>"the game only mentions all paradox info is fairytale to build up how Heath was actually right and they existed!"

>"the game only mentions all paradox info is fairytale to build up how Heath was actually right and they existed!"
>official site reminds us all this is bullshit even after confirming their existence

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    yeah…the fact that they’re leaning so hard into the “this info came from a probably bullshit magazine” thing is one of the most obvious tells they’re actually imagined bullshit and the “”time travel”” is a red herring.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the bullshit cryptid magazine source only comes up for Paradox Pokemon for the opposite version you have.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No, retard, the magazine can be read in the academy's library, the pokedex mentions the articles of the opposite version BECAUSE you can't check the articles yourself like you can with your version's paradoxes. But all paradoxes have bullshit entries based on what Heath wrote in his book

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's an AU thing. All of the paradoxes are wrote about in shady magazines, In Scarlet version Heath wrote that he saw the past paradoxes and in Violet version he wrote he saw the future ones. So in Scarlet version the pokedex says Violet ones are fake since they don't exist there.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Can't you fucking read or something?
            In Scarlet the past paradoxes are in shady magazines you find in the academy and the future paradoxes are in shady magazines referenced by the dex. In Violet the past paradoxes are in shady magazines referenced by the dex and the future paradoxes are in shady magazines you find in hte academy.
            Occulture is the main source of info of the paradoxes in both games, for both "sets".

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Timetravelfags don't play the games stop wasting your time.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Why are you just ignoring what he said?

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    time travel fags BTFO

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Cope

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Arrest

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Not necessarily true != false

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Dude, just give up. If they didn't want us to question it they wouldn't be so ambiguous about it.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Actual paid shill

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's the truth, you can't even refute it.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why would a monster get significantly weaker over time to the point its evolved form is complete shit compared to how it used to be?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      not as much need to be strong

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's how domestication works

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yea something like that would never happen IRL right

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you don't need to be strong to fill an evolutionary niche

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >magikarp exists and is stated to be weaker in the modern era than its ancestors weŕe

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      go fight an ape

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The monkeys in my area are too buzzy playing basketball

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I did and I won

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      powercreep only exists in game mechanics

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Literally happened to us humans anon.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Stronger doesn't always mean more suited to survive.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Its sort of implied they aren't tougher because of their age, but because their proximity to the terra energy, of which there was a lot more in their time.
      Maybe because they lived closer to a time period when the meteor that caused the crater touched down, and were irradiated with the stuff before it died down, to the point where in S/V it can only be found in the crater.
      Also hence why theres so few types of primal mons, because it only affected the species which lived close by.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      go find a t-rex and ask one

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Some things are just better at surviving becoming "weaker" since they require less resources to survive and reproduce.

      Look at rats vs panda bears.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because being smaller takes less calories to function, can breed more often, is often harder to spot, ect.
      There are multiple reasons why a species would get "weaker" because being the fittest =/= being the strongest.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Imaginationcucks WILL be DESTROYED in the dlc

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Y-you... *snif snif* ... you will see! *snif*

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They will not be destroyed because their tinfoil theory doesn't even exist in GF radar so they won't make any attempt to even refute it.
      So imaginationfags will keep seeing hidden messages and thinking it is the universe talking to them

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Screencapped for later

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I want the dlc to change the story so that it's neither imagination nor time travel but aliens like Clefable messing with reality.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >par·a·dox
    >noun: a statement or proposition that, despite sound (or apparently sound) reasoning from acceptable premises, leads to a conclusion that seems senseless, logically unacceptable, or self-contradictory.

    The thing that makes me think its imaginary shit is the pokedex entries. With UBs, honest to god ALIENS in pokemon, they were straightforward with the fact that they are ayyys, and later on we travel to Dimension Ayylmao which reinforces "holy shit aliens" and nobody questions it. There's no carrot on a stick or a guy questioning if the ayys are really ayys, and the Ultra Recon Squad along with the pokedex say "This crazy motherfucker right here? Yeah its an alien from Planet Ayylmao".

    If its time travel, they'd just say "yooo this Jigglypuff came from the Precambrian era from a bajillion years ago and can break steel with its screams" or "Holy shit this mecha Hydreigon from the future has a bite force of 3 million PSI". But in both games they tiptoe with EVERY Paradox Pokemon and say "ohh this thing was sighted, I think, and it kinda looks like this thing from an old book or magazine maybe???". The Pokedex has NEVER been this shit at describing a pokemon in the history of pokemon PERIOD, no matter how out there or legendary it is. There's too much weird shit that makes me think it's just straightforward timetravel, and it'd be infinitely lame and make no fucking sense if they lampshaded the absurdity of time travel and acted super vague about it just to play it straight anyway.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yea

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The thing that makes me think its imaginary shit is the pokedex entries.
      Anon, that should make you think it ISN'T because Occulture is just bullshit.
      Not to mention if Turo was inspired by that shit he wouldn't be focused on the future.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He has a volume of Occulture in the lighthouse.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Read them anon. There's only one entry that talks about the future and that's Thorns otherwise it's entirely about technology. There's no reason for Turo to think they're from the future based on Occulture.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            nope but if the immagination theory occulture influenced the professors otherwise we wouldn't have the same fucking exact paradoxes from the magazine with the exact design description

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              That's horrible English anon but it explains why you think you're right.
              The Scarlet and Violet books have unseen pages about the paradox pokemon, descriptions and all. Occulture embellished upon them with details like being a UFO or being billions of years old.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Anon, that should make you think it ISN'T because Occulture is just bullshit.
        But that's just it. Let me compare Pheromosa's Dex entry with Roaring Moon for a sec since they're both special version exclusive pokemon:
        Pheromosa
        >Sun: One of the dangerous Ultra Beasts, it has been spotted running across the land at terrific speeds.
        >Moon: One of the Ultra Beasts. It refuses to touch anything, perhaps because it senses some uncleanness in this world.
        Roaring Moon
        >Scarlet: It is possible that this is the creature listed as Roaring Moon in an expedition journal that still holds many mysteries.
        >Violet: According to an article in a dubious magazine, this Pokémon has some connection to a phenomenon that occurs in a certain region.
        You can see with Pheromosa that while it is very special, there is atleast some factual information about what Pheromosa is and what its like, a fast clean freak cockroach creature. And then with Roaring Moon it doesn't say jack shit about what it is or what it does, and Violet's only info on the thing comes from a "dubious magazine". There's no reason why they'd pussyfoot around with the pokemon from the past or the future when they have done even more outlandish pokemon. We are told straightforward that there are alien pokemon, fossil pokemon, dead pokemon, godly pokemon, time & space pokemon, and so on, but all of the sudden they put time travel into question? Especially when they did time travel in another game atleast 2 decades ago?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Especially when they did time travel in another game atleast 2 decades ago?
          Anon, we've literally never had a game about time travel like this let alone one that goes into real world style evolution that has only been hinted at in pokemon before.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Alright fine i'll concede over this since HGSS never went to the future, but still, why remix the same idea and act all weird over it? Especially when its just identical to already established pokemon except that they're made of metal or have more fangs? Whats the point of the mystery if we have the time machine clear as day, the professor demonstrating the time travel, and the creatures supposedly from another era roaming around? Its a waste of time waving a carrot on a stick if the answer is a straightforward "time travel is real" instead of a plot trying to imply there's more that doesnt meet the eye. Why think about Time Travel itself instead of WHAT causes Time Travel?

            >atleast 2 decades ago?
            >2009
            >2 decades ago
            Retard alert.
            And no HGSS isn't about time travel, it has a single event where we DON'T go back to a whole new era let alone one so far back that pokemon are visibly different or haven't evolved certain traits yet.

            Oh and
            >There's no reason why they'd pussyfoot around with the pokemon from the past or the future when they have done even more outlandish pokemon.
            We have LITERALLY never had anything like Paradox Pokemon before.

            >We have LITERALLY never had anything like Paradox Pokemon before.
            Once a few generations ago, we had nothing like Ultra Beasts before and everyone was raving about how weird they were. And yet we still were told they came from another planet across space and nothing more or less than that. SV and the Professor already says that the Paradox Pokemon come from the past or future, and they could leave it at that with no Heath bullshit or dubious magazine trite. But instead they walk back on it, even ingame Arven questions the existence of Time Travel rather than the physics involved in that phenomenon. Whats the fucking problem with just saying it as it is if its JUST time travel?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >and they could leave it at that with no Heath bullshit or dubious magazine trite.
              Dude the magazines existed to make you think the paradox pokemon were just made up bullshit, that's why you can find them BEFORE encountering the Paradox pokemon with exception to Donphan who's magazine is found with some of the others in the academy.

              In other words the magazines are the red herring.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The weird thing i don't see people saying anything is that there is not a single paradox mon that isn't in these magazines or the heath book... You would think the machine would catch a undiscovered pokemon but no it's already domented somewhere for some "reason"...

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                documented* not domented.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You would think the machine would catch a undiscovered pokemon but no it's already domented somewhere for some "reason"...
                That's the paradox anon.
                It's the classic bootstrap.
                You're seeing it as Heath being the first person to discover them but in reality it was the professors and the events from the future influence the past which causes the future event. See? Paradox.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Oh and if it isn't time travel then literally nothing makes sense without a ludicrous amount of headcanon and misinterpretation that disregards the game itself.
                You can even see it in this thread with the people who are denying it being time travel not knowing about things that the game explains like the book containing the Professor's ID, with them coming to the conclusion that the book itself was a key and that any old book could be used.

                So they want you to believe its fake first and then see its real? Of all the sharkjumping bullshit man, its fucking TIME TRAVEL WHO DOESNT SUSPEND THEIR DISBELIEF WITH FUCKING TIME TRAVEL ARGHHHHH
                I FUCKING HATE POKEMON PLOT SO FUCKING MUCH THERE WAS NO REASON TO DO THIS

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >So they want you to believe its fake first and then see its real?
                Yes? That's how red herrings work.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Fuck time travel man.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >>So they want you to believe its fake first and then see its real?
                Then why use Arven to make you doubt about time travel again?
                >it's fake!
                >no it's real!
                >huh it weird might be fake..
                If this is what game freak wanted then this is the schizo nobel of writing.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Then why use Arven to make you doubt about time travel again?
                They aren't. The point of Arven's comment wasn't to make you doubt time travel but to show that the story isn't over yet and that more time shenanigans will occur.

                It's called foreshadowing.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >that the story isn't over yet
                Yes
                >and that more time shenanigans will occur.
                kek you wish

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You would think the machine would catch a undiscovered pokemon but no it's already domented somewhere for some "reason"...
                That's the paradox anon.
                It's the classic bootstrap.
                You're seeing it as Heath being the first person to discover them but in reality it was the professors and the events from the future influence the past which causes the future event. See? Paradox.

                >So they want you to believe its fake first and then see its real?
                Yes? That's how red herrings work.

                >Then why use Arven to make you doubt about time travel again?
                They aren't. The point of Arven's comment wasn't to make you doubt time travel but to show that the story isn't over yet and that more time shenanigans will occur.

                It's called foreshadowing.

                It's not that I doubt Time Travel could be a thing or anything, but if this truly is the case then we might have a winrar for the most convoluted, batshit-insane sharkjumping horseshit of a pokemon plot ever. We've had retarded villains, bones and skin of a plotline, and flat characters in a pokemon game before, but this shit right here? Completely deranged, even for Gamefreak. Time Travel is fucking stupid and should've never been a trope, especially if they deliberately try to make it even MORE confusing than it should be.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's funny when you think the previous game PLA was time travel game but isn't as confusing as SV plot is.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's because PLA isn't a time travel game. Sure you go back but it's not something that's very important.
                Also SV isn't confusing if you pay attention.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >That's because PLA isn't a time travel game.
                Stopped reading here. Literally the first seconds of the game is time travel.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah I kind of figured you wouldn't understand just by your posts in this thread.
                It's not that hard to understand, you're brought to the past but time travel otherwise has nothing to do with the story. You very well could have been a traveller that came by boat and the story could have gone on as it does.
                No one knows you, You're still a stranger, you still have a proficiency with pokemon etc etc.

