The best combat system Square has ever made and it's not turn-based. How did that happen?
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The best combat system Square has ever made and it's not turn-based. How did that happen?
The best combat system Square has ever made and it's not turn-based. How did that happen?
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Reminder that even journalists called out KH2 for being braindead mash X to win
>Journalists are moronic
woah
It is if you play on anything below critical mode but why would you do yhat?
it is even if you're playing on critical until you get to the data battles
Says a lot when even morons can get through KH2 without any skill
>Vanilla KH2 has no reason to not just mash x and triangle with occasional cure when you need it
This is FM on critical as well outside of the post game
syntax error
>which will punish you for spamming X/Reaction commands.
nope
>is even if you're playing on critical until you get to the data battles
Nah a first time player on critical mode will absolutely get destroyed if they try mashing X. Youre probably some homosexual tryhard whos done multiple playthroughs of KH2.
>Nah a first time player on critical mode will absolutely get destroyed if they try mashing X
why do you say that? You have less health and take more damage but the principle of the combat stays the same; mash x and use cure/items when low on health. The AI doesn't change and the game, this isn't even considering using overpowered abilities (reflect/magnet/limit forms). The game is even easier if you don't to do a level 1 run since you get 2 get out of jail free cards (second chance/once more)
I disagree, the first 1/3 of KH2 is harder on proud than it is on crit due to dealing less damage and having a more limited ability pool starting off. And what I mean by that is that it's still braindead
>mash x
Nope.
>reflect/magnet/limit forms
None of which is overpowered.
>The game is even easier
Post a video of you mashing X through KH2 Crit.
There is not a single legitimate criticism against KH2. Casual idiots can only bring up the same (factually incorrect) things, and then get BTFO. Happens everytime.
>None of which is overpowered.
one of the best kh2 players in the world agrees with me
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Kh2 gays seethe when you get through a data battle abusing reflect, let alone the myriad of other bullshit you can do
>appeal to (false) authority
See? There is not a single legitimate criticism against KH2
video explains why they're busted, you're in denial
No, your appeal to (false) authority is factually wrong.
>relfect doesn't do too much damage for almost no mana and magnet doesn't mass rape non-bosses because...because they just don't OK!!!!! STOP MAKING FUN OF MY CHILDHOOD GAME!
>Reflect
>Magnet
Useful abilities. What's next, casual idiot?
My Criticism is that a game should be enjoyed at any level. Would you still be talking about this if proud continued to be the highest difficulty level, even with the data bosses?
>is that a game should be enjoyed at any level.
Oh, so KH2.
>Post a video of you mashing X through KH2 Crit.
well it's square but
nah that is X, but there is a version of spamming square as well to beat lingering will
you're right I got my tactics mixed up
Here's some more idiocy to make up for it
wtf is this real?
Negative combo is a hell of a drug. KH2's end content is one big game of not triggering boss "frick you" attacks leading to them getting raped by long as frick combo strings
I don't know the reasoning behind it but it's a but that lets you one-cycle most of the end-game bosses https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eg9Tls3yoQc
>square
Casuals idiots are truly the gift that keeps on giving. Make me laugh at your stupidity more.
>purposefully fricks up the guard to try and make a point
lol
>useful
and game breaking
>game breaking
Really. Surely you could post yourself beating Port Royal mob fights, Grim Reaper 1, Grim Reaper 2, AS Zexion, AS Vexen, Data Xigbar, Data Roxas, Lingering Will, Groundshaker Hades, Jafar, Hostile Program, 1k Heartless, Xigbar, Cups, TR Hot Rods, PotC medallion fight, GR2, CoR, Sephy, Groundshaker, Solar Sailor, Xemnas 1, Xemnas 2, Data Saix, Data Vexen, Data Zexion, etc with just Reflect then.
>take several hours out of your day to prove something widely accepted
>can't do it
Concession accepted. Many more where that came from.
no one's going to waste their time doing that autist, KH2 would be better if more than 1% of enemies could actually do something against it or if reflect didn't do gigarape damage
>no one's going to waste their time
So you can't do it. The concessions keep coming.
