The insane focus to make everything competitive ruined multiplayer games.

The insane focus to make everything competitive ruined multiplayer games. Companies pushing esports has incentivized less player interaction, hence games have become less of a memorable social experience.

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ok cool, now go back to twitter, chud

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >David Shitmanski
      Fuck off.

      Broken clock etc. etc.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What about it?

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >David Shitmanski
    Fuck off.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      ok cool, now go back to twitter, chud

      it takes one polack to DESTROY trann/v/ies, kek

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        fuck off to twitter and stay there

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    dunno who he is but he's right.
    casual multiplayer is dead

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >games used to be better
    What a hot take

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      my man you're stating the obvious

      Sitting there with your thumb up your ass isnt going to change the status quo. As a bare minimum you should keep complaining til devs actually listen

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    my man you're stating the obvious

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Fuck Devs, Pay Modders

    When balancing means making everything equal yes

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You will get equality and equity and you will like it, chud.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >obsession with keeping players from interacting with one another
    That's something I noticed too.
    Why do devs do this? I got New World during the christmas sale and it's an MMORPG without a fucking local chat. There's no /say or whatever, you either whisper or zone chat.
    Foxhole apparently removed cross-faction voice chat for whatever reason.
    BF 2042 apaprently has no community servers.
    Some multiplayer games, I can't remember which ones exactly, have chat muted by default.

    Why? When you take Black Desert Online for example (which doesn't let you trade with other players directly, you have to use the auction house where bots will snipe every offer, so you can't even trade indirectly) the motive is obviously greed. You're not supposed to help your buddies, your buddies are supposed to pay up if they want help but in the cases above I don't get it.
    Is it because gamers are le heckin' toxic and can't be trusted to interact with each other without hurting each other feelings and putting the game in a bad light?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Cause then you have to moderate it, and that's expensive.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        they don't have to, they choose to be extremely heavy handed with moderation and censorship which is expensive.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Reminds me of Old Total war games being updated just to remove the global chat in the main menu that no one ever used. Free speech will not be tolerated.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          if people are sharing links to cp in your global chat, you better believe you have to moderate it

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            disable links and touch grass david

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This wouldn't be a problem if the moderation was limited to things that are literally illegal in the country the game is hosted. The problem is a lot of countries, especially in Europe and Asia have very restrictive speech laws. Back in the day most games were hosted in the U.S. and nobody gave a fuck about people saying moron, gay, or w/e else. Anyone that whines was called a baby bitch moron gay and either gutgud or left the game. The worst thing that ever happened to gaming was going mainstream. It attracted all the nanny state loving gays that need to power trip in video games by getting people banned and crying about words.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Theyre scared of trolls and trash talk, which is the whole reason to play multiplayer games.

      I only really play Dota now, a game with extremely lax chat moderation, i couldnt imagine playing overwatch or something like that and not having the ability to call people fags

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >and not having the ability to call people fags
        League auto mutes you for the rest of the game now if you type a nono word or phrase. You can't even see what your allies' chat or pings anymore either

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >join game
          >say nono word
          >enjoy not having to hear teammates

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >>say nono word
            The message doesn't even send
            One of my mates tried to say something to the effect of
            >this game/riot is retarded
            in an aram and got muted for the entire game
            I've gone back to fuckin HotS at this point its so intolerable combined with the godawful gameplay of LoL

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I got banned by EA for typing "yall homos" after the team in Apex was just spreading around and not responding, I can't even access my single player games or anything, the account is dead.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Riot does not want toxicity
            >Riot removes your ability to ping. Said ping is important for team play.
            >Your tryhard teammates can report you for not saying ss or warn for ganks.

            How much IQ did they need to come up with this shit?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's crazy
          Cancer is a no no word

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >which is the whole reason to play multiplayer games.
        I play multiplayer games to play the game, not to hear some 12 year old pretend like he's a big boy for yelling slurs in my ear.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You play single player for that. Multiplayer games are exclusively for when you want human interaction.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      American government does not allow unregulated voice chat any more.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        then they can regulate it, they're already spying on it

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Rude. The American goverment is not spying on its own people.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            yeah you're right, Snowden was just mad he got caught

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You got a single fucking fact to back that up

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Not that guy but wasn't there talk about Epic games getting sued by whatever Burger agency because they had voice-chat on by default in Fortnite?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's not that, it's the fact that the game was aimed at kids. Basically anything that promotes itself for being under 13 needs to be restricted by default. Hence why Nintendo never bothers in their games in case you didn't notice. 13 and up US government gives zero fucks.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      because an article published on some random website about little Timmy hearing bad words when he plays [specific game] published by [specific company] and asking "does [specific company] care about spreading hate through it's platform?" is bad for company's bottom line.
      Same reason why League of Legends (haven't played in 8 yrs) will never implement VOIP, never ever.
      1 video on YouTube with someone getting harassed, that's really all it takes for team leaders in a meeting to say, "what are you doing about this?" The answer can never be nothing.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There's a lot of ontological and platitudinous answers you've gotten and will get for this, but the blunt reality is

      Cause then you have to moderate it, and that's expensive.

      and not because of trolling or toxic posting but because due to the encrypted and disposable nature of in-game chat it's very easy to engage in, plan, and discuss illegal activity and that will get the devs in trouble if they don't put in measures to prevent it.
      The Taliban used TF2 matches and Call of Duty lobbies to discuss plans because as it turns out that shit's hard to track. if you play CS:GO, you've probably played with a lot of drug dealers because they use CS:GO both for recreation and also as a secure means of discussing the sale of illicit substances with potential buyers.
      Devs just publicly say "Well gamers are MEAN RACIST BULLIES >:(" and might even believe it at the lower levels of management, but the upper echelons permit that answer because then it means they're not inadvertently telling people you can discus and plan crimes in video game chats.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        How does Valve get away with it?
        Both CS:GO and Dota are very lax as

        Theyre scared of trolls and trash talk, which is the whole reason to play multiplayer games.

        I only really play Dota now, a game with extremely lax chat moderation, i couldnt imagine playing overwatch or something like that and not having the ability to call people fags

        said and communication in these games is still as it was 15 years ago. And they're based in America too, not some 3rd world country that doesn't give a fuck.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Because not enough people do it to warrant taking action yet, it's just a known presence. But if you notice, newer and newer games lose those communication features in abundance as guaranteed security against that. If you tried taking it from Valve games now, two things would happen:
          1. Retards who don't understand why they did it would have meltdowns and that costs them money
          2. Autists would just grandfather in chat tech from prior versions of the games and implement them as mods and now chat is even harder to track

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Valve is private and gaben is libertarian
          Publicly traded companies have to listen to shitheal investors on boards that don't actually know or care about anything other than money but not even that particularly well. They force these companies to tow the line of this social justice shit purely because its very public and loud so its in their minds more rather than any actual market research or basic statistics. This is made easier for them because government and pseudo government corporations love to print money to influence social conditioning as they're evil.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Because Valve are insanely lazy lobertarians.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What? I've never heard of this. Is there a single article or piece of evidence to back this up at all?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Here's the article for the Taliban shit, tho it's tabloid-sourced
          https://theworld.org/stories/2012-03-20/call-duty-used-terrorists-communication-tabloid-claims

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The Taliban used TF2 matches and Call of Duty lobbies to discuss plans because as it turns out that shit's hard to track
        So? It's literally impossible to prevent every single potential form of communication.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        there is no way in hell the chat service used by criminals is going to be considered in any way responsible for the crime
        >durrrrr da criminals be talking on da phone, better charge verizon

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          the law differs widely around the world. this is representative of many european countries:

          >In principle, any entity providing agame for online play is an entity providing its services electronically. The provider of such services bears limited responsibility for content published by usersNote, the link will open in a new window, under the “notice and takedown” approach.

          >In other words, service providers can be held liable for actions of users of their service only if they have been made aware of the publication of unlawful content and have not made efforts to remove such content immediately. In principle, they donot have aduty to independently and actively monitor users for the unlawfulness of the content published by them.

          >However, the situation is different when it comes to user behaviour that may constitute acts prohibited by criminal law. In such cases, one should consider whether the game provider is obliged to notify the appropriate law enforcement authorities of suspected criminal offences.

          so it seems some moderation is necessary

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Once again retarded eurotrash laws ruin everything.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There is literally zero legal responsibility to control what speech happens on your platform (in America). I don't see phone companies getting in trouble for every murder that was planned in text messages

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          america isn't the only country in the world

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Why do devs do this?
      Because users can't report one another for misbehavior if they can't interact.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The powers that be want everybody atomized and fragmented. They don't want their prisoners and slaves to talk and bond over games and fun. This trend is everywhere though, not just video games.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This is it, communities all over the old source games form all the time, this doesn't happen nearly in any relative capacity with newer games.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Epic just got a $200M fine for having voice chat on by default, we’re never going to see lobbies again

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's why single player games are the same thing as multiplayer games these days. Players operate like NPCs. You ever play an MMORPG? You may as well be playing with bots it's the same thing. The garden gnomes won

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >foxhole removed cross faction voice chat

      you mean to keep shitters from revealing the location of the team they are betraying?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >competitive metafags ruin another thing
        Many such cases

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >NOOOOOO YOU CAN'T HAVE THIS SEMI REALISTIC SCENARIO IN MY AUTISM SIMULATOR
        holy fuck can you metamorons die off already?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          if they want semi realistic scenario's, maybe have a game design choice that reflect it.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You are right

      Consolefags ruined videogames, their shitty matchmaking systems because they couldn't support lobbies, the best multiplayer games in fact are the ones that still support dedicated servers

      My best multiplayer sessions were on games like Darkest Hour and Jedi Academy/Jedi Outcast on tight community servers

      Consoles can't support chats so they have pre-defined voice lines for players, it's all the consoles fault, consolefags are cancer because they are all retarded and low IQ, in fact most consolefags are scared of buying a PC because they think they will break it LMAO

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >the best multiplayer games in fact are the ones that still support dedicated servers
        Name them

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Except console games had server browsers and dedicated servers. Warhawk let you use a separate PS3 to run a server. In fact since Sony shut it down I think people still play it that way.

        Has nothing to do with console.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because they think that random people chatting to each other will lead to them being turned into lampshades. Own nothing/be happy but also be completely atomized with no sense of shared identity except through Holocaust guilt.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Some guy might say moron
      Imagine, all their servers would catch on fire

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      All of the above

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Modern Game Companies have an obsession with ensuring that every body experiences the game in the same way. For multiplayer games, this is because the game is a service. The big money makers are from sharks buying cases, buying weapon skins, hats, characters, heroes, battlepasses, etc. Customization gets in the way of that. No-hat mods interfere with the offical store. Invisible viewmodels look ugly. Community maps devalue official releases.
      The other way this manfiests is with matchmaking and the lack of community ad/hoc servers. Matchmaking ensures that everybody gets a mathematically fair and balanced game, which results in the predictable and trite gameplay that infests modern multiplayer games. Everyone is eventually a winner, and thus people have fun. Matchmaking also ensures that everything is dependent on the central servers. If the game happens to shutter it's doors, than that's it, you can't really play that game with other people anymore and any oustanding bugs/design flaws remain. This encourages the playerbase to move on to the next game and "buy in" while it's still hot so they can enjoy the service.
      This has the side effect of killing community servers, which is great because it prevents people from populating old games effectively and easily. Community servers have a tendency of cultivating server mods and, ofc, communities of their own, which sometimes can outshine the original game. See: Project M. Again, they want everyone to have the same experience so they can sell skins and the service.
      The intentional killing off of chat in various forms comes to the same effect. It effectively sanitizes the game for the youtuber and streamer audience, important methods of advertisement and ensures that any kids playing the game won't run into anything that makes a parent mad. Besides, everybody uses discord now. What's the point of text chat or all-chat? I could go on, but it all boils down to GaaS.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        good post. Saved.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I hope more people start noticing this, there is a very obvious coordinated effort to destroy communication channels that can’t be overmoderated because people will discuss “conspiracy theories”

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >the year is 2020
        >dont leave your house
        >dont talk to family or friends
        >dont talk to people online playing vidya
        >stay off Ganker, it is full of racist nazi chuds
        >only allowed to communicate on heavily moderated sites like facebook
        ~~*What*~~ is happening here?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >>stay off Ganker
          good advice
          it's not 2020 btw

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            We are on 2020 prestige 3

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          oh also, no one talks on facebook anymore. no one fucking talks anywhere. everyone's online, yet no one talks. what a mess.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Move out to the country anon. We talk with people here. Being in a city and living alone isn't good for you. It just creates anxiety and depression. Whens the last time you went to church?
            Also governments typically get draconian about plagues it's nothing new.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              mate, i live in a little village

              >Whens the last time you went to church?
              i'm not a fucking larper

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >just move bro
              actual retard advice lmao, hopefully nobody takes you serious, both on this website and irl

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >because
        source?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          https://www.adl.org/resources/report/hate-no-game-hate-and-harassment-online-games-2022

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            demonstrate a causative relationship

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Black Desert Online
      Man, I remember when I got one of my pals to join BDO, tried to trade him some starter gear, game wouldnt let me, a fucking joke...

