Eugenics until the galaxy is full of mini emperors that may or may not be psychic, dont know if he planned for humans to go full mind power or full blank.
Sounds like the Watchers are morons. Gayoss exists because of physical rules governing particle interactions. They're not even the apex predators in the Warp, they get completely and utterly mogged by Enslavers, who are just fucking jellyfish. Why do retards like you conflate limited power to alter physical space via known pathways (Warp interference) which can be countered by biology (Blanks) and technology (pylons) with fucking divinity?
> they get completely and utterly mogged by Enslavers,
That's false. The lore in the main rulebook states that the most dangerous predators in the warp are the daemons of Chaos. Moreover, the recent Guy Haley novel about the Blood Angels has the PoV of the Enslavers. The Enslavers are a dying race. The reality bubbles that used to carry them around the Warp can no longer endure the worsening conditions of the Warp. They flee from daemons and eat whatever leftovers they leave behind.
Furthermore, the lore (again main rulebook) states that the Chaos Gods are the most powerful entities in the Warp. The Chaos Gods have destroyed entire universes before and will do so again. They are unstoppable. The Watchers in the Dark, existing outside of space and time, surely witnessed the same cycle replaying over and over.
Ergo, you are a lorelet. I mean Enslavers, really? Did you watch a lore video about them so you brought them up as if they matter? They too are punching bags for Chaos.
That's not canon. Chaos is too eternal and cosmically widespread to be defeated in such an asinine way. That's on top of Chaos feeding on emotions, not worship. Refer to Malcador's monologue in volume 1 of the End of the Death.
The Emperor's plot was to isolate humanity from the Warp. Not to take over the Warp. That's impossible.
What's the deal with that chaos cuckery? What "entire universes"? What "cosmically widespread"?
The titbits from AoS you mean?
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>What "entire universes"? What "cosmically widespread"?
it is mostly little tidbits from novels and author interviews that say this, we have yet to see it in action as far as I know
but there are some sources saying 40k is somehow linked to the old warhammer fantasy setting
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Bits from actually 40K material. Like DoB and End and the Death volume 1.
The latter said that the daemons were coming from the Warp, other realities, and other spaces to invade Terra.
Also, two recent WD issues stated that Chaos one and the same in every Warhammer universe (Fantasy, Bloodbowl, AoS, and 40K). Slaanesh was given as an example. He was born in 40K but moved to fantasy.
The term multiverse was used in 40K and AoS.
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Oh so this guy
>What "entire universes"? What "cosmically widespread"?
it is mostly little tidbits from novels and author interviews that say this, we have yet to see it in action as far as I know
but there are some sources saying 40k is somehow linked to the old warhammer fantasy setting
It all started with that retard adb who started wanking chaos as eternal cosmic horror entities, completely missing that their entire point is they're very much invested into and connected with humanity (the polar opposite of cosmic horror), and that you already have TWO fucking cosmic horror factions (C'tan and Tyranid hivemind). The 4 fagola gods got their shit pushed in by Big E so hard they actually freezed their ''eternal'' (younger that the Necrons, lmao) rivalry and worked together to subvert him in the most craven, cowardly way possible, sure sounds like infinitely powerful cosmic horrors to me.
The Imperium discovers the magic button labeled "Banish all Chaos to the immaterium and make it so nothing from there can ever cross over into this universe ever again forever and there's no loopholes to get around this" and they press it.
So they find and activate the necron pylons? Severing the immaterium from the materium kills the soul anon. Until humanity is separated from the soul, they don't survive this.
That's false. Chaos was an every present threat. Be'lakor was conquering and destroying space empires for millions of years for example. The Chaos Gods were known to the Pre-Fall Aeldari and they were described as being as ancient as their own gods. Source of the Asurman novel.
>laughs in talon hand signals
How can wily spirits be real if our souls aren't even real? The Sisters of Silence are peak evolution, curated for breeding ubermensch.
>Chaos is innate to human consciousness.
This is how I know you've never read any 40k lore for yourself. Even as early as fucking 3rd-edition it was hard canon that the Heresy happened because The Emperor's Truth was actually killing chaos.
That's not canon. Chaos is too eternal and cosmically widespread to be defeated in such an asinine way. That's on top of Chaos feeding on emotions, not worship. Refer to Malcador's monologue in volume 1 of the End of the Death.
The Emperor's plot was to isolate humanity from the Warp. Not to take over the Warp. That's impossible.
There was no Imperial Truth in 3rd ed, first mention of it is in Horus Rising 2006, that's after 4th ed started.
Beside chaos is not powered by belief but by action. As
That's not canon. Chaos is too eternal and cosmically widespread to be defeated in such an asinine way. That's on top of Chaos feeding on emotions, not worship. Refer to Malcador's monologue in volume 1 of the End of the Death.