                But the you have a game like Chrono Trigger where the plot literally doesn't work without time travel.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >literally the vortex in the sky is called space time distortion
                >Ingo is from the future
                >player is from the future
                >space time distortion with pokemon from the future in the game spawns the entire time
                Plot isn't about time travel because?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Timetravelfags think the problem with their scenario is just the existence of time travel overall, not how it makes no sense in this game.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This tbh, i have no problem with time travel, PLA was a good game and i liked the time distortion spawns! I just believe it's imagination because of how weird and confusing the whole time machine, third legendary, herba mystica, paradox pokemon and ruinous pokemon plots are... Imagination is like a glue that makes everything have a logic. No i don't think paradox(contradiction) should be the answer, it needs to have a reason behind it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Imagination is like a glue that makes everything have a logic.
                Huh?
                The imagination theory relies on discarding logic. That's why it's called the imagination theory, it's a mocking title.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The imagination theory relies on discarding logic
                Funny that you say this when time travel fags are the ones that use the most headcanon reasons like "oh a master ball can go to the past to where Heath was and make a time loop paradox!", while imagination fags are the ones that use in game text as evidence like Arven and the magazines.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >like "oh a master ball can go to the past to where Heath was and make a time loop paradox!",
                I don't even know how to answer this because no one has ever said that's what happened 100% not to mention they didn't use master balls exclusive as shown by your Koraidon which is in a regular pokeball.
                >while imagination fags are the ones that use in game text as evidence like Arven and the magazines.
                Which isn't true at all.
                With Arven it requires ignoring what he said to claim that he's deconfirming time travel.
                And with the magazines you people assume it's true when the game clearly states its false.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I don't even know how to answer this because no one has ever said that's what happened 100% not to mention they didn't use master balls exclusive as shown by your Koraidon which is in a regular pokeball.
                Yous shoud have visited old threads about time travel vs imagination then, this theory about time loop paradox was one of them

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's funny you say that because the anon you're replying to is probably one of the only timefags left in these threads. You can tell because he always brings forth the same few bullshit talking points.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Yous shoud have visited old threads about time travel vs imagination then, this theory about time loop paradox was one of them
                I have, no one ever said it was 100% fact but just a plausible explanation.
                It's only imaginationfags that ever try to pass it off as a fact to discredit the opposition which of course is their only tactic because nothing in the game supports imagination.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Who is saying anything about 100%? It was one of the time fags theories. Theories are not about being 100% is just conjecture.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >nothing in the game supports imagination
                Except when it clearely tells you one of the paradoxes was imagined.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's the most logical answer that explains everything so it makes sense.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not him but this guy

                [...]
                [...]
                [...]
                It's not that I doubt Time Travel could be a thing or anything, but if this truly is the case then we might have a winrar for the most convoluted, batshit-insane sharkjumping horseshit of a pokemon plot ever. We've had retarded villains, bones and skin of a plotline, and flat characters in a pokemon game before, but this shit right here? Completely deranged, even for Gamefreak. Time Travel is fucking stupid and should've never been a trope, especially if they deliberately try to make it even MORE confusing than it should be.

                , I think just saying
                >"Time Machine (TM)" is fuelled by the Third Legendary, which takes people's desires and makes them physically manifest, time travel was never real and terastallizing is just "wishing" your pokemon was a certain type
                Is a lot easier to digest than
                >Time Travel is real, Heath sees the pokemon from the past or future because the third legendary likes to dick with him, they disappear for 200 years and then come back with the Time Machine that Sada/Turo made with meme crystals. Said meme crystals are able to make time travel and terastallizing as well because ????
                Time Travel is just charged with headache inducing scenarios, especially when it goes so far back in time. Theres a reason why its always shit when introduced late in a story, or if it isn't one and done from the very beginning.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This, if we've had multiple instances of time travel in the past but they were open and shut cases, in SV you have to make up so much shit to say it's time travel and even argue against the game which goes out of its way to say the claims about time travel are dubious.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Oh I'm not denying that. It's very simple to understand because of the fluidity of imagination and subtle reality warping, basically it can make sense because you can just go
                >they imagined it so it happened!
                To fill any plot holes with the theory granted that means it doesn't really hold up under scrutiny or have any real consistency between believers.
                Thats why you have imaginationfags saying that the time machine is an imagination printer or was an imagined time machine which would just make it a time machine.

                In other words, while it seems simple to the, well, simple minded, it becomes increasingly more complicated when thought it put into it.

                Meanwhile time travel is just clear cut, the only issue brought up by it is the fact that that Paradox pokemon are in the past which is conveniently solved by the fact that there's a usable time machine to solve the paradox.
                It's very simple.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't understand how you can criticize imagine theory for saying it can be used to fill plotholes and then immediately end your post by saying it's a time machine, so the blatant plothole so big that the game calls it out can be fixed because it's a time machine.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I don't understand how you can criticize imagine theory for saying it can be used to fill plotholes and then immediately end your post by saying it's a time machine
                Because you're not reading what I'm saying.
                The imagination theory is used to fill plot holes but it creates others which means more headcanon needs to be used to fill more plotholes.
                That's the problem with the theory.

                >so the blatant plothole so big that the game calls it out can be fixed because it's a time machine.
                Yes?
                It's not even a real plothole.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The imagination theory is used to fill plot holes but it creates others
                Like what?
                >It's not even a real plothole.
                Why would anyone in the story send a Pokemon back to Heath's time, and then retrieve it?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Like what?
                The common one is the paradox pokemon 200 years ago.
                The time travel theory has it simply be that the time machine was used at some point. Most likely in the DLC.
                The imagination theory claims that the expedition was faked in its entirety and heath never actually saw them with the professors bringing them to life when they went into the crater. But then you have Heath knowing about the other details of the crater not to mention the clear pictures like the markings. There's absolutely zero chance that it was faked.
                Then there's the fact that there was the expedition to build the labs 80 years ago where presumably nothing happened and everything went off without a hitch. No imaginary pokemon, possession or anything just normal construction which raises the question as to why that was the case which imagination theorists ignore because it doesn't fit with their theory.

                >Why would anyone in the story send a Pokemon back to Heath's time, and then retrieve it?
                We don't know, it's most likely going to be explained in the DLC. That's why no one outright says that's definitely the case and just puts it out there as a plausible scenario.
                Also with imagination the plot can't really go anywhere. There's no real danger to be had once you find and catch the third legend and it would be hard to justify being able to find more pokemon in Paldea just like that, the last time we had something like that was ORAS environmental changes and that was equally as stupid because its an island region.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The imagination theory claims that the expedition was faked in its entirety and heath never actually saw them
                So you have made up some other shitty theory to make your time travel duckers look more plausible? pathetic moron.

                Real Imagination theory claims what:

                >Expedition have been set up to investigate the Crater

                >Beforehand there was lots of myths surrounding crater (Greedy Paldean King always sent his people to investigate it and gather some treasure but no one have been returned, this is what you can learn from History Classes in game btw)

                >Expedition members feared the Crater and possible monstrous creatures what living in it

                >Expedition members also believed what there is some treasure at the bottom of the Crater

                >All that was granted to them (by unknown mysterious third legendary what we will discover in DLC) in the Crater in the form of monstrous Pokémon and magical herbs what cure everything and make you stronger + magical crystals what makes your Pokémon stronger

                >Heath then writes a book about all that

                >That book became best seller because of how bizarre all that was

                >Professor Sada/Turo had that book as a kid and was absolutely in love with it

                >Professor Sada/Turo believed what monstrous Pokémon described in that book was no other than Pokémon from past/future

                >Professor ventured to Crater themselves and started to develop time machine (because they was convinced what monstrous Pokémon was from different time)

                >They actually managed to make a time machine and it actually gave exactly these monsters to them, because again - whatever you believe into will be granted(by that unknown disk third legendary) as long as you inside of the Crater.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Thanks for proving my point. You people can't stay on track with your own theory, you've just made an entirely new branch completely different from what was being said by this anon

                >photos don't match Long Tusk/Iron Treads details, the drawings don't match photos or reality either
                >even the jungle where they found Long Tusk/Iron Treads is fake, there are no jungles in Area Zero
                >two paradox pokemon confirmed to be DLC material are explicitly said to be imaginary
                >Herba Mystica is only found at titan pokemon lairs, not in Area Zero where it supposedly come from
                >Heath could't possibly see Winged King/Iron Serpent because the only two of each paradox ever retrieved to modern times are in your team
                >the non-crazy person most familiar with the book is the one telling us how bullshit they are, even after the endgame

                >"Scarlet/violet book is 100% factual"
                Why do timetravelfucks don't play the game?

                who claimed the journal was fake.

                You can't possibly be this stupid.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >No arguments
                Lmao go have a nice day timetravelcuck

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                How is two people having different takes on imagination theory disproving anything? Everyone agrees Heath made the paradoxes up, I personally don't think the 3rd legend imprinted the idea of the paradox mons in people's heads, but that's not really the point since the bottom line is that they're fake.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >How is two people having different takes on imagination theory disproving anything?
                Are you being serious right now? It shows that the game isn't being taken into account and that there's nk logical consistency.
                The same can't be said for time travel because everyone who believes it just follows the game 100% with no headcanon.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The same can't be said for time travel because everyone who believes it just follows the game 100% with no headcanon
                kek thanks for the laugh. I didn't know that the time loop paradox was 100% said by an npc in game and not something that an anon said about time travel.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                See

                It's not headcanon to bring up the fact that there's an actual time machine that can be used to provide a plausible explanation.
                Meanwhile there's no way to explain the same thing with imagination.

                No one says its true, just plausible.
                There's a world of difference between those two words.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The same can't be said for time travel because everyone who believes it just follows the game 100% with no headcanon.
                Timefags literally cannot explain

                >this thread again
                Ask timetravelfags how Heath saw Miraidon despite only two of them being retrieved from "the future" and then watch them come up with retarded headcanon that contradicts the "time machine" rules to justify it.
                >huuuh maybe the kidnapping-pokemon-from-another-time machine took a Miraidon, then Turo somehow, sent it to the past for the lulz and then retrieved it again and he just never recorded any of this for no reason and...??"

                without ample headcanon. If we account entirely for the stuff we find ingame then time travel makes no sense.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's not headcanon to bring up the fact that there's an actual time machine that can be used to provide a plausible explanation.
                Meanwhile there's no way to explain the same thing with imagination.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Literally the only npc in the entire game that believed in time travel was the professor. No, Arven didn't, Clavell didn't, the Sada/Turo friends didn't(the ones that abandoned him), not even Heath said anything about time travel gayry and only called the paradox pokemon as "monsters from area zero"... It's one NPC agains't the entire fucking game. This isn't enough proof for me that he is right about the time machine working as intended if he is even using Heath's old schematics.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >the Sada/Turo friends didn't(the ones that abandoned him),
                You do realise they were abandoned in the time BETWEEN the first Raidon and the last, right?
                It also wasn't due to lack of belief but rather the professor's growing insanity.
                This is all in game.
                >not even Heath said anything about time travel gayry and only called the paradox pokemon as "monsters from area zero"...
                I don't see why you would think this is evidence if they didn't have a time machine back then to think of the idea, which would also put a Thorn in the side of the imagination theory since they wouldn't imagine past and future pokemon down there.
                Also look at your image, they literally call them pokemon.
                >we began to catch glimpses of mysterious pokemon

                >It's one NPC agains't the entire fucking game.
                Not really.
                Sada and Turo believe it's time travel.
                The AIs believe it's time travel.
                The pokemon are classified as paradoxes commonly associated with time travel.
                The themes of the pokemon being past and future.
                Arven foreshadows more time travel.
                Everything is overtly saying time travel which you're denying.

                Meanwhile the only thing about imagination is is the Suicune/Virizion page which of course can be explained by the third legend.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Sada and Turo believe it's time travel.
                Yes
                >The AIs believe it's time travel.
                ? You know the AI was made to be a professor "clone" right?
                >The pokemon are classified as paradoxes commonly associated with time travel.
                Paradox is just a contradiction which these pokémon really are. It has nothing to do with time loop time travel.
                >The themes of the pokemon being past and future
                Yes because the person that made the "machine" believed in time travel.
                >Arven foreshadows more time travel.
                Arven is just as confused as everyone else about these pokémon and is the only npc that said it doesn't make any sense.
                >Everything is overtly saying time travel which you're denying
                Lol ok Sada/Turo

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You know the AI was made to be a professor "clone" right?
                If you had been paying attention to the game, while they're based on the professor they do have their own thoughts separate to them which is why pic related can happen.
                >Paradox is just a contradiction which these pokémon really are.
                A paradox is a specific type of contradiction commonly associated with time travel because of the variety of paradoxes.
                I'm not saying it's exclusive to time travel but a very common link.

                Going back to imagination however there's no contradiction whatsoever time or otherwise, something brought to life via imagination is just alive.

