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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They can, it's called being a cleric.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      sounds moronic

      Nerds can't be jocks

      lol lmao

      You'll notice that casters don't feel the need to make comics about how they're totally just as cool as martials.

      this tho why tf is it always martial gays b***hing?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Most martials complain about casters due to them going off on how worthless the martial class is and how they can't do anything, and then use a lvl 20 wizard and compare them to like a lvl5 fighter

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          a level 5 fighter and a level 20 fighter are practically identical, so how can you tell?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Even when they use low level wizards for their comparisons, they do shit such as assuming infinite spell slots or all possible situational spells known and prepared at the same time.
          Plus monoclass spell progression while also assuming dips (for armor or saves).

          Some DMs do make it worse by apparently often buffing casters and nerfing martials for no reason, such as handwaving spell components or just interpreting spells in ridiculously generous ways, while adding shit such as critical fumbles that obviously frick up martials more.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            you've never talked to anyone who plays a caster then

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No.
            Spell slots don't matter. A 20th level wizard has four spells per day per spell level, and that's before bonus spells from intelligence or items. At low levels, rope trick exists. At high levels, you just return to your untouchable demiplane (which you actually never need to leave to accomplish things, since Simulacrum, Planar Binding, and Gate exists.
            No one dips. Any level that isn't a level in a full caster class is reducing your power. Dips are for the weak classes that only exist to haze new players.
            Spell components don't matter. Eschew Materials.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Rope trick doesn't even let you long rest, you'd only be recovering a tiny bit of your slots (arcane recovery).
              > High level spells, level 20 bs
              Lol
              >Spell components don't matter
              Sure, if you cheat you'll be more powerful than you're supposed to be

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Eschew Materials is in the book, not a cheat. Rope trick lets you rest. High level spells are part of the game. You lose.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > Is in the book
                > 3.
                Ah, the assumption was that we were talking about 5e, since that's the biggest edition right now and was already released 10 years ago.
                As you're talking of another edition, sure, I'll assume you're right for it, as I've never played it.
                I do often see people claiming 5e wizards are the ultimate class to which no other class can compare.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                5e caster martial balance is much, much better, and martials are borderline on par with casters in terms of output and performance. It sounds like I'm defending 5e here, but I'm not.
                3rd was caster edition, it's where caster supremacy arguments comes from.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                In my current 5e game, martials do feel as powerful as casters or even more (since casters can feel very situational).
                Martials do feel boring though.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                5e caster/martial balance feels better because the average player hae gotten unfathomably shittier at knowing what their character does, and this penalizes casters to a much greater extent than martials. But even in 5e, casters are still the king of trivializing encounters and preserving party resources for increasingly trivial costs.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If we go buy RAW, there is a squable to be had over whether or not Rope Trick lasts long enough to let you take a short rest.
                See, the duration of Rope Trick is an hour. That's exactly the time needed for a short rest.
                Problem is, the duration is exactly an hour. The casting time, on the other hand, is one action.
                Literally six second off of a short rest as it turns out.
                If you think any DM would have the decency to allow you as a PC to use Rope Trick for a short rest as it is obviously intended for you are mistaken.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                spell's duration begins after the spell is cast, enabling you the full hour for a short rest. the 12 seconds spent climbing up and down the rope are completely inconsequential

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >the 12 seconds spent climbing up and down the rope are completely inconsequential
                The turn spent casting the spell would not count towards a short rest, so by the time you start your rest, you've only got 59 minutes and 54 seconds left on the spell.

                The intended use of Rope Trick was likely for a party of adventurers to get a good bit of time for recovery, and in 5e, that would be a short rest for sure. The issue is that the wordings of the Short Rest rule in the book as it is written and the duration of Rope Trick make Rope Trick unable to service a Short Rest, despite the contrary being both the most obvious use for it and most likely what the 5e designers had in mind.
                The only way your DM will let you take a Short Rest inside Rope Trick is if he watches Critical Role and handwaves rules for his precious story.
                Or if you find the correct tweet out of many million-thousand fricking errata tweets from the ex-lead designer confirming how the interaction works.

