TF2 Bots

Why does Valve literally refuse to address the bot problem that has destroyed TF2? And before you say "they've abandoned the game", I say that's dumb, dumb dumb, and stupid on their part. Yes it's obvious they've seemingly abandoned it but if the game was cleaned of the bot issue it could be literal millions of dollars in continued passive income. The game is so good (still even to this day) that a little advertising could bring in more players and improve for Valve what is essentially a minimal maintenance money printing machine.

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the last time valve tried doing anything to tf2 they killed the game listening to comp homosexuals who want the game balanced around 6s and made every fun weapon unfun
    frick em, find a hosted server and play on that
    casual queue will never compare or be worth playing

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This.

      https://i.imgur.com/kHs5NUY.png

      Why does Valve literally refuse to address the bot problem that has destroyed TF2? And before you say "they've abandoned the game", I say that's dumb, dumb dumb, and stupid on their part. Yes it's obvious they've seemingly abandoned it but if the game was cleaned of the bot issue it could be literal millions of dollars in continued passive income. The game is so good (still even to this day) that a little advertising could bring in more players and improve for Valve what is essentially a minimal maintenance money printing machine.

      They'd be better off just remaking the game entirely in Source 2 with better code. If they aren't doing this, there is no real fix.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How hard would it be to actually get rid of them? Aren't the bot porgram open source as well? It can't be difficult to make VAC check if a player follows the exact program for X amount of time and ban them if so.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      tf2 vac is decade old. Game has no anticheat in practice

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      incredibly hard since
      >bot hosters are hard to catch
      >valve needs a 100% concrete case to go after a bot hoster, even if they know for a fact who's doing it
      >bot hosters aren't dumb or complacent, any anti-bot measures they will attempt to work around
      >VAC checks for active cheats like memory editors (ie Cheat Engine), it doesn't actually log or compare player behavior
      >DMA cheat cards are borderline undetectable and require pretty invasive anticheats to see leading again to the problem that DMA makers are not stupid or complacent
      all of these things put together means you kinda have to hope the hoster takes himself out, like the one TF2 bot hoster taking himself out by watching CP at a public library

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >like the one TF2 bot hoster taking himself out by watching CP at a public library
        jej, do glowies really think people would buy that story?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      TF2 doesn't have a bot problem. It has a cheater problem.

      I have been botting TF2 on around 190 accounts since 2015.
      Haven't maintained five 9s, but I'd say overall my uptime across the board has been around 99.9% outside of some shut offs. When they're running, they run. When I'm not running them, they don't. Overall I'd say they've been active around 80% of the time all things considered.
      TF2 is very easy to run so I run anywhere from 10 to 40 clients per machine.

      I don't do this to cheat or unleash hell but rather to fill lobbies with rather average performing NPCs. Nobody has complained about my bots except for when they were broken after updates, but when operational they fly under the radar.

      I also use them to datamine stats from other players and see what their statistics are vs my bots. Anyone scoring too many headshots or consistently over performing gets reported by any of my bots that they've ever played against in the last month, so my bot army helps to bait cheaters and get them banned and promotes healthier gameplay.

      VAC is easy to bypass, just like every other anti-cheat if you know what you're doing.
      Anticheats are like using a cheap shitty masterlock. They keep honest people honest but do NOTHING to stop the likes of the lock picking lawyer on YT or anyone dedicated, and in the case of digital game cheating once you have an "in" after the anti-cheat has been defeated, everyone else with the knowledge essentially has the "bolt cutter" option rather than needing the finesse of an expert with non-destructive picking tools.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Does reporting solve anything? I reported blatand cheaters years ago and only had two notifications that something happened.
        Should have saved their profiles to come back to them later though.
        And I agree, cheaters killed the game.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        How autistic do you have be to to believe that botting a game is making it better?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Probably about the same kind of autistic it takes to run bots for 7 years to try and get Valve to talk to you again.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yes.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Even Riot can't stop the botting crisis in League of Legends. TF2 will never have this solved. The bots are here to stay much like they are in League of Legends.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There are bots in League?