The Emperor's plot was to isolate humanity from the Warp. Not to take over the Warp. That's impossible.
pointed out. Imperial Guard killing traitors empower Khorne, state of Imperium empower Nurgle, excess empower Slaanesh(see birth of Slaanesh), Ahriman biggest champion of Tzeentch don't even worship him, but god of change don;t need worshipers he need pawns.
So you proved yourself lorelet while trying to look smart.
The Imperium finds an ancient Old One device called the 'Calm the fuck downener' which was meant to be pressed after the war in heaven to soothe the Immaterium back to a still pond.
They press it and big bullshit plot magic happens resulting in Chaos going back to a flatline.
This is a lie that Chaos tells you - that it is immortal and immanent. The simple fact is that the Warp Entities that call themselves "Chaos Gods" are just a small group of all too finite beings and they haven't been around for as nearly as long as they pretend that have been.
There are many other intelligences in the Warp, and a good number of them scare those almighty Chaos Gods absolutely fucking shitless.
Idiot. The Enslavers are not Warp beings. They are physical beings that use the Warp as a method of transport. Without their reality bubbles, they would die in the Warp. They usually flee from daemons.
>Where does it say that?
Void Dragon is the most powerful of the C'tan, tough to the point that Big E couldn't kill him despite beating him, and literally feeds on souls as opposed to Chaos entities who ''eat'' them by adding the soul energy to their bulk. >Depends who is writing
No it doesn't. they are made and sustained by emotions of sentient beings, cosmic horror is something like C'tan and Tyranids, completely unknowable alien minds that do not operate on any remotely similar system of values and ideas like humans. Spooky space tentacles don't mean cosmic horror, an alien entity/force that wipes entire civilizations out of existence simply as a part of it's life cycle without any real malice or consideration does.
All you said is fanfiction. The Void Dragon was sharded and some of his shards got beaten up
>All you said is fanfiction
Which part, that the Emperor had to imprison Void Dragon on Mars because the couldn't kill him, that Void dragon eats souls or that Chaos entities don't actually eat souls which is literally their core lore?
The part about the Emperor not being able to kill the Void Dragon.
1-The Void Dragon was sharded. Shards are a shit that can be perma-killed. The Emperort fought the shard.
2-The only info we have about the confrontation comes from the dreams of the shard which are specifically stated to be unreliable in the novel.
>period of peace >no more reason to keep military pumped up as it is >lack of external enemies leads to even stronger factionalism >sooner or later imperium shatters into spliter factions or suffers another mayor civil war >imperium might disappear or change into another (or several) forms of interstellar governance >new aliens or warp being emerge
One way or another, peace will kill the Imperium
That's fine. The Imperium exists to preserve mankind from existential threats from beyond the pale. If those were eliminated, the Imperium's dissolution would be a good thing. Humanity could diverge and spread across the galaxy, forming their own societies and empires. It wouldn't be perfect, but it would be a hell of a lot more hopeful than 40K. I'm sure it would be what the Emperor would want too.
The already fucked administration of the imperium, with no real signs of being fixed, slowly grinds away at itself until whoever the current regent is can barely get a sector to listen to him
They exist as a race of Emperor-equivalents. Each human will be the Emperor, and the Emperor himself will fade away into the mists of history, finally able to be what he always wanted: just one among the crowd.
The Imperium falls apart into infighting and ends up creating new xenos, robots, and warp gods which end up usurping it and leading to the downfall and destruction of humanity.
Pretty much the only way they can defeat even some of the other factions (other than the tau, and some of the smaller subfactions) is if someone like Bobby G radically overhauls everything in the Imperium
But then it would be a completely different Imperium
>Also chaos is unbeatable
Literary if Void Dragon woke up tomorrow he would just go into the warp and suck up all that yummu souls stuff with the 4 pozz ''gods'' helplessly screeching as they're devoured by an actual Lovecraftian cosmic entity. Same if the bulk of the Tyranids got here. Chaos isn't even the second biggest threat, fuck, even the Orks are more dangerous when they actually get their shit together.
>Literary if Void Dragon woke up tomorrow he would just go into the warp and suck up all that yummu souls stuff with the 4 pozz ''gods'' helplessly screeching as they're devoured by an actual Lovecraftian cosmic entity
Where does it say that?
>actual Lovecraftian cosmic entity
Depends who is writing, sometimes Chaos comes across as very Lovecraftian, other times they are heavily flanderized memes
>Where does it say that?
Void Dragon is the most powerful of the C'tan, tough to the point that Big E couldn't kill him despite beating him, and literally feeds on souls as opposed to Chaos entities who ''eat'' them by adding the soul energy to their bulk. >Depends who is writing
No it doesn't. they are made and sustained by emotions of sentient beings, cosmic horror is something like C'tan and Tyranids, completely unknowable alien minds that do not operate on any remotely similar system of values and ideas like humans. Spooky space tentacles don't mean cosmic horror, an alien entity/force that wipes entire civilizations out of existence simply as a part of it's life cycle without any real malice or consideration does.