                >Gurofriend just doesn’t hit the same.
                Gurofiend?

                >gurofreak
                or
                >gurocreep
                also work, gay
                t. tollbooth-chan is my waifu

                Goregay.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't want to be the ackshually guy, but there is bit of nuanced difference between gore and guro.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                if we're being overly semantic c**ts, the spell doesn't take effect until -after- the 6 second action it takes to cast it, so the
                if you'd said that the 6-second action it takes to climb the rope leaves you with only 59 minutes and 54 seconds, i would have to concede the point but your failure to grasp semantics means you're technically incorrect, which makes me technically correct, ergo suck it

                further, the difference between gore and guro is the sexualization
                gutting someone like a fish = gore
                gutting someone like a fish and sticking your dick in their entrails = guro

                t. goregay/gurogay

                Wait, so it's not just Gore writen in English?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Goddamned Autocorrect. Engrish!

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Goddamned Autocorrect. Engrish!

                lurk more, but yes, it's correct that guro is a discrete name for a specific genre of pornography

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                if we're being overly semantic c**ts, the spell doesn't take effect until -after- the 6 second action it takes to cast it, so the
                if you'd said that the 6-second action it takes to climb the rope leaves you with only 59 minutes and 54 seconds, i would have to concede the point but your failure to grasp semantics means you're technically incorrect, which makes me technically correct, ergo suck it

                further, the difference between gore and guro is the sexualization
                gutting someone like a fish = gore
                gutting someone like a fish and sticking your dick in their entrails = guro

                t. goregay/gurogay

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >if we're being overly semantic c**ts, the spell doesn't take effect until -after- the 6 second action it takes to cast it
                >if you'd said that the 6-second action it takes to climb the rope leaves you with only 59 minutes and 54 seconds, i would have to concede the point but your failure to grasp semantics means you're technically incorrect, which makes me technically correct, ergo suck it
                You'd have to argue your case with the DM was my point, not that this isn't how the spell should work.
                I as DM would roll with how you say it goes, because that's what I think the intention with the spell is. I think the writers intended it, I think it's supposed to work that way RAW, but RAW doesn't make it clear. It leaves a gap in which a particularly uncool DM can also cite RAW to deny the rest.
                It's why Twitter errata is a thing, half of 5e's official rules are on there now in the form of bitesized tidbits and clarifications they forgot to put in the damn book they're charging a shittone of money for, and your DM, no matter how uncool, will at least back the frick down if they see the lead (former) of 5e's comment on it.

                Welcome to hell.

                I don't want to be the ackshually guy, but there is bit of nuanced difference between gore and guro.

                >The Guro thing
                Thanks. It's 100% Goregay now, I've decided.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Brutal Doom is gore
                Beyond Citadel is guro

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Even when they use low level wizards for their comparisons, they do shit such as assuming infinite spell slots or all possible situational spells known and prepared at the same time.
          Plus monoclass spell progression while also assuming dips (for armor or saves).

          Some DMs do make it worse by apparently often buffing casters and nerfing martials for no reason, such as handwaving spell components or just interpreting spells in ridiculously generous ways, while adding shit such as critical fumbles that obviously frick up martials more.

          It was a fair complaint in 3rd ed days, because of stuff like feats being optional goodies for casters and taxes for martials, or just how many more save or die spells at lower and mid levels there were.

