TERASTAL FOR DEFENSE

Why is everyone on this mindset that the new gimmick is an offense-only advantage? aDrive had an example on his latest video where he said "imagine fire tera Ferothorn. I don't know why anyone would do that..."

But I do. I actually play the game. Fake shiny hunting twitch cucks only think on crowd hype.

Fero is 4x weak to fire. Terastalling fire would remove both fire-weak types and make it suddenly only fire type for .5× damage. Being able to force your own type for the game is a huge momentum pivot. But y'all carebear shiny hunters wouldn't think that far.

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you'd want Ferro into Water tbtbh not Fire
    because Water has generally less common weaknesses than Fire

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The pointed stones dug into Ferrothorn!

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >aDrive
    I hate that I have to share a board with gays like you, holy fuck.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      if u don't hate watch that honey-badger looking fucker on youtube, you're not a real pokemon fan

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I only watch them ironically, haha..

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I don't watch any Poketubers because it's either a playthrough of a shitty romhack I'm never going to touch or a top ten list of the most obvious shit they pulled from one of our threads. Imagine giving views to these fucking low-effort losers.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        please don't insult honey badgers like that
        thank you

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      YOOOOOO WASUP ITS YA GOY DANG, AKA GAYDRIVE

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Shiny hunters when their children are a different color

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ganker is infested with the underage and the zoomers to the brim. Nothing can be done about them and their cancer now so better just pretend you don't notice it.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    fart probably because speculating competitive this early is foolish + yes you are correct most of this board plays solo/casually and that's perfectly ok you can play pokemon however the fuck you want
    no need to insult people because they don't want to discuss fanfic meta, there's other forums that are exclusively focused on that
    you should go back

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    zzzz, zzzzzz... Woops sorry, i was sleeping because this gimmick is so boring and anecdotical

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >waaaaaaah 10 new mons should have gotten more spikes you don't understand

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Too bad because i never liked megas, gmax or zmoves.
        Do you guys think that ferrothorn with a fire hat will be better than ferrothorn with a ground hat haha i don't really know! Adrive "adrive" told me that the fire hat will be better the smogoone guy will add this in gen 9 OU HYYYYYYPE no you can't one shot my ferrothorn with your flamethrower because it has the Crystal Fire Hat That Make Him Fire Type!™

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          gay I'm literally the first poster that said Ferro into Fire was retarded.
          Anyway Teras are based for Gen 9 OU hype, exactly. whatever anon

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >esl tries a new word
      You'll get it eventually

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The gimmick is fine. In fact I know a lot of people wanted Gamefreak to bring Delta species from the cards and this is basically it.

      Might it help to have better clarification on the gimmicks abilities? Yes.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I know a lot of people wanted Gamefreak to bring Delta species from the cards and this is basically it.
        I thought that was regional variants?

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because that would be a waste of a mon as most defensemons switch out too many times for it to be used like that.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >switch type to fire
    >live one fire attack
    >get rewarded by... landing leech seed?
    Or you could have switched to your fire resist lol

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No to mention that now you have a useless fire type ferrothorn for the rest of game, and you wasted your gimmick meaning you're losing out on a potential crucial OHKO later in game. In short, you suck at the game OP.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If you think that using Gmax defensively is bad play, you pee sitting down and never hit Great Ball on online comp.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Gmax lasts 3 turns, doubles your heath and has some effects that affect your field or your opponents field. "Defensive terra" is line choice specs Blissey. You might get a kill, but you're losing out on much more than you're getting.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Fire-Z Garchmop virgin vs Fire-Tera Ferothorn enjoyer

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >"imagine fire tera Ferothorn. I don't know why anyone would do that..."
      Because it's a retarded idea. If a pokemon is dual type, terastallizing only changes a pokemon's primary typing.
      In Ferrothorn's case (Grass/Steel), it would change Grass to Fire. Making him a Fire/Steel.

      Fire/Steel is defensively weaker than Grass/Steel. You're trading in a 4x Fire weakness for a 4x Ground AND a 2x Water weakness. Good luck getting raped by EQs and water attacks. You better hope Lando is not in the game.

      Okay, to play devil's advocate, let us all pretend that it DOES turn Grass/Steel Ferrothorn into a monotype Fire.

      In that case, WHY would you ever want to run a Firethorn? Fire is one of the worst defensive typings in the game. Aside from EQ spam and water attacks, you also get screwed by Stealth Rocks. Regardless of however Terastallizing works or not, using a Fire Tera Ferrothorn is a shitty idea either way.

