn't work for shooters.
battlefield 2 is in no universe a fricking military simulator, ARMA 2 is a military simulator.
>you're supposed to go fast, aim fast and be a test of your twitch reflexes.
says who?
>battlefield 2 is in no universe a fricking military simulator
It was back when it came out.
Maybe according to dudebro consoletards which is what a lot of this thread sounds like.
how to tell somebody that not only have you never played a mil sim but you dont even know what they are: the post
I specifically back when it came out, because it was fricking 2005 and we didn't have all these games that we have now. Are you unable to think in terms of different timelines? Go ahead and name 3 games that you would consider military sims that were out in 2005.
Operation Flashpoint came out way later m8.
That anon is right
>says who
Literally everyone who played Arena shooters, except Halogays who have to cope with playing checkers in a chess tournament.
you already stated that ADS, slow movement speed and 2 weapon limits killed FPS games
and now you are backpedaling to excuse it for a game series you like, accept you have no argument and grow up
Bruh, you keep confusing people over and over and over. I made those claims, but I am not that guy you are replying to.
At this point I think you're trying to argue with 2 other dudes and me. I guess it makes sense that your 70 IQ Halo-loving brain thinks that all 3 of us are the same person.
>you
Wrong anon homosexual,
already told you that stop making strawmans.
You have no arguments, you lose, grow some balls and take your L, and maybe some day you will be less of a homosexual so you can play actual FPS where you actually have to aim your fricking gun, fricking butthurt toddler.
I'm the guy who gave those 6 reasons above, but not the guy you are arguing with right now. I'll give my view on things here though. For me, it goes like this in terms of rankings: Arena shooters > CS > BF >>> CoD >>> Halo.
You're confusing people. I'm the guy who claimed that, but not the guy you are arguing with.
>having 2 morons go prone on your plane's wing to act as firing support
Halogays will never know such joy
>I want the game to aim for me while playing a shooter
You're the kind of homosexual for whom they make games that play themselves
>boomer can't comprehend somebody enjoying both arena shooters and halo
you're in your late thirties at the earliest and still seething this hard at a 22 year old game, there is no bigger homosexual on this board than you
>halo was never designed to play like those
No shit, it was designed for 10 year old kids with 70 IQ.
>can you not comprehend a different experience and why somebody might seek it?
Can you not comprehend that the post specifically talked about "people only refused to play it because they were contrarians"?
>new generation console
>one of my friends had it
>we all swarmed his house
>no weapons, only warthogs, spend countless hours running into each other trying to knock eachother out and run each other over.
it wa sa pretty unique fps at the time, and yes, its the memories anon
>no weapons, only warthogs
sounds supremely unfun after exactly 1 match.
>Didn't play hours of Warthog Wars
>didnt play kamikaze in BF instead
ISHYGDDT
missed out
you had to be there
you mean poor and underage right? Yeah I was busy playing actually good games
Had to have never played a FPS before Halo perhaps, it's like thinking McDs is god tier food.
Just sheer ignorance
Sorry you didn't have any friends, anon
no need to samegay poorgay. Most people had a pc and didn't bother with shitty console shooters
Not sure what's funnier between you being some larping 14 year old (as your ignorance of the time would suggest) or actually being a boomer who's still angry over kids enjoying themselves decades ago.
What's funny is how you look with rose tinted glasses at a shit FPS and never grew past that to realize how stupid you were as a kid.
Your generation stayed manchildren forever.
No, I just see value in a game beyond its mechanical purity, namely how fun it was to play with friends and occasionally return to. homosexuals like you who are still seething over what kids enjoyed/currently enjoy are manchildren in the purest sense of the word, you haven't progressed beyond infantile outrage over shit that doesn't matter.
>how fun it was to play with friends
Are you so fricking dumb you don't realize throwing rocks at cars is fun with friends too, because even though the game is shit, sharing the experience with people you care about is what makes it entertaining?
I can't believe I have to explain this to you, what a moron
Reread the first part of my post and try your hardest to comprehend it this time., it's very simple so I'm sure even you'll be able to figure it out if you divert your precious few braincells away from the task of seething over children.