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i think it's just as simple as valve employees not being paid enough to work on it. they get paid bonuses to work on the projects that make the most money. that is counter strike, steam, and dota 2

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Script kiddies are the biggest whales. Including the dumbasses who rent out botnets. Addressing the problem would cut into their bottom line.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Valve are not the same company they were 17 years ago. They were slow but ultimately productive back then, now they're lazy c**ts who at best haphazardly slap a bandaid onto a sucking chest wound. They don't care at all about how terrible letting an active game persist in this state makes them look. It's a fricking miracle that the playerbase loves TF2 so much that it continues to live despite the bots and bugs.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It'd be trivial to kill all the bots.
    All you have to do is make all items drops untradable until you spend X number of dollars in the store, where X is more than the average income per bot.
    All of the farms would slowly starve to death.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      drops are disabled for a little while if you get kicked
      bot farms are already operating at a loss

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >All you have to do is make all items drops untradable until you spend X number of dollars in the store
      that's how it has been for as long as the ingame store existed i think

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He's also leaving out the TF2 economy has been fricked for so long that idling hasn't been "profitable" since even before meet your match and gunmettle

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Oh? I didn't know that.
        I bought the box version back in 2007.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          yep, trading unlocks after you spend at least 5 dollars on the steam platform, and buy any item ingame (you can also buy 5 dollars of ingame items to unlock it)

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    We made fun of Morrowind gays for liking a game that even by the time of Skyrim was not even a decade old. Tf2 is almost old enough to be legally fricked.

    Shut it down and reboot it. The game is bloated and not fun at all, even without bots the playerbase is utter shit.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The game is bloated
      True but irrelevant. Just ignore the bloat. Sure, there might be 100+ maps but everyone only plays 15 of them anyway.
      >and not fun at all,
      Completely wrong. TF2 is still the most fun shooter ever made.
      >even without bots the playerbase is utter shit
      Every multiplayer community is either shit or borderline dead. What playerbases do you consider good?

      The bot problem is overstated, but also it's a problem you can't really fix. Anything you do to "patch" or "fix" it would immediately be worked around by bot developers meaning it's an endless toilet of work.
      Technically all online games are in the middle of a massive cheating epidemic because of how fricked online social communities are now as a result of the post 2016 clampdowns and this has caused other issues like the pretty massive cybersecurity issues with both EA and Activision having exploits with their rootkit anticheats.
      And as minecraft pretty recently demonstrated ANY game is literally just one tremendous fricking homosexual from having the exact same bot issue TF2 does.
      Really the only way it can be, sort of, mitigated is by people migrating back to user servers but the infrastructure either doesn't exist for user servers to propagate, or there's already the issue of bad actors that would deliberately make the situation worse, like the fact that the comp community and youtubers have been vying for control over TF2 altogether and have attacked startups.

      This

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The bot problem is overstated, but also it's a problem you can't really fix. Anything you do to "patch" or "fix" it would immediately be worked around by bot developers meaning it's an endless toilet of work.
    Technically all online games are in the middle of a massive cheating epidemic because of how fricked online social communities are now as a result of the post 2016 clampdowns and this has caused other issues like the pretty massive cybersecurity issues with both EA and Activision having exploits with their rootkit anticheats.
    And as minecraft pretty recently demonstrated ANY game is literally just one tremendous fricking homosexual from having the exact same bot issue TF2 does.
    Really the only way it can be, sort of, mitigated is by people migrating back to user servers but the infrastructure either doesn't exist for user servers to propagate, or there's already the issue of bad actors that would deliberately make the situation worse, like the fact that the comp community and youtubers have been vying for control over TF2 altogether and have attacked startups.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Do you have knowledge about game development?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If you're asking if I specifically have worked at Valve, EA, or Activision/Blizzard, no.
        If you're asking if I've developed games, or game assets such as maps, yes.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The 2nd.
          Can you tell why there are no true next gen graphic games for consoles? I was hoping for a lot more, like amazing graphics than ever before.