      Fire Ferrothorn is probably not the best example, but in that case, would regular Ferrothorn be that useful in a match-up against Sun?
      In that case, used rather use Water.
      What about Magnezone teams?
      That case, something like Ground or Pure Grass would be good.
      Since the mechanic is optional, you can be Grass/Steel Ferrothorn when you need to be, and Water, Grass, Ground, Ghost, or Fairy Ferrothorn when the opposing team would otherwise make Ferrothorn match up better.

      A better example would be making Heatran Grass so that it’s useful against Rain and against heavy Ground spam, or to beat opposing Heatran that aren’t Grass.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Pivot. So if you Tera fire and then Bulldoze the fire type that was expecting to 4x kill, you don't need STAB to turn the tide. There was also a leak that all Pokémon will get access to moves for all 18 types, so there's no telling how that gets expanded.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >bulldoze ferrothorn
      KEK. Let say your gimmick worked, your physically offensive ferrothorn somehow got a kill. It's now useless for the rest of the game. You wasted a mon and a gimmick to get one kill. Not exactly a favourable trade anon.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >"imagine fire tera Ferothorn. I don't know why anyone would do that..."
    Because it's a retarded idea. If a pokemon is dual type, terastallizing only changes a pokemon's primary typing.
    In Ferrothorn's case (Grass/Steel), it would change Grass to Fire. Making him a Fire/Steel.

    Fire/Steel is defensively weaker than Grass/Steel. You're trading in a 4x Fire weakness for a 4x Ground AND a 2x Water weakness. Good luck getting raped by EQs and water attacks. You better hope Lando is not in the game.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Holy shit you're a retard. It removes both types and replaces it with the pure typing of its Tera after using the gimmick.

      Do research first next time.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Read the Kaka leaks next time, buddy.
        The latest trailer confirmed that he isn't bullshitting you.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I got some caca for you, kid

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, I know you're full of shit, gay.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          anon Kaka doesn't really have a better grasp of the gimmick than we do

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Khu's already explained it in full and retweeted a pic that he called accurate. A dual type will become a monotype, if that monotype corresponds to any previous the the moves get an extra boost

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Okay, to play devil's advocate, let us all pretend that it DOES turn Grass/Steel Ferrothorn into a monotype Fire.

            In that case, WHY would you ever want to run a Firethorn? Fire is one of the worst defensive typings in the game. Aside from EQ spam and water attacks, you also get screwed by Stealth Rocks. Regardless of however Terastallizing works or not, using a Fire Tera Ferrothorn is a shitty idea either way.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >let us all pretend that it DOES turn Grass/Steel Ferrothorn into a monotype Fire.
              Mono fire Ferro is stupid but it DOES turn them monotype dipshit. Khu literally confirmed it

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Khu literally confirmed it
                You're a retard for trusting that lying gay

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >calling him a liar because you're salty you can't see his tweets
                High chance he blocked you because you're a retard

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >having a Twitter account
                sounds like a (You) problem

                >can't read filenames

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                [...]

                .jpg
                Retard.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >can't tell what a repost is
                Newfag.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >having a Twitter account
                sounds like a (You) problem

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          kaka said it didn't changed the type at all, just gave stab. He was already proven wrong.
          His leaks are real, but he is dumb and doesn't know how shit he actually used work.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      ffs how many times will we have to say that it DOESN'T work like this.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ferro is not in the game

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT A-DRIVE THINKS.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It could be pretty good for Pokemon who are held back by their bad defensive typing. Like, a Steel Avalugg would legitimately be a horrifying tank to go up against due to it's already fine statline and the fact that it as access to Recover-it might legitimately be worth it to give up o extra offensive pressure for the sake of making your tank nigh-unstoppable

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Finally someone that actually plays Pokemon.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The problem with Steel Avalugg is that if, for whatever reason, a Steel Avalugg isn't particularly helpful in a particular match, you're stuck with a shitty Ice Avalugg on your team. The power in Terastal, in my view, is that it has the versatility of Dynamax without being brain-dead "make mon bigger". Rather than designing teams with a single mon you want to Tera, you'll see people building teams where any Mon could go Tera to shore-up bad match-ups. Against some teams you'll be able to just spam electric regieleki or grass rillaboom as a glorified win-button, other matches you'll do something tactical like fire magnezone or steel toxapex or something. The point being that each of these pokemon is still a good asset to the team if you don't need to terastyle it, whereas Avalugg is dead weight in some matchups.

      tl;dr Terastal isn't a buildaround like megas and bringing a shitmon just to change its type is bad eye-em-aitch-oh senpai

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Whats the best type for Chansey/Blissey?