>namely how fun it was to play with friends and occasionally return to
You are such a moron. You could literally play ANY game with friends and have fun.
No you don't understand, I did it playing Halo and it was fun, so it must have been Halo and I still buy the Master Chef's Collection
where's the Co-op campaign in quake?
>and occasionally return to
There's a reason people still look on Halo fondly and you don't see nostalgia threads for actual dreck from the same era like fricking State of Emergency. The Bungie games were all solid experiences, they made up for their lack of depth compared to pc shooters in just about every other aspect.
>There's a reason people still look on Halo fondly
Yes, because it was their first FPS game, first console game, first co-op game, and so on. Not because the game was particularly good in any way.
It wasn't my first fps game. Now what's your cope?
Was it your first console game? Your first co-op game? Your first online game?
No, no, and no.
I played frick loads of games before even touching the fps genre.
>they made up for their lack of depth compared to pc shooters in just about every other aspect.
No they don't anon, I was commanding Aircraft Carriers with functioning cannons in Battlefield while you were drooling over a fricking jeep with bad physics in your Xbox.
battlefield has a 2 weapon limit and regenerating health i thought all games with those features were bad?
Sorry I should stop using the big words that make your brain go all fuzzy. Halo wasn't as deep as pc shooters, it was still a well-made series early on.
>Halo wasn't as deep as pc shooters
Massive understatement.
The game was garbage slop made for kids who didn't have a PC. Plain and simple.
Nah it was great, sorry to hear you'll spend the rest of your life crying about it.
Imagine being the same moronic children you were 20 years ago, I almost pity you
I don't need to imagine when I have such a vivid example right here.
Yes, you're literally living it, ESL kids man
Anon please don't "pretend" to fail to understand a basic retort and then call me an ESL, it demeans you even further.
>he still pulling the samegay cope because he doesn't have an argument
Remember when tourists used to lurk before posting?
>it was an xbox exclusive
It was not, lol. Everyone I know played on PC. Ganker had weekly PC lobbies. It was a lot of fun.
>when you're so young you're still in the nutsack of the kid in the picture
you're talking to a child, anon
he's trying to talk about shit he doesn't know about and never experienced
this moron doesn't even get basic timelines of when things happened right
see
You projecting moron.
>Stating facts is projecting.
Keep the clown makeup. You'll need it kiddo
see
You massive moron
>halotroony btfo'd
simple
PC version did come out 2 years later
It has nothing to do with age and everything to do with the state of the internet and society at the time in general. There were no guides, no metas, no discord, no streamer culture.
>no guides, no metas
Blatantly wrong.
There was thotbot. But majority of guilds and servers just played whatever they wanted. Today, everyone immediately looks at metas. I know I am right because I played from alpha until 2007 on multiple servers.
Mate, I raided all the way to Naxx 40 back in vanilla. They might not have been strictly enforced depending on your guild but metas were definitely a thing. DPS paladins weren't accepted anymore than tank or dps druid and the higher and you went the less odd specs like beastmaster hunter were.
Why would you call it naxx 40 when it was only 40 man anyway bruh... i did it too. Notice how I said I played on multiple servers and most servers were how I said and yet here you are talking about playing on one in one guild. My point still stands. There is a reason why now every guild can blast through everything where as back then only so many did, because they didnt play meta. They just played
To differenciate it from the rereleased naxx they did in wotlk?
People didn't bother playing optimally but they still only played certain specs. And while it's been a long time I'm pretty sure dps meters were already a thing and people definitely used them to gauge individual performance. It might not have been the ultra autisticmodern version of metas where you're considered to be griefing unless you play a certain way but that's definitely a restriction on how people actually played the game.
>Zoomers will feel the same way about Fortnite.
Nah. They'll think they feel the same way about it. They won't though. Games don't have this same sense of community anymore.
Except fortnite isn't the same so their rush is lesser. There still hasn't been a proper fps mmorpg
I don't want to become a kid again, I just want games to go back to being good
I wish Ganker was good again, or the economy, I'll take anything really
Ganker was the place WoW was taken more seriously even when compared to blizz forums. Blizz forums were basically full of fools revealing how bad they really were at the game and blizz took a knee to them. Their fault really.