GW introduces a new Chaos that bears little resemblance to the original, but is BIGGER, has better stats and massively increased prices. GW fanboys slurp that shit up and argue with all the angry collectors of chaos armies in 4/chan on the merits of the new models.
In order to "defeat chaos" the Imperium would essentially have to solve most of their social pathology in the process, so it would now be a pretty nice place.
I wish them good luck getting from here to there if they weren't by Nids already because even if they have inertialess drives, very powerful wormhole technology or magic, they aren't getting from one galaxy to the next anytime fast.
and then all humans band together
and then ogryn want equal rights
and then BLM 40k starts up
and then we get current year political bullshit but in 40k
Presuming some final fight where they managed to catch em all, with no chance of return, that's game- and we probably have Primarchs. Perhaps even the good ones like Dorn and Vulkanagger instead of Taxman and Cypher's Dad. Did the Emperor die? Return? That seems significant
So, there is rebuilding to do. The war ain't over unfortunately, because humans are humans and now there's a few systems and sectors that think they can slip out of the Imperium's rule in a moment of weakness.
A few decades of war will sort that out, and with the warp much more reliable there is nowhere to hide. Astropathy becomes reliable too, so the practical reach of the Imperium strengthens and extends.
The warp fissures close, so the Crone worlds of the Eldar become accessible for exploitation, as does.whatever is in the maelstrom.
The marine chapters never go away. They always retain battle skills- the Tyranids were an intergalactic threat and may not be the only one.
Individual Astartes do reskill as detectives, architects and stuff towards the end of their lives.
The life of the common man won't improve for a long time. Power structures are too ingrained, random factory worker number 24601 is going to be eating recycled krusty brand imitation gruel for decades, if not centuries.
But eventually the peace and prosperity of the galaxy will filter down somewhat. There are new worlds to colonise and exploit, and some of the workers will get the chance to go there and start better lives on space farms. Hive cities see an exodus of the adventurous and desperate to new frontiers, protected from local fauna by the Imperial Guard, which has taken on more of a local pacification role in conjunction with the navy.
All the dark corners of the galaxy get illuminated by a bazillion lasgun rounds and all the archeotech gets recovered by the admech, who have determined that the risk of warp corruption to machines has dropped to zero.
Because machines aren't going to be corrupted by scrapcode, the cogheads can be more adventurous in the pursuit of knowledge. Ritual and dogma remains, but tech improves.
Life gets better in all respects for the Imperium, except for alien slave traders etc.
Rogue traders push the frontiers further into previously enemy held territory. Lost worlds of humanity are brought back into the fold.
The purpose of the Imperium and its sales pitch changes from "saving humankind from all the horrible aliens" to "look at all our hyper tech, lets become gods together, or else" and the psychic evolution of mankind proceeds under the direction of the Emps/Primarchs etc.
>Taxman and Cypher's Dad >the greatest administrator and large-scale military campaign commander and the greatest warrior and battlefield commander >not the two best primarchs you could ask for
the imperium would then crumble. Humanity would continue in some other form or forms with some other leadership or doctrine. But the imperium exists to keep humanity alive in the face of chaos and other similar threats, and it is entirely structured around that opposition as its core tenant. Without the actual threat then the structure would erode and unravel in a few generations. Worse case it causes a lot of damage in a desperate bid to perpetuate itself. But the imperium can't exists in any other universe.
>And then what?
Unless the emperor wakes up and makes them do something more useful, it starts to turn on itself.
Most likely, the Inquisitors first. All their rivalry and factionalism... half the time they're only leaving anybody alive to deal with a bigger fish. The resultant fights draw in everyone else when a few Inquisitors go out of control and start commandeering ships and military or declaring exterminatus on "the last heretic" aka their enemy.
Navy and Guard jockeying for favour with the Inquisition and sector governors turn this much bigger than the relatively isolated incidents it would have been.
The mechanicus starts trying to break away before being swiftly drawn in. They think they don't need protection anymore, but the new wars prove them wrong and forge worlds in isolated sectors find themselves declaring for a side.
Eventually, the space marines end up on the opposite side of some of these fights and things go directly to hell.
It's a new galactic civil war, with no clear lines.
Nobody is trying to take down the Imperium this time. They're just trying to survive and the only thing the Imperium knows how to do to a potential threat is kill it.
Without a clear way to tell who's on what side, we descend into factionalism and schools of thought.
The Guillimanians try to deal with specific instances of warlike activity openly.
The Leonine seek to execute leaders quietly before the heresy can spread.
These not-quite-factions fight each other a lot, but not as much as they fight their own adherents.
The Sol system is fully locked down and eventually a new great crusade is called.
After a hundred years of civil war, the new legions march out from Terra to bring the galaxy to compliance.
The Eternal Crusade has begun its march across the galaxy and back; it will never cease, only turning back to bring the same planets to compliance again and again.
It is clear to all that there is only war and there will only ever be war.
That is what.
>Are there chaos eldars/orks/nekrons/tyranids?