    Fairy?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes.
      though it means you are getting hit by Ghost moves now.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Chansey/Blissey would likely be best in Fairy or Ghost, but as a secondary Tera.
      Blissey does not need Tera to do its main job, but can do its job against things that would beat it, while allowing another teammate to use it if the matchup favors it.

      Fairy would likely be the best overall, while Ghost is slightly better if you specifically wanted an out to Fighting, or a way to switch out if your Chansey gets trapped. The usefulness of Ghost will depend almost entirely on what trapping options are available.

      Ghost Tera in general is probably the best "I don't plan to use this, BUT" option, entirely because of it beating trapping in one action, if it offers additional utility beyond that, that's just gravy.
      But, it's pretty much obvious that Tera is going to be most useful unlocking pokemon with shitty STAB options like Dragonite, pokemon with godtier stats, moves, and abilities but cursed type combos like Avalugg, Volcarona, Frosmoth, or Aggron or something, or allowing a sweep to roll over a pokemon that SHOULD stop it, but can't if that DD Salamence is suddenly dealing an extra x2 damage on its Earthquake, or shrugging off that Ice Shard.
      Ironically, I suspect a lot of Dragons dropping Dragon in favor of their other type, or just something else altogether will be pretty common.
      Depending on if the rumors of Terrastal having an attack that shifts type on use, and what mechanics that move has, we might also see weird shit like entire classes of pokemon, like the gigacursed Physical Electric type entirely replaced by shit like Flygon or something.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    OP here. What were you genwunners thinking? Do you truly feel that you can just press the Terastal button and suddenly win? This isn't the anime. Momentum is key.

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because official material only focused on offense by telling you it powers up moves, and brainlets can't think for themselves.

    A big question for me is how Tera effects status moves, that's something that could potentially make defensive/support mons strong. Like, does normal Tera do anything to buff Protect, Recover, Helping Hand etc? Maybe moves like Will-o-wisp and Thunder Wave become 100% accurate, or make the status last longer if it's like PLA. Anything can happen.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why would you do this? Grass/Steel is a great defensive typing already.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah. You'd definitely not waste your Tera on Ferro unless you're in critical danger like say Choice Blaziken is rampaging through your team
      >muh Blaziken cut-
      Nat Dex is still the only format that matters.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ferrothron is not in the game

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The ever presence of water will always make fire a tricky one to use defensively.

    Yeah it definitely would help ferothorn negate his huge weakness, but it would probably still die to surf.

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ganker is stupid.
    They value STAB way too much and think only in high damage outputs you can get. They think a fast and frail Pokemon like Deoxys-A faces 0 issues because it just so fast and offensive.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Which is correct
      Deoxys-S is better though

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Deoxys-A has the major issue of having its survivability linked to its Damage Output and Speed. If a Pokemon survive its assault, manages to be faster, or has priority, Deoxys-A is just dead or forced to switch.
        It’s still good, but it’s not such an Unga Bunga mon and teams using it know they have only 5 Pokemon for its backbone.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Oh yeah sure. I thought you were implying Deoxys-A was completely unviable.
          Deoxys-A kinda just dies sometimes, especially to priority

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      because psychic is a poor offensive type. A fairy, water or ground deoxis A would be unstoppable. It's already really good as is mind you. STAB gives you the power boost of a band item while letting your switch moves and use an item on top of it. There's a reason why all mons sport it

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >because psychic is a poor offensive type. A fairy, water or ground deoxis A would be unstoppable
        First off, Psychic is actually good offensively.
        Second, Deoxys gets no Fairy moves, and the best Attacking moves it has for Water and Ground are Water Pulse and Stomping Tantrum. You could have at least gone with Ice or Fighting since it has Ice Beam and Super Power.
        Third, the issue is that Deoxys-A has no defensive utility, which is extremely important and only made up by having excellent offenses. It’s so frail, people will use Normal Deoxys with the Normal reducing berry so it can survive an Extreme Speed from Arceus. For that reason, Deoxys-A will likely use Ghost Tera Types, even without STAB, since Deoxys-A uses only Psycho Boost for STAB, and that it can have some defensive utility.