>Ganker
>WoW
>taken seriously
I honestly remember jannies would ban you for being a WoWgay in Ganker, you had to post that shit in /b/ with the rest of underage morons who posted about shit like Eminem or Habo invasions.
Probably blizz devs. Remember anybody could be a janny including you and me.
Everyone in Ganker would call you a homosexual for making a WoW thread, we didn't want WoWgays in Ganker just like we don't want upboat people either.
They were underage and moronic, and still are fricking moronic.
>People admitting they rely on IDs for posts without admitting it
Fascinating behavior.
Also, since I actually knew a lot of rl people that did play the game the average player of WoW ranged from high school kids to young men in high education.
>average player of WoW ranged from high school kids
Half of them were younger, yes.
doubt that, runescape is what my nephews played because my Aunt and Uncle wouldn't pay for a sub for them
anyways, fox and grapes
>because my Aunt and Uncle wouldn't pay for a sub for them
Hate to hear your family were too poor to pay your nephew $3 to water the yard weekly.
But most Americans could.
I was 16 when WoW came out, why would I pay for my gay zoomer nephews to play WoW
maybe you don't know this, but most parents back in 2004 wouldn't pay for a sub for an online game, mine wouldn't pay for my EQ sub and they were millionaires, I mowed lawns and paid for EQ myself
my Uncle had an affair with an ugly older woman and destroyed his marriage and business, both my nephews grew up to be stereotypical zoom zooms with the poodle haircut and they want to be streamers and have been working to do so since they turned 18 and neither one of them has gotten more than 10 viewers
>I mowed lawns and paid for EQ myself
Exactly, every underage homosexual could pay for their WoW sub the same way. Glad you admit it.
but that's the thing, most didn't
not many people played WoW even at my high school, computers and gaming hadn't become 'popular' even though every guy I went to high school played Halo or CoD obsessively, you'd get a never-ending amount of shit for being a PC gamer
WoW runs in toasters with AOL you don't even need a PC
that doesn't really change anything I said
everyone I knew owned a PC, very few people played games on the PC
consoles were huge, but only if you owned an xbox because xbox was cool and not gay (I like all gaming systems but I'm telling you how it was treated)
I actually remember hiding my power level in school, because while I loved PCs ever since my parents gave me their old office one and I started taking them apart to see how they work, I had to maintain my social life at school and didn't want to be seen as a nerd because my parents forced me to play sportsball
>his nephew had better taste in vidya than him
Based Uncle.
>runescape
>better taste
at least WoW could be described as an MMO
runescape is humans doing bot work as ordained by pedophile anglos
>gathering bear asses until you're tall enough to get into the next amusement park ride is better than cutting 10'000 trees
I don't know anon, both seem equally terrible.
It's like arguing between eating dog shit or cat shit
>I don't know anon, both seem equally terrible.
never implied otherwise
>My friend is 20 and his kid brother is 16. Both play wow
The younger brother would still lie to people and claim that he was a 12 year old boy and if people reacted poorly he'd quit. The variable range of the average WoW player was not
He'd also remember so during our days in EQOA if you treated him poorly he'd quit in the middle of a pull and he was the healer in that one. Legit would turn off the computer which is something whining crybabies online these days are incapable of.
Also that banning behavior still takes place to this day. It's just generally contained to pol lmfao
This. I'm not sure when wow became an acceptable thing to talk about on Ganker. I just did my wow discussions on the official forums.
If anything it's an example of the power of sound, music, and ambience. It did have cool physics despite being a slow mo and aim-assisting fps. The opening orchestra alone did a lot to capture people.
nah it sucked
>You can't turn back time and become a kid again.
Isn't this Nostalrius in 2016 tho?
you can't go back bro it's over
No going back. All we can do now is reminisce
How about a new game rather than playing the same thing for 20 years? Crazy right?
new games suck
Then we'll make new games, stick them in a box for 20 years so they become old and then play them, how's that
intentionally missing the point. classic. keep your gay and Black person loving games, ill never play them.