Not so much Necrons and Tyranids, but as for the other two, there used to be but maybe not so much now might be retconned
Chaos Eldar still get mentioned in recent sources, but it has been a while since I have seen Chaos Orks
>Chaos is innate to human consciousness.
This is how I know you've never read any 40k lore for yourself. Even as early as fucking 3rd-edition it was hard canon that the Heresy happened because The Emperor's Truth was actually killing chaos.
That's not canon. Chaos is too eternal and cosmically widespread to be defeated in such an asinine way. That's on top of Chaos feeding on emotions, not worship. Refer to Malcador's monologue in volume 1 of the End of the Death.
The Emperor's plot was to isolate humanity from the Warp. Not to take over the Warp. That's impossible.
It depends who is writing, GW has never bothered to be consistent on this
To be fair, a lot of opinions on this are written from an "in-universe" perspective so aren't necessarily correct
>Necrons
Don't have souls to corrupt >Tyranids
Don't have souls to corrupt >Orks
Have their own gods, also no real reason to pursue Chaos as they have none of the ambitions and desires that lead to it, they could only qualify as Khorne worshippers but they already have their gods so they don't really care >Eldar
I could see a few attempt to worship the other gods to avoid She Who Thirsts, although I'm not sure how that works, does Slaanesh have a permanent claim on all Eldar souls? If so then there aren't, most wouldn't want to anyway.
If GW get to sniff all the warp cocaine and decides the Imperium wipes out all the other factions because,even the eldar because no matter how much they paint him like jesus,Willyboy is still a jackass,that would possibly be the biggest FUCK YOU! to all the players that play Orks,Taus,Votanns,Necrons and Tyranids and of course all the Chaos factions,even way worse than Chaos(including the Skaven eating every faction without an army and the Lizardman) winning and wiping out all the other factions in Warhammer fantasy along with destroying the setting,also yeah,I agree with ,because The Imperium of Mankind in this setting are a pest and skaven levels of assholes,also their factions are very boring and a one trick pony mostly and no matter how much they try to sell me the Guard or the Salamanders as good guys,they are part of the Reason of why we don't have more armies,both human and alien.
It turns upon and rapidly cannibalizes itself. The Imperium is a nightmarish beast that literally only 'survives' because it has enemies to fight. Without those, it would instantly collapse in on itself.
>imperium "manages" to defeat chaos, orks, big chunk of tyrranids, maybe even some dark eldar, maybe even some necrons (because archeotech) >imperium, eldar, tau, dark eldar, necrons so severely deaten down and exhausted by it that noone is fighting anything >emperor finally dies >warp is safe to use and is stabilising >everything starts to fall appart in terms of organisation >just endless skirmishes and localised battles between faction >just endless formation of new nations and alliances, new betrayals, new opportunism >orks are shadow of former self and just indigenous lifeforms on some planets >same with tyrranids who need IG to keep them in check and if things get out of hand - SMs are called in (get all of them Alien vibes - because now 'nids are more likely to inhabit a sever and munch on your shit instead of melting your face off and eating your planet) >eldar do their thing >tau do their thing >dark eldar are your local asshole vandals trying to stick to the "old" ways though some are getting more civil >endless scuffles in former Imperium because Empire never lets go
Id take it. Would be much more fun because its a whole new playing field, and offers plenty of stuff to play with. Want big epic crusade? You got it. Want "can love bloom on the battlefield"? You got it. Want some lone eldar/SM/IG shit? You got it. Want Alien or bodyhorror? YOU GOT IT. >and somewhere, in dark corners of the galaxy and worlds, deranged cultists try to summon their dead gods >it will take some time >enter Malal
There.
After they're done with the big foes they'll kill off all the abhumans and sanctioned psykers. Then those space marines freaks and the mechanical douchebags on Mars. After they're done with all that then they can finally back to the original goal of getting rid of all the black people. They'll never run out of enemies.
Humanity becomes much like the pre-fall Eldar and murderfuck a new Slaanesh into existence or the Emperor becomes a god of hedonistic pleasure because thats what everyone would want.
Eugenics until the galaxy is full of mini emperors that may or may not be psychic, dont know if he planned for humans to go full mind power or full blank.
The Imperium can't "defeat" chaos anymore than they can defeat gravity. Chaos is innate to human consciousness.
They could by taking the Necron route.
That's not true and you know it, chaoshomosexual
Hahahahahahahaha How The Fuck Is Chaos Real Hahahaha Just Walk Away From The Warp Like Brother Close Your Eyes Haha
The Watchers in the Dark said that Chaos can only be delayed it cannot be stopped. And they are cosmic entities that exist outside of space and time
Sounds like the Watchers are morons. Gayoss exists because of physical rules governing particle interactions. They're not even the apex predators in the Warp, they get completely and utterly mogged by Enslavers, who are just fucking jellyfish. Why do retards like you conflate limited power to alter physical space via known pathways (Warp interference) which can be countered by biology (Blanks) and technology (pylons) with fucking divinity?
