The Alexandrian army slaughtered hundreds of innocent Burmecians in a worthless war that achieved nothing.

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    based alexandrians showing burmecian children who's boss

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sbohf
      Shota burmecian on human female.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They wouldn't do that right? They're upstanding soldiers that wouldn't bring rat boys into this right?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >t. Brahne

      Piss off you fatso.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Queen Brahne was brainwashed. How does Beatrix justify her actions?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >muh orders

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Queen Brahne was brainwashed. How does Beatrix justify her actions?

        I wrote a whole script Commentary fic where I rip Beatrix a new one for being a poorly written character: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/14012757/6/Everything-Wrong-with-Final-Fantasy-IX

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          [...]

          are you the antifa stalinist from twitter who spams parts of this critique when random fans (including japs who definitely aren't going to understand shit) post their screenshots or fanart with Garnet?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Keep using dumb buzzwords anon. I’m a Marxist.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >I'm dumb

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Read a frigging Marx book before you start spewing from your high horse.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              So it really is you lol, very fitting that a Stalin worshipper hates FFIX tbh
              I endured 3 chapters of your manifesto when you dropped it on that twitter jap artist and it was the most autistic thing I read in a long time. The plot would suck so fricking bad if you could get your hands on it. The Garnet parts made me wonder, how are your interactions with women irl?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There are other people besides Stalin that are Marxists you know, Lenin, Mao, Che Guevara, etc. maybe read some real history instead of what your corporate owned media tells you to believe.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The Garnet parts made me wonder, how are your interactions with women irl?
                Fine, thank you very much. I criticize IX because it promised a wholesome and focused love story, and it did not deliver.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I criticize IX because it promised a wholesome and focused love story
                FFIX isn't a love story. It has a romantic arc within it, but it's not a love story. It's a story about the pains and joys of life, and the fear of death.
                >and it did not deliver.
                I'm not gonna read your manifesto but explain your reasoning here, because there's nothing wrong with Zidane and Garnet's romance.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >FFIX isn't a love story. It has a romantic arc within it, but it's not a love story. It's a story about the pains and joys of life, and the fear of death.

                Then why is the main theme, Melodies of Life, a love song? one of the worst parts of IX is the poorly done love story of Zidane and Garnet, which the game tries to make it all out to be a bigger deal and focus than it actually is. It is really overhyped, and if you think I'm exaggerating, look at:

                a) The 'I want to be your Canary' play that clearly represents Zidane and Garnet, and it being shown at the beginning and end of the game, which I've already discussed above.

                b) The fact that the main theme of the game, 'Melodies of Life', is a love song- and is even called "our song" by Zidane and Garnet, which plays constantly, in different mixes, throughout the whole game. (Even serving as the World Map theme music! Until Disk 4, anyways) Not even VIII's and X's main love songs were played out that much.

                And finally,

                c) The commercials and ads for IX generally gave off the impressions that it was heavily romance focused, with most of them playing 'Melodies of Life' in them and showing off mostly Zidane and Garnet's FMV scenes together. Don't believe me? Look at them yourself.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Then why is the main theme, Melodies of Life, a love song?
                It's not. It's a song about losing someone close to you and the memories of that person that keep them alive.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >It's not. It's a song about losing someone close to you and the memories of that person that keep them alive.

                And yet it is called “our song” by both Zidane and Garnet, not to mention the lyrics.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >not to mention the lyrics.
                The lyrics that are about losing someone close to you and keeping their memory inside you? It's not about Zidane and Garnet, it's about dealing with death and about the power of memories, which are the actual primary themes of the game. The fact that neither Garnet or Zidane even died should clue you in on the fact that the song isn't about them or their love story. I wonder if you understand what the point of Memoria was?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Now here is the Japanese version, it definitely sounds like a love song. But keep coping.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >it definitely sounds like a love song
                No, it doesn't. You're just fricking stupid. It's a song about losing someone you love (not necessarily in a romantic sense) but it is not a love song. It's not about romance, it's the pain of loss and the joy of the memories you keep inside. The point of Memoria is that everyone is connected through their memories and those memories are shared with the Crystal and future lives.
                >A voice from the past, joining yours and mine, adding up the layers of harmony.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >because there's nothing wrong with Zidane and Garnet's romance.

                There is, Garnet spends most of the game ignoring Zidane and giving him the cold shoulder to whine about her mother and kingdom. The fact that she DRUGGED AND ABANDONED him in Lindblum also really ruins the love story. She cares more about her psycho mother (that she wanted to ESCAPE from in the first place) than she does about Zidane, the guy who loved and protected her and help get her to Lindblum, and just spends most of the game drowning in a puddle of her own wangst.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >She cares more about her psycho mother (that she wanted to ESCAPE from in the first place) than she does about Zidane, the guy who loved and protected her and help get her to Lindblum
                She's known Zidane for like two days at that point you histrionic moron.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Marxist trying to get people to read his literal fan fiction
              I dont even know what game anyone in this thread is talking about and I dont really care but I did want to make a point to drop by and tell you to have a nice day.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >(including japs who definitely aren't going to understand shit)
            You do realize that online translation is a thing, plus lots of Japanese can know English.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I really despise this kind of thing. This kind of nitpicky criticism is always written by hacks who couldn't write anything to save their lives. I guarantee if you actually bothered to write anything of your own and not just leech off other people’s works, it would be utter garbage.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Queen Brahne was brainwashed. How does Beatrix justify her actions?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Garnet has a share of blame in that too for her dumb and selfish actions: 1) Runs away from home because she's afraid her mother is going crazy and trying to start a war

          2) Risks the lives of many, many people and causes numerous deaths along her flight from the castle (yes, I count all those Black Mages on the cargo airship as deaths)

          3) Upon arrival in Lindblum suddenly proclaims that she refuses to believe her mother is evil and trying to take over the world, despite proof of her unprovoked attack on Burmecia, the slaughter of Black Mages from the Black Waltzes that were clearly sent by her, and the attempts to kill the “kidnappers”.

          4) Runs all the way home because apparently she wanted to “just talk to her mom” and DRUGS AND ABANDONS ZIDANE: the guy who loved her. Thus rendering the whole point of the kidnapping and entire beginning of the game completely pointless. Not to mention ruining the love story with her and Zidane that the game tries to hype up so much.

          5) Through her stupidity, she gets captured and tortured. Millions of people die from the results of her entirely preventable course of action because she basically handed over her Eidolons to her mother on a silver platter, and just to rub salt in the wound, she never gets called and chewed out on any of this, especially not by Zidane who should very rightfully be furious and upset with her, after all that he did for her, only for her to blow him off.

          Until Disk 1 Lindblum. The game starts out decently, but then it all goes downhill after Lindblum when Garnet starts being an idiot and ruins the love story and renders the whole beginning of the game completely pointless.

          ok you are definitely this dude
          small world, but then I guess you have the world's greatest hate boner for FF9/Garnet

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It’s pretty easy to have a “hate boner” when not enough people address IX’s issues and continue to jerk it off for no good reason. Sorry if I’m irritated that Garnet’s stupidity isn’t brought up enough. Seriously, people will b***h more about Rinoa than Garnet. Rinoa only did MINOR stupid things, and was still an actual likeable and endearing character, while Garnet wasn’t.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              IXgays are stunted children who held the game as a security blanket in their developmental years, which is why they hold it on a pedestal like the fricking word of God. All of them have some moronic sob story about how they were bullied in school or their parents were divorcing and Vivi taught them to be brave!

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I can forgive Rinoa because she actually is stupid, Garnet is supposed to be smarter

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Was Brahne even brainwashed? The game never really properly explains what made her go insane, and Kuja is an unreliable narrator.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I chalked it up to Brahne being an insane fat b***h tyrant but maybe the original jap text is more clean on this

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No amount of original japanese text will fix the games grade school writing and stupidity.

          The fact that Sakaguchi said FFIX represents his ideal just demonstrates SE were a bunch of absolute hacks even back in their golden age. Seriously if you ever look at the Japanese version of IX and then English localization, the localization just BARELY saved it from the one dimensional cheap dramatic acting. The dialogues are so unbelievably atrocious in the original it's no wonder we have X 2.5.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >the localization just BARELY saved it from the one dimensional cheap dramatic acting
            I hope you're trolling because Zidane's dialogue is supposed to be theatric. He's an actor.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              No, he is being completely serious, this scene is Zidane’s internal thoughts on Garnet, and is speaking on his love for Garnet. That is not an “act”. Also, Zidane is a thief masquerading as an actor.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He's clearly into theater and relates his own feelings to plays (the Ipsen and Colin thing), it's reasonable that even his internal thoughts are that way

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They're good enough to play in front of royalty in a huge event, they're both actors and thieves

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He's a kid who has been around theater for ages. The game itself is also a throwback to chivalry, classic romantic love, etc.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Okay, but Zidane is clearly in love with Garnet in the scene depicted in that picture.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >"me and her"
            "She and I."
            Such quality to prove... nothing.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's mean to be more like a stage play than a traditionally written story.

            That's why we have that opening scene with the literal stage play.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >It's mean to be more like a stage play than a traditionally written story.
              Proof?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Ah, the good old "if I say something objectively better is bad, they will surely call me based".
            Actually kind of based for trolling the newbies with such a simple bait, I have to admit.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        She was definitely fricked in the head in some way because as she's dying she kinda snapped out of it.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >because as she's dying she kinda snapped out of it.

          That was also weak and dumb.

          >Brahne "I...I am empty now... Free..." "Free...of that...terrible...greed..."

          Well, I just exploded. No, no, NO. It's simply impossible to do this, Brahne left a moral event horizon behind already when she blew up Cleyra and ordered to have Garnet's head cut off. This is not greed, this is excessive and unmotivated cruelty, for which there is no justification and is cheap, over the top, edgy try-hard juvenile nonsense, and this pathetic attempt to try and knock out a drop of sympathy and compassion for this dolt-elephant just looks really wretched. She was just another Emperor Gestahl/President Shinra/Vinzer Deling clone copy (with a dash of Disney cartoon villain thrown in) whose only purpose was to serve as a fake main antagonist until getting back stabbed and killed off.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Please don't (you) me with schizo non sense. There are other anons in this thread that'll play with you.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Okay is “YOU ARE A SCHIZO” your only rebuttal? Just admit that you have no counter argument to my points.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That's basically how I felt when I got there. Then they basically give her a hero's memorial after all she did.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This is what the UItimania says.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That doesn’t even explain how exactly Kuja made Brahne go batshit insane. It’s all unsatisfying and poorly written bullshit.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >39 year old white woman

          lol lmao, i always thought she was suppose to be like 60+

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >39 year old white woman

          lol lmao, i always thought she was suppose to be like 60+

          Anon, she is blue.

          Why is she blue?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Being a loyal retainer who remembers that the nations of the world had been at war for decades until Linblum imposed their air superiority upon everyone else
      Beatrix is never shown fighting or killing any Burmeciains/Cleryans and actively created a strategy to avoid direct combat with anyone at Cleyra and even when Zidane's group stood in her way she let them live.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >She could have killed the party twice and didn't.
        Neither did Kuja. She didn't spare the party out of some goodness of her heart, she did it because its a jrpg and it has to have Unwinnable Battles where the villain doesn't bother to finish you off...for reasons.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Neither did Kuja
          Does Beatrix seek out death and destruction of other nations? No, Brahne does, under provocation from Kuja who is being coerced by Garland. Pointing the finger at Beatrix is the clearest indication of someone being shortsighted and biased as to who is to blame for the ongoing conflict in FF9's world.
          >she did it because its a jrpg and it has to have Unwinnable Battles where the villain doesn't bother to finish you off...for reasons
          correct, which is why FF9 is badly written

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Stop trying to justify things from what is clearly a poorly written version of Cecil and Celes. Cecil’s arc was way better done, with Cecil at the beginning of the game you were shown the conflict with him and the red wings with them debating if they should really do those actions, and when actually attacking Mysidia, actually showed hesitation and afterwards immediate remorse, there was actual build up, and unlike Beatrix, didn't act like a total jerk wad or brainwashed tool when doing it (I don't judge a person based solely on their actions but also largely on their attitude and motives, which is what I think all people should do), with Beatrix there is no build up, the scene on the Red Rose with her post-Cleyra I felt was a complete ass pull, then bam! Suddenly when you're back in Alexandria, she's her jerkwad self again, then afterwards as this one person put it "through the span of three dialogue boxes, changes from a cold blooded war mongerer to a loyal companion"? Yeah, no, that's not how it works, it's really cliché.