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Why do devs do this?
      because trannies and holes and morons will get the ADL to sue you into non-existence

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >as did the obsession with keeping players from interacting with one another
      That's some white supremist talk right there. What if some hitlerino's spams some cooking recipes in chat hmmmm? how are you going to prevent men from talking to each other and organizing???

      Games have been targeted by the """""alphabet agencies""""" as early as 2007 for being ways of spreading """""misinformation""""" and """""radicalizing messages""""", not to mention """"""""""hateful language"""""""""". It's a GOOD THING they clamped down on games because they were a very bad influence on society.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        could you post something substantive instead of having a mental breakdown, please?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        meds. now.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I have travelled the world and back to find who asked.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      lot of wrong replies to this

      they don't want you to form connections or community that could ever be outside of the game because it becomes a risk that might play competitor's games with them instead

      every interaction should be essentially anonymous and a single time encounter, you should not think about other players playing the game, you should only think about the game

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        are you going to link to any industry wisdom on this topic?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I>s it because gamers are le heckin' toxic and can't be trusted to interact with each other without hurting each other feelings and putting the game in a bad light?
      Bingo. And you can thank Riot Games for starting that trend, by inadvertently popularizing the term 'toxic' to have the widespread, mainstream application it has today. Specifically Riot Lyte, aka Jeffrey Lin.
      They love new-speak, and use it constantly when addressing their playerbase to this day.
      It all stems from this one gay using League as a trojan horse for his pet psych experiments, like the Tribunal, and doing mandatory psych evals. when players log into the game, seasons ago.
      He's the reason players aren't trusted to freely interact with eachother across multiplayer games, and he's proud of it.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The thought makes me seethe alone
      >play mmo for 12 years
      >there is a community impromptu global chat in one of the topic related tabs thats been going on for many years,
      >sometimes it gets pretty rowdy, almost old /b/ tier, chat mods never cared
      >suddenly out of the blue chat mods suddenly now care
      >show up and seethe at people being rowdy, or even talking about in game topics not technically related to the chat tab
      >Nobody takes them seriously
      >chat mods proceed to mass ban and purge everyone who so much as swears, entire years old community and social hub wiped out in a weekend

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        what mmo?

        Ah, the classic meatspin, anime titties and big moron dick sprays in TF2. Good memories. It makes me sad that Valve disabled sprays in their servers.

        at least it's still a lively tradition on private servers for sauce games which has always been most of them anyway

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Are there even good multiplayer games still around aside from, tf2 and counter strike? Preferably games that run on toasters? Because the only thing that comes to mind is fightcade

      this really fucked me up when i played DBFZ, it doesn't have a fucking chat, just a bunch of emojis and pre selected sentences and it was fucking awful, i had to go into fucking discord to get gud and the community there was fucking garbage as well, at least in gg rev2 there is a chat function so you can ask shit right after the matches.

      >The insane focus to make everything competitive ruined multiplayer games. Companies pushing esports has incentivized less player interaction, hence games have become less of a memorable social experience.
      I think that's the problem with online FPS games. FPS is the most casual genre out of all competitive games. No one wants to play competitively. They want to play on custom browsers with mods so they can circlejerk with the mods and make friends with the regulars who visit that server. All they want is a friendship simulator with online FPS games not a competitive experience. All other genres is doing fine when it comes to competitive gaming.

      Personally? I'm not looking for friends and circlejerk with others in a custom server. I want to play competitively with a matchmake button without any of the fucking retarded bullshit. I don't want any server drama and some power hungry chud mod from that server, fuck that.

      both can coexist but there is a real push for people to use matchmaking, like tf2 almost every single good community server went away because of that.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        tits too small

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So consoles?

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nah back then autists were still strictly in the minority so you could have entertainment by simply interacting with others. Nowadays talking to most other people, especially in online games, is like talking to fucking brick walls.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    dusk isnt even that good

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He's completely right, modern multiplayer games suck fucking cock and anyone attempting to pretend otherwise is an actual retard

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The last one I played was Apex legends back in 2019-2020, the game was really fun, great movement and gunplay, the only BR I was able to stomach, and I actually had 2 friends who I played with every day at night.
      Everything fell off when they wanted me to play 5+ hours a day and play "meta" characters to grind for "Apex Predator" rank because Master wasn't enough, like, who the fuck grinds that many hours a day just to be one of the "top 500" grinders and a shitty badge.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >source games
    That's already in the decline era

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >The insane focus to make everything competitive ruined multiplayer games. Companies pushing esports has incentivized less player interaction, hence games have become less of a memorable social experience.
    I think that's the problem with online FPS games. FPS is the most casual genre out of all competitive games. No one wants to play competitively. They want to play on custom browsers with mods so they can circlejerk with the mods and make friends with the regulars who visit that server. All they want is a friendship simulator with online FPS games not a competitive experience. All other genres is doing fine when it comes to competitive gaming.

    Personally? I'm not looking for friends and circlejerk with others in a custom server. I want to play competitively with a matchmake button without any of the fucking retarded bullshit. I don't want any server drama and some power hungry chud mod from that server, fuck that.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If that were true then people would actually play the games that have custom game browsers where nobody gives a shit and everyone is just dicking around. But people don't so it's clearly a small amount of people that actually think this way.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >If that were true then people would actually play the games that have custom game browsers where nobody gives a shit and everyone is just dicking around. But people don't so it's clearly a small amount of people that actually think this way.
        Not only that but FPS is just a trendy genre to begin with. People only flock to games that are heavily populated and/or played by their favorite Twitch streamer. I'm glad custom game browsers died off I hated the culture. I hated how people recognized you. I hated being "LE REGULAR" I hated the fucking gay server drama that happened. I don't wanna download a bunch of random ass mods for a server. I just wanna hit matchmake and play without any of the fucking hassle

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Fag

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Go play your little friendship simulator with custom game browsers gay.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        it's impressive how people change perspective when a ranking system is involved, it goes from
        >lol it's just a game/a waste of time/inconsequential
        to
        >this is serious shit and if you throw you should be banned forever

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          And it turns out people want the latter more than the former.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            they have been trained during their life that time is money, causing them to look for the most efficient way to get through anything in their life, including games that were meant to be a leisure activity. So to them, the most efficient way to "enjoy" those games is to grind the ranked ladder and make every game very serious

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Or that's just what people find fun. It's normal to want to get better at leisure activities, specifically because they're the things you choose to spend time on.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                To such a degree that you get angry at other people's mistakes in a fucking video game? What a broken mindset to have

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I agree with you. That sort of mentality is what "toxic" really is in my view, and modern vidya seems to try enforcing it wherever possible. Really makes me wonder if the usual 4chanfag tripe about "they want to divide us and sow negativity" holds real merit after all

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >this is serious shit and if you throw you should be banned forever
          These people killed overwatch for me.
          >I like playing Torbjorn in casual games
          >actually pretty good at game
          >want to see how far I get on ranked with my boy toblerone
          >teammates constantly give me grief instead of actually playing the game
          >finish placements, Diamond
          People really need to fuck off. Statistically it doesn't matter at all how good/bad your teammates are.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Some of the people you played with were beyond diamond and you held them back
            That's selfish.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Listen gay, im not gonna switch to characters you want just because you think you're a pro gamer who got unlucky. If you need your teammates to adhere to YOUR gameplan or YOU are gonna cry then it is YOU who is being selfish.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Anon doesn't understand Irony
                Fucking yikes

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Its all about you isnt it? You think you're suffering because you have to tolerate someone elses presence. Well it works both ways. I also have to tolerate your presence. So we're even. When someone starts deciding how they want me to play thats when you are out of line. A toblerone player never asks you to switch to what he wants but you think you have the authority to make people play the way YOU want.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You're part of the problem retard.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        But I'm not though. Maybe grow up fag.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Speak for yourself. Only annoying teenagers want to spend every second of a game playing ranked and sweating.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Speak for yourself. Only annoying teenagers want to spend every second of a game playing ranked and sweating.
            Do you ever forget the entire premise of online FPS games is to play competitively? "sweaty" is a fucking zoomie term. Just go to your family friend TF2 server and make friends and hold hands like the blatant gay that you are

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Do you ever forget the entire premise of online FPS games is to play competitively?
              ESL zoomie, fucking around in custom maps has been a staple of FPS since Halo. The obsession with tryharding every game all the time is a zoomie attitude popularized by streaming and esports. have a nice day.
              >family friend
              Good morning gay!

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >competition never existed
                >scoreboards don't count!

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, that's right

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Scoreboards =/= sbmm ranked gayry.

                How old are you? Be honest.

                >trying to win is bad
                what's the point of playing a game mode where the point is to win if you don't want to win?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Trying to win isn't the same thing as raging in chat when people aren't playing meta.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You yourself said that winning is bad.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Literally never said that once esl. Learn english on a kindergarten level before you shitpost.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Look I know success terrifies you but actually playing the game isn't "tryharding" maybe you should try harder to improve yourself.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                NTA but you're a fucking moron. Lmao.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If only your success carried over to your english classes, then maybe you wouldn't be a burgerflipper with a ranked score as your sole "accomplishment" (kek)

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                See this is just more insecurity. Instead of improving yourself, you want to bring down those better than you.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                My english is superior to yours and so is my salary. Hope you leave your eastern european shithole someday.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Doubt any native speaker doesn't know you capitalize "English".

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I speak only english and i don't capitalize it because i don't respect it

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You also clearly don't respect yourself.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                In any case, your grammar and punctuation is in such a sorry state, bragging about your ability to speak English is embarrassing.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                thinking one anon is another anon is also embarrassing dude, learn to read styles

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I have no need to. You joined a particular side in the post chain, and therefore get the second hand embarrassment. It's a net loss for you, not for me.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                god you're getting your rocks off to an internet argument over using a language better in a video game thread about why modern multiplayer FPS sucks

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Real english speakers don't care actually. Only slavic retards and brownoids who use google translate (like you) capitalize it.

                CSGO goes up to GE and even then you're playing Faceit or ESEA.
                Sorry I don't play whatever shit you do but I already know I'd beat you.
                [...]
                Cool, I to know how to toggle my posts in Gankerx.
                [...]
                Man lying isn't gonna get you anyway. Seems like a lot of insecure projection going on from you.

                >isn't gonna get you anyway.
                >not "anywhere." An entirely different english word.
                The jokes write themselves. I genuinely hope you get to leave whatever slav/favela shithole you live in and get the proper education I received.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                his big ticket out of the favelas is dominating NA faceit since that whole ladder is a joke now, and since Brazil is back on the menu. he'll be able to swing his big elo cock around once he escapes.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                America plays ESEA poser. Europe is faceit.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                NA and EU ladder el retardo

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Real english speakers don't care actually.
                "Real english speakers" would be anyone who speaks the language. Poorly or not. Your inability to grasp the meaning of what you're saying sure suggests English is not your primary language.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Somebody sure is tryharding at English. Too bad you suck at it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not to move the goalposts here, but I don't see anything wrong with that specific post's English. Care to explain? Or are you just nitpicking because you have no argument?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You already moved the goalpost from "Custom servers are awful. All I want to do is play ranked." to "Oh, so you should never win?" as if both can't coexist. See

                >Speak for yourself. Only annoying teenagers want to spend every second of a game playing ranked and sweating.
                Do you ever forget the entire premise of online FPS games is to play competitively? "sweaty" is a fucking zoomie term. Just go to your family friend TF2 server and make friends and hold hands like the blatant gay that you are

                . The russian zoomie can't even spell "friendly."