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The fun part is the fact that even if Tera changes only the first type, only the second, or transform ferrothorn into pure fire, still better just switch for something that can 1 shot it. OP has negative QI lul

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's funny, I immediately jumped to defense when I saw terastalizing. It has huge potential if you can somehow choose your type with mints or injection or something.
    >tera ghost for whimsicott or a prankster mon to block fake out
    >tera dark any setup pokemon to block prankster taun
    >tera fire a physical attacker to block wil o wisp
    >tera electric to block paralysis
    >tera ground a water type to block electric attacks
    >tera flying anything weak to ground to block ground
    >tera grass to ignore rage powder or sleep powder
    Like, in a normal match there's usually one key Pokemon on your team that can sweep "if only that one Pokemon on your opponent's team was taken care of." Yes, sometimes a one time big nuke can take care of that, but so could eliminating your weakness to that one Pokemon. I wouldn't be surprised if Terastalizing becomes primarily used for defense after the first month or so.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah I mean taking up to EIGHT times less damage has more impact than doing 1.5 more damage
      both are really interesting. You're probably talking about VGC but they better not ban it in Smogon either.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah.
        I fact, most offensive Pokemon will use it defensively.
        Imagine facing Salamence, use Ice Shards, and it suddenly becomes a Water type to tank the Ice Shard and also gets STAB Aqua Tail too.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah. Stallmons won't get as much reward from the gimmick I feel like.
          Which like, that's, pretty gud

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They definitely still can be rewarded though. Biggest idea is Avalugg using it, or Toxapex becoming Dark against Psychic spam.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Fair enough, but they basically don't make use or the surprise advantage, and like, after they change, the opponent just has to pick another mon.
              It basically doesn't give already good stallmons like Toxapex or Slowbro a bonus, is what I'm saying

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >playing a kiddie game as a competitive sport

    penetrate a vagina, please.

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why is everyone on this mindset that the new gimmick is an offense-only advantage
    Have you looked at discussions about Terastal? It comes up all the time.

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Tera offensive pokemon
    >Get Adaptability or a different STAB for the rest of the battle
    >Survive a hit that would've killed you and use that opportunity to set up, instantly turning it into an advantage
    >Potentially stuck with a worse defensive type for the rest of the battle, but who cares
    Tera defensive pokemon
    >Get Adaptability or a different STAB that you won't care about for the rest of the battle
    >Survive a hit that would've killed you and use that opportunity to do something that you could've easily found an opportunity to do later
    >Definitely stuck with a worse defensive typing for the rest of the battle because good defensive pokemon already have good defensive types
    >You could give a better type to a wall that's currently screwed over by its type, in which case you're using your d-max equivalent to make a bad wall slightly surpass a good wall when you could've just used the good wall for free
    I'm sure it'll have its uses, but using it offensive mons will absolutely be preferable

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >aDrive
    Any interest I had in this thread has now been lost.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Just ignore the OP like we all do

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Purely defensive Terastal is something that will likely only see use on stall or against some specific matchup. What I can see being very common is Terastal with both offensive and defensive applications, such as Steel Hydreigon, Fire Clefable, Fighting Tornadus-T and so on.

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is poison a good standalone?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Defensive? No, because ground has a large spread.

      Yet, still depends on what mon are we talking about.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      only if you have levitate, as everything and their mother carries ground coverage.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Defensive? No, because ground has a large spread.

        Yet, still depends on what mon are we talking about.

        Thanks.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Poison is close to being the worst type in the game but as another anon said, if you have Levitate then, pretty gud defensively!
      Atrocious offensively though. But the 100% Toxic is neat. Unless the 100% Toxic chance doesn't take into account Tera type

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Poison is close to being the worst type
        In Gen 1 maybe, and since Gen 6, it hasn’t been the bottom 5 offesively either. It has pretty good resistances, even before Fairy, and is immune to Toxic as well.
        Offensively, it did suck, but Normal (after Gen 1) and Dragon were worse. Now its Super Effective against a great defensive typing while also being neutral to things like Fire and Water, so its often more common as coverage than Steel (though Steel is still useful as anti-Fairy coverage. It really depends on movepool and other coverage)