          For a couple of examples, a bull rush caused multiple attacks of opportunity just for trying it, then, if those attacks missed, you could do an opposed roll to see if you could push them back 5ft. Compared to 5e where it's just the opposed roll.
          Another is Flesh to Stone. In 5e, it's a concentration spell, and the victim makes multiple saves to slow the progress of petrification. It lasts for one minute, unless the caster sits there for that entire minute concentrating after the fact, where they are petrified for good.
          In 3rd ed, it's an action, and there is one save, and the target is petrified for good.
          Also, in 5e, there are multiple spells that can restore such a victim. in 3.x, stone to flesh, the only one RAW, requires the target to make a 15 fort save or die during their de-petrification.
          Frick, why not some more, in 3.x, a martial can move and attack in either order. They cannot move, attack, move, attack, that isn't allowed. Unless you're 12th level, and have the feat chain to do that. And only for melee or for ranged, not both. A basic level one feature of 5e is a significant towards mid-level tax in 3.x.
          With such powerful spells, slots didn't really matter. You'd have all of the slots you'd need with some left over.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Because unless they use a cookie cutter build that relies on unfun -5/+10 modifiers in a low-bonus bounded accuracy game martials don't do shit besides eat shots for casters.

        Even if they do use a cookie cutter PAM or Sharpshooter build, a single failed save or suck can effectively accomplish what they strive to do.

        The solution of course is to be a based GM and don't be stingy with the magic items, and make sure the strongest ones are given to the most mundane.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It sounds moronic because in real life "casters" were jocks. Also, did you know occultists say magic stops working around Christians? They're like walking anti magic fields.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nerds can't be jocks

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You'll notice that casters don't feel the need to make comics about how they're totally just as cool as martials.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      For one, there's tons of comics out there wanking off wizards
      Secondly, this isn't even that you spastic butthurt gay. The artist explicitly says this is just them drawing their logic behind how casting is going to "work" in any of their wizard doodles. Not everything has to be framed in the weird passive aggressive spat DnD players have with each other.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >you spastic butthurt gay
        You type like you're crying.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >BAWWW I DONT LIKE YOUR TONE
          You type like a soibeard

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        you ever notice how everything in the internet is an Us vs Them tribal battle?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >on the internet
          wait til you make it outside, junior

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          I blame Them

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Read TSR era dragon magazine.
      The amount of kvetching every time a new book of kits came out about how fighters are too powerful is insane.
      My favorite was the guy b***hing about how if a wizard and a fighter meet in a dungeon and the wizard casts lightning bolt (one of his fastest spells) the half-naked fighter doesn't give a frick, clears the hallway and the wizard never casts again, and how this is evidence that wizards need a buff, since they should be able to just one-shot anything they see.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Bro, this is Ganker.
    You can call someone a gay here. You don't need to self-censor that no-no word, there's no tiktok algorithm to give you strikes on your account.
    gay is fine. It's our standard determinitive linguistic fragment for labelling someone. newbie, oldgay, castergay, OP is a gay, etc.

    If you need to get some practise in, feel free to call me one right now.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The casualness (and usually lack of homophobia) present in channers calling each other gays can even cause problems when switching gears.
      I’m a gurogay, and I have no other language to express that. Gurofriend just doesn’t hit the same.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >gurofreak
        or
        >gurocreep
        also work, gay
        t. tollbooth-chan is my waifu

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Gurofriend just doesn’t hit the same.
        Gurofiend?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        gore chimera

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Just give magic to everyone then the combat is fair and balanced

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >then again why not make casters wear spike armor or be decent in melee too?

    Clerics do that. I know you've never actually played DnD though and are only going based off video games or anime or whatever

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      "MUH CLERICS"

      no

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >"What is 2+2? Don't say 4 give me a real answer >:("

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          what are you trying to tell?

          good thing I play classless games and don't have to deal with mind broken dnd players

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine in 2020+ STILL playing a game where casters and martials are separate things instead of EVERYONE having access to both. D&D fans are truly primitive troglodytes.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Crazy how every single post in this thread could disappear and nothing of value would be lost

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    > hindoos
    It's SARS you fricking bloody b***h

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >F@GS!!!
    Please go back to plebbit, homosexual newbie.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This is essentially what A Certain Magical Index does with espers
    >I need to solve eleventh dimensional vectors to reach my destination each time I teleport

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Espers are fodder for magic chads in Toaru

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That just reminds me every isekai/native isekai/reincarnation/whatever anime about a character that is both a sword user and a magic user starts with him being useless at both but then he discovers the art of "not sucking" and becomes the most powerful swordmage.

