Tales of Arise came out 3 years ago

>No follow up game
>Scrapped sequel repackaged as DLC that released 2 years later
>Devs still have nothing to show for the future of the series in mid 2024
this series is fricking dead, so much for "Tales of Arise saving the series"

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Says everything that no one is even angry about the state of the series anymore. Just defeated

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's been several entries since the last good game. At least Tales didn't die like Breath of Fire did. Now that was a disrespectful way of ending a long running series

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    good

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    if tales of arse is what the series has to look forward to it's better off dead

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this
      and xillia was the last good tales game

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Xillia was trash.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I have no idea why teh critical reception for Arise was so good. Arise is like top 5 or maybe even top 3 worst games I've played in the series. Like there's literally nothing worth praising it for. The story was bland and formulaic without even any interesting twists and turns. The characters were all dull and kind of unlikable and they have the worst chemistry I've seen from a main cast in any JRPG and the gameplay barely functions with long uncancellable animations, hyper armour out the ass on enemies and a design intending for you to focus on reactive dodge rolls which you literally can't do due to previous 2 mentioned points. Arise was a fricking disaster of a game.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        western reception was probably almost entirely because beyond the "boy meets mystical waifu" tropes, it was so barely a proper JRPG and more a cinematic narrative game that it appealed to western reviewers more.

        >Nazamil isn't playable.
        Wait, what. How the frick are you going to prominently feature this character in your trailers but not make them playable.

        simple: the entire plot focuses around her and the drama of what she is and then makes her the final boss

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Because it's the same situation as Persona 5. It's marketed heavily towards normalgays and uses visual appeal as a selling point, which is all that crowd really cares about. And for an audience that doesn't normally interact with JRPGs, even the little bit Arise does seems like something amazing to them. It doesn't matter if certain aspects of the game are objectively worse than what's existed in previous entries of the series. This latest title is all that matters, and it's very shiny, so it must be good.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I can at least understand why people like Persona 5. The only thing I'd say is kind of bad about P5 was the story. The gameplay was a lot of fun and the game absolutely oozes style that I don't think anyone can deny in good faith. P5 is definitely normalgay bait but it's at least good enough to be deserving of that popularity. Arise was just straight up a bad game.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >The gameplay was a lot of fun
            If you like visual novels with piss easy "gameplay" i guess

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >plays JRPGs
              >complains about heavy cutscene and dialogue
              JRPGs have always been story focused. Go back to Fortnite.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nah. Action and/or dungeon crawling-centric JRPGs are some of the oldest in the genre. Look at the Black Onyx and Xanadu.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The market they catered too (western ironic weaboo normalgays) aren't necessarily fans of series. They're either fans of a certain game in the series, or the company itself. I'd wager 80% of the people who bought it only did so cause their favorite streamer shilled it or they saw an ad and were mesmerized by the Unreal Engine particles.

        It doesn't help that Scamco are moronic with the series, considering the dead mobage spam and shitty re-remasters and whatnot.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The characters were all dull and kind of unlikable and they have the worst chemistry I've seen from a main cast in any JRPG and the gameplay barely functions with long uncancellable animations, hyper armour out the ass on enemies
        you just described abyss, one of Ganker's favorite tales games for whatever reason

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Abyss's characters weren't often likable but they were interesting that made playing the game and experiencing their interactions compelling. Arise's cast aren't likable and they're also fricking boring. Don't know what the frick you're talking about with gameplay though.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Probably overstating MAs and FOFs and that some bosses can activate overlimit.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >one of Ganker's favorite tales games for whatever reason
          Speak for yourself, homie, I fricking despise that game

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >The characters were all dull
          No
          >kind of unlikable
          If <100 IQ, sure. Otherwise, no.
          >worst chemistry
          No
          >gameplay barely functions with long uncancellable animation
          No
          >hyper armour out the ass on enemies
          Literally No

          I think you must be confused.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This. No e-girl no shota no buy. Also take that shitty "swimsuit" outta here and give us back the real swimsuit before this moronic political correctness took over.

      Arise's writing is ass, sure. Everything else was solid.

      Regardless, rushing games out the door every 18-24 months is how you forever remain mediocre. And there's little room for that in today's industry.

      Shut up b***h, who cares if it's mediocre if I like it.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Tales had a hard life.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Tales of Arise was Western designed game. Look it up the developers said it, they were appealing to the West and the modern audiance of zoomers. Arise wasn't a next gen game was it? If it was next gen only they may be able to speed up the dev of the next game, but if it had a PS4 and Xbox One version they are going to be in for the new long haul 5 year cycle. The game wasn't very good looking so I don't really know if it was next-gen only.

    PS4 and Xbox One are 11 year old consoles whose CPU were AMD tablet processors Jaguar garbage.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >series is dead because there's no new game in 3 years
    God forbid they actually take their time and make something of decent quality.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Thats what people said about Arise taking 5 years and then Arise was ass

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Arise's writing is ass, sure. Everything else was solid.

        Regardless, rushing games out the door every 18-24 months is how you forever remain mediocre. And there's little room for that in today's industry.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Arise is by far the best tales game. The only one that comes even remotely close is Vesperia. Id rather Bamco take their time with a quality entry than rush out some slop just so idiots like OP can feel better about themselves.

          Nah it's garbage. It has shitty shallow combat. The only thing that was good is the visuals.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Most games that are not Destiny R, Xillia 2 or both Vita games have shallow combat.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Destiny 2, Rebirth, Graces f and Eternia say hi.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Don't ever speak on Tales combat again you moron

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Cope, Vesperia has garbage combat.
                Anything with Arte Trees is automatically garbage as well.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >going after vesperia
                you're right, but that's still not allowed! just like you're not allowed to point out that it has absolute trash-tier story presentation and is carried entirely by the mc being rude sometimes.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm glad DE exists. People finally realized how Vesperia is purely carried by celshading/presentation.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                i'd say it's more the cel shading, but that's something people have pointed out for a long time. when you actually play it and can't use nostalgia glasses, the weird abruptness of the camera and choreography of cutscenes and dialogue are pretty glaring. it's like no one had figured out how to end scenes.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I think Graces is the first game with actual cutscene direction and motion capture for animations. I remember that was a thing they emphasized pre-release.

                Why do you hate Arise?

                There's nothing to like. Dumbest plot, most boring characters that seem a bit too horny sometimes, worst skits that only serve to repeat information, battle system that is basic at best for normal encounters and literally does not work for boss battles, and the most forced and rushed romantic pair in fiction ever.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                DotNW definitely used motion capture for its animations, and it got a frickton of shit for it back in the day. People were saying it looked too weird, but its cutscene direction was definitely stronger than Vesperia, which I think hadn't used motion capture yet, so it still had these really weird animation jumps and timing issues during cutscenes.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ratatosk's cutscene direction is abysmal.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I think Graces is the first game with actual cutscene direction and motion capture for animations
                Vesperia was the first one with cutscene direction.
                Otherwise, it's Dawn of the New World with both that AND motion capture.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Who said anything about Vesperia? This anon:

                Destiny 2, Rebirth, Graces f and Eternia say hi.

                pointed out plenty that aren't. And shallow doesn't mean good or bad, it simply means it lacks depth you absolute braindead buffoon. Play more Tales before you speak on this series again

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Tales has been mediocre since its inception

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Arise's writing is ass, sure. Everything else was solid.

      Regardless, rushing games out the door every 18-24 months is how you forever remain mediocre. And there's little room for that in today's industry.

      You know what people consider Tales games of decent quality? Symphonia, Abyss, Vesperia, Legendia if you're a weirdo Destiny DC. All of which came out in the same amount of time as the wait between Berseria and Arise. Think before you speak homie.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Games took a lot less time to make in the 2000s, anon.

        Think before you speak.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Actually, games take much less time to make than before due to the resources available. What's increased is audience expectations due to graphical evolution. Take a look at the most beloved Tales games of all time and tell me if you think they're visually impressive compared to the biggest releases at the time

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          that's a choice on the developers end. bamco could easily pump out yearly tales games with Gamecube level graphics for next to nothing, and they'd probably see a pretty nice profit on it once people got over their initial shock at the "bad graphics".

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          And yet they were better. Almost seems like what they're spending the extra time on isn't worth shit, huh?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ehh, 4 good games of 17 mainline ones talks more about the overall quality of the series, more than anything. Definitely not Arise's fault.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Activate Tales of Symphonia III

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Pls no, the second one was bad.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Frick you capturing monsters was fun as hell

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      should just do a remake, Symphonia is janky as frick but it's hiding a diamond underneath

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's an impressively bad idea. Are you the CEO of Bamco by any chance?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Lloyd and Collete's story is one of the best in any JRPG ever, both romantically and being a protagonist pair that just has good synergy that services that game, themselves and the world

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Don't care romanced the big tiddy ninja. Also is Symphonia the only Tales game that lets you pick your main love interest?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Technically, yes.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >romancing the mizuho village bike and not the halfbreed teacher
              ngmi

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >mizuho village bike
                Someone forgot about the unicorn scene.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                ninja arts tricked the unicorn

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Raine really worked hard to get that schoolteacher job didn't she?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I thought it was something worse like she got raped when she was trying to survive and raise Genis.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Depending on how you feel about teenage elf prostitutes it's not wrong to say she was raped, certainly taken advantage of at the least. How many times do you think she had to please Colette's dad as he worked out his frustration at being cucked by an angel?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Sex with Estelle.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Rita? Rita Mordio, is that you?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        JRPG remakes are never worth it cause they literally never improve of the things people didn't like about the original cause they're too scared of people not liking changes.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >JRPG remakes are never worth it
          Of all of the threads to post that, you choose the Tales thread? Tales has a spotless history with remakes. Phantasia PS1, Destiny PS2, NariDun X, Innocence/Hearts R

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          if they remake Symphonia they should take a lot of the style they put into the anime and just bring that to the fun and carefree world it had

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Can’t wait Berseria Switch 2 port

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Every JRPG series is dead.