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Certified schizo moment.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Retard

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You already moved the goalpost from "Custom servers are awful. All I want to do is play ranked." to "Oh, so you should never win?" as if both can't coexist. See [...]. The russian zoomie can't even spell "friendly."

                It's the same anon.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Check the time between the messages posted retard. Delusional gay.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Trying to win isn't the same thing as raging in chat when people aren't playing meta.
                No shut up. That's exactly what you're talking about. Tryharding, "sweating" I've seen my friends get outplayed and all they can say is, "oh, look at this tryhard" It's just a copout for people who can't accept the fact that they got outplayed

                There is a difference between trying to win and being an insane tryhard gay who plays for 100 hours a week. Those people have always existed but it was usually only one or two per server so it wasn't a big deal, but now they're like half of the community.

                >There is a difference between trying to win and being an insane tryhard gay who plays for 100 hours a week.
                HOW DO YOU KNOW THEY PLAY THAT MANY HOURS??? lmao. You don't know their personal life and it's none of your business. All you know is you got outplayed and take the fucking L. There's no such thing as sweating or tryharding.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >cannot argue with the actual argument, can only nitpick the specific details and get mad about them
                lol

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >No shut up. That's exactly what you're talking about. Tryharding, "sweating" I've seen my friends get outplayed and all they can say is, "oh, look at this tryhard" It's just a copout for people who can't accept the fact that they got outplayed
                Tryharding in dotalikes is when you pick a boring meta pick in a trash bracket or do the same with a stack of people. It's just boring because you're afraid of risking anything.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There is a difference between trying to win and being an insane tryhard gay who plays for 100 hours a week. Those people have always existed but it was usually only one or two per server so it wasn't a big deal, but now they're like half of the community.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                there's a difference between the rabid zealotry of trying to be the best at all times and playing a game to win and accepting defeat because the game was still fun to play. gays only care about the outcome and their ranked points instead of actually enjoying their time playing the video game

                You can just admit you're losers and are jealous of chads who are winners.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                t. Incel in plat

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Dunno what plat means, just helps prove my point. You're jealous of people superior to you.

                NTA but you're a fucking moron. Lmao.

                Pretending to be other people won't hide your insecurities.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Claims to care about ranked and be a successful sbmm chad
                >Doesn't even recognize one of the most common ranked tiers in gaming
                Oof. Way to out yourself.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                CSGO goes up to GE and even then you're playing Faceit or ESEA.
                Sorry I don't play whatever shit you do but I already know I'd beat you.

                >Pretending to be other people won't hide your insecurities.

                Cool, I to know how to toggle my posts in Gankerx.

                My english is superior to yours and so is my salary. Hope you leave your eastern european shithole someday.

                Man lying isn't gonna get you anyway. Seems like a lot of insecure projection going on from you.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Pretending to be other people won't hide your insecurities.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Trying your best is now "tryharding" and "sweating"
                >You have to dial it down for people who can't play at your level or else you're those things

                FPS is truly the most casual competitive genre out of all competitive genres

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The big realisation for me was whenever I hear them say "I play for fun" they mean "it's only fun if I win".

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Sometimes trying your best isn't appropriate for the setting. If you play passive because defense is an advantage like you're playing in a tournament, you're just a coward. It doesn't lead to improvement, you're just too mentally stilted to act aptly to the situation and people see that.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Get outplayed and lose in other online game
                >Say "GGWP man, you outplayed me good."
                >"No problem man, you as well! You worked me up a sweat!
                >Online FPS games
                >Get outplayed
                >"Fucking sweaty tryhard. Get a life."

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You should experience fighting games. People will seethe endlessly at you for using the same move over and over instead of adapting.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                But FGC players don't ever say tryhard or sweaty. They cry like children because they knew that L was genuine and igt was all their fault.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They absolutely do.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Some do but not as much as FPS players. I hear it every day.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                there's a difference between the rabid zealotry of trying to be the best at all times and playing a game to win and accepting defeat because the game was still fun to play. gays only care about the outcome and their ranked points instead of actually enjoying their time playing the video game

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >playing to win is the same as being a turbosperg who refuses to do anything outside of the meta because their idiotic ranking might drop by a few points

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Everyone thinks the top ranked Genji is hot shit. But if someone wants to be the top ranked Torbjorn everyone loses their mind. The guy who tried actually got banned for no other reason than the turbospergs didn't like his character choice.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >you can play to win but you shouldn't actually do the things that give you the best odds of winning
                If the game sucks when everyone plays to win then the game is just a bad competitive game

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Youre an idiot

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >No counter argument
                >Just an insult

                Lmao seething bitch

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're not worth it, you will just bring me down to your level of idiocy and beat me with experience.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                To have fun, gay.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Scoreboards =/= sbmm ranked gayry.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                How old are you? Be honest.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >ESL zoomie, fucking around in custom maps has been a staple of FPS since Halo.
                See how the majority of FPS players are casuals? They want their custom maps. They want the circlejerking friends of their nostalgic years. In my time duel 1v1's in Quake 3 were my time. Even though I was horrible at it I still have fun. Custom maps were for casuals to fuck around it.
                >The obsession with tryharding every game all the time is a zoomie attitude popularized by streaming and esports.
                Even before esports the competitive scene of arena shooters is to play to be better than everyone. That is part of the male masculinity is the outplay and outmatch your opponents. It's in our DNA.
                >Also Halo
                lmfao gay.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >ESL zoomie
                moron RETARD #1

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I just miss that middle ground where everyone was playing the game and trying to win but it didn't actually matter who won because there wasn't an ELO system tracking everyone and the teams would get shuffled around regularly

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah exactly this. You never had an issue of players "not wanting to win" in older fps games but you also never dealt with obnoxious retards telling you what to play.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Fucking this. Looking at my old Halo 2 and Halo 3 stats, at least 60% of my time was spent in custom games, don't even get me started on CS or TF2 playtimes
                ZOOMERS WILL LITERALLY NEVER KNOW THIS FEELING

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >fucking around in custom maps has been a staple of FPS since Halo.
                WOW SINCE GAYLO THAT'S A LONG TIME AGO

                you stupid cunt

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Halo 1 came out 22 years ago
                Halo 3 came out before you were probably born

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Fucking this. Looking at my old Halo 2 and Halo 3 stats, at least 60% of my time was spent in custom games, don't even get me started on CS or TF2 playtimes
                ZOOMERS WILL LITERALLY NEVER KNOW THIS FEELING

                Halo has always been casual garbage
                Pic related this meme has been around for a long ass time

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Amd what's your favorite shooter, anon?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Fortnite? But it's actually a challenging game. Closest thing to an arena shooter more than any game. Every popular FPS game are the only populated ones. I can't play arena shooters anymore it's all dead

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This is some quality bait, nice one dude. You even baited him in before even laying out the actual bait.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm serious. More players mean more challenging players. And it's the closest thing to an arena shooter more than anything. Don't tell me about Valorant and CS:GO those are more tactical than an arena shooter.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't think that's how it really works.
                You're encountering more players, yeah, but I do think Fortnite's target audience brings down the overall player skill to abysmal levels, and the game really doesn't have a ton of depth to it. I am glad the building stuff is gone though, that was horrible.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You're encountering more players, yeah, but I do think Fortnite's target audience brings down the overall player skill to abysmal levels,
                SBMM baby.
                > and the game really doesn't have a ton of depth to it.
                There's plenty of depth and strategy. You're just saying that because le fortnite
                >I am glad the building stuff is gone though, that was horrible.
                Not gone.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Fortnite? But it's actually a challenging game.

                >bullet whizzes by my head
                >I build a 20 story skyscraper in 3 seconds in response and I'm basically unkillable

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >What is zero build
                Also, even if you played build mode there's plenty of options to take down structures like fire fly grenades and other items they add daily. Building is a mechanic. And if you can't adapt just go play boomer mode

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Literally the first ever esports tournament was in 1995 with deathmatch '95.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Do you ever forget the entire premise of online FPS games is to play competitively?
              No because that's not their point at all so there's nothing to forget
              The point is to have some fucking fun playing it. And while some people have fun playing at the most optimal level they can for the glory of it many more do not.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Then why is there a score? Does it measure who is having the most fun?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Then why is there a score?
                Why wouldn't there be? Its useful to the fun of some while useless to the fun of others. Removing it does nothing for the latter and alienates the former assuming a proper server browser.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >some people have fun playing at the most optimal level they can for the glory of it
                High IQ Chads
                >many more do not
                coping shitters
                Everyone enjoys winning.

                t. coping shitter gravitating around Gold

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >High IQ Chads
                You mean pathetic failures who have to cope with being successful in video games as their sole trait because they have nowhere else.
                >coping shitters
                You mean the majority of people who actually buy the game.
                Shitpost as much as you gays want to, pandering to tourneygays has been a failed strategy for the past decade of vidya in both FPS and RTS and will continue to be so.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You mean pathetic failures who have to cope with being successful in video games as their sole trait because they have nowhere else.
                I mean, this is straight up sad. You do know that being good at video games basically catapults any non-porn social media you have, right? The same kinds of social media that are willing to pay you big bucks for being popular.
                Also
                >because they have nowhere else
                Nothing. Nothing else. Are you deliberately talking like a fag and making your shit all retarded? Props to you then.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >catapults
                turbo turd world autism

                It's not bait they really walk around like if its a badge of honor

                It's literally and has always been a meme, nobody says that shit unironically, just like joker posting

                Modern Game Companies have an obsession with ensuring that every body experiences the game in the same way. For multiplayer games, this is because the game is a service. The big money makers are from sharks buying cases, buying weapon skins, hats, characters, heroes, battlepasses, etc. Customization gets in the way of that. No-hat mods interfere with the offical store. Invisible viewmodels look ugly. Community maps devalue official releases.
                The other way this manfiests is with matchmaking and the lack of community ad/hoc servers. Matchmaking ensures that everybody gets a mathematically fair and balanced game, which results in the predictable and trite gameplay that infests modern multiplayer games. Everyone is eventually a winner, and thus people have fun. Matchmaking also ensures that everything is dependent on the central servers. If the game happens to shutter it's doors, than that's it, you can't really play that game with other people anymore and any oustanding bugs/design flaws remain. This encourages the playerbase to move on to the next game and "buy in" while it's still hot so they can enjoy the service.
                This has the side effect of killing community servers, which is great because it prevents people from populating old games effectively and easily. Community servers have a tendency of cultivating server mods and, ofc, communities of their own, which sometimes can outshine the original game. See: Project M. Again, they want everyone to have the same experience so they can sell skins and the service.
                The intentional killing off of chat in various forms comes to the same effect. It effectively sanitizes the game for the youtuber and streamer audience, important methods of advertisement and ensures that any kids playing the game won't run into anything that makes a parent mad. Besides, everybody uses discord now. What's the point of text chat or all-chat? I could go on, but it all boils down to GaaS.

                Literally the only good post in this thread. "Gamers" really are a dense and often stupid bunch if this thread is any indication.

                yeah
                I spent 15 years in the same CSS server with AWP disabled, allchat on, playing with the same ~300 regulars rotating in and out, chatting with the mods. We had people playing with their children, we had a marriage ceremony between two players (after they married irl). We had a whole little life inside counter strike.

                Nowadays there's no game that even has that potential. I'm looking at various games, but there isn't. And it's not an age thing, I'm still younger now than a lot of guys I played with 15 years ago.

                It's sad and I don't know exactly why people moved away from it. It seems like there's no demand for it anymore.

