Those who dislike it usually cant look pass the surface level. Like this picrel iconic PSM review >it's main fault is its convoluted and confusing storyline >7/10 -- too much plot
>Even after I completed the game, I still couldn't definitely determine what the hell was going on in Silent Hill 2 >it's like reading a poorly written novel lmao was this written by a Gankergay? >I didn't get it so it clearly sucks
Yes, but back then they acknowledged their purpose was making informing us of new releases, their opinions were just a bonus
Now that we don't need journalists to being us the news, their worthless opinions is all they have left
It's 2 for me, by far.
1 was a great start and 3, although still good, was a huge let down imo. 4 took it to interesting places and had some good ideas, but it too flawed. And that fricking henry is soulless af
It played it safe bc the japanese seethed for 2 being so different from 1. There was way too much upper management meddling. The actual writer of 2, Sato, wrote the plot and themes for 3 but due to disagreements he left konami so that was scrapped. Then owaru wrote a whole different story for heather, but konami had other ideas and they made him rewrite it. While 3 is noice, and I digged Valtiel, the rest just wasnt interesting to me -- mostly forgetable characters like douglas and claudia. The most interesting about it was a joke from vincent which amounted to nothing. Still, I'm not saying it's bad, mind you.
What fricking debtae? >1
Jank as frick. Even by PS1 standards it's terrible. The atmosphere of the game is good but it has no greater meaning. Harry is just a spectator in other people's stories. >2
A massive leap forward, no cult bullshit. Pyramid Head has been ruined by how over-hyped it is and the ending is so well known even people who never played Silent Hill knows James killed Mary. >3
Does everything that Silent Hill 1 did but better. Since Heather is actually a focal point of the story and isn't a bystander. Also Heather in general is such a fresh take on a horror game protagonist. Although I think the game is bought down a bit by it's inherit japanese origin, that seeps in from time to time. >4
hahaha, no one likes 4. People meme about liking 4 and those who are unironic only like 4 because it was the first one they played.
4 is another level of jank that makes it nearly unplayable. If 4 is unironically higher than 1-3 then please reassess you opinion.
I appreciate them trying something new with 4. It didn't work out ultimately, but I'd rather they try and fail than to get the same safe cookie cutter product
SH1 is the best game in the series, and calling it "janky" instantly undermines 2-3 as well, as they play exactly the same.
2 and 3 suffer of terrible, restricted world design with next to no real replay value nor challenge.
3 especially is just a pipe runner with no town to explore whatsoever, and only 2 endings.
And obviously a nu-SH2 gay would pull out "muh cult!!" bullshit and shit on the observer role in the story.
I love Sheryl's story in 1, as well is it;s probably one of the very few true examples of surrealism in gaming. It has excellent symbolism as well, as well as the best environments and levels.
Yeah, but that's not a flaw, they have specifically chosen it. You are meant to feel like you've randomly stumbled in Hell. If it was Harry's story directly it wouldn't give that feel. It's Sheryls story, and the way you experience it through Harry's perspective amplify its effect.
SH 1 is a really clean game that plays great even today. There is no padding and the game rewards you for exploring the down with different endings. It's really solid I feel like even a modern zoomer could enjoy playing SH 1 in the 4 hours max it takes to beat it.
Unreachably subwormic post, as anyone who played 1 and 2 knows that first two things you notice is 1 plays the best of all games in the series, oddly enough but I guess that is what you get when you have a director that cares about gameplay even during experimental times of PS1 and second is that there is a lot of care put in the direction. The thing you can argue about is soundtrack which is really close as both games have iconic tracks and you can argue about the story/atmosphere side which is different and great in both.
SH1 is about child abuse and so is the whole series. Even SH2 is really about that with Angela and Eddie. James may not have even killed Mary it may just be his guilty feelings that SH takes advantage of. Not that anyone ever acknowledges that. And SH3 is basically an answer to the abuse.
>James may not have even killed Mary
there's video proof >inb4 it was created by SH2
take meds >inb4 already took them
take more >inb4 why you're being so mean anon
i hurt you bc I want you
I came into this thread expecting to see a lot of 4 hate, and have been pleasantly surprised. It’s always been my favorite, somehow managing to be even more dreamlike than its predecessors, and I love all the interesting things it does with the room and how what it is to you changes over the course of the game. Back in the day I was a bit unfair to 3 because I hated how much more mainstream it seemed, having poppier music, costumes, a plot revisiting 1 instead of something original. I should really replay it again and try to give it a fair shake.
2>1>3>4
1-3 were great 4 was okay last half was kinda annoying. Why is konami so afraid of money the only silent hill on steam is fricking homecoming and that's 40 usd
I haven't played it for a while so I will take your word for it. But something that really grinds my gears is that the game "Until Dawn" completely ripped it off and I've never seen or heard anybody call them out on it.
Until Dawn has exactly the same scenario of the player talking to a psychologist asking them questions and the answers the player gives effecting the game, and the twist/final boss taking place in the psychologist's office. The way it pans out is so similar to where it is a clear rip-off.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>and the twist/final boss taking place in the psychologist's office
Close, but no. The office and the psychologist are imagined by one of the characters and it fades away towards the end.
Basically you'll quickly realize that the enemies will only pop up when the world starts freezing. So as long as there's no ice in sight, you can pretty much chill and check the booba-posters in order to affect cybil's look.
I didnt play until dawn, but I remember the trailers showing the psychologist part which just screamed Shattered memories
3>2>1>4
People who claim 2 is the best are midwits high on Youtuber farts
3 is much more subtle and nuanced, morons just read the surface level narrative and accept it as absolute because there aren't 50 Youtube videos explaining it
1 is amazing and holds up insanely well
4 is worse every time I play it again, though the POV segments in the slowly changing apartment are kino
It's like you homosexuals only started existing when youtube hour-long analysis became a thing. Sh2 sold well outside of jp and was mostly praised for its deep story.
>Lyrics in the UFO ending song mention how after the events of SH3 Heather married some guy and got pregnant >She got divorced afterward and is forced to take care of two kids on her own >Song specifically mentions how she's a very young mother implying that she got married and pregnant at the age of 17 few months after the game
>3 has the best characters
It does? Claudia and douglas are forgettable. Vincent drops a single interesting line that leads nowhere. The incubator goes from a tough cookie to snapping back at monsters like leonard -- 17yo mind you. Harry is extra lazy in this.
Compared to the chars in the other games, 3's has the most complex themes and depth.
2;s characters have cool ideas but nothing much beyond that. I mean do you really think Eddie and Laura are good and interesting characters???
Angela is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. She has a sad backstory - that's it. She has no development, no arc, no relevance to the overall plot and story.
She has a defining trait and that's it. She's well done for what is there, but its very little.
Maria and serves as a macguffing for the mystery. The only complex character in 2 is James. Almost everyone in 3 is as complex as him, and I would say even Douglas is at least as good as 2's characters beyond James.
>She has no development, no arc, no relevance to the overall plot and story.
she's trauma eating away a person, giving up and running away from its eventual engulfing. she's the opposite of james which manages to battle his demons; there's no arc because she's falling and falling. >Maria and serves as a macguffing for the mystery
the maria/mary dynamic is interesting by itself no matter how linked they are to the protag. along the way maria is a thoroughly fascinating and memorable character.
For a character to be such there's no definite rules like arcs, etc. Stop forcing that.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>she's the opposite of James which manages to battle his demons;
That's my whole point. The characters in 2 exists mainly to prop up James arc. By themselves, while well executed, they don't have much going on.
I don't find Maria interesting on her own at all. IMO the domestic situation between James and Mary, while cool in the sense that we don't get much of those in games, isn't anything special either. IMO the strength of 2 is the mystery (internal) and how its unraveled, not the details themselves.
Every character one way or another reflect the themes of guilt, redemption and punishment, each dealing with them in different ways and with different outcomes. Unlike 3 which everyone is centered around the incubator, 2's characters are individuals -- all being relevant to James' ordeal would be contrived and idiotic. You're critiques are of a 3's fanboy.
2 years ago
Anonymous
No. If you dig what 2 has going on you are correct that all its characters serve to prop up James arc. This is good or bad depending on how invested you are in James and the story.
In 3 each character has his own goals, motivations, worldview, and is an independent actor in the world, and on top of all that the came weaves all of them together in a cohesive overall narrative. And since Sheryl is the most interesting character with the story with the most depth and emotional resonance, 3's story and character's are better.
Also I'm not a fanboy of 3, it has terrible level design and pacing. 1 is the best game.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Claudia wants to birth god, while heather and vincent dont. Douglas is along for the ride. Like 2, each have their own goals as to why each take such a stance; in 2 it's why they're in SH in the first place and how their own version of hell reflects some of james'
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah but them being in SH is just a coincidence. They are there to explore a psychological concept or to emphasize/contrast James.
Everyone in 3 has actual impact on the events of the story.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Because the world doesnt revolve around James in 2, it only ends up echoing how guilt takes many forms. In Sh3 it revolves around solely the incubator. Remember that SH2 and 3 have different rules -- in 2 the town plus each one's psyche creates their own personal hells. In SH3 only the incubator does it (much like alessa) but this time with a bit of influence from claudia
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Because the world doesnt revolve around James in 2
Narratively it literally does. >In Sh3 it revolves around solely the incubator.
No it doesn't. The story in 3 revolves around past and how you deal with it in the present. Incubator is a macguffin for that theme, its not the driving force.
James Eddie and Angela are all linked. They're all killers, and Eddie/Angela reflect different angles of the crimes James has commited. Eddie is the sociopath who is totally responsible and owns it, Angela is someone broken by abuse and is arguably the least responsible (but can't live with it, ultimately, and takes her own life).
James is a character who stands between the two. Seeing how Angela and Eddie deal with their trauma gives James room to work through his own baggage and how he needs to accept what he's done.
They aren't characters who come across new trials/tribulations and develop, it's not that kind of a story. The big inciting incidents of the story have already taken place, and we're very much in the aftermath. The development is seeing where they're destined to end up. You're not meant to look at them as different characters, hell even the puzzles in the game tie them together.
Honest to god anon, this is all on the screen, evident in all their cutscenes, it's genuinely not difficult to parse.
Nothing bait about it. I've probably beaten homecoming over 100 times and absolutely love everything about it, as for the rest, the order might change depending on my mood.
I guess I never really understand the detest the game receives. I'm not saying it's a perfect game. However, it still has incredibly atmosphere, a 'cozy' rundown town setting, amazing ost, solid enemy designs, including some of the best boss designs/fights the series has to offer. I enjoy the story for what it is, and the twist at the end (even if predictable) worked well.
It's started the pyramid head milking and the end completely goes against his skills as a soldier throughout the vidya. also not scary. also super sexy nurses like sh2.
It apes too much of 2 plus some saw influences
2 years ago
Anonymous
Pyramid Head has always felt like the SH mascot to me. I have no problem with him showing up whenever.
I've played them all and none of them (maybe 4) are considerably scary in any shape or form.
I have no issue with references or borrowing from other games. The intro to Homecoming is a homage to Jacob's Ladder -- I enjoy those kind of nods.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Borrowing stuff exclusing to james' psyche -- a favorite to many in the west -- will ofc sour many fans on it
>I guess I never really understand the detest the game receives.
What is so hard to understand about a bad game with terrible writing, terrible gameplay, terrible world design, plus a terrible and generic as frick enemy design getting bashed?
Yeah, it may not be as bad as the Downpoor, but it's still far below average as a SH game, and wouldn't be even discussed any more without the title.
Pyramid Head has always felt like the SH mascot to me. I have no problem with him showing up whenever.
I've played them all and none of them (maybe 4) are considerably scary in any shape or form.
I have no issue with references or borrowing from other games. The intro to Homecoming is a homage to Jacob's Ladder -- I enjoy those kind of nods.
>Pyramid Head has always felt like the SH mascot to me
That just means that you started "playing" them after The Movie or something. Team Silent never used him as a mascot for anything, that was Robbie's role.
>I've played them all and none of them (maybe 4) are considerably scary in any shape or form.
That just means that you're a sociopath that lacks capability of immersion.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Nothing is going to change Homecoming being my favourite. It's really that simple. I love the series as a whole. I've beaten them all more times than I can count. Homecoming just clicked for me. That doesn't mean I believe it's necessarily better than the others.
I've played all 4, origins Ana shartted memories in release order
And 4 is the one that has stuck up with me the most
4 is legit scary, the scariest out the 4 by dar, it has like a aura or something
Y also liked Henry being autistic and the lore/history is the Best one of the series, i think people don't like the Game just because escorting Eileen plebfilters most of the players, that and the backtracking
If SH4 was remade it would be the Best Game in the series hands down
3 is the best, there is nothing to discuss
1 is almost unplayable, janky shit
2 is absolute reddit and one of THE most overrrated games ever made
4 is just an ok game, barely a SH one
I just finished playing SH2 and I must say that despite everything James is a really nice and kind-hearted man deep down. It's a big shame that there's no ending where he saves and marries Angela. He could really fix her and change her negative view about men.
>It's a big shame that there's no ending where he saves and marries Angela.
Yeah, because a middle-aged murderer marrying a 16 year old abused, suicidal and homocidal teenager would totally end well and fit the game's themes.
But that is exactly what the SH fujoshits have been dreaming about for a good 20 years now.
It's not the first time characters' age has been upped for international releases. Plus BoM was a fine "official" source back in 2004, but proven to be full of blatant mistakes.
Angela is actually 19 and James killed Mary only after months of emotional and mental tortures of having to watch her slowly die in a hospital bed every single day which would brake any normal person but ok.
I don't know why SH2 fans are so against the idea of """""good""""" ending where James saves Angela, while at the same time being completely fine with the game having a """""good""""" ending where James adopts Laura.
Bc laura and mary created a bond during her stay which led to james' also creating one over the whole repentace. angela is doomed for the get go bc she's unable to let go/rise above the trauma. this is not a VN where if james plays his cards right he could also bumfrick eddy
>this is not a VN where if james plays his cards right he could also bumfrick eddy
Funny that (you) say that because Team Silent literally made a Visual Novel version of SH1 with multiple story routes and endings. Shame that they never made more visual novels based on SH2,3,&4. It's also really tragic that Cybil route is incomplete to this day and will probably remain on some dusty Konami's hard drive forever because nu Konami doesn't give a frick about re-releasing any of the Silent Hill or Metal Gear games, they only reased Castlevania collections for some reason.
>I don't know why SH2 fans are so against the idea of """""good""""" ending where James saves Angela,
You got it backwards.
I have no idea why Americans are constantly demanding a happy happy joy joy Disney movie finales for every media product they consume.
>ending where James adopts Laura
a fan-fic headcanon outcome, not confirmed.
Angela doesn't want to be saved in the first place.
Marriage is just some nonsense that anon came up with, saving her is one thing.
But she is right in that James would just rescue her out of some savior complex but then immediately drop her right out the entrance to SH.
But the whole point is that James is incapable of taking care of Angela and he doesn't really love her. That's why she asks that from him, because she knows he can't give that to her.
Only "good" ending should be James emerging from the town, back to the public toilet he started from and saying "frick this shit and these crazy ass b***hes". Then walk away into the formerly blocked tunnel on the highway.
Seeing as james stomps like a woman, I'd imagine he drives like one too. Too dangerous especially in his mental state
2 years ago
Anonymous
Just imaging the water ending but instead of James' little monologue it's just a monotone "oops" and instead of the letter reading it's a trumpet going "wa wa waaaaaaaaa".
>He could really fix her and change her negative view about men
Gonna second what the other anon said to you. Some people can't be fixed. If Angela could be fixed I highly doubt James is in the right mental state by their last meeting to even begin helping her. James himself even knows if anyone can fix her it's not him.
>it was the intention
no, they wanted to appeal to western audiences so the american filming crew became the protags >picrel is interview with director and cowriter keiichiro
It's an alternate version of 1 with different or additional characters. It's pretty good. It has an enjoyable horror TV show vibe with "Previously on Siren Blood Curse..." recaps and previews, but in some ways it suffers from being released episodically. You have to run through the same maps as different characters a few times. The American version is censored in some way so you might want to import a PAL copy.
At this point she already boxcutted a shit ton of enemies, including the one that btfo harry, and is such a tough cookie that in 5min she's about to insult leonard to his face. Why was she so creeped out by a call
my personal one is 4>2>3>1
sh4 is actual peak schizo vidya, its just a shame that the game feels so "incomplete" especially on the second half of the game, because i think the first half is genuinely incredibly solid.