Its not about the game moron
It's about being a moronic kid with shit taste?
Eh, soon enough AI bots will be good enough that they'll be able to fill your MMO worlds with artificial players you can't tell from the real thing. That should do you.
>they'll be able to fill your MMO worlds with artificial players you can't tell from the real thing
This is actually something I've been waiting to be announced given the whole uptick in AI implementaitons.
It's gonna be good. Especially is if is spearheaded by an open source project like stable diffusion was for ai art.
I was just thinking about this last night. That I'd actually like playing some old MMOs with even half-decent bot player chars. Probably still a long time away but it's an interesting thought.
>That I'd actually like playing some old MMOs with even half-decent bot player chars. Probably still a long time away but it's an interesting thought.
Guild Wars 1 already had this 18 years ago, they were called "henchmen" and were basically NPCs that you could recruit for dungeons. MMO devs are just lazy hacks.
I mean like actually half-believable players that could also communicate and exist in the world outside specific instances/parties. I've seen party member AI companion systems in some MMOs.
how stupid do you have to be not to be able to tell the difference between a person and a bot?
You have clearly never played WoW, the average WoWgay is beyond moronic.
>You have clearly never played WoW
lol
lmao even
frick id be scared to resub and check my mages /played
You tell me, meatbag.
call me a contrarian but I think you can go back... to reddit
its never coming back bro..
FRICK.
>missed WoW vanilla because born in 1999
>play elysium
>most fun i've ever had in a video game
>server gets shutdown when i reach level 40
>miss classic because computer broke
miserable existence
>play banilla wow
>never pass level 40
>play elysium
>level a priest to 60 and later quit
>play classic
>server first naxx, top world finish
lots of fun each time
Now imagine you were 15-25 years old in 2004-2005 after spending countless hours in Warcraft 3 and Blizz finally opened the gate to actually live in the 'world' of warcraft. Sprinting home from school, quickly going through your homework, sitting in front of a big ass CRT to play your lvl 15 char somewhere in Azeroth... You had to be there.
it's sad there's no MMOs that attempted to emulate the best aspects of vanilla WoW
>co-operative chill, nonlinear dungeons where gear matters more than button rotations
>world is important and has people always traveling in it
>world PvP actually exists
>unique gear
>class building that has some fragment of freedom
Black person WoW is what ruined MMOs, classic was just a mutilation of the good aspects of EQ and Ultima.
It's like crying about how Microsoft ruined Halo, it just shows how underage you were.
shitty MMOs ripping off the worst aspects of WoW ruined MMOs. Vanilla WoW by itself was still a good game.
Vainilla already was what dumbed down MMOs and invited all the 12 years old in.
sirs please list what is dumbed down
>no death penalty
>amusement park design
>kobold ass collecting quests
>dumbed down gameplay so even a 10 year old moron or a woman can reach the level cap
I could go further but that's enough to undeniably end this discussion
>no death penalty
you have never played wow
>losing 5% XP and 10s in repairs is proper penalty for death
You didn't even lose XP for dying in WoW, just repairs. That said, getting punished for dying is a shitty mechanic, the fact you died is already "punishment" enough.
And I say this as someone who back in the mid-2000s played Lineage 2 because WoW was too "casual" for a hardcore videogamer like me. If you died in that game, you'd lose hours worth of experience AND there was a chance to drop an item from your inventory/equipment.
I doubt it, my expectations are "Guild Wars 2 with good combat and trinity-style classes." So very casual open-world with events, a ton of voiced dialogues and cute little stories to discover. Overall pretty easy, no cooperation required. And then giga-hardcore M+ dungeons/raids for endgame, for people who are into that stuff.
Which is fine, it would be a fun videogame. I'd play it. But it's not going to revive the genre or anything.
THAT SAID, the owners are Everquest 1 giganerds ("Tryndamere" and "Ryze" were their Everquest characters). So who knows, maybe they'll do an actual old-school MMO.