    Final Fantasy will chase movie slop action money now that FF16 outsold Rebirth
    Dragon Quest is now in limbo with the 12th entry borderline vaporware
    Persona 6 will probably come out in the next 6 years, or after the P5 milk train has run dry.
    Trails is tarnished after Kuro 2
    Xenoblade is sterilized now it can't have fanservice
    Everything else is turned into a gacha

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The only real lost you listed was DQ. FF hasn't been good since XII, Persona hasn't been good since 3, Trails and Xenoblade were never good.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Most dogshit homosexual take I've read all day and I've seen a lot of reddit raid cuckoldry today

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Final Fantasy
      Was never good
      >Dragon Quest
      XII is in the works and Horii just chimed in a couple of days ago and said to not worry about it
      >Persona 6
      Persona was never good and got worse past EP
      >Trails
      Literal bottom of the barrel shovelware
      >Xenoblade
      Again, was never good and only got worse past the first game

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What are some jrps you like?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          NTA, but edgylords always says only fricking niche shit like Kyuuyaku Megami Tensei are good. It's tiring.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Etrian
          Elminage
          SMT
          SaGa
          Tales of
          Metal Max
          SRW
          Shiren
          Various other minor games I won't waste time listing+variou JP Indies

          • 3 weeks ago
            aceman

            Nice list

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I said jrpgs not dungeon crawlers you snake

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Dungeon Crawlers can't be JRPGs
              Don't talk poppywiener, anon

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Is Metal Max Xeno good? I've literally owned that game for like 4 years and never played it cause I never found the motivation for it..

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Lolno

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ok but is it fun? I've played every Neptunia game and have the platinum trophy in nearly every single Atelier game. Quality is not a requirement.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It’s not great but I can’t say I didn’t enjoy it. Not sure how strongly I’d recommend it but since you already have it to hand you might as well give it a go and see what you make of it

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Fantasy
        >Was never good

        Didn't read the rest, this is already such bullshit it might as well be a lame bait.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          One day you'll finally accept it.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Learn to bait you mongoloid homosexual

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      SaGa is doing pretty well thankfully

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Barely, it's operating on zero budget right now and the moment Kawazu is out it's over for that series too.
        It's kinda tragic because there's also some sizeable overlap in userbase, especially for JP women, when it comes to Tales and SaGa, Siugnas and his bois are currently helping Tales stacies cope with Rays' EoS.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Can still rely on Atelier to be the baseline vanilla JRPG that doesn't try hard to enough to embarass itself

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What the frick happened to Atelier? I swear Ryza 3 was years ago. Did Ryza 3 come out before Sophie 2? I can't remember. Have Gust just gone full gacha? I want another game from them even if it's not Atelier.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Ryza 3 came out a year ago anon.
          The gacha took over this year's release and they'll probably announce the new trilogy later this year.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Arise is by far the best tales game. The only one that comes even remotely close is Vesperia. Id rather Bamco take their time with a quality entry than rush out some slop just so idiots like OP can feel better about themselves.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Arise is by far the best tales game.
      It pains me that there are morons here who can say this with a straight face.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Post your tier list.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          NTA but there you go

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No shot you consider Arise worse than Zesteria and Symph 2.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Everything in Berseria besides the story/characters is bad. Combat, scenarios, exploration, equipment system. It's always amusing to see people put it in Top 5 or Top 10.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The story in Berseria was great, they always stayed focused on the goal no matter what they were doing and they were never lost in the plot.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It's my number 1 favourite Tales game and the only one I've beaten twice.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Story and characters is 80% of a tales game's value, gameplay is the most subjective

              I personally enjoyed the system berseria had but I can understand if you didn't

              I think graces f was my favorite gameplay

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Good list. my taste mostly align with your. I would just switch Graces and Vesperia in mine. Try to play the vita games if you get a chance.

            No shot you consider Arise worse than Zesteria and Symph 2.

            Arise is putrid vile shit. I'd play Zestriria 10x times before considering replaying Arise again. I hated the story and the characters.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            what makes one tales game better than the other? cause from what I have played they're all mid tier in every department. story, gameplay and setting

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >be me
            >try to replay symphonia 2 (my first tales of game when I was in high school)
            >get bored after the tutorial

            I dont know what the frick I was smoking when I used to like these type of games as a kid, I guess I wanted to frick aqua or something

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >frick aqua
              Legit i had the hotties for her too but i just jerk off never played the game.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I want to pet tenebrae, non sexually of course

            • 3 weeks ago
              aceman
            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Guess I'm the moron for still liking S2.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I like it, and I even like it for the reasons most people dislike it (characters and story).

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I liked Alice.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I can respect that, buy with your dick is my number one rule in jrpgs and rarely i get disappointed.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >get bored after the tutorial
              for me it was the edgelord ratatosk "mode" that made me cringe coupled with how homosexual everything is, from emil's demeanor to his gay ass outfit to his bromance with richter, at least richter had cool weapons and I wanted to play as him until he said:

              >"courage is the magic that turns dreams into reality"

              holy shit shut the frick up and die

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Courage is the magic that turns dreams into reality.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Destiny DC's battle system is great but the entire second half of the game outside of it is fricking dogshit

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Arise is a good jrpg. Just not a tales. It has nothing similar or in some way following the series except some name or gimmick.
      It has been done for people who DIDN'T play the games.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Completely disagree. Its absolutely a Tales game. Anytime someone says this its always followed by some nonsensical bulllshit. The story is on par with any other tales. The music is the same generic slop. The graphics and combat is the best ever in Arise. The main character cast is top tier compared to any other Tales. How is it not tales?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >nonsensical bulllshit
          You mean things you don't want to hear

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Im listening. Go ahead.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >The story is on par with any other tales
          Not a fricking point every tales has a different story except direct sequels.
          >The music is the same generic slop
          If you consider tales music generic slop, have a nice day
          >The graphics
          No one cares
          >Combat
          It's the dumbest iteration of combat ever, more streamlined and easier than berseria.
          >The main character cast is top tier compared to any other Tales
          Except dohalim the others are thin paper character with a one time moment and then they are completely useless for the rest of the game.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >If you consider tales music generic slop, have a nice day
            Anon, I like Tales too but it's super obvious Sakuraba is phoning it in half the time even on his good days

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Honestly it's hard to tell where Sakuraba even is anymore. Occasionally you get him just deciding it's ham time

              And then in the exact same game you get what feels like a throwaway song concept

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                oh wait that was literally a beta version of the song, but all that really changed was more instruments and melody on top anyway

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >The main character cast is top tier compared to any other Tales
          Fricking kek the cast is the most boring bland cast of characters I have ever seen in a jrpg. The skits are so fricking bad and boring and Arise its insane.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Best combat
          Here's why it's bad in case anyone is wondering
          >Artes are now divided into aerial and ground artes, meaning they both serve the same purpose except some function midair and the rest in the ground
          >Due to the change you're only allowed to have 6 and 6 so it's a downgrade from 16 artes to 12 in the old games
          >Hitstun on bosses is tied to an ingame stat that flat out DOES NOT work so it's literally useless on any bossfight in the game
          >This means that there is literally no reason to use anything but your highest damaging arte be it Reigning Slash or deleting your HP to unleash a fire sword skill with Alphen if you wanna do any remotely decent challenge
          >Complete lack of distinctive artes, they all serve the same role, there is no spins no dizzies no OTG
          >Boost strikes are an unbalanced insta win button
          >Since there's no OTG once you intiate an ally attack enemies just remain on the ground unable to be moved until they attack again and you can break them again to do whatever you want
          >The combat then basically boils down to either fishing for a boost strike or melting down things without a singular thought, most artes are completely damageless and since bosses are basically still walls all you aerial artes are completely fricking invalidated

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >enemy and boss interactions are neutered compared to previous entries (artes have less distinct features among them, the amount of hit states you can potentially inflict on an enemy has been lessened, with even shit like downing enemies locking them down to the ground, unable to be comboed, bosses will flat out ignore hitstun entirely, even humanoid ones)
            >you only get a max of 12 artes (6 for ground and 6 for air) when most modernish games allowed for at least 16
            >artes are now separated into two categories, ground and aerial, vastly limiting your combo potential and leading to more repetition
            >if you want to keep an enemy in its break state, you’ll find yourself forced into doing aerial combos even if you probably won’t want to, making the aerial and ground play feel even more homogenized
            >Boost Artes/Strikes all have a singular answer and don’t particularly open up for interesting combo routes and gameplay applications

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Healing items now only heal a certain amount of HP, rather than percentage. It’s mainly frustrating because Life Bottles only revive such a small amount of HP near the end of the game that allies can often die as soon as they’re revived again.

              >Strategy menu removes being able to customize each character's AI and giving them specific instructions.

              >You only get a max of 12 artes (6 for ground and 6 for air) when most modernish games allow for at least 16.

              >Overlimit is just bad. You can't control when you can activate it (which is crap on its own), it rewards playing poorly (because it activates much faster if you take damage), and you can't have more than 1 person in overlimit, meaning characters who go into OL much easier can hog it.

              >Can't tell characters to use items on other characters outside of revives. Characters can only use items on themselves.

              >Boost Strikes are (mechanics wise) dumbed down and less interesting Fatal Strikes from Vesperia, which were both mechanically deeper and were much faster animation wise (thus they didn’t get old to watch).

              >No blocking except for Kisara

              >Can’t cancel out of long animations, which really hurts with how it makes using anything but artes that have quick animations and big damage suboptimal against bosses.