But even with that there's alot of shit that i like on the second part, having a psychotic human following you around in strange worlds instead of a monster like pyramid head was a really cool and interesting concept, the ghost hauntings that show up in your room were fricking kino aswell, there's alot to love in this game and i will always embrace it even with all of its flaws.
just clinging to your post to talk more about the unfinished ideas in SH4, are there interviews or some shit where they talk about stuff that was left on the drawing board? Kinda like the mutilations/exploding nurse heads in SH2
Silent Hill 4 is the good last entry in the series and I'm tired of pretending it's not. The story is great, the atmosphere is fantastic, songs like Room Of Angel, Tender Sugar, Your Rain, and Wating For You are one of the best and most beautiful pieces of music that Akira Yamaoka ever composed in his entire carrier, and the whole game is just incredibly original, unique and creative. It's the last game in the series made by Team Silent and it really shows with its fantastic way of presenting symbolism, storytelling, and atmosphere. The whole game has that one-of-a-kind style that only the original Team Silent could have created. It's really rushed in a lot of areas because of a split in the team at the time and because it only had like 1,5 years of development time thanks to Konami's idea of turning the series into a yearly franchise because of their ever-growing corporate greed but it doesn't change the fact that despite all of it SH4 is still a good game.
Henry is a great anti-social NEET introvert protagonist that you don't see very often in video games, and Elieen is best girl in the series just behind Heather.
Henry visited silent hill before if you check his photos and montages. Silent hill is an amorphous concept. Staying in the same apartment has the guy who was performing one of the Order's rituals plus the above would be more than enough
Everything in this game works by the rules, established in previous games. It's design and atmosphere is absolutely in line with 1-3 as well.
How superficial is your perception of those games if absence of town, fog and radio immediately means >it ain't no silent hill!
for you?
In first 2 games the town is the main character but 4 deliberately avoids it. I'm not the anon proposing it's not SH in any regards but the whole "Silent Hill 4" part of the title doesn't work since it doesn't play like previous 3 nor takes place in that town. Simply calling it "The Room" or "Room 302" would've been better, like a spin-off of sorts.
The main character of 1 is alessa and her powers. The 2nd one is james psyche together with the towns otherwordly machinations, the 3rd one is the incubator wherever she's atm. And the 4th one is about the guy who dabbled in the order's rituals -- same order that makes the town what it is.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I was being more literal. You're not walking around a foggy town like in previous games, this time Henry's apartament is the center of the game's attention. Lorewise it mashes together everything from previous games, so it is a SH game, just not at face value.
2 years ago
Anonymous
But are you saying that's a bad thing? Consequent (western) SHs did the foggy town all the time ie never approached 4's interesting take nor kino experience. Team Silent did it thrice, with the 3rd game being in direct response to SH2 being hated in Japan. By the 4th entry they figured that for it to remain interesting and fresh (especially for them) some motifs would have to go away or at least mutate.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>But are you saying that's a bad thing?
No, not at all. I just think SH4 title doesn't fit the game and is probably the reason many didn't like it. Though P.T. was basically the same thing and everyone went nuts over it because la creatividad made it
>During development all the male members of Team Silent wanted Heather to dress really conservatively, mature, and wear pants >All the female members wanted her to look a lot more girly, young, cute, and dress in much more revealing and sexy outfits showing her legs and such >Female members won and made official renders like pic related to promote the game and this idea even more
The dudes had her personality and backstory in mind >weird, essentially different gal from the others >always carrying around a boxcutter to feel safe
etc, while the women had the escapism in mind >girl must look qt else I wont play it
Same happened with Raiden: Kojimbo asked teenage girls if they enjoyed MGS and they said Snake was too old and boring, so he made Raiden -- it's his own words.
Hm. Also, Heather was raised by a single father. All girls I know that are such are conservative af and Tomboy--ish, so pants would make more sense. Girly ones that paint their hair and wear short skirts and all raised by single moms. Interesting observation, anon
The dudes had her personality and backstory in mind >weird, essentially different gal from the others >always carrying around a boxcutter to feel safe
etc, while the women had the escapism in mind >girl must look qt else I wont play it
Same happened with Raiden: Kojimbo asked teenage girls if they enjoyed MGS and they said Snake was too old and boring, so he made Raiden -- it's his own words.
If the same japanese chicks had given their opinions for 2, angela wouldnt dress older/uglier due to her androphobia but would instead be a sexy schoolgirl
I actually just beat SH 1 2 3 and 4 in a row in that order with no previous experience with the series so let me break it down for you.
2>1>3>4 is the correct rating of the games as overall experiences and anyone placing 4 placing 4 above any of the others either hasn't played it but thinks it "sound good on paper" or it was their first SH and they have unwarranted nostalgia for it.
1-3 are all great games and I would accept any ordering of them (3 could be the top because it is actually the scariest for instance) but frick anyone who thinks 4 is a hidden gem or some undervalued master piece.
It has NO puzzles (core SH gameplay IMHO) the water prison is literally just lining up holes and then there is the phone number from the billboard. that's it. They require no thought or effort to figure out. The actual GAMEPLAY is somehow worse then the first 3 which lets.be honest play pretty rough. They give you TWO guns and they both suck. You have to abuse iframes on melee weapons and it feels terrible. The ghosts are not scary at all. They are a minor annoyance at best and are animated so terribly. All the monsters are just awful and lame. The sounds they use for most of the game are lifted directly from a "jungle animal noises" CD someone borrowed from the library. You only hear the good songs maybe THREE times in some cutscenes. Walter is non threatening and can be easily beaten up if you ever get harassed by him. He glitches out frequently and runs in circles or get stuck in his gun raising animation. THE LEVEL DESIGN IS AWFUL COMPARED TO THE FIRST 3. The water prison is just circles, the woods of silent Hill is like...8 square rooms that are basically copy pasted. The hospital is 1 floor connected to a long hallway filled with wheelchairs(lame not spooky). The subway is probably the best level in the game and it's still repetitive and shitty. The apartments are just boring.
The inventory system is awful. I like the idea of limits but the fact I can't just throw away things to pick up other things makes no sense and creates more backtracking in a game full of back tracking.
The murder victims are LOL worthy. Richard getting fried in the chair had me dying of laughter.
Henry is the worst protagonist ever. You joke about autism but he has literally no emotional reaction to anything. He is worse than a Harem protagonist. Eileen is the actual compelling character in the game and I will say she is easily the best character there.
Speaking of Eileen, we all know about the back tracking. Actually PLAYING the areas again is awful and boring. There is nothing new. You have to visit Wells in the forest and...I think that's the only revisit with a different mechanic. Eileen is actually pretty competent too as an escort character she can't die and can actually do good damage but they really just make you walk back through 4 terrible levels slightly slower.
There are no bosses except the last 2 which I thought might be nice because bosses are not the series strong point. Really though the wallman is just a puzzle and Walter is once again not threatening and easy to cheese with iframes. The only tense part is being fast enough to save Eileen for the good ending.
The story is also super weak. the entire meat of the plot is told through memos which there are 52 of and half of them just get handed to you under your door between levels. You barely see any other character except Eileen. Walter is the second best character but really his motives are held together with dental floss but I'll let that pass as cult stuff in the entire series is kinda stupid when you look at it closely.
Now the actual first person Room part. People say that's amazing and they love it. It's not amazing at all. It's so boring. Half the game you just heal in your room and save. then the "hauntings" start which are just lame little jump scares. OH NO MY COUCH IS COVERED IN BLOOD! AHHH MY SHOES MOVED!!! UH OH THE CLOCK IS TICKING!!! Absolute garbage "horror" moments. The first person parts are stupid and awful but they give you a break from the even worse third person parts so maybe that's why people think it's so amazing. Seriously 4 is such a shitshow game reading the reasons people like it in this thread make my head spin. Someone said it was subtle or had good symbolism? No it did not, you're thinking of silent Hill 2 or even 3. 4 is just such a pile of garbage there is no reason to like to better then the first 3 it does NOTHING better then any of them.
The inventory system is awful. I like the idea of limits but the fact I can't just throw away things to pick up other things makes no sense and creates more backtracking in a game full of back tracking.
The murder victims are LOL worthy. Richard getting fried in the chair had me dying of laughter.
Henry is the worst protagonist ever. You joke about autism but he has literally no emotional reaction to anything. He is worse than a Harem protagonist. Eileen is the actual compelling character in the game and I will say she is easily the best character there.
Speaking of Eileen, we all know about the back tracking. Actually PLAYING the areas again is awful and boring. There is nothing new. You have to visit Wells in the forest and...I think that's the only revisit with a different mechanic. Eileen is actually pretty competent too as an escort character she can't die and can actually do good damage but they really just make you walk back through 4 terrible levels slightly slower.
There are no bosses except the last 2 which I thought might be nice because bosses are not the series strong point. Really though the wallman is just a puzzle and Walter is once again not threatening and easy to cheese with iframes. The only tense part is being fast enough to save Eileen for the good ending.
The story is also super weak. the entire meat of the plot is told through memos which there are 52 of and half of them just get handed to you under your door between levels. You barely see any other character except Eileen. Walter is the second best character but really his motives are held together with dental floss but I'll let that pass as cult stuff in the entire series is kinda stupid when you look at it closely.
I played all the team silent games and i would say all of them are good. People that say to avoid sh4 is mostly because they saw a gay youtuber say that. Dont get me wrong sh4 is the worse of the 4 games but still better than most games.
I love that you don't recommend playing the game because it's true SH4 might have some interesting lore around it but it's barely even presented in that garbage game. Read a wiki and your good, you are as much of a fan as the rest of the people that praise that mess.
Douglas has as much to his character as characters in 2 - he has a backstory. I think him even helping Heather based on his past makes him having more of an arc than anyone besides James in 2. Even the weakest 3 character has more going for him than anyone outside of James in 2.
Yes, his backstory isn't as interesting as Angela, and since 2 focuses more on the internal/psychological, its not explored in as interesting a way, but in the end if the day if you compare based on writing and what is there, rather than what is implied/abstracted, even Douglas has more going for him from a craft of writing/narrative perspective. Not to mention he actually has impact on the plot, which most of 2's characters don't.
It's nowhere near comparable. You unravel Angela's story through interesting, memorable encounters and notes sprinkled throughout the entire game. Like Eddie, her story and personality serve as a perfect foil to James', showing the different outcomes that similar issues can lead to in different people. Getting to peak into Angela's pocket of Silent Hill through the Abstract Daddy boss fight and the burning staircase not only results in some of the most iconic, impactful scenes in the game but also illuminate further on how exactly the town's magic works. The same can be said for Eddie's scenes, but they aren't quite as effective.
Douglas on the other hand is essentially just along for the ride, not really doing anything but serving as a helper character for Heather until at the very end of the game he gives a brief exposition dump about his son. Unlike Eddie and especially Angela, Douglas' backstory doesn't really have any bearing on the story of SH3 as a whole, it's just a lore blurb that gets dropped in an unimportant scene that isn't terribly memorable. His "backstory" is nowhere near as fleshed out as Angelas. his role in the immediate plot is totally inconsequential, and the manner in which his story is delivered is lackluster. It doesn't help that he's the most cliche "hardboiled detective" archetype imaginable. I love SH3, but it's story is just "okay" and nowhere near as good as in 1, 2, or 4.
None of what you describe about Angela is interesting or meaningful to me. Not to say Douglas is high literature - they are the same to me, the distinction is in the focus of the execution for me.
Obviously how interesting it is boils down to subjectivity, but its an objective truth that Angela is far more fleshed out and relevant to the story as a whole.
Spookiness in 2 doesn’t really start up until the Hospital and then the Prison. But after that it ramps down during the hotel for necessary story reasons
SH1 forever, no game gave me that level of anxiety
SH2 is great but too easy (and hard mode sucks ass)
SH3 could be perfect, but I still love 1 more, maybe nostalgia glasses IDK
SH4 was the only one to make me feel the same anxiety but in a different way, great game, love spying on my neighbor
1 is such a creepy game and there's nothing quite like it. There's something so peculiar about it that they've never quite been able to capture again. It's the best in the whole franchise even if other games have more polish to them.
What do you mean by polish? I don't think any other game is as polished as 1. Especially in terms of level design and environment, and I would argue even animations during gameplay.
The thing that separates 1 from the rest, and from other games in general imo is that 1 is an actual work of surrealism, while the rest of the game merely have an influence or moment here or there.
This.
SH1 at least attempted to make the TOWN one major draw of the game. Actually getting to explore a believable looking small city resulted much less linear approach and plenty of replay value. The sequels toned down the actual town-roaming a ton, and we've yet to return to the Old Silent Hill areas even once.
>chud seething about imaginary ''stronk women'' and ''abortion'' agenda counts as argument to him
i always knew Reddit Hill 2 gays are sub-60 IQ subhumans
nta but plebbit is all about praising strong women and is mostly proabortions you brainlet just kys
2 years ago
Anonymous
Why do people who despise Reddit know so much about it? I couldn't tell you shit about how that place works, it'd require me to care long enough to learn.
2 years ago
Anonymous
reddit = cringe, bad
Ganker = cringe, bad but I agree with it
2 years ago
Anonymous
many picrels showing it locking based shit as soon as it gets going, and propping up absolute homosexualry
2 years ago
Anonymous
>
>imaginary agenda
lmao moron exposed as an actual pedditor. go back
we're talking about SH3 game not the Reddit website you morons
are you chuds going too far to claim SH3 is actually woke and Heather is troony? oh wait i do remember seeing a Gankemoron calling SH3 a troony game so i guess you Reddit Hill 2 chuds really reached that point of mental breakdown
2 years ago
Anonymous
Is SH2 woke and is james a troony?
2 years ago
Anonymous
anon pointed out that 3 lines more with plebbit's shit and now you're moving goalposts with muh troony. homosexual
2 years ago
Anonymous
>anon pointed out that 3 lines more with plebbit's shit
sure thing homosexual, yo didn't point shit, there is no woke agenda in SH3, you're just an assblasted chud mad at the sight of someone not liking Reddit Hill 2
2 years ago
Anonymous
>says reddit hill 2 >anons says doesnt SH3 have X and Y tho? >YOU DIDNT POINT OUT SHIT
It wasnt me but ffs go eat a bullet ya nonce.
2 years ago
Anonymous
(You) playing as Heather makes you a troony. Where's my gold medal?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>be a redditor >play as Heather in SH3 >Wow! it's like am a real girl! >submits a post in Reddit calling Heather an icon of the LGBT
i won't be surprised if that was their reasoning
>zero arguments
go twerk to your pop intro, lad >I'd sit around and cry for your loooove
nta but plebbit is all about praising strong women and is mostly proabortions you brainlet just kys
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we're talking about SH3 game not the Reddit website you morons
are you chuds going too far to claim SH3 is actually woke and Heather is troony? oh wait i do remember seeing a Gankemoron calling SH3 a troony game so i guess you Reddit Hill 2 chuds really reached that point of mental breakdown
wtf is wrong with you people, does reddit make you write this unhinged baby speach??
Checkd. And dont forget that it had the input of women to the point of changing the protag
The dudes had her personality and backstory in mind >weird, essentially different gal from the others >always carrying around a boxcutter to feel safe
etc, while the women had the escapism in mind >girl must look qt else I wont play it
Same happened with Raiden: Kojimbo asked teenage girls if they enjoyed MGS and they said Snake was too old and boring, so he made Raiden -- it's his own words.
Hm. Also, Heather was raised by a single father. All girls I know that are such are conservative af and Tomboy--ish, so pants would make more sense. Girly ones that paint their hair and wear short skirts and all raised by single moms. Interesting observation, anon
no wonder it was the iteration that made yamaoka go all homosexual
It's not as good as I remember it, it's peak aesthetics, but the plot is kind of a mess and not in a good way, I think it was trying to strike lot's of serious emotional chords and it falls flat on most of them. Tim Robins is still great
3 is a hallway. Only marginally above movie game. While we're on movies, they all ake influence from them but 3 gets it from Japanese goofy pulp horror instead of kino.
It would be rightfully rated the worst of all four if not for the waifu-bait protagonist. Yes, Heather is waifu bait the same way as "anti-heroes" are just a subcategory of heroes.
To each their own, I love the aesthetics of decrepit Japanese mansions like the Himuro Mansion and the Manor of Sleep, and narratively these games have a more historical focus than a psychological one, it's more about learning the ins and outs of regional rituals and how they went horribly wrong. I think it's as good, it's just very different in its quality as they end up quite oppressively dark and depressing in their own way.
Fatal Frame 1 is a classic game
Reddit Frame 2 is overrated
Fatal Frame 3 is great and the best in the series
Fatal Frame 4 is good but the shitty motiion controls are holding it down
Coomer Frame 5 is garbage, absolute filth, most of the attention it got was from assblasted coomers and chuds seething about the censored swimsuit costumes
>Oh frick off with this.
it's true, Reddit Frame: The Miss Adventures Of The e-girl Twins is the FF equivalent to Reddit Hill 2
both are vastly overrated and taking most of the attention and recognition the other better games in the series deserves more
and it's hands down the least scary title out of the triology >Spirit Camera for 3DS?
we don't talk about it, same way we never talk about SH Book Of Memories
some mistakes are better left forgotten
>says reddit hill 2 >anons says doesnt SH3 have X and Y tho? >YOU DIDNT POINT OUT SHIT
It wasnt me but ffs go eat a bullet ya nonce.