He could do your insanely autistic task, come back to post them, and you would STILL be coping.
What is even the point?
>He could
Could? Where's the video.
>insanely autistic task
Oh, so you admit it's not broken then. That was easy.
I've already posted one of the best KH2 players in the world agreeing with me and provided examples ITT. I could go through the entire game using just reflect and magnet, you would still deny the reality in your face. Does pic related give you nightmare in your sleep?
>I've already posted one
Your appeal to (false) authority is factually wrong.
>X is broken
Incorrect.
No way you just typed all that / looked that shit up for this internet fight hahahahahaha
why are KH fans like this?
>why are KH2Chads the most knowledgeable about action games
I wonder.
What error? You're admitting those games are shit. Why do you hate video games?
>This is FM on critical as well outside of the post game
You're all shit. First visit beast's castle is already a significant step up in difficulty on crit and if you spam x the door fight/candelier fight you will die. Frick off with your garbage
Vanilla KH2 has no reason to not just mash x and triangle with occasional cure when you need it. KH2FM's Critical Mode subsides this issue and makes it clear you have to actually master the combat to beat its challenges. Hell, this can be easily seen with the Roxas fight, who is a cutscene in vanilla, but can be a complete roadblock to anyone that tries to fight him via the usual mash fest.
So DMC, NG, Souls, MH, GH, Tales, GoW, Zelda, etc are shit games now?
Well the journalists weren't wrong. Vanilla KH2 isn't very challenging. You can automatically assume than when someone says best square combat system in relation to KH2 they're talking about the Final Mix version, which will punish you for spamming X/Reaction commands.
>disney shit for 5 year olds
nah
I replayed this game (alongside every KH game) during COVID on Critical mode, and it has held up so fricking amazingly well. Might be my favorite video game of all time. I remember importing the Japanese game right when it released, all the mystery and anticipation. I loved playing as Roxas at the beginning and piecing together everything that was going on - it's so bold of them to blueball their audience like that. On my replay, I felt more deeply for Roxas', who didn't get to real person and never even got to live a real life. And the battle with him on Critical Mode is insanely difficult, which just adds so much flavor.
Almost everything about this game is perfection. The soundtrack, the Drive forms, the cutscenes, and timeless visual style. I don't give a frick I simp hard for this game unironic 1000/10. Tetsuya is such a hack but I can't find it in my heart to really ever hate him because he somehow made this masterpiece.
You need to go play MGS3 on extreme, and DMC3 on DMD if you enjoyed the KH2:FM crit experience. Would also suggest master ninja for the Gaiden 1&2. If you want a serious challenge from the Gaiden games play Razor's Edge it's WAAAAAY harder than the first two games, and on MN nearly impossible to beat on later levels unless you get gud
>MGS3 on extreme
did you mean 2? 3's AI was made more moronic, they don't even have anti-tranq measures like 2
>they don't even have anti-tranq measures
wait what are you talking about? they have anti-tranq measures in 2?!
It's so much god damn fun though. Nevan is probably the most OP weapon in the game, and once you learn how to use it you can get an SSS every time.
>tfw playing riffs on Nevan, and being able to string them in a coherent manner
It's so god damn soulful that game.
>they have anti-tranq measures in 2?!
if you tranq an entire room, the swat team barges in, looks everywhere while waking up the enemies. If you get spotted your motherfricking live ends
Holy shit that is so fricking cool what the frick. I never tranq'd entire rooms, and would usually go for a single guy, and gtfo of a room before anyone noticed the sleeping guard, or spotted me.
yeah it's pretty tight. I'm sad 3-5 don't have anything like it, you can tranq to your hearts content with ammo being the only concern
V kinda does what you're talking about, but not exactly. Instead of sending teams to deal with teams that have been downed, V will have its enemies adapt. They'll start wearing helmets if you frequently headshot which means you have to switch to shooting guards in the ass. They also start wearing ballistic protection if you go lethal too often. I am still unbelievably saddened that V was never truly finished, and realized.