> they get completely and utterly mogged by Enslavers,
That's false. The lore in the main rulebook states that the most dangerous predators in the warp are the daemons of Chaos. Moreover, the recent Guy Haley novel about the Blood Angels has the PoV of the Enslavers. The Enslavers are a dying race. The reality bubbles that used to carry them around the Warp can no longer endure the worsening conditions of the Warp. They flee from daemons and eat whatever leftovers they leave behind.
Furthermore, the lore (again main rulebook) states that the Chaos Gods are the most powerful entities in the Warp. The Chaos Gods have destroyed entire universes before and will do so again. They are unstoppable. The Watchers in the Dark, existing outside of space and time, surely witnessed the same cycle replaying over and over.
Ergo, you are a lorelet. I mean Enslavers, really? Did you watch a lore video about them so you brought them up as if they matter? They too are punching bags for Chaos.
What's the deal with that chaos cuckery? What "entire universes"? What "cosmically widespread"?
The titbits from AoS you mean?
>What "entire universes"? What "cosmically widespread"?
it is mostly little tidbits from novels and author interviews that say this, we have yet to see it in action as far as I know
but there are some sources saying 40k is somehow linked to the old warhammer fantasy setting
Bits from actually 40K material. Like DoB and End and the Death volume 1.
The latter said that the daemons were coming from the Warp, other realities, and other spaces to invade Terra.
Also, two recent WD issues stated that Chaos one and the same in every Warhammer universe (Fantasy, Bloodbowl, AoS, and 40K). Slaanesh was given as an example. He was born in 40K but moved to fantasy.
The term multiverse was used in 40K and AoS.
Oh so this guy
was right.
It all started with that retard adb who started wanking chaos as eternal cosmic horror entities, completely missing that their entire point is they're very much invested into and connected with humanity (the polar opposite of cosmic horror), and that you already have TWO fucking cosmic horror factions (C'tan and Tyranid hivemind). The 4 fagola gods got their shit pushed in by Big E so hard they actually freezed their ''eternal'' (younger that the Necrons, lmao) rivalry and worked together to subvert him in the most craven, cowardly way possible, sure sounds like infinitely powerful cosmic horrors to me.
The Imperium discovers the magic button labeled "Banish all Chaos to the immaterium and make it so nothing from there can ever cross over into this universe ever again forever and there's no loopholes to get around this" and they press it.
So they find and activate the necron pylons? Severing the immaterium from the materium kills the soul anon. Until humanity is separated from the soul, they don't survive this.
They can contain it, otherwise it would not have taken mass murder to create chaos gods
there were 60,000,000 years of galactic civilization and even warfare without chaos
That's false. Chaos was an every present threat. Be'lakor was conquering and destroying space empires for millions of years for example. The Chaos Gods were known to the Pre-Fall Aeldari and they were described as being as ancient as their own gods. Source of the Asurman novel.
>Be'lakor was conquering and destroying space empires for millions of years for example
Geckos with rocks > Be'lacuck > space empires
Actually, the Lizardmen civilization was destroyed by rocks.
>laughs in talon hand signals
How can wily spirits be real if our souls aren't even real? The Sisters of Silence are peak evolution, curated for breeding ubermensch.
defeating isnt just "killing" anon
they can slave chaos
they can banish chaos
they can harvest chaos and turn it into a energy source
imagine boiling water with the power of slanesh?
>Having to think horny thoughts to turn your kettle on
>imagine boiling water with the power of slanesh?
That sounds like a good way to get into hot water
Just put pylons made of blackstone everywhere, ez
>Just put HERETICAL XENO TECH EVERYWHERE
The Mechanicus is already trying to do just that
Fuck off erebus you lying bald nagger, we're not buying your phony shit.
>and they hated him for he spoke the truth
>Chaos is innate to human consciousness.
This is how I know you've never read any 40k lore for yourself. Even as early as fucking 3rd-edition it was hard canon that the Heresy happened because The Emperor's Truth was actually killing chaos.
That's not canon. Chaos is too eternal and cosmically widespread to be defeated in such an asinine way. That's on top of Chaos feeding on emotions, not worship. Refer to Malcador's monologue in volume 1 of the End of the Death.
The Emperor's plot was to isolate humanity from the Warp. Not to take over the Warp. That's impossible.
There was no Imperial Truth in 3rd ed, first mention of it is in Horus Rising 2006, that's after 4th ed started.
Beside chaos is not powered by belief but by action. As
pointed out. Imperial Guard killing traitors empower Khorne, state of Imperium empower Nurgle, excess empower Slaanesh(see birth of Slaanesh), Ahriman biggest champion of Tzeentch don't even worship him, but god of change don;t need worshipers he need pawns.
So you proved yourself lorelet while trying to look smart.
The Imperium finds an ancient Old One device called the 'Calm the fuck downener' which was meant to be pressed after the war in heaven to soothe the Immaterium back to a still pond.