SH2 and FF2 are both overrated but mostly because they're the easiest games of their respective series. Both of them are polished and accessible starting points and the only real thing to hold against them are homosexuals saying they're the best ones because they got filtered or didn't even try the others. But on their own they are both very good games, just not the best ones.
I liked Spirit Camera and honestly, it was my first Fatal Frame. That said, it is basically spooky Face Raiders and it's only 2 hours long. The worst thing about it (aside from it reportedly starting as a FF1 remake before Nintendo intervened) is that the 3DS camera is so shit that you basically have to play it in daylight so it can read the AR book. But as a game I liked it for what it was.
Pitting them against each other is completely moronic. Beyond both being fixed camera survival horror there are no similarities. That being said, FF 1-3 are great. The sequels improved on 1s foundation but I feel like 1 was a lot creepier, the ghosts were weirder and less human and they kind of lost that in the sequels.
>dude those two franchises from the same genre are totally different, it makes no sense to compare them at all!!!
go back to r*ddit you homosexual, you kind contribute nothing to any conversation
>most ITT are underage
highly doubt it, underage gays in this day and age playing SH is an unrealistic scenario
the games are tool old for them, the only exception might be them watching a playthrough of Reddit Hill 2 or maybe even playing it after their favorite e-celeb shills it to them
This. Since the silent hill games are not available on anything current except for the old port of SH4 on GOG no zoomers are playing them. I hope that SH2 and 3 come to GOG. I don't have my old pc CD ROM copy of 3 anymore and I'd love to see 3 get an enhanced edition patch like 2 did.
she was unmemorable as frick, the only thing i remember about her is Harry fricking her on a boat or some shit
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SH1: emulate it on Duckstation
Reddit Hill 2: google the Enhanced Edition
SH3: download it from IGG or some other website and read it's PCgaminwiki page for the patches ad fixes you need
SH4: get the Gog version legally or illegally
Origins: emulate it on PPSSPP
Homecoming: same steps as SH3
Shattered Memories: emulate it on PPSSPP or PCSX2
Downpour: emulate it on RPCS3
Homecoming is on Steam btw. But for some reason you have to play it on 720p or it fricks up. Not really worth it tbh. Doesn't have the vibe of the original games. Way too Americanised.
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Yeah lost highway, thanks anons
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Jacobs ladder pretty good movie. A shame not too many people watched it.
The plot of Jacobs ladder is boring af. Everyone only remembers it for the hellish iconography of the interiors that SH3 ripped off pretty well.
That's because every single SH thread is >I want to frick Heather >REDDIT hill 2 is overrated >implying any game after 1 is good >1 is dated >bickering about whether 4 is the magnum opus of the series or irredeemable unplayable dogshit >[insert the current bullshit new SH game rumor of the week]
We are never getting a new SH anon. Hideo Kojima fricked it with too much hype at the wrong time.
God I love American writing.
Shattered memories was a decent game aside from those Reddit tier sections where you have to run away from monsters and get a flare out.
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wtf is wrong with you people, does reddit make you write this unhinged baby speach??
SH2 is liked by a lot of zoomers who listen to yahtzee whereas Sh3 is shit on for the same reasons. It's been a thing forever.
this homosexual here is the a big reason why zoomers and redditors jerks off only to 2 and thinks everything after it was bad, his entire video can be shortened to ''SH3 is bad because it's not like Reddit Hill 2!''
2 years ago
Anonymous
I hate that furry cuck
2 years ago
Anonymous
Imagine building your worldview around what an youtuber said to the point you rename a vidya in response. 2 was always well-received and praised even then, by both journos and gamers alike. The only ones seething were the japanese bc it was too different from 1, the same people that gobble up samey Dragon Quests for breakfast
2 years ago
Anonymous
all those reviews are a proof Reddit Hill 2 was a trendy shilled game since day 1
it's like Elden Ring getting all those 10's despite the glaring flaws in it
Reddit Hill 2 had tons of flaws mainly the shitty gameplay (mostly the combat), the gameplay is the most important aspect of a game and for a game with a terrible or the very best a decent gameplay getting a 10/10 score from most reviewers is a definite proof something really wrong is going on >Inb4 b-b-but gameplay doesn't matter in horror games! it's okay if Reddit Hill 2 has god awful gameplay it's still Le masterpiece!!!
kys
2 years ago
Anonymous
You're moving goalposts and then go for an absolute strawman. You first claimed that it was because of a youtuber, now you're saying reviews from 2001 are prove that (...)
This is the sole reason you're seething over 2: you're braindead.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>You first claimed that it was because of a youtuber
when did i say that you moronic subhuman? i said the false narrative that ''2 is the only good game in the series and the others are bad because they aren't like it'' is a Youtube/Reddit invention
but Reddit Hill 2 being an overrated piece of shit has been known since day 1, why do you think the SH movie featured Reddit Head? why do you think Origins ripped him off and why Homecoming milked him? and why do you think after game after 4 was just copying Reddit Hill 2 plot? yes my dear redditor your shit game was already overrated and jerked off by the lowest common denominator of gamers and jornos
2 years ago
Anonymous
>it's shit because it was copied and milked
show me where the red pyramid touched you
2 years ago
Anonymous
it's overrated because the movies and future games milked it over and over
how do you cope with that? every redditor and
zoomer knows who is your precious Reddit Head and call themselves fans of him lol
2 years ago
Anonymous
lmao holy shit you're actually moronic
2 years ago
Anonymous
i accept your concession Redditor-kun
2 years ago
Anonymous
dude has been saying reddit every 2 words non stop, what hints did you need to figure it out?
2 years ago
Anonymous
stfu Black person. ffs this brainlet completely ruined a comfy thread
2 years ago
Anonymous
>no argument
typical Reddit Hill 2 gay
2 years ago
Anonymous
SH threads haven't been comfy for a decade now. 2012 was not a good year for this series.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>it's okay for combat to be shit
i bet you are one of those homosexuals believing that the shitty gameplay in Reddit Hill 2 was intentional to immerse you in the rile of James an average man with no combat training
oh and tell me how the bad voice acting was intentional as well to make it feel like a Lynchian movie you homosexual
kys
>no mention of 4
go back to r*ddit you gayggot
>Reddit Hill >Reddit Head >r*ddit
holy rent free
2 years ago
Anonymous
>still no argument
kek, not even worth a (you)
2 years ago
Anonymous
he's /our/ barry
2 years ago
Anonymous
who the frick is barry? please do not bring online drama from other fanbases here, this isn't reddit
2 years ago
Anonymous
You know exactly who Barry is, since you're following his playbook to the letter. Shit, you might just be Barry, getting tired of JRPG threads.
2 years ago
Anonymous
whatever you say redditor
2 years ago
Anonymous
the way barry gets assblasted whenever someone shows some love for SH2 just makes 2 even greater.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>this game makes someone butthurt and this makes me like it even more
that's called contrarianism
2 years ago
Anonymous
it solidifies its filtering power. barry got filtered and has been seething all over ITT
2 years ago
Anonymous
Reddit Hill 2 sucks
2 years ago
Anonymous
>IF IT'S MILKED AND OTHERS LIKE THE MILKING THEN IT MEANS THE ORIGINAL SUCKS
This is where you're at. You argue like a woman but you'll never be one.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>redditor reading comprehension
kek, i was explaining to your inbred ass that Reddit Hill 2 and Reddit Head are overrated getting milked and ripped off constantly
as for the matter of the original work sucking or not then the answer is obvious, yes they fricking sucks and it does not need explaining
2 years ago
Anonymous
please stop saying Reddit Hill, you sound brain damaged
2 years ago
Anonymous
>mainly the shitty gameplay (mostly the combat), the gameplay is the most important aspect of a game
Survival horror is an interesting genre in part because the mechanics AREN'T the most important part, tone and atmosphere are. SH in general has shitty gameplay but that's in service to the narrative of everymen stuck in a nightmare scenario. James Sunderland isn't Chris Redfield and neither was Harry Mason, they literally aren't fit for combat. In a survival horror game, it's okay for combat to be shit so long as you have alternatives to solve problems. Unfortunately, this generally means the boss battles are shit but eh, that's a genre wide problem and not just Silent Hill.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>it's okay for combat to be shit
i bet you are one of those homosexuals believing that the shitty gameplay in Reddit Hill 2 was intentional to immerse you in the rile of James an average man with no combat training
oh and tell me how the bad voice acting was intentional as well to make it feel like a Lynchian movie you homosexual
kys
2 years ago
Anonymous
>and neither was Harry Mason
Combat is also shit in SH1, anon. Hell, Harry has it worse because the enemies in SH1 hit harder and faster, fighting is an even worse option than it is in SH2. At least in that game they mostly just stand around menacingly, SH1 is basically a Detroit sim.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>sh1 new game + >get to the school >"WELCOME TO THE GANGBANG"
I died all of once on Normal but the enemies are out of fricking control in SH1's ng+.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>James Sunderland isn't Chris Redfield
he didnt punch a boulder but he did press a pillow
2 years ago
Anonymous
I cannot imagine how fricking zoomer you have to be to unironically suggest that SH2s praise comes from late 2010s youtube video essays. SH2 has ALWAYS had by far the biggest spotlight of the entries. Do you think that Pyramid Head has always been the face of the series because of some homosexuals 2018 youtube video?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>picrel
shattered memories' harry would be all over it
2 years ago
Anonymous
There's a difference between appreciating 2 and dismissing the rest because they aren't 2. The former is fine, the latter is for braindead homosexuals.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Obviously. There's also a difference between praising the other entries, and acting like 2 is dogshit because it gets the most praise. Most people who do this shit are zoomers who haven't even actually played ANY silent hill, just watch video essays and listen to the OST.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>everyone who doesn't like 2 is a zoomer and they didn't even play it to begin with!!!
you are exactly the same shit as that guy calling everyone who likes 2 a redditor
2 years ago
Anonymous
That's not what I meant. I meant that people making asinine statements like >Every SH game that isn't 2 is dogshit
or >SH2 is godawful trash because it's popular
with no in-between likely have not even touched the games.
2 years ago
Anonymous
/v/gays are simply unable to deal with disparate opinions without equating them to a bogeyman
2 years ago
Anonymous
Ganker is the only place on the internet where you're allowed to have disparate opinions about video games.
2 years ago
Anonymous
really hate the tim burton tentacles on this pic...
why 2gays always ignore talking about the gameplay? it's fricking atrocious in 2 there is no way you can give a 9 or a 10 score a game with shitty gameplay like that unless you are a brainlet homosexual
That's because every single SH thread is >I want to frick Heather >REDDIT hill 2 is overrated >implying any game after 1 is good >1 is dated >bickering about whether 4 is the magnum opus of the series or irredeemable unplayable dogshit >[insert the current bullshit new SH game rumor of the week]
>new SH game rumor of the week
speaking of this, any updates on that ''leak'' with that minger girl and the artwork of the pink colored tumbler monster?
To be fair, the two dahlias have absolutely nothing in common beyond their name. ShatMems only has anything to do with SH1 as a ploy to trick KONAMI into greenlighting it after rejecting Silent Hill Cold Heart.
she was unmemorable as frick, the only thing i remember about her is Harry fricking her on a boat or some shit
How do I play the entire silent hill series on PC? I recently bought that resident evil bundle with every main game + 0 and both revolutions and want to try a real horror game series
SH1: emulate it on Duckstation
Reddit Hill 2: google the Enhanced Edition
SH3: download it from IGG or some other website and read it's PCgaminwiki page for the patches ad fixes you need
SH4: get the Gog version legally or illegally
Origins: emulate it on PPSSPP
Homecoming: same steps as SH3
Shattered Memories: emulate it on PPSSPP or PCSX2
Downpour: emulate it on RPCS3
How do I play the entire silent hill series on PC? I recently bought that resident evil bundle with every main game + 0 and both revolutions and want to try a real horror game series
This one might be a touch outdated but it's still good. For Silent Hill 2 you can actually just download the game from the pastebin in the image, use a program like wincdemu to install it, then follow the directions here
https://enhanced.townofsilenthill.com/SH2/
for the enhanced patches. Play in release order/
Mednafen is a pain while duckstation is easy, has loads of compatibility and makes the games look great/run great. I switched not too long ago and regret waiting this whole time.
mednafen fricking sucks, don't listen to the ''muh accuracy'' gays, Duckstation is already highly accurate
also mednafen uses the command-line bullshit which is very dated in this day and age and not worth the trouble when you can run games on Ducktstaion with a single click
1 > 3 > 2 > 4
SH1 is the only game that actually lets you explore the town and visit a great variety of places. The otherworld town feels really oppressive.
Coming out of that SH2 feels like a game cut in half, specially because there's barely any sense of progression until the Hotel.
Then SH3 comes and does horror the best with sound effects that unnerve the shit out of you and amazing graphics for the time, really pushing the PS2.
SH4 is a great game, but it is a graphical downgrade from 2 and 3, which is much more noticible because of the first person perspective. The apartment was a great ideia, but it lacks random events, in a way that you are forced to return for inventory management even though there's nothing new to be seen until a location is cleared. It is the game that would benefit the most from a remake.
Sometimes I wonder just what Heather Mason did after SH3. She survived this nightmare world that defies all logical explanation, so what does she do after? Go get a job somewhere? She isn't well-off, you can see that from the apartment she lived in with Harry. So she does... what? Is "Reincarnated Idol Of A Mysterious Death Cult" a marketable skill?
1>2>haven't played 3>4
One is the better horror game while 2 is more of a psychological thing. It's good but extremely overrated. 4 sucks shit through a straw. I love the concept and I love Henry's autism but the gameplay is fricking awful
Why do Silent Hill threads always turn into shitflinging and comparing everything an anon doesn't like as Reddit?
For the games, I don't really have a favourite as they each do their own thing extremely well.
SH1 still scares me with those fricking dogs and I love the slow uncovering of the cult
SH2 is a masterpiece in interactive psychological examination with top tier music to boot: Mary's letter still makes me tear up
SH 3 has a spunky protagonist and much more emphasis on movie style cutscenes and characters.
>Why do Silent Hill threads always turn into shitflinging and comparing everything an anon doesn't like as Reddit?
Literally because of a single dedicated mental case. He's our Barry.
I found SH4 unplayable, you can call it filtered, but the basic game mechanics are jank to play with. I also didn't enjoy doing escort quests, and having such a limited scope of environments.
All of this makes sense though from the lense that SH4 was its own IP until around 80% through the developement process where it got kicked into being a SH title.
>All of this makes sense though from the lense that SH4 was its own IP until around 80% through the developement process where it got kicked into being a SH title.
no no no no no the Reddit Hill 2 gay believed in this reddit fairy tale
anyway kys you homosexual for having a shit taste
the team rotated in every iteration eg sato wrote 2, including dialogue for the chicks, unlike owaru which wrote 3 after the highter ups messed with the original plan
>Almost all the people in the comment section under that MTV music video are commenting about how it's MORALLY WRONG and DUISGASTING that 17 YEAR OLD (practically almost 18) girl could be in a relationship with OVER 20 YEAR OLD guy
>Ganker.org browsers are so delusionally contrarian that more than one anon has started championing Silent Hill 4 as the best game in the series
absolutely fascinating
Personally I'm a SH2 guy and always will be. But you're either a SH2 guy or a SH1/3 guy, that's how it's always been.
NOBODY is a SH4 guy, this is a new development in the Silent Hill fan ecosystem thanks to a surge in popularity of the series causing insane amounts of contarianism from anons who don't actually like videogames. I will be keeping an eye on it closely.
>NOBODY is a SH4 guy
why not? sure 4 may not be the best in the series but it's definitely better than Reddit Hill 2 whom the majority seems to like the most (they mostly only played 2 tho)
I enjoyed them all in their own way, knowing perfectly well that 3 was in direct response to 2 being shat on in japan for being too different from 1. 4 goes in interesting ways and although rough it still manages to shine. 2 is definitely my fav, way above the others.
Played them all on release
People who like SH4 literally never say that it's "the best game in the series" or even that the game is a "masterpiece". They just say that SH4 is simply a good game worth playing and that people who say that it's "trash" seriously over exaggerate all of its flaws and claim that it's 30 times worse than it actually is.
Nitrorad perfectly summed it up in his review https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzP6AVjti7A.
Nitro rad is nowhere near as popular to be considered an "e-celeb" and his SH4 review is genuinely fantastic. He perfectly points out all the good and bad things about the game and a ton of things that most people ignore about it when it comes to both gameplay and plot. He's also right about the game having the best story in the whole series.
'E-celeb' never had anything to do with actual or perceived popularity, it's just morons with essay videos who think their opinions matter. Frick off with that.
I never played these but watched based DSP play them. I was ready to shit on SH2 because that is the game most lauded by obnoxious pseuds, but it genuinely is the most interesting use of SH themes, and the cult shit in 1&3 are just lame in comparison.