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Offensively, it did suck, but Normal (after Gen 1) and Dragon were worse.
          Are you retarded? Normal was only resisted by the types that already resisted Poison, and Poison was resisted by more types. Poison had ONE super-effective target after losing its SE against Bug, and that happens to be a type with 4 other weaknesses.
          Meanwhile Dragon had ONE FUCKING RESISTANCE and nothing was immune to it. It was the uncontested strongest type in generations 4 and 5, after Outrage became Physical.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Poison is better offensively than Normal (outside if Gen 1) and Dragon is because;
            A. It’s super effective against something other than itself at least, and it’s super effective against Grass, which is pretty important today if you have Water or Ground STAB. You could run Ice Beam, but it was better than not having that option.
            B. Pretty much the important Poison moves had a massive chance to Poison you if you weren’t Poison or Steel type. It extends the type chart by including secondary effects, but not like you would run any poison move without a chance to poison. It’s kind of like Scald, where even if you resist it, you don’t always want to switch in.
            It’s definitely better than Normal after Gen 1 and edges out Dragon before Gen 6 where it’s actually good offensively.
            It was bad Gens 1-5, but not the worst offensively.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Dragon was the uncontested best offensive type. The entire reason they added Fairy was because Dragon was fucking broken.
              Poison was resisted by 4 types and Steel was outright immune to it. It was always worse than Normal.
              If you think having extremely wide unresisted coverage is bad then you must not play the game.

              >B. Pretty much the important Poison moves had a massive chance to Poison you if you weren’t Poison or Steel type.
              If you actually want to poison something, you'll use a Status move like Toxic.

              >Gen 6 where it’s actually good offensively.
              The only reason anyone ever runs Poison moves without STAB is as coverage for Fairy.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Dragon was the uncontested best offensive type
                HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
                HOLY SHIT ANON HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
                I’M DYING
                MY FUCKING SIDES

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He's right though. You could spam it for free and every dragonmon has access to EQ/a fire move

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You can say the same thing about Normal, where you can spam it if you had the approriate coverage.
                Thing is, that a typing offensively is only as good as how common it is as a coverage move.
                Pokemon typically rub their STABs when they are offensive. This makes the moves’s damage be x6, x3, x1.5, x0.75, and x0.375 depending on the target’s typing, which makes a big difference for neutral targets and more so for targets weak to you.
                So a Garchomp, Latias, and Salamence all running Dragon moves is understandable.
                However, not every Pokemon can just run their STABs most of the time as there are likely many things that wall such a combination, and with 4 moves only, you want to make sure you hit an assortment of important road blocks.
                It’s why Fighting, Ground, and Fire are great offensive types. Not only do they deal with lots of different types, they also hit Steel Super Effectively.
                Now not all good offensive types have to beat Steel and some are walled by Steel as well, such as Ice, even after Gen 2 nerfed it.
                With that established, why the fuck would you ever use Dragon moves as coverage if given any coverage you’d want?
                If given a choice, Fighting is by far the top choice for offensive types, even today with Fairy types. You also have Ground, Fire, Ice, and Dark/Ghost (lumped together since they are very similar) as basically standard coverage options, and it’s because they are good offensive types.
                If those 5 types were not good offensively, like how Dragon is bad offensively even in Gen 4/5, literaly the only Pokemon that would use it are Pokemon that get STAB from it.
                The reason why Dragon Spam or Dragmag teams exist is solely because there were so many Psuedo Legendary and Legendary Dragons with insanely amazing stats.
                If that doesn’t ring bells, try thinking of a single Special Attacker that would use HP Dragon. A single one. They use Fighting, Fire, Ground, Grass, Ice, sometimes Water, but what ever would use HP Dragon?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Hear me out.

                The secret to Dragon is actually Dragon Dance, and the lack of an immunity pre gen 6.
                If gen 4 Scrappy, Dragon Dance Tauros was a thing, complete with Thrash and Earthquake to smash Steels and Rocks, it would be in a similar realm. Probably worse than Salamence for most purposes, mostly due to BST, and wasting its ability, Intimidate, for what Dragon used to get for free, but in that arena.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Coverage types and Offensive types are not the same thing. Coverage types are based purely on the defensive pokemon in the meta. Dragon isn't a particularly good defensive type since the only bulky dragon is multiscale Dragonite so dragon isn't a useful coverage typing. A good offensive typing means spammable stab moves, where you only need to eliminate a few resistances before you can hit the outrage button and win the match. Dragon was literally only resisted by Steel, which resists so much that using that as a negative against Dragon is basically pointless.