              >Devs said they took inspiration from the battle system in Graces (especially dodging). But it plays nothing like Graces lol. In particular it removes sidestepping (the main way to evade in Graces) which feels way better, strategically more interesting to use, and unlike dodge rolls they can’t be spammed infinitely and evade when you’re right up in the enemies attack range.

              >Can't play solo unless you kill everyone else, use mods or play in arena after obtaining five party members, unlike a lot of other games which often included this as a challenge feature

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                God if it played like grace I would have enjoyed it so much more

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >enemy and boss interactions are neutered compared to previous entries (artes have less distinct features among them, the amount of hit states you can potentially inflict on an enemy has been lessened, with even shit like downing enemies locking them down to the ground, unable to be comboed, bosses will flat out ignore hitstun entirely, even humanoid ones)
            >you only get a max of 12 artes (6 for ground and 6 for air) when most modernish games allowed for at least 16
            >artes are now separated into two categories, ground and aerial, vastly limiting your combo potential and leading to more repetition
            >if you want to keep an enemy in its break state, you’ll find yourself forced into doing aerial combos even if you probably won’t want to, making the aerial and ground play feel even more homogenized
            >Boost Artes/Strikes all have a singular answer and don’t particularly open up for interesting combo routes and gameplay applications

            >Healing items now only heal a certain amount of HP, rather than percentage. It’s mainly frustrating because Life Bottles only revive such a small amount of HP near the end of the game that allies can often die as soon as they’re revived again.

            >Strategy menu removes being able to customize each character's AI and giving them specific instructions.

            >You only get a max of 12 artes (6 for ground and 6 for air) when most modernish games allow for at least 16.

            >Overlimit is just bad. You can't control when you can activate it (which is crap on its own), it rewards playing poorly (because it activates much faster if you take damage), and you can't have more than 1 person in overlimit, meaning characters who go into OL much easier can hog it.

            >Can't tell characters to use items on other characters outside of revives. Characters can only use items on themselves.

            >Boost Strikes are (mechanics wise) dumbed down and less interesting Fatal Strikes from Vesperia, which were both mechanically deeper and were much faster animation wise (thus they didn’t get old to watch).

            >No blocking except for Kisara

            >Can’t cancel out of long animations, which really hurts with how it makes using anything but artes that have quick animations and big damage suboptimal against bosses.

            >Devs said they took inspiration from the battle system in Graces (especially dodging). But it plays nothing like Graces lol. In particular it removes sidestepping (the main way to evade in Graces) which feels way better, strategically more interesting to use, and unlike dodge rolls they can’t be spammed infinitely and evade when you’re right up in the enemies attack range.

            >Can't play solo unless you kill everyone else, use mods or play in arena after obtaining five party members, unlike a lot of other games which often included this as a challenge feature

            You mentioned the 12 artes everytime, are these fricking bot posts?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              NTA but it's something important for the series, not just buzzwords. People tend to like the uniqueness of something.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              i just read one of those and found the overlimit line funny because i mostly played law and thus the last third of the game was like one long over limit for him

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Anon arise wasn't even suppose to be a tales game they just slapped the title at the end.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Tales of Phantasia will be getting a 3D Remake using the same battle style as Arise

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They used to release a new tales of game every year. What happened to that?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Game development legitimately takes much longer than before. Way longer. They're not making low poly Gamecube games anymore.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >They're not making low poly Gamecube games anymore
        They should be. Maybe then they'd be profitable. Graphicsgays are cancer.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Games are more than just graphics.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            What else is contributing to such a long dev cycle you stupid idiot

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Money for one. Man you're stupid

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >games take longer to make
        >they are all worse
        lol
        lmao even

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          This is the main criticism people have for literally every single game. Games arent getting worse, you're just getting older and more specific with your tastes

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            If anything my standards are getting lower in response to games getting worse. I'm willing to put up with more bullshit just to justify purchasing newer games

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Games are getting worse, and they aren't designed as a vehicle to deliver gameplay any more.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The frick are you talking about? They're not working on custom engine anymore right? 3D stuffs, like literally any vtubers could make their own 3D models.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Not playing Esg approved slop

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    xillia 1 > 2
    imho

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Honestly I tried Arise on Game Pass and gave up after a couple hours, both because it was the last day before it ran out so I didn't feel like spending more time on it when there was other shit to try, but also because the opening portions of the game are so hyper-linear and monotonous. It isn't fair to judge a JRPG by the opening hours typically unless the rest of the game doesn't live up to them, but I don't think I'd really want to try the game again anyway. I'd rather just go play earlier games in the series at that point, even Legendia.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >so hyper-linear and monotonous
      The entire game is like that. Corridor after corridor, go to point a to point b.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Most of the series is linear, but something about Arise is just, Final Fantasy XIII-syndrome except you can backtrack.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I like Arise. It's on ps+ too so I platinumed it. It's not Vesperia or Xillia but I still had a good time.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    JRPGs are dead. No one wants to buy or play them anymore.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I do just not Esg slop

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The issue is the companies who used to make them now want to make gambling games (gachas) instead, because the money is in live service games with predatory monetization.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Rays is getting shut down next month. They don't even give us gacha content anymore after this

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wasn't there supposed to be a Tales convention happening soon?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It did, and all we got was a promise the series is not dead yet.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Where do you think that quote was from? All we got from Talesfes was the date for the next Talesfes

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    let this series died I had enough of it.

    I was a huge fans of it back in the days I even hacked my PS2 and imported destiny remake, destiny 2 and rebirth but graces was the last good games and yes Xillia games are dogshit and if you like them you are a subhuman moron with garbage taste

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Did they really announce a 2025 TalesFes already? It'll be hilarious if the whole team gets laid off before then

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    is Destiny 2 worth playing?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Proper Destiny 2 or Eternia-rebranded-in-America?
      You need to know some JP to play the former but it's fine enough if you're ready for melodrama, and Eternia's localization left ALL of the skits on the cutting room floor, so only play that for an alright game if you go in knowing like half the game's dialogue is simply gone.

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Bamco is the BIG DUMB.

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Remaster Xillia or I'm dropping another one.

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >it's been over seven years since peak magiloussy

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I seriously can't understand magilou fans in the game where you have a plump fit sex hunger more interesting woman. Ok she is into shotas but holy shit magilou is unsufferable, having a better choice in arts nuker i would have swapped her istantly.

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Tales of Development
    shit name, dead on arrival

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >"noooooooo how dare they not have released more tales shovelware slop already!"
    idk m8 maybe if they take their time and work hard we might be getting the first good tales game in like 2 decades next.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Arise took 5 years and its the worse Tales game ever made

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        yea I guess so.
        but maybe they only worked long on that one, not hard h-haha.
        anyway, not like I'm particularly passionate about the topic. tales has never ever been a good series, the only good game they have ever released is tales of eternia, and that's probably with nostalgia goggles

        so it's not like there's even a gold standard they could return to

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not in the same world where Zestiria, Tempest, Dawn of the New World and Destiny PS1 exist.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Destiny PS1
          What makes that so bad versus the other examples? Besides the localization cutting all skits, anyway.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Destiny PS1 was good. Frick you

            Not with that garbage combat, encounter rate and A.I. Aethersphere is the shittiest dungeon in the series and the movesets of characters besides Stahn are basically unfinished.
            As much as Arise's combat is basic af, at least all characters are fun to play.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Destiny PS1 was good. Frick you

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Destiny PS1
          Hell no, Tower of Druaga > Arcana Ruins.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Current Tales team could take 15 years and would make a perfectly okay, average experience, their problem is lack of passion for the series

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Even those low budget portable games they shat out during the PSP/NDS era were better than Arise.

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I have yet to have a Tales story affect me as much as Xilla 2 did. Rip fake Mila

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    arise is just a shittier version of sword art online

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I love JRPGs but Tales of is so fricking bad, holy shit
    I will never play another one after that gay bait one and then they follow up with a woman MC in the same world
    Nah dawg, nah

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Tales, Neptunia, that Alchemy one and Trails are the series I think of when I think of "bargain bin shovelware quality JRPGs"

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Funny, same. Trails is so unbelievably overhyped. I think people were just desperate to have a 'favorite' that wasn't one of the big names to show how cultured they were. Cold Steel is embarrassing even to Persona fans, and in the OG series the localization is so bad Estelle and several other characters have completely made up English personalities.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Basically all localizations of jrps are bad so it's not really much of a knock on trails

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >they're al LE BAD
            frick off with your false equivalence

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Its true though, I'm not even saying trails is good, but name 5 jrpg localizations that are good that aren't fan translations

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                FFTWOTL

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                doesn't matter which ones I say because you'll just nitpick them and say
                >it's LE BAD
                as if its the same as completely changing the personality of a character. Not even fricking up Squall's catchphrase like 8 did impacted his character as much as what they did to Estelle.

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    xillia 2 has the best combat out of nu-tales

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    arise killed the series

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No that's the ONLY thing i can save arise for. Tales died long ago, xilla was the song of the swan, zestiria was... frick zestiria, berseria was the last gasp when you are drowning in the abyss.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The series was already dead by Arise. Arise was actually their attempt at revitalizing the series after Xillia and Zestiria killed it.