                It is sad and server leaderboards were always fun to see an actual "pro" come in and get their ass stomped because the meta doesn't apply and raw skill shines out on some of those servers. It was also fun to play against those really good players because then you'd learn as opposed to shitty matchmaking which incentivizes "everyone gets a trophy" mentality with streakbusting and other mechanisms.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The point is to have some fucking fun playing it.
                Yeah the whole point of playing online FPS and other online games is winning is part of the fun. Outplaying your opponent is. "Having fun" is too vague and you're not being honest with yourself. I just think it's fun when it's convenient that you win. But if you lose, it's just "LE TRYHARDS"

                Honestly, I don't even think competitive FPS games were even your think to begin with. Just play co-op games like L4D2 like some other anon said. It's for fun and there's no growth or improvements to make you better like other Online FPS games

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Yeah the whole point of playing online FPS and other online games is winning is part of the fun.

                Winning is fun

                >Winning is fun
                Sure, for some people.
                Others enjoy pic related
                or death run
                or TTT
                or flying scoutsman
                or a whole bunch of other shit that have zero competitive basis and are there because people enjoy fucking around as much if not more than playing the actual game.
                >HURRDURR PLAY OTHER GAME
                I do and they don't all fulfill the same niches you cocksmoker.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Others enjoy pic related
                >or death run
                >or TTT
                >or flying scoutsman
                All game modes which have a winner?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                if you think the fun in death run is winning then you are sad

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >or a whole bunch of other shit that have zero competitive basis and are there because people enjoy fucking around as much if not more than playing the actual game.
                What's with the knee jerk reaction? There's nothing wrong with being a casual player. I'm pretty casual when it comes to competitive gaming and it's still fun even if I get curbstomped. But just because you perceive online FPS this way doesn't mean your perception of it is everyones reality. At it's core, FPS games has always been competitive in nature. Your experience is just the casual part of it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Winning is fun

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You morons killed online multiplayer

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You morons killed online multiplayer
                But it didn't. online competitive scene was always a thing even during LAN parties. Fatal1ty was one of the first esports star of the 90's. All the competitive players in Quake 3 played Duel 1v1's. All the casual shitters played TDM/DM.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're a disingenuous moron for making that comparison and you know it

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I still don't get the whole obsession about sweating, why are shitters so unhealthy that sitting at a desk is such a physical exertion?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It's mainly used in LoL where you play the game as a job, you don't enjoy it one bit but you want to get a higher rank so you start using shit like OP braindead characters just to spend less time in a miserable match you don't enjoy
              Then imagine spending 40 minutes of your life in a single match just to lose because there's an afk in your team
              It mindbreaks the tryhards

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I find the term tryhard fucking hilarious. People keep calling me it in games and usually i'm barely even paying attention. Especially Rocket League.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Depends on the person. I generally want to improve doing most things in life, but am not very social, so the matchmaking has been a good way to nudge me in the right direction.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Consider switching to fighting games.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >FPS is the most casual genre out of all competitive games. No one wants to play competitively.
      that's the other way around due matchmaking, esport focus and rank play every single part of new fps games are focused on competitive play and not casual play, only some indie games are more casual while mainstream shit is always about rank and winning

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >that's the other way around due matchmaking,
        Wat
        >while mainstream shit is always about rank and winning
        Correct. What's your point?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          that argument was that nobody wants to play competitively while in reality everyone is forcing everyone to play at competitive rank level even in casual games, they will report you in R6 Siege or Overwatch if you don't play super serious even in casual MM. Esport and MM ruined mp fps games forever, at least i still have Enlisted and HLL so i can play however i want it's a shame that Battlefield is now dead.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >that argument was that nobody wants to play competitively while in reality everyone is forcing everyone to play at competitive rank
            Not true. Every mainstream online FPS game has a normals mode. Also most have custom game browsers. Even OW2 has it. Fortnite has creative which is basically the same thing.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              There's a few problems with that: First of all is that they're neutered as far as modding capability, the second is that they're shuttered to some obscure part of the game rather than being treated as a main draw. A lot of the appeal for me in playing community servers in Team Fortress was playing custom maps which few games actually do.

              Also, custom game servers only last until the person hosting them stops playing. This makes it very difficult if not impossible to cater to a specific kind of experience in the long term.

              As an example, Titanfall 2 had a custom games function. In it, if you had some friends, you could play custom gamemodes you made up. Titanfall's modded community server lets you build servers around custom gamemodes. There's a big difference

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This isn't because of "esports" or whatever nebulous thing, this is because people are forced into the same matchmaking playlist.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Got it in 2 and it applies to more than just FPS
    RTS peaked when i could join a 6v6 comp stomp with instant harvest and a doubled pop cap then hold off against endless waves of AI shit with massed artillery fire as easily as I could join a balanced 1v1.
    Thank god some devs are realizing they have to do more than just slap a ranked ladder on a game to keep players around.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >keeping players from interacting with one another
    that started with league of legends and the birth of the word "toxic" as we know it
    if someone can't express anger anymore and only passive aggressiveness is allowed the result is complete apathy

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    we've reached the point where people think cs source was good. its fucking over.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Fire in the hole

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Solution is to make a new game that has voice chat, user sprays, mods, etc. Then add a Streamer option that removes all this fun stuff and every one else sees your tag and can just bully you to oblivion so you quit playing.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I miss server browsers so much.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The lack of forge with a dedicated server browser on launch is the reason Halo Infinite instantly died and the devs not realising that is the worst part.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Absolutely. With no way to search for custom games, half of the reason people like Halo is effectively gone

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/nVVEk6J.jpg

      The insane focus to make everything competitive ruined multiplayer games. Companies pushing esports has incentivized less player interaction, hence games have become less of a memorable social experience.

      not just modern matchmaking, but ranked existing has fucked competitive multiplayer games completely
      no one cares about playing the game, it's getting higher ranks and fuck everyone else, grind grind grind out your LP, treat the game like a fucking job

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I was a mix of the 4 depending how drunk I was fun times playing CSS.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Publishers pandering to sweaty tryhards killed everything.
    Mmos? Ded, pandered to poopsockers
    FPS? Ded, all dumbed-down console shit increasingly padded with MMO-like grinding and daily chores
    RTS? ded, mutated in to MOBAs

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >obsession with keeping players from interacting with one another
      That's something I noticed too.
      Why do devs do this? I got New World during the christmas sale and it's an MMORPG without a fucking local chat. There's no /say or whatever, you either whisper or zone chat.
      Foxhole apparently removed cross-faction voice chat for whatever reason.
      BF 2042 apaprently has no community servers.
      Some multiplayer games, I can't remember which ones exactly, have chat muted by default.

      Why? When you take Black Desert Online for example (which doesn't let you trade with other players directly, you have to use the auction house where bots will snipe every offer, so you can't even trade indirectly) the motive is obviously greed. You're not supposed to help your buddies, your buddies are supposed to pay up if they want help but in the cases above I don't get it.
      Is it because gamers are le heckin' toxic and can't be trusted to interact with each other without hurting each other feelings and putting the game in a bad light?

      https://i.imgur.com/nVVEk6J.jpg

      The insane focus to make everything competitive ruined multiplayer games. Companies pushing esports has incentivized less player interaction, hence games have become less of a memorable social experience.

      Those modern changes depend on the genre, though.I agree that focus on creating the next big E-sport have been bad, even though I love to play competitive.
      It probably hurts everyone that isn't in the top 5% and a hardcore player.
      That being said I also think another huge factor that is killing games nowadays is the data mining and the accessibility to guides via youtube/websites.
      In the early 2000s/late 90s, it was hard to find decent strategies, or hidden tricks. You had to dig deep to find secret strategies. There were a lot of good players, that were ahead of the curve, because not everything got leaked to the majority.
      Nowadays, every little trick will get released duo to content creation and farming clicks.

      >RTS
      The level of entry to play them is huge, unless you play alone against an AI/Computer.
      Against real players, you will simply get smoked because you need to have a decent APM and Macro.
      I think RTS died because the entry of not being completely shat on is a lot higher than Mobas.
      >Fighting Games
      The same as RTS you will get murdered as a noob.
      >FPS
      I agree that many of them lack the Server browser feature, especially for Fun-Maps and Fun-modes.
      >MMORPG
      They probably always have been poop socket simulators, and I am saying this as someone who play multiple of them. Mostly as a PvP-Player and not mainly as a Raider.I raided from time to time and it was always a huge hour sink. PvE was always insanely autistic and a grindfest, at least the Raiding content.
      Casual, PvP-Players and Leveling chads were the true winners of MMORPGS.

      I also think another important point is the rejection of player created content. Fewer and fewer games give the opportunity to create custom things, or mod parts of the game.
      Just think how many great games spawned through the work of dedicated modders and the community.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        good point that I don't see a lot. I feel this ties into homogenization of strategy, and adding to general passivity of people in general. maybe only small amount of people benefit from *watching*, vast majority probably use it to zone out.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I fucking miss FPS game that had good music in the backrounds like Golden eye.perfect dark. Timesplitters. fuck these new realistic games with no music.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    But esports existed then. Maybe blaming arbitrary boogeyman isn't the solution to lifes problems.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Esports existed but games were never designed with it in mind or retroactively changed to make it more fair for top 0.01% sweats

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >retroactively changed to make it more fair for top 0.01% sweats
        You mean like CS balance changes?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This. There is a place for competitive and casual multiplayer, always was. The problems are all the other bullshit that modern devs do with multiplayer

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The issue is that casual multiplayer doesn't exist anymore, and modern game communities actively try to keep it that way. Name one multiplayer game released recently that is of the same quality as TF2, CS 1.6, Quake, HLDM, UT2004 or the myriad of other, SIGNIFICANTLY better shooters that came out 15+ years ago

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >The insane focus to make everything competitive ruined multiplayer games.
    no, it just made them generally bad, what it really ruined was single player games.

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I want to make a game called "Don't Say It"
    It's a normal FPS with a community server browser and NO RULES except "don't say moron." An AI will autodetect it and instantly permaban you. But otherwise absolutely zero rules. And there's a counter that displays how many players have been banned.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Oh and your mic must always be on, no push to talk, not allowed to play without a mic

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        your game idea was funny at first, now i hate it

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No no, here's what you do to guarantee it's funnier. If you're detected saying moron, you get 10 seconds of invincibility and all your shots are one-hit kill hitscan for that duration. A bitcrushed loudnigra.wav starts blaring to the aggressive player at the same time.THEN you get permabanned. Make it a real last huzzah.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No that's stupid, like you.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You sound like a coward.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You sound like a dumb doodoo head.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You talk like a gay retard, and your shit's all morony.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why would I play a game that doesn’t let me say moron?

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Normies and consolecucks killed MP gaming with making everything "safe"

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Eliminate extrinsic account progression.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why I quit FFXIV- MMORPGs should be social game at heart not grindfests.
      Makes me wonder if the reason the grind in FFXI was so insane was to force you to shoot the shit with your LS

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        no time to be social when you're constantly mashing out rotations
        the most social MMOs are usually the ones where combat can have long periods of downtime

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        FF14 was the only MMO in recent memory (~last year) where I could actually strike up conversations with people doing dungeons. Not often, but actually do-able if you tried.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this is 100% Guild Wars 2 feeling

      However, the best MMO I ever played was during the New Zealand 8 week lockdown and myself and 4 mates played Guild Wars 2 as a 5 man party, got to 80, did all the dungeons. It felt like it did at release.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Play Darktide
      >Play Ogryn, roleplay a retard in chat (easy)
      >Starts game with " 'ullo, nice to meet ya!"
      >No respone
      >Sees Zealot wrecking hordes with me, writes "Da Empra sure is proud"
      >Sees an elite, writes " 'ate [elite type], luv me Emprah"
      >No response
      >Mission ends, types "buh bye, pals!"
      >"gg"
      >"gg"
      >"gg"
      I kinda miss people goofing around in chat. Now its all serious business clearing the mission as fast as possible, no sightseeing, no banter. Its all streamlined. Finish this mission as fast as possible so you can start the next same mission as soon as possible to get the arbitrary currency/ranking higher as quickly as possible.
      Motherfuckers dont know how to savor their video games anymore.
      Absolute same shit with FF14. The dungeons are a litteral straight line. Its ALWAYS 2 groups of mobs before a roadblock that will be cleared. Another 2 mobs, then boss. Then repeat until you do 3 bosses and its the end of the dungeon.
      Holy shit, when your dugeon is a fucking linear algorithm you know its fucked up.
      Ff14 is basically a single player game for me at this point.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I fucking hate gays who bother typing up hello and gg while maintaining complete radio silence otherwise.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's currently what I'm going through as well. I had a few exchanges with people there, but mostly dead silent.
        The game is too intense to really stop and banter in the chat without getting poxbombed or hounded around the corner. At the end there isn't even a scoreboard to banter about so people just grab their ordos and leave.
        I don't blame the players, I blame the system.
        I'm also guilty of sometimes not responding to a guy in the chat. Typically when they start with "I need to do a penance" or do the same old boring ogryn roleplay shit. Sorry it's just old now and leads nowhere.