            With Cecil at the beginning of the game you were shown the conflict with him and the red wings with them debating if they should really do those actions, and when actually attacking Mysidia, actually showed hesitation and afterwards immediate remorse, there was actual build up, and unlike Beatrix, didn't act like a total jerk wad or brainwashed tool when doing it (I don't judge a person based solely on their actions but also largely on their attitude and motives, which is what I think all people should do), with Beatrix there is no build up, the scene on the Red Rose with her post-Cleyra I felt was a complete ass pull, then bam! Suddenly when you're back in Alexandria, she's her jerkwad self again, then afterwards as this one person put it "through the span of three dialogue boxes, changes from a cold blooded war mongerer to a remorseful friend"? Yeah, no, that's not how it works, it's really dumb.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Stop trying to justify things from what is clearly a poorly written version of Cecil and Celes
              you're the one screeching about them here
              >with Beatrix there is no build up, the scene on the Red Rose with her post-Cleyra I felt was a complete ass pull
              It's not. Beatrix devises a strategy that allows her to get what Brahne wants with minimal fuss and instead of thanking her for her work Brahne ungracious takes the israeliteel from Beatrix and then nukes Cleyra. Why would you want to serve someone who disregards your devotion to them?
              >"through the span of three dialogue boxes, changes from a cold blooded war mongerer to a loyal companion"
              It's almost as if it might have something to do with Brahne deciding Garnet should be put to death or something.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >you're the one screeching about them here
                And you are the one making dumb excuses for instead of just admitting that she is poorly written.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >you are the one making dumb excuses for instead of just admitting that she is poorly written
                I've never made an excuse for FF9 being poorly written, I've agreed every time someone else has said the same thing

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Then why the heck do you even care if Beatrix did or did not kill anyone? It doesn’t refute any of the bullshit that has happened and doesn’t stop Beatrix from being a shit character.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >why the heck do you even care if Beatrix did or did not kill anyone?
                Because people are making claims they can't back up. If you're going to cry about some character being shit then you shouldn't need to lie about it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Same with everyone trying to defend IX.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >It's not. Beatrix devises a strategy that allows her to get what Brahne wants with minimal fuss and instead of thanking her for her work Brahne ungracious takes the israeliteel from Beatrix and then nukes Cleyra. Why would you want to serve someone who disregards your devotion to them?

                Once again, you are spouting headcanon and mental gymnastics.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >you are spouting headcanon and mental gymnastics
                So Beatrix doesn't have her troops create a distraction while she grabs the israeliteel from Cleyra? Show us a video clip of what actually happens in Cleyra then.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >It's almost as if it might have something to do with Brahne deciding Garnet should be put to death or something.

                Oh that’s when Beatrix realizes that the Queen has gone too far? Not even when she made an unprovoked invasion on Burmecia and ordered war crimes and genocide?

                The fact that she doesn't at least wonder why her queen (who was perfectly peaceful and rational up until a short time after the death of her husband) suddenly starts acting like a warmongering lunatic and ordering genocides left and right, until too little, too late, does not speak well to Beatrix as an individual. Especially since Garnet tried to talk to her about it before but Beatrix wouldn't listen. (As Garnet said in Lindblum towards Cid) Beatrix is just suddenly morally conflicted because the writers said so.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Oh that’s when Beatrix realizes that the Queen has gone too far?
                Yeah
                >Not even when she made an unprovoked invasion on Burmecia and ordered war crimes and genocide?
                The backstory of FF9 is that the world's nations had been at war for decades until Lindblum achieved air superiority over everyone else and told them all to sit the frick down. Why don't you know anything about the game?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Because none of that lore is expanded on or really gone into detail about. And how does that justify what Brahne did when even Garnet warned Beatrix about it? You are looking WAY too deep into this and just spouting headcanon.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >none of that lore is expanded on
                It's literally the plot of the game you fricking moron

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No, the plot of the game is Gaia and Terra. When was the last time you even played IX BTW?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The plot of the game is that Garland has been flooding the main continent with Mist (for such a long time that it's called the Mist Continent) to make people more aggressive and wage war against each other, resulting in the constant history of war between all those kindgoms.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Terrans incite endless conflict on Gaia with mist to kill off the planets' souls, trapping them in the Lifa tree so that they can replace them
                >this is totally unrelated to the only densely populated part of Gaia constantly being at arms with each other
                When was the last time you did you dumbass

                Which also makes no sense when Garland has the Invincible. Why did Garland even need an “Angel of Death” like Zidane and Kuja when he already has the powerful invincible to use on Gaians? (Not even Alexander the most powerful Gaia Eidolon could stand up to it)

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                In Bran Bal, Mikoto says that Garland once tried to rush the process in the distant past and it backfired somehow resulting in a huge delay. So he's been doing the slow and steady method with the mist, until Lindblum forced peace on the continent so he had Kuja bring in the black mages.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Because vaporizing everything wouldn't leave a habitable world behind?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He only need to blow up the densely populated areas, not the whole world. Besides it’s not like the Invincible’s blasts function as real life nukes and leave behind radiation.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Because vaporizing everything wouldn't leave a habitable world behind?

                Garland has the super weapons and can beat any group 1v1 but he cant beat them all at the same time. And it would be a problem if the whole planet realized what he was doing and united together to try and stop it.

                >but his weapons is stronger

                but the gaians dont even need to fight. they can run and scatter and hide. as long as they stay alive garland loses.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You do realize that Gaia’s airships are not as advanced as Garland’s is, and can’t run without Mist, so the Invincible can fly at a much higher altitude.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous
              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Terrans incite endless conflict on Gaia with mist to kill off the planets' souls, trapping them in the Lifa tree so that they can replace them
                >this is totally unrelated to the only densely populated part of Gaia constantly being at arms with each other
                When was the last time you did you dumbass

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Gaia and Terra being "in opposition" to each other is why nations are being influenced into fighting each other.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >none of that lore is expanded on or really gone into detail about
                So basically you only care about the game on a superficial level and aren't as knowledgeable about it as I am, got it.
                >how does that justify what Brahne did
                It doesn't, that's why Brahne plays the villain in the game though even she is being manipulated by Kuja, who is being coerced by Garland.
                >You are looking WAY too deep into this and just spouting headcanon.
                https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy_IX_timeline

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Does Beatrix seek out death and destruction of other nations?
            She certainly seems to imply it with her gleeful b***h behaviour in Burmecia and Cleyra until she pulls a complete one-eighty on the Red Rose airship.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >She certainly seems to imply it with her gleeful b***h behaviour in Burmecia and Cleyra
              Such as warning opponents of who she is and what she's capable of before engaging with them? Or letting them live after she's beaten them?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You are just grasping at straws and none of that explains away Beatrix’s condescending and unlikeable behaviour, when she could easily turn on her fat b***h of a Queen, hold a sword to her throat and make her surrender?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You are just grasping at straws and none of that explains away Beatrix’s condescending and unlikeable behaviour
                I'm not the one trying to make my arguments come off as "explaining away" Beatrix's personality, I'm pointing out the the actual facts of her actions against what's being assumed of her. I don't care if you think she's a dickhead or whatever, but nothing in her actions paints her as a sadist or needlessly violent, unlike someone like Brahne.
                >she could easily turn on her fat b***h of a Queen, hold a sword to her throat and make her surrender?
                yet another mark against FF9's writing

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So you admit that IX is poorly written, yet you are arguing semantics on if Beatrix directly killed anyone? Dude, that is completely irrelevant and you are clearly just cherry picking and ignoring my main point on why Beatrix was not done well. Just admit that many part of game could have gone better and it needs to be rewritten in a Remake, especially Zidane and Garnet.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >So you admit that IX is poorly written, yet you are arguing semantics on if Beatrix directly killed anyone?
                It's not semantics that something isn't shown. Either you have proof that something happened or you don't, assumptions aren't proof.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Who the hell CARES?! It doesn’t make Beatrix any better of a character, you are just nitpicking.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Who the hell CARES?!
                People who care about actual facts rather than headcanon

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Beatrix is never shown fighting or killing any Burmeciains/Cleyrans

        Just because it wasn’t shown onscreen didn’t mean that it didn’t happen, it also doesn’t all of Beatrix’s condescending and b***h behaviour throughout it.

        >and actively created a strategy to avoid direct combat with anyone at Cleyra

        Then why did she LAUGH in Cleyra when the others fell for her trap?

        >Beatrix "Ha! They fell for it."

        That's right, Beatrix is LAUGHING as she is about to commit war crimes on the rat people. Keep in mind that immediately after Cleyra, the game will suddenly try to portray Beatrix as "sympathetic and conflicted" and apparently "never wanted any of this", while scenes like this one right now clearly say otherwise.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Just because it wasn’t shown onscreen didn’t mean that it didn’t happen
          >due Beatrix totally ate rat babies offscreen she's pure evil trust me
          All the worst violence done against Cleyra/Burmecia is seen as being committed by the Black Waltz who answer directly to Zorn/Thorn/Brahne as opposed to the Alexandrian army. Beatrix is guilty, but she's guilty of being the highest ranking officer in the army who could put some kind of stop or check Brahne's rampant greed but did nothing because blind loyalty, contrasting to Steiner who's her direct foil as a weak, pathetic laughingstock alexandrian knight who still decides to do the right thing and go against his monarch's wishes. Which is what makes it particularly crappy that the final meaningful scene with Beatrix doesn't have Steiner calling her out and making her finally stop being a blind order-following c**t, but instead Zidane doing it, who has no connection to the fricking character at all.
          The worst I can see Beatrix being guilty of is slaughtering any Burmecian soldiers who tried to attack Brahne in an official capacity as bodyguard to the alexandrian monarch, in fact, do we even know whether she is aware of what the Cleyra gem can do as she steals it and hands it to Brahne?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >All the worst violence done against Cleyra/Burmecia is seen as being committed by the Black Waltz who answer directly to Zorn/Thorn/Brahne as opposed to the Alexandrian army.
            The Black Waltzes were defeated in Dali before the party even got to Lindblum, did you even play the game?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous
        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Just because it wasn’t shown onscreen didn’t mean that it didn’t happen
          So show us the proof that it did happen or denounce anyone else that makes assumptive statements.
          >Then why did she LAUGH in Cleyra when the others fell for her trap?
          Because it proved how good a general she was since she accomplished her goal without having to kill a single enemy
          >Beatrix is LAUGHING as she is about to commit war crimes on the rat people
          You mean Brahne who nuked Clerya despite Beatrix having already given her what she wanted?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >So show us the proof that it did happen or denounce anyone else that makes assumptive statements.
            The fact that she was about to cut down a Burmecia soldier with no remorse and hesitation in the palace: Burmecian Soldier "Burmecia will never fall! Prepare to die!"

            Beatrix "You wish to fight me, Beatrix of Alexandria?"

            Bumercian Soldier "B-Beatrix!?"

            Beatrix "I commend your courage, but I will show you no mercy."

            Again, "real conflicted" character right here with Beatrix's portrayal right now. *Sarcasm*

            [Freya and Zidane jump down. Beatrix, Brahne, and Kuja turn around to face them]

            Zidane "Hold it!"

            Freya "You'll have to deal with us, first!"
            "We'll take care of this. Go find the king. Protect him with your life."

            Burmecian Soldier "...Thank you, Freya."

            [He runs away]

            Beatrix "Ha ha ha. I've never been so humiliated in my life."