                >Arven is just as confused as everyone else about these pokémon and is the only npc that said it doesn't make any sense.
                It's called foreshadowing. He's literally hinting to the use of time travel to explain the paradox the pokemon are named after.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >while they're based on the professor they do have their own thoughts separate to them which is why pic related can happen.
                the ai only splits off when its revealed the professor is fucking insane, they're still a clone of the professor and hold all their knowledge and believes, to a lesser extent
                >Going back to imagination however there's no contradiction whatsoever
                the pokemon exist despite not being real is enough of a paradox to justify the classification
                >He's literally hinting to the use of time travel
                this is cope, it's funny you say this because he actually hints directly to imagination theory because he explicitly says "they even managed to make it a reality!" which lines up 1:1 with imagination theory.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >the ai only splits off when its revealed the professor is fucking insane
                Anon, the professor already went off the deep end before the AI was made. That's what made the other leave after Arven was born.

                >the pokemon exist despite not being real is enough of a paradox to justify the classification
                Except they are real that's the problem, there's no contradiction to their existence if they're brought to life. They just exist via imagination.

                >"they even managed to make it a reality!" which lines up 1:1 with imagination theory.
                No, its a saying referring to hard work and determination. Making your dreams a reality doesn't literally mean making it real.

                Also they already have a wishing pokemon.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Anon, the professor already went off the deep end before the AI was made. That's what made the other leave after Arven was born
                And? The point is that the AI is a copy of the professor, if they didn't believe in the professor or time travel they wouldnt have gone in the """"time machine""""" at the end of the game. they held the same beliefs as the professor, they just drew a line that the real professor crosses
                > its a saying referring to hard work and determination
                okay?
                >Making your dreams a reality doesn't literally mean making it real.
                but thats exactly what the professor does in a very literal sense
                >Also they already have a wishing pokemon.
                and we have two pokemon with time powers, whats your point?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The point is that the AI is a copy of the professor
                Yes?
                What you don't seem to understand is that once it starts thinking for itself it stops being a copy and becomes its own entity that has its own thoughts and feelings.
                >if they didn't believe in the professor or time travel they wouldnt have gone in the """"time machine""""" at the end of the game
                Which brings us to another issue, if it wasn't a time machine then they wouldn't have disappeared. Even if you think it was a crystal it would leave a mechanical husk behind that couldn't be absorbed into the third legend.
                >but thats exactly what the professor does in a very literal sense
                No they don't. There's nothing in the game that suggests they just wished something into reality even the AI says it was built and hints that the crystals gave the professor the knowledge to build it.
                >and we have two pokemon with time powers
                No we don't.
                We have one that IS time, Dialga
                And we have one that can TRAVEL through time but not control it, Celebi.
                It's the same with Hoopa and Palkia mind you.

                The third legend and jirachi would have the exact same classification/gimmick whatever you want to call it.

                What we don't have however is a pokemon of knowledge.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >No we don't.
                >We have one that IS time, Dialga
                >And we have one that can TRAVEL through time but not control it, Celebi.
                NTA but being able to time travel IS a time ability... Dialga made time itself, it's just different levels of power.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >NTA but being able to time travel IS a time ability... Dialga made time itself, it's just different levels of power.
                Yes, it's a time ability but not time control.
                There's different tiers of power.

                >No we don't. We have one that IS time, Dialga And we have one that can TRAVEL through time but not control it, Celebi.
                With that logic the time machine doesn't have time powers because it can't control time kek. You guys are funny as fuck.
                >What we don't have however is a pokemon of knowledge.
                Dude Uxie

                Again, same thing. The representation of knowledge isn't the same as having knowledge.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Again, same thing. The representation of knowledge isn't the same as having knowledge.
                "when Uxie first emerged, humans gained the knowledge needed to solve problems and improved their quality of life"
                What kind of knowledge are you even talking about at this point? wtf

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Knowledge of Time, the Past and Future, not Human Knowledge, which is more equatable to Wisdom.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >No we don't. We have one that IS time, Dialga And we have one that can TRAVEL through time but not control it, Celebi.
                With that logic the time machine doesn't have time powers because it can't control time kek. You guys are funny as fuck.
                >What we don't have however is a pokemon of knowledge.
                Dude Uxie

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >What you don't seem to understand is that once it starts thinking for itself it stops being a copy and becomes its own entity that has its own thoughts and feelings.
                ...that are based off the professor's thoughts and desires that of which believe in time travel, play the game, even though the ai disagrees with the prof they have the same wish overall
                >Even if you think it was a crystal it would leave a mechanical husk behind
                not if it was 100% created by the disk legend, which is exactly what it was, as it appears suddenly one day after the professor wishes for it. if there a log that says "im gonna make an AI clone of myself" you'd be right, but there isnt, just the prof wishing for a double and getting exactly that, there was no actual reason for the ai to be a 1:1 clone of the professor down to the fucking outfit (what do they gain from having it be a guy who walks and talks and not just being confined to a computer or even some floating bit like a rotomphone) unless it was a wish granted down to the smallest detail
                > even the AI says it was built
                The ai also says its impossible for humans to build it, if it was built it was by the wish machine which also explains why it got re-absorbed and turned into crystals
                >We have one that IS time, Dialga
                >And we have one that can TRAVEL through time but not control it, Celebi.
                ...but both can time travel, kind of like how both wishmon and jirachi grant wishes, though wishmon also has the tera energy stuff going on.
                >The third legend and jirachi would have the exact same classification/gimmick whatever you want to call it.
                okay so we have two wish pokemon like we have two time pokemon, still not seeing the issue here

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The ai also says its impossible for humans to build it, if it was built it was by the wish machine which also explains why it got re-absorbed and turned into crystals
                NTA but he said humans don't have the knowledge to build it not that they couldn't outright and it says the body is mechanical. If it was reabsorbed we'd have a mechanical Sada left.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                if it was made from the wish machine it doesnt really matter what its body was made out of, the paradox pokemon are also mechanical

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >the paradox pokemon are also mechanical
                Why is it imaginationfags accuse time travel as being headcanon then say dumb shit like this

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Oh sorry I mean the future paradoxes, not the dinos, obviously.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Why is it imaginationfags accuse time travel as being headcanon then say dumb shit like this
                t. scarletfag

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >if it was made from the wish machine it doesnt really matter what its body was made out of,
                Which it wasn't. Its 100% mechanical.
                Unless you're trying to say that everything regardless of being imagined can just be absorbed.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                what if they're made up by tera crystals imagine if they all look cristalized in the inside like an ore

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                forgot to add
                >there's no contradiction to their existence
                the very nature of their existence is contradictory since they came from nowhere and are based off of versions of pokemon that dont exist

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >the very nature of their existence is contradictory since they came from nowhere and are based off of versions of pokemon that dont exist
                That's not a contradiction. That just means they didn't exist before they did Also you're not saying that they came from nowhere but rather the minds of people made manifest via the third legend.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >If you had been paying attention to the game, while they're based on the professor they do have their own thoughts separate to them which is why pic related can happen.
                Do you even know what an AI is you retard? It's an algorithim that you feed information and then it can learn more information later by itself. Of course it was going to learn more because it's a fucking AI!
                >A paradox is a specific type of contradiction commonly associated with time travel because of the variety of paradoxes.
                "a situation or statement that seems impossible or is difficult to understand because it contains two opposite facts or characteristics"
                It's a contradiction you retard!
                >sense.
                It's called foreshadowing. He's literally hinting to the use of time travel to explain the paradox the pokemon are named after.
                Yes it's foreshadowing about the DLC is going to continue the story and have nothing to do about confirming time travel just questioning

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >It's an algorithim that you feed information and then it can learn more information later by itself. Of course it was going to learn more because it's a fucking AI!
                And how exactly does this help your argument? Ignoring the fact that you're applying real world logic to fiction this just means it would be time travel since the AI didn't discover the wish mechanic.
                Not to mention the "imagination" machine would have ceased since there's no mind to feed it.
                >"a situation or statement that seems impossible or is difficult to understand because it contains two opposite facts or characteristics"
                Every time I read your posts I always have to grab the ridge of my nose in disbelief because you clearly don't understand English, I'm saying paradoxes are commonly associated with time travel not that they're exclusive to time travel but that idea is clearly beyond your understanding.
                Anyway, how about this. If you're so sure an imaginary pokemon would be a paradox explain it. What about it makes it's existence contradictory.
                >Yes it's foreshadowing about the DLC is going to continue the story and have nothing to do about confirming time travel just questioning
                Now you're just parroting arguments used against imagination swapping imagination for time travel.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Ignoring the fact that you're applying real world logic to fiction
                Dude AI is AI why make headcanon about AI now that works in a diferent way wtf?
                >I'm saying paradoxes are commonly associated with time travel not that they're exclusive to time travel but that idea is clearly beyond your understanding.
                Paradoxes are many and are always contradictions in logic. Stop being a retard!
                >Now you're just parroting arguments used against imagination swapping imagination for time travel.
                The fuck do you mean retard? Arven said it's weird and we will probably know more in the DLC. There is nothing there.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >why make headcanon about AI now that works in a diferent way wtf?
                Says the anon trying to equate it to a real world AI without any evidence it functions as such. Are you actually going to make an argument and refer to the actual points or are you just going to scream headcanon and pretend like you're right?
                >Paradoxes are many and are always contradictions in logic
                No one is contesting that, but the term paradox is commonly associated with time travel, you won't be able to find a time travel story that doesn't mention some kind of paradox.
                Once again, I am NOT saying that it's exclusive to time travel I am saying that it's COMMONLY ASSOCIATED with it.
                I don't know how I can say this to you in a way that your clearly simple mind can understand.
                >Arven said it's weird and we will probably know more in the DLC. There is nothing there
                Anon, from the start people have been using Arven's clear foreshadowing of a bootstrap paradox to disprove the imagination theory.

                If you don't know what a bootstrap is then as much as I hate bringing it up Doctor who actually has a good explanation of it.

                Now I urge you, take the time to construct a proper response.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Bootstrap paradox
                Thank you for proving why time travel can't possibly be involved.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So time travel can't be involved despite the game not only driving that point home but also hinting at it in the post game?
                I give up, I'm going to enjoy when it isn't imagination and you people melt down.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Says the anon trying to equate it to a real world AI without any evidence it functions as such. Are you actually going to make an argument and refer to the actual points or are you just going to scream headcanon and pretend like you're right?
                The only one saying this AI doesn't work like an AI is you and IT IS A FUCKING headcanon. The AI isn't a living being and like i said before it learns by feeding information.
                >but the term paradox is commonly associated with time travel
                For YOU
                >If you don't know what a bootstrap is then as much as I hate bringing it up Doctor who actually has a good explanation of it.
                Oh i see you are the time fag that believe in the time loop thing kek.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The only one saying this AI doesn't work like an AI is you and IT IS A FUCKING headcanon
                You really don't get it do you. You're the one assuming that it works like a real AI.
                That's headcanon not supported by the game.
                >For YOU
                For literally everyone. Take a court room for instance, you're not going to see someone say that a statement is paradoxical, they're just going to say contradictory/contradicts despite paradox also working.

                Why am I even bringing up court rooms as if any of you have so much as watched Judge Judy let alone stepped into a real one.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                nta but the AI says a computer uses the Prof's memories to calculate actions. If the Professor thought time travel was real, so would the AI.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >If the Professor thought time travel was real, so would the AI.
                Yes, at first but the AI does say that it has its own thoughts.
                Basically it uses Sada as a template to grow from which is why it can't comprehend why Sada would allow the time machine to be left on.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Arven foreshadows more time travel.
                Arven says time travel makes no sense, you only think this because more time travel is the only way the plot holes can be justified, which shits on the rest of the story
                >Everything is overtly saying time travel which you're denying.
                only the professor says this, the rest of the game is about treasure and stuff

                i feel like the game kinda beats you over the head with imagination/wish fulfillment. the treasure hunt is whatever you want it to be -> the "treasure" at the bottom of area zero is whatever the expedition expected or wanted it to be. the dlc paradoxes being in-text fakemon. the terastal hats looking like a projection from the pokemon's mind. vanilla time travel doesn't really tie it together as satisfyingly for the narrative as a whole.

                We really need to make a big compilation image of all the times the game says treasure, wishes and imagination because they really do harp on these themes.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >We really need to make a big compilation image of all the times the game says treasure, wishes and imagination
                I mean, sure if you want to embarrass yourself. For starters treasure has nothing to do with wishes to reality in and of itself.
                Wishes the game practically drives home don't just happen on their own and requires hard work to achieve which the imagination theory goes against.