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He is right. In the 2000s you went online and frequently played against the same crowd, even in mmo games, limited by server. You had the same friends every time you logged in, even the same enemies and rivalries. As soon as cross server came out nobody knew anyone anymore and nobody cares. There's nothing to remember there, just mindless solo grind when you're not forced to briefly play with people you will forget as soon as you log out.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >

      https://i.imgur.com/nVVEk6J.jpg

      The insane focus to make everything competitive ruined multiplayer games. Companies pushing esports has incentivized less player interaction, hence games have become less of a memorable social experience. (OP)
      > He is right. In the 2000s you went online and frequently played against the same crowd, even in mmo games, limited by server. You had the same friends every time you logged in, even the same enemies and rivalries. As soon as cross server came out nobody knew anyone anymore and nobody cares. There's nothing to remember there, just mindless solo grind when you're not forced to briefly play with people you will forget as soon as you log out.
      This. Modern developers need to recreate those dynamics in some ways. I still miss those dudes on the server i used to play on. It was so fun playing vs the same good player all the time and catching up to him in rank or just the pleasure of fragging him one match.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah I had some unspoken rivalry against a guy called chess, we only had like 2 lines of banter in the server once, and since then we would never really talk at all but play against each other, trying to one up the other.
        We never became friends or had a chat, we didn't need to. Just jump on the server and play with the lads and sooner or later he'd show up.
        This was a one of a kind feeling that cannot be replicated in the current ecosystem.
        I think the biggest reason is that gaming got big, and normies don't know what they're missing, so devs don't either, and there's only just a portion of older gamers who experienced this and remember it, but we're a drop in the ocean at this point.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah I had some unspoken rivalry against a guy called chess, we only had like 2 lines of banter in the server once, and since then we would never really talk at all but play against each other, trying to one up the other.
        We never became friends or had a chat, we didn't need to. Just jump on the server and play with the lads and sooner or later he'd show up.
        This was a one of a kind feeling that cannot be replicated in the current ecosystem.
        I think the biggest reason is that gaming got big, and normies don't know what they're missing, so devs don't either, and there's only just a portion of older gamers who experienced this and remember it, but we're a drop in the ocean at this point.

        Oh god cringe. Yall romanticize your nostalgia way too much. You guys act like it was the glory days. When you're old you've seen it all. The same old shit. So making friends in gaming communities doesn't have that magic anymore. I'm in my 30's and play Fortnite and I make all sorts of friends by playing autofill squads. And yes, they're adults.

        I think playing with randoms in online games and making friends with them is the best. And it's so easy to make friends now with all sorts of ways of connecting with other players. Like I said earlier I think plenty of you guys just lost that zing and magic of finding new friends simply because you're older and have adult responsibilities.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          no it was good times they should bring it back. Playing vs the same people is fun.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            And you still can plenty of games have custom game browsers.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It really is. More recently, playing Killing Floor 2 at the highest difficulty for a few years between 2015 and 2018 basically, I kept running into the same people.
            The game has servers and communities but with a 6 player count it doesn't really matter as much. I just jumped into whatever non-empty server running highest diff.
            And doing that, I kept meeting the same guys. All of this without really talking. No one uses voice chat in that game, and there was nothing to say because the game doesn't wait.
            Eventually we became friends and made our own community but it took like 2 years of just recognizing their names and falling into efficient cooperation together.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Oh god cringe. You're actually going out of your way to try and make friends with random people automatched with you for one game.
          If you had experienced community servers you would know it's a totally different thing. It's friendship with an entire playerbase at once. All people with the same interest in the game as you. Effortlessly and organically.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >If you had experienced community servers you would know it's a totally different thing. It's friendship with an entire playerbase at once. All people with the same interest in the game as you. Effortlessly and organically.
            I've played plenty of them back in the day I'm in my 30's and it fucking sucked. I didn't want to make friends with anyone I just wanted to go on a stable server with no lag lmao. I made "friends" but it wasn't all that deep.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              So you didn't find your place, and apparently didn't even try to. That doesn't mean we're wrong and what we've experienced is fake and nostalgia.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I ran into several issues. Some mods and admins in servers were fucking god awful. Sometimes they had a clique that you had to abide by or else you would get singled out. Sometimes mods were just fuckin assholes and sometimes would ban you for being "disrespectful" It was a fucking mess back then and it annoyed me. I don't want to be forced into some weird surrogate family on some "community server". I don't want to play VRChat with guns. I want to fucking play to win and all of that drama bullshit I'm glad it's gone. Fuck that shit. Fuck it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It was extremely easy to find "vanilla" servers with no community. It seems like you were traumatized by an event or the other. That will not change my mind that the system was better.

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I unnironically think that competitve games would be better if they just buffed everyone instead of nerfing to the ground
    Some characters are weaker than others? Just buff them, buff everyone, then the need for meta is gone, use whoever you want since they are equal
    You won't fix the game nerfing characters anyway, just bite the bullet and embrace it, when everyone's buffed, no one is broken

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Based retard.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He's not wrong though, what difference does it make if you nerf or buff someone? Nerfs never fixed anything, a similar result would be achieved if you increased the numbers for everyone else
        Can you really convince me that all the """"balance"""" patches Riot does is anything but a meme?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I don't play riot games but you're a retard if you think you're gonna magically stop metas from existing.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Well nerfing characters and butchering their kit for ""balancing"" certainly didn't

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Because if there's a character that does 50 damage a shot, and they suck because someone else has a shield that makes them immune to damage, you can't make them better by making them do 100 damage a shot, moron. And making them ignore the immunity is shit design.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      that's the dota philosophy and that's why the game is so soulful

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >things were better when i was a child with no responsibilities, endless free time, and every experience was new
    Shocking.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      have a nice day you zoomer fuck

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is why they romanticize custom game browsers lmfao. Honestly that shit fucking sucked. I'm glad you just press one button for matchmaking.

      >The insane focus to make everything competitive ruined multiplayer games.
      TF2 leads me to agree with OP.
      As soon as they started forcing competitive trash into the game balance the game went to shit and lost half of its playerbase.

      >As soon as they started forcing competitive trash into the game balance the game went to shit and lost half of its playerbase.
      How? Why? Didn't you guys have custom game browsers? Just join a server that wasn't competitive lmao

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >How? Why? Didn't you guys have custom game browsers?
        I think weapons are hard coded and can't be altered. They "balanced" all of the non-stock weapons for competitive gays, making them all useless.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Wouldn't you think the competitive scene would know more better about what should be balanced or not though? Since they're playing at a high level they'd probably know which is imbalanced or not.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            competitive gays could just ban what they dont like instead of sucking all of the fun out of a casual party game, you fucking piece of shit

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Alright. I'm sorry.

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    matchmaking ruined multiplayer games

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Anyone else not even play multiplayer games anymore because of this shit? I haven't touched a single multiplayer game in years, the last one I played was Rising Storm 2 minus a couple of hours of Allied Assault.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The last game with multiplayer I played was FFXIV and it's telling that the most fun I had interacting with people was
      And you always had tryhard shitters telling you to stop having fun.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You are not alone

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yep

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Overwatch League destroyed Overwatch, so there's some truth to that

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Arena tournaments destroyed pvp in WoW
      >HoTs tournaments destroyed the game
      >Hearthstone tournaments ruined the game
      It just keeps happening. They keep chasing that fluke they had with Starcraft, despite it never having worked since.

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sasuga gay OP with twatter screencap.
    That said, Szymanski isn't wrong.

  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    good post anon, i really do agree, the only reason people even play multiplayer games anymore is to rank up, and not to have fun

  35. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You're only figuring this out now?
    The increasingly restrictive ways in which you can communicate and interact with other players has shown that companies just want to use you as free labor to populate servers as opponents for paypigs and numbers to their investors or owners.

  36. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >early-mid 2000s
    >playing UT 2004 custom maps with the bros
    >garrys mod zombie servers
    >CS:S with my clan mates
    >medal of honor allied assault multiplayer
    there will never be a time like that again

  37. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >no ones mentioned l4d
    Here's the real truth, a majority of morons gained access to the internet in 2006-2008 time frame. And swiftly began spdeading their simple monkey mentality of screeching contest en masse.

  38. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Isn't it just the issue of safety with dedicated servers, IP, DDoS?

    Also a major reason for the reason why they all had that is because of the culture and tech/engines at the time all came from a common origin, DOOM/Quake

  39. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I’ve never had more fun than I did with games than when I was playing CS zombie and 64 man multiplayer maps where it was just mindless insanity
    I haven’t even played a multiplayer game since and probably never will ever again

  40. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I never liked multiplayer to begin with.
    I play games to get AWAY from other people.

  41. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think a lot of people here are just incapable of admitting that 1: these games just aren't for you 2: they are fun games (and they'd have fun if they tried them) and 3: no one is stopping you from playing the old games

    Not every game needs to be like doom or duke or whatever the fuck. Sorry you dislike CoD or Halo or whatever but so what? Either play them and try and enjoy them or just don't play them. I don't get it? I do agree though servers/etc could be better and the systems in place for modern FPS games are stagnating or getting worse. But crying that the gameplay isn't good is a bad blanket statement and makes you look like more of a crybaby than anything because I guarantee most people who dislike them only played them for like... an hour or something and decided "it isn't exactly like the thing I like therefore I hate it" which is like negative IQ levels of thinking.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This whole post reeks of normie nonsense. "Teehee sorry you don't like how your hobby got soiled, but we are all wearing dirty underwear now so get with it". Fuck off.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They always say the same shit: "You're a crybaby. Get over it, it's in the past. I don't actually give a fuck but got triggered enough to make a pussified defensive post in response to no one in particular."

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This poor young man has unfortunately eaten, digested and regurgitated the basic bulletpoint defense of the shitty consumer age we are in.
      You'll come to terms with it at some point in your life, hopefully before you're too old to not feel like the fool you are.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        dw your daddy putin will save the west from shit games or whatever

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      1998 DOOM is LITERALLY the originator of sweaty tryhard 1v1s. You zoomed Blackids know nothing about the deathmatching we'd do on forums.

  42. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's less the games and more the players sadly. This is especially true with MMOs where devs know there is literally no reason to try and promote community or variety in builds/gameplay styles due to the fact literally all the majority of players will do is google "Best build for tank" and then follow a guide someone made by putting everything through a spreadsheet.

  43. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you kids would never survive mw2 lobbies

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >you kids would never survive mw2 lobbies
      You fags are so fucking cringe. Those lobbies were never that bad. You gays walk around like it's a badge of honor makes you complete losers.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        that didn’t take long

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I see everyone post this, "you wouldn't survive a Cawadooty lobby" It was never that big of a deal just children screaming obscenities was never that bad to begin with. CoD are casuals.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            exactly lol it’s bait

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It's not bait they really walk around like if its a badge of honor

  44. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You haven't played games if you haven't been threatened to be stabbed with a screwdriver by some scrub you kept killing with a deagle in a cafe. Those were the days. Talked shit? The guy you're shit talking is sitting somewhere in the lan cafe.

  45. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >these people will never survive MW2 lobbies!

    Counter Strike era was probably worse since you could upload your spray and have it show grotesque shit, gore, etc. Some /b/ tier stuff.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I remember a dude had a spray of a barely legible picture of a book page and people asked wtf it was and he said something along the lines of "Page 50 of Mein Kampf, if any of you are German that shit's in your cache and you're committing a crime now"

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ah, the classic meatspin, anime titties and big moron dick sprays in TF2. Good memories. It makes me sad that Valve disabled sprays in their servers.