          I read a in a news to AI and game development, an AI can create games in 5-10 years (possibly also people being laid off...?) How do you see that?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Well the first is more of an art question than a game development question, but to answer your question it's more of an issue that there's sort of a hard limit to how much you can detail something before it becomes meaningless noise, or actively detrimental to your game.
            As for "AI", other than the obvious issues like stolen codebases which could put you in very real legal trouble (As large language models don't actually create anything but instead present you with tagged snippets matching a prompt), it doesn't actually change much for game development prefabs exist for most major engines so it's not like not having to set up a player character or enemies really changes much about game design the bigger issue is competency with making an engaging game and world.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >minecraft
      What, are there bots flooding Minecraft servers now?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, a griefing group set up copenheimer a web crawler that finds servers and set it up with some minecraft bots to go grief open servers.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The bot problem is overstated
      > it's a problem you can't really fix.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Those two statements aren't mutually exclusive

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Of course they aren't. Both of them are equally as moronic, and so are (You).

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      qrd on comp brats attacking startups?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >it's a problem you can't really fix
      Charge a modest price for the game. But valve aren't ever going to dial back on the game being f2p, even though making it f2p that will always cause cheating to skyrocket.

      There's also the simple fact that tf2's botting IS more evident than other games. There's got to be a reason for that, even if it's something as simple as "tf2gays are massive twats".

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It is 2025, and Valve has decided to announce TF3. What other features would you like the sequel to have?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The feature that shuts down this sequel and just remakes TF2 to be more stable, balanced, and within the original artistic direction (and removing comp shit and reimplementing quick play)

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Revert nerfs
      All of them

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why are they so dedicated to killing the game? Its been like three years

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This. If it’s not a financial thing what is the goal? Laughing at people complaining online?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        A lot of people think it's uncle dane hosting them, his main source of income is his servers, running bots on actual servers and selling immunity could be a way of monetizing Valve servers.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >his main source of income is his servers
          really? minecraft servers are way more popular, but barely anyone is able to live off that. what is he selling in his servers to make enough money?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Donations, and he (and other comp/youtubers) got Valve to kill off basically every other server so he has no competition to need to improve against, or lose money to.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              His servers are shit though and the way people play the game is opposite of that which made the game fun for thousands. Not a great plan

              If playing defunct games taught me anything is that people will shit anywhere they can because they can. A bunch of guys from this board took a massive dump on Media Molecule and MM decided to just shut down LBP servers. Some people are simply just buttholes.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They ARE shit, but they're also one of the "only" options people will go to. Niche communities basically don't exist.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              he probably lives with his mom if he is able to survive from donations for tf2 servers

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      These are the scum of human kind we're talking about. Genetic dead ends who just want to watch the world burn. If mankind is wiped out by some deus ex machina we will deserve it and it will be because of people like the TF2 botters.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Some people are just evil. Like Ted Bundy level of unhinged.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What's the best anticheat that exists? Online game that has absolutely no cheaters?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Realistically your best bet is being so dead that nobody is incentivized to cheat.
      Second best bet is decentralized moderation.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Charging money to buy and play the game. It's funny, that used to be the norm.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why not just disable bots outright? It has absolutely come to that. Bots are an added feature. Any downside of removing them would be mitigated and justified by the improvement to quality of experience of the vast majority of players.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It don't work that way.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why not? It could.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They are not abusing the in-game bot system, it is a separate script.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I haven't seen a bot in years, must be a 3rd world (america) problem

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The best anticheat is showing up at their doors with a baseball bat.

    No one is going to try to cheat in your silly hat game if it will lead to being literally drawn and quartered.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Valve literally doesn't care. morons are still spending money on the game - they have no incentive to do anything except release more shitty cosmetics and war paints. TF2 is functionally dead and should be abandoned by anyone with a shred of common sense.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >TF2 is functionally dead
      I would care if not being updated (TF2 is, 2023 brought 2 game modes and 46 maps) magically made the game worse (it doesn't)

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      But it isn't. The core of an S++ tier experience is still there to play and experience. Valve has a superior product to it's main competition. TF2 is a better game than Overwatch. Better in game play and better in art direction. All the work they put in to the game is sill there.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >overwatch out of nowhere
        holy rent free, it's not 2016 anymore. TF2 competition doesn't exist.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Make the statement that competition essentially doesn't exist
          >OMG ARE U OOBSOOSED WITH ME???
          man shut the frick up

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            mind broken, take a break.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Bots and cheaters have completely infested casual to the point where it's unplayable. Community servers are on life support. And Valve still expects people to spend money on this shit product. TF2 was a good game once, but it isn't anymore and pretending like it's still redeemable is how you find yourself telling yourself that you're having fun while you vote to kick another bot/cheater for the twentieth time in a round.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I don't understand your point. Yes you're right. casual is LITERALLY unplayable. If the bot problem was completely fixed the game could be fun and good again. That means more players. That means more revenue for Valve.