They press it and big bullshit plot magic happens resulting in Chaos going back to a flatline.
Then all the aliens spontaneously combust.
>Chaos is innate to human consciousness.
This is a lie that Chaos tells you - that it is immortal and immanent. The simple fact is that the Warp Entities that call themselves "Chaos Gods" are just a small group of all too finite beings and they haven't been around for as nearly as long as they pretend that have been.
There are many other intelligences in the Warp, and a good number of them scare those almighty Chaos Gods absolutely fucking shitless.
Idiot. The Enslavers are not Warp beings. They are physical beings that use the Warp as a method of transport. Without their reality bubbles, they would die in the Warp. They usually flee from daemons.
All you said is fanfiction. The Void Dragon was sharded and some of his shards got beaten up
>All you said is fanfiction
Which part, that the Emperor had to imprison Void Dragon on Mars because the couldn't kill him, that Void dragon eats souls or that Chaos entities don't actually eat souls which is literally their core lore?
The part about the Emperor not being able to kill the Void Dragon.
1-The Void Dragon was sharded. Shards are a shit that can be perma-killed. The Emperort fought the shard.
2-The only info we have about the confrontation comes from the dreams of the shard which are specifically stated to be unreliable in the novel.
The other stuff is sourceless shit yoiu spouted
>period of peace
>no more reason to keep military pumped up as it is
>lack of external enemies leads to even stronger factionalism
>sooner or later imperium shatters into spliter factions or suffers another mayor civil war
>imperium might disappear or change into another (or several) forms of interstellar governance
>new aliens or warp being emerge
One way or another, peace will kill the Imperium
That's fine. The Imperium exists to preserve mankind from existential threats from beyond the pale. If those were eliminated, the Imperium's dissolution would be a good thing. Humanity could diverge and spread across the galaxy, forming their own societies and empires. It wouldn't be perfect, but it would be a hell of a lot more hopeful than 40K. I'm sure it would be what the Emperor would want too.
The already fucked administration of the imperium, with no real signs of being fixed, slowly grinds away at itself until whoever the current regent is can barely get a sector to listen to him
>Chaos is defeated
Emps can get out of the chair.
>manages to defeat chaos and all the aliens
Thats the fun thing. You cant.
Warhammer 50k- the spacemarine wars
Everyone lives happily ever after. The end.
what the fuck is that little grotling in the bottom right doing still alive, they really just let him live just to humiliate him?
Look at him in absolute disbelief. It's funny.
Random grotlings in background shots is peak warhammer art.
They exist as a race of Emperor-equivalents. Each human will be the Emperor, and the Emperor himself will fade away into the mists of history, finally able to be what he always wanted: just one among the crowd.
The Imperium would keep going in the same way it has for the past 10k years. it's simply too big and too horrible for any changes too be made
Make all Humans demi-gods similar to the old ones.
Then the Yuuzhan Vong attack
So kroot mixed with tyranids?
Internal collapse because it's a shithole
its also like 100% a war economy
The Imperium falls apart into infighting and ends up creating new xenos, robots, and warp gods which end up usurping it and leading to the downfall and destruction of humanity.
Things turn into even more of a Dune clone than before
Immediately falls to infighting as the high lords to to purge the space marines.
The next step is always 'and then finds more enemies.'
Pretty much the only way they can defeat even some of the other factions (other than the tau, and some of the smaller subfactions) is if someone like Bobby G radically overhauls everything in the Imperium
But then it would be a completely different Imperium
Also chaos is unbeatable
>Also chaos is unbeatable
Literary if Void Dragon woke up tomorrow he would just go into the warp and suck up all that yummu souls stuff with the 4 pozz ''gods'' helplessly screeching as they're devoured by an actual Lovecraftian cosmic entity. Same if the bulk of the Tyranids got here. Chaos isn't even the second biggest threat, fuck, even the Orks are more dangerous when they actually get their shit together.
>Literary if Void Dragon woke up tomorrow he would just go into the warp and suck up all that yummu souls stuff with the 4 pozz ''gods'' helplessly screeching as they're devoured by an actual Lovecraftian cosmic entity
Where does it say that?
>actual Lovecraftian cosmic entity
Depends who is writing, sometimes Chaos comes across as very Lovecraftian, other times they are heavily flanderized memes
>Where does it say that?
Void Dragon is the most powerful of the C'tan, tough to the point that Big E couldn't kill him despite beating him, and literally feeds on souls as opposed to Chaos entities who ''eat'' them by adding the soul energy to their bulk.
>Depends who is writing
No it doesn't. they are made and sustained by emotions of sentient beings, cosmic horror is something like C'tan and Tyranids, completely unknowable alien minds that do not operate on any remotely similar system of values and ideas like humans. Spooky space tentacles don't mean cosmic horror, an alien entity/force that wipes entire civilizations out of existence simply as a part of it's life cycle without any real malice or consideration does.