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    > baww fricking wizards are op because instead of trying to solve a problem they can just cast wish!

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What's the Stormwind fallacy?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        https://www.google.com

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        It is the assertion that optimization and roleplaying are mutually exclusive. It is not. A lot of people misinterpret the Stormwind Fallacy into being a refutation of the fact that optimizationhomosexualry comes at the expense of roleplaying, which is different.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        It is the assertion that optimization and roleplaying are mutually exclusive. It is not. A lot of people misinterpret the Stormwind Fallacy into being a refutation of the fact that optimizationhomosexualry comes at the expense of roleplaying, which is different.

        Oh, and also, it has absolutely nothing to do with "Roleplaying vs. Rollplaying". As in literally nothing whatsoever.

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Oh a D&D comic.

    >Yeah that is pretty accurate to D&D I guess. Other RPGs aren't like that, but that comic is certainly D&D.

    >OPs post: "HA, TAKE THAT D&D NERDS"

    ... The frick?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Being “like that” is self-evidently bad. This isn’t rocket science.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The OP didn't say that, so it's not what he meant to communicate.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    forgot to mention : if the party continues adventuring without spell slots, they die. martials are just as dependent on spell slots as casters.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >magic is le science
    D20 fantasy games and their consequences have been a disaster for the ttrpg hobby

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Famous scientific theory “1+1=2”.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Magic is science.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        that is simple not possible, if it's science then it's not magic and vice versa

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Magic is science.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No, dumbass. Science is a magical discipline.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >
          >There is no such thing as the supernatural. Every single thing that exists, magic included, is natural, as it's part of the world. It can be understood and it can be explained.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        uh no, that's equating two different things, magic is engineering at the very most

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Fair to an extent, magic is about results not theory, but it's more accurate to say all technology is magic. It's all sufficiently advanced to somebody.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's not even science, it's mathematics, and a visual metaphor to boot. You don't think 5+5+15 literally equals fireball, do you? It's just meant to represent what the wizard is doing with the spoken components of the spell.

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Just play Pf2e if you want to see a game where casters suck and martials rule... and then marvel at how fricking boring the game becomes as a result.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Now now, Casters don't suck in PF2e... as buff b***hes and healbots. Just don't expect to be able to do anything proactive against the enemies, since your spellcasting DCs are all out of whack. Want to play as a blaster caster? How dare you!!!1

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They can in any system that is not a complete pile of shit and even in some complete piles of shit too. Your entire thread stats from a false premise and you should be ashamed to even exist having started it.

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why would you want them to be good at everything?

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I make my adventurers, who have grown up in a world filled with magic and the supernatural, whose society has been built in consideration of magic and the supernatural, able to innately use magic and the supernatural, and able to develop stronger attunement to magic and the supernatural; instead of just slapping pop culture and literature shit together without any sense of cohesion.
    So what's YOUR excuse for not doing what YOU want?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >questioning a homosexual OP who has no sense of agency in a hobby revolving around agency
      (You) should know better.

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >then again why not make casters wear spike armor or be decent in melee too?

    Brithini wizards of Runequerst lose their conditional immortality and start aging if they do. Human societies aping Brithini have religious caste restiction on what wizards can do. Other wizards can and likely should put on some armour and learn how to fight.

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >make casters wear spike armor or be decent in melee too?
    They could do that in the old Stormbringer RPG.
    In fact they were kind of expected to. Demon armour/weapons were the business!

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Gameplay balance. That is the only reason.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Often with limited success.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If gameplay balance was a concern, magic wouldn't be so busted.

  25. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Gore is gutting someone, guro is sticking your dick in them during
    See I don’t know that that’s true, anons. I feel like there’s definitely a lot of clearly erotic guro art that doesn’t feature actual sex acts (especially if you’re looking for it on guys). Gore is just violence or body horror, but guro is about framing it as something desirable or attractive.

    Although some people say that’s ryona but I don’t know about all that, guro can feature characters very HAPPY to get cut up so it’s not necessarily sadistic like ryona.

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