          >overwatch out of nowhere
          holy rent free, it's not 2016 anymore. TF2 competition doesn't exist.

          Rent free has nothing to do with it. It's simple logic. Overwatch is a popular game that is most similar to TF2. A superior TF2 experience could draw more customers towards Valve than Blizzard. It has NOTHING to do with "rent free". It's just another reason why I don't understand why Valve won't fix their own game. If the answer turns out to be "We simply don't make games anymore we just make money from operating Steam and nothing else" I could understand that at least.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >If the bot problem was completely fixed the game could be fun and good again. That means more players. That means more revenue for Valve.
            TF2 is propped up by a small but very dedicated group of whales who continue to spend time and money on the game despite its miserable state. Also, the money Valve makes off TF2 is chump change compared to what they rake in from CS:GO and Dota. They don't need to put any more effort into making TF2 more attractive for new players.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Well actually it's mostly kept up by market transactions, not through key sales, though those aren't too shabby either.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I heard this is pretty fun.
    Do they have a bot problem?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Only a handful of official servers, moderators are usually available. No bot problem, occasional hackers but that's any game.
      TF2C is alot of fun, the weapons are decently balanced and the new gamemodes are good. Map voting blows, people end up playing on the same handful of maps throughout the day. Also because of how small the community is, you're mostly playing against the same people (and they're always comp-level skill snipers.)
      VC is a mixed bag with the same morons in there daily , some trannies, alot of furries.
      TLDR game is fun, people that play it get on my nerves.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        straight white males are usually off to pol to talk shit about black people before they goto /gif/ and jerk themselves off silly to blacked porn

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It doesn't bring anything new that is good enough to justify not having 90% of the weapon unlocks from live TF2. It might as well been the Xbox TF2 that only 10 people play.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Literally the best thing about tf2c is that it doesn't have 90% of the weapon unlocks from live tf2.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Man, I'd really like the Soldier's Stash, easily the best looking Soldier hat, but I'm not willing to pay like $8 on this dead game.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Vanilla TF2C
      Yeah it's pretty fun
      >Custom weapon servers
      Absolute trash

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nerf zero charge headshots to 125
    Remove razorback

    There, I fixed everything wrong with sniper

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Only TF3 can save it. And that's probably never going to happen due to people going to b***h when the formula changes the slightest.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Considering the actual state of CS2, I doubt TF3 would fix anything.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Eh, most of the issue with CS:2 is Valve completely fricked the marketing by making it seem more like just a port to Source 2 rather than a new game.
        I do think they should have waited on releasing it until they had more for the game finished, like actually having Arms Race ready.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Most of the issue with CS2 is that's it's not a new game and has the exact same problems as GO, except it also runs worse
          >Yeah guys TF3 is going to save everything.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That's not what I said at all, but okay.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >I'm moronic, but okay
              Okay indeed.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He didn't say that either

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It would also have the Payday 3 problem, where the predecessor was a lightning-in-a-bottle fluke and a new release just cannibalizes its playercount.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >make TF3
      >mandatory lootboxes, steam market and other "play to earn" shit
      >game is full of bots grinding that shit
      Only steam market ban can save TF.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Actual CS bots, the closest equivalent you could be referring to grind ranks on account to sell, grinding for cases isn't actually worth the electricity.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    We had an entire lecture on TF2 in computer security class at my university. The essence of it is that the cost outweighs the possible gains. The cost is just way higher than people realize.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This + this video goes over it extensively.