  46. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >a dozen brushes total
    Can Ganker design a map for any Quake or derivative game using only 12 brushes?
    >Baby mode: map must be sealed, no leaks (this leaves you with 8 brushes since the minimum number of brushes to seal a map is 4 in the shape of a tetrahedron)
    >Normal mode: no models with physics enabled (so you can use things like control points, but you can't use a fence model as a wall)
    >Hard mode: map has an objective that isn't deathmatch or a variation of deathmatch
    >Very Hard mode: 12 brush limit also applies to brush entities, so that includes things like spawn zones, triggers, capture zones, etc.
    >Dante Must Die mode: no displacements of any kind
    >Impossible mode: map is actually fun

  47. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Kek, the competitive aspect came from developers focusing on hyper-competitive people that find competition in everything. They then for some reason decided to focus on pleasing/designing their games based on them, and the people also changed, because they also watch montages of these highly skilled people and they wanted to do the same. So it's a blame on both sides.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >He's mad because the devs weeded out bad players
      FILTERED.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Except I'm part of those good players. Never have I complained about it, in fact, even somewhat good players are pussies because they refuse to face even stronger players than them and further improve. It's the whole reason why COD players were shedding tears about SBMM.

  48. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >The insane focus to make everything competitive ruined multiplayer games.
    TF2 leads me to agree with OP.
    As soon as they started forcing competitive trash into the game balance the game went to shit and lost half of its playerbase.

  49. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Each and every online FPS game should allow the player to switch between Matchmaking and Custom Server mode, no exceptions.
    If you want SBMM then the game should have a "ranked" tab for that.
    If you want to join a server, then there should be a custom server.

  50. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it was esports and competitive gaming, combined with the fact that "gamers" act like raging incels when they lose because irl they're physically weak shitters who never actually played sports and were never taught good sportsmanship or how to accept defeat.

  51. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What he's not mentioning is why there's an obsession with keeping players from interacting with one another because he doesn't want to be cancelled. Say what you will about CoD, but at least the vast majority of players have the ability to yell profanities and slurs on an open mic lobby without fear of being banned. It's much more than you can say for any multiplayer game

  52. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The worst thing is the slow boil where being able to mute and ban players for their speech has gradually resulted in censorship in video games, both single player and multiplayer. To rub salt over the wound, people defend the censorship because the companies force you to agree to their EULA after you bought the product.

  53. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The best multiplayer games don't have chats, who needs to say no-no-words when you can do a point down gesture?

  54. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Matchmaking killed online FPS, yes. It led to ~~*SBMM*~~ and other gnomish tricks that are literally designed by psychologists on the payroll to keep you glued to the screen not by designing a compelling and interesting game and giving you the freedom to play it the way you want, but by constantly nudging at your reward centers to keep you glued to the screen like a zombie.

  55. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >throwing tantrums is a good thing
      There's improvement, then there's acting like a literal toddler

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >No, it's completely reasonable that I smashed $500 worth of electronics because I lost.
      >I don't have a problem.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      understandable if the craft was anything but fucking vidya which I understand in his case is important as one of the few who can earn a living off it but it's not sound advice for 99.99% of us

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sure, but that doesn't mean you need to outright destroy shit

  56. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    nobody fucking played multiplayer back then, if you want to play games with 30 fucking people playing them and stomp noobs you can, they still exist

  57. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i agree

  58. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Daily fucking reminder.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >screencapping your fucking self

      Fuck off gay

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What does it matter if I screencap myself when the argument is sound you fucking retarded moron gay? have a nice day.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      autistic

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Jesus Christ this is the cringiest thing I've seen in years

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >incel angry that others have sex and he doesn't
      >talks about "improving" to play games but can't improve himself enough to get laid
      Lulz. Also, the zoomies on Apex and Fortnite are crazy good at the game. That gay couldn't build himself a D-cube in Fortnite but a little zoom zoom could dab on his ass.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous
        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Are you that boring that you can't improve for your hobby, OR your life? You just cry when you aren't spoonfed entertainment? Sheesh. Talk about uninteresting.

  59. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >everyone goes on about "muh freedums of speech" and "evil company supressing organic interactions"
    >play Overwatch 2
    >literally every single game is non-stop harassment towards the Support players, and since it's not racial, Blizzard doesn't do shit
    I'm convinced that people just want to be cyberbullies.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >everyone goes on about "muh freedums of speech" and "evil company supressing organic interactions"
      I love how these fags romanticize custom game browsers being this freedom of speech paradise when in reality majority of them had very specific rules like racism and sometimes the rules didn't even matter they'd just ban you if they didn't like you for whatever reason.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >break rule in custom game. kicked for 30 minute. sometimes banned from the server.
        >break rule in modern game. Banned for life.
        This is totally equivalent.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >break rule in custom game. kicked for 30 minute. sometimes banned from the server.
          Get the fuck out of here they will outright permabanned you just as much as modern day globohomo games. Don't give me that shit.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I remember loving TF2 Valve servers purely because there were zero butthurt admins to ban me when I killed them too much

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            on a per-server basis, though

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That was half the fun of some servers though, watching retards get into a dickwaving contest with the equally retarded admin.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I'm there to play a game not watch some drama unfold

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >You have been banned from the server.
        >Reason: Admin disrespect

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >You have been banned from the server.
          >Reason: DISGUSTING sprays of a man's gaping anus and a woman in a bathtub defecating orange liquid on her own face

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >e-sports ruined competitive games
      Yes
      >as did the obsession with keeping players from interacting with one another
      That was an organic reaction to players no longer caring about voice chat with strangers. Lots pf devs don't even try to prevent players from interacting, players just won't do it. Although there's a chicken/egg question here, as it could be argued that e sports obsessed games like Overwatch created the worst environment for Interaction with randoms and turned an entire generation off to the idea.

      Every interaction in games like overwatch is extremely negative. But I think the rot began with League of Legends. Never before were you forced to endure a 20-50 minute match with people you hated or risk your account being banned. If angry gamers don't have the ability to walk away from a bad situation they WILL explode.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        League of legends during the metas where games in gold/plat/diamond went to 40-50 mins turned everyone into horrible people.
        Worst was when I was in my diamond promos and this psycho eve player kept miraculously matching up and genuinely had a different personality each match (sometimes on my team, sometimes on the other team) and then started spamming friend invites to me and writing huge paragraphs about how I was an awful player (I won my promos and got into diamond though lol). Just completely schizo
        And then I wondered, how many people like that does League have, where they just fly off the handle in unique ways every match but you never see them more than once

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i mean it could just be that OW2 is a frustrating game, but i suspect that the carebear rules of OW2 have actually driven people to be more hostile

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >everyone goes on about "muh freedums of speech" and "evil company supressing organic interactions"
      I love how these fags romanticize custom game browsers being this freedom of speech paradise when in reality majority of them had very specific rules like racism and sometimes the rules didn't even matter they'd just ban you if they didn't like you for whatever reason.

      League of legends during the metas where games in gold/plat/diamond went to 40-50 mins turned everyone into horrible people.
      Worst was when I was in my diamond promos and this psycho eve player kept miraculously matching up and genuinely had a different personality each match (sometimes on my team, sometimes on the other team) and then started spamming friend invites to me and writing huge paragraphs about how I was an awful player (I won my promos and got into diamond though lol). Just completely schizo
      And then I wondered, how many people like that does League have, where they just fly off the handle in unique ways every match but you never see them more than once

      [...]
      Every interaction in games like overwatch is extremely negative. But I think the rot began with League of Legends. Never before were you forced to endure a 20-50 minute match with people you hated or risk your account being banned. If angry gamers don't have the ability to walk away from a bad situation they WILL explode.

      I played in the top 0,00X% for Ass gays and I hate toxic people.
      There is a difference between people calling you a gay/moron once, or people that spam "I slit your throat moron gay" and type a novel for the slightest mistake.
      I used to drop gay from time to time and I have never been banned.
      You have serious anger issues and low emotional control if you are getting banned.I know Riot/Blizzard are gays nowadays, that will ban you for "no no words", but in the past you could easily slip some bad words without getting banned.
      You had to be a complete dickhead to get banned in the past.
      There is a difference between having a heated argument, where you actually call out people for obvious mistakes, or being a complete dickhead crybaby that has a meltdown every game.
      Especially since most of the heavy typers are also subhumans that will intentionally ruin a game.
      The worst thing is, if you are actual high Elo, you rarely can escape these gays. Because the chances of them being in the next game, or meeting them the next day, is extremely high.
      People that grief games intentionally, or write a novel every game are gays and they rightfully should be permabanned.
      Imagine playing Basketball/Soccer/Football and one of your teammates screams "moron gay I SLIT YOUR THROAT" non-stop and also is actively sabotaging your own team.
      Heavy typers/cry babies, or grievers, are rightfully banned.The sad part is that the passive grieving is a lot harder to detect, than saying the bad words.

  60. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >e-sports ruined competitive games
    Yes
    >as did the obsession with keeping players from interacting with one another
    That was an organic reaction to players no longer caring about voice chat with strangers. Lots pf devs don't even try to prevent players from interacting, players just won't do it. Although there's a chicken/egg question here, as it could be argued that e sports obsessed games like Overwatch created the worst environment for Interaction with randoms and turned an entire generation off to the idea.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I distinctly remember consoles being a nightmare for communication, MS changed that by adding 8 player party chats and that's when people stopped interacting, at least on Xbox 360. And party chat came out in 2009 or 2010 i cant fucking remember

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      In terms of communication, it started on consoles, the first one was the X360 with private lobbies where only your friends could join. I've noticed that ever since then, most people just don't talk in most game lobbies anymore. Surprisingly, only the MW2 Remastered has brought to life people talking.

  61. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There are hundreds of casual multiplayer games on steam and nintendo makes a bunch of them as well, yet all I hear about are people seething about competitive games. Why don't people just buy and play casual games if competitive games are so shitty?

  62. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I miss playing Halo 3 custom forge maps.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Playing fat kid and duck hunt in custom lobbies some random from matchmaking invited you to

      Actual kino.

  63. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    FPS used to be about fun gameplay. Now it seems there are so many factors devs want to cater to before fun it’s no wonder the games are shit

  64. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    if you just want vrchat with guns why put the effort into playing an actual game? other titles already filled the dumb social party niche that you modded those games into so play those.

  65. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Public matchmaking is inherently the problem. Servers were communities, not just 32 slots for players. There was a relatively stable group of people who wanted to play a certain way, and if you didn't like it, you could leave and find your own place. Some servers were just randos on a default map rotation, some were heavily modified 24/7 maps or game types, some were hyper-competitive, some were run by cliques, some like prisons, others the military, some had so little to do with the actual game that they were glorified chatrooms.

    Not only did matchmaking remove your ability to choose who you want to play with and how you want to play with them, it enforces some lowest common denominator dev controlled vision of how everyone is supposed to be. You didn't just lose freedom of choice, you are now shackled with additional requirements that don't need to exist. You can't do what you want because a hypothetical person you will never run into wouldn't approve of it.

    And all of this so you don't have to spend 2 minutes refreshing a server browser.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Server browsers suck and matchmaking is not the cause of nanny state coming for video games.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Public matchmaking is inherently the problem.
      Fuck no it ain't! Looking for a proper server was the pain. Riddled with fucking shitty ass mods you had to play. Pre-Steam/Valve you had to painstakingly look for every mod the server used. If it was the wrong version or forgot you had to keep looking. Half the mods were useless for most players since it was used by circlejerking mods on the server.
      >Servers were communities,
      They were and I'm glad they weren't back. I was never looking for fucking friends I wanted to play. I wasn't looking for a friendship club and that shit was fucking gay. And on top of that the childish server drama. I just wanted to play. And matchmaking solved all of that. Glad custom game browsers fucking died off.
      >There was a relatively stable group of people who wanted to play a certain way, and if you didn't like it, you could leave and find your own place.
      Looking for a good server was too much of an inconvenience and a chore to fucking do. Again, matchmaking you just clicked READY and you're thrown in. The painstakingly numb way of looking for servers fucking sucked. Too many modded servers with shitty unoptimized maps, with LE MEME garbage all over it with LE PISTOLS ONLY modes. Fuck that gay shit.
      >Not only did matchmaking remove your ability to choose who you want to play
      Fuck you. I'm a 32 year old boomer who grew up on the classics like Starsiege Tribes. Fuck that gay ass shit.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I spent my whole childhood in source engine games and I can tell you right now that the whole excessively modded server shit only started getting notable around '09-'10, and if you had some braincells you could click the funny little filter button and wipe out anything you didn't want to see. Not being able to click three buttons in sequence isn't a mark of a bad system, its a skill issue.