Lineage 2 was relentless and tried to break you constantly which is why I prefer WoW but man...those dark elf females. I still have the poster that came with the game. I wish we had more stuff like that without resorting to Korean grinder shit like Tera or Black Desert.
everquest dumbed down table top
Riot's MMO will very likely attempt to emulate all of that. Normally I fricking hate Riot, but I'm still praying that their MMO will be good, because it feels like one of the last chances of a WoW 2.0 happening.
if it has action combat and yordles I'm sold. Just make it pretty and not boring.
it all comes down how woke the game is and how many trannies are working on it.
>Riot
>Good
Why would you trust them to make a good game when they've been around for almost 20 years and have yet to make a single good game?
>Normally I fricking hate Riot
I genuinely have faith in Riot when it comes to literally anything BUT League of Legends. TFT is the best autochess and Legends of Runeterra is miles better than Hearthstone. Ruined King was allright but with how disappointing the Ruination event was I really can't like it that much.
>Riot
>Not a shit company
pick 1
It has the right IP, and the predigree of the online vidya, but i do not trust the company and I doubt it will be Vanilla WoW 3.0
By far the best and the most important aspect of WoW was an established, beloved and iconic lore and you can't just "emulate" it.
>best aspects of vanilla WoW
literally all of them ripped off "the best aspects" of WoW
It just wasn't very good as you were only willing to eat that slop when blizzard served it
In a few years we are going to see homosexuals calling Diablo 3 a classic
It was literally good times. I played like several months after launch and the growth was still exploding. I was only just a year or two graduated from college and I remember getting home from work and jumping on and all buds including my big brother were on playing.
I played on this setup back in 2007 lol and literally bought a Dell to have a better experience at the time on my first 17" LCD monitor. I can't even imagine having a 24" at that time. I def loaded up Classic for several months last year bc I wanted that nostalgia back.
I think it having a successful franchise with an established world already helped so much.
I reckon a Witcher MMO would work.
>tfw I went into WC3 really late (late 07 ish)
>just finished Frozen Throne
>one week later my friend introduced me to WoW
>wanders around Darnassus
>*mindblown*
>he tells me I can play as a DK next expansion and that expansion is coming in less than a month
I remember when they were still promoting the website talked about flying mounts and I dreamed so bad of being a troll flying a manticore or a bat. the thought of having that much freedom in a game was only fantasy before.
this but as a nightelf riding on a hippogryph, sadly I never got the mount because young me don't have enough time after school to grind that fricking mount out.
>the thought of having that much freedom in a game was only fantasy before.
>he didn't play Ultima
More proof WoWgays were all underage
ya 20 years ago you. where are you right now?
Astonia 3 was my first MMO experience, no idea what I was doing.
yeah...
WoW died with Arthas
Blizzard died with WoW
Nah it was over when they joined Activision
They sold out their soul when they released WoW just like Valve sold out when they realized they didn't need to make games anymore.
Nah even TBC was pretty kino, LFG wasn't that bad.
LFR and Gearscore however...
What I mean is that there was only one way WoW could go, they were on a railroad when that game released.
It made them billions but it also made them lazy and greedy. They were literally printing money by shoving their players into grinding weeklies and collecting sub fees.
It's the same problem caused by lootboxes really, you reward bad behaviour from the companies and it becomes a cycle.
>Valve doesn't make games anymore
I don't understand why people on Ganker say this. They still made 7 games in the last 10 years. And they have that Neon Prime game coming out soon too, so it will be 8 games in 10 years.
Counter-Strike: Global Offensive - 2012
Dota 2 - 2013
The Lab - 2016
Artifact - 2018
Dota Underlords - 2020
Half-Life: Alyx - 2020
Aperture Desk Job - 2022
All I see is Dota 2 then either flops or games that everyone forgot after a month. Even Dota and CS:GO can hardly be called really called games by valve since they are just rehash of older games.
>ok they make games but they arent games so they dont make games anymore checkmate
NTA but only CSGO and DOTA can be called games, and they're just ported remakes to their new engine.
alyx was good too I guess. but nowhere near the scope you'd expect from the guys who made Half Life.
>ok they make games but these games are not as big and important as one of the most big and important games ever made so they don't make games anymore checkmate
yeah seeing characters like thrall in WoW was amazing as a wc3 player
That's not vanilla.