      There is unfortunately no easy fix. Pandora's box has been opened and now cannot be closed without some kind of game changer in anti-cheat detection. Which will almost immediately be circumvented by people who make cheats. fun fact: most cheat developers make the cheats solely for fun. I used to be friends with one of the biggest combat arms cheat devs. He did it because it was challenging to do, and made him money. He didn't even like the game.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >He didn't even like the game
        I feel like that sort of goes without saying.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >There is unfortunately no easy fix.
        Charge money for the game like they used to.

        Apparently shounic does not even list this as one of the possible solutions.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Ending Linux support means bots can no longer party up and queue into games
        >Shounic just vaguely guesses the hosters would find a workaround in a week
        Any more info on this? Why haven't they already made a workaround for Windows if it's so easy?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          windows bloat is really important to trim when you're a destructive Black person that wants to minmax the amount of bots you're running
          simple as that

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What about disabling textmode?

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Valve wants something that actually solves the problem, not something that requires constant maintenance to fight back. They'd rather cure the infection than treat the symptoms.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Really the unfortunate thing is that potentially to actually fix the problem Valve would like, have to make "The Internet 2" and completely bar a shitload of people from ever being allowed to access it and to completely unfrick the social degradation that's happened that turned basically all of internet society low trust.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Although I will say this is sort of what the JP TF2 community does, they almost exclusively play via VPNs, (used for their actual purpose, not as glorified proxies). It's part of what throws off TF2's observable playercount.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Isn't TF2's source code out there? What the frick are they supposed to do? The only thing they CAN do is improve the votekick system, but if they frick it up that can easily blow up in their face and make the bot problem way worse.

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >horribly optimized
    >filled with obnoxious unlocks and cosmetics
    >community servers ded
    >bots EVERYWHERE
    Why haven't you guys jumped ship yet? The ride is over. Come join me in the TF2 afterlife.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Horribly optimized
      I get 1080 60fps without a gpu
      >filled with obnoxious unlocks and cosmetics
      Literally everyone whines that none of the updates are real because they need muh weapons muh balance changuz
      >Ugly hats tho
      Skill issue, all the craftable hats are great looking and FREE.
      >Community servers ded
      The one issue you have right and the thing that fricks you because it means playing with you
      Also great job whining about new weapons when the single other populated server has every weapon and runs a fork of the custom weapons plugin from 2011.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        have fun playing solely on uncletopia to avoid the bots, homosexual. Valve's never fixing this broken mess of a game.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >playing solely on uncletopia to avoid the bots
          I don't actually have this issue

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The game DOES need balance changes moron.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Skill issue, all the craftable hats are great looking and FREE.
        And of course you can magically force everyone else in the game to wear only those.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      with obnoxious unlocks
      This dumb homosexual again.

      If not for unlocks to provide gameplay variety, TF2 never would have lasted as long as it has. Using AND playing against the same fricking stock weapons for 15+ years would bore anyone to death.

      And then to make yourself look even more stupid you went and posted TFC, where the bulk of the playerbase is in the custom weapons servers, which are full of weapons far more obnoxious than anything in vanilla TF2?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >horribly optimized
      not after the 64 bit update
      >community servers ded
      koga is all you need

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because they know the people who keep buying keys and shit from the mann co store have the brains to go find and go to community servers. People like josepablo2011 who play matchmaking servers are still f2p, being a small but still net loss

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because they don't fricking care. TF2 generates a shitload of passive revenue so they're split down the middle of investing into contracts to either handle the bot plague or add more shit they can sell in game. Guess which one they've continuously opted for?

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    CS2 is full of cheaters too VALVE doesn't care people will play their games no matter what, do yourself a favor and move on to something else, steam and valve are done.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      why did you destroy the brooklyn bridge

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    TBF the bots are just outlining a general issue with sniper, as a concept. He's just not fun to play around, even when it's a human playing him. He's literally a spy that can backstab you across the map and there's no way to avoid it without playing like a pussy.
    >muh counters
    whay counter? wasting a spy or pyro to walk all the way across the map, and probably die several timea, to kill them right outside respawn? really good trade moron
    sniper is literally the only reason why i can't play heavy for more than 10 minutes in one sitting.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >whay counter? wasting a spy or pyro to walk all the way across the map, and probably die several timea, to kill them right outside respawn? really good trade moron
      Play sticky jumper Demoman, gunboats Soldier or bonk Scout
      Teleport to Sniper's location for free
      Kill Sniper
      Now Sniper is dead and you are playing a good class (except jumper demo, but he's fun anyway)