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why does nobody like Tales?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Let's be real here. Tales is a mid series with a couple of good games and some real fricking stinkers. It's a miracle it lasted as long as it did.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Besides what

      Let's be real here. Tales is a mid series with a couple of good games and some real fricking stinkers. It's a miracle it lasted as long as it did.

      said, some of the most popular games in Japan also never got localized, and as it is, JRPGs are on their way out in the industry anyway. Tales games really capitalized on the boom that Final Fantasy brought the genre to the west, but now being a JRPG is in and of itself an empty cliche nowadays for game design.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Zoomers don't play jrpg, they play two button shit like ff7r just to say "cool it's just like back in the days, japan and shit man". Imagine keeping something born past 2010 in a 60h long game.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        ff7r (remake to be very specific, not rebirth) has amazing combat. sorry not sorry

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's amazing on the visual side because you have all the cool effects and shit. Gameplay wise? Is braindead, is challenging only on few encounters.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          All FFr had is high production value. And it's paying that price by them taking a fricking decade to release a FF7 remake across 3 titles.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Too high IQ for plebs. Even casuals on Ganker stick to normal (and never do a second run on Chaos if we're talking Team Symphonia games) and think their opinions on the games are still valid somehow.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I love Tales but Arise being what it is and Tomizawa's silence around the development of the series made me bitteer.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Frick Tomizawa for having the same name as my favorite lad in the new Yakuza game

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      because instead of getting games like Abyss and the one with Lloyd that I can't even bother to remember the name of right now, we kept getting mid tier stinkers over and over.
      At least Breath of Fire only had one bad game, and that's arguable depending on if you liked what it was trying to do.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >At least Breath of Fire only had one bad game
        Two. 6 exists, whether you want to acknowledge its existence or not.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          i thought the mobile shit got killed before it released or something

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          gacha doesn't count even if they put a number on it, sorry.
          Every IP had or has a sad sack gacha.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Tales was literally created with the concept of
      >jrpg but real time
      Nowadays every jrpg like funal fantasy has become real time so there's no reason for Tales to exist anymore. Arise then suffered a massive identity crisis trying to ape dark souls to differentiate itself from the superior FF15 and failing horribly in the process.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Arise then suffered a massive identity crisis trying to ape dark souls to differentiate itself from the superior FF15
        balling sentence

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >FFXV superior to anything
        You guys don't even try anymore

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You will never live down XV outselling XVI and redditbirth

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            i can live with them getting away with hyping the game up for like a decade only to release it in pieces because it killed its last dlc and put tabata into the boonies

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's a very large series that never got a strong footing in America, meaning IF your average Joe has experience with it, it's usually 1 to 3 titles. Very few people will want to actually put in the effort to explore the series due to both its size and the fact that they're not very accessible, so it's much easier to write off the rest with [insert popular opinion], which has always been that Tales is "mid" among the English fanbase.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I've explored the series including the SNES games and they're right. It is indeed, as the kids say, "mid".

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You explored the series so much that you discovered more than the one SNES Tales game that exists? Crazy, I admire your devotion.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >heh is that an 's' at the end of a word when it should've been a singular? Guess I'll ignore your post and try to claim victory, huh
            >better luck next time, kid
            Tales homosexuals, everyone

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Oof, looks like I touched a nerve, kiddo

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >makes another extremely gay post
                Again, Tales homosexuals, everyone

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Seething

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >now just a single buzzword assmad post
                as expected of Talesgays
                mediocre posts from mediocre fans of a mediocre game series
                LOL!

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you should be embarrassed for typing this

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Still seething

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Which JP only Tales games makes the series come across as more than just ok? This isn't a gotcha, I'm genuinely interested.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I wasn't referring to untranslated games. My point was that there are only a few that were ever culturally relevant (Symphonia, Vesperia, modern titles), so most people will only have played those if any at all. Add on to that the fact that you have to jump through hoops to play the rest of the series, and emulation is a hoop that a lot of people just won't jump through for whatever reason.

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >most successful game
    >WHY ARENT THEYU RUSHGING TO SHIT OUT A SEQUEL ALREADY ?!?!?!?!?! WE NEED IT IN UNDER 3 YPEARS !!11

    frick off bro, youre an idiot. takes like 5-10 years to make major jrpgs

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If it was a big of a success as you claim they would be rushing to capitalize on its success like any company would. Cope harder, moron

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Then don't make major JRPGs for frick's sake, just make smaller ones

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What is a small jrpg?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Trials of Mana remake, Octopath Traveler, fricking Tales pre-Arise

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Trials of Mana remake, Octopath Traveler
            both shit mind you

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You(or he) asked me to give examples of smaller JRPGs. Not games that you personally think are good, because I'm not a mind-reader.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >takes like 5-10 years to make major jrpgs
      Literally only SE and that's because they're moronic, JRPGs are the easiest genre to make games for because you don't need much effort,

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >JRPGs are the easiest genre to make games for because you don't need much effort
        this attitude is probably while tales sucks ass

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You can shit out games fast and still be good, Tales dev just suck and have a massive skill issue now.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >You can shit out games fast and still be good
            name 1, unless you're talking about ps1-ps2 era

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              From software

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I mean, they took 2 years to push out an expansion epilogue DLC thing that was basically 95% reused content. I'm starting to figure the next game will have even less budget than Arise did.

  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >ff7r (remake to be very specific, not rebirth) has amazing combat

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      honestly it's kind of hilarious how for all of Rebirth's flaws, it makes Remake look like a barely-considered beta by comparison.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >ff7r (remake to be very specific, not rebirth) has amazing combat

        rebirth completely ruins an amazing foundation of ff7r combat with parry and iframe dodge slop where now positioning doesn't matter anymore and you instead just press the button at the correct time

        but I wouldn't expect someone who prob loves 3d tales to understand

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >my jrpg slop has better (slightly less shit) combat than yours
          imagine being a FF fan in 2024

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Tales mastered iframe/parry ludo ~15 years ago by simply making it so you're switching between your party of 4 in real time, hits are OHKOs, revives waste way too many resources and perfect timing gives you offensive advantages or leads into combo potential.
          It also helps that unlike 7R the characters actually have different movesets and really well developed unique gimmicks. And party composition actually matters. Etc.
          Goddamn Graces is such kamige

  35. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Just make another like Abyss and Vesperia for fricks sake

  36. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why haven't they ported the other games to modern systems? Didn't vesperia do pretty well?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      GP Tomizawa (Baba's replacement) said porting is hard. Vesperia took 3 years to port.

  37. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why do you hate Arise?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >hate
      Words have meaning. I don't hate Arise. I just think it's not good and probably set Tales back.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        i couldn't finish it myself and still consider it much better than zesteria and berseria
        worst the combat has ever been

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      More like disappointed

  38. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    based producer. They should use AI to help them in development.

    otherwise its over for this shit tier IP

  39. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Which tales game has the best combat? Vesperia is the latest one I played and the combat was ass. It looks kinda of fun at endgame but I'm not trailing through hours of shit to get there

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Xillia

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I only liked the Eternia style of combat which I think like 2 other games have.
      3rd person tales games are collectively garbage.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Which tales game has the best combat?
      Vesperia

  40. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The series has always been mediocre. Some titles have a good story and cast and some lean heavy on good combat. I'd recommend anyone wanting to play Arise to play it on PC and heavily mod it.

  41. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    post tales girls

    • 3 weeks ago
      aceman
      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Wife material. Give me an alienautistic girl with purple hair and i will play your game.

        • 3 weeks ago
          aceman

          Sophie wife!

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Sophie daughterwife!

            • 3 weeks ago
              aceman

              Very cute..

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Tales is an ikemen series for fujo and gays, mate. All you coomers get is AI-slop.

  42. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Tomizara killed God Eater and you can bet that he will do the same with Tales. It's over, anons.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      God Eater didn't sell shit, it got outsold by Code Vein that was supposed to be a spin off lol. At least Arise had decent sales for a Tales game.

  43. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    any news on rebirth and destiny 2 translations

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Rebirth might be released by the end of the year

      Destiny 2 is in the beta testing phase

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Rebirth is soonish, Destiny 2 not as soon. DC is the lastest one out I'm pretty sure.

  44. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Maybe they've just shifted to larger gaps between releases.
    Like yeah you still have the gameplay issues being a thing to worry about, but you guys already went through the last giga drought

  45. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Xilia 2 was the last good Tales games. No clue why didn't either stick with that or go back to the classic formula.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I liked Berseria

  46. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Serious question, i write erotic novels and i am diversifying over age gap relationship. Does berseria have good content about older woman x shota? I don't need a recap i want to see how the relationship start and progress but i am asking if that's a good source material.

  47. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I love tear

  48. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Tales of Arise removes co-op, the only thing the franchise had going for it
    >Tales dies
    Really makes you think.

  49. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I forget the source, but an article an anon linked said something along the lines that Bamco was going to focus more on quality than quantity. If it's true, I'm hoping Tales is included in that which is why we haven't heard of a new title yet, and we're going to stop getting bottom-barrel gachas.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It would be fun to see what a Tales game made with quality in mind looks like.

  50. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Didn't Arise sell a lot of copies (or so its defenders say)? What happened? How did it kill the franchise?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Replayability is nigh-nonexistent.
      Devs outright confirmed that the game wasn't designed as a Tales game to begin with.
      Many of the Tales staples were gutted or altered so severely that it felt almost bootleg like the skits and the actual battle system.
      Characters aren't particularly memorable.
      Almost 100% uptime super armor for bosses which goes against the combo-heavy fights Tales was remembered for.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Almost 100% uptime super armor for bosses
        Ain't no way why would you do that

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          MMO boss battle design

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          bandai namco games in general are doing super armor out the ass in recent years. it's actually getting tiring that if it's an anime game published by them or some JRPG/action game with anime shit from another division, including the God Eater/Code Vein devs, super armor just seems to appear to eat your ass the moment you try to combo too hard

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It did but other mainline games in the series didn't get 5 different platforms to sell their games on like Arise did.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      In Arise case it's that the character's are too bland and unmemorable (and heteronormative) to develop a dedicated fandom to create art and fanfiction and sell merch.