>le cult is lameeeee
this has to be the worst take to come out of zoomers playing SH. I also blame Origins for making them a bunch of morons in robes summoning diablo™.
>but it genuinely is the most interesting use of SH themes, and the cult shit in 1&3 are just lame in comparison.
that happens to be a very popular reddit take which i assume it's where you've heard it
also >thinks Reddit Hill 2 is the best and admits he watched a playthrough of them >no mention 4
the memes are real, Reddit Hill 2 gays are all moronic c**ts
what you'd expect from a Reddit Hill 2 gay
they lack the necessary intelligence to understand the esoteric deep symbolism behind 1, 3 and 4
funny thing is Reddit Hill 2 is even the weakest out of the first 4 games when it comes to psychological horror elements but redditors will never know that because they only watch hour long analyse videos of Reddit Hill 2 alone
god damnit, I´m starting to get on your side moron-kun
2 years ago
Anonymous
>penis worm is ungraspable symbolism
Being moronic I can forgive, but falling for one?
2 years ago
Anonymous
it's just samegayging, anon
2 years ago
Anonymous
Oh thank god
2 years ago
Anonymous
Nah, I hate that reddit screaming gay, but him throwing shit at a ¨cult=lame¨ shit stain I can get behind...
2 years ago
Anonymous
>first thing he thinks about is the penis worm
you redditors are so predictable
so tell me redditor are the enemies in Reddit Hill 2 have sexual themes mirroring the sexual frustration of James is what count as good symbolism according to you? kek that shit is so r*ddit
it's just samegayging, anon
take your meds
2 years ago
Anonymous
I didn't even read up to the esoteric deep stuff.... still, you shitting on the cult theme is lame as frick
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Thinks I'm shitting on the cult theme
Oh I'm sorry to hear you're also a complete moron.
2 years ago
Anonymous
wait, so you aren't
compared to SH2 the cult stuff is lame.
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I don't go to reddit, gay.
then frick off
2 years ago
Anonymous
>mocks the worm boss symbolizing Heather's pregnancy >praises sexualized monsters in Reddit Hill 2 symbolizing James's sexual frustration
kys
2 years ago
Anonymous
>points out 3s symbolism is neither deeper nor shallower than 2s
Nothing personnel morono
wait, so you aren't [...]
then frick off
>NOOOO OTHER PEOPLE CAN'T REPOND TO MY BAD POSTS
die
2 years ago
Anonymous
>points out 3s symbolism is neither deeper nor shallower than 2s
so you admit Reddit Hill 2 is not deeper or more complex than 3? watch out redditor this might get you banned from r/silent hill kek
2 years ago
Anonymous
Wow it only took 3 posts for you to understand what I said the first time. This must be a personal record for you
2 years ago
Anonymous
I find it funny that people act like SH2 started the enemies reflecting the subconscious thing when SH1 did that. All of the monsters and enemies come from Alessa's nightmares and past. Just because you are a third party exploring her nightmares doesn't make it any less deep. And yes SH3 has that too but it is Alessa again basically who IS Heather.
2 years ago
Anonymous
exactly, SH1 WAS a psychological horror game but Reddit Hill 2 gays think 2 was the innovative masterpiece introducing the psychological horror elements not only to the series but to the survival horror genre as a whole
they literally think 1 is some B horror movie tier shit about Le evil satanic cult, it's a shame
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah I think people give all the credit to SH2 because they see it as a criticism of a seemingly "good guy" who is really a DIRTY KILLER. Even though in my opinion it isn't certain if he truly killed Mary or just felt guilty for his feelings when she was sick. Some people just love shitting on good guy characters I guess. They love writing long essays about how James is a pervert and Pyramid Head is his inner rapist. Personally I saw Pyramid Head maybe as a representation of someone who raped HIM not as his own rapist tendencies. I find it funny that James always has good morals even through the end but people act like he is a secret rapist killer?
2 years ago
Anonymous
3 is about the birth, not the incubator herself. No enemy is about her past specifically unless she was coomed on plus BWC from a burping fat man. Most of the enemies arent even associated with anything. You could say it's also a mix of claudia but that's pure conjecture. And valtiel is a chad
2 years ago
Anonymous
it sucks that badass harry got btfo by such a lame, forgettable monster
2 years ago
Anonymous
Originally Owaru wrote SH3 to be more about her growing up before said Birth. The timeskip made it hard to associate Heather as a person directly with the monsters seeing as now the game had to explain first what she went through her life then the whole deal of incubation, how to go about it and stop it. Hence also why most characters in it fall flat like Douglas and Claudia. And Vincent has only a good single line that leads nowhere.
2 years ago
Anonymous
look dude, if you have no beef with the cult then I have no beef with you, that's all I'm saying >die
go say that shit to a weeaboo or someone who cares
2 years ago
Anonymous
You're lowing the quality of this thread with your god aweful posting so we definitely have beef.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I´m not the one screaming about reddit, so no...
2 years ago
Anonymous
No you're just backing him up like a bumbling bimbo while he spews nonsense.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Did it just ONCE, motherfricker you are making up a fight in your brain, plz stop
2 years ago
Anonymous
If you dont take it with absolute seriousness nor claim it's deep and complex af, then you're shitting on it. There's no middle ground for these Gankertards.
Everything about the Order is neat but it's not hard to grasp nor mindblowing
>but it genuinely is the most interesting use of SH themes, and the cult shit in 1&3 are just lame in comparison.
that happens to be a very popular reddit take which i assume it's where you've heard it
also >thinks Reddit Hill 2 is the best and admits he watched a playthrough of them >no mention 4
the memes are real, Reddit Hill 2 gays are all moronic c**ts
1 and 3 are almost interchangeable. They are both super good and do different things well. The one thing that maybe gives 3 the edge is Heather. Great character.
the problem is that 1 does everything in terms of gameplay far better than any sequel, especially 3. The exploration of the open town and especially the different "levels" are significantly better than any other entry, especially 3 which mostly features repetitive hallways that constantly reuse assets. I still love 3, but the subways, otherworld office building, and church are insanely repetitive areas that feel like the same 2-3 hallways over and over, and the hospital is shamelessly copy pasted from 2, although it gets more unique in the otherworld section. I still like 2 best for it's story and atmosphere, but 1 is all killer no filler, and in strict game design terms, easily the series best.
3 was in dev hell from a while. first its original writer left (the one that wrote most of 2) and then konami wanted a totally different genre, and then they got owaru to write a propper SH but then they asked them to rewrite most of it. hence why it feeling so samey >Silent Hill 3 was originally planned to be a rail shooter, not a direct sequel to the first Silent Hill game, as a result of the initially slow sales and fan criticism of Silent Hill 2 in Japan. According to Masahiro Ito, this decision wasted considerable development time and part of the game's budget.
if there was no Konami meddling then Sato would've have written its plotthemes again so it would've been closer to SH2 i.e. he wasnt interested in the cult stuff. if Sato still left and Owaru took the reins, what he originally had planned was to go way more into Heather's life; iirc even her growing up.
Just boiling it down to "cult stuff" is stupid. There's any number of things you can do on the backdrop of the cult. Silent Hill 2 still involves the cult. SH3s plot was kind of trite and a bit silly in how it handled the cult, but 1 did it really well and I don't think its story gets enough credit as a result of the dated presentation. They could dive deeper into occult themes in a really interesting way, just because it involved the cult doesn't mean it has to be pulpy horror bullshit.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I was just explaining what sato liked to focus on. in his interviews regarding 2 and 3 he appears to prefer leaving the cult in the background as vagueamorphous as possible, and solely focus on it's effects on regular folk with hidden demons. So I'm infering that his SH3 wouldnt eg deal with valtiel nor incubator (at least as it did)
I know. It's interesting how different 3 and 4 turned out given how rushed and troubled the dev on both was. 3 is much more polished but is extremely short and rather "safe" leading to it being kind of boring after 1 and 2, while 4 is has some really interesting, totally unique ideas but is by far the roughest, jankiest game in the series. Personally I think 4 COULD HAVE been the best in the series if it got the proper time it needed, and I'd have strongly preferred to see their original idea for SH3, instead of just retreading 1 but not as good. A lot of people laser-focus on the post-SH4 games and don't realize that KONAMI was completely fricking over the series as soon as SH2 shipped.
1 also, to my knowledge, is the only game that does the non-working radio fakeout, which is peak 'shit gets real' horror. It also has the best industrial freakout music.
Great points. Discussing this series is really hard because 1-3 are so fricking good. I would agree on 1 being the best in design. Exploring the town is an unforgettable experience, which none of the other games come close to. The combat is tense and the puzzles are fun and actually make you think.
2 is my favorite for all the little things it does. The extremely oppressive atmosphere, James' personality and the way he acts seems weird on the first playthrough, but comes together great when you get the details. The biggest flaw would probably be not continuing the exploration from SH1.
Also, 1 feels more... ill intentioned? I don't know how to describe it, but the ideas explored in 2 and 3 about you killing ¨monsters¨ are even worse in SH1, you walk the streets killing dogs, then go to a school and shoot children, then say frick it! and go to a hospital to smash nurses and doctors. I know about the lore and shit, but the stuff that's implied only in gameplay in SH1 is fricking DARK
>If nobody else will make a proper Silent Hill sequel then I fricking will!
You and 100+ indie devs with how much the line "inspired by Silent Hill" is thrown around.
SH4 is just not the same as the others stop pretending. It seems to still have some soul but it barely feels like an SH game more like a new horror game they slapped SH onto because they wanted MONEY
It was always planned to be a silent hill. after SH2 konami divided the team and one began developing a different take yet still same genre called Room 302 while the other began developing an on rail shooter that eventually became SH3. Silent hill isnt a fixed thing, it can take many forms and the first team played with that idea -- it eventually became 4 the room.
Meh okay but the original form of SH 1 - 3 is what makes it so special. There are tons of rail shooters out there but not as many classic survival horror. I guess rail shooters are dead too now but still.
Konami later went back to the rail shooter idea with Silent Hill: Arcade. Despite 2 flopping in JP it was a success in the west so they immediately tried turning it into a huge franchise like RE. Like another anon said, people shit solely on the western devs but Konami was already fricking everything up for team silent since 2001
I swear to god sh1 is the actual pseud's choice because they always talk like they're time first person ever to realize the gray children meant alessa was getting bullied. >Bro... wait till you see the drawing in her room! Literally no one has ever thought of this before!
most of you wankers talking about SYMBOLISM when actually the implications of going to a school to murder children is far more fricked up than bullying... feel the vibes, stop analyzing them
My point was nobody's bringing anything new to the table and acting like they are. Ironically this got you to bring something new to the table, funny how that works out
Nah, I love SH1 because it's very disorienting, it doesn't give you any plot until near the end of the game, and it does the most to destabilize the player out of the series. I'm always a little disappointed that exploring the town that is actively trying to kill you is never really a focus again.
All the small moments make it special... remember in the otherworld school entering one door just teleported you to a different part of the map? So many things like that just completely put you out of your comfort zone, you never know wtf is going on and no other game quite pulls that off. The sequels do, but only in moments.
I love SH2 symbolism too I just think everyone sees it as a character criticism of James. I am tired of that perspective in EVERYTHING. Actually in Silent Hill the world itself is essentially a character too. That is part of what makes it so wild. The world around you feels alive and does strange things like add a floor to a building that wasn't there before. Yet everyone seems to read SH2 as James being evil and bad even though the world of SH is alive and clearly very bad... it is tormenting James using his greatest weaknesses. You even get the bad ending if the enemies damage you too much for too long. But everyone ignores that to talk about how James is a rapist killer.
before this thread gets archived i just want to say i don't really think Reddit Hill 2 is garbage, it's actually a good game but i do still believe it's the weakest link of Team Silent games and it's very very very overrated and r*ddit
1 > 3=4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2
Let me guess you hate 2 because it’s “Reddit” or some other stupid reason.
Those who dislike it usually cant look pass the surface level. Like this picrel iconic PSM review
>it's main fault is its convoluted and confusing storyline
>7/10 -- too much plot
That’s weird, I understood 2’s storyline better than 1.
If you see in the
>how it stacks up
extermination is above sh2. psm were kinda brainlets that way
>Even after I completed the game, I still couldn't definitely determine what the hell was going on in Silent Hill 2
>it's like reading a poorly written novel lmao was this written by a Gankergay?
>I didn't get it so it clearly sucks
Were journos always morons?
yes
Yes, but back then they acknowledged their purpose was making informing us of new releases, their opinions were just a bonus
Now that we don't need journalists to being us the news, their worthless opinions is all they have left
Yes
This is just kino.
>He will conclude his miserable adventure by becoming a wanderer among the mountains.
>Code Veronica
>9/10
holy moly
how about dmc getting a perfect score? I enjoyed dmc but come on
Fully appropriate. It was a revelation back then.
>Extermination
>8/10
I played Extermination
it's a 4/10
>no mgs 2
journos confirmed braindead moronic
That's a horror list, anon. And the only horror in mgs2 is its dialogue
Do DMC and Onimusha really count as horror?
Yep. Scary =/= horror
MGS2 didn't release for another couple of months, idiot
>Give a fair review
>Acknowledges that the game does nothing new (it doesn't)
>Tells you to rent it but buy if you're a fan of the genre
A 7 isn't bad. At least back then. I bought a bunch of PSM 7 games because they straight up told you the game was good if you're a fan.
His main criticism was that he was too much of a brainlet to understand the plot. His lack of braincells shouldnt affect the score.
>The town made him stupid
20 fricking years ago
Legends say he's still figuring out the plot
>everything was great
>didn't get the plot though
>7/10
7/10 too much in water ending
Cringe and kys
2 is the best, there is no discussion
all 4 SH games are good tho
It's 2 for me, by far.
1 was a great start and 3, although still good, was a huge let down imo. 4 took it to interesting places and had some good ideas, but it too flawed. And that fricking henry is soulless af
3 a "huge let down"? frick man, its a great game. 4 is great too because it is so ballsy and unconventional.
It played it safe bc the japanese seethed for 2 being so different from 1. There was way too much upper management meddling. The actual writer of 2, Sato, wrote the plot and themes for 3 but due to disagreements he left konami so that was scrapped. Then owaru wrote a whole different story for heather, but konami had other ideas and they made him rewrite it. While 3 is noice, and I digged Valtiel, the rest just wasnt interesting to me -- mostly forgetable characters like douglas and claudia. The most interesting about it was a joke from vincent which amounted to nothing. Still, I'm not saying it's bad, mind you.
The game goes to shit in the subway or when you go to burn silent hill with nurses with magnums in the same hospital of 2
All games are good, please play them all and enjoy your time
it's clear that OP is asking which one's your fav (and why while you're at it)
It makes people seethe when i say i like 4 the most
no one seethes bc you prefer one over the others wtf. It's a bit moronic but hey that's your prerogative
I've only played 1 and 2 and much prefer 2.
Why the frick is 3 not on Xbox but 2 and 4 is?
Just play the PC version
I did, but just curious why they skipped the Xbox with 3 back in the day. Doesn't make much sense to me
Oh? You said you only played 1 and 2.
>just curious why they skipped the Xbox with 3 back in the day.
Because 3 is nearly a direct continuation of SH1, and 1 is still a PS1 exclusive.
What fricking debtae?
>1
Jank as frick. Even by PS1 standards it's terrible. The atmosphere of the game is good but it has no greater meaning. Harry is just a spectator in other people's stories.
>2
A massive leap forward, no cult bullshit. Pyramid Head has been ruined by how over-hyped it is and the ending is so well known even people who never played Silent Hill knows James killed Mary.
>3
Does everything that Silent Hill 1 did but better. Since Heather is actually a focal point of the story and isn't a bystander. Also Heather in general is such a fresh take on a horror game protagonist. Although I think the game is bought down a bit by it's inherit japanese origin, that seeps in from time to time.
>4
hahaha, no one likes 4. People meme about liking 4 and those who are unironic only like 4 because it was the first one they played.
In any case I think the best of those 4 is 3.
4 is a masterpiece.
It's not. It had awesome moments and ideas, but it's crap in many other departments. Henry alone is a huge one.
case in point.
you are just a moronic meme homosexual.
big words from the moronic text homosexual
4 is another level of jank that makes it nearly unplayable. If 4 is unironically higher than 1-3 then please reassess you opinion.
>4 is another level of jank that makes it nearly unplayable
Filtered
I appreciate them trying something new with 4. It didn't work out ultimately, but I'd rather they try and fail than to get the same safe cookie cutter product
SH1 is the best game in the series, and calling it "janky" instantly undermines 2-3 as well, as they play exactly the same.
2 and 3 suffer of terrible, restricted world design with next to no real replay value nor challenge.
3 especially is just a pipe runner with no town to explore whatsoever, and only 2 endings.
And obviously a nu-SH2 gay would pull out "muh cult!!" bullshit and shit on the observer role in the story.
I love Sheryl's story in 1, as well is it;s probably one of the very few true examples of surrealism in gaming. It has excellent symbolism as well, as well as the best environments and levels.