            Yeah, real sympathetic conflicted character here.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >The fact that she was about to cut down a Burmecia soldier with no remorse and hesitation
              She literally stopped and told the soldier who she was and waited for him to respond and he ends up running away.
              >Yeah, real sympathetic conflicted character here.
              I'm not arguing that Beatrix is sympathetic, just that people are making claims about her actions that are assumptive and have no actual proof to back up those assumptions.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Because it proved how good a general she was since she accomplished her goal without having to kill a single enemy
            You are just projecting what you want to see. Especially since her own troops are seen executing rats in the very next scene:

            [A light floats down behind them, transforming into a black mage. They shout "Aaa!" and run off the screen. He shouts "KILL!". You have a battle with the black mage]

            [The two maidens run back onto the screen, shouting "Aaa!", followed by three Alexandrian soldiers]

            Alexandrian Soldier "Foolish Cleyrans, your time as come!"

            Zidane "Over here!" "I'm the one you want!"

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >You are just projecting what you want to see
              Am I? Show me where she cuts a bloody swath through Cleyra instead of making a distraction and claiming the israeliteel practically unimpeded until Zidane and his crew try to stop her.

              >her own troops are seen executing rats in the very next scene
              link a youtube clip of them actually killing Cleyrans

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The fact that they didn’t stop the mages and enabled them isn’t proof enough for you?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What's in dispute here is whether or not the Alexandrian soldiers killed any Cleyrans. If you can't provide any proof then I'll take that as a concession of the point.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Oh so letting the Black Mages kill Civilians for them is any better? You are coming off as more and more of a sociopath.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >dodges the original point that was brought up again
                I accept your concession.
                >letting the Black Mages kill Civilians for them is any better?
                Than attacking your queen's allies and being marked a traitor? Yes.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >You mean Brahne who nuked Clerya despite Beatrix having already given her what she wanted?

            No I mean the multiple times throughout Burmecia and Cleyra where Beatrix is laughing and coming off as a sadist. Either reread the game script, which I have on the review fic, or piss off.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >the multiple times throughout Burmecia and Cleyra where Beatrix is laughing and coming off as a sadist
              So you making the assumption she's a sadist rather than her actually being a sadist? Shows us the proof of her sadism with youtube video links.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                laughing at murder and genocide isn't proof enough because..?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                what section of dialog has her laughing about murder and genocide?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I literally gave you some, see

                >So show us the proof that it did happen or denounce anyone else that makes assumptive statements.
                The fact that she was about to cut down a Burmecia soldier with no remorse and hesitation in the palace: Burmecian Soldier "Burmecia will never fall! Prepare to die!"

                Beatrix "You wish to fight me, Beatrix of Alexandria?"

                Bumercian Soldier "B-Beatrix!?"

                Beatrix "I commend your courage, but I will show you no mercy."

                Again, "real conflicted" character right here with Beatrix's portrayal right now. *Sarcasm*

                [Freya and Zidane jump down. Beatrix, Brahne, and Kuja turn around to face them]

                Zidane "Hold it!"

                Freya "You'll have to deal with us, first!"
                "We'll take care of this. Go find the king. Protect him with your life."

                Burmecian Soldier "...Thank you, Freya."

                [He runs away]

                Beatrix "Ha ha ha. I've never been so humiliated in my life."

                Yeah, real sympathetic conflicted character here.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Beatrix "Ha ha ha. I've never been so humiliated in my life."
                She's laughing about being underestimated, not about genocide or murder.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So she care more about her dumb pride than all of the atrocities that her queen and soldiers are committing. Not exactly getting any sympathy from me.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So we've swiveled from her "laughing at murder and genocide" to "she has way too much pride about being a strong knight". Thanks for vindicating me by continuously moving the goalposts.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You have not refuted any of my point about Beatrix being a shitty character, you are just arguing semantics. Stop with this dumb circular logic and just admit IX problems.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You have not refuted any of my point about Beatrix being a shitty character
                Beatrix being a shitty character is subjective. I'd argue she's a great character because people are still butthurt about her over two decades after she was debuted.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The fact that she is a Mary Sue that the game forces you to lose to in three bullshit fight says otherwise. Especially when Zidane was in all of them who is supposed to be superior to Kuja.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The fact that she is a Mary Sue that the game forces you to lose to in three bullshit fight says otherwise
                Nah, that proves my point that she lives rent free in your mind

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You provided no counter argument.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There is no counter argument other than what was already stated.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >People don't like her, that's proof she's good! My logic is perfect.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's proof that she's a good character. A bad character is one people forget or don't care about.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah man, that makes sense. Any thing that people don't like is actually good because they technically remember it, perfect logic there. It's actually impossible for anything you remember to be bad.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Any thing that people don't like is actually good because they remember it, perfect logic there
                glad we agree

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Me too, it's fun being moronic, glad we can do it together

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Tell that to SAO, or Bleach.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > Puck
                "Freya! The town's in trouble!"
                "Ya gotta come back, please!"

                Freya
                "No! My fears were true!"
                "At once, my lord!"

                [Freya runs off the screen]

                Puck
                "C'mon, you deadweights! Hustle!"

                [Puck runs off the screen]

                Zidane
                "You heard him! Let's go!"

                [Zidane, Vivi, and Quina run off the screen. Beatrix appears at the other end of the screen they were just in]

                Beatrix
                "Ha! They fell for it."

                Before laughs before they are about to invade and kill civilians.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Filthy rats!
                Sickness must be purged!

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                She laughs about them running away from the israeliteel, which she then takes with practically no resistance. If she's laughing about killing civilians then show us video of her killing them. If you can't produce any then your claim has no merit.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Dude stop grasping at straws, you admit that Beatrix is poorly written yet you stubbornly argue about all of this?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Dude stop grasping at straws
                I'm not the guy crying about a claim they can't prove

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The screen changes to show the Cleyra settlement. Balls of light descend, and turn into Black Mages, who attack and kill anyone they see]

                Burmecian Soldier Dan
                "How dare you show up here!"
                [The black mage does a fire attack on him]
                "Ungah!"
                [He dies]

                [Two black mages appear in front of priests in front of the entrance to the inn, and they're killed as well, the black mages exclaiming "KILL!" aftewards]

                [Screen changes to the entrance of the Cleyra settlement. A moogle, followed by two Cleyran maidens, run down the stairs]

                "Kupo!"
                [He runs off screen]

                Flower Maiden Sharon
                "Please save us!!!"

                Water Maiden Shannon
                "The town is full of demons!"

                Zidane
                "Are there really that many!?"

                Flower Maiden Sharon
                "They just keep coming!"

                [A light floats down behind them, transforming into a black mage. They shout "Aaa!" and run off the screen. He shouts "KILL!". You have a battle with the black mage]

                [The two maidens run back onto the screen, shouting "Aaa!", followed by three Alexandrian soldiers]

                Alexandrian Soldier
                "Foolish Cleyrans, your time as come!"

                The Alexandrian Soldiers certainly don’t come off as hesitant and remorseful here.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                good thing we were talking about Beatrix specifically rather than the Alexandrian soldiers
                can you go at least 2 posts without moving goalposts here?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You are the one moving goalposts and taking everything in the script ridiculously literal.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You are the one moving goalposts
                In nearly every post I've made I've asked for evidence of Beatrix cutting down people, it's the only thing I'm pointing out throughout this thread

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Was Brahne even brainwashed? The game never really properly explains what made her go insane, and Kuja is an unreliable narrator.

      It's implied she was brainwashed by kuja and the Brahne we saw dying on the beach was the real Brahne

      https://i.imgur.com/tGrzxpE.jpeg

      The Alexandrian army slaughtered hundreds of innocent Burmecians in a worthless war that achieved nothing.

      [...]
      I wrote a whole script Commentary fic where I rip Beatrix a new one for being a poorly written character: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/14012757/6/Everything-Wrong-with-Final-Fantasy-IX

      Where were you guys in the Final Fantasy thread where everyone was shitting on me for saying FF9 was poorly written

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >brainwashed

      Was Brahne even brainwashed? The game never really properly explains what made her go insane, and Kuja is an unreliable narrator.

      In game they mention that mist makes people more violent and iirc they never extrapolate further than that, Brahne dying memtions that she feels relieved to be free of the desire to warmonger or something and that's that. It's just bad writing, most of what happens in FFIX happens just for the sake of it.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Beatrix kills literally no one on-screen and the Burmecians still fighting when you arrive didn't even realize she was there
      She doesn't even kill anyone in Cleyra, and is just there to demand the crystal. Basically every single casualty in these conflicts are caused by the black mages, and they're barely sapient immediately after being hatched

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You clearly see Alexandrian soldiers attacking rats with the Black Mages in Cleyra.

        Also it makes no sense that there were no Alexandrian soldiers in Burmecia, especially when Burmecia differs from Cleyra just by militancy alone.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      She felt a little sad about it and that's enough. I mean have you seen her breasts? You really going to caller her a génocidaire when she looks that good?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I always killed beatrix and left her dead for that brief period of time she joins you. Frick "unwinnable" boss fights

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That is a meta move since she steals your EXP if you kept her alive

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Doesnt her exp just go to amarant the same way other characters go to Eiko's

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No. Its straight out gone

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          the reward for not being a simp

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They were rats, they had it coming.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/tGrzxpE.jpeg

      The Alexandrian army slaughtered hundreds of innocent Burmecians in a worthless war that achieved nothing.

      How is this proper military attire?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It isn't really but leotards on female warriors was a nip character design staple back then
        Wish it still was

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The blatant display of pure and superior human genes sacred rat men an women.

          This
          Leotards are peak female armor.

          I'm pretty sure Red Sonja came up with the idea first.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The blatant display of pure and superior human genes sacred rat men an women.

          Thong leotards increases women's agility by a lot, which is good, since women shouldn't be weary heavy armor to begin with. It's all about light armor for speed and agility when it comes to female fighters.

          According to General Butt Naked (Liberian warlord) going to battle naked gave him godly luck powers that would make the enemy bullets magically miss him.

          It's possible these leotards grant them increased evasion.

          this is why ballerinas are cool. theyre actually fierce warriors with intense focus

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The blatant display of pure and superior human genes sacred rat men an women.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >that juicy butt
          What are they feeding them, damn.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Its kind of hard to tell who is actually human in 9 given weird shit like how Tot and Brahne look.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Thong leotards increases women's agility by a lot, which is good, since women shouldn't be weary heavy armor to begin with. It's all about light armor for speed and agility when it comes to female fighters.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Men went to war wearing almost nothing but holding a shield + a weapon + a helmet, so ironically this

        is pretty accurate.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        According to General Butt Naked (Liberian warlord) going to battle naked gave him godly luck powers that would make the enemy bullets magically miss him.

        It's possible these leotards grant them increased evasion.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >How is this proper military attire?
        Hey, the Celts went to war in the nude...

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          yeah and they got the shit kicked out of them

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        if you can't even kill a mook while almost going naked you have no chance with an armor and you'd be a waste of precious metal. Earn your raise

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        it just works

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Their military specializes in dex bonus strats

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        its a reference to sprite leotards of the nes/snes era which was how all the fantasy/scifi characters of the 80s were drawn. japan really, really loved spandex clothing because of their strong culturall athleticism.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How will these be censored in the 9 remake?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        tights
        then prjeets will come in and psyop you into saying tights is hotter

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It won't no longer be a female-only group of soldiers. Maybe they're changed to generic armored soldiers even.
          [...]
          Also this.

          These are the same morons that say spats are better than panties.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Spats on e-girl's is better. But that's all I'm willing to bat go to bat for.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Spats are nice but not always an upgrade to panties.

              They are the same shit as tight, pajeets. Frick off

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                But sir, she can't shit easily on the street wearing spats.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Aren't spats another type of material and tighter than tights? Imagine the aromas trapped in there..

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Spats are nice but not always an upgrade to panties.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Spats are the second best thing there is next to 70% opacity black panty hose with no underwear underneath.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I like both but I do not like one at the expense of others. There is simply no reason to do such a thing. Some people even manage to have both at once.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It becomes a problem when they slap spats on every girls instead of panties. Or worse, the black void

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Point is, we know what will happen when cero steps in

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Well then I'll start the psyop now and say I do enjoy a leotard with tights/pantyhose more than just a leotard but just a leotard is great too.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It won't no longer be a female-only group of soldiers. Maybe they're changed to generic armored soldiers even.

        tights
        then prjeets will come in and psyop you into saying tights is hotter

        Also this.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >It won't no longer be a female-only group of soldiers.