That's from Gandling server during classic, I played on that server. I recognize many char and guild names.
first few weeks of classic 2019 was fun as hell
That IF raid happened right before the honor patch dropped. We scheduled it like that cause we thought after the patch all the gays would be scared to come due to dishonorable kills.
>WoW
cringe
Now this however...
what's that weird tetris minigame they are all playing?
so much halocuck butthurt oh lawl
>newbie embarasses himself after sperging out about Halo
>gets called a moron
>has a melt down and accuses the entire thread of samegayging when he's too stupid to read an ip counter
>u mad u mad u mad u mad u mad u mad u mad u mad
Merely pretending
>he's still samegayging
actual mental illness. Halo is shit. Seethe harder top kek lel@urlife
kek I will never forget how assmad alliance Black folk were over pvp
>alliance Black folk before pvp came out
>DUDE OPEN WORLD PVP WILL BE AMAZING
>alliance once horde players camp them in their city
>AHHHHHHHHHHHHH PLEASE LET ME TRANSFER BLIZZARD FRICK OPEN WORLD PVP I WILL QUITE THIS GAME
sometimes I feel bad for starting on a pve server
It was something else walking into SW or IF and seeing that many people. Really was a different era.
>>>/vg/
>samegayging because someone called halo shit
It's a fricking console shooter is shit by default. Why are halogays this such spergs?
Because they were born in the 2000's.
They don't know any better, imagine you are a little turd whose first contact with gaming is a fricking XBox.
We were lucky
>horde niggr
kys
>mmoshit
frick off, glad this garbage genre is dying
I remember the only competitor at the time was Guild Wars that launched in 2005 right? And maybe EverQuest.
People still played Ultima Online but that was shit by then.
https://biobreak.wordpress.com/mmo-timeline/
There were a lot of MMOs out back then. Here's a list of MMOs that were popular and out prior to WoW.
Asheron's Call
Everquest 1+2
Anarchy Online
Dark Age of Camelot
Runescape
Final Fantasy XI
Ragnarok Online
EVE Online
Lineage II
MapleStory
Shadowbane
Star Wars Galaxies
City of Heroes
Here's a list of MMOs that came out right after WoW:
Flyff
Guild Wars
The Matrix Online
Perfect World
Silkroad Online
>he goes back to jerking off his own posts again pretending to be someone else when het gets BTFO
fricking LOL
>noooo you can't call halo shit it was good once I swear
absolute state of shitboxgays
>You don't need to aim in shooters, I wish they removed jumping from Mario too it would make the game more inclusive for people with mental disabilities like me
No wonder the world is a dumpster fire, this generation is beyond moronic, I blame Bush's leave no kids behind policy for this.
this epic warlock pvp video I made prefectly shows what walrock pvp was like in the BWL patch
>halo
Halo easy as frick. It's also really shit. Don't believe consolebabbies
ITT:
>backpedaling boomers who have no argument beyond hating consoles
ITT seething and samegayging halocuck
Once you realize they're also incels who have to live with current age females and Biden economics it becomes hard to hate them, their entire existence is a mockery of what life was supposed to be.
>gets BTFO again
>muh samegayging
you're a broken record
>172 / 28 / 42 / 1
halocuck completely mindbroken
>literally defending auto-aim in FPS as "alternative game design"
I genuinely hope these people die of brain cancer, they're about as bad as kotaku writers at this point
>40+ posts made by this seething quakegay
Mindbroken indeed
>he replied to himself again
Looks like somebody else got brain cancer fricking lmao
>there are people who pretend on Ganker that halo was good
>calling HaloBlack folk people
Halo is a easy game. It's only fun split screening with rl friends against pubs online because other than that it literally is almost a 1:1 type game play full of chance and auto-aim. People who are good at halo find themselves bad at other fps and the irony is that when I compare my own performance online in those other fps games I generally perform better than I do in Halo games (fighting against other players) even though I'm capable of winning some tournaments in Halo and I suspect that's because it's harder, by their own words, and so the potential ceiling for skill is much higher and I always reached those in fps even if it's rock, paper, and scissors level of game play. I guess what I'm trying to say is Halo is only good when played with rl friends but any other FPS game is better when played with rl friends, including tf2.