Yeah exactly it was Cheryl's story not Harry's. Harry was just a bystander.
Yeah, but that's not a flaw, they have specifically chosen it. You are meant to feel like you've randomly stumbled in Hell. If it was Harry's story directly it wouldn't give that feel. It's Sheryls story, and the way you experience it through Harry's perspective amplify its effect.
>Jank as frick. Even by PS1 standards it's terrible.
have a nice day moronic zoomer
have a nice day zoomer
SH 1 is a really clean game that plays great even today. There is no padding and the game rewards you for exploring the down with different endings. It's really solid I feel like even a modern zoomer could enjoy playing SH 1 in the 4 hours max it takes to beat it.
Unreachably subwormic post, as anyone who played 1 and 2 knows that first two things you notice is 1 plays the best of all games in the series, oddly enough but I guess that is what you get when you have a director that cares about gameplay even during experimental times of PS1 and second is that there is a lot of care put in the direction. The thing you can argue about is soundtrack which is really close as both games have iconic tracks and you can argue about the story/atmosphere side which is different and great in both.
>shitting on SH1
How much of a gay can you be?
That game is soul incarnate.
>The atmosphere of the game is good but it has no greater meaning
What in the hell are you talking about? Did you read the journals and articles?
SH1 is about child abuse and so is the whole series. Even SH2 is really about that with Angela and Eddie. James may not have even killed Mary it may just be his guilty feelings that SH takes advantage of. Not that anyone ever acknowledges that. And SH3 is basically an answer to the abuse.
>James may not have even killed Mary
there's video proof
>inb4 it was created by SH2
take meds
>inb4 already took them
take more
>inb4 why you're being so mean anon
i hurt you bc I want you
Okay Maria not falling for it.
1. 1
2. 2
3. 3
4. 4
woah man, let's not start talkin' crazy.
I came into this thread expecting to see a lot of 4 hate, and have been pleasantly surprised. It’s always been my favorite, somehow managing to be even more dreamlike than its predecessors, and I love all the interesting things it does with the room and how what it is to you changes over the course of the game. Back in the day I was a bit unfair to 3 because I hated how much more mainstream it seemed, having poppier music, costumes, a plot revisiting 1 instead of something original. I should really replay it again and try to give it a fair shake.
>having poppier music
I almost dropped it when You're Not Here started playing before the start.
2>1>3>4
1-3 were great 4 was okay last half was kinda annoying. Why is konami so afraid of money the only silent hill on steam is fricking homecoming and that's 40 usd
>SH1 remake turned into Shattered Memories
>true remake never ever
robbed doesn't even begin to describe it
It's a reimagining. Not being called SH1 saved your hypothetical future remake
How many more shitty remakes do you need? Be thankful something you like isn't being remade.
Shattered Memories was good though
It could've been so much better if there was no clear line between being in danger and being safe. and if the enemies werent goofy-looking
I haven't played it for a while so I will take your word for it. But something that really grinds my gears is that the game "Until Dawn" completely ripped it off and I've never seen or heard anybody call them out on it.
For real? I always thought Until Dawn was about Mr Robot playing pranks on his friends or something
Until Dawn has exactly the same scenario of the player talking to a psychologist asking them questions and the answers the player gives effecting the game, and the twist/final boss taking place in the psychologist's office. The way it pans out is so similar to where it is a clear rip-off.
>and the twist/final boss taking place in the psychologist's office
Close, but no. The office and the psychologist are imagined by one of the characters and it fades away towards the end.
Basically you'll quickly realize that the enemies will only pop up when the world starts freezing. So as long as there's no ice in sight, you can pretty much chill and check the booba-posters in order to affect cybil's look.
I didnt play until dawn, but I remember the trailers showing the psychologist part which just screamed Shattered memories
2>3>1>4 is objectively correct
3>2>1>4
People who claim 2 is the best are midwits high on Youtuber farts
3 is much more subtle and nuanced, morons just read the surface level narrative and accept it as absolute because there aren't 50 Youtube videos explaining it
1 is amazing and holds up insanely well
4 is worse every time I play it again, though the POV segments in the slowly changing apartment are kino
>3 is much more subtle and nuanced
lol
lmao even
exactly the kind of post I'd expect from a moron who didn't understand the themes and hidden narrative
>if you disagree then you dont get it
sit down, lad
It's like you homosexuals only started existing when youtube hour-long analysis became a thing. Sh2 sold well outside of jp and was mostly praised for its deep story.
>the mist in your face game in the series is subtle
Lol, lmao. Youtubers broke your brain
>Lyrics in the UFO ending song mention how after the events of SH3 Heather married some guy and got pregnant
>She got divorced afterward and is forced to take care of two kids on her own
>Song specifically mentions how she's a very young mother implying that she got married and pregnant at the age of 17 few months after the game
>implying that she got married and pregnant at the age of 17
nope, it doesnt imply any of that
oh you again, good to see you headcanon-kun
1 is best overall.
3 has the best characters and overall narrative.
2 has a cool mystery and twist.
4 is... 4.
>3 has the best characters
It does? Claudia and douglas are forgettable. Vincent drops a single interesting line that leads nowhere. The incubator goes from a tough cookie to snapping back at monsters like leonard -- 17yo mind you. Harry is extra lazy in this.
Compared to the chars in the other games, 3's has the most complex themes and depth.
2;s characters have cool ideas but nothing much beyond that. I mean do you really think Eddie and Laura are good and interesting characters???
>3's has the most complex themes and depth.
no really, but maria james and angela were. 3's characters tho were forgettable imo, no matter their backstory -- show dont tell, pls
Angela is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. She has a sad backstory - that's it. She has no development, no arc, no relevance to the overall plot and story.
She has a defining trait and that's it. She's well done for what is there, but its very little.
Maria and serves as a macguffing for the mystery. The only complex character in 2 is James. Almost everyone in 3 is as complex as him, and I would say even Douglas is at least as good as 2's characters beyond James.
nta but you're moronic
As always, no argument to back anything up.
2 shitters are so predictable.
>She has no development, no arc, no relevance to the overall plot and story.
she's trauma eating away a person, giving up and running away from its eventual engulfing. she's the opposite of james which manages to battle his demons; there's no arc because she's falling and falling.
>Maria and serves as a macguffing for the mystery
the maria/mary dynamic is interesting by itself no matter how linked they are to the protag. along the way maria is a thoroughly fascinating and memorable character.
For a character to be such there's no definite rules like arcs, etc. Stop forcing that.
>she's the opposite of James which manages to battle his demons;
That's my whole point. The characters in 2 exists mainly to prop up James arc. By themselves, while well executed, they don't have much going on.
I don't find Maria interesting on her own at all. IMO the domestic situation between James and Mary, while cool in the sense that we don't get much of those in games, isn't anything special either. IMO the strength of 2 is the mystery (internal) and how its unraveled, not the details themselves.
Every character one way or another reflect the themes of guilt, redemption and punishment, each dealing with them in different ways and with different outcomes. Unlike 3 which everyone is centered around the incubator, 2's characters are individuals -- all being relevant to James' ordeal would be contrived and idiotic. You're critiques are of a 3's fanboy.
No. If you dig what 2 has going on you are correct that all its characters serve to prop up James arc. This is good or bad depending on how invested you are in James and the story.
In 3 each character has his own goals, motivations, worldview, and is an independent actor in the world, and on top of all that the came weaves all of them together in a cohesive overall narrative. And since Sheryl is the most interesting character with the story with the most depth and emotional resonance, 3's story and character's are better.
Also I'm not a fanboy of 3, it has terrible level design and pacing. 1 is the best game.
Claudia wants to birth god, while heather and vincent dont. Douglas is along for the ride. Like 2, each have their own goals as to why each take such a stance; in 2 it's why they're in SH in the first place and how their own version of hell reflects some of james'
Yeah but them being in SH is just a coincidence. They are there to explore a psychological concept or to emphasize/contrast James.
Everyone in 3 has actual impact on the events of the story.
Because the world doesnt revolve around James in 2, it only ends up echoing how guilt takes many forms. In Sh3 it revolves around solely the incubator. Remember that SH2 and 3 have different rules -- in 2 the town plus each one's psyche creates their own personal hells. In SH3 only the incubator does it (much like alessa) but this time with a bit of influence from claudia
>Because the world doesnt revolve around James in 2
Narratively it literally does.
>In Sh3 it revolves around solely the incubator.
No it doesn't. The story in 3 revolves around past and how you deal with it in the present. Incubator is a macguffin for that theme, its not the driving force.
James Eddie and Angela are all linked. They're all killers, and Eddie/Angela reflect different angles of the crimes James has commited. Eddie is the sociopath who is totally responsible and owns it, Angela is someone broken by abuse and is arguably the least responsible (but can't live with it, ultimately, and takes her own life).
James is a character who stands between the two. Seeing how Angela and Eddie deal with their trauma gives James room to work through his own baggage and how he needs to accept what he's done.
They aren't characters who come across new trials/tribulations and develop, it's not that kind of a story. The big inciting incidents of the story have already taken place, and we're very much in the aftermath. The development is seeing where they're destined to end up. You're not meant to look at them as different characters, hell even the puzzles in the game tie them together.
Honest to god anon, this is all on the screen, evident in all their cutscenes, it's genuinely not difficult to parse.
2>1>3>piss, shit, trash>any other game in the series
Homecoming>3>2=4>1>Shattered Memories>Downpour>Origins
Noice b8. It'll get some traction
Nothing bait about it. I've probably beaten homecoming over 100 times and absolutely love everything about it, as for the rest, the order might change depending on my mood.
those are some pretty serious opinions there, buddy. Care to elaborate?
Aside from Homecoming which I receive enough flack for being my favourite. What else is really that obscure?
Well I guess you could explain why you like Homecoming? The popular opinion is that it's garbage, and ruined thee series forever.
I guess I never really understand the detest the game receives. I'm not saying it's a perfect game. However, it still has incredibly atmosphere, a 'cozy' rundown town setting, amazing ost, solid enemy designs, including some of the best boss designs/fights the series has to offer. I enjoy the story for what it is, and the twist at the end (even if predictable) worked well.
It's started the pyramid head milking and the end completely goes against his skills as a soldier throughout the vidya. also not scary. also super sexy nurses like sh2.
It apes too much of 2 plus some saw influences
Pyramid Head has always felt like the SH mascot to me. I have no problem with him showing up whenever.
I've played them all and none of them (maybe 4) are considerably scary in any shape or form.
I have no issue with references or borrowing from other games. The intro to Homecoming is a homage to Jacob's Ladder -- I enjoy those kind of nods.
Borrowing stuff exclusing to james' psyche -- a favorite to many in the west -- will ofc sour many fans on it
>I guess I never really understand the detest the game receives.
What is so hard to understand about a bad game with terrible writing, terrible gameplay, terrible world design, plus a terrible and generic as frick enemy design getting bashed?
Yeah, it may not be as bad as the Downpoor, but it's still far below average as a SH game, and wouldn't be even discussed any more without the title.
>Pyramid Head has always felt like the SH mascot to me
That just means that you started "playing" them after The Movie or something. Team Silent never used him as a mascot for anything, that was Robbie's role.
>I've played them all and none of them (maybe 4) are considerably scary in any shape or form.
That just means that you're a sociopath that lacks capability of immersion.
Nothing is going to change Homecoming being my favourite. It's really that simple. I love the series as a whole. I've beaten them all more times than I can count. Homecoming just clicked for me. That doesn't mean I believe it's necessarily better than the others.
2>1>3=4
I've played all 4, origins Ana shartted memories in release order
And 4 is the one that has stuck up with me the most
4 is legit scary, the scariest out the 4 by dar, it has like a aura or something
Y also liked Henry being autistic and the lore/history is the Best one of the series, i think people don't like the Game just because escorting Eileen plebfilters most of the players, that and the backtracking
If SH4 was remade it would be the Best Game in the series hands down
Henry isnt autistic, just a boring character.
Why Konami doesn't want to release new Heather figurines? Is she unpopular among Japanese audiences or what
3 is the best, there is nothing to discuss
1 is almost unplayable, janky shit
2 is absolute reddit and one of THE most overrrated games ever made
4 is just an ok game, barely a SH one
>woman take
cut off your dick already
>3 is the best
>2 is overrated
of course you're a girl or pretending to be one
SH3 is SH2 for girls
I enjoyed sh3 but ngl the You're not Here track confirmed that
I just finished playing SH2 and I must say that despite everything James is a really nice and kind-hearted man deep down. It's a big shame that there's no ending where he saves and marries Angela. He could really fix her and change her negative view about men.
>He could really fix her
Many men fell for that one never to be heard again
>It's a big shame that there's no ending where he saves and marries Angela.
Yeah, because a middle-aged murderer marrying a 16 year old abused, suicidal and homocidal teenager would totally end well and fit the game's themes.
But that is exactly what the SH fujoshits have been dreaming about for a good 20 years now.
Her age got semi-retconed. Also, she tricked him with that look so
>angela va is donna burke
WHEN MY LEGS DIVIDE
Sins of the father plays meanwhile she finish the rappy monster
It's not the first time characters' age has been upped for international releases. Plus BoM was a fine "official" source back in 2004, but proven to be full of blatant mistakes.
Angela is actually 19 and James killed Mary only after months of emotional and mental tortures of having to watch her slowly die in a hospital bed every single day which would brake any normal person but ok.
I don't know why SH2 fans are so against the idea of """""good""""" ending where James saves Angela, while at the same time being completely fine with the game having a """""good""""" ending where James adopts Laura.
Bc laura and mary created a bond during her stay which led to james' also creating one over the whole repentace. angela is doomed for the get go bc she's unable to let go/rise above the trauma. this is not a VN where if james plays his cards right he could also bumfrick eddy
>this is not a VN where if james plays his cards right he could also bumfrick eddy
Funny that (you) say that because Team Silent literally made a Visual Novel version of SH1 with multiple story routes and endings. Shame that they never made more visual novels based on SH2,3,&4. It's also really tragic that Cybil route is incomplete to this day and will probably remain on some dusty Konami's hard drive forever because nu Konami doesn't give a frick about re-releasing any of the Silent Hill or Metal Gear games, they only reased Castlevania collections for some reason.
sex with Alessa
>I don't know why SH2 fans are so against the idea of """""good""""" ending where James saves Angela,
You got it backwards.
I have no idea why Americans are constantly demanding a happy happy joy joy Disney movie finales for every media product they consume.
>ending where James adopts Laura
a fan-fic headcanon outcome, not confirmed.
Angela was fricked enough mentally that the only way of salvation is a factory reset button in her brain
jesus christ, everyone is so fricking hideous in the game
Why the hell would james marry Angela? Just because she was there?
Angela doesn't want to be saved in the first place.
Marriage is just some nonsense that anon came up with, saving her is one thing.
But she is right in that James would just rescue her out of some savior complex but then immediately drop her right out the entrance to SH.
>Why the hell would james marry Angela?
Becouse she needs someone who will love her? Becouse she litearly asks him if he's able to love her and heal all her pain?
that it was rhetorical, underlining that there's no salvation for her. you're taking everything at face value.
But the whole point is that James is incapable of taking care of Angela and he doesn't really love her. That's why she asks that from him, because she knows he can't give that to her.
That was literally just her being mean to him because they both knew he couldn't help her. Those two had zero chemistry, romantic or otherwise.
>a suicidal sexually abused girl who killed her father (and possibly her brother) marrying a man who killed his wife
Oh yeah, I'm sure nothing bad would ever come out of a relationship like that.
Only "good" ending should be James emerging from the town, back to the public toilet he started from and saying "frick this shit and these crazy ass b***hes". Then walk away into the formerly blocked tunnel on the highway.
Dats rite
>New Game
>As soon as the game begins just get into the car and drive away
>Ending: Aw Hell Naw
Seeing as james stomps like a woman, I'd imagine he drives like one too. Too dangerous especially in his mental state
Just imaging the water ending but instead of James' little monologue it's just a monotone "oops" and instead of the letter reading it's a trumpet going "wa wa waaaaaaaaa".
>He could really fix her and change her negative view about men
Gonna second what the other anon said to you. Some people can't be fixed. If Angela could be fixed I highly doubt James is in the right mental state by their last meeting to even begin helping her. James himself even knows if anyone can fix her it's not him.
Came here to post this, never gets old kek
1 > 4 > 2 > heather >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything else about 3
Also is Siren any good?
First one is cool if you like stealth games, but the structure and some of the puzzles are kind of a chore.
siren 1 is a very frustrating game, siren 2 is better
but to add, siren 1 is very frustrating, but it probably has the best atmosphere ive ever experienced in an horror game
How's the third one? I've heard it's a remake or something
its pretty bad tbh but i think that was the intention, its kind of a mock game to american adaptations of japanese horror movies and such
>it was the intention
no, they wanted to appeal to western audiences so the american filming crew became the protags
>picrel is interview with director and cowriter keiichiro
It's an alternate version of 1 with different or additional characters. It's pretty good. It has an enjoyable horror TV show vibe with "Previously on Siren Blood Curse..." recaps and previews, but in some ways it suffers from being released episodically. You have to run through the same maps as different characters a few times. The American version is censored in some way so you might want to import a PAL copy.