          It's literally a plot-point that they are. Steiner's Knights of Pluto are the only men in the army.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Why do you think that would ever matter in current year?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You do realize that more people are waking up to the “woman can do no wrong” and pink washing tactics with what is going on in Gaza, right?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                the frick are you on about
                you may be in the wrong thread

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Just pointing out real issues going on that you seem to be burying your head in the sand over.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >not just falling for psyops, diving headfirst into them
                Couldn't be me

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The only one spreading psyops is the U.S.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Countries don't exist anon, they are a lie.
                There is only the Rulers and the Ruled.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You're really optimistic if you think they will respect that.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Youre grifting if you think they wouldn't. They'd probably spin it as feminist sure but they wouldn't change them out for a generic army.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >It won't no longer be a female-only group of soldiers

          It won't happen, it's a plot point that Steiner and his Knights of Pluto are the only 9 men in their military.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >It won't no longer be a female-only group of soldiers.

            It's literally a plot-point that they are. Steiner's Knights of Pluto are the only men in the army.

            That's not a "plot point" you morons, since it has nothing to do with the actual plot. It's just a minor setting detail.
            And if you really believe they wouldn't change a minor detail like that for sweet BRIDGE bucks, you're deep in denial.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              What even is BRIDGE?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                ESG and DEI, under the new branding after those names spread too far.
                The same way Blackwater kept changing their company name after being exposed for their bullshit, but you may be too young to remember that

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          SF girls my beloveds

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Depends if Square-Enix gets any money from nu-ESG

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There is no 9 remake, that shit was fake.
        It's been like 4-5 years now since that "leak" and not a single official word.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Just say you only get your news on Ganker, underarock-kun

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Post the official announcement from Square Enix. In fact, post any interview at all where a SE employee confirmed its existence.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's been less than 3 years. September 2021 was when it happened.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            3 years and not one single word from SE
            Not one single leaked screen
            Zero information
            Shit was fake

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              So? 3 years is nada in game development these days. You have some games taking 10+ years.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And bombing. Square is pivoting hard, and has cancelled a ton of in-development games. If VII Remakes are falling below expectation, there is zero chance for a 9 remake (lowest selling of the generation, even among the remasters) to succeed.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                VII Remake is selling well, stop gaslighting. Just wait until VII Rebirth gets a PC release.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                People didn't buy Rebirth because they were dissatisfied with Remake.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >People didn't buy Rebirth because they were dissatisfied with Remake.

                This guy would disagree with you:

                https://www-finalfantasywhatever-com.translate.goog/2020/04/final-fantasy-vii-remake-review.html?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_sch=http

                https://www-finalfantasywhatever-com.translate.goog/2024/03/final-fantasy-vii-rebirth-review.html?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_sch=http

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >some homosexual disagrees with me
                Ok? He's wrong.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Did you even read them?

                >She cares more about her psycho mother (that she wanted to ESCAPE from in the first place) than she does about Zidane, the guy who loved and protected her and help get her to Lindblum
                She's known Zidane for like two days at that point you histrionic moron.

                You are going by gameplay time, not by realistic travel time. Also, lot of anime characters had quickly strong romances from just a few days.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There are literally airships in the setting, realistically she's known him less than a week since you get to lindblum in like 4 days

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What about travelling on foot from the Evil Forest to Ice Cave, from the Ice Cave to Dali? And regardless none of this justifies drugging and abandoning Zidane and all her friends because she out of nowhere decided she could just “talk to her mother” (something that someone with an other perfect relationship with their mother would do FIRST)

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >What about this headcanon time where they literally do not converse with each other at all
                Even if it took them a week to reach Dali they'd not have moved past the point of simply wanting to use each other for their own means

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Then the love story sucks and needs to be rewritten in a IX Remake, which is my whole point. Garnet is a selfish and unlikeable brat who never gets called out on it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >the love story is bad because garnet makes bad choices impulsively, suffers consequences for them, but isn't berated afterwards
                Care to explain what this has to do with romance?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You are going by gameplay time, not by realistic travel time.
                You sleep once in the Evil Forest, once outside it, and then once in Dali before flying the rest of the way to Lindblum.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What about moving by foot? How big is the IX world compared to Earth?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Why would I care about the opinion of some homosexual with a blog

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >and has cancelled a ton of in-development games.

                That’s a good thing actually, now Square can focus on quality over quantity.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Square
                >Quality

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes their recent games like XVI and the VII Remakes are actually good: https://www-finalfantasywhatever-com.translate.goog/2024/04/everything-is-great-actually.html?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_sch=http

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >People didn't buy Rebirth because they were dissatisfied with Remake.

                This guy would disagree with you:

                https://www-finalfantasywhatever-com.translate.goog/2020/04/final-fantasy-vii-remake-review.html?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_sch=http

                https://www-finalfantasywhatever-com.translate.goog/2024/03/final-fantasy-vii-rebirth-review.html?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_sch=http

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        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          3 years and not one single word from SE
          Not one single leaked screen
          Zero information
          Shit was fake

          Just a reminder that VII Ever Crisis did a IX crossover event and XIV Dawntrail made some IX references recently, with Yoshita saying that “it’s a secret”.

          This sums it up nicely: https://www-finalfantasywhatever-com.translate.goog/2024/04/blog-post.html?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_sch=http

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Buy an ad, you homosexual.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Has no argument

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >There is no 9 remake
          FFXIV's next expansion Dawntrail comes with a Garnet and Zidane minion as a pre-order gift and the director himself said it's related to something in the future.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            yea no shit probably an FF9 themed raid, same shit with endwalker basically being FF4

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            CBU3 has also had Sakaguchi show up at every single event in Japan for the last year
            I wouldn't be surprised if the "smaller scale remake" is just code for just remaking it as a single fully realized game and it's actually going to be a bigger deal than expected

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah because we totally got a FF4 Remake with Endwalker

            moron they just pick a random FF to base expansions around, it was bound to be 9's turn at some point.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            yea no shit probably an FF9 themed raid, same shit with endwalker basically being FF4

            >FF9 themed raid
            What it would be?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Memoria and Crystal World for sure
              I'd say Pandamonium but they already blew their load on it and didn't even use either fricking theme

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What everyone else said on top of making most of them brown. I don't mind tbh.

        Depends if Square-Enix gets any money from nu-ESG

        Square-Enix will do it anyways to avoid controversy, but the Trials of Mana remake didn't care. It depends if Square-Enix wants to make it a AAA game or not.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Who cares. Will they fix freya and fratleys arc in the remake?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          If they intent to do it like the VII Remakes are doing and actually changing, fixing and expanding on things. If not then I am not even going to bother to buy a IX Remake if it’s just going to have the same bullshit of Garnet being a dumbass and blowing off Zidane.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Covered and uglyfied

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/tGrzxpE.jpeg

      The Alexandrian army slaughtered hundreds of innocent Burmecians in a worthless war that achieved nothing.

      The blatant display of pure and superior human genes sacred rat men an women.

      Why are only blonds allowed in the army?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I never even noticed these while playing the game.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Human men owe the people of Burmecia reparations.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I'm sorry son. But because your grandmother fought in the war we had to marry you off to a burmecian princess. forgive me.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Sorry dad I couldn't catch that. I was to busy ensuring peace for our nation for generations to cum.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Oh no?!

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Imagine a band of Cleyran dancers getting captured, raped, and enslaved by Beatrix and her leotard ladies.

      How many men do you think laid down their arms when they found out Alexandria was invading & knew all of their women too would be forced to wear the leotard?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >laid down their arms
        >not pretending to fight so the leotard wearing warrior women rape you as punishment

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >forced to submit and work as an airship engineer or a house husband so they can further their conquest
          >your owner a high ranking blonde female soldier brings home a captured burmecian dressed as a Cleyran dancer one day
          >the rats have been made exempt from the leotard proclamation and instead all will be forced to dress as Cleyran Maidens as part of the treaty post war

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Fantasizing about being a submissive cuck is peak cringe
            Eat some (real)meat

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You are going to have multiple wives who all dress in leotards and other hot outfits. And all women submit to the dick eventually. They are just forcing all women worldwide to dress better.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Fantasizing about being a submissive cuck is peak cringe
            Eat some (real)meat

            Personally I self insert as the husband of a daring Alexandrian soldier that brings home a nice fertile rat girl that we both share.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >ywn aid in the Burmecian repopulation efforts.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm sorry rat bro. It's to late.
        The thread Is dead. Maybe....next time....if we're horny enough.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Those were pretty cute. Shame japs gotta have their Nanking fetish for female grunts.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Freya stays in my party whenever I play. This is NOT negotiable.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Rats don't deserve to be anything but slaves.
    Every rat deserves a man for himself to do as he pleases.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Every rat deserves a man
      Can't tell if frick up or intentional but based?

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    For me it's fem coded black mages

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      have a nice day trannoid

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why was the artist like this?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Like what? What do you want? Not to draw an ass where an ass would be?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I like the detail of the girl asses being rounder and the males having muscle.

      Third ass is a girl btw.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What's the best way to play FF9?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      PC version with Moguri Mod + Memoria engine for variable framerates
      Original version is obviously fine too but has long loading times

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I just played on emulator with turbo button for the loading times, shit was cash and I'm gonna play again modded soon. Can't believe I played 8 as a kid but not this

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Until Disk 1 Lindblum. The game starts out decently, but then it all goes downhill after Lindblum when Garnet starts being an idiot and ruins the love story and renders the whole beginning of the game completely pointless.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >coded

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Death to furries

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Do you think they based the design on Cammy White from Street Fighter?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Cammy is pretty iconic but I don't think she was the first girl to make sexy leotards like that popular in Japan.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Whatever happen to the FFIX animated show adaption?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It was a fever dream you made up

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm getting ready to replay IX for the first time in over 20 years. Should I play the Switch version with all the cheats maxed out to just enjoy the story or should I install Mogri or whatever mod on PC and do it the old fashion way of fightin and grindin?

      They supposedly showed it off at an event but never spoke of it again. It might be tied up with whatever "remaster" SE has in mind that they've been leaking for awhile now. They had some French animation studio make like 26 episodes from what I remember reading of it.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Should I play the Switch version with all the cheats maxed out to just enjoy the story or should I install Mogri or whatever mod on PC and do it the old fashion way of fightin and grindin?
        Do the Moguri mod on PC. I'm replaying it with it right now and it's beautiful. The Switch version is very low res and blurry. The PC version has all the same cheats too if you really want to use those, the speed up is useful for grinding.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >whatever "remaster" SE has in mind that they've been leaking for awhile now
        There was ONE, exactly ONE "leak", and not from SE. SE hasn't even publicly acknowledged that French shit either. It was all cancelled.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          But angry anon, they have an entire history about the animation all the way up til this year on an FF wiki with citations and everything

          https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy_IX_animated_series

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            FF Wiki is fanfiction, anon. Hate to break it to you. They don't cite a single official source.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            "aimed at children 8 to 13" is rough but could be cute if it's about Vivi clones

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It's not, it's about a black donut steel. Typical of frenchies, they have always had blacked fetishes.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I do not believe you

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >BLACK mages
                >used as slaves and persecuted
                The writing was always on the wall and the remake is going to be even less subtle

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It’s not a remaster, it’s a remake, they will not be doing the same flawed story, they will be fixing and changing things, especially Garnet’s stupidity.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >saying this
          >after we have already seen the results of FFVII remake

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Don't fall for such obvious bait wholeheartedly

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Don't fall for such obvious bait wholeheartedly

            VII Remake was good, stop b***hing and moaning about “Muh time jannies” that don’t even ruin the whole game.

            This sums up VIIR’s improvements: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/14332417/1/Everything-the-Final-Fantasy-VII-Remakes-improve-over-the-original

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Can human men mate with Burmecian women? Is everything proportional?