You didn't say anything about beating the machines...
GW introduces a new Chaos that bears little resemblance to the original, but is BIGGER, has better stats and massively increased prices. GW fanboys slurp that shit up and argue with all the angry collectors of chaos armies in 4/chan on the merits of the new models.
Then some ass pull bigger extragalactic threat starts showing up like the Tyranid.
And then everyone clapped eldar cheeks.
You may as well ask what happens when the imperium undergoes democratic reform and rebrands itself as a secular multicultural pacifistic technocracy.
In order to "defeat chaos" the Imperium would essentially have to solve most of their social pathology in the process, so it would now be a pretty nice place.
>And then what?
Civil war
There are plenty more galaxies filled with xenos
Nids ate 'em all
Nah, it's all orks
I wish them good luck getting from here to there if they weren't by Nids already because even if they have inertialess drives, very powerful wormhole technology or magic, they aren't getting from one galaxy to the next anytime fast.
Unironically the Mechanicus betrays them and the last human in the galaxy dies howling on the operating table
bretty guud reaction image
and then all humans band together
and then ogryn want equal rights
and then BLM 40k starts up
and then we get current year political bullshit but in 40k
I feel 'HOW?' is important to establish.
Presuming some final fight where they managed to catch em all, with no chance of return, that's game- and we probably have Primarchs. Perhaps even the good ones like Dorn and Vulkanagger instead of Taxman and Cypher's Dad. Did the Emperor die? Return? That seems significant
So, there is rebuilding to do. The war ain't over unfortunately, because humans are humans and now there's a few systems and sectors that think they can slip out of the Imperium's rule in a moment of weakness.
A few decades of war will sort that out, and with the warp much more reliable there is nowhere to hide. Astropathy becomes reliable too, so the practical reach of the Imperium strengthens and extends.
The warp fissures close, so the Crone worlds of the Eldar become accessible for exploitation, as does.whatever is in the maelstrom.
The marine chapters never go away. They always retain battle skills- the Tyranids were an intergalactic threat and may not be the only one.
Individual Astartes do reskill as detectives, architects and stuff towards the end of their lives.
The life of the common man won't improve for a long time. Power structures are too ingrained, random factory worker number 24601 is going to be eating recycled krusty brand imitation gruel for decades, if not centuries.
But eventually the peace and prosperity of the galaxy will filter down somewhat. There are new worlds to colonise and exploit, and some of the workers will get the chance to go there and start better lives on space farms. Hive cities see an exodus of the adventurous and desperate to new frontiers, protected from local fauna by the Imperial Guard, which has taken on more of a local pacification role in conjunction with the navy.
All the dark corners of the galaxy get illuminated by a bazillion lasgun rounds and all the archeotech gets recovered by the admech, who have determined that the risk of warp corruption to machines has dropped to zero.
Because machines aren't going to be corrupted by scrapcode, the cogheads can be more adventurous in the pursuit of knowledge. Ritual and dogma remains, but tech improves.
Life gets better in all respects for the Imperium, except for alien slave traders etc.
Rogue traders push the frontiers further into previously enemy held territory. Lost worlds of humanity are brought back into the fold.
The purpose of the Imperium and its sales pitch changes from "saving humankind from all the horrible aliens" to "look at all our hyper tech, lets become gods together, or else" and the psychic evolution of mankind proceeds under the direction of the Emps/Primarchs etc.
>Taxman and Cypher's Dad
>the greatest administrator and large-scale military campaign commander and the greatest warrior and battlefield commander
>not the two best primarchs you could ask for
the imperium would then crumble. Humanity would continue in some other form or forms with some other leadership or doctrine. But the imperium exists to keep humanity alive in the face of chaos and other similar threats, and it is entirely structured around that opposition as its core tenant. Without the actual threat then the structure would erode and unravel in a few generations. Worse case it causes a lot of damage in a desperate bid to perpetuate itself. But the imperium can't exists in any other universe.
>And then what?
Unless the emperor wakes up and makes them do something more useful, it starts to turn on itself.
Most likely, the Inquisitors first. All their rivalry and factionalism... half the time they're only leaving anybody alive to deal with a bigger fish. The resultant fights draw in everyone else when a few Inquisitors go out of control and start commandeering ships and military or declaring exterminatus on "the last heretic" aka their enemy.
Navy and Guard jockeying for favour with the Inquisition and sector governors turn this much bigger than the relatively isolated incidents it would have been.
The mechanicus starts trying to break away before being swiftly drawn in. They think they don't need protection anymore, but the new wars prove them wrong and forge worlds in isolated sectors find themselves declaring for a side.
Eventually, the space marines end up on the opposite side of some of these fights and things go directly to hell.
It's a new galactic civil war, with no clear lines.
Nobody is trying to take down the Imperium this time. They're just trying to survive and the only thing the Imperium knows how to do to a potential threat is kill it.
Without a clear way to tell who's on what side, we descend into factionalism and schools of thought.