      Yeah Sniper isn't a great design but he does have more counter play than snipers in most other games
      >the only reason why i can't play heavy for more than 10 minutes in one sitting
      For me it's because Heavy bores me to tears

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >stands in spawn

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    A mapmaker recently went to Valve and was toured by Eric Smith (the one guy working on the game)
    Pic related is what he had to say about the bots

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Valve is poor indie company sitting on only a few billion dollars worth of passive income, plz understan.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Jokes aside, and that it's definitly an issue where your bonuses at Valve is decided by your colleauges, nobody wants to rock the boat. Plus, Valve is in the habit of never saying something publicly before it's 100% confirmed they will do it.

        Just look at DD2 and people picking apart interviews with Itsuno's word for word and "but you promised!"

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Port TF2 to Source 2 and remove EVERY community made maps and use the excuses that the team couldn't update them because something redditgays are bad at mapping something.

    Make it so that TFS2 has quickplay back and you've fixed your fricking game.
    Even more based if you ban all non valve hat too. I may lost of shitty 15 cents cosmetics but i would be so fricking worth it

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Now write this post again in English, ESL

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Waaa waaa please make it readable for my low bri'ish iq
        Tongue my anus Black person.

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The bots aren't even the problem, they get kicked almost immediately and if you join a bot server you just reque, losing 30 seconds at most.
    No, the actual problem are the legions of cheaters and the even bigger legions of actual morons too stupid to recognise them. I don't even bother trying to kick them anymore because most of the time it fails, "durr he's not a bot, hurr he's playing soldier" and I'm not spending 20 minutes again explaining to turd worlders how cheats work, not that I'd get a chance to, because I will get counter kicked by the cheater, which will of course pass

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The game is still making them money. After they threw in some token bugfixes and maps the hubbub died down. When tabloids stopped pointing out the game Valve is still making money off is borderline unplayable they went back to their radiosilence and buying yacths.

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Do you want a schizo theory? I think Valve stopped updating tf2 for esg money. Makes sense to me if you think about it:
    >last major update was 2017, last balance patch was 2018
    >sweet baby founded 2018
    >most of valve’s old guard writers leave
    >sweet baby works with valve on hl:alyx
    >sweet baby gives valve their service in exchange for no more major tf2 updates or something along those lines
    >if they don’t they will harass publishers that steam is waycyst
    >valve agrees and starts banning games that SB doesn’t like (anime games with character that look like e-girl but aren’t, etc.)
    Sweet Baby killed TF2 and Dane is a paid actor to force the community into being homosexuals

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      for frick's sake SBI isn't the only company that does this. i bet there's tons of California bluehairs that are now going to fly under the radar and keep runimg games because you morons only focus on 1 company
      >inb4 muh companies will understand the will of the people
      no, they won't. marketing and PR don't watch 40 min video essays on why SBI is bad. and the few that do are probably the type of twitter morons who'll want to dismiss and bury this

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Working on TF2 just isn't economically viable for Vavle when they make money from Steam and
    Counter-Strike 2. Eric Smith and some other guy Valve outsourced to work on the game (forgot the name) are pretty much the only ones working on the game, they don't have the Mannpower (get it?) to truly solve the bot/cheating issue. It's a miracle we're going to receive a 64 bit update considering the state of the game.

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's dead. Move on.

  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They're already making enough money that's why they don't care

  35. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Honestly it's already too late
    Ecelebs have already brainwashed the new generation of tf2 players that random crits are le bad and the JI nerfs were good
    Even if casual shut down overnight most of the new community servers would be Uncletopia clones rather than anything good

  36. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    just make TF3, have it be nearly identical to TF2 besides being on Source 2 and charge for it, keep TF2 alive and free, the bots will stay there while the paying players just move on to 3

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