It's trash. Avoid. Especially gutted for amerisharts.
At this point she already boxcutted a shit ton of enemies, including the one that btfo harry, and is such a tough cookie that in 5min she's about to insult leonard to his face. Why was she so creeped out by a call
2 is one of the best horror games of that generation.
It plays better but it lost a lot of the creepy factor of 1.
my personal one is 4>2>3>1
sh4 is actual peak schizo vidya, its just a shame that the game feels so "incomplete" especially on the second half of the game, because i think the first half is genuinely incredibly solid.
But even with that there's alot of shit that i like on the second part, having a psychotic human following you around in strange worlds instead of a monster like pyramid head was a really cool and interesting concept, the ghost hauntings that show up in your room were fricking kino aswell, there's alot to love in this game and i will always embrace it even with all of its flaws.
just clinging to your post to talk more about the unfinished ideas in SH4, are there interviews or some shit where they talk about stuff that was left on the drawing board? Kinda like the mutilations/exploding nurse heads in SH2
Mary...where the FRICK are you?!
still the funniest thing ever created.
Everyone please say something nice about Heather's canonical boyfriend
>Movie Dahlia and Claudia are sisters
>Vincent is Claudia's son, Heather/Sharon is (basically) Dahlia's daughter
Unless Dahlia and Claudia are church "sisters", otherwise they accidentally made an incestuous relationship with Vincent and Heather.
Adopted daughter it's okay genetically
1 is the best all rounder
2 has the best story
3 has the best gameplay
4 is the most experimental
1>2=3>4
Silent Hill 4 is the good last entry in the series and I'm tired of pretending it's not. The story is great, the atmosphere is fantastic, songs like Room Of Angel, Tender Sugar, Your Rain, and Wating For You are one of the best and most beautiful pieces of music that Akira Yamaoka ever composed in his entire carrier, and the whole game is just incredibly original, unique and creative. It's the last game in the series made by Team Silent and it really shows with its fantastic way of presenting symbolism, storytelling, and atmosphere. The whole game has that one-of-a-kind style that only the original Team Silent could have created. It's really rushed in a lot of areas because of a split in the team at the time and because it only had like 1,5 years of development time thanks to Konami's idea of turning the series into a yearly franchise because of their ever-growing corporate greed but it doesn't change the fact that despite all of it SH4 is still a good game.
Henry is a great anti-social NEET introvert protagonist that you don't see very often in video games, and Elieen is best girl in the series just behind Heather.
>I'm tired of pretending it's not.
only a homosexual would ever pretend shit like that, so kys
>Elieen is best girl in the series
ftfy
>Cedar Grove Sanitarium
Keep this fanfic shit outta my Silent Hill.
Eveything got its thing but 4 wasnt really developed as silent hill so its out of the silent hills games
imagine repeating the same false information for decades
There is no connection to silent hill besides the asspull of the villian
Henry visited silent hill before if you check his photos and montages. Silent hill is an amorphous concept. Staying in the same apartment has the guy who was performing one of the Order's rituals plus the above would be more than enough
>montages
I meant collages
Everything in this game works by the rules, established in previous games. It's design and atmosphere is absolutely in line with 1-3 as well.
How superficial is your perception of those games if absence of town, fog and radio immediately means
>it ain't no silent hill!
for you?
In first 2 games the town is the main character but 4 deliberately avoids it. I'm not the anon proposing it's not SH in any regards but the whole "Silent Hill 4" part of the title doesn't work since it doesn't play like previous 3 nor takes place in that town. Simply calling it "The Room" or "Room 302" would've been better, like a spin-off of sorts.
The main character of 1 is alessa and her powers. The 2nd one is james psyche together with the towns otherwordly machinations, the 3rd one is the incubator wherever she's atm. And the 4th one is about the guy who dabbled in the order's rituals -- same order that makes the town what it is.
I was being more literal. You're not walking around a foggy town like in previous games, this time Henry's apartament is the center of the game's attention. Lorewise it mashes together everything from previous games, so it is a SH game, just not at face value.
But are you saying that's a bad thing? Consequent (western) SHs did the foggy town all the time ie never approached 4's interesting take nor kino experience. Team Silent did it thrice, with the 3rd game being in direct response to SH2 being hated in Japan. By the 4th entry they figured that for it to remain interesting and fresh (especially for them) some motifs would have to go away or at least mutate.
>But are you saying that's a bad thing?
No, not at all. I just think SH4 title doesn't fit the game and is probably the reason many didn't like it. Though P.T. was basically the same thing and everyone went nuts over it because la creatividad made it
pt sucks and la creatividad even more so
of course it does, my little contrarian
and proud of it
It was, that's a misconception
Of konami believing it could sell it as silent hill
That's the same mentality the bugmen had over SH2 over there
>itsu too diferentsu from SH onesu
3
2
4
1
I enjoyed 3 the most. I thought 2 was ok but forgettable.
4 was the worst of what I played.
>During development all the male members of Team Silent wanted Heather to dress really conservatively, mature, and wear pants
>All the female members wanted her to look a lot more girly, young, cute, and dress in much more revealing and sexy outfits showing her legs and such
>Female members won and made official renders like pic related to promote the game and this idea even more
Based Japanese women. Take me back.
The dudes had her personality and backstory in mind
>weird, essentially different gal from the others
>always carrying around a boxcutter to feel safe
etc, while the women had the escapism in mind
>girl must look qt else I wont play it
Same happened with Raiden: Kojimbo asked teenage girls if they enjoyed MGS and they said Snake was too old and boring, so he made Raiden -- it's his own words.
Hm. Also, Heather was raised by a single father. All girls I know that are such are conservative af and Tomboy--ish, so pants would make more sense. Girly ones that paint their hair and wear short skirts and all raised by single moms. Interesting observation, anon
If the same japanese chicks had given their opinions for 2, angela wouldnt dress older/uglier due to her androphobia but would instead be a sexy schoolgirl
Strange so the japanese woman are thots ans horney pigs too
Aren't Japanese/asian women notoriously horny? I heard once that most doujin artists are women.
Yes. Also the vast majority of them cheat regularly and they dont think there is anything wrong with it
3 > 1 > 2 > 4
What can I say, I value spooks and gameplay over story.
1 is perfect
2 >>> 1 = 3 > 4
1 > 3 > 2 >>>> Origins >>>> 4
1 and 2 were great. 3 was just kind of meandering around, re-treading old ideas. Still better than most games though.
I actually just beat SH 1 2 3 and 4 in a row in that order with no previous experience with the series so let me break it down for you.
2>1>3>4 is the correct rating of the games as overall experiences and anyone placing 4 placing 4 above any of the others either hasn't played it but thinks it "sound good on paper" or it was their first SH and they have unwarranted nostalgia for it.
1-3 are all great games and I would accept any ordering of them (3 could be the top because it is actually the scariest for instance) but frick anyone who thinks 4 is a hidden gem or some undervalued master piece.
It has NO puzzles (core SH gameplay IMHO) the water prison is literally just lining up holes and then there is the phone number from the billboard. that's it. They require no thought or effort to figure out. The actual GAMEPLAY is somehow worse then the first 3 which lets.be honest play pretty rough. They give you TWO guns and they both suck. You have to abuse iframes on melee weapons and it feels terrible. The ghosts are not scary at all. They are a minor annoyance at best and are animated so terribly. All the monsters are just awful and lame. The sounds they use for most of the game are lifted directly from a "jungle animal noises" CD someone borrowed from the library. You only hear the good songs maybe THREE times in some cutscenes. Walter is non threatening and can be easily beaten up if you ever get harassed by him. He glitches out frequently and runs in circles or get stuck in his gun raising animation. THE LEVEL DESIGN IS AWFUL COMPARED TO THE FIRST 3. The water prison is just circles, the woods of silent Hill is like...8 square rooms that are basically copy pasted. The hospital is 1 floor connected to a long hallway filled with wheelchairs(lame not spooky). The subway is probably the best level in the game and it's still repetitive and shitty. The apartments are just boring.
The inventory system is awful. I like the idea of limits but the fact I can't just throw away things to pick up other things makes no sense and creates more backtracking in a game full of back tracking.
The murder victims are LOL worthy. Richard getting fried in the chair had me dying of laughter.
Henry is the worst protagonist ever. You joke about autism but he has literally no emotional reaction to anything. He is worse than a Harem protagonist. Eileen is the actual compelling character in the game and I will say she is easily the best character there.
Speaking of Eileen, we all know about the back tracking. Actually PLAYING the areas again is awful and boring. There is nothing new. You have to visit Wells in the forest and...I think that's the only revisit with a different mechanic. Eileen is actually pretty competent too as an escort character she can't die and can actually do good damage but they really just make you walk back through 4 terrible levels slightly slower.
There are no bosses except the last 2 which I thought might be nice because bosses are not the series strong point. Really though the wallman is just a puzzle and Walter is once again not threatening and easy to cheese with iframes. The only tense part is being fast enough to save Eileen for the good ending.
The story is also super weak. the entire meat of the plot is told through memos which there are 52 of and half of them just get handed to you under your door between levels. You barely see any other character except Eileen. Walter is the second best character but really his motives are held together with dental floss but I'll let that pass as cult stuff in the entire series is kinda stupid when you look at it closely.
Now the actual first person Room part. People say that's amazing and they love it. It's not amazing at all. It's so boring. Half the game you just heal in your room and save. then the "hauntings" start which are just lame little jump scares. OH NO MY COUCH IS COVERED IN BLOOD! AHHH MY SHOES MOVED!!! UH OH THE CLOCK IS TICKING!!! Absolute garbage "horror" moments. The first person parts are stupid and awful but they give you a break from the even worse third person parts so maybe that's why people think it's so amazing. Seriously 4 is such a shitshow game reading the reasons people like it in this thread make my head spin. Someone said it was subtle or had good symbolism? No it did not, you're thinking of silent Hill 2 or even 3. 4 is just such a pile of garbage there is no reason to like to better then the first 3 it does NOTHING better then any of them.
you will never give birth to a god
It hurts me every day I just wanna get mpreg bro
1 = 2 > 3 >4
sh3 is my fav but i want to play 2
If you're gonna play it on pc dont forget to grab the enhanced edition https://enhanced.townofsilenthill.com/SH2/about.htm
People like 4? Every time I asked about SH people said to avoid it
I played all the team silent games and i would say all of them are good. People that say to avoid sh4 is mostly because they saw a gay youtuber say that. Dont get me wrong sh4 is the worse of the 4 games but still better than most games.
Just read up the lore and maybe look up that silent hill wiki meltdown. It's genuinely interesting
I love that you don't recommend playing the game because it's true SH4 might have some interesting lore around it but it's barely even presented in that garbage game. Read a wiki and your good, you are as much of a fan as the rest of the people that praise that mess.
Downpour >>>>>>>>>> asiaticlent Hill 1-4(all equally shit) > Homecoming
obvious m8 it wont get any traction. 2/10
I CAN FIX HIM!
apparently a fixed pyramid head is a dalek
I still have to play Origins Homecoming Downpour and the light gun game and I think I will have played every game in the series.
Which should I do next?
Always play games in release order
touch grass
I've touched so much grass I can't take it anymore
>tumblr gay spam
this is how you know the thread is dead
1 > 3 > 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>4
Simple as and objectively true.
1=2=3 > 4
What’s the debate?
They’re nothing alike, each of them is really good for game specific reasons.
1 is my favorite, 2 is probably the closest to a “perfect” game, 3 has the highest highs; 4 is The Room.
Douglas has as much to his character as characters in 2 - he has a backstory. I think him even helping Heather based on his past makes him having more of an arc than anyone besides James in 2. Even the weakest 3 character has more going for him than anyone outside of James in 2.
Yes, his backstory isn't as interesting as Angela, and since 2 focuses more on the internal/psychological, its not explored in as interesting a way, but in the end if the day if you compare based on writing and what is there, rather than what is implied/abstracted, even Douglas has more going for him from a craft of writing/narrative perspective. Not to mention he actually has impact on the plot, which most of 2's characters don't.
>Douglas has as much to his character as characters in 2 - he has a backstory
"Because of my son" is as cliched and uninteresting as they come.
And "I was abused as a child" isn't?
It's nowhere near comparable. You unravel Angela's story through interesting, memorable encounters and notes sprinkled throughout the entire game. Like Eddie, her story and personality serve as a perfect foil to James', showing the different outcomes that similar issues can lead to in different people. Getting to peak into Angela's pocket of Silent Hill through the Abstract Daddy boss fight and the burning staircase not only results in some of the most iconic, impactful scenes in the game but also illuminate further on how exactly the town's magic works. The same can be said for Eddie's scenes, but they aren't quite as effective.
Douglas on the other hand is essentially just along for the ride, not really doing anything but serving as a helper character for Heather until at the very end of the game he gives a brief exposition dump about his son. Unlike Eddie and especially Angela, Douglas' backstory doesn't really have any bearing on the story of SH3 as a whole, it's just a lore blurb that gets dropped in an unimportant scene that isn't terribly memorable. His "backstory" is nowhere near as fleshed out as Angelas. his role in the immediate plot is totally inconsequential, and the manner in which his story is delivered is lackluster. It doesn't help that he's the most cliche "hardboiled detective" archetype imaginable. I love SH3, but it's story is just "okay" and nowhere near as good as in 1, 2, or 4.
>until at the very end of the game he gives a brief exposition dump about his son
And it completely falls flat.
None of what you describe about Angela is interesting or meaningful to me. Not to say Douglas is high literature - they are the same to me, the distinction is in the focus of the execution for me.
Obviously how interesting it is boils down to subjectivity, but its an objective truth that Angela is far more fleshed out and relevant to the story as a whole.
2 best story, 3 most spooky
>Happy birthday whoareyou
>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Mall, Subway+Sewers, Amusement Park, The building
Spookiness in 2 doesn’t really start up until the Hospital and then the Prison. But after that it ramps down during the hotel for necessary story reasons
SH2 has a minimap and it still surprising to me
>Age hasn't slowed you down one bit
ayo james go sneak that shit
i love you anon
SH1 forever, no game gave me that level of anxiety
SH2 is great but too easy (and hard mode sucks ass)
SH3 could be perfect, but I still love 1 more, maybe nostalgia glasses IDK
SH4 was the only one to make me feel the same anxiety but in a different way, great game, love spying on my neighbor
Didn't play 2 or 3
sh1 is boring, I gave up around the sewers or something
sh4 was fun, but I lost the disk
>the sewers
worst section of SH1, it gets way better after that
Can we at least agree that Heather is the best protag
As a bonafide SH2freak, yes.
Definitely the funnest protag
1 is such a creepy game and there's nothing quite like it. There's something so peculiar about it that they've never quite been able to capture again. It's the best in the whole franchise even if other games have more polish to them.
Is tis a ligma space?????
What do you mean by polish? I don't think any other game is as polished as 1. Especially in terms of level design and environment, and I would argue even animations during gameplay.
The thing that separates 1 from the rest, and from other games in general imo is that 1 is an actual work of surrealism, while the rest of the game merely have an influence or moment here or there.
This.
SH1 at least attempted to make the TOWN one major draw of the game. Actually getting to explore a believable looking small city resulted much less linear approach and plenty of replay value. The sequels toned down the actual town-roaming a ton, and we've yet to return to the Old Silent Hill areas even once.
Didn't Origins bring back the same map layout or am I misremembering?
>"WOW, we're only on our second date and you already want to marry me? What a freaking loser HAHAHA"
3 > 4 > 1 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Reddit Hill 2
>Reddit Hill 2
yet 3 is all about stronk womyn and abortions?
>stronk womyn and abortions
of course the butthurt Reddit Hill 2 gay is a chud lol
>zero arguments
go twerk to your pop intro, lad
>I'd sit around and cry for your loooove
>chud seething about imaginary ''stronk women'' and ''abortion'' agenda counts as argument to him
i always knew Reddit Hill 2 gays are sub-60 IQ subhumans
nta but plebbit is all about praising strong women and is mostly proabortions you brainlet just kys
Why do people who despise Reddit know so much about it? I couldn't tell you shit about how that place works, it'd require me to care long enough to learn.
reddit = cringe, bad
Ganker = cringe, bad but I agree with it
many picrels showing it locking based shit as soon as it gets going, and propping up absolute homosexualry
>
we're talking about SH3 game not the Reddit website you morons
are you chuds going too far to claim SH3 is actually woke and Heather is troony? oh wait i do remember seeing a Gankemoron calling SH3 a troony game so i guess you Reddit Hill 2 chuds really reached that point of mental breakdown
Is SH2 woke and is james a troony?
anon pointed out that 3 lines more with plebbit's shit and now you're moving goalposts with muh troony. homosexual
>anon pointed out that 3 lines more with plebbit's shit
sure thing homosexual, yo didn't point shit, there is no woke agenda in SH3, you're just an assblasted chud mad at the sight of someone not liking Reddit Hill 2
>says reddit hill 2
>anons says doesnt SH3 have X and Y tho?