      I think what keeps Tales alive is the strength of its characters and Arise failed at that.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >let's make a game that feels like being trapped watching a bad triple date where only one person has anything approaching an ability to hold a normal conversation
        probably didn't help with the potential female/character fan audience, no.

  51. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    All JRPGs are dead.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Playing Persona 3 Reload right now and it's kino. Played Yakuza 8 and it was kino. Will play SMT VV in two weeks and it'll be kino.
      Sounds like a 'you' problem.
      >inb4 GAME ALL BAD

  52. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    finished it recently and the only good thing about that game was kisara ass, shionne was such an insufferable heroine holy frick

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >28.1 hours
      It's really that short?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I am someone who talks to all npcs and look every nook and cranny, also did the last dungeon with the superbosses.
        30 hours for a "normal" run yeah pretty much.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Ah, that time makes more sense.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Didn't play the dlc tho, waiting for a super sale since i already know is mild and i am sick of giving them money.

          Ah, that time makes more sense.

          Yes but i have done everything included farming, capping all levels and artes, weapons, armors, owls and all the shit possibile. I don't pretend is normal you can finish the game pretty much without even stop farming once.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Oh, so it is rather short because I recall the older games needing much more time to fully complete if not multiple playthroughs (like Symphonia).

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              No you can do everything on a single play. The older games needing much more 80% because the combat phases are longer, arise farming for mats is... 5-6 seconds for encounter? Also there are few bosses and the final dungeon is really short.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Just go get CreamAPI. Don't give those b***hes a cent for that slop DLC. They don't deserve it

  53. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I wanted to like Arise but the only difficulty options were tedious or piss easy and the DLC being advertised in the camp was extremely tacky. Did they ever improve on either element? Feels like Jap games really struggle with DLC implementations.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The DLC with Nazamil mainly reuses assets and maps and forces you to regrinded your artes since it auto-resets your levels and stuff to a certain level suitable to match with the DLC content. Lots of palette swap bosses from the main game, no new artes, Nazamil isn't playable.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Nazamil isn't playable.
        Wait, what. How the frick are you going to prominently feature this character in your trailers but not make them playable.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          DLC story-relevant, mainly because the conflict mainly revolves around her and she's the final boss for it.
          She gains playable status in the Rays gacha (like Zephyr) but that gacha already announced EoS and is shutting down in like 2 months.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Its sad that there's only two new enemy models. One is a generic spellcaster and the other a generic dumb flailing monster and they still charge $30.

  54. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >fukken slime isekai game comes out
    >it follows the old Tales formula to a T, basically it's like Tales of Symphonia but wearing a slimeskin
    >there are approximately ZERO (0) meetings in the game, just pure rimuru goodness
    slimebros won

  55. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >zestiria was almost 10 years ago
    >not one good game since
    Its time to let the series rest

  56. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Good riddance

  57. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Still waiting for Xillia 1 + 2 Steam port. Would like to see Graces F as well. Hell, they should just bring all the games over.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Man my PS3 broke a while back and I've been dying to replay Xillia. It was my first entiry into the series since I only got into JRPGs in my early 20s so it holds a special place in my heart. I also think it's probably my favourite game stylistically as well. I love the locals.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >cheapest ai-upscaled textures
      >30fps max, and can't even hold that
      >graphical errors and mix-ups
      >severe performance issues in particle effect-heavy areas
      >ludger's form destroyer now drops the game to single-digit fps
      >DLC like BoA and Madoka still locked
      do you rike it

  58. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Tales of Arise was good. First tales I wanted to play sinces Graces F. Zero interest in Xillia, Zesteria,etc. I did not play the DLC simply because no new artes and new girl not being playable is just idiotic

  59. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Bamco will probably farm Tales off to some third-party.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Hearts R was done by some outside dev team and it turned out pretty good

  60. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >look at all this evilry the primary bad guy faction does, it's just so fricked up and heinous
    >by the way some eldritch/god/weird thing was actually the cause of it all the entire time

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That is every jrpg

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        shadow hearts covenant had like fricking 3 fake out final bosses

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Also, some random NPC drops the biggest twist (Renas=Danans) out of the blue and is never brought up ever again, even in the DLC.

      Or

      Rinwell getting a random realization in the Final Corridor that Rena and Dana was always one planet somehow.

  61. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    One thing that really bothered me about Arise was that Tales games usually get pretty wild with the stories and the will set out an initial goal that the party have in mind when starting the game but while learning more about the setting the game takes place in and story development it usually leads you in all kinds of crazy places but in Arise I spent the entire game waiting for something to change up the script of what the characters goals were only for it to fricking never happen and the game ends after exactly what they started out with. Made the game feel like half the length of a normal Tales game.

  62. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It seems we only get good Tales threads when everyone is collectively shitting on Arise.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      [...]

      Welcome to Ganker?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Only when Ednahomosexual isn't spamming

  63. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    When are they remaking Tales of Phantasia? It's still the best tales.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      26 years ago. And then again 14 years ago.

  64. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Still have no idea what Bandai namco are so allergic to porting games over to different platforms. Someone please make another Japanese toy company so that these morons finally get whipped into making non-moronic decisions.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >You will know at some point they trashed all the source codes because they never cared.
      I can bet solid money xilla is sitting dead on the ps3 because of that.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Allegedly, it's because it's too hard for the team, though I don't know if it's because of lack of manpower, skills, or budget. Maybe a combination of all three. Like another anon said, Vesperia, the game the west wanted for over a decade and was sure to bring in the cash, took about three years to do. Symphonia ports keep degrading in quality with every additional port made and people aren't happy with it.

  65. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  66. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The 7th gen was one of the biggest troughs for the series' overall quality. Vesperia was... okay, I guess... but the Xillia duology, Graces, and Symphonia 2 were mediocrity incarnate.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Xillia is great. Frick you.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is such a puzzling opinion to see. Objectively speaking Vesperia and Graces are the franchise at its peak.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Peak of what, exactly?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Gameplay, quality of content, in-depth mechanics, characters, technical performance, etc? Pretty much everything that actually matters in a Tales game those two almost mastered.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Graces f
            >characters and quality of content
            Oh I'm laffin'.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I definitely think Vesperia is by far the most overrated game in the series.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          it's like 3/4ths good and calling it "best tales games" is not very high praise

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            But it's not the best Tales game. It's not even close to being hte best Tales game. Take any game released since Symphonia and like 50/50 they're better than Vesperia. Symphonia, Abyss, Xillia and Berseria are all better than Vesperia.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              i think abyss and xillia are pretty on par with it actually, yuri is just a hard protagonist to beat, especially when luke takes a fat half of the game to really develop

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I really can't understand the love Yuri gets. His ramblings with Repede are great, but nothing else about him really seems to warrant his popularity. Leon too, though I haven't gotten far enough in the game to know anything about him besides him being an edgy boi.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                he's got the same aloof appeal as Spike Spiegel even outside of the brief vigilante thing people usually quote. i like playing as a protagonist who already kinda knows what they're doing.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Yuri
                Pretty much almost all MCs before him were do-gooder idiots or just uninteresting. Or Veigue.
                And the fact that he's an adult meant that he would've had most of his teenage angst done and over with.
                >Leon
                Gets sympathy points in the remake. However, most of his fanbase from the original were because of 3 main things:
                - shipping bait with Stahn (not much)
                - Judas from D2
                - Hikaru Midorikawa

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There are three completely different versions of Leon and I don't know which one(s) are the popular ones. Judas is a great character, I'll say that much.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I really can't understand the love Yuri gets. His ramblings with Repede are great, but nothing else about him really seems to warrant his popularity. Leon too, though I haven't gotten far enough in the game to know anything about him besides him being an edgy boi.

                Literally the only reason people like Yuri is because he's an edgy kill people guy. He's not an interesting protagonist beyond that. At most he's a novelty. Frick you mention Luke but Luke actually is an interesting character.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Graces f and Xillia 2 are single-handedly better than 90% of the Tales catalogue, frick you.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No they fricking aren't. Graces f has one of the worst casts in the series and Xillia 2's medical debt nonsense is awful.

  67. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why is abyss side stuff so obtuse, are all the games like this

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Vesperia is even worse about it but after then they're pretty obvious to a first time player

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Look up Brionac from Vesperia and you'll scream.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What

      Vesperia is even worse about it but after then they're pretty obvious to a first time player

      said. Abyss and Vesperia are the absolute 2 worst games in the series for this shit. Even Symphonia wasn't too bad for missable shit.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      hidden bullshit was more common in jrpgs in the past because they wanted people to buy guides. that fell away as it became less profitable and annoyed players. you can see an almost linear process in the trails series, which started out with a bunch of missable shit and now points nearly everything out with explicit markers.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I take proud of unlocking suzu in phantasia all alone without guides or anything by my sheer autism because i had a crush for her.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Thank God for that to be honest. Secrets/hidden content is kino but when you make it permanently missable or on a gay timer then it's just stupid.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Stay the frick away from ff9.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I think the only time I've been happy with super hidden shit was in Persona 1, where your party members and even the story route would change, and you're not told what the frick to do to choose what you're going for.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            True but just thinking about recruiting kandori's brother, don't remeber the name, talking to his mom only ONCE or you fricked up all the chain. That was fricking moronic

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >hidden bullshit was more common in jrpgs in the past because they wanted people to buy guides.
        Not Tales but I've been playing Tactics Ogre this past week and it feels like barely anything in that game is actually explained to you and there are so many characters that I feel like I could recruit but just missed because I didn't check some completely arbitrary condition.

        Thank God for that to be honest. Secrets/hidden content is kino but when you make it permanently missable or on a gay timer then it's just stupid.