DMc3 on DMD yellow orb mode is still probably the hardest game I’ve ever completed. I was autistic enough to do it in high school but no fricking way I’d try it now Kek.
Add Ys: The Oath in Felghana's nightmare mode to this list. I recommended it to my KH2FM shill friend and he got filtered by the third boss.
>Ys
>on the same tier as DMC3 and KH2
have a nice day.
Most of the YS games on the hardest difficulties are significantly harder than KH2FM. Not always for the best reasons, mind you
None of them are.
I have a friend who's done level 1 critical runs repeatedly with extra restrictions and speedruns and he couldn't beat the third dungeon of Felghana, so clearly they are.
>I have a friend
Why would someone care about a moron? Ys games are poorly designed garbage made for casuals idiots btw, Falcom themselves admit it. They aren't real action games and won't ever be.
Filtered
>Simon Says-like
>filtering anyone
Chuckled.
Yeah the party games after Seven just crank the frick out of the damage to compensate for healing items which was the same issue they had in Ys VI that Felghana and Origin fixed unfortunately. It's not as bad in VIII or IX but really bad in Celceta which feels like it was balanced around slapping healing upgrades on all your gear.
You should give NEO:TWEWY a shot, it has a lot of the same design sensibilities as KH2 in terms of tool synergy, juggles, revenge values, and player options, to say nothing of the stellar aesthetics and music.
it hurts to know that the devs themselves have no idea why this game is so good
Should I emulate or buy Remix?
Just pirate the remix? It is technically better than emulating with 60 fps patch which breaks a lot of timers in the game.
>tfw still getting filtered by the data org xiii fights
>my autism makes me unable to move on from the game until i beat all of the bosses
Bros...
Look up videos on how to beat them
>forever butthurt I didn't get to play this when it was new
The combat was dogshit in vanilla though, way too easy even on proud mode.
lmao i still 100000% sure it was a fluke that they made that masterpiece of a game
>but muh critical mode
Who gives a frick? KH3 did the exact same thing
kh2 is overrated, you gays act like it's perfect when you need to do self imposed challenges to actually see any accidental depth. you're the melee fans of action rpgs praising wavedashing while every subsequent entry proves it was a fluke.
cope kh3 Simp no one likes it
yeah this
>heh...kh2fm is the epitome of skill
>NO DON'T USE REFLECT
>NO DON'T MAGNEGA ENEMY WAVES AND INSTAWIN
>NO YOU HAVE TO DO A LEVEL 1 RUN
>NO DON'T DO FINAL FORM FIRAGA LOOPS
>DON'T EXPLOIT NEGATIVE COMBO TO CIRCUMVENT DESPERATION MOVES EVEN THOUGH THE META REVOLVES AROUND MANIPULATING RVs
>NO STOP DOING FLARE
No, anon, youre manipulating revenge values WRONG. Only my way is the real and true way to manipulate revenge values. Join me as we use solo trinity limit to cancel combo finishers and then intentionally miss the last input of ars arcanum.
>KH2 has god-tier mechanics and everything is useful
Glad you can agree.
>FLOOOOOOOOK >FLOOOOOOOOOOOOOK
They literally busted their asses with KH1 andthen just kept the good stuff, removed the bad stuff and listened to player feed back for the sequel
>kept the good stuff
yeah I sure did love the shit level design FFXIII hallways and terrible story that ruined the series's plot
The terrible story actually started in chain of memories and the level design has always been consistent and nowhere near ff13 or ffx hallways. I now remind you of the level design of agrabah and Alice in wonderland.
CoM was excusable back when we thought it was an inconsequential side game
>level design has always been consistent and nowhere near ff13 or ffx hallways
level design clearly took a hit after 1 and you're out of your mind if you think BBS's dogshit isn't even worse
Kh1 had an actual semblance of world interaction/exploration, 2 doesn't
When did KH1 have environments play a factor into combat (outside of some vertical factors) with a wide variety mission objectives that have different methods in battle?