    Asking for a friend.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Human men are a bigger

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >beautiful female soldiers exterminating rats
    >you're not supposed to cheer for them
    I don't know if I'm fricked in the head but there are way too many instances in which I want to side with the badguys.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You're just gullible is all.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You have been spending too much time on right-wing sites.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They aren't any better than the Knights of Pluto and require Beatrix or a eidolons to do their jobs.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Beatrix is a Mary Sue, she is far stronger than she should be.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I do find it amusing in these games where the ruler is clearly completely and obviously insane that nobody, even the rank and file soldiers question what's going on.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They will all just be wearing pants.
    Very best cast scenario is spats.
    You frickers have memories like goldfish

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Beatrix is THE most underrated Final Fantasy Girl of all.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >THE most underrated Final Fantasy Girl of all.
      lolno. There wasn't that many competition during her time and got circlejerk to dead because of her giant boob and WAHEM POWER. Her plot armor and losing to her three times because more apparent when better girls started appearing.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Someone else gets why Beatrix sucks.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Beatrix is an obnoxious mary sue. The fact you cannot defeat her ONCE is a fricking bullshit when the party is led by a literal angel of destruction.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, Zidane should have gotten a unique “Angel of death” trance transformation, kind of like Hollow Ichigo from Bleach, and that should have partially awakened against Beatrix and curp stomped her.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          He had a unique angel of death transformation since the evil forest, moron. All his dyne skills are Terran magic.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Personally I think she's an overrated moron that killed innocent people for shits and giggles
      Lani is the real most underrated girl

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        How is she any better? She's a fricking murderer for hire and she's a shitskin on top of it

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          At least she has a code and doesn't change sides just because some fat b***h told her to

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Bro we're not talking about morals n' shit, we're talking about hot Girls.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The post being responded to was talking about morals

            Personally I think she's an overrated moron that killed innocent people for shits and giggles
            Lani is the real most underrated girl

            >that killed innocent people for shits and giggles
            But when your waifu is exposed as not having any either, suddenly you don't want to talk about morals anymore

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Simps in a nutshell.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >murderer for hire
          vs
          >willing to genocide civilization because MUH DUTY
          >b***h about her employer using an actual nuke instead of using her and her army to kill more people

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >b***h about her employer using an actual nuke instead of using her and her army to kill more people
            This, she's seething after Cleyra because she has to take a backseat to eidolons after her lifetime of training to kill people. She's not angry about the pointless slaughter, she just wanted to do it herself. What a piece of shit.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >b***h about her employer using an actual nuke instead of using her and her army to kill more people
            Honestly based. Nukes are for pussies. How are you going to aquire rat slaves if you just bomb em?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Lani doesn't hide who she really is unlike shitrix, she's a killer and knows it and doesn't pretend to serve a higher cause like Beatrix

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Not that that is any better, but she is at least not incoherent like Beatrix is. Plus, Lani didn’t even seem to want to carry out the orders to kill Zidane and Vivi since she didn’t even acknowledge to them that Brahne gave that bounty.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Funny thing is, she doesn’t even seem to be into killing Zidane and Vivi despite Brahne giving that order. She doesn’t bring that up when she first meets the party in Fossil Roo, she only seems interested in getting back the pendant.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Bigger boobs though.

      • 3 weeks ago
        aceman

        Lani sex

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Lani sex

        Bro we're not talking about morals n' shit, we're talking about hot Girls.

        Same energy as that OC donut steel self insert character with the boomerangs who was in Shovel Knight.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Beatrix is only good for futa on Garnet.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No:

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        comrade, I implore you to take your meds
        I finished IX last week and since then I saw you drop screenshots of your anti-Garnet/Beatrix incel manifesto on random people on two separate websites, this isn't healthy

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >has no argument to my points and just resorts to ad hominem attacks

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not gonna debate a schizo who wrote a ~30 chapter manifesto for a game he hates. The gist of the first 3 chapters seemed to be:
            1. you want all internal conflict completely removed from all characters so they never act in a way that is not 100% optimal
            2. the core part of the plot where Zidane is a low class thug and Garnet is a princess (and they are both aware of this and intentionally avoid starting a doomed romance that cannot continue beyond the kidnapping, Zidane does the fake uncaring womanizer act, Garnet pretends to believe the act) should be removed and she should be gushing every time they interact
            This is moronic and does not warrant any further arguments

            There are other people besides Stalin that are Marxists you know, Lenin, Mao, Che Guevara, etc. maybe read some real history instead of what your corporate owned media tells you to believe.

            you specifically defended/praised Stalin on twitter in recent posts when I looked over your account

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >you specifically defended/praised Stalin on twitter in recent posts when I looked over your account

              So? Stalin was not the “spawn of Satan” that western media tries to paint him as because U.S. news is owned by corporations trying to keep the capitalist status quo and resisting any change.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous
              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Has no argument

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What are you using to post with, comrade?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous
              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Khmer Rouge
                >not communist

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous
              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >absolute monarchies and socialist dictatorships
                >"capitalist"

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You do not know what Socialism even is buddy. Do some real research.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You do realize that socialism is anti-monarchist, right?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Don't advertise your lack of reading comprehension to the world, ESL bro.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Commies are this brainwashed

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No, capitalists and Americans are this brainwashed.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >and they are both aware of this and intentionally avoid starting a doomed romance that cannot continue beyond the kidnapping, Zidane does the fake uncaring womanizer act, Garnet pretends to believe the act

              Okay now you are just injecting your incorrect headcanon into this. This seems to be a trend with IX fans, they make postmodernist interpretations of IX.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >the characters are aware how unlikely a happy ending is given their station in life and act accordingly
                where in the game does Garnet express this idea

                This literally happens in the game at the start of disc 3 when Garnet is about to be queen and cannot even talk to Zidane in private. This situation is only fixed by Kuja destroying everything. You think it's a headcanon interpretation that characters might predict the obvious (at the time) outcome of their situation and act accordingly?
                Zidane is aware of all this when he hands Garnet over in Lindblum. I won't be digging through the script like you did in your manfiesto to find if Garnet expresses that verbally but she clearly cares about her duties as princess, and princesses aren't meant to be shagging thieves

                >and she should be gushing every time they interact
                That would at least give her an actual personality and be an endearing character, instead of the boring and bland character that the game actually gave us that was ridiculously serious and mopey (and people think that Cloud and Squall are the “overly emo” ones)

                I could name tons of female characters, not just from the FF series, but tons of anime that all have way more personality and charm than Garnet does.

                that would be lame as frick, go jerk off and try to think about it again

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I won't be digging through the script like you did in your manfiesto to find if Garnet expresses that verbally but she clearly cares about her duties as princess
                I got your back.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                thanks brah

                >This literally happens in the game at the start of disc 3 when Garnet is about to be queen and cannot even talk to Zidane in private
                She tells Steiner she wants to speak to Zidane and Steiner says they live in different worlds, not her. Then she asks Beatrix and Beatrix says now is not a good time. Literally the only person thinking like that is STEINER. Stop applying other people's dialog to Garnet. Also read up on the game's script before making wrong claims about it.
                http://www.ffwa.eu/ff9/script.php?page=main

                >Also read up on the game's script
                And this is what your entire critique boils down to. You have genuine autism, you read the entire script endless times but you (tragically) have no capacity to understand anything that is not stated in it literally. The final scene of the game is Garnet throwing down her crown to the ground before she jumps in Zidane's arms but you think it's a "postmodernist interpretation" to think their difference in status and her position as princess ("only things on her mind" as in ) were holding them back before. This is honestly a task for a medical practicioner and not anons on some imageboard

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >you (tragically) have no capacity to understand anything that is not stated in it literally
                >The final scene of the game is Garnet throwing down her crown to the ground before she jumps in Zidane's arms
                it's almost as if their "stations" had no real bearing on their romantic aspirations at all and literally all they had to do was agree that they wanted to be with each other. It's an incredibly pathetic "plot point" if that's actually what they were aiming for.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >it's almost as if their "stations" had no real bearing on their romantic aspirations at all and literally all they had to do was agree that they wanted to be with each other.
                Yes, that's literally the fricking point they eventually come to realize. That is the entire point. Good job you stupid homosexual, you finally got it. There is a common theme between them of learning to follow your heart, like when Zidane tells the story of Colin and Ipsen, or when he tells the story of the garnet who wished to shine.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >that's literally the fricking point they eventually come to realize
                If they had to "come to realize" that point then it's just another example of terrible writing through forced drama. There's nothing compelling about it other than the two of them being so fricking moronic that they barely even tried to make their "relationship" work.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >bad writing is when the characters have a character arc instead of already starting out with all their lessons learned
                Commies really do be like this

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Character arcs aren’t infallible, anon. Especially ones as cliche as this.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >>bad writing is when the characters have a character arc
                Wrong. In this case the characters are ACTIVELY AVOIDING having a character arc with each other because they let the mildest of inconveniences get in the way of trying.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And you missed our point that it was forced drama and Zidane and Garnet are idiots who suddenly give a shit about “tradition” and do non-sensical bullshit.

                Do you just blindly go along with whatever the writing says just because the “writers said so” regardless of how contrived and stupid it is?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Zidane and Garnet are idiots who suddenly give a shit about “tradition”
                Suddenly? Tradition is Garnet's entire character. She is completely devoted to her kingdom and her duties. Zidane is more willing to throw tradition aside, but his love and respect for Garnet and what's important to her is exactly what keeps him from doing that.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Zidane is more willing to throw tradition aside, but his love and respect for Garnet and what's important to her is exactly what keeps him from doing that.

                So Zidane is just an annoying simp. Seriously what has Garnet done for Zidane, Zidane has done so much for Zidane and what has Garnet done for him?

                She drugged him, ignores her kingdom's involvement in war crimes (everyone does really), gets jealous over an abandoned six year old receiving attention, but the story wants us to be convinced that Garnet is the love of Zidane's life.

                Which is the fundamental problem with FF9 - it knows the themes it wants to tackle and it wants to have these big emotional moments, but it goes about it so poorly to the point where it comes off as pretentious at times.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >easing of immediate tension causes other concerns to surface
                I can understand how someone as deeply autistic as you fails to understand this as normal human behavior

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Keep using autism as an insult buddy. You clearly never see anything as contrived or manipulative.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Your entire existence is an insult to life itself

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You don't even have the mental capacity to understand people being torn between two different things they want (being a good princess/queen vs. following socially unaceptable love). You are in no position to critique the plot.

                Keep your dumb ableism out of this. Autism is what allows me to have a good memory and attention to detail and recognizing writing contrivances. You just take everything ridiculously at face value and use tons of mental gymnastics instead of admitting that IX just really could have been better.

                Here is another reviewer for you: https://www-finalfantasywhatever-com.translate.goog/2012/10/final-fantasy-ix-review.html?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_sch=http

                I want the best for autists, but understand the facts: you are a robot who can develop an obsession and read the script 100 times without really understanding anything at all. You will never understand anything the way normal people do because you are not a normal person and you don't process things the way we do. You should recognize this, accept your place, and stop tormenting normal people with your schizo nonsense. I have friends who have real aspergers IRL but we recognize that trying to discuss such topics makes no sense. It's like debating an alien. They don't try to assert their sperg interpretations as the truth that should override the actual meaning of a piece made by normal humans for normal humans.

                >Here is another reviewer
                I already saw this because I googled a paragraph out of your schizo ramblings and it turns out you've been spamming shit on reddit and twitter for years

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You don't even have the mental capacity to understand people being torn between two different things they want
                How does being in love with Zidane conflict with Garnet wanting to be a good queen for her people? Who else besides Steiner would object to their relationship? Show absolute proof of your claims rather than headcanon.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >How is the princess/queen shagging random scoundrels a problem, for a character who explicitely states that she cares about acting like a proper princess/queen
                At this point I will just assume that you are too commited to your 30 page ramblings to accept the error of your ways.

                >Show absolute proof of your claims
                Refer to the part about your autism preventing understanding anything that is not literally stated to you in the script

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That poster isn’t even me anon, but keep thinking that everyone in this thread arguing with you is one person.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So you're not the communist autist who keeps spamming screenshots of his 30 chapter fanfic on twitter, reddit and Ganker for years but someone who agrees with him, okay

                Then the love story sucks and needs to be rewritten in a IX Remake, which is my whole point. Garnet is a selfish and unlikeable brat who never gets called out on it.