                The fact that you could get legitimately good results with a 4drag2mag team in Gen 5 should immediately disprove the notion that dragon was a bad offensive type but I'm sure you'll make the "coverage == offense" mistake again.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                confirmed underage

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No, you’re just retarded.
                Dragon Offensively, even in Gens 4-5, is shit. Simple as.
                Dragon as STAB is supposed to be a limiting factor for Dragon types Pokemon. Besides Dragon Tail and the one off Pokemon that uses Dragon Claw because it has nothing else, non-Dragon types will never use Dragon moves. You literally are just better off using Ice moves. Ice moves are super effective against Dragon, the 1 thing Dragon is good against, while also being good against Grass, Ground, and Flying.
                Even Normal type moves see some usage on non-Normal types, albeit for Extreme Speed, which could be considered more utility but is also strong, and the high BP moves.
                Actual Dragon types will actually not use their STABs some times because it sucks.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Draco_Meteor_(move)

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Resisted only by a single type, with pretty consistent weaknesses, most dragon offensive pokemon have access to ways around it.

                Terrible coverage type, best STAB type in the game prior to gen 6.
                Incidentally, the goals of Stab and Coverage are entirely different. Types that are mediocre as coverage can be amazing as Stab, and vice versa. Electric, Ground, and Fighting are largely the only types great at both.

                Coverage cares mostly about SE types, Stab cares mostly about resists.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You know the Dragon typing is so great offensively
                >Which is why literally no Pokemon besides other Dragons used Dragon moves as coverage
                Bug is also great, which is why Arceus literally never used its Bug form at all what so ever.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Bug is a terrible offensive type, even at its peak Scizor would only use bug bite as a glorified coverage move.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Reading comprehension
                That post LITERALLY spelled out the difference between STAB and Coverage, and you're too retarded to see it.

                Bug is also a contender for one of the worst types in the game on all counts anyways.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Almost everything since Gen 4 uses its STAB moves, which is why coverage is so much more of an important factor to what is good offensively and what isn’t.

                If Dragon was the uncontested best offensive type, like the anon was originally saying, then Pokemon wouldn’t be skipping it as coverage every single time. Unless you want to tell me that these offensive Pokemon just so happen to ignore their access to the “Uncontested Best Offensive type” in favor of other types.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                D
                >Almost everything since Gen 4 uses its STAB moves, which is why coverage is so much more of an important factor to what is good offensively
                lmao no it fucking isn’t.

                Hitting the entire game for AT LEAST 1.5x damage is more valuable than having a shitty STAB that’s resisted by a bunch of things and sometimes hitting for 1-2x instead.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Being a good coverage type is more important than being a good STAB type because STAB is used more often than coverage
                ???

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Coverage is actually more common to have since most Pokemon have at least 1 or 2 coverage moves, and some Pokemon don’t run STAB at all, especially before Gen 4.
                But the thing is the decision behind it.
                You pick STAB typings only because STAB boosts that moves power.
                A Salamence uses Outrage because it gets STAB. You can’t choose what types are STAB on your Pokemon outside of certain conditions.
                With coverage, the choices are any if the remaining 16-17 types you don’t get STAB on.
                If you had a Flying/Rock type (and No Guard for the argument), would you be using Dragon Rush or Earthquake?
                Obviously Earthquake here since Dragon Rush would only be useful against Dragons that you may already beat, which case you could use some Ice coverage if you need to.
                While there are scenarios where you would rather not use the better offensive types, generally, the coverage moves you want are Fighting, Ground, Fire, Ice, and even Grass.
                These types are the best offensive types because if you had to choose an attacking move for your moveset, you’d want these types at least as your coverage moves.
                If there was a universe where all the OU Dragons in Gen 5 got an Ice type Outrage with 180 BP or Ice type Draco Meteor with 210 BP, they would use over Outrage and Draco Meteor. They only used their STABs in Gen 5 because STAB makes them effectively 180 BP/210 BP respectfully.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You don't need to keep reexplaining how Dragon is a bad coverage type. No one has disagreed with you on that.
                What you don't seem to understand is that types can be good or bad at being STAB, just like they can be good or bad as coverage. Yes, most Pokemon use STAB regardless of type, but that doesn't make all STABs equal.
                Only one type resists Dragon, and prior to gen 6 nothing was immune to it. One single type was the only thing stopping dragons from spamming their 1.5x boosted moves for the whole game, and never having that damage multiplier lowered. You can't say that about Ice, which is resisted by four types. THAT'S what makes a STAB type good: being splashable.
                Coverage types are only concerned with how many mons they hit super effectively, because those are the only mons they have to hit. STAB is different; you don't just use your STAB when it's super effective, you also use it when nothing is super effective. As such, having few resists is more important to a STAB type than having many strengths.
                While I'm sure Gen 4 & 5 dragons would've appreciated having 180 BP/210 BP Ice moves, those moves would not have replaced their STABs. Ice STAB would be better for hitting the Ground type in front of you, but it's not going to be hitting the Ground type in front of you; it'll be hitting the bulky Water that your opponent just sent in because that's a whole extra group of defensive mons that you have to play around now.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If you are looking for a solid Fighting, Grass and Fairy check in one slot it's pretty good, but only on some specific Pokémon like Avalugg and Cresselia, or maybe as an emergency thing for Corvinight for a transformation that lets it avoid being trapped while compromising the least amount of important things to wall. The problem is that natural Poison types (Toxapex, Galarian Slowking, Amoonguss, Galarian Weezing, Alolan Muk, probably Paldean Quagsire too) are easier to use and have a secondary type that maximizes the perks of Poison and minimizes its flaws.