>world interaction/exploration,
You mean Simon Says interactions which pale in comparison to actual levels for combat.
>play a factor into combat
when did I say it was concerning combat? kh1 has good gameplay elements besides the combat
>it was concerning combat
In other words, KH2 has better level design than 1. Glad you can agree.
>level design should only concern combat, not exploration, pacing, environmental puzzles, or npc interactions in an RPG
your brain on KH2 dicksucking
>level design should only concern combat
Correct. Casual idiots have zero say in action game design philosophy.
I never understood the saix fight. What the frick was up with that hammer
you're literally delusional if you think BBS's level design is worse than KH2's
You know it may not actually be as bad but the fact that you have to go through the awful worlds 3 times makes it seem like they are
>You know it may not actually be as bad
gee, you THINK?
>but the fact that you have to go through the awful worlds 3 times makes it seem like they are
except the worlds can vary from character to character, e.g. playing enchanted dominion as ventus gets you a very different experience from playing the same world as aqua
at this point i'm starting to think that you're baiting
Dude BBS's level design is shit regardless of whether it's worse than 2's or not, The minute differences don't mean anything among the three playthroughs, the only big difference are story beats and bosses. The story is awful in BBS and the combat is equally LOL anyway
Idk if you just didn't actually play BBS, but the game does an amazing job at making each world visit feel unique and from a different perspective.
Yknow what game doesn't do world revisits well? Kh2
I played it on Critical on 2.5HD, the game was an insane slog and a big factor for that was the world revists
>Yknow what game doesn't do world revisits well? Kh2
yeah revists sucked wieners in 2 as well. Honestly KH1 was lightning in a bottle, even if it has combat elements that are inferior, it does so many other things so much better than every other KH
>The terrible story actually started in chain of memories
It really didn't. CoM's weirdness is at least contained within itself and only requiring knowledge of KH1. But KH2's story basically requires you to play 358/2 and BBS (and CoM because you probably skipped it because you have ADD)
It required you to play two ges that weren't out yet? How did kh2 reach such critical accla if Roxas had yet to have his own game and aqua wasn't a thing
>FFXIII hallways
Why are casuals against gameplay so much?
you mean like the platforming in 1 that 2 gays are so against? combat isn't the only gameplay
>platforming in 1
That's also in II.
>combat isn't the only gameplay
Is the entire point of an action game.
How come later souls games got hate for having health sponge bosses but KH franchise gets away with it
You HAVE to put up with the health sponge, 2 shotting, bosses in souls games
what do you mean later souls games? dark souls 3 has paper bosses with 0 hp
Gaping dragon
that's not a later souls game, it also doesn't have that much health
I don't really have time to get into a long argument so just be honest. It's already been shown that Elden Ring enemies have large health pools, 1-2 shot attacks at high vigor, AOEs that you have to roll perfectly but in a certain direction to dodge, and really long unpunishable combos that change up sometimes. Artificial difficulty. Honestly KH1s four superbosses need more intellect in order to beat than alot of later souls games
ER has the issue of being an open world game so it depends on when you tackle shit. That's not to say the boss design isn't flawed though, a handful of bosses were shockingly amateurish from a fromsoft title; I'm convinced malenia was put in the game as a joke
Because neither franchise has HP sponge bosses.
half of the data fights have no significant behavior changes and are literally just 'do it again but bigger health bar and more rage phases'. Xigbar in particular is living hell to attempt a non-cheese strat against.
All the Data fights get new attacks and AI patterns.
Have you played KH? It has this thing called ‘combos’. A health bar in kh2 is the equivalent of an r2 in souls
It’s mechanically strong but the revenge value is too exploitable and the game itself isn’t challening enough. It’s much more press Triangle to win than X. Nomura should just reuse it for IV and design the game around it, but for some reason he has to change the core gameplay with every title
I'm reminded I've yet to do a replay of 1 and 2 after all these years.