The Guillimanians try to deal with specific instances of warlike activity openly.
The Leonine seek to execute leaders quietly before the heresy can spread.
These not-quite-factions fight each other a lot, but not as much as they fight their own adherents.
The Sol system is fully locked down and eventually a new great crusade is called.
After a hundred years of civil war, the new legions march out from Terra to bring the galaxy to compliance.
The Eternal Crusade has begun its march across the galaxy and back; it will never cease, only turning back to bring the same planets to compliance again and again.
It is clear to all that there is only war and there will only ever be war.
That is what.
appreciate my fanfic you chucklefucks
Can chaos only affect humans?
Are there chaos eldars/orks/nekrons/tyranids?
>Are there chaos eldars/orks/nekrons/tyranids?
Not so much Necrons and Tyranids, but as for the other two, there used to be but maybe not so much now might be retconned
>Chaos Eldar
Dark Eldar?
Also since Chaos is so reliant on humanity, wouldn't it be in their interest to not kill off all the humans?
Chaos Eldar still get mentioned in recent sources, but it has been a while since I have seen Chaos Orks
It depends who is writing, GW has never bothered to be consistent on this
To be fair, a lot of opinions on this are written from an "in-universe" perspective so aren't necessarily correct
>Necrons
Don't have souls to corrupt
>Tyranids
Don't have souls to corrupt
>Orks
Have their own gods, also no real reason to pursue Chaos as they have none of the ambitions and desires that lead to it, they could only qualify as Khorne worshippers but they already have their gods so they don't really care
>Eldar
I could see a few attempt to worship the other gods to avoid She Who Thirsts, although I'm not sure how that works, does Slaanesh have a permanent claim on all Eldar souls? If so then there aren't, most wouldn't want to anyway.
Impossible. Orks is never beaten.
This is the future if the Imperium wins.
If GW get to sniff all the warp cocaine and decides the Imperium wipes out all the other factions because,even the eldar because no matter how much they paint him like jesus,Willyboy is still a jackass,that would possibly be the biggest FUCK YOU! to all the players that play Orks,Taus,Votanns,Necrons and Tyranids and of course all the Chaos factions,even way worse than Chaos(including the Skaven eating every faction without an army and the Lizardman) winning and wiping out all the other factions in Warhammer fantasy along with destroying the setting,also yeah,I agree with ,because The Imperium of Mankind in this setting are a pest and skaven levels of assholes,also their factions are very boring and a one trick pony mostly and no matter how much they try to sell me the Guard or the Salamanders as good guys,they are part of the Reason of why we don't have more armies,both human and alien.
It turns upon and rapidly cannibalizes itself. The Imperium is a nightmarish beast that literally only 'survives' because it has enemies to fight. Without those, it would instantly collapse in on itself.
>Please ignore the grot.
>We have purposefully spared his life, on the basis his existence is already worse than death.
>imperium "manages" to defeat chaos, orks, big chunk of tyrranids, maybe even some dark eldar, maybe even some necrons (because archeotech)
>imperium, eldar, tau, dark eldar, necrons so severely deaten down and exhausted by it that noone is fighting anything
>emperor finally dies
>warp is safe to use and is stabilising
>everything starts to fall appart in terms of organisation
>just endless skirmishes and localised battles between faction
>just endless formation of new nations and alliances, new betrayals, new opportunism
>orks are shadow of former self and just indigenous lifeforms on some planets
>same with tyrranids who need IG to keep them in check and if things get out of hand - SMs are called in (get all of them Alien vibes - because now 'nids are more likely to inhabit a sever and munch on your shit instead of melting your face off and eating your planet)
>eldar do their thing
>tau do their thing
>dark eldar are your local asshole vandals trying to stick to the "old" ways though some are getting more civil
>endless scuffles in former Imperium because Empire never lets go
Id take it. Would be much more fun because its a whole new playing field, and offers plenty of stuff to play with. Want big epic crusade? You got it. Want "can love bloom on the battlefield"? You got it. Want some lone eldar/SM/IG shit? You got it. Want Alien or bodyhorror? YOU GOT IT.
>and somewhere, in dark corners of the galaxy and worlds, deranged cultists try to summon their dead gods
>it will take some time
>enter Malal
There.
Drink a coke I guess.
The emperor farts
After they're done with the big foes they'll kill off all the abhumans and sanctioned psykers. Then those space marines freaks and the mechanical douchebags on Mars. After they're done with all that then they can finally back to the original goal of getting rid of all the black people. They'll never run out of enemies.
Instant political collapse and genocidal civil wars.
Humanity becomes much like the pre-fall Eldar and murderfuck a new Slaanesh into existence or the Emperor becomes a god of hedonistic pleasure because thats what everyone would want.
It eats itself.
New Chaos god is born: Hubris
dont ask questions
just consume plastic
Invade the rest of the galaxies, the universe only belongs to humans
they start turning on the mutant humans and then turn on themselves.