                The romance plot would suck so fricking bad if you were in charge, it's unreal. You do not understand how normal people think and function

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nobody in IX acts normal and believable.

                >How is the princess/queen shagging random scoundrels a problem, for a character who explicitely states that she cares about acting like a proper princess/queen
                At this point I will just assume that you are too commited to your 30 page ramblings to accept the error of your ways.

                >Show absolute proof of your claims
                Refer to the part about your autism preventing understanding anything that is not literally stated to you in the script

                IX has terrible world building, Apparently the rest of the world is "unexplored"… Despite a great library called Daguerreo being on a part of the Forgotten Continent where you can find Mist Continent characters. The Mist Continent's postal network HQ, Mognet Central, is on a part of the Outer Continent. Ipsen's Castle, that's on the Forgotten Continent, is named after a famous explorer from the Mist Continent, Ipsen, who found it, and there is even a random tourist attraction in Esto Gaza on the Lost Continent ( which comes out of nowhere, after never being mentioned before and apparently people from Lindblum take vacations there), making all of the "unexplored" statements to be complete bull.

                Also, the other continents are mostly empty, with the Lost Continent just having Esto Gaza and the Outer Continent having the dwarf village of Conde Petie (The Black Mage village is a very recent edition) both of which are small. Shouldn't a lot of settlements from the Mist Continent have been made on these other continents by now? Cid even has a map of the entire world of Gaia, which, as he just stated, is "ancient", meaning that the geography of the whole world was known for quite a while, and Alexandria and Lindblum even have harbours and a ton of ships, shouldn't they have sailed to these other continents by now, explored them and build more villages and towns there?

                This is all poorly constructed world building. (Want to look at real masterful world building? See 'One Piece')

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >(Want to look at real masterful world building? See 'One Piece')

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                One Piece. That’s enough to explain everything.

                You’re not autistic, you’re comically stupid.

                You should know that no one with an iota of intelligence would take anything you said seriously.

                It’s very sad you wrote all this and still didn’t understand FFIX.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There is a right way and a wrong way to do character flaws, and Garnet clearly falls into the latter. Flaws have to make sense, be believable and be executed well, which Garnet’s were not. If there is being too perfect, then there is being too flawed, and Garnet is WAY too flawed. Garnet pushed “naïve princess” to insane levels, it’s implausible and really really cliché.

                Also, flaws have to be treated as FLAWS by the narrative, the problem in IX is that it doesn’t treat Garnet as having flaws. The Narrative actually acts
                like she was completely “in the right” we are supposed to be feeling “sympathy” for her, when it did nothing to make her sympathetic. She just comes off as a selfish spoiled brat who care more about her psycho mother (whom she wanted to ESCAPE from in the first place) than she does about Zidane, the man who loved and protected her, and her friends whom she all ungratefully drugged and abandoned. The narrative tries to make her out to be a “victim” in all of this when her actions caused a lot of negative consequences. Not even Zidane gets upset with her, when he really rightfully should, with everything that he did for her, only for her to decide to blow him off the first chance she got.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >girl gives headstrong guy who has just barely gone past showing her that he wants to get in her pants a strong dose of melatonin
                >this is somehow tantamount to a war crime that she should be punished for
                You're deranged

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Did you forget what happened when she came back home to Alexandria to just “talk to mommy”, oh right, her Eidolons are stolen and used as WMD. Making all the destruction that happens her fault because of her dumb plan.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >character gets abused in a way no one knew was possible, especially herself
                >she should be blamed for it
                Again, you are legitimately deranged.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                everyone told her it was a bad idea, she didn't listen to them and drugged them to get their way

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If her mother was so darn pleasant that Garnet could have just talked her out of it, why run away from home in the first place? How much more evidence did she need, combined with what she'd already known about her mom that drove her out of the castle in the first place?

                What drives me nuts is up until that point, Garnet could have had potential to not suck. At the start of the game, she brilliantly works out an escape plan and improvises a way out on a dime. If that was the Garnet we got for the rest of the game instead of the girl that doesn't know what knives are and thinks evil megalomaniacs can be reasoned with by returning without anyone to back her up, I would have loved her. Instead she devolves into a really clichéd naive princess stereotype and just never recovers.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >wants to get out of the country to get a second opinion because she feels something is up
                >wants to confront her mother when she is given that evidence
                The characters in a story are not expected to have the same foresight the audience does, I get this is hard for your autistic brain to understand, but Garnet is literally depicted as a headstrong teenage girl who wants to resolve everything she can by herself, even when she lacks the actually capacity to see things through. This is why they go out of their way to point out that she was already planning on leaving Alexandria in the beginning of the game.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Regarding Garnet, what war was she trying to prevent? The one that had already started? The one she knew her mother was starting and had created monsters to wage? Hell, the war she ran away from home over?

                She ran away from home because she knew her mother was going crazy. It's not such a sudden about-face, Garnet already knew this was going on and was frightened enough that she ran away from home rather than actually talk to her mother (something you'd assume someone that had an otherwise perfect relationship with their mother would do first). Had all of the stuff we'd just witnessed not happened, and Garnet had come to Lindblum without ever fearing her mother or seeing evidence of her mother's atrocities, then the "My mother isn't crazy and I can just talk to her!" reaction would make sense.

                By this point, she knows her mother is beyond reason. She knew that because she didn't even try to reason with her when she had the opportunity. Why would her reaction upon having all of these suspicions confirmed, piled onto all the things she just witnessed, be to suddenly decide her mother is reasonable after all and could simply be talked down?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                She does not come off that way to normal people who can understand a character being torn between different motivations. Like I said before, with your mental situation you are in no position to critique this. I do not have autism and I found the character and the romance compelling. The game was not made for autistic people. I'm sure there exist other media that is a better fit for you.

                What makes you think that IX is even following real life feudal politics? Nothing about Alexandria’s traditions are even stated.

                This is just you desperately trying to salvage your moronic 30 chapter piece. If shagging random people was tradition for princesses and queens then she would just shag Zidane with no hesitation. At this point you have your hate boner for Garnet going since at least 2021 when the first chapter of your manifesto was published, and you are absolutely going out of your way to pretend that Garnet won't romance Zidane because she's just being a b***h instead of the obvious interpretation right in front of you that was repeated like 10 times in this thread.

                >How is the princess/queen shagging random scoundrels a problem
                Who thinks Zidane is a scoundrel other than Steiner?
                >your autism preventing understanding anything that is not literally stated to you
                Sorry, but I don't just accept random internet peoples' headcanon about media, and neither should you or anyone else

                So your assumption here is that Steiner (basically her bodyguard who at first does not allow himself a single independent thought and is incredibly into rules and order) is the only person in the world who has these medieval expectations of how a princess should act? Everyone else in the world is actually progressive except for that one guy?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >your assumption here is that Steiner (basically her bodyguard who at first does not allow himself a single independent thought and is incredibly into rules and order) is the only person in the world who has these medieval expectations of how a princess should act?
                my expectation is if you're going to make a claim that you back it up with evidence
                if you can't then your claim has little to no merit

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You have autism and you can only interact with the game by reading the script on some website with zero actual understanding of the context and setting. We've been over this.

                I have to go sleep so let's quickly summarize your interpretation of FFIX based on this thread:

                -Princesses/Queens (even ones who

                >I won't be digging through the script like you did in your manfiesto to find if Garnet expresses that verbally but she clearly cares about her duties as princess
                I got your back.

                "only think about how to look and act like a queen") are free to romance a random thief they just met with no issues
                -Garnet just won't immediately give it up for Zidane because she's a b***h, no other reason at all
                -even though Garnet is shown to have no autonomy over herself, as she has to escape or be kidnapped to leave Alexandria, Steiner (a fricking nobody) is the only person in the universe who has any sort of expectations of behavior of a princess, everyone else would be completely fine with her doing whatever and romancing a thief. No other character is literally stated to have any expectations whatsoever of a princess, so you don't believe anyone else has any expectations of a princess

                If any of these points is not true, your entire critique fails. Do you truly not see the issue?

                The fact that you keep using autism as an insult discredits yourself, stop being an ableist.

                I would throw you out of a fricking helicopter given the chance, you fricking commie. I want you dead. Don't confuse the fact that I got pulled into some sort of debate with you for acceptance of what you are

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You have autism and you can only interact with the game by reading the script on some website
                I don't even need to do that, I can simply ask for proof of someone's claim and they'll cry endlessly about me being an autist rather than provide it

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                We could go over every single scene in the game, and for each one you would insist to pick some absurd robot interpretation that makes Garnet a b***h for no reason, and then you would reject the obvious human interpretation and demand literal quotes from the script that refute your schizo beliefs, because you are not capable of understanding anything else. The list of absurd assumptions about the setting we would have to accept to entertain your interpretation is here

                You have autism and you can only interact with the game by reading the script on some website with zero actual understanding of the context and setting. We've been over this.

                I have to go sleep so let's quickly summarize your interpretation of FFIX based on this thread:

                -Princesses/Queens (even ones who [...] "only think about how to look and act like a queen") are free to romance a random thief they just met with no issues
                -Garnet just won't immediately give it up for Zidane because she's a b***h, no other reason at all
                -even though Garnet is shown to have no autonomy over herself, as she has to escape or be kidnapped to leave Alexandria, Steiner (a fricking nobody) is the only person in the universe who has any sort of expectations of behavior of a princess, everyone else would be completely fine with her doing whatever and romancing a thief. No other character is literally stated to have any expectations whatsoever of a princess, so you don't believe anyone else has any expectations of a princess

                If any of these points is not true, your entire critique fails. Do you truly not see the issue?

                [...]
                I would throw you out of a fricking helicopter given the chance, you fricking commie. I want you dead. Don't confuse the fact that I got pulled into some sort of debate with you for acceptance of what you are

                and I'm sure it would grow even longer if I wasted even more time here, but there's no need for that.
                Based on your beliefs and twatter activity you do not have a job, I do and this is supposed to be my weekend, so I refuse and I'm going to sleep

                Since you are too lazy to go see some clips on YouTube yourself, here is the video of the whole Cleyra invasion: https://youtu.be/8HUhiTiCGt0?si=zAJ-cj1inof9z-9W

                I have not mentioned Garland or Beatrix at any point in this thread, who do you think you are talking to? I only unfortunately allowed myself to discuss the Garnet-Zidane romance

                >I would throw you out of a fricking helicopter given the chance, you fricking commie. I want you dead. Don't confuse the fact that I got pulled into some sort of debate with you for acceptance of what you are

                Now who is deranged?

                You are a commie, a stalin apologist, a russia supporter and that's just what I got by scrolling your twitter for 5 minutes.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous
              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                yes wow, what a free thinker you are, swallowing propaganda originally intended for 70 IQ mongol rapespawn bydlo in Lower Smegmograd
                It feels good to disagree this hard with someone so wrong about everything. Your interpretation of FFIX seems to be just as good as your interpretation of world history or geopolitics

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous
              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous
              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous
              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >absurd robot interpretation that makes Garnet a b***h for no reason
                I couldn't care less about Garnet as a character, the majority of my posts are about what Beatrix is assumed to have done as opposed to what she's actually shown to have been done.
                >The list of absurd assumptions about the setting we would have to accept to entertain your interpretation is here
                guess you didn't have to go to sleep, huh? Why else would you bring up someone else's post?
                >Based on your beliefs and twatter activity
                I have never made a post on twitter so thanks for verifying that you have no idea who you're talking to

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I just brushed my teeth. You may not realize this but you morons were being shat on by multiple people, like at least 3. I am

                You have autism and you can only interact with the game by reading the script on some website with zero actual understanding of the context and setting. We've been over this.