                Then imagination in the context of the theory only has the one page.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                For starters treasure has nothing to do with wishes to reality in and of itself.
                The entire theme of the game is finding out what you want, what you wish, what you treasure, and making your adventure in your own way to fulfill those wishes. It's even what destroyed the Paldean Empire thousands years ago, the seek for people's treasure which is just something they believed and wanted to be hidden in the crater.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The entire theme of the game is finding out what you want, what you wish, what you treasure, and making your adventure in your own way to fulfill those wishes.
                Yes, not by wishing for it out of the blue but by working at a desire and putting your heart and soul into it.
                You work hard to become a champion.
                Arven works hard researching the herba mystica to save his pokemon
                Penny and the rest of team star worked hard to enact their anti-bully plan.
                None of them just wished really really hard to achieve their dream or find their treasure.
                >It's even what destroyed the Paldean Empire thousands years ago,
                The treasures of ruin did that and they didn't even come from Paldea but pokechina.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The professor also worked really hard, they dedicated their life to the book and made the tera orbs just to get more funding to stay in area zero, where's the problem?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The professor also worked really hard, they dedicated their life to the book and made the tera orbs just to get more funding to stay in area zero,
                Exactly? Anon the whole point is that there is no wishing or dreams to reality machine. Everyone had to put effort in to do it.
                >where's the problem?
                The problem is that it doesn't support imagination but you're acting like it does.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The professor worked hard to get their imagination machine, still lines up with imagination theory, it's not like anyone could walk down there since the player had the strongest trainer in paldea, a super hacker and some cook guy.
                The professor never knew it was an imagination machine and researched it for years, so your point is moot innit

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >It's not headcanon to bring up the fact that there's an actual time machine
                A time machine that doesn't make sense, correct.
                >that can be used to provide a plausible explanation
                CAN be used, so it only makes sense with headcanon. A time machine can do literally anything, but what matters is that the story deliberately puts rules in place that makes it so it couldn't do what timefags are arguing it did, and the only way a time machine can make sense is if we ignore these rules and let the time machine godmod through every conceivable plot hole. Basically what this anon said

                >par·a·dox
                >noun: a statement or proposition that, despite sound (or apparently sound) reasoning from acceptable premises, leads to a conclusion that seems senseless, logically unacceptable, or self-contradictory.

                The thing that makes me think its imaginary shit is the pokedex entries. With UBs, honest to god ALIENS in pokemon, they were straightforward with the fact that they are ayyys, and later on we travel to Dimension Ayylmao which reinforces "holy shit aliens" and nobody questions it. There's no carrot on a stick or a guy questioning if the ayys are really ayys, and the Ultra Recon Squad along with the pokedex say "This crazy motherfucker right here? Yeah its an alien from Planet Ayylmao".

                If its time travel, they'd just say "yooo this Jigglypuff came from the Precambrian era from a bajillion years ago and can break steel with its screams" or "Holy shit this mecha Hydreigon from the future has a bite force of 3 million PSI". But in both games they tiptoe with EVERY Paradox Pokemon and say "ohh this thing was sighted, I think, and it kinda looks like this thing from an old book or magazine maybe???". The Pokedex has NEVER been this shit at describing a pokemon in the history of pokemon PERIOD, no matter how out there or legendary it is. There's too much weird shit that makes me think it's just straightforward timetravel, and it'd be infinitely lame and make no fucking sense if they lampshaded the absurdity of time travel and acted super vague about it just to play it straight anyway.

                , if they were playing it straight there'd be no need to have source after source in the game saying it's bullshit and that time travel makes no sense.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Imagination makes sense, Heath made it up and the professor made the tera-fueled machine to make his wishful thinking of time traveling iguanas real, just like it got a fucking AI too advanced to be made by humans. Time travel makes no sense because we know the times the time machine has been used for a Miraidon, and none of those include sending one to 200 years ago, so Heath couldn't see Iron Serpent like he said he would.
                Learn to read (and think).

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >and the professor made the tera-fueled machine to make his wishful thinking
                So now the machine just makes pokemon.
                >Time travel makes no sense because we know the times the time machine has been used for a Miraidon, and none of those include sending one to 200 years ago,
                Unless it hasn't happened yet. You know because it's a time machine that they didn't destroy.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >now the machine just makes pokemon
                This has been the case since forever

                >Unless it hasn't happened yet.
                Can't happen because I have both Koraidon in my team, retard.

                moron it's a
                TIME
                MACHINE
                If you use it in the future you can influence the past, and this is literally setting up a grander back to the future style time line altering story.

                >it's a time machine
                ... that has only been used to retrieve Koraidon/Miraidon twice. Once for our ride Koraidon/Miraidon and another one for the violent Koraidon/Miraidon. Heath's Koraidon/Miraidon? Doesn't come from the "time machine".
                It's funny how timetravelcucks think a time machine is a jack of all trades, with zero rules nor limitations. No sense? It's a time machine! Impossible? It's a time machine! Not used to allow my theory to happen? It's a time machine!

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >It's funny how timetravelcucks think a time machine is a jack of all trades, with zero rules nor limitations. No sense? It's a time machine! Impossible? It's a time machine! Not used to allow my theory to happen? It's a time machine!
                What the fuck are you talking about? All anyone is saying that the time machine can be used to explain the paradox which is literally the only "problem" with time travel.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There are so many problems with time travel, starting from their designs, it wasn't an accident that a modern magnet, pokeball and mega evolution that was only created 3000 years ago were part of the group.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Oh shit, WAS mega evolution only from 3000 years ago? that btfos time travel right there

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They already get BTFO by Slither Wing not having any fossil

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Seeing Voltorb mimics Apricorns, it seems okay that Amoongus-like creatures could also exist.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That wasn't mimicking apricorns or anything else from back then?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >starting from their designs
                Anon, the designs present an issue with the imagination theory because they're so uniform.
                >that was only created 3000 years ago were part of the group.
                Uh, who said either of those things were created 3000 years ago? Mega evolution in particular comes from meteors and now with SV we have the earliest meteor strike at 1 million years ago. Not to mention Mega Aerodactyl is said to be what it originally looked like in the past.

                Also, Magnezone existed in the wild in Arceus which is far from modern times.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Mega evolution in particular comes from meteors and now with SV we have the earliest meteor strike at 1 million years ago. Not to mention Mega Aerodactyl is said to be what it originally looked like in the past.
                Mega evolution was created 3000 years ago with the firing of the ultimate weapon.

                During Arceus at least there were humans, unlike with supposedly Sandy Shocks.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Mega evolution was created 3000 years ago with the firing of the ultimate weapon.
                No, that's headcanon that wasn't even the first recorded instance because that was technically Mega Ray which AZ was there to watch during the second coming of Kyogre and Groudon.
                Anyway, it charged a bunch of meteors sure, but any meteor can be charged with any energy as shown in ORAS with the giant meteor that created sootopolis absorbing Primal energy to become a giant keystone and the geothermal energy turning the meteor from meteor falls into one.

                That means that potentially mega evolution could have happened in prehistory without being recorded.

                >unlike with supposedly Sandy Shocks.
                Which is headcanon because we don't know anything of the era they come from. Also still a moot point, this is the pokemon world, not the real world and there's nothing to say that they didn't exist first.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                ORAS is a different timeline.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Except they can't. Two Miraidon were retrieved and none of them went to Heath's age. Time machine or not, there's no Miraidon in Heath's time

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Without Primal Reversion, they will continue to exist as Cyclizar instead of Miraidon

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                moron it's a
                TIME
                MACHINE
                If you use it in the future you can influence the past, and this is literally setting up a grander back to the future style time line altering story.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >links to my post
                >lies
                I never said the entire trip was fake you illiterate cuck. You said the entire thing was real and I pointed out the fake info, no more, no less.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                moron what? There's so much headcanon here
                >All that was granted to them
                This isn't true. Everyone who went into the crater before Heath's team was never heard from again.

                >Heath then writes a book about all that
                There's literally no other record of expeditions into the crater until Heath's. He can't write about something he didn't see and then have it still be accurate. That's fucking stupid.

                Sada/Turo believed what monstrous Pokémon described in that book was no other than Pokémon from past/future
                Which is fucking headcanon. Only Occulture says that they're from the past or future and if they were influenced by that Turo wouldn't be obsessed with the future. There's literally only one magazine that even says anything about the future and its about thorns.
                Bundle is an ancient machine
                Treads is a super advanced alien weapon
                Hands is a human that underwent reconstructive cyborg surgery
                Jugulus happened when a Hydreigon fucked a computer
                Moth is a UFO
                And Valiant is a Robot Mewtwo Frankenstein.
                There's absolutely no logical reason why Turo would think
                >hm all of these things must be from the future
                When nothing says they're from the future which lines up with time travel because that theory suggests that the third legend influenced them into time travel based on the fact that they suddenly started talking about it out of the blue.

                ventured to Crater themselves and started to develop time machine (because they was convinced what monstrous Pokémon was from different time)
                They didn't even go into the crater explicitly for a time machine why would they even go in thinking it would help them make a time machine at all when it's still a barely documented area and no one knew what the crystals could really do UNTIL the professor and their crew ventured in and developed the Tera Orb.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >because again - whatever you believe into will be granted(by that unknown disk third legendary) as long as you inside of the Crater.
                Which is fucking stupid because we never see that happen. Ever.
                You can't even use the AI because the professors never asked for an AI they asked for another version of themselves, if it brought believes into reality then there would just be another one of them.
                It's a machine that they built with their own two hands that's powered by the crystals.

                God its like you people don't even play the games.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The imagination theory says that Heath didn't fake the expedition, he faked what he encountered because the drawings in the floor and some giant crystals weren't good enough to sell. The imaginary pokemon weren't there until the professors made the imagination machine powered by the tera crystals by the third legendary, so it makes perfect sense they weren't there. The possession happened 200 years ago because the third legendary thought Heath could build the imagination machine and gave him the blueprints and formulas, but he didn't understand any of it so it didn't happen again until the professors arrived.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Except the schematics are in his handwriting and he doesn't remember it. So what? Did the 3rd legendary also forge Heath's writing?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What are you trying to say? I'm saying he got possessed and wrote it while possessed with his own handwriting. The 3rd legendary doesn't have to forge it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Did the 3rd legendary also forge Heath's writing?
                No, Heath was probably just possessed and made to write it while unconscious.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The imagination theory claims that the expedition was faked in its entirety
                Pathetic timetravelfags can't keep making shit up huh

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The imagination theory claims that the expedition was faked in its entirety
                Take your meds, schizophrenic delusions aren't healthy.
                >the expedition to build the labs 80 years ago where presumably nothing happened and everything went off without a hitch
                Go play the game, retard.
                In their journal Sada/Turo say they've encountered the third legendary and used it's power to build the tera orb, it's one of the main reasons why they decide to stay in area zero and build the lab in the first place.
                >We don't know
                So you're just admitting that time travel doesn't make any sense but think the dlc is going to magically fix it with more time travel even though the "time machine" was turned off at the of the game.
                >Also with imagination the plot can't really go anywhere. There's no real danger to be had once you find and catch the third legend
                That's a problem how?
                >it would be hard to justify being able to find more pokemon in Paldea just like that
                Completely irrelevant.
                You can catch multiple Eternatus in swsh.
                lore =/= gameplay

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >In their journal Sada/Turo say they've encountered the third legendary and used it's power to build the tera orb, it's one of the main reasons why they decide to stay in area zero and build the lab in the first place.
                What?
                Have you even played the game?
                The professor's crew didn't build the labs. That happened 80 years before, they weren't even born yet when it happened.

                >So you're just admitting that time travel doesn't make any sense
                No? Where did you even get that idea from?
                By that same logic your own theory doesn't make sense because it's being saved for the dlc.

                >That's a problem how?
                Are you really trying to say that a five minute excursion into the crater to find the third legend is adequate for what's most likely going to be a $20-$30 dlc?

                >Completely irrelevant.
                Of course its relevant, they're obviously going to add new pokemon to the dlc.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The professor's crew didn't build the labs
                Then why did you bring it up as an argument against imagination?
                That makes your argument even worse since it has nothing to with the story even if it is time travel.
                >your own theory doesn't make sense
                Timetravelfags have to use the DLC as shield for the holes in their theory, imaginationchads used their theory to speculate about the DLC.
                >five minute excursion into the crater to find the third legend
                Why do you assume they won't add new areas?
                >they're obviously going to add new pokemon to the dlc
                which they can't do if it's time travel because the machine has been turned off.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Then why did you bring it up as an argument against imagination
                Because its the second recorded excursion into area Zero and nothing happened. No paradox mon, no lost crews, nothing. It, according to what we know in game, went off without a hitch.
                If imagination was a factor and it passively generates things based on the wants and desires of those in the crater something would have happened.
                Understand?
                >That makes your argument even worse since it has nothing to with the story even if it is time travel.
                At this point you're just saying you can follow a conversation properly.