        Yeah I'm beyond happy devs have stopped doing this stupid shit. Literally nobody likes it. Honestly the biggest reason I tend to avoid old JRPGs which is a shame given how often they're so much better in gameplay and story than modern ones.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Hidden content is good, it stops games feeling like a theme park, it is implemented poorly sometimes though.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Hidden and missable are 2 separate things though. Like have something be hard to find sure that can be fun but arbitrary "whoops sorry you didn't talk to this random NPC on the other side of the world in between walking from one end of this forest to the other so you missed out on this weapon, a dungeon and the true ending". I think there's no justification for taking away the players ability to discover things at any point. There is no missable bit of content in any JRPG ever that wouldn't be better if you could discover it at any point in the game. There's really no excuse for it beyond what that anon said about wanting to sell you on overpriced guide books.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I think events that change the geography and/or population of the world are a good justification for content being missable. Then again I'm not autistic so I have no problem with not seeing every line of code in one playthrough.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                people mostly b***h about missables in the context of vesperia because they want to play judith but she's no fun at all to play as unless you used a guide from the beginning to get the brionac

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What does Brionac give to make her suddenly playable? I've never gotten the spear, but her basic kit is so horrendously awful that I can't imagine how it could singlehandedly save her.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                3 more hits in the basic aerial combo and super armor while in midair
                granted i haven't played in a long time but i do remember her kit doesn't go from unusable to fun until act 3

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Aerial Combo 3
                Aerial Armor
                Too bad the quest spans almost the entire game and you can only complete it right before the final dungeon

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Well I think that's a separate thing. When I think missable "content" I think gameplay. Flavour text is good worldbuilding but it's also fine to be missable because it doesn't actually impact the game.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Anon don't be disingenuous and try and downplay the complaint like you don't know what people are actually complaining about. When people complain about missable shit they're talking about shit like missing out on the best weapons in the game or entire quest lines. Massive things that really shouldn't be missable.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It, Vesperia, and to slightly lesser extent Xillia are like that.

      I think every other Tales is much more lenient with missable content.

  68. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the only positive I have for Zestiria is that the White Light instrumental is an excellent bass tester for sound systems

  69. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  70. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why does everyone hate Zesteria? I played Berseria recently and it's probably in my top 3 Tales games and probably has my favourite cast of any JRPG ever. Is it really that much worse?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Zest walked so Bers could run, basically. An empty game that attempted larger open field spaces but did nothing with them, horrific camera in battles that were within enclosed spaces, a boring story and cast, some people got upset with it for the male best friend pretty much being the real heroine of the story, and there's the whole Rose controversy. It was unremarkable and a borefest, to the point that its own anime adaptation was more interested in setting up Berseria's plot as early advertising than actually trying to care for Zestiria.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I actually liked that battles took place on the same part of the map you initiated them in. If they worked on the camera a little more so it wouldn't get stuck in walls, which is such an amateur mistake it lends credibility to the game's rushed state, I really would've liked this part overall. The fusion shit was a huge mistake though.
        It's still kind of sad because for all its faults Zestiria was the last game in the series to really feel like part of it.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They shafted a girl character and made incel tourists upset in Japanese message boards and S*nkakucomplex.

      Also, battles happen semi-seemlessly on the map, so the camera can get wonky if you initiate a battle in a type corridor/doorway. Some people don't like how the game emphasizes the fusion mechanic to do damage, but I personally only used it to revive and didn't have a problem even on the highest difficulties. Lastly, some people don't like the equipment upgrading system but that's a skill issue, I think the game gives you plenty of tutorials and ways of manipulating the skills you find though normins and lord of the land.

  71. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    is tales of arise the one that bait and switched the main girl for the director's waifu and they had to apologize

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No that's Zestiria. It was so bad that Rose's (the director, Hideo Baba's, waifu) voice actor had to dogeza in public as an apology to Tales fans.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That was fricked. Imagine having to apologize because the game's director, not you, fricked up and had a crush on your real life person so he rewrote the game to give your character more protagonism over the game's heroine. Poor VA.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          ? neither girl was the heroine, what are you talking about? mikleo had such a death grip on the role it was almost comical in retrospect. it's interesting that the drama unfolded between two waifu characters who were ultimately irrelevant.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Pre-release, Alisha was given the focus and the way she's represented in the plot, becomes a party members and acts in the plot definitely makes her seem like the Colette/Tear/Milla equivalent. Also iirc she becomes the main girl in the anime that tried to fix things over the game. She's the focus when she first enters the plot but then gets shifted for Rose. That was one of the reasons why Rose and her VA got into that whole drama in the first place.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              yeah, the pre-release stuff is what i remember suggesting one of the girls would be the heroine. i think they still sometimes pretended rose was the "official" heroine after the fact as the most prominent girl, but we all know that's a crock. the anime tried to fix a number of issues, but as i recall it also made the mistake of focusing too much on the girls, a highly questionable decision for the fujo game and one where the girls do not matter to the plot at all.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >as an apology
        One day, far in the future, this bullshit will stop being posted.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          why don't you use your words and say what you actually mean instead of being such a homosexual about it

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            She was worried going into the festival because of the backlash towards Zestiria, and her character being central to that backlash. The dogeza was out of thanks for the audience accepting her, that's it. She wasn't "forced to apologize" by Namco.

  72. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I rarely ever drop games past the first 3-5 hours, but frick I got so fatigued with this piece of shit towards the end, I actually dropped it in the final section. Was the only tales I played other than symphonia. Dead series

  73. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Tales of Arise sold well its just that I think they realized it was better to move onto other things and just simply did what they could with the DLC.
    at the same time though I feel like nothing being announced at the festival is a pretty telling sign for anyone wo ever enjoyed a tales game especially since inomata died this year

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >move on to other things
      now that their new online division fricking failed massively maybe focus can shift back to the JRPG.

  74. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm wondering where you go from here. More casualization and appeal towards western audiences, alienating the long-term and Japanese fans? A back-to-roots? They can't even release a remaster of Symphonia without fricking it up and it's still using downgraded PS2 assets to this day, I don't even want to imagine what trying to drum up nostalgia might end up as.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Japan hasn't given a shit about this series since the PS3 era. Xillia was the last semi-successful Tales game. Graces and Vesperia didn't really sell well. The series commercial peak was the late 5th and early 6th gens. It has all been downhill from there.

  75. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I love Abyss so hard it's unreal bros, it's been my favorite game since I was like 2013. Tales of has kinda died but I'd give anything for a PC port of the game I adore.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >canon love interests
      >sorey and rose
      At least put Stahn and Rutee, Kyle and Reala, Shing and Kohaku, or Ruce and Iria in there or something.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm pretty sure Milla and Jude is one-sided?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          In Xillia 2 they go farther, pretty sure its not one-sided there

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >since I was like 2013
      since I was like 13* oops haha

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Man, never realized what a cool design Rose has. It's like the perfect not sexualized female design. Its a shame she gets so much hate.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Colette has a better design.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          She's cute but a bit too... moronic. And her clothes are bland.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Luke and Tear only one holding hands.

      only true couple

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i compulsively pronounce sorey's name in my head like goofy saying sora

  76. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    All the Tales game are such boring uninspired generic anime drama slop. I refuse to believe there are actually people that are fans of this series unironically.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's the soda of JRPGs - something you play when you kind of just wanna zone and indulge in 7/10 seasonal slop. It's why the series by nature can never have a game that's above an 8/10.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        And yet, Eternia exists.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        this, i pretty much play a tales game when i want to look at weapons that actually have unique models and look at silly skits

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Tales is mass produced slop with bad gameplay and story just like most rpgs. If you wanted a good storyline you could read a VN like SG but zoomers don't have time for that anymore.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >reads babies first VN
        >calls others zoomer
        Irony

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          SG is probably the best first VN a person can read and it's better put together than any jrpg story for sure.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Not even in my top 3.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Visual novels are barely games and they're all poorly paced nonsense.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          no i must read this excruciatingly long and unsexy hotel sex scene with atari dumbledore i definitely don't wanna skip to nrvnsqr eating people with crocodiles

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Tales is comfy. You wouldn't understand it.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        VNs are not mass produced slop?????

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Compared to jrpgs as a genre, no.

  77. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Arise was only good up to this boss then it fell off incredibly hard

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      shame you get the sick ass armor RIGHT after it too

  78. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Good. I bought Arise of sale, played a bit and then refunded it. Dogshit series

  79. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Maybe they should stop making every game more and more otaku-bait, and return to the cool stylish Tales of Symphonia art style.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Maybe they should stop making every game more and more otaku-bait
      Except they're doing literally the opposite of that. Ever since Symphonia Tales has gotten more and more normalgay bait. They should appeal more to the otaku who kept the series running instead of normalgays and yume who want to frick men.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        How was Symphonia exceptional in anyway to prior games in the series? It's changes to the series' formula were almost entirely centered on introducing 3D combat. Everything was typical Tales content.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Symphonia was when the otaku pandering was at it's max(literally choose your waifu ending is peak otaku pandering) and every game since has been less so.

          God, your tastes are so bad, that you're actually seeing everything inverted. No, all the new games look more otaku-y. All the games prior to Syphonia look like classic fantasy. Symphonia is a stand out in the sense that it's not classic fantasy. But it didn't go full moron with the modern geometric shapes that plague otaku-y designs.