>YOU DIDNT POINT OUT SHIT
It wasnt me but ffs go eat a bullet ya nonce.
(You) playing as Heather makes you a troony. Where's my gold medal?
>be a redditor
>play as Heather in SH3
>Wow! it's like am a real girl!
>submits a post in Reddit calling Heather an icon of the LGBT
i won't be surprised if that was their reasoning
>imaginary agenda
lmao moron exposed as an actual pedditor. go back
wtf is wrong with you people, does reddit make you write this unhinged baby speach??
>baby speach
irony
Checkd. And dont forget that it had the input of women to the point of changing the protag
no wonder it was the iteration that made yamaoka go all homosexual
nvm anon, calling it such makes him feel special
Devaluating silent hill 2 to reddit hill... only in Ganker, breaks my heart
notice how the single anon doing so has no arguments other than
>bc reddit likes it
same anon cooming all over SH3, also liked by reddit
Choose
3. obviously.
middle one, what a bawd
>2
>3
>4
>1
What was the movie name that sh2 rip off? I dont remember and i wanna watch it.
Jacobs Ladder?
Reddit Hill 2 ripped off Lost Highway
Yeah lost highway, thanks anons
Jacobs ladder pretty good movie. A shame not too many people watched it.
>thanks anons
No problem. Now can you suck my dick?
It's not as good as I remember it, it's peak aesthetics, but the plot is kind of a mess and not in a good way, I think it was trying to strike lot's of serious emotional chords and it falls flat on most of them. Tim Robins is still great
its inspirations were mostly the book crime and punishment and the movies jacob's ladder and lost highway
Solaris
1 > 3 > 2 > 4 = 0 > HC > SM >>> DP
3 is a hallway. Only marginally above movie game. While we're on movies, they all ake influence from them but 3 gets it from Japanese goofy pulp horror instead of kino.
It would be rightfully rated the worst of all four if not for the waifu-bait protagonist. Yes, Heather is waifu bait the same way as "anti-heroes" are just a subcategory of heroes.
Choose
I can fix her
Where's dahlia
>mental illness roaster
ACAP and all but cop girlfriend is still the best choice.
>no Cheryl or Laura
:/
Cybil I guess.
Heather of course
Nurse. Free healthcare. Double win.
Fatal Frame is better than Silent Hill, but it was too Japanese so it never got the respect it deserved.
>le spoopy ghosts woooo
boring
Japanese horror movies are just garbage. Is it like that?
Well yeah, Fatal Frame is just the peak of survival horror. Best atmosphere and most creative take on combat.
I think FF has great combat, but in terms of aesthetics, atmosphere, story exposition and presentation is nowhere near as good as SH.
To each their own, I love the aesthetics of decrepit Japanese mansions like the Himuro Mansion and the Manor of Sleep, and narratively these games have a more historical focus than a psychological one, it's more about learning the ins and outs of regional rituals and how they went horribly wrong. I think it's as good, it's just very different in its quality as they end up quite oppressively dark and depressing in their own way.
Fatal Frame 1 is a classic game
Reddit Frame 2 is overrated
Fatal Frame 3 is great and the best in the series
Fatal Frame 4 is good but the shitty motiion controls are holding it down
Coomer Frame 5 is garbage, absolute filth, most of the attention it got was from assblasted coomers and chuds seething about the censored swimsuit costumes
>Reddit Frame 2 is overrated
Oh frick off with this.
On topic: What's the deal with Spirit Camera for 3DS? I've only recently found out about it.
>Oh frick off with this.
it's true, Reddit Frame: The Miss Adventures Of The e-girl Twins is the FF equivalent to Reddit Hill 2
both are vastly overrated and taking most of the attention and recognition the other better games in the series deserves more
and it's hands down the least scary title out of the triology
>Spirit Camera for 3DS?
we don't talk about it, same way we never talk about SH Book Of Memories
some mistakes are better left forgotten
kys samegay you did not point shit
>Reddit Frame 2
>Reddit Hill 2
aw he thinks he's an adult
SH2 and FF2 are both overrated but mostly because they're the easiest games of their respective series. Both of them are polished and accessible starting points and the only real thing to hold against them are homosexuals saying they're the best ones because they got filtered or didn't even try the others. But on their own they are both very good games, just not the best ones.
>The Miss Adventures Of The e-girl Twins
>e-girl
Found the actual redditor kek
I liked Spirit Camera and honestly, it was my first Fatal Frame. That said, it is basically spooky Face Raiders and it's only 2 hours long. The worst thing about it (aside from it reportedly starting as a FF1 remake before Nintendo intervened) is that the 3DS camera is so shit that you basically have to play it in daylight so it can read the AR book. But as a game I liked it for what it was.
Pitting them against each other is completely moronic. Beyond both being fixed camera survival horror there are no similarities. That being said, FF 1-3 are great. The sequels improved on 1s foundation but I feel like 1 was a lot creepier, the ghosts were weirder and less human and they kind of lost that in the sequels.
>dude those two franchises from the same genre are totally different, it makes no sense to compare them at all!!!
go back to r*ddit you homosexual, you kind contribute nothing to any conversation
>I MUST turn all discussion into tribalist shitposting!
have a nice day
most ITT are underage, they crave pitting shit against others like toys
>most ITT are underage
highly doubt it, underage gays in this day and age playing SH is an unrealistic scenario
the games are tool old for them, the only exception might be them watching a playthrough of Reddit Hill 2 or maybe even playing it after their favorite e-celeb shills it to them
This. Since the silent hill games are not available on anything current except for the old port of SH4 on GOG no zoomers are playing them. I hope that SH2 and 3 come to GOG. I don't have my old pc CD ROM copy of 3 anymore and I'd love to see 3 get an enhanced edition patch like 2 did.
Homecoming is on Steam btw. But for some reason you have to play it on 720p or it fricks up. Not really worth it tbh. Doesn't have the vibe of the original games. Way too Americanised.
The plot of Jacobs ladder is boring af. Everyone only remembers it for the hellish iconography of the interiors that SH3 ripped off pretty well.
We are never getting a new SH anon. Hideo Kojima fricked it with too much hype at the wrong time.
Shattered memories was a decent game aside from those Reddit tier sections where you have to run away from monsters and get a flare out.
SH2 is liked by a lot of zoomers who listen to yahtzee whereas Sh3 is shit on for the same reasons. It's been a thing forever.
this homosexual here is the a big reason why zoomers and redditors jerks off only to 2 and thinks everything after it was bad, his entire video can be shortened to ''SH3 is bad because it's not like Reddit Hill 2!''
I hate that furry cuck
Imagine building your worldview around what an youtuber said to the point you rename a vidya in response. 2 was always well-received and praised even then, by both journos and gamers alike. The only ones seething were the japanese bc it was too different from 1, the same people that gobble up samey Dragon Quests for breakfast
all those reviews are a proof Reddit Hill 2 was a trendy shilled game since day 1
it's like Elden Ring getting all those 10's despite the glaring flaws in it
Reddit Hill 2 had tons of flaws mainly the shitty gameplay (mostly the combat), the gameplay is the most important aspect of a game and for a game with a terrible or the very best a decent gameplay getting a 10/10 score from most reviewers is a definite proof something really wrong is going on
>Inb4 b-b-but gameplay doesn't matter in horror games! it's okay if Reddit Hill 2 has god awful gameplay it's still Le masterpiece!!!
kys
You're moving goalposts and then go for an absolute strawman. You first claimed that it was because of a youtuber, now you're saying reviews from 2001 are prove that (...)
This is the sole reason you're seething over 2: you're braindead.
>You first claimed that it was because of a youtuber
when did i say that you moronic subhuman? i said the false narrative that ''2 is the only good game in the series and the others are bad because they aren't like it'' is a Youtube/Reddit invention
but Reddit Hill 2 being an overrated piece of shit has been known since day 1, why do you think the SH movie featured Reddit Head? why do you think Origins ripped him off and why Homecoming milked him? and why do you think after game after 4 was just copying Reddit Hill 2 plot? yes my dear redditor your shit game was already overrated and jerked off by the lowest common denominator of gamers and jornos
>it's shit because it was copied and milked
show me where the red pyramid touched you
it's overrated because the movies and future games milked it over and over
how do you cope with that? every redditor and
zoomer knows who is your precious Reddit Head and call themselves fans of him lol
lmao holy shit you're actually moronic
i accept your concession Redditor-kun
dude has been saying reddit every 2 words non stop, what hints did you need to figure it out?
stfu Black person. ffs this brainlet completely ruined a comfy thread
>no argument
typical Reddit Hill 2 gay
SH threads haven't been comfy for a decade now. 2012 was not a good year for this series.
>Reddit Hill
>Reddit Head
>r*ddit
holy rent free
>still no argument
kek, not even worth a (you)
he's /our/ barry
who the frick is barry? please do not bring online drama from other fanbases here, this isn't reddit
You know exactly who Barry is, since you're following his playbook to the letter. Shit, you might just be Barry, getting tired of JRPG threads.
whatever you say redditor
the way barry gets assblasted whenever someone shows some love for SH2 just makes 2 even greater.
>this game makes someone butthurt and this makes me like it even more
that's called contrarianism
it solidifies its filtering power. barry got filtered and has been seething all over ITT
Reddit Hill 2 sucks
>IF IT'S MILKED AND OTHERS LIKE THE MILKING THEN IT MEANS THE ORIGINAL SUCKS
This is where you're at. You argue like a woman but you'll never be one.
>redditor reading comprehension
kek, i was explaining to your inbred ass that Reddit Hill 2 and Reddit Head are overrated getting milked and ripped off constantly
as for the matter of the original work sucking or not then the answer is obvious, yes they fricking sucks and it does not need explaining
please stop saying Reddit Hill, you sound brain damaged
>mainly the shitty gameplay (mostly the combat), the gameplay is the most important aspect of a game
Survival horror is an interesting genre in part because the mechanics AREN'T the most important part, tone and atmosphere are. SH in general has shitty gameplay but that's in service to the narrative of everymen stuck in a nightmare scenario. James Sunderland isn't Chris Redfield and neither was Harry Mason, they literally aren't fit for combat. In a survival horror game, it's okay for combat to be shit so long as you have alternatives to solve problems. Unfortunately, this generally means the boss battles are shit but eh, that's a genre wide problem and not just Silent Hill.
>it's okay for combat to be shit
i bet you are one of those homosexuals believing that the shitty gameplay in Reddit Hill 2 was intentional to immerse you in the rile of James an average man with no combat training
oh and tell me how the bad voice acting was intentional as well to make it feel like a Lynchian movie you homosexual
kys
>and neither was Harry Mason
Combat is also shit in SH1, anon. Hell, Harry has it worse because the enemies in SH1 hit harder and faster, fighting is an even worse option than it is in SH2. At least in that game they mostly just stand around menacingly, SH1 is basically a Detroit sim.
>sh1 new game +
>get to the school
>"WELCOME TO THE GANGBANG"
I died all of once on Normal but the enemies are out of fricking control in SH1's ng+.
>James Sunderland isn't Chris Redfield
he didnt punch a boulder but he did press a pillow
I cannot imagine how fricking zoomer you have to be to unironically suggest that SH2s praise comes from late 2010s youtube video essays. SH2 has ALWAYS had by far the biggest spotlight of the entries. Do you think that Pyramid Head has always been the face of the series because of some homosexuals 2018 youtube video?
>picrel
shattered memories' harry would be all over it
There's a difference between appreciating 2 and dismissing the rest because they aren't 2. The former is fine, the latter is for braindead homosexuals.
Obviously. There's also a difference between praising the other entries, and acting like 2 is dogshit because it gets the most praise. Most people who do this shit are zoomers who haven't even actually played ANY silent hill, just watch video essays and listen to the OST.
>everyone who doesn't like 2 is a zoomer and they didn't even play it to begin with!!!
you are exactly the same shit as that guy calling everyone who likes 2 a redditor
That's not what I meant. I meant that people making asinine statements like
>Every SH game that isn't 2 is dogshit
or
>SH2 is godawful trash because it's popular
with no in-between likely have not even touched the games.
/v/gays are simply unable to deal with disparate opinions without equating them to a bogeyman
Ganker is the only place on the internet where you're allowed to have disparate opinions about video games.
really hate the tim burton tentacles on this pic...
4 has the best plot, but worst gameplay. Debate me.
No. 2 has best plot but 4 has better plot than 1 and 3
2 has no plot it has mentally ill homosexuals walking and talking
filtered
Yeah, I filtered that game. It was shit! It tried to appeal to pseuds, finally found its audience in plebbit.
>finally found its audience in plebbit.
imagine thinking sh2 wasnt celebrated in the west before reddit lmao frick off zoomie
imagine being an amerimutt
>west
>just america
imagine being (you)
>people jerked off Reddit Hill 2 before reddit was a thing
huh, it's like people with shit taste always existed.....
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Silent Hill 2 was the best, but a remake of the original would be amazing
Downpour was kino.
1=2>3>>>>>>>>>4
Heather's movie actress was super cute
Shame Heather's character was utterly butchered in the movies
why 2gays always ignore talking about the gameplay? it's fricking atrocious in 2 there is no way you can give a 9 or a 10 score a game with shitty gameplay like that unless you are a brainlet homosexual
>it's fricking atrocious in 2
It isnt? It was an improvement over 1 and 3 improved on it, both ever so slightly
1 is better because the enemies are more of a threat. Aside from Pyramid Head, enemies in 2 are just north of asleep at the wheel.
>It was an improvement over 1
stopped reading there, lmao imagine believing this
2>4>1>3
What the frick I swear I've seen like half of the posts ITT yesterday in another SH thread as well.
That's because every single SH thread is
>I want to frick Heather
>REDDIT hill 2 is overrated
>implying any game after 1 is good
>1 is dated
>bickering about whether 4 is the magnum opus of the series or irredeemable unplayable dogshit
>[insert the current bullshit new SH game rumor of the week]
>new SH game rumor of the week
speaking of this, any updates on that ''leak'' with that minger girl and the artwork of the pink colored tumbler monster?
and that's a good thing
God I love American writing.
To be fair, the two dahlias have absolutely nothing in common beyond their name. ShatMems only has anything to do with SH1 as a ploy to trick KONAMI into greenlighting it after rejecting Silent Hill Cold Heart.
>Silent Hill Cold Heart
Silent Hill Wild at Heart
>I'm not your Sailor!
climax studio is english, so was the writer
she was unmemorable as frick, the only thing i remember about her is Harry fricking her on a boat or some shit
SH1: emulate it on Duckstation
Reddit Hill 2: google the Enhanced Edition
SH3: download it from IGG or some other website and read it's PCgaminwiki page for the patches ad fixes you need
SH4: get the Gog version legally or illegally
Origins: emulate it on PPSSPP
Homecoming: same steps as SH3
Shattered Memories: emulate it on PPSSPP or PCSX2
Downpour: emulate it on RPCS3
How do I play the entire silent hill series on PC? I recently bought that resident evil bundle with every main game + 0 and both revolutions and want to try a real horror game series
This one might be a touch outdated but it's still good. For Silent Hill 2 you can actually just download the game from the pastebin in the image, use a program like wincdemu to install it, then follow the directions here
https://enhanced.townofsilenthill.com/SH2/
for the enhanced patches. Play in release order/
How old is mednafen? What ways are it better than duckstatsion?
Mednafen is a pain while duckstation is easy, has loads of compatibility and makes the games look great/run great. I switched not too long ago and regret waiting this whole time.
mednafen fricking sucks, don't listen to the ''muh accuracy'' gays, Duckstation is already highly accurate
also mednafen uses the command-line bullshit which is very dated in this day and age and not worth the trouble when you can run games on Ducktstaion with a single click
1 > 3 > 2 > 4
SH1 is the only game that actually lets you explore the town and visit a great variety of places. The otherworld town feels really oppressive.
Coming out of that SH2 feels like a game cut in half, specially because there's barely any sense of progression until the Hotel.
Then SH3 comes and does horror the best with sound effects that unnerve the shit out of you and amazing graphics for the time, really pushing the PS2.
SH4 is a great game, but it is a graphical downgrade from 2 and 3, which is much more noticible because of the first person perspective. The apartment was a great ideia, but it lacks random events, in a way that you are forced to return for inventory management even though there's nothing new to be seen until a location is cleared. It is the game that would benefit the most from a remake.
Sigma choice.
Good flashlight physics. Barely a video game, though.
