>the players call what is clearly a man-at-arms a "knight" just because of the armor
>the players call what is clearly a man-at-arms a "knight" just because of the armor
>the players call what is clearly a man-at-arms a "knight" just because of the armor
>clearly
What makes it so clear?
Agreed the only difference between a Man-At-Arms and a knight is whether they have been knighted for their valor yet. Equipment and training is just the same, both bear their family crest etc.
>Equipment and training is just the same
No, retard. A man-at-arms was prototype of a modern soldier, his equipment was often a little worse than a knight because it was mass-produced, often quantity prevailed over quality, while each knight's armor was a highest quality and custom made, and that the most important thing it was his property, as opposed to a man-at-arms, whose entire equipment was issued by the king, and at the end of the war he was obliged to return everything to the royal armoury. Also, the training was different because knight was not only a warrior, but also a law reinforcer in peacetime, while a man-at-arms trained only for war and nothing more.
A man-at-arms most often was just a squire equipped for war who is basically just a knight sans being knighted, even holding lands in their own name and everything etc.
>another retard doesn't understand the difference between knights and nobles
Yes, all knights were nobles, but not all nobles had knight title or squire title. So yes, having a noble title does not make you a knight, please check facts before opening your stupid trap.
>as opposed to a man-at-arms, whose entire equipment was issued by the king, and at the end of the war he was obliged to return everything to the royal armoury
Abject fanfiction.
>while each knight's armor was a highest quality and custom made
not always. depends on the country and how rich is his family. most knights with combat experience preferred mass produced stuff
mass produced stuff didn't exist until industrial revolution, each suit of plate was hand-made
"Produced en masse" and "made in a production line" aren't the same thing anon
Don't tell him of Ramesses the Great's chariot production lines, he'll cry.
Waste of gets
Men at arms could be anyone at all buddy
Mercenary is the name of a professional soldier pre standing armies, who wasn't apart of some noble custom for retinues of the best warriors, as has always happened worldwide
Knight should have his own heraldry, M-a-A should wear the colors of his lord.
it was actually pretty cool reading a fantasy novel series where there was like a big army but only a couple of guys were knights and the rest were explicitly called man-at-arms. Everyone had to be knighted throughout the story
Knights, and the rules for being and creating knights wasn't universal over place and time
But being a knight is usually always been reserved for a contractual bureaucratic and primarily martial position
Sometimes for a subset of nobility, sometimes any nobility, or anyone could become a knight
Yet, implies a hugely different line of thinking
Fpbp
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>OP is a gay who jacks it to local lord
The difference is largely social.
>OP makes a thread despite obviously being a never-game shitposter
>Knight will kill you if you dont use his title
>man at arm wont, and might take it as a compliment.
>End up calling everyone in plate a knight just to play safe.
Literally this. It still happens in the army today.
>See officer
>Have to address officer by rank
>Can't quite make out insignia
>Take the gamble on the higher rank, so even if you're wrong, they won't be as mad
Every one of my vet buddies has had this happen.
By the times people were wearing late armour a lot of knights were beginning to renounce or escape military service due the increasing expenses. Most of Edward's army when he invaded France were paid soldiers, not knights.
>anon is an insufferable pedant
"Psssh... I thought you self-proclaimed "warriors" honored the Gaijin variant of bushido and were men of honor, but to threaten m'ladies? Unforgivable...
>I draw my katana
Leave now, this is my final warning!
>I rapidly deflect your countless of polearm strikes with my swift and precise katana blows
So you have chosen...death!
>My battle theme starts playing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wfsBqJ4vdo&;
>I dash forward, bisecting countless men-at-arms after men-at-arms at the speed of light while the poor fools try to surround me. I jump upwards and spin around my axis rapidly
NINPO: THOUSAND STEEL SAKURA PETALS!
>I remain suspended in the air and slash around wildly, sending out shockwaves of energy that eviscerate most of the remaining men-at-arms. The rest flee in fear and panic except for one. I land on my feet in front of him
Hmm! At least one of you has the guts to stand and fight like a man. I guess you're their leader. Well then... local lord-dono, let us settle this like men of honor!
>He lunges at me with his crude, brutish European sword, I dodge every thrust
Heh, that uncivilized weapon of yours is telegraphing your every move! There is no grace to your moves, no flow...
>I spin around and strike the blade of his sword with my katana, the inferior blade shatters directly after impact
Surprised, lord-dono? This is no ordinary blade, it is the katana: the sharpest and most durable blade known to man!
>The local lord stumbles back, I slowly walk towards him in a slow and menacing manner with my katana lifted above my head
Unlike us Gaijin, the great Samurai of the East have honor. They know that each m'lady is a queen, a gentle sakura that is not to be touched
>I decapitate him with a single blow as faster than the mortal eye can see, wave my sword around once to shake all the blood off my weapon and then sheathe my katana
You're a disgusting human being, I won't even tip my fedora at you
>I walk away silently unopposed"
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Nothing personal, weeb.
>The knights of the Round Table had all kinds of crazy superpowers, like Sir Kay was basically Ultraman
>The the French decided to nerf everyone
>Now the French are huge weebs
What happened?
It's complicated but basically the legends of old became presented more and more as some part of history and merged with the memory of real events. Arthur and Merlin (Myrdwyn) did exist, just like Abelard and Eloise, but they were humans. Gawain was likely a solar god, Genuievre was probably some sterile fey or ghost - explaining her lack of kids - hence the name (gwenwifr is "white ghost"). The weird habits of the Round Table knights seem based on celtic customs, like keeping the head of your enemies, eating in circle with your king, taking advice from your Druid, etc.
None of them could survive a hit from a katana wielded by a true gentleman though - they are folded ten thousand times and can cut even diamond, the hardest metal.
Fun fact about gawain: that portion of the green knight story with the beheading is actually predated by a nearly identical story about cuchulainn and some jackass druid king by a couple centuries
I kneel, and all of those who say they don't are filthy liars. You know why you kneel?? Because the katana swipe beheads all that don't.
Hephasteion was mistaken for Alexander the Great just because he was tall and armored.
I've seen a sculpture in an old chapel showing a knight fighting a dragon: his sword was a giant knife because the artist had never seen a real sword - so yes you may mistake a Gros Jean with a real Knight.
Gross Jean is a guy from my Target.
My dude cares less than I do. The titles of foreigners are meaningless to him.
Parallel universe where in DnD there are 9 different martial classes with their own subclasses and only 4 full casters
Okay, which asshole decided to go back in time and kill Reshar?
"Man at arms" and "knight" not mutually exclusive terms. In practice, "men at arms" were mostly knights or men performing military service at the behest of a knight or higher noble. Plate armor and especially a war horse and mounted combat equipment were expensive and cumbersome and thus rarely employed by those who were not noble or directly employed by nobility.
But the real answer to your question is, people know what the fuck you're talking about when you say "knight", and don't when you say "man at arms", because the former is a culturally loaded term (and was even at the time, which was the point) and thus evokes the tools of its time, while the latter is an intentionally utilitarian term whose meaning was intended to shift based on currently available tools. A man today with an arming sword and a suit of armor could be with some accuracy called a "knight", but the man at arms has a rifle.
What's a Man-at-arms?
A man with weapons and armour.
A crude spear and some protective rags apply?
Nobody cares that you watch shadmanversity or whatever that gay youtuber is called
Good. You deserve it, fag.