      Offensively it sounds bad for just about anything, even the few good offensive Poison types that exist don't want that particular super STAB

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Definitely
      >Fighting Resists
      >Fairy Resists
      >Resists Wood Hammer and Megahorn
      >Resists U-turn
      >Immunity to Toxic
      >Toxic ignores accuracy
      It’s like Steel, but if you want a Fighting resistance and Fire nuetrality. It will be pretty important as a more mix up option since tons of Pokemon will assume you will become Steel.

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    we may joke about crystal onix being the first terastal pokemon, but it's actually a good upgrade.

    it being a Water tera will fix the absolutely shitty rock/ground typing it has.

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    OP can fuck off, everyone who knows their shit instantly thought of Shedinja.

  30. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ok but why the hats? why does it look so fucking retarded? i dont want to play pokemon anymore

  31. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's not like your opponent will know your teratype. He'll attack you based on your regular typing, by using tmthe gimmick suddenly, you can not only stop their attack but also use a stab super effective move if things go right.

  32. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ok hear me out guys what about these:
    Ground gyarados
    Steel hydreigon
    Fairy alakazam
    Dark dragalge

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Dark dragapult*, sorry

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Ground gyarados
      Has potential for being able to DD on an electric move before spamming earthquake but I think in most cases you'd prefer to just switch and save Gyarados for later
      >Steel hydreigon
      Hydreigon is a very offensive mon and Steel is a terrible offensive typing. You'd be better off just using choice spec dragon hydreigon for huge draco meteors
      >Fairy alakazam
      This one could be decent but I imagine it wouldn't be your plan-A in a match
      >Dark dragapult
      Dragapult's typing is one of its best qualities and I imagine tera-ing into ghost/dragon would let it rip through teams if you've managed to remove its walls.

      This is all based on a smoggie 1v1 perspective VGC may be entirely different.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Hydreigon is a very offensive mon and Steel is a terrible offensive typing.
        Hydreigon's main set in OU currently already runs Flash Cannon and Roost, it's perfect for Terastalizing into Steel since it would only have two weaknesses.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Coverage moves and Offensive moves are very different. Hydreigon isn't going to be sweeping with STAB flash cannon. I don't know offhand if any non-dragon mons get Draco Meteor but I'm 99% sure no non-dragon mons do/would run it because that kind of power sweeping with a non-stab draco-meteor. You could use Hydreigon more as a pivot, but in that case why Ter it a new one?

  33. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Water Multiscale Dragonite!

  34. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There will be defensive uses, especially for Pokemon who can boost their abilities, but stuff like STAB+ Steel Scizor Bullet Punch is going to be the big thing

    UNLESS

    Terastal disables abilities, or disables held items. It probably won't, but it should be considered a possibility. A lot of arbitrary things didn't function with Dynamax, after all.

  35. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Pic related

    /thread

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is going to define VGC for sure, doubles won't provide breath for Stealth Rock, and to make things worse, there aren't MAX moves anymore to summon weather, thus making Tyranitar, Hippodown, A-Ninetales or Vaniluxe obligatory in order to bring Shedinja down. Or just Ally Switch with Ferrothorn.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >and to make things worse, there aren't MAX moves anymore to summon weather
        I'm going to miss this. Not needing a dedicated weather or terrain setter really opened up team building options. Now it's back to having to bring Fini or a Safeguard user if you want a way to reliably block status effects instead of just being able to Max Starfall.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Oh shit, that's a good point.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous
      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >he doesn't know

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Toxapex use Toxic
      >It doesn't affect Shedinja

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >holding Air Balloon
      >becomes Tera Electric-type

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >safety goggles blocking weather
      >tapu fini partner blocking status by existing and other moves with taunt
      >normal type so it only has a weakness to fighting

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Terastallizing into Steel-type also provides immunity to both Sandstorm and Toxic, but yeah, Tapu Fini or similar mon would be the best partner to keep Air Balloon Electric Shedinja alive in VGC

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          steel type makes you weak to earthquake and heat wave, both of which are spread moves you can't ally switch your way out of.
          it's just not a good type for shedinja in the context of vgc.
          .