>Barely a video game
moron
>Alan Wake but without combat
I feel like alan wakes combat would work pretty well in a sh game. Especially the reload system
2>1>>3
never played 4
2=3>1>4
1=2=3=/=4
Finally
Sometimes I wonder just what Heather Mason did after SH3. She survived this nightmare world that defies all logical explanation, so what does she do after? Go get a job somewhere? She isn't well-off, you can see that from the apartment she lived in with Harry. So she does... what? Is "Reincarnated Idol Of A Mysterious Death Cult" a marketable skill?
1>2>haven't played 3>4
One is the better horror game while 2 is more of a psychological thing. It's good but extremely overrated. 4 sucks shit through a straw. I love the concept and I love Henry's autism but the gameplay is fricking awful
Why do Silent Hill threads always turn into shitflinging and comparing everything an anon doesn't like as Reddit?
For the games, I don't really have a favourite as they each do their own thing extremely well.
SH1 still scares me with those fricking dogs and I love the slow uncovering of the cult
SH2 is a masterpiece in interactive psychological examination with top tier music to boot: Mary's letter still makes me tear up
SH 3 has a spunky protagonist and much more emphasis on movie style cutscenes and characters.
>no mention of 4
go back to r*ddit you gayggot
>Why do Silent Hill threads always turn into shitflinging and comparing everything an anon doesn't like as Reddit?
Literally because of a single dedicated mental case. He's our Barry.
tsk tsk why you skipped mentioning SH4, anon?
I found SH4 unplayable, you can call it filtered, but the basic game mechanics are jank to play with. I also didn't enjoy doing escort quests, and having such a limited scope of environments.
All of this makes sense though from the lense that SH4 was its own IP until around 80% through the developement process where it got kicked into being a SH title.
>All of this makes sense though from the lense that SH4 was its own IP until around 80% through the developement process where it got kicked into being a SH title.
no no no no no the Reddit Hill 2 gay believed in this reddit fairy tale
anyway kys you homosexual for having a shit taste
>SH4 was its own IP until around 80% through the developement process
That's a misconception, anon
Not the same team, Reddit Hill-kun.
the team rotated in every iteration eg sato wrote 2, including dialogue for the chicks, unlike owaru which wrote 3 after the highter ups messed with the original plan
>In late 2000s/early 2010s people used to ship Heather with Alex
Why
he was the only other protagonist closer to her age
there was also Henry but he already had Eileen but even so MTV did ship them together once
Reddit Hill sucks btw
>reddit hill
>redditors
>reddit
all in less than 5min. get some help
>redditors
>Reddit Hill
>Almost all the people in the comment section under that MTV music video are commenting about how it's MORALLY WRONG and DUISGASTING that 17 YEAR OLD (practically almost 18) girl could be in a relationship with OVER 20 YEAR OLD guy
Why are Americans like this
soulless israelitemutt bugmen
Well it took a while before the schizo to show up. Maybe one day the schizos will leave Silent Hill alone. LMAO IF THAT COULD HAPPEN XD
>Ganker.org browsers are so delusionally contrarian that more than one anon has started championing Silent Hill 4 as the best game in the series
absolutely fascinating
redditors like 2
contrarians like 4
pseuds like 1
patricians like 3
Personally I'm a SH2 guy and always will be. But you're either a SH2 guy or a SH1/3 guy, that's how it's always been.
NOBODY is a SH4 guy, this is a new development in the Silent Hill fan ecosystem thanks to a surge in popularity of the series causing insane amounts of contarianism from anons who don't actually like videogames. I will be keeping an eye on it closely.
>NOBODY is a SH4 guy
why not? sure 4 may not be the best in the series but it's definitely better than Reddit Hill 2 whom the majority seems to like the most (they mostly only played 2 tho)
I enjoyed them all in their own way, knowing perfectly well that 3 was in direct response to 2 being shat on in japan for being too different from 1. 4 goes in interesting ways and although rough it still manages to shine. 2 is definitely my fav, way above the others.
Played them all on release
I like Origins.
Well, well. Look at the hillbilly pulling up in his fancy American truck
yeah, i't's fricking cletus
People who like SH4 literally never say that it's "the best game in the series" or even that the game is a "masterpiece". They just say that SH4 is simply a good game worth playing and that people who say that it's "trash" seriously over exaggerate all of its flaws and claim that it's 30 times worse than it actually is.
Nitrorad perfectly summed it up in his review https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzP6AVjti7A.
>e-celebs
You're even gayer than the homosexual trying to bring down this thread.
Nitro rad is nowhere near as popular to be considered an "e-celeb" and his SH4 review is genuinely fantastic. He perfectly points out all the good and bad things about the game and a ton of things that most people ignore about it when it comes to both gameplay and plot. He's also right about the game having the best story in the whole series.
'E-celeb' never had anything to do with actual or perceived popularity, it's just morons with essay videos who think their opinions matter. Frick off with that.
I never played these but watched based DSP play them. I was ready to shit on SH2 because that is the game most lauded by obnoxious pseuds, but it genuinely is the most interesting use of SH themes, and the cult shit in 1&3 are just lame in comparison.
>le cult is lameeeee
this has to be the worst take to come out of zoomers playing SH. I also blame Origins for making them a bunch of morons in robes summoning diablo™.
compared to SH2 the cult stuff is lame.
I don't go to reddit, gay.
It's always the same, cult = lame, but no insight...
alright, give me the insight.
what you'd expect from a Reddit Hill 2 gay
they lack the necessary intelligence to understand the esoteric deep symbolism behind 1, 3 and 4
funny thing is Reddit Hill 2 is even the weakest out of the first 4 games when it comes to psychological horror elements but redditors will never know that because they only watch hour long analyse videos of Reddit Hill 2 alone
god damnit, I´m starting to get on your side moron-kun
>penis worm is ungraspable symbolism
Being moronic I can forgive, but falling for one?
it's just samegayging, anon
Oh thank god
Nah, I hate that reddit screaming gay, but him throwing shit at a ¨cult=lame¨ shit stain I can get behind...
>first thing he thinks about is the penis worm
you redditors are so predictable
so tell me redditor are the enemies in Reddit Hill 2 have sexual themes mirroring the sexual frustration of James is what count as good symbolism according to you? kek that shit is so r*ddit
take your meds
I didn't even read up to the esoteric deep stuff.... still, you shitting on the cult theme is lame as frick
>Thinks I'm shitting on the cult theme
Oh I'm sorry to hear you're also a complete moron.
wait, so you aren't
then frick off
>mocks the worm boss symbolizing Heather's pregnancy
>praises sexualized monsters in Reddit Hill 2 symbolizing James's sexual frustration
kys
>points out 3s symbolism is neither deeper nor shallower than 2s
Nothing personnel morono
>NOOOO OTHER PEOPLE CAN'T REPOND TO MY BAD POSTS
die
>points out 3s symbolism is neither deeper nor shallower than 2s
so you admit Reddit Hill 2 is not deeper or more complex than 3? watch out redditor this might get you banned from r/silent hill kek
Wow it only took 3 posts for you to understand what I said the first time. This must be a personal record for you
I find it funny that people act like SH2 started the enemies reflecting the subconscious thing when SH1 did that. All of the monsters and enemies come from Alessa's nightmares and past. Just because you are a third party exploring her nightmares doesn't make it any less deep. And yes SH3 has that too but it is Alessa again basically who IS Heather.
exactly, SH1 WAS a psychological horror game but Reddit Hill 2 gays think 2 was the innovative masterpiece introducing the psychological horror elements not only to the series but to the survival horror genre as a whole
they literally think 1 is some B horror movie tier shit about Le evil satanic cult, it's a shame
Yeah I think people give all the credit to SH2 because they see it as a criticism of a seemingly "good guy" who is really a DIRTY KILLER. Even though in my opinion it isn't certain if he truly killed Mary or just felt guilty for his feelings when she was sick. Some people just love shitting on good guy characters I guess. They love writing long essays about how James is a pervert and Pyramid Head is his inner rapist. Personally I saw Pyramid Head maybe as a representation of someone who raped HIM not as his own rapist tendencies. I find it funny that James always has good morals even through the end but people act like he is a secret rapist killer?
3 is about the birth, not the incubator herself. No enemy is about her past specifically unless she was coomed on plus BWC from a burping fat man. Most of the enemies arent even associated with anything. You could say it's also a mix of claudia but that's pure conjecture. And valtiel is a chad
it sucks that badass harry got btfo by such a lame, forgettable monster
Originally Owaru wrote SH3 to be more about her growing up before said Birth. The timeskip made it hard to associate Heather as a person directly with the monsters seeing as now the game had to explain first what she went through her life then the whole deal of incubation, how to go about it and stop it. Hence also why most characters in it fall flat like Douglas and Claudia. And Vincent has only a good single line that leads nowhere.
look dude, if you have no beef with the cult then I have no beef with you, that's all I'm saying
>die
go say that shit to a weeaboo or someone who cares
You're lowing the quality of this thread with your god aweful posting so we definitely have beef.
I´m not the one screaming about reddit, so no...
No you're just backing him up like a bumbling bimbo while he spews nonsense.
Did it just ONCE, motherfricker you are making up a fight in your brain, plz stop
If you dont take it with absolute seriousness nor claim it's deep and complex af, then you're shitting on it. There's no middle ground for these Gankertards.
Everything about the Order is neat but it's not hard to grasp nor mindblowing
>but it genuinely is the most interesting use of SH themes, and the cult shit in 1&3 are just lame in comparison.
that happens to be a very popular reddit take which i assume it's where you've heard it
also
>thinks Reddit Hill 2 is the best and admits he watched a playthrough of them
>no mention 4
the memes are real, Reddit Hill 2 gays are all moronic c**ts
2>1=3>4
1 and 3 are almost interchangeable. They are both super good and do different things well. The one thing that maybe gives 3 the edge is Heather. Great character.
>zoomer gif
>is a Reddit Hill 2 gay
check out
the problem is that 1 does everything in terms of gameplay far better than any sequel, especially 3. The exploration of the open town and especially the different "levels" are significantly better than any other entry, especially 3 which mostly features repetitive hallways that constantly reuse assets. I still love 3, but the subways, otherworld office building, and church are insanely repetitive areas that feel like the same 2-3 hallways over and over, and the hospital is shamelessly copy pasted from 2, although it gets more unique in the otherworld section. I still like 2 best for it's story and atmosphere, but 1 is all killer no filler, and in strict game design terms, easily the series best.
3 was in dev hell from a while. first its original writer left (the one that wrote most of 2) and then konami wanted a totally different genre, and then they got owaru to write a propper SH but then they asked them to rewrite most of it. hence why it feeling so samey
>Silent Hill 3 was originally planned to be a rail shooter, not a direct sequel to the first Silent Hill game, as a result of the initially slow sales and fan criticism of Silent Hill 2 in Japan. According to Masahiro Ito, this decision wasted considerable development time and part of the game's budget.
Considering how SH3 still turned out pretty great, I'd have killed to see it without all Konami's cringe meddling
if there was no Konami meddling then Sato would've have written its plotthemes again so it would've been closer to SH2 i.e. he wasnt interested in the cult stuff. if Sato still left and Owaru took the reins, what he originally had planned was to go way more into Heather's life; iirc even her growing up.
Just boiling it down to "cult stuff" is stupid. There's any number of things you can do on the backdrop of the cult. Silent Hill 2 still involves the cult. SH3s plot was kind of trite and a bit silly in how it handled the cult, but 1 did it really well and I don't think its story gets enough credit as a result of the dated presentation. They could dive deeper into occult themes in a really interesting way, just because it involved the cult doesn't mean it has to be pulpy horror bullshit.
I was just explaining what sato liked to focus on. in his interviews regarding 2 and 3 he appears to prefer leaving the cult in the background as vagueamorphous as possible, and solely focus on it's effects on regular folk with hidden demons. So I'm infering that his SH3 wouldnt eg deal with valtiel nor incubator (at least as it did)
I know. It's interesting how different 3 and 4 turned out given how rushed and troubled the dev on both was. 3 is much more polished but is extremely short and rather "safe" leading to it being kind of boring after 1 and 2, while 4 is has some really interesting, totally unique ideas but is by far the roughest, jankiest game in the series. Personally I think 4 COULD HAVE been the best in the series if it got the proper time it needed, and I'd have strongly preferred to see their original idea for SH3, instead of just retreading 1 but not as good. A lot of people laser-focus on the post-SH4 games and don't realize that KONAMI was completely fricking over the series as soon as SH2 shipped.
1 also, to my knowledge, is the only game that does the non-working radio fakeout, which is peak 'shit gets real' horror. It also has the best industrial freakout music.
Great points. Discussing this series is really hard because 1-3 are so fricking good. I would agree on 1 being the best in design. Exploring the town is an unforgettable experience, which none of the other games come close to. The combat is tense and the puzzles are fun and actually make you think.
2 is my favorite for all the little things it does. The extremely oppressive atmosphere, James' personality and the way he acts seems weird on the first playthrough, but comes together great when you get the details. The biggest flaw would probably be not continuing the exploration from SH1.
Also, 1 feels more... ill intentioned? I don't know how to describe it, but the ideas explored in 2 and 3 about you killing ¨monsters¨ are even worse in SH1, you walk the streets killing dogs, then go to a school and shoot children, then say frick it! and go to a hospital to smash nurses and doctors. I know about the lore and shit, but the stuff that's implied only in gameplay in SH1 is fricking DARK
>1 and 3 are almost interchangeable.
imagine thinking pic related is not the worst Team Silent game
>reddit hill
>no basedjak
>no reddit frog
I'm disappointed
>not posting this
Reddit Hill 2 was a mistake
it ruined the horror genre with it's reddit tier pseud 2Deep4U bullshit
This kills the Barry.
R*ddit Hill 2
Said desperation only makes you more obvious.
cult shit >>>>> Reddit soap opera
4 had the best plot overall
>ctrl+f
>"reddit"
>82 hits
If nobody else will make a proper Silent Hill sequel then I fricking will! (In probably 10 years minimum wish me luck)
>If nobody else will make a proper Silent Hill sequel then I fricking will!
You and 100+ indie devs with how much the line "inspired by Silent Hill" is thrown around.
Well ideally my game would be good but if its not at least I got to play with video game engines.
SH4 is just not the same as the others stop pretending. It seems to still have some soul but it barely feels like an SH game more like a new horror game they slapped SH onto because they wanted MONEY
i could say the same thing about Reddit Hill 2 being very different from the first game
Not at all it is the natural next step in many ways. SH4 is just an action game with the same character designer as SH
It was always planned to be a silent hill. after SH2 konami divided the team and one began developing a different take yet still same genre called Room 302 while the other began developing an on rail shooter that eventually became SH3. Silent hill isnt a fixed thing, it can take many forms and the first team played with that idea -- it eventually became 4 the room.
Meh okay but the original form of SH 1 - 3 is what makes it so special. There are tons of rail shooters out there but not as many classic survival horror. I guess rail shooters are dead too now but still.
Konami later went back to the rail shooter idea with Silent Hill: Arcade. Despite 2 flopping in JP it was a success in the west so they immediately tried turning it into a huge franchise like RE. Like another anon said, people shit solely on the western devs but Konami was already fricking everything up for team silent since 2001
this thread theme
am tired of Reddit Hill 2 homosexualry ruining any discussion of the series
I swear to god sh1 is the actual pseud's choice because they always talk like they're time first person ever to realize the gray children meant alessa was getting bullied.
>Bro... wait till you see the drawing in her room! Literally no one has ever thought of this before!
most of you wankers talking about SYMBOLISM when actually the implications of going to a school to murder children is far more fricked up than bullying... feel the vibes, stop analyzing them
My point was nobody's bringing anything new to the table and acting like they are. Ironically this got you to bring something new to the table, funny how that works out
Nah, I love SH1 because it's very disorienting, it doesn't give you any plot until near the end of the game, and it does the most to destabilize the player out of the series. I'm always a little disappointed that exploring the town that is actively trying to kill you is never really a focus again.
All the small moments make it special... remember in the otherworld school entering one door just teleported you to a different part of the map? So many things like that just completely put you out of your comfort zone, you never know wtf is going on and no other game quite pulls that off. The sequels do, but only in moments.
>exploring the town that is actively trying to kill you is never really a focus again.
Downpour is basically open world SH
I should amend, I didn't mean to imply only pseuds like silent hill 1. It has a lot of merits beyond that obviously.
I love SH2 symbolism too I just think everyone sees it as a character criticism of James. I am tired of that perspective in EVERYTHING. Actually in Silent Hill the world itself is essentially a character too. That is part of what makes it so wild. The world around you feels alive and does strange things like add a floor to a building that wasn't there before. Yet everyone seems to read SH2 as James being evil and bad even though the world of SH is alive and clearly very bad... it is tormenting James using his greatest weaknesses. You even get the bad ending if the enemies damage you too much for too long. But everyone ignores that to talk about how James is a rapist killer.
before this thread gets archived i just want to say i don't really think Reddit Hill 2 is garbage, it's actually a good game but i do still believe it's the weakest link of Team Silent games and it's very very very overrated and r*ddit