                >Timetravelfags have to use the DLC as shield for the holes in their theory, imaginationchads used their theory to speculate about the DLC.
                Anon, everything in the game talks about time travel. The only thing suggesting imagination is the paradox legend page which isn't in the game.
                Do you see the hypocrisy in your words here?
                The only evidence for imagination has been left for dlc.
                >which they can't do if it's time travel because the machine has been turned off.
                Turned off, not destroyed.
                You can use another ID to turn it back on and there's an entire crew that built the time machine INCLUDING the other professor that was there to see the The Raidon come through.

                Can you get your information correct before posting next time?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >If imagination was a factor and it passively generates things based on the wants and desires of those in the crater something would have happened.
                >Understand?
                No, because the third legendary needs the imagination machine built by the professor to do that, without it it can only possess people like Heath. No, the third legendary didn't make any of the imagination pokemon real during Heath's time, Heath invented what he saw.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >because the third legendary needs the imagination machine built by the professor to do that, without it it can only possess people like Heath
                So you're saying that the entire game didn't as actually happen and there was no threat from a time machine pumping out violent past/future pokemon.
                You know, because there was no imagination to draw from once the professor died.

                >Heath invented what he saw.
                The likelyhood of that is incredibly low due to their specific designs. Especially where the future pokemon were concerned since they're clearly more futuristic than they could comprehend.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >they're clearly more futuristic than they could comprehend.

                it is a possibility but at the same time both versions are culturally influenced by the concept of past and future even the school anthem refers to it
                if they are really "imagined" i don't think they came up with any specific creatures but they are a hodgepodge of things they had in mind that influenced the designs of the paradoxes so that disk mon would make them

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                this, if they came from the professor's imagination then combined with the embellishments of occulture its not hard to see why they look the way they do. the paradox mons also look different in the photo, the sketch and in reality which means everyone had a different take on what theyre supposed to look like, and what we got is how turo imagined them

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Okay here's the thing, while you can think about prehistoric creatures and come up with a consistent idea and theme, you can't do the same with the future, it's inherently unknowable.
                You can only use the technology of the time as an idea I mean, look at the real world for instance, future car designs in the 60s still had that distinct 60s look about them.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So the homogenized look of Violet look is because that is what future technology looked like at the time?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No, there's not way they could have envisioned something like that in the 200 years ago.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Magnemite exist 6000 years ago, so floating shiny objects could be understood.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                not really a lot of people from the past imagined some crazy shit that might happens in the future https://www.demilked.com/future-predictions-from-the-past/

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're not seeing it anon, this designs are still rooted in their era.
                Look, I took this from your link. It's all technology and designs from the era shuffled around to make something new.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                nta but I dont see your point, all that really matters is that heath and his team come up with some "iron" Pokemon, which was totally feasible 200 years ago. the imagination machine worked from turo's interpretation of these iron pokemon which is why they have more modern elements. the photo of iron treads is so shitty and blurry that anything could be there in place of the face, and the sketch is so low quality that you could interpret the face as one of those old timey tube tvs.

                the fact that the sketch artist, the photo artist and turo all had a different idea of what it should look like proves imagination imo

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >all that really matters is that heath and his team come up with some "iron" Pokemon, which was totally feasible 200 years ago
                No not at all, a metal pokemon now and a metal pokemon then would be completely different.
                Look at Magearna for instance. Completely different to any of the paradox pokemon in design despite being a mechanical pokemon as well.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Magearna is 500 years ago. So it has a steampunk design.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Oh my fucking god do you see a single LED display anywhere on any of the pokemon before gen 9's existence, no you fucking do not, stop saying "anything made of metal comes from the same era" you absolute penis

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Beeheeyem's hands have three each.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You now need to look up Elgyem because it was discovered "50 years ago", not 5 fucking hundred

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                one could be explained because of otherwordly alien creature from other dimension the other clearly has fog lights

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The low intelligence of imaginationfags on display.
                He never said it was from the same era because it was metal you absolute braindead slug. He said that it's representative of two different eras of mechanical designs.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >the fact that the sketch artist, the photo artist and turo all had a different idea of what it should look like proves imagination imo
                What?
                The sketch artist based their design on what they saw not the other way around.
                There's no such thing as a "photo artist" so that doesn't make sense they just take pictures of what's there rather than making something up.
                And Turo didn't make anything.

                Is this why people believe in imagination? Because you're just retarded?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The photo design and actual mon design aren't the same, don't play dumb. The photo is a montage.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The sketch artist based their design on what they saw not the other way around.
                Then why do all the donphans look different? The photo looks different from the sketch looks different from the actual Pokemon, seriously, look at them

                the people going around saying that the blurry photos aren't real are sitting there covered in grease typing with sweaty palms and jacking themselves off to their own pathetic attempts to derail the whole thread

                Great Tusk
                >sketch and photo have singular long spikes starting from above the eye
                >actual Pokemon has a triple-row of short spikes that go all the way to the front of its face
                >sketch shows it having curly fur on it's feet, similar to a sheep
                >photo doesn't show feet (lol)
                >actual Pokemon has short, spiky fur on its legs with much smaller claws
                >photo gives it very long, droopy ears
                >photo's ears are barely visible
                >actual Pokemon has short, spikey ears, spikes which aren't visible on the sketch at all

                Iron Treads
                >Sketch gives it big feet with long legs and weird claws
                >photo obscures its legs
                >actual Pokemon has literally no legs, just short nubs

                And also the fact that there's no fucking jungle in Area Zero, the photos are doctored and the professor makes them up with all the info they have on them.
                >And Turo didn't make anything.
                They came from Turo's imagination based off of reading the book, that's the whole basis of the theory.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >And also the fact that there's no fucking jungle in Area Zero, the photos are doctored and the professor makes them up with all the info they have on them.

                This actually means very little, when areas constantly change, and even collapse, in real life if something upsets the balance. I’m pretty sure the Third Legend is a Terraformer, and unleashed Paradox Pokémon in the past to transform Area Zero into the beginnings of it’s ‘Paradise’ it wants. There were probably native species that went extinct because of the ecosystem’s collapse and transformation, as noticed by a Primate-based Pokémon not existing in current times, that was recorded back in Heath’s time.

                It’s likely the Paradox Pokémon released in Heath’s era, we’re in the process of converting and decimating the native flora into the temperate bed it is now.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >when areas constantly change, and even collapse, in real life if something upsets the balance
                Yeah but nothing happens in Area Zero to justify the deletion of an entire biome in 200 years.
                >and unleashed Paradox Pokémon in the past to transform Area Zero into the beginnings of it’s ‘Paradise’ it wants
                People kept going in the crater and no one could find any paradox Pokemon, nor the professor which prompts him to make the time machine in the first place.
                >There were probably native species that went extinct because of the ecosystem’s collapse
                Heath records the native Pokemon he actually finds in area Zero which line up to the encounters you find there perfectly, there was no visible change in the wildlife.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Yeah but nothing happens in Area Zero to justify the deletion of an entire biome in 200 years.
                Except, you know, all that construction both of the lab and time machine.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Yeah but nothing happens in Area Zero to justify the deletion of an entire biome in 200 years.
                the fact that monitoring stations have been built there is perhaps one reason?

                How would building individual labs necessitate removing an entire jungle? Even the labs that look like little communities are squirreled away on the upper levels and are the size of a small in-game town at MOST, that isn't nearly enough to explain away an entire fucking jungle no matter how hard you try. And don't give me the "they removed them for resources" shit because the labs are all very clearly metallic.

                Your options are
                >the researches committed to mass deforestation of an area they were supposed to research for ???? reason
                or
                >there was no jungle because heath fucking lied

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They brought disease from the surface

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                both could be true because area zero changes based on the people who gets inside (but that's more of a theory)

                but yeah either ways it works

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >How would building individual labs necessitate removing an entire jungle
                It's called major construction anon, how do you think they got all of the materials in and across Area Zero?
                Not to mention there's just a random piece of crag land in what's mostly a lush green area.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Area Zero itself is a biome that shouldn't exist

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Yeah but nothing happens in Area Zero to justify the deletion of an entire biome in 200 years.
                the fact that monitoring stations have been built there is perhaps one reason?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > Heath records the native Pokemon he actually finds in area Zero which line up to the encounters you find there perfectly, there was no visible change in the wildlife.

                Except this guy doesn’t exist anymore

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Isn't that Oranguru?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                looks more like a gorilla perhaps a scrapped concept or foreshadowing for dlc

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Actually yeah, it doesn't have the frilly Cape thing does it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                it doesn't seem to have one so yeah it's a mystery-mon

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Actually I take that back, if you look closely at the right shoulder you can kind of see the points of the cape, it just doesn't have the back one.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                i KINDA see it but at the same time it doesn't look like an oranguru to me the body shapes looks a bit odd

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Even if it was Oranguru, again, no either it or any other ape Pokemon are located in Area Zero.

                I definitely think that either the Photos of Great Tusk and Iron Treads were taken outside of Area Zero, a different part of Area Zero we’ve yet to explore, or the environment has been artificially changed by the wildlife inhabiting the place.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What the fuck is that thing even? I thought it might be Slaking but the design doesn't match up, it's literally just a featureless ape.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >the fact that the sketch artist, the photo artist and turo all had a different idea of what it should look like proves imagination imo
                What in the ever loving fuck are you talking about?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You can only use the technology
                it's exactly that in fact all future mons are technological machines miraidon is literally your futuristic car archetype from sci-fi movies

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >it's exactly that in fact all future mons are technological machines miraidon is literally your futuristic car archetype from sci-fi movies
                Which is the problem, the modern designs don't fit in 200 years ago.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The game does not seem to be set in 2022

                You never read Isaac Asimov? Basically his idea of robots is the same as the future paradoxes designs.
                >but that wasn't 200 years ago
                Considering we know Suicune, Entei and Raikou were created 150 years before GSC and Heath's team knew about them, that means SV is at least 50 years in the future from GSC, which means Heath's expedition happened around the same time as those designs were popular in fiction.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                its almost like they're called "paradoxes"

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                As in time paradox yes.
                Paradoxes are contradictions not just something that doesn't make sense.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You never read Isaac Asimov? Basically his idea of robots is the same as the future paradoxes designs.
                >but that wasn't 200 years ago
                Considering we know Suicune, Entei and Raikou were created 150 years before GSC and Heath's team knew about them, that means SV is at least 50 years in the future from GSC, which means Heath's expedition happened around the same time as those designs were popular in fiction.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Or, the events of the Burned Tower happened 50 years after Heath’s expedition, like logical deduction states. Even if time wasn’t 1:1, and it was ~20 years past GSC timeframe in S/V, that still leaves a huge gap of 30-38 years after Heath’s expedition that the Beast Trio were first recorded into existence.

                I’ll say it again, the Disc is an Akashic Record, used by some unknown, fourth Legendary that is a Psychic Type, that recorded the past and future of the Pokémon world, and draws on that knowledge to create the Paradox Pokémon, to fit it’s ideal view of the perfect world. It does this because it wants the world to be like the one it came from, even at the cost of native species, even though it’s incorporated them into it’s designs, so as not to ever truly ‘lose’ the knowledge that they existed. It just makes incredibly more powerful Pokémon to replace what is lost, so they can eventually take over the vacated niches when the ecosystem collapses and depends on them to fill in the missing spots.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Basically his idea of robots is the same as the future paradoxes designs.
                >>but that wasn't 200 years ago
                Even you know that's not an argument.
                >Considering we know Suicune, Entei and Raikou were created 150 years before GSC
                There's that headcanon again.
                There's nothing saying that the events of the burned tower were the creation of the beast trio or that they weren't known before then.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                they never statement that it looks futuristic and they don't have enough comprehension for understanding what is is as a whole they say it looks like a tread only we say that it looks futuristic

                meanwhile for a cristalized eldritch entity like disk mon that wouldn't be a problem it's like bringing toilet papper to caveman

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                *stated

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >they never statement that it looks futuristic and they don't have enough comprehension for understanding what is is as a whole they say it looks like a tread only we say that it looks futuristic
                Okay so you agree with me?
                They lack the knowledge to comprehend it as futuristic and couldn't envision such a thing meaning it was real and not imagined.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >lack the knowledge to comprehend it as futuristic
                for humans? yes for disk mon? nope

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You do realise you've just changed the theory to discmon imagining them, right?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                disk mon created futuristic-looking pokemon based on people's imagination

                people from a culturaly influenced world to commemorate the future it is in the fucking school's anthem

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >disk mon created futuristic-looking pokemon based on people's imagination
                Anon if that were the case they wouldn't look like modern futuristic designs, they would look like what futuristic technology 200 years ago were seen as.