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Its a stupid insta win strat. There are a million was around it but if you haven't dedicated a move to overcoming stupid things your screwed.

  36. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wish I could terastal my cock to rock type so I could cure my erectile dysfunction

  37. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  38. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    how many turns does it last for?
    does it revert on pokemon switch?
    if roar, whirlwind, red card, eject button + trick, etc. exist then you could game people out pretty easily on their move.
    this assuming that becoming cool garden gnomeel form doesn't prevent forced swaps. maybe this will be the generation where protect isn't used, then the value of memeform will increase. otherwise i think it will be far more useful as an offensive mid game threat.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It lasts until the end of the battle, just like mega evolution.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        hmm, will be a very unique and interesting meta then. i am excited.

  39. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So does this essentually give a pokemon a third type or replaces one of it's types when it comes to defence?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It turns you monotype, original typing is gone when you use it. If you transform into one of the types you already have then your stab moves do 2x damage instead of 1.5x.

  40. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I suppose (or at least that's what I understood from the eevee example in the trailer) that the tera types a pokemon species can take on are limited, for example gardevoir beyond its two types could only choose water.
    I hope they balance it well

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Any pokemon can have any tera type.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That statement leaves both interpretations open

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Khu confirmed

  41. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Congratulations. You have just taken one of the best typings in the game and ruined it for the rest of the match, to get one reversal play that doesn't put you in a good position, just a less shitty one.

    Nevermind that Ferro now takes 25% of its health every time it switches, gets hit by Toxic, Sleep Powder and Leech Seed, and dies to Earthquake, you turned one defensive matchup around, that you might actually now be at a different disadvantage in, or are at best neutral in.
    Again, never mind that you are doing this instead of not building your team retardedly, or using the gimmick to straight up win a matchup and potentially sweep, or predicting your team balance on a gimmick that should be flexible. Fuck the haters who don't even play the game, you're so galaxy brained that the game itself can't comprehend you, and your cratered ELO is proof only of fanfic meta, Smoggie bias, or Gamefreaks shitty meta balance.
    Fuck, if you were a TINY bit less of a retard, you would have observed that Water does virtually the same thing, with less exploitable weaknesses, and no stealth rock weakness.
    But you're too galaxy brained for that.

  42. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How is that a good thing? It's yet another gameplay mechanic that is unaccountable: doesn't PKMN have enough fuckery already? It's going to be utterly miserable having to play around Terastal. I'm not buying the game.

  43. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >aDr*ve
    LETS GOOOOO SHINY NecRRRRozma.... AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  44. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So from initial impressions, the best defensive combination is to take a pokemon that has an ability that makes it resist or immune to certain types and then making it a type that that ability covers.

    Turning a Thick Fat pokemon into a grass type, Levitate into poison, etc. But what are some of the best pokemon to utilize it?

  45. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I've seen more people discussing it defensively than offensively. Mainly because it'll be a lot more interesting defensively.
    Most offensive mons already have good STAB, so most of them won't be changing their type. I can see Ground Gyarados for STAB Earthquake, for example. But most offensive mons will likely opt for boosting their regular STAB.
    Defensive is more interesting because you need to change your type to benefit defensively, and it's a sidegrade/give-and-take situation.

  46. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So do we know how much of a boost this gimmick gives if the tera type matches one of the original types of the pokemon? Is it 2x STAB instead of 1.5x?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Is it 2x STAB instead of 1.5x?
      We're not sure but it's probably 2 or 2.25 yes.
      There's also a chance that we're all full of shit by assuming it adds a bonus to the STAB,
      and maybe it changes BP instead, in the same way as Strong Style.

  47. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    BP, how good it would be to run a FairyTera Sableye?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      okay-ish. you lose dark types prankster immunity and get nothing in exchange.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you're still regular Sableye unfortunately
      I will hate Megas forever for cucking Mega-Sableye from just being a cross-evo
      unless GF backpedals on it which would be nonsense but based

  48. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Water soldirock rhyperior enters the room

  49. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >adrive
    the dude is the reason why I got an filter addon in my browser, so I don't have to see this brainlet when I look up pokemon stuff

    also protip: don't listen to anyone on this site when it comes to competitive stuff.

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