                I have to go sleep so let's quickly summarize your interpretation of FFIX based on this thread:

                -Princesses/Queens (even ones who [...] "only think about how to look and act like a queen") are free to romance a random thief they just met with no issues
                -Garnet just won't immediately give it up for Zidane because she's a b***h, no other reason at all
                -even though Garnet is shown to have no autonomy over herself, as she has to escape or be kidnapped to leave Alexandria, Steiner (a fricking nobody) is the only person in the universe who has any sort of expectations of behavior of a princess, everyone else would be completely fine with her doing whatever and romancing a thief. No other character is literally stated to have any expectations whatsoever of a princess, so you don't believe anyone else has any expectations of a princess

                If any of these points is not true, your entire critique fails. Do you truly not see the issue?

                [...]
                I would throw you out of a fricking helicopter given the chance, you fricking commie. I want you dead. Don't confuse the fact that I got pulled into some sort of debate with you for acceptance of what you are

                and

                We could go over every single scene in the game, and for each one you would insist to pick some absurd robot interpretation that makes Garnet a b***h for no reason, and then you would reject the obvious human interpretation and demand literal quotes from the script that refute your schizo beliefs, because you are not capable of understanding anything else. The list of absurd assumptions about the setting we would have to accept to entertain your interpretation is here [...] and I'm sure it would grow even longer if I wasted even more time here, but there's no need for that.
                Based on your beliefs and twatter activity you do not have a job, I do and this is supposed to be my weekend, so I refuse and I'm going to sleep

                [...]
                [...]
                I have not mentioned Garland or Beatrix at any point in this thread, who do you think you are talking to? I only unfortunately allowed myself to discuss the Garnet-Zidane romance

                [...]
                You are a commie, a stalin apologist, a russia supporter and that's just what I got by scrolling your twitter for 5 minutes.

                and I have not mentioned Beatrix even once, I don't even know wtf the argument is. If you're not the twitter commie sperg then do not (You) me when I'm talking to him, simple

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I don't even know wtf the argument is
                clearly
                >If you're not the twitter commie sperg then do not (You) me when I'm talking to him
                take your own advice lmao

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous
              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I would throw you out of a fricking helicopter given the chance, you fricking commie. I want you dead. Don't confuse the fact that I got pulled into some sort of debate with you for acceptance of what you are

                Now who is deranged?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Since you are too lazy to go see some clips on YouTube yourself, here is the video of the whole Cleyra invasion: https://youtu.be/8HUhiTiCGt0?si=zAJ-cj1inof9z-9W

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Garnet’s behaviour makes no sense and there is no well done drama resulting from it, Zidane doesn’t even get rightfully pissed at Garnet when he really should for her betraying his trust.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous
              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Or you can’t comprehend contrivances and lazy writing.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The fact that you keep using autism as an insult discredits yourself, stop being an ableist.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It begs the question of why Garnet wanted to go to Lindblum in the first place if not because she thought she couldn't trust her mother anymore or thought she couldn't stop her mother's aggressive actions alone.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What makes you think that IX is even following real life feudal politics? Nothing about Alexandria’s traditions are even stated.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This, why even argue with brainlets who fundamentally misunderstand the setting?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >How is the princess/queen shagging random scoundrels a problem
                Who thinks Zidane is a scoundrel other than Steiner?
                >your autism preventing understanding anything that is not literally stated to you
                Sorry, but I don't just accept random internet peoples' headcanon about media, and neither should you or anyone else

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Keep your dumb ableism out of this. Autism is what allows me to have a good memory and attention to detail and recognizing writing contrivances. You just take everything ridiculously at face value and use tons of mental gymnastics instead of admitting that IX just really could have been better.

                Here is another reviewer for you: https://www-finalfantasywhatever-com.translate.goog/2012/10/final-fantasy-ix-review.html?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_sch=http

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >This literally happens in the game at the start of disc 3 when Garnet is about to be queen and cannot even talk to Zidane in private
                She tells Steiner she wants to speak to Zidane and Steiner says they live in different worlds, not her. Then she asks Beatrix and Beatrix says now is not a good time. Literally the only person thinking like that is STEINER. Stop applying other people's dialog to Garnet. Also read up on the game's script before making wrong claims about it.
                http://www.ffwa.eu/ff9/script.php?page=main

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I won't be digging through the script like you did in your manfiesto to find if Garnet expresses that verbally but she clearly cares about her duties as princess
                I got your back.

                That whole scene at the beginning of Disk 3 was forced drama:

                Dagger "Beatrix..." "I'd like to see Zidane... Please?"

                Beatrix "Now may not be a good time."

                Dagger "Even you agree with Steiner."

                Beatrix "Your Highness..."

                Dagger "I know... It's okay."

                Seriously?! You are the queen now! What is stopping you from ordering Zidane to be allowed into the Castle and to be with him?!

                Zidane "Dagger..." "Are you all cozy on your throne already!?" "No!" "No, no, no!" "I can't start my day without Dagger!" "Her smile!" "Her voice!" "Her voice is like a beautiful song..." "And her song makes me soar high into the sky!" "But now..."

                Why don't you just go to her then?! Seriously, what happened in-between Disk 2 and 3 and in-between the party leaving the Outer Continent on Brahne's ship and getting back to Alexandria that caused this feigned drama?

                Also, where was this reaction when Dagger drugged and abandoned you back in Disk 1 Lindblum up until Disk 2 Alexandria when you should have rightfully been upset? That would have made more sense then.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Seriously?! You are the queen now! What is stopping you from ordering Zidane to be allowed into the Castle and to be with him?!
                Her sense of duty to her people to be focusing on her coronation and running her country rather than fricking a commoner.
                >Why don't you just go to her then?!
                He understands that she's going to be a queen and has duties to fulfill. He's a mature person torn between what he believes to be right and what he actually wants to do (you may notice this is a common theme in the game).
                >Also, where was this reaction when Dagger drugged and abandoned you back in Disk 1 Lindblum up until Disk 2 Alexandria when you should have rightfully been upset?
                You mean when he had only known for for a few days and had other concerns on his plate like helping his friends Freya and Vivi?

                God damn you are beyond stupid.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No, I am saying that it is all unrealistic, stupid and forced drama. Zidane shouldn’t give a crap about those backwards rules, and neither should Garnet. It doesn’t even go anywhere since Alexandria gets blow up later and Garnet start all that mute wangst bullshit, making all of that drama before the coronation completely pointless. It’s just another example of why the romance sucks so much.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Zidane shouldn’t give a crap about those backwards rules, and neither should Garnet.
                Why shouldn't they? Because you're a subversive communist moron and you wouldn't care about them? Garnet is extremely devoted to her people and Zidane understands that, so he doesn't think he has a right to be a selfish b***h like you and get in her way and try to make her life about him.
                >It doesn’t even go anywhere since Alexandria gets blow up later and Garnet start all that mute wangst bullshit, making all of that drama before the coronation completely pointless.
                Wrong, moron. Garnet and Zidane both come to terms with what they actually want when he shows up to save her during Bahamut and Alexander's duel.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                None of that makes the love story any better, the romance needed more focus and charm and it did not deliver, it was good enough and need to be fixed in a remake.

                I can name tons of anime with better romances than IX:

                Strike the Blood
                Valkyrie Drive Mermaid
                rurouni kenshin
                Rosario+Vampire
                Shinmai Maou no Testament
                D-Frag
                FFVII, FFVIII, FFX, FFXIII
                Zelda Link
                Persona 3,4 and 5
                Magen-Ki
                etc.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >it's stupid and forced drama when the princess who deeply cares about her duty as future queen doesn't give reward blowjobs to the scoundrel thief she just met 2 days ago
                The plot would suck SO FRICKING BAD if you were in charge

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >and she should be gushing every time they interact
              That would at least give her an actual personality and be an endearing character, instead of the boring and bland character that the game actually gave us that was ridiculously serious and mopey (and people think that Cloud and Squall are the “overly emo” ones)

              I could name tons of female characters, not just from the FF series, but tons of anime that all have way more personality and charm than Garnet does.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I got to see bahamut. So that was cool.

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The is going to be censored on the FF9 remake we are getting next year

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What is the picture referencing?

  23. 3 weeks ago
    aceman
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >My wife participated in a genocide.

      • 3 weeks ago
        aceman

        Based

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        How would you react too your wife coming home broken from the tragedy of what she had to do?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Listen intently as she would count the whole the horrible things she did to them.
          >Get boner

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Go outside.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I would be seeting with envy. I wanted to brutalize those the furscum too!?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Based

      Imagine being the commander of those leotard soldiers.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You just know that you can hear a slight snapping sound every minute in the streets of Alexandira.

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Garnet has a share of blame in that too for her dumb and selfish actions: 1) Runs away from home because she's afraid her mother is going crazy and trying to start a war

    2) Risks the lives of many, many people and causes numerous deaths along her flight from the castle (yes, I count all those Black Mages on the cargo airship as deaths)

    3) Upon arrival in Lindblum suddenly proclaims that she refuses to believe her mother is evil and trying to take over the world, despite proof of her unprovoked attack on Burmecia, the slaughter of Black Mages from the Black Waltzes that were clearly sent by her, and the attempts to kill the “kidnappers”.

    4) Runs all the way home because apparently she wanted to “just talk to her mom” and DRUGS AND ABANDONS ZIDANE: the guy who loved her. Thus rendering the whole point of the kidnapping and entire beginning of the game completely pointless. Not to mention ruining the love story with her and Zidane that the game tries to hype up so much.

    5) Through her stupidity, she gets captured and tortured. Millions of people die from the results of her entirely preventable course of action because she basically handed over her Eidolons to her mother on a silver platter, and just to rub salt in the wound, she never gets called and chewed out on any of this, especially not by Zidane who should very rightfully be furious and upset with her, after all that he did for her, only for her to blow him off.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      t. Alexandrian captain

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Alexandria captains didn’t make Garnet completely forget the whole reason of wanting to escape from home with Zidane in the first place and then arbitrarily decide to go back to the place that she just escaped from.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >woman does moronic shit
      How did FF9 get writing a female character so right?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Misogyny is not a valid argument.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah it is.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Sounds like something a moronic woman would say. Go back.

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >slaughtered hundreds of innocent Burmecians
    in and of itself a worthy cause

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Will FF9 remake have the option to do this?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Is Beatrix making her do this

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Probably but knowing Garnet, she'd have want to do it anyways.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That would at least give Garnet more of a personality and charm than she had in the original game.

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    FF9 is obviously a typical japanese "write first, think later" story.
    When you only live in the moment, and not think about the past and future, then you will understand why FF9 is the way it is.
    If you have played FF9 before, think back about the game, you will find yourself remembering plenty of unique moments, like the play where you fight blank, or when you fight plant brain, or when you run away from the forest turning into stones, or when vivi trying to sneak in to watch the play, or when you first reach the treno and got pickpocket, or when you saw a big insect underground as transportation, or when zidane touched dagger's butt, or when you reach Dali and found everybody acting weird, and ended up finding out noises coming from underground, etc etc.

    That's also what make FF9 so special and memorable for most fans, because of all those small unique scenes/moments like these.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What are other games with this kind of sovl? I like ff 7, 10, 8 (kinda) but they never hit like 9 does

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What other games have shit writing with zero continuity or cohesion?
        Take your pick of anything from Japan

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That sums up IX in a nutshell.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Try another square soft game, threads of fate, or dewprism in japanese.
        It's full of souls and definitely worth a play.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What are other games with this kind of sovl? I like ff 7, 10, 8 (kinda) but they never hit like 9 does

      Try another square soft game, threads of fate, or dewprism in japanese.
      It's full of souls and definitely worth a play.

      Stop wanking IX.

      Final Fantasy IX is far from perfect. It's story is over cluttered and suffers from astoundingly poor pacing, it has an overabundance of random battles and load times, the Trance system is yet another failed attempt at a Limit Break mechanic that isn't somehow broken, it has antagonists with personalities and motives as two-dimensional as the NES FF antagonists, Zemus, Exdeath and Kefka, yet are exposed and hyped up to the degree of Sephiroth (the only exception to this is IX's Garland), and it thrusts Quina, Brahne and Kuja upon the players.