                It's not a hard concept to understand anon.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                not hard enough for disk mon to understand

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That is futuristic technology from 200 years ago, modern futuristic technology wouldn't make everything lol robots.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >That is futuristic technology from 200 years ago
                Pokeballs were still made of wood back then and you think that they would envision sleek, full metal pokemon with LED eyes?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They aren't metal, they simply look metallic, which is why they are named as "Iron X" but are not steel-types.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >They aren't metal, they simply look metallic
                perhaps they're cyborg-esque creatures since they don't lack of genes or dna

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Pokemon have DNA even if they are made out of rocks or poison gas. You can't confirm materiality that way.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They're made of iron, it's turo who gives them LED eyes because hes filling the gaps with his own imagination.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >it's turo who gives them LED eyes
                Except you can see it in the photo of Iron Treads.
                Have you people played the game?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They consistently get shit wrong, what do you think.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                How do you know they're LED in the photo?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You can see the eyes.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The photo is extremely low quality and intentionally blurry as fuck, those eyes could be stickers and it would make no difference.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nice blown up thumbnail you have there but you can still make out the face.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not him but

                No shit, I'm saying just seeing the face doesn't mean the eyes are LED, the photo is so shitty that the eyes could have been meant to be anything, even normal "monster" eyes behind a screen, and Turo just interpreted that as an LED light.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I'm saying just seeing the face doesn't mean the eyes are LED
                Anon if the design is the fucking same then they're fucking LED eyes.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                they look like gastly's eyes (which a hell load of kanto mons had)

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's like, you weren't born with the capacity to think or something.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                the same thing can be said for you since they look the same monster eyes

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Dude, Turo LITERALLY had no influence on them.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They came from turo's imagination.
                also holy shit this is an actual word

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If they came from Turo's imagination no one would know about them except for Turo. The story wouldn't make sense.
                But you're someone who's impressed by something as common as the captcha making a word so I shouldn't be surprised that you believe in imagination

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >If they came from Turo's imagination no one would know about them except for Turo.
                What the FUCK are you talking about? Turo imagined them based off of what he reads in the book and Occulture and fills in the design gaps himself.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Then they didn't come from Turo's imagination did they.
                How are you this fucking stupid.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This MUST be bait, and if so 10/10.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You can just say you have no fucking argument. It's either 100% or nothing, there's no middle ground since that's not the only futuristic design element to it

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                See no sense in arguing with the mentally retarded, you're right.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I guess you could say his argument is imaginary.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Turo imagined them!
                >I-it doesn't matter that they were seen before he was born...

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not him but

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No you can't.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >modern futuristic technology wouldn't make everything lol robots.
                the fact that this is so true becauso of turo from a modern era is making everything into robots lol

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Turo is following what his childhood book says.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                his childhood book doesn't say they're robots but about impossible monster-looking pokemon

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It says Iron, which for Turo means robot.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                is that true though? when i think of iron i think only about bisharp

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >That is futuristic technology from 200 years ago
                Are you fucking kidding me? The paradox pokemon look like 90s machines you dipshit.
                There's a reason why everyone said Valiant looked like metal sonic.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Sonic isn't from the early 19th century

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's the point. There's no one from 200 years ago who would envision such a thing, not even in the pokemon world.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >It's not even a real plothole.
                How is it not real? The game literally points it out itself.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It technically isn't really a plothole since the game brings attention to it, it's pretty obviously a build up for things to come.
                But yeah even then it still destroys timetravelfags.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                A plothole is still a plothole even if the game acknowledges it as one.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Well paradoxes(contradictions) are potholes. The difference is that while it doesn't make any sense there is a logic behind it but we don't know yet.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Well paradoxes(contradictions) are potholes
                A paradox isn't necessarily a plothole especially where time travel is concerned.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The imagination theory is used to fill plot holes but it creates others
                There is none plot holes with imagination theory, but wit "just time travel theory” there are literally dozens of them, lmao

                >Why ”past” Paradox Pokémon look bizarre and have that stereotypical caveman unga-bungalow aesthetic when even REAL past Pokémon aka Fossilmons never looked like that neither had that aesthetic?
                Timetravel theory can’t explain that but imagination theory can.
                >Why ”future” Paradox Pokémon are all just robots out of nowhere? Why it is just stereotypical "future = robots” idea out of a sudden?
                Timetravel theory can’t explain that but imagination theory can.
                >Why Paradox Pokémon was in the past where time machine was not a thing?
                Timetravel theory can’t explain that but imagination theory can.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >plot holes
                What plot holes are you babbling about all this time tho?
                All that discussion comes up from game being painfully obvious about main twist being ”time travel but actually not really” and there are just two factions of people - those who agrees with(imagination theory - based on all hints and info from the game) it and those who disagree(just a time travel theory - based on blunt belief what there can’t be falseflags in stories made by GF).
                It is all just that simple banter.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Meanwhile time travel is just clear cut
                >Imagination theory explains why there was Paradoxes in Heath’s time despite no time machine being a thing
                >time travel theory can’t explain why there was Paradoxes in Heath’s time.

                Inb4
                >B-but time travel!!! They just sent them to Heath’s time!!!
                And for what fucking reason?
                No one timtravelcuck ever answered that.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nah, that's the timetravelcuck shit where you ignore all the times the game explicitly tells you there's something wrong with the scenario the professor pushes. Imagination is the only version that ties all together, Carlos, that's why we are right, we consider Turo and Sada's schizo ramblings and all the discrepancies between their story, occulture and a the books and find something that explains it all.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Oh and if it isn't time travel then literally nothing makes sense without a ludicrous amount of headcanon and misinterpretation that disregards the game itself.
              You can even see it in this thread with the people who are denying it being time travel not knowing about things that the game explains like the book containing the Professor's ID, with them coming to the conclusion that the book itself was a key and that any old book could be used.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >with them coming to the conclusion that the book itself was a key and that any old book could be used.
                Not that the book itself was the key just that it was easy to replace the book for one that wouldn't work with the time machine, it's like making a key almost identical with other ones that is easy to mix with the real one. Did you read the posts or are just shitposting?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Oh and if it isn't time travel then literally nothing makes sense without a ludicrous amount of headcanon and misinterpretation that disregards the game itself.

                >Paradox Pokemon
                Let's see, we have Jigglypuff that existed far before the crater or life on the planet did, Volcarona who conveniently has never been indicated to live in that time period and there are no fossils found of it, Salemence which is literally just a bigfoot photo-tier version of the mega, Tyranitar that looks like it's been taken directly from Pokestar Studios, Mega Galladevoir fusion that's apparently built by some scientist, and a literal imaginary Pokemon that we're getting as DLC
                >AI Professor
                Literally wouldn't exist if the original professor didn't wish for help. This is stated.
                >Scarlet/Violet Books
                The only legacy that anything from Area Zero was even real with it implied that the author ran into the legendary in a comatose state
                >Third Legend
                A literal demiurge
                >AI Professor's whereabouts
                IN the demiurge, where it came from in the first place.
                >Time Travel Fags
                As delusional as "mega timeline" fags. There has already been interdimensional and time travel in this series, it's not that deep. There is no time machine in Area Zero, the paradox Pokemon are referred to as such because they didn't exist and never will exist.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're just proving my point. You're under the assumption that Occulture is real when the game itself practically says it isn't. It's not a factor in anything so it doesn't affect time travel or imagination.
                Well I say that it doesn't affect imagination but like another anon said, Turo wouldn't think of a time machine if he was as influenced by Occulture.

                >Literally wouldn't exist if the original professor didn't wish for help. This is stated.
                Also misinterpretation, not to mention it specifies knowledge and not a wish.
                If imagination and wishes were a factor then it wouldn't even be an AI it would just be another copy of the professor.
                >The only legacy that anything from Area Zero was even real
                What?
                The metal slab?
                The markings?
                The herba mystica?
                The sketch of the spiral path down in the crater?
                The crystals?
                Everything in the book we can confirm exists.
                You're laser focused on the paradox pokemon because that's the only thing that hasn't been 100% verified yet but with the imagination theory saying it was 100% made up and the expedition never happened then why would it be so accurate?
                See the problem?

                >A literal demiurge
                There's a lot of alchemy themes in the game, it's more likely a philosopher's stone which also plays into the knowledge and treasure theme. Not to mention the type changing nature of Terastallization. Lead to gold, Fire to Water and so on.

                >IN the demiurge
                Yeah no, the obvious reason why is because the time machine would still be on since it could just spit it out again and the reactivation program would start.
                Unless you headcanon some reason why it couldn't come back which is the imagination theory in a nutshell I suppose.

                >There has already been interdimensional and time travel in this series, it's not that deep.
                Why does it have to be deep?
                Actually, why do you want it to be deep? The whole idea of imagination overcomplicstes things to an unnecessary degree while time travel is just time travel, it's easy to explain.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                We would have fossils of the mons if it was time travel, a real time frame for jigglypuff, and wouldn't have a form that predates mega evolution, a form that predates magnets and a form that predates pokeballs. The future ones wouldn't look like how an average person from 200 years ago would imagine future technology to be like.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm a imagination fag but fossils don't always happen. Most creatures disappear forever and aren't preserved and turn into fossils.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                nta but i think people are losing the plot when they get into the semantics of whether or not we could hypothetically have fossils. the point of the game saying they never found slither wing fossils isn't to start a discussion on fossilization and all possible means of it, it's to shine a light on the fact that zero records of slither wing (or any past paradox) exist anywhere in archeology despite all other ancient dino-mons having enough remains that they could reconstruct them and know when/where they lived and everything.

                the point is that the game is telling us they lack proof showing they ever actually existed in the past, otherwise they wouldnt have brought it up in the first place

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >We would have fossils of the mons if it was time travel
                The real reason we don't have fossils is because it creates a situation where there's more in Scarlet than Violet.
                You can't have a future fossil.

                You people are so fucking retarded.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They aren't contradictory just because you don't understand it.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >we've literally never had a game about time travel
            Isn't that the plot of legends arceus?
            >like this
            like what?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Isn't that the plot of legends arceus?
              Well, it has time travel but unlike SV it's not too important to plot. Its more an extra detail that didn't really need to exist.

              >like what?
              We've never had a pokemon game explore darwinian evolution or touch on time paradoxes.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Well, it has time travel but unlike SV it's not too important to plot.
                What the fuck? It's literally central to the plot, (you) are sent from the future because people and Pokemon are already friends which makes catching for you easy and during the climax of the story you're also cast out because of this, they also use it to get cameos like Ingo in the game, time travel absolutely important to the plot as well as the gameplay.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >It's literally central to the plot
                No, no it isn't. You can remove the fact that you came from the future and nothing about the plot really changes.
                Even the time rifts are just there to throw in pokemon that's shouldn't logically be in the region like Porygon.

                It's not the focal point of the game. Even Ingo didn't need to exist because the only thing he did was lead you through a cave, it's not like you send him back or anything like that, hell, you yourself don't even go back to the present.

                Do you get it now?
                You could cut everything about time travel and nothing changes.
                While a game like Prince of Persia Sand of Time for instance has it ingrained in the plot and as a central mechanic. You can't separate time travel from that game and still have it make sense.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >its more an extra detail that didn't really need to exist.

                >literally the vortex in the sky is called space time distortion
                >Ingo is from the future
                >player is from the future
                >space time distortion with pokemon from the future in the game spawns the entire time
                Plot isn't about time travel because?

                Really dude?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >atleast 2 decades ago?
          >2009
          >2 decades ago
          Retard alert.
          And no HGSS isn't about time travel, it has a single event where we DON'T go back to a whole new era let alone one so far back that pokemon are visibly different or haven't evolved certain traits yet.

          Oh and
          >There's no reason why they'd pussyfoot around with the pokemon from the past or the future when they have done even more outlandish pokemon.
          We have LITERALLY never had anything like Paradox Pokemon before.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >We have LITERALLY never had anything like Paradox Pokemon before.
            Precisely. Paradox Pokemon are the first time a species has been sourced from the imagination.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Paradox Pokemon are the first time a species has been sourced from the imagination
              This is true for the games, not the movies though...

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it should be important to think about the similarities area zero shares with the rest of the paldea region, not just the differences

    > regular wild pokemon still live there and make up the majority of life there (unless you've beaten the story, in which they start to appear more commonly)

    Think about it. Isn't it weird how Area Zero's inhabitants are normal pokemon until you start progressing further down the crater, towards the labs... towards man-made machinery..?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Also towards the hallucinogenic crystals ....