          And it sounds to me like you're incapable of speaking without buzzwords. Next you'll complain about Final Fantasy for it's staple modernish fantasy/sci-fi blend. What you're describing isn't "otaku" you dumb Black person ape. It's just the game's style.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            And the previous games didn't have anything of the sort. They either had Canon romances or nothing at all.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              And they were less popular than Symphonia. When people think Tales, they think Symphonia. Symphonia IS Tales.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't know a single person who played Symphonia for its waifu shit. Not one. Its appeal was being one of like 5 JRPGs on the Game Cube and its novel combat system.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you must not have looked very hard then because there were some loud ass preseagays out there

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not some zoomer who hangs out on Twitter or the Steam forums, so of course not. Even most GameFAQs nerds didn't give a shit about that.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                anon almost no one on twitter or steam talks about symphonia
                also gb2gamefaqs

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So are you basing this shit on a handful of Ganker threads? You know this board is rarely representative of any fandom.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Even most GameFAQs nerds didn't give a shit about that.
                Yup it was SO3 vs TOS all the time and calling Regal a pedophile.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes and people love Persona over SMT because of it's interesting and deep social mechanics. Fricking moron. Otaku pandering sells. Cope.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Persona 5 sold because its flashy menus over substance and Phantom thieves are a cool premise.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        God, your tastes are so bad, that you're actually seeing everything inverted. No, all the new games look more otaku-y. All the games prior to Syphonia look like classic fantasy. Symphonia is a stand out in the sense that it's not classic fantasy. But it didn't go full moron with the modern geometric shapes that plague otaku-y designs.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          vesperia's pretty fantasy themed still but yeah when you start seeing characters wearing dress shirts something's gone off

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The series absolutely never stooped so low to appeal to coomers and otaku... until Arise with Kisara and she's the least popular girl in the series.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >I have literally only played Arise: the post

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I played all the games. The only times they tossed a bone to coomers was with random sexualized large-breasted characters like Sheena, Judith, and Ines and the sexualized remarks are confined to one or two skits for laughs and is not constantly brought up in literally every piece of promotional art, opening movies, and costumes like with Kisara butt.

            I think Tales and Final Fantasy (barring X-2)are the only JRPGs that keeps the sexualization of its female characters to a minimum.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >only JRPGs
              There are others.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >I played all the games.
              You called Kisara the least popular girl in the series. No you didn't

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I concede. Find me an recent official popularity poll pass the Arise honeymoon period with her not at rock bottom.
                She's unpopular regardless out of all Arise characters. I wouldn't be even surprised if Zephyr is more popular.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Official popularity polls don't show characters below a certain ranking for reasons that I think should be obvious

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I think you spent too much time reading Ganker getting horny over her ass because it absolutely was not treated any different from the big titty characters you mentioned.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          brother you choose who you get to romance in symphonia, sheena has her fat breasts on display. plenty of titles throughout the games just put the girls in bikinis.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >The series absolutely never stooped so low to appeal to coomers and otaku.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            isn't there a hot spring side quest in just about every one of the 3d games too

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              yeah, so the claim that otaku pandering "started with arise" is pretty fricking laughable.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Arise is like the least Otaku pandering game we've had in decades.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                wasn't that the whole point of the game. it's another series that sold its soul to the "western appeal" meme.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah it was literally made with Western audiences in mind.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >least popular girl in the series
          This is why Bamco needs to start porting these games. Because otherwise you get people saying shit like this in full confidence

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I miss Production IG.

  80. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sex with Suzu
    Sex with Chelsea
    Sex with Meredy
    Sex with Reala
    Sex with Presea
    Sex with Shirley
    Sex with Anise
    Sex with Arietta
    Sex with Patty
    Sex with Nan
    Sex with Gauche
    Sex with Droite
    Sex with Beryl
    Sex with Sophie
    Sex with Elize
    Sex with Elle
    Sex with Edna

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Best post in the thread

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >no Tear
      worst post in the thread.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >no "sex with Tear"
      based, because that's me you can keep all the other hags

  81. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    for me, it's berseria

  82. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It would be better if they'd be honest that the fire has gone out and move on to something else. They never did better than Symphonia, and never matched it either. The move to 3D combat also utterly ruined the combo play that was one of the best parts of the series.

  83. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The only Tales of games I’ve played are Vesperia, Xillia 1/2, Zestiria, Berseria and Arise. I enjoyed them all. Didn’t use the dubs

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >only 1 decent game in that list
      I'm so sorry.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >he enjoys games

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Is enjoying the games an option?

  84. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I understand Baba. You made the right choice.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nah. Frick Baba. I'm glad he got blacklisted because he literally went and made three major companies despise him. The dude is never going to work in the industry again.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I think Baba gets more hate than he deserves, seeing as how he was also responsible for Destiny DC and Xillia 2, but he's definitely past his heyday.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Man, Xillia 2 was probably the peak narrative-wise. It somehow managed to be the sequel to a game, essentially make the party from the first game side characters giving way to Ludger and Elle, then made the ending into a tear jerker and all based around alternate universes and stuff. Tales of did nothing but go down after Xillia 2, prove me wrong

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Ludger had a hard life.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Xillia 2 is the right way to make something like FFX-2, FFXIII-2 or VII's Compilation. Prove me wrong.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          for me x2 was an early warning sign of the character nonsense to come because i absolutely hated the conceits and annoyingly forced melodrama that made up that game's story.
          >hurr enjoy this extremely stupid contrivance justifying anything the mc does
          >here's some more arbitrary drama for milla
          >hurr you wouldn't kill cute rori daugheteru, would you
          i shadow realmed that b***h so fast and then got the extra ending where you just get an old cameo party to kill the final boss for you.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            How the frick do you play Tales but have a problem with stupid contrivances. Vesperia was the pinnacle of stupid contrivances for me, but people still love it to death. And that arbitrary drama with Milla isn't exlusive to X2. Counterparts from alternate timelines being unable to coexist in the same timeline isn't an idea crafted solely for this game.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              stupid contrivances are fine when they don't elbow me in the ribs and demand that i cry. if it's some basic thing that makes the plot run like multiverses or characters having moronic opinions, it's whatever, but emotional manipulation just doesn't work for me unless it's handled well.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I think you're just out for bad blood against Xillia 2 because it never seemed emotionally manipulative to me. It's a game that almost revels in having sad moments, but it never tries to force you to feel like you should cry.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                i actually quite enjoyed playing the game despite it being determined to be a downer at every turn, which didn't do it for me.
                that particular criticism of manipulation is really just reserved for the e-girl they leaned super hard into getting the player to like so they could bamboozle them with a sad ending. if you're naturally skeptical of cute little girls, the whole setup feels very much like the writers are showing their hand.
                i appreciate that others found that part effective though. if it worked for them, great!

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I agree with you anon. The ending brought Xillia 2 from being like an 8/10 to a 6. I genuinely consider it to be one of the worst endings to a video game ever and completely pissed me off with how forced and contrived it was.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                i will say, in fairness, that they at least didn't FORCE you to take that ending and had some relatively acceptable alternatives you can choose as "yours" even if they wanted to pretend saving the e-girl was the real ending

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'd actually disagree there. Making it a choice cheapened the entire thing for me and exposed it as lazy emotional manipulation with it's "look you have to make the hard choice look at how deep and edgy this game is". It completely killed Luger as a character too, well what little character he did have anyway(seriously why the frick was he a silent protagonist?). I would have much preferred there only be one ending. Have a bitter sweet ending sure. Probably would have still disliked it but at least it wouldn't insult me like the actual ending choice did.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                we don't really disagree much here. the choice is also part of the manipulation. it's just somewhat redeemable because you are at least offered the option of rejecting it for yourself. i'd probably have a much lower opinion if they banked entirely on killing yourself for a e-girl not being a dealbreaker.
                >silent protagonist
                i forgot about that part, but that was also a component of their trickery. you'll feel more personally involved in the choice if we make him a quasi-self-insert character, right? right? and in ng+ he can voice his decisions for some reason.

                >requires you to buy into their drama instead of taking other reasonable routes
                I mean, you spend the entire game with Elle by your side. No matter what no other Elle will be *that* Elle. Given Ludger already "sacrifices" his brother for the greater good, I don't think it's that weird to imagine he'd be willing to give his life for the girl that he loves (and no, not in that way you degenerates)

                the problem is when you don't particularly care for her as a character. making that the central feature of the game's ending is risky.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Anon you don't need to care about her. You need to believe Luger cares about her. Your personal feelings for her are irrelevant.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                the game was explicitly marketed as it being a choice the player should feel resonsible for, not what they think the character would do, so no. it is designed to be a self-insert decision where you choose with your own feelings. that's the theme of the game. they gave lots of warning.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Luger is not a self insert. That's the fricking problem. You can't just have a character with his own thoughts and feelings and then go "you need to be the one to choose". Black person I'm not Luger. I choose the self sacrifice ending because the other one made literally no sense. That's exactly why I'm saying it being a choice in the first place was a fricking terrible idea.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                he's literally a self-insert. if you can't accept this absolutely fundamental and explicitly clear part of the game, anything else you have to say is irrelevant.