When is someone going to release a mostly bug free version of Cata/MoP? I want to mod the game but I'm burned out on WotLK after all these years
Cata will likely happen when Blizzard is done with WotLK classic, so in maybe 1 year from now.
name ONE game that has even come CLOSE to the experience of vanilla wow and early tbc.
you literally can't. its impossible. there is no way to even recreate the experience. you'd have to release a couple of good games to build of the story AND then release the mmo. even then it might not be possible with the prevalence of wikis, addons, and thirdworlders ruinning the experience
The South Park episode captured the WoW experience perfectly.
It wasn't that good outside of your nostalgia
Actually for mmo players at the time it was a fricking revolution.
>MMO players
It dumbed down MMOs for non-MMO players.
Which is Blizzard's entire gimmick, dumbing down games.
And those MMOs were dumbed down tabletop RPGs you moron
>Video games aren't as good as playing with IMAGINATION
No shit sherlock, but amusement park MMOs are still outright garbage.
>muh sandbox
there has never been a good sandbox MMO and I'm tired of you gays holding up excel spreadsheets and a dead, overrated flop that was so bad the devs tried to change it multiple times to no success and not even a household IP could make it popular
Nah, it was the smoothest experience in existence and was less restrictive about what people could do solo.
for mmo players it was a death knell, wow absolutely obliterated the genre and it never once came back
Only because wow was in fact the better product. It wouldn't have killed other games if wow only attracted normalgays.
lmao
but it's ok kid I'll leave you to your nostalgia, god knows that's the only thing blizzard has left and they've spent the past few years making sure no one has that anymore either
I accept your concession.
The same happens anytime you dumb down any game to be able to make Night Elf Mohawk ads on TV.
>It wouldn't have killed other games if wow only attracted normalgays
You could say the same of Candy Crush. If you're dumbing down a rather complex genre to sell it to office ladies and middle school kids you've certainly gone too far.
>You could say the same of Candy Crush. If you're dumbing down a rather complex genre to sell it to office ladies and middle school kids you've certainly gone too far.
If that was true, everyone would only play candy crush clones which obviously isn't true, not even within the mobile "games" genre.
A newly released game becoming popular doesn't automatically destroy the fanbase of already established titles unless it's just that much of an upgrade over the previous games.
>he honestly thinks WoW killed the competition
You're as moronic as the people who said TOR would kill WoW, neither of these things happened.
EQ and GW still have healthy servers, hell, FFXI and XIV have more players than WoW
>he honestly thinks WoW killed the competition
The people I've been replying to certainly do and plenty of mmos that were popular at the time certainly saw an important dip in players after the release of wow with some just limping along. Kinda why you mention EQ but not EQ 2 or DaoC or Anarchy online and yes those games are still running but only because it cost peanuts to run servers for them.
>killed the genre
>same as killing the competittion
ESL-kun, really?
It's essentially the same thing otherwise the old school mmos would still be striving. It's like complaining that smartphones killed the mobile phone industry.
No it isn't, because you're trying to argue WoW killed the competition or that it didn't attract just normalgays, your entire argument is flawed because you didn't think it through.
you act like MMOs are not dumbed down MUDs anyways
there is nothing about any MMO that has been released in the history of time that is remotely complex, even EVE is simplistic it's just boring
WoW (at least original WoW) and Halo predate investor wiener sucking happened, even Wrath was in dev before Blizzard finalized their merger with Activision
but, you're a zoomer so you don't remember that because you were like, 10
>all that butthurt to defend WoW and Halo
>he thinks he's better than Zoomers
Even Zoomers are better than millenials, kid.
The issue wasn't WoW, it was a good videogame. A very good videogame. The issue was everyone else who kept making WoW-clones trying to achieve the same success.
Just like it wasn't Resident Evil 4's fault if everyone started making third-person shooters all of a sudden.