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Hallucinogenic? I suppose if they're able to make you hallucinate something into reality, but I wouldn't bank everything on "they're not real, everyone who goes into Area Zero ends up hallucinating", because you fight Iron Treads/Great Tusk before any exposure to Area Zero. That is without a doubt a plot point written to prevent people from coming to the "you are crazy, they're normal pokemon, you're just tripping balls" conclusion. The prehistoric/futuristic pokemon are real, there's no questioning that.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What's with the billion years ago nonsense in the entries for these things? Genesect is only supposed to be 300 million years old and is called the Paleozoic Pokémon, which implied the Pokémon world has a similar life history to Earth. Modern phyla are only 500 and some million years old. WTF was Jigglypuff doing?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Obviously fake exaggerated nonsense spouted by dubious magazines that the hack professors are up and were so autistic on finding them, the third legendary made them real

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The story goes
      >Heath finds weird feral/robotic pokemon in the pit and writes about what they look like, takes a photo or two
      >cryptid magazines start reporting on them, embellishing Heath’s findings with extra lore about how “dude the pokemon must be from the past/future isn’t that crazy???” to draw in readers
      >professor reads both the book and the articles and decides that the mons must be from the past/future, and that you need a time machine to bring them here
      The second point is worth noting, because Heath’s writing never once mentions the pokemon coming from different time periods- only the magazines do.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >headcanon to excuse the obvious plotholes
        Occulture articles always refer to the Scarlet/Violet Book as their source and Heath was a fucking writer, we have no reason to think occulture added info not writen by Heath himself.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >we have no reason to think occulture added info not writen by Heath himself.
          Not that anon but considering that the magazine is referred to as "dubious" I'd say that gives reason to.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Considering the game explains the Scarlet/Violet Book was seen as a bunch of horsecrap made by a liar as soon people bough and read it I would say Occulture being called "dubious" is perfectly on line with the source material

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >headcanon
          The magazines refer to various hearsay from locals, not the scarlet/violet books exclusively. “Scientists” are mentioned in the Sandy Shocks one for instance. This is notable in the Scream Tail and Iron Thorns cases, in that the magazine attributes their temporal displacement to “rumors” and mentions the similar creature in Heath’s book as only the namesake for the codename.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Scarlet/violet book is 100% factual as we find out during our journey
          >HeAtH mAdE iT uP!

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >photos don't match Long Tusk/Iron Treads details, the drawings don't match photos or reality either
            >even the jungle where they found Long Tusk/Iron Treads is fake, there are no jungles in Area Zero
            >two paradox pokemon confirmed to be DLC material are explicitly said to be imaginary
            >Herba Mystica is only found at titan pokemon lairs, not in Area Zero where it supposedly come from
            >Heath could't possibly see Winged King/Iron Serpent because the only two of each paradox ever retrieved to modern times are in your team
            >the non-crazy person most familiar with the book is the one telling us how bullshit they are, even after the endgame

            >"Scarlet/violet book is 100% factual"
            Why do timetravelfucks don't play the game?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Funny thing is that when i beat the game i was going to search for herba mystica for that teacher quest and the first place i searched was area zero then i learned that it was a rare drop in tera raids lol

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              don't match Long Tusk/Iron Treads details, the drawings don't match photos or reality either
              Photoblur easy the features that are easy to make out are the same.
              >>even the jungle where they found Long Tusk/Iron Treads is fake, there are no jungles in Area Zero
              Human intervention, the labs for instance were made 120 years after Heath's expedition and obviously that would cause some kind of alteration to the terrain.
              >>two paradox pokemon confirmed to be DLC material are explicitly said to be imaginary
              The fact that they're real should tell you that they aren't imaginary and something else is going on. It's not the other way around.
              Mystica is only found at titan pokemon lairs, not in Area Zero where it supposedly come from
              Again, human intervention.
              could't possibly see Winged King/Iron Serpent because the only two of each paradox ever retrieved to modern times are in your team
              Also false we have a time machine that could be used at a later date to send the pokemon back or it was sent and not recorded. They're very plausible explanations but of course you're not interested in plausibility because it ruins your personal headcanon.
              >>the non-crazy person most familiar with the book is the one telling us how bullshit they are, even after the endgame
              I hope you aren't referring to Arven because despite having the book.
              Confirming the existence of the herbs, seeing the metal plate and so on and so forth he still acts like it's a bunch of nonsense.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The fact that they're real should tell you that they aren't imaginary and something else is going on. It's not the other way around.
                >Heath isn't lying!
                >He is only lying when saying that these pokemon are imaginary!
                Ok retard

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >>He is only lying when saying that these pokemon are imaginary!
                Are you an idiot? A lie is misinformation yes but not all misinformation is a lie.

                God this is the mewtwo cloning thing all over again.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Photoblur
                Photoblur would make Long Tusk's look less pointy, but that's exactly the opposite to what happened you fucking retard.

                >a lab built 80 years ago to investigate the nature of Area Zero destroyed the jungle of Area Zero
                You are getting dumber and dumber at every line.

                >The fact that they're real should tell you that they aren't imaginary
                Okay I can't keep pretending you have an argument anymore. Your "100% factual" book says they were imagined, yet you claim the opposite now. I would tell you to make up your mind but you clearly can't, you are as contradictory and full of bullshit as the book.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Photoblur would make Long Tusk's look less pointy
                Which it does. The perspective and the blur makes the tusks look blunt.
                You post a picture because you know that's true.

                >a lab built 80 years ago to investigate the nature of Area Zero destroyed the jungle of Area Zero
                Yes? Did you think that the buildings just proofed into existence down there or something?
                They'd have to prepare an area for the labs and construct them you know. Do you think that they just proofed the labs into existence?
                Well that is the whole crux of the imagination theory isn't it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >photoblur
                NTA but you're kind of a fucking idiot. The drawing and the picture are clearly different from each other which are in turn different from the in game model in ways that cannot be explained away with "motion blur".
                >he really thinks that setting up 4 small outposts, 6 satellite dishes and a lab in a cave would destroy an entire jungle ecosystem.
                Anon just stop.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The drawing and the picture are clearly different from each other
                Yes because one is a sketch from. Memory and the other is a blurred photo.
                And as many people have said there's also possible design changes between the model designers and the artwork designers.

                >>he really thinks that setting up 4 small outposts, 6 satellite dishes and a lab in a cave would destroy an entire jungle ecosystem.
                Yes?
                Major construction like that can in fact destroy ecosystems.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >And as many people have said there's also possible design changes between the model designers and the artwork designers.
                this cope is so fucking funny, yeah bro they internally fucked up one of the central pieces of lore because uh.....it fits my argument lmfao

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >yeah bro they internally fucked up one of the central pieces of lore
                Yes? It's not the first time that's ever happened in a game.
                Pokemon has done it multiple times now.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The time machine doesn't work anymore. If the third legendary gets it going again it'll probe it's an imagination machine.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The time machine doesn't work anymore
                People make so many headcanons about time travel here so i will say that just because you can go back and the time machine is with the lights turned on again that it's working!

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The time machine doesn't work anymore
                The time machine was never destroyed, it was shut down there's a difference.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And can only be used with the book that isn't there anymore.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >And can only be used with the book
                Thats headcanon, any authorised ID could activate it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The ID that was explicitely stated to be in the book ?
                lol

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >If the third legendary gets it going again it'll probe it's an imagination machine.
                What are you even talking about?
                All they would need is another ID to turn it back on.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The fact that they're real should tell you that they aren't imaginary
                Imagination theory never stated they aren’t real. They ARE, however, became real BECAUSE of someone’s imagination/dreams/fears of unknown.
                That is the main point, they are real but they are also made up by people minds, intentionally or not.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't know where else to post this schizo rant so I'll just dump it here cause it's related enough.
    I was looking through my recordings of the professor fight and I noticed this fucking dialogue.
    >Do you imagine you can best the wealth of data at my disposal with your human brain?
    >Do you IMAGINE
    Why the FUCK would he say "Do you imagine" instead of "Do you think"?? I'm going fucking insane. If it's NOT some kind of imagination bullshit with all these fucking hints they are dropping, I'm going to kill myself.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      why does the professor say this and not the AI? doesn’t the professor have a human brain too? Also doesn’t it make more sense that the professor, whose ultimate dream is to do future stuff, would just upload himself to a robots body so he can withstand time travel and go live there?
      and does the game ever say where this hole came from

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's where the 3rd legendary is hiding.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's generally very unclear who or what is talking when. This whole fight seems like a weird schizophrenic struggle between the professor and their own derangement or some shit. It's very strange.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          And another thing I noticed yesterday is this. The AI deliberately specifying "physical body" might imply that there is a non-physical body of some sorts?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That one is easy to explain.
          The AI is the straight forward one.
          Sada is the imprint she left to form the basis of the AI and PPP after she went insane/was possessed by the third legend.
          Sada? Is the real imprint of Sada before being influenced. The one that was excited to give birth to Arven and raise him.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Why the FUCK would he say "Do you imagine" instead of "Do you think"??
      Because he's asking the player if he can comprehend the amount of data.
      It's a hint towards the fact that the third legend is a wellspring of knowledge that can influence and corrupt people as you can see with the real professors.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >imagination theory relies entirely on the Occulture magazines being real
    >it isn't

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >imagination theory relies entirely on the Occulture magazines being real
      So that's why timetravelcucks deny the imagination explanation... they literally don't know how it works. Fucking kek

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Scarlet dex calls the future paradox mons rumor and Violet does the same for the past paradox mons.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    "time machine" needs the book to even work for some reason. People still think it's just a time travel plot at this point?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If you had played the game you would know why it needed the "book".

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >If you had played the game you would know why it needed the "book".
        I'm sorry i might not have played then, can you say why it needed the retarded book?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >can you say why it needed the retarded book?
          Because they didn't really need the book.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It still is retarded to need a book for that though. Why not a card or something else? It's so easy to mix the scarlet/violet book with any other copy.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You're a fucking idiot.
              It WAS a card.
              Sada put her ID into the book, her personal book with her notes in and most likely her name.
              There's no way to confuse a fresh copy of the book with her personal one especially since there would be signs of alterations that she had to make to fit the card into the thing.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >It WAS a card.
                The only retard is you because it was a book, put her ID in something isn't a card retard.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >her personal book with her notes in and most likely her name.
                This is headcanon. We don't know if that book is any diferent from other ones just that it has her ID somewhere in it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Wrong, see

                The book had a lot of emotional value for them. It's actually the copy they've owned since their childhood, indicated by this description. They were eccentric as fuck, it's definitely weird but not completely ridiculous.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The only thing right is the name though. People still mix books with names in it all the time. Nobody would use books as keys, only retards does this.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Imaginationfags truly haven't played this game.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They never explain exactly how the ID is in the book. Is it a card? A tag? Their old trainer ID from the time at the academy? Was it simply written manually in the book? How does the machine "scan" the book (and only the book, it's literally made to fit the book in) to search for the ID? If it's a physical ID why isn't the machine designed for it? It's like making a door that opens not when you put the keys on, but when you introduce a box that may or may not have the keys themselves.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What the fuck are you talking about?
                You're over complicating things.
                The book sitting there is as simple as just adding stoppers around the scanner so it can rest there.
                Anyone else can just tap their ID normally.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >headcanon

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Sentences like this are why normies want to sterilize us and abort us.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The professor is fucking autistic about the book. It's the sole reason they became a researcher. They were completely obsessed with it ever since they were a kid.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes that's the only reason but i don't think a real scientist would be that stupid to use a book as a key for something, but this is pokemon, can't expect much.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The book had a lot of emotional value for them. It's actually the copy they've owned since their childhood, indicated by this description. They were eccentric as fuck, it's definitely weird but not completely ridiculous.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >but i don't think a real scientist would be that stupid to use a book as a key
                You say that but scientists are literally just goofy nerds at heart. You'd be surprised at what kind of shit they would do just to remember that they need to carry something.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You say that but scientists are literally just goofy nerds at heart.
                Yes good nerds not retards. A book so easy to find anywhere isn't a good idea to use as a key to a fucking time machine... Someone can just replace it a write the retarded professor name in it

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You clearly don't understand that handwriting is a thing. Not to mention the Scarlet and Violet book aren't exactly popular after it was deemed as fake.
                In any case its incredibly common to see people do their own little things to keep track of what they need to, back when I was in college we had similar IDs to get in and out and I knew someone who embedded it into their bag so they would never forget it because they never got used to carrying it.
                It's not as uncommon as you think.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You clearly don't understand that handwriting is a thing
                Yes because faking someone handwriting is really hard right?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Why is that stupid? Literally only they and Arven had access to that specific book. It's pretty smart all things considered.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Literally only they and Arven had access to that specific book
                Not true, Heath's book is everywhere just that Arven has it with him because of Mabosstiff quest. Also this

                >You say that but scientists are literally just goofy nerds at heart.
                Yes good nerds not retards. A book so easy to find anywhere isn't a good idea to use as a key to a fucking time machine... Someone can just replace it a write the retarded professor name in it

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Anon are you stupid? It has to be THAT ONE SPECIFIC COPY of the book, not any Scarlet/Violet book.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Don't samefag.
                Also read what he said
                >that specific book
                As in Sada/Turo's copy with the ID.
                They always had it on them until Arven got his hands on it.