Might do that after ff16.
lol it's just a button mashing kiddie game bro
KH2 is both hyper casual, and yet it's still moronic for needing a whole second command list.
Pretty much every complaint about KH3 is present in KH2.
If it weren't for nostalgia, KH1 would universally be the favorite.
KH3 is complete garbage.
Yeah so is KH2. What about it old man?
Really, when did KH2 have a broken Guard?
KH2 and KH3 both have combat that is both bloated and for babies, yes.
>that is both bloated and for babies,
Really, so can you answer why Guard is broken in KH3 and not 2?
They are both piss easy singleplayer games. It does not matter in the slightest bit if something is "broken".
>are both piss easy singleplayer games
Okay, then why do you refuse to answer the question and can't explain why KH3's Guard is broken and KH2. You do understand the games in question, correct?
because they programmed it that way??????????
>they made it shit on purpose
Literally Osaka in a nutshell.
Are you really trying to call out KH3 for something being broken while trying to praise KH2 at the same time? KH2 is the second most broken game in the series after BBS's invincibility dodges/surges
>call out KH3 for something being broken
Because it is.
>praise KH2 at the same time?
Now you casuals idiots are pretending to know action game balance? This is too funny.
>KH2 is the second most broken game in the series
Really, so then when why does KH3 Guard fail 50% of the time.
I'm not defending 3 m80, I'm calling out your hypocrisy. A guard being faulty is nowhere near close to the moronation KH2's mechanics are capable of
>I'm not defending 3
Oh no, you will once this ball starts rolling.
>A guard being faulty
Oh, so KH3 is broken. Which doesn't apply to KH2. Glad you could confess the truth.
>doesn't apply to KH2
>casual idiot has no argument
Many such cases.
argument against what? You didn't bring up any points
>argument against what
Are you such an ESLmoron you can't even read posts?
I would suggest ignoring KH2 gay's bait/autism
>I would suggest ignoring your teacher
Being stupid isn't going to change how the world works.
I looked at the rest of the thread and this guy is mindlessly dismissing multiple examples, I'll take your advice
>dismissing multiple examples
I'll bait. Which point does the casual idiot need a lesson from his superior?
>mix anime and disney shit
lmao, wtf, i don't get it
the best action game with nomura's name attached was made by team ninja
KH2 gays might be the most mindbroken people I've ever seen in the video game community.
It wouldn't be so cringe if they didn't spend so much time trying to drag every other KH game that does things better than them.
Also they're all like 30 years old which is hysterical.
>Also they're all like 30 years old which is hysterical.
KH2 came out 18 years ago so I fail to see what is hysterical about there being nostalgia for it.
Because 30 year olds obsessing over their disney game on the internet and spending their time as adults defending their game to children is really really really REALLY funny.
I remember when KH released I saw it in gaming magazines and even as a child thought “Disney + anime? That looks autistic as shit”
I can’t even begin to imagine what kind of autistic neckbeard is still obsessed with this fan fiction garbage in their 30s lmao.
>OMG SHINTO MEGUMI SAN KILLED DONALD DUCK SO SAD BROS I CRI EVEYTIME
>le 2 mature 4 u
ok bro now that you've shown how above this game you are you can leave the thread now
Do you also play with baby mobiles and exclusively watch coco melon while feigning a false sense of superiority over your stunted autistic man baby tastes?
>I can’t even begin to imagine what kind of autistic neckbeard is still obsessed with this fan fiction garbage in their 30s lmao.
the gay that was told to be quiet at gdq and later caught cheating in paper mario speedruns is obsessed with KH, persona and vaporeon.
Everybody keeps praising KH2 and 3 combat but only very few people know the full potential of deck combat
It's a shame we will never get another KH game with like recoded again now that gacha and mobile shit ruined the series
Alright I just realized this entire thread is just one middle aged KH2 gay having an autism fit.
Have a good night pal, enjoy making fun of him everyone else.
Discuss.
to be fair the core combat of BBS is awful but 2's isn't very good either
Oh no, it's the greatest action game ever made easily.
Discuss
I got your discussion right here