        I will agree that it did absolutely get as bad as you're trying to pass off, but it wasn't always like that, not even in gmod. The turning point was the barrier of entry to modding dropped through the floor, so any random idiot could make "custom" (read: rebadged) mods that retarded admins paid for so they could make money off the idiots willing to pay for a shiny name tag.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >and if you had some braincells you could click the funny little filter button and wipe out anything you didn't want to see.
          Like I said in my last post. It was still a pain to look for an ideal server even after using the filter functionality. I don't know why you can't comprehend this.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >something is annoying, but allows freedom
            >nah fuck that, cut it out and sprayfoam some janky shit in designed to milk you for microtransactions
            >fixed haha
            I can't comprehend it because I don't want to, simple as.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Microtransactions has nothing to do with custom server browsers.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Microtransactions has nothing to do with custom server browsers.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Developers host official servers in addition to allowing custom servers
            Problem solved

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Developers host official servers in addition to allowing custom servers
              Fortnite has it. Overwatch has it. CS:GO has it. And yet those custom game browsers are still dead.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Even if they are less populated compared to the primary method of playing the game there's little reason not to include them. I doubt Fortnite would still be supporting creative if literally no one played it. In fact, the only one of those that even has actual servers is CS:GO, but you literally have CS:S or 1.6 if you want to play custom stuff so I wouldn't call it so cut and dry.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I honestly think the supposed rise on cheating is because of the decline of community servers. Matchmaking has no form of prevention of them rather than a report that will probably get seen four months later or a vote kick(which usually isn't in).

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yeah
      I spent 15 years in the same CSS server with AWP disabled, allchat on, playing with the same ~300 regulars rotating in and out, chatting with the mods. We had people playing with their children, we had a marriage ceremony between two players (after they married irl). We had a whole little life inside counter strike.

      Nowadays there's no game that even has that potential. I'm looking at various games, but there isn't. And it's not an age thing, I'm still younger now than a lot of guys I played with 15 years ago.

      It's sad and I don't know exactly why people moved away from it. It seems like there's no demand for it anymore.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >It's sad and I don't know exactly why people moved away from it. It seems like there's no demand for it anymore.

        >Pay 60$ for game
        >Offend some aspie
        >60$ stolen forever

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          this is becoming a thought-terminating cliche. there are so many things wrong with the design and operation of multiplayer games today, and you could have said something interesting about them, but you've distilled it all down to your gay culture war so there's no need for any further thought.

  66. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I used to want matchmaking super badly back in those days just for the convenience of being able to find a "serious" game quickly and at any time. I didn't expect the social aspect of gaming to transform completely once it was a standard feature.

    Younger generations literally do not know what they're missing and it makes me sad for them. 98% of interactions in games now revolve around matchmaking in some way, however in earlier times good and bad players mixed more frequently, leading to social networks which were healthier, more varied and less focused around the game itself. Nowadays I feel guilty about playing with my friends in some games because I ruin their fun with high MMR, either stomping the other team too hard or getting severely outmatched as it tries to "balance" things.

    Additionally, back in the earlier eras of multiplayer gaming they'd usually self-moderate themselves for difficulty by letting people switch teams until there was a balanced game, otherwise people would quickly just leave. Now despite the matchmaking, one sided games feel more frequent than they used to be (to me, at least).

  67. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If private servers are so much better why don't you just go play them? Or maybe you don't actually miss when everything was shit?

  68. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Devs don't do this shit because they want to be "competitive" or an "esports". It's because the thought of their player base escaping the carefully focus-tested rat maze they've designed to maximize engagement and MTX purchases fills them with an unceasing dread. Community servers would allow you to escape the algorithm and that cannot be tolerated. You might be out there having fun with people you know on both sides and not buying a 20$ collection of pixels.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      True

  69. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nah it's not the push for e-sports - it's the heavy censorship of it while having to compete with non-whites/non-east asians. Nobody likes Black folks, chicanos, or other third-worlders.

  70. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Even mmos these days barely have a community. If you were shooting the shit in the server wide channels you'd start recognizing people and make connections. That's all gone now too.

  71. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    As soon as the companies got "in" on the scene was when it started to die.

  72. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Blame consoles
    Blame dudebros and lousy failed dudebros filling up gaylo playerbase

  73. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Only greedy companies care about their game being a competitive esport. Its just a msrketing ploy. Blizzard tried to literally fabricate one out of nothing and shocker, it did not work!

  74. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He's a retard otherwise but this is absolutely, undeniably true.

  75. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's not even competition it's about having a controllable ecosystem so they can make more money and also limit offending left wingers.

    In the Q3 days you had mods and custom levels, custom skins and characters; it was a big market. If you can download your own maps / skins they can't sell you anything. There's also the problem that in a server based ecosystem you can't really be banned, you can just move elsewhere. Which irritates the left who want to control speech, just look at mordhau and all the negative attention it received

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Thank you for speaking the truth.

  76. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >game has mute or block feature
    >still heavy political moderation

    Can't have the goyim waking up 🙂

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Careful, kids here love garden gnomes and they get upset when you criticise them

  77. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Esports are for men who lack any real drive to better themselves irl. Learning how to perfectly parry in a fighting game won't help you with anything in reality while lifting weights over years will.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      we get it, you're attracted to men

  78. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >old good
    >new bad

  79. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    anyone remember playing on puzzle servers in half life deathmatch?
    that shit was kino and i hate that there arent any puzzle/minigames servers for source/global offensive

  80. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Removing server browsers ruined gaming, gay.
    People always played competitive / competitively but now that everything is "matchmaking" etc., those players are all lumped in with the casuals and makes for an unfun experience for all sides.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >People always played competitive / competitively but now that everything is "matchmaking" etc., those players are all lumped in with the casuals and makes for an unfun experience for all sides.
      git gud

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Hey moron, I am one of those people that played competitively. So yes, I am good.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          How much did you get paid, gay? 5 dollars? LMFAO.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Most I've won was $500 from a match, yes.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Fucking larper man, stop bullshitting you're on Ganker everyone is a talentless hack who likes to pretend they're Andrew Tate playing League of Legends with some Korean bitches.

              What game?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                CS:Source, it was back in 2010.
                I used to play Diamond rank in early SC2 before there were Masters or whatever.
                Average KD/r of 6.3 in Battlefield.

                Honestly I don't know why I still visit here. I guess it's one of the last few places of the internet that isn't fucked and doesn't take days to get a response..

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      CS:Source, it was back in 2010.
      I used to play Diamond rank in early SC2 before there were Masters or whatever.
      Average KD/r of 6.3 in Battlefield.

      Honestly I don't know why I still visit here. I guess it's one of the last few places of the internet that isn't fucked and doesn't take days to get a response..

      Makes sense. You're just an old washed up esports player and you don't want to give it your all anymore.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Well I never considered myself an "esports" player. I just enjoyed playing at a high level. Games these days are just low-skilled, souless hacks so I find myself on Ganker more or playing older games, which are still alive thanks to server browsers.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'm just kidding man, I'm sorry for my last comment. Ever thought about playing Fortnite?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I played it in 2017 or whenever it was ... That one poorfag that couldn't afford $15 for PUBG.
            Yeah, it was okay.
            I never liked the Battle Royale genre. Far too random and campy. I only played because I had a lot of fun with my friends. Half the time we'd die just doing stupid shit.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Dude play it ignore the noise about it being a casual game. It probably is but there's some insane players try zero-build

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nah, I absolutely despite Battle Royale.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                despise**

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Well what do you play then?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                These days honestly not much.
                Might jump on CS:S / CS:GO community servers
                BF3 / BF4 community servers.
                BF2042 (a little), it was fun to teamstack and make the enemy seethe (everyones a "streamer" these days so we found their team chat)
                Battlebit
                Played a little bit of Quake recently. Got the boys back together and we played it for a weekend. Would be awesome to LAN like the old days though.

                Few casual games here and there. Elden Ring and whatever is in my backlog. Finally got around to play Mirrors Edge Catalyst. Game was alright.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >CS:GO
                Why not Valorant? What are your thoughts on that game anyways?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't really play the base game, more so the community servers like Surf, Bunnyhopping, Jailbreak, Zombies etc. Always a good laugh, especially on CS:S. Reminds me of the good old days.
                Valorant is just the zoomer version of CS:GO. Bright colours, abilities etc.

  81. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I've been saying this for over a decade. It's specially bad with MMOs. It's the reason they have all been shit for years. E-sports is the cancer killing the industry.

  82. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >a few mega-corporations basically control the AAA video game market
    >decide to monetize multiplayer gaming by attracting sponsorship and advertising monies through competitive play
    >the days of micspamming, chatting, and derping around on multiplayer servers during the weekday with other idle friendlies is over

  83. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    what a long post to say normies ruin everything
    >competitive!!!!
    it was always fair games with players of equivalent skills
    >interaction = toxicity!!!
    skilled players just wanted to play the game, without bitching about every mental illness they had every second
    the moment the viel is lifted and normies come together, wow, shocker!!!!! people are inequal and have horrible personalities!

  84. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I mean he’s kinda right though. I’ve rotating FPS games for awhile now, but feel at home with Insurgency Sandstorm. Not because it’s a realistic shooter, but because people are just fucking chill and goofy. 90% of the people you meet are chill and talk about stupid shit like what type of ribs are the best, whoa gonna get sat down on next round, and why autism doesn’t exist. The only time the game is ruined is when some tryharding nutcracker comes in crying about KDA and strategy. And if you look at their profile they almost always come from some other competitive shooter where being toxic is the norm.

    Anyways, I always TK them until they either leave, or I get auto kicked. (which I don’t)

  85. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >everything competitive
    there are literaaly zero fps games right now, every single one is casual as fuck with autoaim and fixed ranking

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What FPS game are you good at, poser?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes anon. That's "competitive" in that your average garbage player can be "competitive" with people who know how to play.
      Esports put too much money into FPS and MOBA shit that companies just chase that rich fantasy of being able to profit from people just watching others playing their game and buy skins.
      It's not about being good anymore, it's about who can make you the most money getting famous.

  86. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >play a private pso server
    >people are talking, setting up trades, and even chatting about non-game shit on occasion
    >feels like there are actual people in the game

    >play modern mmo
    >the only chat is bots spamming ads for their services
    >saying something will have nobody respond back
    >players stand or sit around like npcs
    >feels like you're playing a mediocre single player game with random ai allies and lots of barebones npcs meant to give the illusion of a large world

    Why does a fucking game from 20 years ago feel more alive than a modern MMO filled with hundreds of thousands of people?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      any significant number of bots is going to make players disengage from chat. if things feel ingenuine or predatory, why invest time and effort talking to what may be bots?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Pffft HAHAHAHAHAHAH oh fuck, you're retarded

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Bot?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      people who want to socialize in mmos don't play modern mmos. the genre is now mostly played by people who don't like the multiplayer part of massive multiplayer online games

  87. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >games were the best when I was in my teenage and early 20s years
    uh huh

  88. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I said this years ago and you gays just screamed "git gud" at me. Remember when Ganker used to fellate Starcraft 1 champs 10 years or more ago?

    Games were never meant to be about hyper-competitive bullshit. They were just meant to either be mechanically fun, a vehicle for escapism or both.

    Go play a real sport if you have a competitive instinct. Oh wait, you'll get your ass handed to you even in your local badminton league. Nevermind.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Oh and you can sure as fuck blame the decline of single player FPS on this shit too.