My ortism wouldn't let me look past all the blinding inaccuracies
South Park made it more popular actually. Game devs, shot callers, and investors simply have no integrity and if all they did was actually add content instead of modifying the current version of the game like some ammeatur modder because of "balance" and change for the sake of change it'd still be in a healthy state player wise. Instancing also helped start its downfall. Pics like OP's pic was common across multiple servers and happened often before instancing.
the make love not warcraft episodxe aired in 2006, WoW didn't have a major pop jump until WoTLK and hit its peak there, as well
2.5 millions sub during vanilla was already a massive amount when mmos usually had sub counts in the 100 thousands.
Takes time for normies to afford the gear to be able to play the game. In the 2000s people tend to forget that the average person wasn't keeping up with tech and probably had pcs that couldn't run the game past 3 fps or just simply couldn't run it period. I didn't start playing the game until half a year passed from its release date because the previous mmorpg me and my friends were playing was on the PS2 and between them going back and forth between eqoa and WoW I kind of sat on my ass about getting better internet and a computer to play WoW because back then I'd make like $600 on average every two weeks and I still had bills to pay. This is why it took a while for WoW to grow in popularity. I know for a fact I wasn't the only one in this boat as well and out of my group of friends which was in the tens, many had to "upgrade" to even be able to play the game. The game was insanely popular before player counts showed it was and naturally if you're starting late the previous changes that upset the player base that was already there won't phase you until you spend several hundreds if not thousands of ours into the game and the devs simply decide to gut your class and Frankenstein it into a new one with the wearing the face of the previous class. People always quit over unjustified class changes but they kept it up along with bone-headed decision making like instancing. EQOA was better in this aspect because if you wanted to kill Lady Vox and there was another guild there you'd have to fight for it which added value to the game since fights of that magnitude always lead to an air of competition with stirred emotions.
>it'd still be in a healthy state player wise
I agree, no game needs to be the equivalent of being nothing but corn syrup and onions nutritionally to survive.
But corporations got into gaming and tried to make it about maximizing profit instead of making games, that's what brought us to where we are right now.
Vidya stopped being about gaming nerds making games for gaming nerds, and instead about code monkeys making porkslope like WoW and Halo for normalgays so people like Kotick can buy their 4th mansion.
Agreed.
I was busy playing good games cuck
>TAKE ME BACK
Go play Turtle WoW
>Turtle WoW
I'd rather not play with hues and vatniks, thx
You can never go back and nothing today will ever give you the same feeling you had as a kid
Once you accept this, you can cope easier
gross
no frickin thanks with those tard nostalgia googles
Am I the only one who thinks this looks bad? Why do most MMOs look like an RTS? It looks terrible.
you can enjoy wow any way you like with classic and private servers, the problem is you
what makes mmos so addictive compared to other online games that ripoff its mechanics like mobas, gachas,etc?
Social engagement.
how is that any different from muds?
how is that any different from other games with quests or tasks like early rpgs?
Make it a routine so your brain is programmed to do it the same way you train your dog to shit in the yard.
It's something you only do to subhumans.
doing that to people just so you can charge them a subscription is outright immoral.
muds aren't that visually appealing.
neither are mmos except the most dogshit of korean ones.
3d muds also exist
eve online is literally a 3d mud but they suck now too because despite bullying on WoW they inherited their practices.
The idea your numbers go bigger, along with grooming you into doing repetitive daily and weekly tasks.
They literally hired psychologists to make the game design more addictive, it's quite disgusting honestly.
They train you like you would train a donkey in order to milk you for sub money.
>what makes mmos so addictive
your mental illness
Every MMOBlack person should be drawn and quartered
they were fun for the first few years when they very first started coming out
>this makes blizzard servers piss and shit themselves
I know WoW has scaling but does FF14.
Personally I hate scaling in RPGs because I want the numbers to be honest.
I'd kill for an honest MMORPG.
ffxiv will scale your level down as opposed to making mobs your level
King's honor, friend.
Do you guys think old people see real life like we vanillahomies do with old internet and stuff?
Nope. If that were true the immigrants would return home instead of phoning home.
>It was so good. Here, let me tell you my memories of family and friends.
>Still exists.
Does nothing to return to it