                >you're the only one projecting here
                >no u
                lmao
                >except the traditional criticism has been that she appeals specifically to incels. get your story straight.
                According to who? You can't say "get your story straight" for something YOU brought up moron. I've never believed Xillia 2 appeals to "incels" that's all you talking.

                yes, you.
                >according to whom
                people who were there at the time, which evidently does not include you. or else you're lying because you think no one will notice you're trying to argue the game that wants you to care about a silent protagonist's perfect cute daughter in a story where you make fatherly decisions as the protagonist isn't designed to appeal to smelly otaku.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >he's literally a self-insert. if you can't accept this absolutely fundamental and explicitly clear part of the game, anything else you have to say is irrelevant.
                No he isn't and you're a moron. The choice makes no sense and shouldn't have been in the game because it ruins the ending.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >people who were there at the time, which evidently does not include you. or else you're lying because you think no one will notice you're trying to argue the game that wants you to care about a silent protagonist's perfect cute daughter in a story where you make fatherly decisions as the protagonist isn't designed to appeal to smelly otaku.
                Again the projection is off the charts.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I mean yeah, if you reach the end of the game and you somehow don't care about Elle then the central game pillar has failed, there's nothing to do about it

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >i'd probably have a much lower opinion if they banked entirely on killing yourself for a e-girl not being a dealbreaker.
                Well I say we do actually disagree much cause that to me would be the only acceptably outcome. The other choice is the one I say kills Luger's character because I don't believe he'd ever make that choice given he literally just killed his own brother 5 seconds earlier.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't know anon, I loved the endings precisely because there's no real "good" ending. Like yeah sure you can sacrifice yourself for this Elle, but why not just create a timeline where you'll meet your world's Elle's mom (was Lara her name?)? Or depending on your emotions, are all these strangers even worth your dear brother's life? I can totally see why some people might think the Normal ending is better than the True ending. It's a game and a series of endings that mange to hit the heartstrings, I feel

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                that's partly why i didn't like it. the "true" ending, meaning the one they expect people to take as the real resolution to the story, is the one that requires you to buy into their drama instead of taking other reasonable routes. but there are other endings, which partly saves it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >requires you to buy into their drama instead of taking other reasonable routes
                I mean, you spend the entire game with Elle by your side. No matter what no other Elle will be *that* Elle. Given Ludger already "sacrifices" his brother for the greater good, I don't think it's that weird to imagine he'd be willing to give his life for the girl that he loves (and no, not in that way you degenerates)

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If you think erasing a child or murdering all your friends are the "reasonable" endings then you need to be sectioned and institutionalized. How the frick can anyone take any other ending but the self sacrifice ending as the reasonable one?
                >hur she'd be born again anyway
                No she fricking wouldn't. That's not how that works.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                not everyone is an incel homosexual like you. if i don't like a character, i don't appreciate a story trying to tell me i should like them and then basing the plot and its resolution around this assumption. making said character an anime daughter reeks of baiting otaku into projection. your arguments are pointless and your value judgement is embarrassing. i won't stop liking things you like and i won't start caring that it hurts your feelings.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The projection levels are off the charts. Absolutely seething incel rage.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you're the only one projecting here
                >incel rage
                except the traditional criticism has been that she appeals specifically to incels. get your story straight.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >you're the only one projecting here
                >no u
                lmao
                >except the traditional criticism has been that she appeals specifically to incels. get your story straight.
                According to who? You can't say "get your story straight" for something YOU brought up moron. I've never believed Xillia 2 appeals to "incels" that's all you talking.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                homie she's not even your kid. She didn't even belong in that dimension the frick am i killing myself for someone else's nut for? If Fractured Milla has to go so can she

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                t. gay Black person

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I like Luke crossplay Rose

  85. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    in the Tales' games demos on Steam, they just flood you with the game's mechanics all at once.

    do the full games do a better job of gradually introducing the mechanics piece by piece?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes. Mechanics are gradually added as the story goes on for the first several hours.
      Unless you specifically transferred NG+ stuff from a clear, all files should be like this should you start a game.

  86. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Elympios game with actual new Elympios content when?

  87. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I wanted to like Arise but the damage sponge bosses just killed all momentum whenever they came up.

  88. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    We go by AbyssGods btw

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      long hair luke > short hair luke

  89. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The absolute state of Tales threads
    >Ednagays are the only ones who create threads, usually doomposting about the series
    >Scamco refuses to make a new game
    >People hate Arise now despite it being the best selling Tales game
    >Arise is still a sore spot and even mentioning it causes seething
    >Mentioning any Tales game here now causes seething
    >ToD 2 fan Translation progressing and seemingly will be finished soon
    >ToR fan Translation supposedly close to finishing up as well
    >The final active mobile game,Tales of the Rays, just announced EOS for July. Meaning the only steady stream of content we've gotten will be lost forever soon.
    >Tales of Festivial just happened and literally nothing was announced.
    >Every PS3 Tales title has been delisted
    >Inomata, the soul of the series, died.
    >With no way to support the series or play a lot of the older titles fans are left with the ones on steam
    >People hate Berseria and Zestiria here
    >Tides are shifting on Vesperia and Symphonia now too
    >Scamco doesn't want you to support Tales
    >Fans hate Tales and only want to doompost about it now
    >Promises of something happening next year for the anniversary
    In the mean time, I'm going to play all the japanese titles while learning because I love Tales unlike Ganker.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Tides are shifting on Vesperia and Symphonia now too
      i wouldn't really say that's a "now" thing, Vesperia's been called overrated for a fat minute and Symphonia was always kinda mocked
      people seem to be appreciating Abyss more now though which is cool

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        People who don't think Symphonia is kino need to unironically kill themselves.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Sex with Sheena and Raine.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Abyss has always been loved in the broader internet from what I've seen, it's just that Ganker is contrarian about it like they always are

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Abyss just felt like a crappier Symphonia followup to me. Not necessarily bad, but a less polished product overall. The dungeons were worse, the mid-game pacing was terrible, and the world map has got to be one of the worst I've ever seen in a 3D JRPG.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I played Abyss 3DS before I even started using this place and I disliked the game a lot. I dislike the main cast except Guy so much it's unreal and if I dislike the cast in a JRPG then the game might as well be dead to me.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Funny, Ganker tends to dislike everyone buy Guy because he's the one that stays by Luke's side while others like Jade dislike him post-Akzeriuth post he's voiced by DMC Nero

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            > I dislike the main cast except Guy so much it's unreal
            I came around on them in the end (except Anise) but I still get irrationally angry over that scene after Akzeriuth where everyone just completely shits on Luke. Unironically not his fault

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >irrationally
              At least you're self-aware. You're a step ahead of the rest of the people who can't understand a very easy to understand scene. No one ever says Luke is at fault.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I mean yeah I get why that scene has to be there (and ultimately I can appreciate Abyss for approaching character development amongst party members way different than most other JRPGs have) but it having to sit through it still sucks ass

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's because Abyss is baby first Tales and had anime series

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Most people's first Tales at least back in the day was Symphonia, that's Tales' equivalent of FFVII from what I've seen. It's why people wanted Lloyd in Smash years ago for example.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I wonder how much better the series would've done if Bamco didn't engage in an absurd amount of platform hopping between 2004 and 2011.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        tales of dragon tempest remains my most played entry

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Shut up you sexycute racist

  90. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    so, which arte, Ganker? for me it's DESTRUCTION DESTRUCTION DESTRUCTION DESTRUCTION DESTRUCTION DESTRUCTION DESTRUCTION DESTRUCTION DESTRUCTION FIELD

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I always like Reid's Omega Demon Chaos. What a name.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      O BRILLIANT BLADE OF COLDEST STEEL

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      TIME TO LEARN SOME HUMILITY! TIME TO LEARN SOME HUMILITY! TIME TO LEARN SOME HUMILITY!

      OH LOOK A SHOOTING STAR! OH LOOK A SHOOTING STAR! OH LOOK A SHOOTING STAR! OH LOOK A SHOOTING STAR!

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      MY CONSCIOUSNESS EXTENDS TO THE DEPTHS

  91. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder that Innocence R's fan translation is pretty much complete and both it and Hearts R are finishable on Vita3K. If you haven't played them then you should, not having a Vita isn't an excuse anymore.

  92. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Abyss is garbage, I had to force myself to play it to the end.
    The fonon "lore" sucks ASS. The characters SUCK, only Jade and Tear are good. Luke is one of the worst protagonists of all time.
    >b-but muh development
    He was actually a better character at the beginning of the game because he at least had a personality.

    It was the only Tales of game I nearly dropped, basides Vesperia (for different reasons).

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      t. Van

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I dropped Vesperia because of how terrible the gameplay was. It's so clunky and stiff that playing it was insufferable. I've seen people claim it as one of hte best and I see that you unlock a lot more features as you progress but if I'm 20 hours in and the gameplay is still THIS bad I don't give a shit how good it gets later. Too little too late.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That was the reason I dropped it too. I got quite late into the game and couldn't force myself to do it anymore. The story and characters weren't good enough to keep me going.
        It's weird how even Phantasia felt a lot better to play than Vesperia.

  93. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    just finished symphonia are the games that came after it worth playing?

  94. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Tales is dead
    It's over

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      sharing a grill with other dudes is pretty fricking gay ngl

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Sharing is caring

  95. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >All this Abyss hate
    Finally vindicated after 12 years

  96. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Imaging taking Tales stories seriously.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Rutee, Mary, and Stahn traveling the world as lens hunters after beating Leon to a pulp is the canon ending to Destiny.

  97. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >this series is fricking dead,
    and it is very easy to revive it. Just make a game with
    Graces Combat
    Symphonia Abyss Vesperia dungeons
    No shiphomosexualry, target males not fujos so have romance options for the MC including males to win both lmao
    Overworld map and towns

  98. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The best ending is when Cress, Stahn, Rutee, and Mint beat the shit out of the final boss for you and save the day.

  99. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Make a self insert Tales with LMBS and dating sim shit. Guaranteed money maker

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They never would because too many characters have canon relationships. But I'd still play it

  100. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why did they have to kill Rays man. Not every gacha needs to be like Genshit

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Wouldn't be surprised if they're making another gacha so every player would have to start from scratch again, ergo roll and whale, since many players can easily clear all content with 10k-13k power units.
      I remember seeing a 12k Van on my friend list.

  101. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Ednahomosexual trying to detail actual Tales discussion
    Frick off parasite

  102. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Based.

    >Ednahomosexual trying to detail actual Tales discussion
    Frick off parasite

    Cringe. We dont need another pointless Tales discussion

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Shut up and go make more samegayged Edna threads that struggle to stay alive

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        nta but I'd rather no threads over threads bumped solely by Edna webms

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Your wish is my command

  103. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  104. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Working Hard Every Day Toward #3240923094 Turn Based Gaijin Slop
    is this joke right?

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