  89. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >ctrl + f
    >server browser
    only 11 people with brain cells.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      CS:Source and Bad Company 2 was peak

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nah BC2 was shit.
        BF3 was peak.
        BF4 in certain scenarios was as well.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >BF3 was peak
          hahahaha
          Everyone shit on the game when it released you stupid contrarian

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Are you new?
            They shit on every single game at launch because they are fucking retards.

  90. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I have been feeling really empty lately, and really want to play a game with some social interaction (since my life is devoid of it). Any recommendations?

  91. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    One thing I realized is just how fucking time consuming these competitive games have gotten..

    Like in overwatch for example

    Used to play some matches and then rank up..

    Overwatch w comes out.
    You don't even know if you're going to rank up or not after 7 matches which are what, 30 minutes each?

    I just said fuck it and now play single player games.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The zoomers only play for the "grind".
      Gundam Evolution died as fast as it did because they completed "the grind" within a week. It was the most discussed thing on the Steam forums.
      I've noticed this in other games as well. Some CS:GO Zombie servers have lootboxes, daily challenges, unlocks etc. and they keep asking for me. Counter-Strike fucking ZOMBIES.

      What happened to playing a game for fun, rather than an artificial grind.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Playing to grind is a chore. It feels like a second job. Fuck that.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >You don't even know if you're going to rank up or not after 7 matches which are what, 30 minutes each?
      it's a compulsion mechanic, and overwatch 2 has quite a few of them

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The zoomers only play for the "grind".
      Gundam Evolution died as fast as it did because they completed "the grind" within a week. It was the most discussed thing on the Steam forums.
      I've noticed this in other games as well. Some CS:GO Zombie servers have lootboxes, daily challenges, unlocks etc. and they keep asking for me. Counter-Strike fucking ZOMBIES.

      What happened to playing a game for fun, rather than an artificial grind.

      Many competitive Matchmaking systems are rigged to keep you playing for longer times nowadays.
      When you could rush into the top 1000 in around 50-70 games with a good win rate, this is barely possible nowadays.The system actually try to fuck you up and make your climb longer, with teammates on a losing streak/grievers/trolls or players out of their role/position.
      People will call you a schizo for saying it is obvious that many Matchmaking systems are rigged, when they are even white papers by EA/Blizzard/Riot showing "potential ways to increase player engagement."
      Companies actively rigs shit to keep you grinding, I also bet my nutsack that Pay piggies even get preferred treatment in matchmaking.

  92. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    keep shfiting the blame from anita and her sjw ilk

  93. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Obligatory

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      dane?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >crits
      >everything that makes it unique

      holy SHIT fuck off

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Found the uncletopia groomer

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          t. bro running the bots

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Why would i run the bots? This shit would only benefit Dane and his Fagtopia.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Nope. See, something like this was bound to happen eventually. You leave a vulnerability in a game as popular as TF2 and some epic troll is going to try and kill it for kicks, guaranteed. The shit Dane and other server owners do for the game is saving it.
              You know what could really help kill the game? If you spread it all over the place that Community server owners were behind the bots all along. To the point where every single time you mention community servers some retard asks "didn't they cause the bots?"

              I've seen this shit happen before.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Name one part of my post where i said Dane caused the bots, you dipshit.
                I said that the bots benefit his shitty playground for testically challenged, since people will flock to it to escape the bots.
                Dane's gay den wouldn't live long if the bots weren't a problem and there was competition that doesn't try to fucking copy dane's server shit because it's popular or fucking skial.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If the only person it would benefit is Dane according to you, then who's running the bots? Hmmm.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >He keeps strawmaning the words
                How about you shove a non-random spread scout scattergun up your ass?
                I never said it benefits ONLY dane, but as long as his servers stay pretty much unchallenged, he's pretty much the one who has the majority of the benefit.
                >Who's running the bots
                How the fuck am i supposed to know? It could be bored russian hackers having fun, it could be chinks idea of planning ww3, it could be some 3000 iq autist who made this all as a ruse to blame dane for the bots, it could be CIA and IRS trying to jail Dane for tax evasion from increased profits after they've failed to get him for his CP stash, it could be Dane himself - i don't give a shit. The bots still benefit him regardless of who's behind this shit.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Shut the fuck up you insufferable Brazilian gay.

                have a nice day.

  94. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    zoomers will never experience the bread and butter combo that is mario_kart_2_v30 and HLDJ. instead they're forever stuck to shoehorned competitive 5v5 hero shooters centered around matchmaking for ~maximum player engagement~, and now we all suffer for it.

  95. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Man this sentiment is just so fucking tiresome.

    I was there, you know? I played fun Garry's Mod and TF2 servers, I played them extensively. I avoided competitive play for most of my life and I had fun doing it.

    But why the fuck are people so preoccupied with this dumbass slapfight of casuals vs competitive players? I'll say it, David's fucking wrong. Competitive play isn't the problem. It's a "kids these days don't know how to have fun" tier complaint. What is even the supposed solution to this claim? "Ah just throw 'em in a 100% crits TF2 server and they'll know what's right?"

    Do you know what the actual issue is? It's twofold, and it's simple.
    >Live service means you have no control over your games, done because if the developer has complete control over your experience it's easier to manipulate you into buying something, which is how live service games survive
    and
    >people will give up literally fucking ANYTHING if it's less convenient than the alternative.

    There are a ton of people that have terrible memories of TF2's community server era simply because they thought finding a server was annoying. All of the variety and possibilities that casual play thrives on and they couldn't stand it because they couldn't just click play and go.

    Competitive being emphasized is just a symptom of games being designed to be addictive and if competitive didn't exist, games would still be this way. It's not as though matchmaking-only games with similar problems didn't exist without even having a competitive playlist.

    I have no god damn idea why people are so attached to this useless premise.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Competitive being emphasized is just a symptom of games being designed to be addictive
      This.
      What modern games focus on isn't "Competition", it's "Progression".
      Competitive modes are just a framework that allows the game to present a form of progression and then make the player struggle to progress. You progress through ranks, through account levels, through gear tiers, through faction reputations, through absolutely anything as long as there is a number somewhere and you can make the number bigger because making numbers bigger is the foundation of the business model.

      Allowing players to just have fun and manipulate the game as they see fit takes control away from the developer and limits their options to monetise their 'Live Service' which is why you aren't allowed to play games how you like any more.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      idk, i do feel like you are both right in some way

  96. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >OLD GOOD NEW BAD
    Woah.. what a new fresh and original take. My mind has truly seen the light after reading this transcendental tweet.

  97. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    we will never go back to good ol' times, corporate greed and normalfags ruined everything

  98. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I absolutely agree with this guy and I have no fucking clue who he is. Modded servers and maps in Call of Duty 1 and 2 were peak SOVL.

  99. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    lol my wife has tye same tattoo but on her thigh. She really likes poker.

  100. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm a console gamer so my only experience with servers was with Battlefield. I agree on a couple of things. The first is that no one is interested in uniting people anymore for fear of ending up on some useless vg site and branded as a toxic game.
    The second is the obsession with competitiveness, casual modes are just a ranked mode with no ranks, I find it impossible to play social games with less experienced people than me because I always find people as expert as me, so my friends don't have fun, we lose and after a while they quit. Also often this competitive mentality makes the game TOO dynamic, one day you use a weapon/character and the next day it's useless, not everyone likes this.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Also on console nobody talks anymore, the only console with a microphone included straight from the box is PS5 because the dualsense has an active built-in microphone, but nobody seems to care or have noticed it and you sometimes hear background noises and that's it.

  101. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >he's a zoomer that plays call of duty and overwatch and """"boomer shooters""""-like games
    >he doesn't know there are literally games that are made to tap into what made source games fun
    If you're an actual Ganker oldfag and remember playing Jaykin Bacon Source back in the day I have just the game for you
    Come home white man
    https://store.steampowered.com/app/869480/Jabroni_Brawl_Episode_3/

  102. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Try Chivalry 2. You can customize your classes with a shit ton of different voices and every single voice has like 50 different emotes with voice acting. You can also get away with saying some insanely nasty shit in chat. I've told people to backflip off bridges, wrap plastic bags over their heads, inhale helium, drink bleach and so on. Also have went on insane rants about the garden gnomes, gay mafia, morons, Arab donkey fuckers and women just to stir shit up with zero consequences. The gameplay is really good too. Played 1500 hours so far acting like a total monkey and still haven't gotten a single ban yet

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >ahhh those halcyon days when i acted like a low impulse-control nog and annoyed everyone else
      did you make any friends?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >did you make any friends?
        You'll probably not believe this but yes, made a few friends. Also met my gf there. She's as based as I am

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          don't shoot up walmart

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not american lol

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              probable serb

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Norwegian

  103. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I do like how companies are cracking down on toxicity imo

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      all i fucking see these days is toxicity. no one's interested in chatting, the only communication is raging at teammates

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What I really hate is people saying that privately owned server space shouldn't be allowed to moderate itself or even exist because "think of the children"

      Something I've actually heard

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Think of the children
        Works every time regardless of era.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          and this fucking dude, this "autism advocate" or whatever he was phrasing it as this heartfelt, emotional watershed moment that everyone had forgotten in all of the arguing. Like saying "give up a little bit more of your freedom and autonomy 4 da kids" is something fucking revelatory.

          You know, I'm a victim of the free and open internet. My parents gave me free reign over the internet and I developed a porn addiction that genuinely had an impact on my life by age 12. At one point they slapped parental locks on my account but it wasn't for that, it was to stop me from playing games. Guess what, Parental controls didn't know what fetish porn was, I couldn't play games, and now my interests are even more deranged, like japan.

          Point is, people need to stop advocating for the internet to become more restrictive and start taking a fucking interest in what their kids are doing on a platform that allows them to talk to anyone and consume anything you can think of. Locking it down isn't even going to stop it.

  104. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    this happened in ut and quake as well
    fuck source engine and fuck valve

  105. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >play on a random CSS/1.6 server
    >get an unironic nostalgia boner
    It really was a better time.

  106. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    As an autist that hates talking to people I support the new model. Fuck you social extroverted chatfags. Either play the game seriously or go chat in discord or whatever.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >waaah I hate talking to people
      >here I am, telling you about it on an internet website made for talking to people

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What he means is he hates hearing his own voice and regularly gets made fun of

  107. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Matchmaking happened because server lists are too clunky for consoles. Having an ELO system on top of it just makes sense. That being said I don't disagree with him. Most of my IRC (and then later Steam and Discord friends) are from random CS servers or MMORPG games of early 00s.

  108. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I only play single player/co-op games nowdays

  109. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Chat censors are censoring chat.
    No one talks because it's literally "say wrong word, lose money".
    In The Old Days, you shot the shit and they shot the shit and you'd talk shit and everyone could take shit.
    Now you get banned for nothing because random matchmaking means you can never tell if there's a thin-skinned twitter warrior ready to pounce on any wrongword.

    So no one talks.

  110. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He's right. SBMM and MMR have ruined multiplayer turning party games into competivted games.

    One example is DBD. That game was great before MMR was added that allowed fun gameplay and builds for killers and survivors, but now every killer and survivor runs meta shit and does questionable things that make it unfun for both sides of the player. And DBD is suppose to be a party game.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Don't eat British Petroleum

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Good one.

  111. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >some 14 year old Russian kid spamming bass boosted hip hop on his mic
    For me, it's Frenchies going "je sui monte"

  112. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >come home from school
    >boot up UT99

    >join CTF
    >spam "Roger that" at the end of match
    >vote for the next map
    >hours pass until dinner time

    This kind of shit will never happen again.

  113. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yep

  114. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What killed it was the murder of dedicated servers.
    You can't expect to matchmake people and have a good community. Some people play to relax, some play to tryhard, some play to to do jank shit, some wan't the same map constantly, others want change, some want user created surf maps...
    Killing off small communities people could consistently return too is what killed FPS and many other multiplayer games.

  115. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Kurwarator is kind of right, I don’t mind compgayry (I do it myself) but now more then half of the games are either a multiplayer compgayry or an open world gayms.

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