      The story is a mess, pure and simple. But so were most early Final Fantasy games' plots during the NES and SNES, and we didn't hold it against them. Why judge IX's so severely, then? The answer is because this is after FFVII, which was very revolutionary and we're now at the point where an RPG's story is about as equally important as it's gameplay when determining it's overall quality. The genie's out of the bottle now, and there's no stuffing it back in. When a game has hundreds of pages' worth of dialogue and enough minutes of FMVs to fill a half-hour television slot, the narrative it spins has to be equally engrossing as the time a player spends running around and slaying monsters, or else it becomes a hindrance. In a game like Final Fantasy, the story is the payoff the player earns for slogging through all those dungeons and fighting all those random battles, and if the story with which he or she is rewarded isn't up to snuff, then the game does not succeed. IX's story really could have been better, and the entire experience suffers for it.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Final Fantasy IX is often tried to be justified by saying that it's a "cute children's story", as if that should brush aside any claims against it. This is not a children's fairy tale, by the way, already according to the age rating. This is Final Fantasy and the Finals are aimed at teenagers and young adults. (Though the blind praise could just be a really loud vocal minority. IX was one of the least selling post-VII games) It is full of empty and useless pathos replicas inserted there for the sake of pathos, and a good half of the FMVs are there only to be joyfully jerked off (I'm sure there are those who claim that IX is the "best" already because of the fact that there are summons in the FMVs), and the relevance of this in the narrative and common sense close their eyes.

        Even if we consider it from the standpoint of a fairytale, then it fails here too. Kuja is not a fairytale character at all, and Garland destroys the illusion of the deliberate simplicity of the local plot, winding up new turns of an inexplicable and indistinct whirlwind of facts over and over again, which does not add up to anything integral.(Hello, FFI) All this stuff about Gaia and Terra does not fit into the fairytale-ness that could be referred to throughout the first two disks. And needless to say, the game’s attempt to look smart has completely failed.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          In general, Final Fantasy IX is a very stupid game. In everything. Attempts to intricate the plot here are powerless and miserable, the drama is feigned, the characters are empty. Oh yes, many still like to say that IX is a "return to the origins" of the series. It couldn't be farther from the truth. Yes, IX is full of references to the previous parts. Mostly so fat that afterwards you need to wash your hands of it. Wow, Gulug volcano with the remixed music, what a reference. And Garland and Sarah (Garnet) are FFI characters, did you know? Nothing that they have other roles at all? Ramuh gives the heroes a test, to listen to the retelling of Joseph's story from FFII. Just a retelling without any relevance to what is happening here. And at the end of FFIII and FFIV, all the characters "resurrected" to beat the last boss that came right out of nowhere, what a freaking move, let's do it again. And what, this is called a "return to the roots" ? A bunch of cheap Easter Eggs? Really?

          Another factor is lack of effort on Square's part. Apparently, Final Fantasy IX wasn't intended to be a part of the numbered main Final Fantasy titles. It was originally developed to be a spin-off, like Tactics or Crystal Chronicles, and therefore not as high-priority in terms of budget or development time.

          And then there is the love story, I am a big sucker for big romanced focused stories with a lot of charm and wholesomeness… and some lewdness. (I do read and watch a bunch of Ecchi Romance manga/anime) But IX's love story barely had any of that, and is really overhyped (to where even Vivi "stopping" took a back seat to it in the game's ending), with even the TV commercials and ads back then putting the most emphasis on Zidane and Garnet and the love song Melodies of Life playing in them. It was not deep and convincing.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What are other games with this kind of sovl? I like ff 7, 10, 8 (kinda) but they never hit like 9 does

      That's basically what Xenogears did too and any time the writer was asked about some glaring lore inconsistencies he always replied "that's not what the story was about" since he cared more about the emotional stuff than the worldbuilding

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        So the writers of both were hacks.

        The script in this game reeks of childish naivety, as if Sakaguchi was psychologically stuck at the age of 13 with youthful maximalism, trying to write some kind of “epic fantasy”, there is no trace of depth in the plot, the characters are cringey and faceless.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >there is no trace of depth in the plot
          yeah just like every other videogame ever written, I'm sure you have a sterling example in mind to disprove this statement though

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          FFVII, Metal Gear, Bioshock and basically any other game with anti-capitalist, pro-socialist commentary.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Meant for

            >there is no trace of depth in the plot
            yeah just like every other videogame ever written, I'm sure you have a sterling example in mind to disprove this statement though

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    FFVIII outsold IX
    FFVIII remaster outsold IX remaster too

    If any game is getting remade after VII (not likely) then it will be VIII.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      8 needs a remake the most so we can get a good version of that game.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        At least time jannies would actually make SENSE in 8's world

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I wouldn’t mind time jannies in IX’s remake, just to show how stupid Garnet was and they “fight against the fate” of that bullshit happening and Zidane and Garnet staying by each others sides.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >4 is the 4th most sold FF franchise
      Man I frickin Love Rydia.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      At the very least VIII Remake is coming out after the IX Remake.

      He had a unique angel of death transformation since the evil forest, moron. All his dyne skills are Terran magic.

      Where are his bad ass black Angel wings then? He couldn’t even defeat a normal human like Beatrix despite having trance.

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    https://arch.b4k.co/v/search/image/Lt1yjpHfcMatlhfmD2cP9w/

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Thread's over, guys.
    Unless you're interested in flinging shit with a literal moron.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Post rats and rat love

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      is this normal for ff9 threads? I googled a paragraph from the latest wall of text and it showed a reddit post from 2 years ago, this homie is at it for years

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Because IX is a ridiculously overhyped game.

        All flash, no substance. Designed to appeal to the most shallow, lowest common denominator.

        it is the most overrated game I have ever sat through. I know what Final Fantasy was before the PS1 gen. So to see people lap up something that plays nothing like them, has a story nothing like them, has an art style nothing like them, and has characters nothing like them, and contains Garnet who is by far the most horribly written character in the series and I have to keep pandering to her stupid cliche naive princess stereotype for the 1000th time...and this is a "brilliant throwback" simply because it has castles and airships in it? That's ALL it takes to have a "nostalgic love letter?" I mean, for the love of Torgo, the tagline was literally "The crystal comes back" and there's no freaking crystals in 99% of the game. They can't even get THAT right. Not that it's even close to my biggest beef with the game, just...really funny that even the most simplistic nostalgic promise of the game was an outright lie.

        Seriously, FF9 puts in castles and airships and apparently that's all it takes for people to worship it as the second coming.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >the tagline was literally "The crystal comes back" and there's no freaking crystals in 99% of the game.
          [EXTREMELY LOUD INCORRECT BUZZER]

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You are just grasping at straws.

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    FFUARK j-just how STRONG ARE THEY?

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Justified, as burmecians shouldn't be allowed to exist.

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why are Beatrixgay so brain damage? The second people pointed out her flaw, they immediately seething.

  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >mfw sounded the alarm for the Knights of Pluto to assemble

    Where the FRICK ARE MY KNIGHTS?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why did Steiner run a group dedicated to the god of death again?

  35. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >mfw I destroyed the thread by recognizing the twitter commie
    I just wanted to give context to his moronic manifesto

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It’s a script commentary, not a “manifesto”. I am giving context to my exact arguments.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Whatever you call it. I'm not going to read any more than the first 3 chapters but like I wanted to say in

        I'm not gonna debate a schizo who wrote a ~30 chapter manifesto for a game he hates. The gist of the first 3 chapters seemed to be:
        1. you want all internal conflict completely removed from all characters so they never act in a way that is not 100% optimal
        2. the core part of the plot where Zidane is a low class thug and Garnet is a princess (and they are both aware of this and intentionally avoid starting a doomed romance that cannot continue beyond the kidnapping, Zidane does the fake uncaring womanizer act, Garnet pretends to believe the act) should be removed and she should be gushing every time they interact
        This is moronic and does not warrant any further arguments

        [...]
        you specifically defended/praised Stalin on twitter in recent posts when I looked over your account

        the Zidane-Garnet romance that bothers you so much is compelling specifically because the characters are aware how unlikely a happy ending is given their station in life and act accordingly. It's good that it takes a long time for them to start going after it and the cringe womanizer front Zidane puts up to not end up heartbroken is relatable as someone who was also once a teen chasing grills

        I write this as someone who posseses a soul, i.e. not a commie. I understand your experience may differ a lot.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >the characters are aware how unlikely a happy ending is given their station in life and act accordingly
          where in the game does Garnet express this idea

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Nowhere, the other poster:

            Whatever you call it. I'm not going to read any more than the first 3 chapters but like I wanted to say in [...] the Zidane-Garnet romance that bothers you so much is compelling specifically because the characters are aware how unlikely a happy ending is given their station in life and act accordingly. It's good that it takes a long time for them to start going after it and the cringe womanizer front Zidane puts up to not end up heartbroken is relatable as someone who was also once a teen chasing grills

            I write this as someone who posseses a soul, i.e. not a commie. I understand your experience may differ a lot.

            Is just spouting their headcanon interpretation.

  36. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    zidane fricks dagger constantly throughout the whole game that they're together, and all that dick is what gives her strength to become a true warrior

  37. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >ITT

  38. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >country that goes out genociding people and starting wars
    >blonde hair and blue eyes
    I've had enough of this pozzed shit and forced politics in my vidya, frick this game

  39. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    People who say 9 is "kiddy" for a Final Fantasy game have never played it.

    Seriously the death toll iin 9 alone dwarfs 7 and 8 combined and it's not even close.

  40. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    JUST LIKE THE US ARMY

  41. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >anti IXgay is some unabashed tumblr-tier schizo who doesn't understand anything about impactful storytelling
    Not surprised honestly, but you've got a long way to go to catch up to shippers or even just some of the demake defenders

  42. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      god DAMN

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >TFW no soldier GF to tease and mock your knightly skills

  43. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is Trials of Mana censored? I'll buy it right now if no

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Anyone?

  44. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    One thing I'll give IX is that I really liked the summon animations
    Too bad they were all too weak to ever use over normal magic or attacks, except maybe Ark

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Too bad they were all too weak to ever use over normal magic or attacks, except maybe Ark
      It may or may not be common knowledge, but all those extra gemstones you can get increase the power of the summons they belong to, so for example, getting 99 Peridots makes Ramuh hit hard as frick. Or stacking Garnets makes Bahamut stronger, etc. But yeah, Vivi is king in magic damage.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >except maybe Ark
      Odin is really good once you complete the sidequest in Ipsen

  45. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Zidane is a non character that is in the story for the ride until he turn full emo in his homeworld.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >he missed the whole point of the scene about Colin and Ipsen

  46. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    alexandriapilled and slaughtermaxxing

  47. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    FF knows a thing about green leotards

  48. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    IX honestly has the weakest story. And it lacks the symbolism of all the rest design wise. There is more depth to III as a story than IX and I am saying this unironically.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Agreed
      IX not only has a garbage story, but really no interesting lore or setting to supplement it the way other FFs do

  49. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wow you guys are still going huh

  50. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    game discussion is locked behind the release of FFVIII remake trilogy
    >please wait a while before making a post

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >FFVIII remake trilogy
      >trilogy
      Please, don't ruin my favourite FF and one of my favourite games ever.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >reeeee stop trying to fix and improve a flawed game!

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Every game is flawed, by there are ways of improving them without cutting them into slices and releasing them over a span of 10 years with 20% of the original content missing.

  51. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >worthless war that achieved nothing
    It killed a lot worthless rats tho

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ow the edge.

  52. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Bros
    My ex wore a leotard for me sometimes

  53. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It was an act of mercy, imagine living as a Burmecian

  54. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Juuuust saiying, the Burmecians had 90% of the world's gil before the end of disk one

  55. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I want to kiss Freya so much bros

  56. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >unironic tankies itt
    What the frick

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Tankie is a dumb buzzword.

  57. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    9 is a nice game with sovl. Ending is in the top 10 for all FFs. Yes it involves love. Duh.

    Not gonna lie, playing it was a drag though.

  58. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    After skimming this thread I've realised the commie is moronic

  59. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    guys am I a master at seeing the smaller details? how come I haven't seen anyone notice the ankh motif in necron's design?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ah Christ is the final fight of FFIX just a lame dream where you fight death to wake up or something?

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