                Reading isn't that hard anon. Is that why you believe the ridiculous imagination theory? Because you don't know how to read and filled the gaps in your knowledge with your headcanon

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not talking about imagination here. I'm saying that someone can fake turo name in the book and replace it. It's a retarded idea to use a book as a key.
                >don't samefag
                It was my other comment you retard! I won't write the same thing two times, it's easy to just reply

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Why not a card or something else?
              She put the card into the book. That's literally what this screenshot says.

              >can you say why it needed the retarded book?
              Because they didn't really need the book.

              The book itself was never the key.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What's his endgame?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why are their planets in the background?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why are their planets in the background?

      He lies sleeping, dreaming. He must not awaken, for there will be worlds nor gods no more.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Spooky

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nebbie forma de Lovecraft

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I miss ultra beasts but paradox mons are also cool.
    Just the future mons are not as cool.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >this thread again
    Ask timetravelfags how Heath saw Miraidon despite only two of them being retrieved from "the future" and then watch them come up with retarded headcanon that contradicts the "time machine" rules to justify it.
    >huuuh maybe the kidnapping-pokemon-from-another-time machine took a Miraidon, then Turo somehow, sent it to the past for the lulz and then retrieved it again and he just never recorded any of this for no reason and...??"

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Pokemon: Paradox Pokemon are created through and only limited by imagination
    >One Piece: Luffy actually ate a different fruit that gives him god like powers only limited by his imagination
    Any other anime want to use the imagination card?

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Gee I wonder how come the time machine only sends to the present the cryptid pokemon from occulture/the books. No normal pokemon that happen to live there in the past/future, no other past/future species Heath never saw and recorded in his book, nothing like that at all, the time machine conveniently brings up only the specimens the professor wanted to see as a child.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It'd be pretty funny if the time machine was actually legit and the professor DID get Pokemon from the past/future, but they were just regular Pokemon and the professor just released them because they were looking for the fakemons from the book.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It would be stupidly convenient if out of ALL pokemon that lived/will live in Area Zero the only ones that look different to modern day pokemon are the ones already included in the book. But I guess timetravelfags could believe Heath just happened to find ALL the species that can't be found nowadays. Not a single extinct/future-only pokemon escaped his route, he found them all.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >something millions of people know is real and needed a proper investigation put into it, but the government just ignored it and fact checked it away
    Very daring take on 2020 GF.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why is this still a debate?
    No one genuinely thinks its imagination right?
    Right?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Unfortunately because the imagination theory basically relies on reality warping and creating things from nothing people do in fact think that it's a plausible theory.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Unfortunately because the imagination theory basically relies on reality warping and creating things from nothing people do in fact think that it's a plausible theory.

      IP count didn't increase

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes because I'm this anon

        See [...]
        No one says its true, just plausible.
        There's a world of difference between those two words.

        It wouldn't go up with this post

        Unfortunately because the imagination theory basically relies on reality warping and creating things from nothing people do in fact think that it's a plausible theory.

        Because I already posted.

        This post however

        Why is this still a debate?
        No one genuinely thinks its imagination right?
        Right?

        is a new IP.
        It's not hard to comprehend.

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    SCREAM
    SCREAM TAIIIIIIIIIAAAAAL

    Also special attacker that learns fangs, no you can't create a vampire non-Jigglelpuff or you could, but it'll suck.

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i feel like the game kinda beats you over the head with imagination/wish fulfillment. the treasure hunt is whatever you want it to be -> the "treasure" at the bottom of area zero is whatever the expedition expected or wanted it to be. the dlc paradoxes being in-text fakemon. the terastal hats looking like a projection from the pokemon's mind. vanilla time travel doesn't really tie it together as satisfyingly for the narrative as a whole.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It also works way better with the tera mechanic.
      Using tera crystals to make the user's desires a reality makes way more sense than building a time machine.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Using tera crystals to make the user's desires a reality.
        Problem is it doesn't do that. In fact it's funny that you would pick Penny because hers doesn't change the type of the pokemon. Her Sylveon terastallizes into fairy.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Problem is it doesn't do that
          Are you talking about the time machine using tera energy or the tera type being the type a pokemon wishes to be?
          If it's the former you're just straight up wrong.
          >Her Sylveon terastallizes into fairy.
          How does that disprove anything I said.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            How are you this dense.
            There's nothing in the game that suggests that the crystals can manifest desires. The orbs and AI suggest they're more like batteries that power them.

            >How does that disprove anything I said.
            It's called irony anon.
            Penny says "be who you want to be" but it doesn't actually change?

            Are you autistic or something?

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Game manual for original Metroid refers to Samus as a male
    >This must mean that Samus is actually male even though only the manual calls her male and only does so to not spoil the ending of the game

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It just mean that people that made the game manuals didn't play the game

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the people going around saying that the blurry photos aren't real are sitting there covered in grease typing with sweaty palms and jacking themselves off to their own pathetic attempts to derail the whole thread

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Past Paradox mons are ok but why, why are Future Paradox mons Pokemon? They are just machines!

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >the people going around saying that the blurry photos aren't real are sitting there covered in grease typing with sweaty palms and jacking themselves off to their own pathetic attempts to derail the whole thread

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Is pretending to not notice that both photos have differences really the best attempt at being a moron you can muster

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Gamefreak makes time machine
    >purposefully makes paradox
    >hints in endgame that their existence is a paradox
    >schizos argue imagination vs time travel ad nauseum
    It's a time loop. Both can be true. The paradox will be solved in the DLC. People that keep repeating "it's imagination time travel fags lmao!" ignore the fact that SV are 2 different realities of the same timeline.

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What if there was a Paradox that doesn't look like a Pokemon, but a demonized version of a human?

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the domestication statement sounds even more like bullshit when you look at koraidon he's already a chill creature https://youtu.be/Vzkeb2C8qd0

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Most Pokemon are. It is a world where pretty much every documented kind of creature can become the friend to a child.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >pretty much every documented kind of creature can become the friend to a child.
        only when you brainwash them with your balls

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >AI lies to you to get you to come to area zero
    >AI is locked inside the lab from the outside
    >the Raidon immediately returns to the AI after the door is unlocked
    >AI tells you the only way to shut down the time machine is with the paradox book
    >after PPP is defeated, the AI flees into the time machine with the paradox book that's meant to shut it down
    >time machine is still active after they leave
    It's totally imagination guys and nothing else I swear.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >>time machine is still active after they leave
      It was shut down, but still completely functional.
      The same but different in essence.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It wasn't shut down. The AI enters it and leaves with the book that's supposed to be used to disable it.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No, whatever they did after or offscreen shut down the machine.
          I mean, that was the objective.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >room is still active after the battle with the PPP
            >AI leaves with the supposed key to disable the system
            >DLC involves Heath and more paradox pokemon
            Surely it's disabled and the AI that initially lies to you to enter Area Zero told you the truth that it's shut down. You sure want to argue this one specific point and ignore everything else I said.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Eh, I don't really want to argue it in a serious manner. It's just just a change from dealing with inane wish theories.

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't want to say it but when the AI professor in the finale wants to have an adventure of their own thinking with their own head they're literally making a wish and machines shouldn't do that

    but then in the big ass crater dreams do come true and the impossible happens it's a dream machine

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why would an AI be unable to make wishes if it copies how a human works and a human can do that?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        if they really are a copy of the professors they wouldn't say that bringing pokemon from other eeras was a bad idea they would pursuit it

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How long until the DLC? I'm getting annoyed by this.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      towards the end of february maybe as an annoucement with the national pokemon day

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Heath made it all up! it's all imagination!
    >Heath was given a page from the paradox book that was in his hand writing by another person
    >N-no! That's not real! Imagination!

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Heath was given a page from the paradox book that was in his hand writing by another person
      Why you need to lie about it? Heath wake up with the notes that he wrote and don't remember. Nobody gave to him.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Read the book, moron. The 3rd legendary is referred to as "entity" or "being" in the book and the professor's notes.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yes retard i was talking about this exactly page. Heath wrote the entire thing while sleeping. Stop being a retard.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            He was found unconscious after meeting with this person in an unfamiliar place "as if in a dream". Reading comprehension is hard, I know.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              He was literally found sleeping you fucking retard

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Still doesn't mention anybody giving it to him.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If he didn't write it but it was in his handwriting he was clearly possessed.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >If he didn't write it but it was in his handwriting he was clearly possessed.
          He did write it but like you said was some kind of possession. It's literally "automatic writing" or psychography

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Are time travel fags still at it? I thought they gave up after it was shown the board was overwhelmingly imagination fags.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it's like the same 3 guys now

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If that's the case that's just sad, I wish the DLC comes out son so they can finally be proven wrong and end this argument. Obsessing over this for months can't be healthy.

  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    dubs and it's time travel

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >off by one
      Oh no no no ahahahahaha

  35. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Iron Treads in the the sketch and book don't describe the eyes as strange, so that wasn't a trait held by it at the time.

  36. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Pokemon eyes don't work like eyes.

  37. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There are so many unfunny bored dickwads here just spouting shit to extend a pointless debate

  38. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine if in the DLC Zinnia shows up with a mechanical feathered version of Mega Rayquaza called Iron Feathers or something and says her line

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's fucking stupid.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Which makes it the ideal kind of ending. A hated shows up out of nowhere and hijacks the plot for her own ends.

  39. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Paradox legendaries for DLC are explicitly stated as imagined
    >Timetravelfags are STILL in denial and rather just stick their heads into sand and scream D-DOESN’T COUNT!!! IT IS DIFFERENT!!!
    holy fucking shit, i wonder how hard they be malding when DLC came out

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Heath's sketch artist was a prophet

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Or he was just fed information by discmon.
        I'd say that's the most likely situation.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          This.

          The Disc Pokémon is an Akashic Record, a record of the past and the future. It’s the only way the Paradox of a perfect rendering of a fusion of the Three Beasts could exists, is because the Disc Pokemon was aware before hand, and created a copy formit’s own use.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >and created a copy formit’s own use.
            Or they're just real versions.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Disc Pokémon is an Akashic Record
            That sounds too based to be real

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I mean I think it’s also separate from the Tarasque on top, that is the Third Legendsry that deals with Terastal crystals.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I really hope it's Tarasque-inspired because it would tie even better with Kalos

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah. The third legend matches the description of the Tarasque. “ It’s described as a Lion headed monster, with six pairs of paws of a Bear, the shell of a Turtle, and ending with the scaly tail of a serpent that ends in a spurred shape of an arrowhead,( or half of a fish,) and a mouth full with sword-like teeth as sharp as horns. In French Heraldry, it’s been described as a green (sinople) dragon swallowing a man, with golden scales covering it’s hide.”

                Also the eight Paradox Forms we have, totally 16 in total so far: “The poor locals found out that if the Tarasque devoured eight people in one sitting. then over the next six months it is completely safe. And they set the order for the payment of this nightmarish dues… (this next bit is In reference to a Parade, they have a float pulled by…) Exactly eight - In memory of the Tarasques appetites.”

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Forgot the image…

                There’s also the Tarasque’s Parents:
                Onachus/Bonacho - A goat-like entity that seems to have been a parent of the Tarasque. Repurposed to be a creation of the Third Legendary, based off of the Swords of Justice. “Iron ‘Sword’”
                (Apparently Psychic/Fighting Type, it could perhaps be said so, because the Bonacho flung it’s own feces like an arrow to hit and burn it’s targets)

                Leviathan - A mythical sea-serpent that seems to have been a parent of the Tarasque. Repurposed as the creation of the Third Legend, perhaps into a Water/Dragon(or Water/Fire/Water/Elecrtic) Suicuine Paradox form incorporating both Entei and Raikou… a ‘Mythic Beast’.
                (It’s of note that Paradox Suicune is seen without the notable ‘Draconic/dinosaur’ tail, but Leviathan has been noted to possibly be more than a fish or sea serpent. It has also been described as walking on land, as the root word could be describing a Crocodile; so the definition of ‘Leviathan’ being a four legged beast could be played with loosely here. The root of the name also means ‘to twine;to join’, and as Suicune’s ‘ribbon-like’ tails can twist and come together, applied here it could be a literal interpretation that these entwine to become the ‘tail’. Levithan’s are also chaos incarnate, and what is more chaotic that surging waters.)

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You say that but it has something to do with information and knowledge.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The thread is dying dude, why do you even give a flying fuck?

  40. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >time travel trannies are coping this hard
    Off yourself already time travel cucks

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