>the PS2 is retro because… a youtuber said so
>the PS2 is retro because a youtuber said so
This phonograph "reads" a rock’s rough surface and transforms it into beautiful ambient music pic.twitter.com/PYDzYsWWf8
— Surreal Videos (@SurrealVideos) March 3, 2023
Were you guys aware that the letter "u" comes immediately after "t"?
That's how the song goes, man.
There should be a few letters between "t" and "u".
May I suggest "itf"
>thing make me angry
>because zoomer haircut!
fuck you and zoomers
>shows from the 2000s are labeled retro
>video games from the 2000s aren't labeled retro because.....
>shows from the 2000s are retro because... a youtuber said so
>if you think something's retro that means you watch youtubers
>wikipedia, imdb, rotten tomatoes, etc, are youtubers
based retard
>random irrelevant people suddenly matter because... they just do okay??
Retard
>NOOOO YOU CAN'T SEE THE GENERAL CONSENSUS OF THINGS ON DATABASES FOR THEM NOOOOO
ultra retard
>random irrelevant people suddenly matter because... they just do okay??
Retard
>NOOOO YOU CAN'T GET A GENERAL IDEA OF WHAT PEOPLE THINK NOOOOO
>random irrelevant people suddenly matter because... they just do okay??
random irrelevant people write for the newspaper, can you not read the paper to get what's happening?
irrelevant people suddenly matter because... they just do okay??
you mean like society?
this is how you prove you're an asocial schizo
>"youtuber" is the new "reddit" / "redditor"
this says a lot about our society
Tube as fuck post.
shut up Gankerny.
>captcha:MKKKN
this genuinely proves dead internet right? cause no living breathing person can be this dumb
it's over old man, the young men of today only know of the ps3 as "old".
your relics are from an age long gone.
just wait till you realize the ps4 is 10 years old this year and the ps5 still has NO FUCKING GAMES
That's fucking crazy to think about. I swear i only just got a ps4 in like 2016 and it felt like last year.
It's because gaming has basically reached a standstill and shoving gimmicky technologies like RT and VR (which you need to buy $1000+ of hardware to enjoy) are all that differentiates this shit.
In 1996 you would've been playing games like Mario 64, Resident Evil, Duke Nukem 3D, etc which is a massive leap over just 10 years prior when you would've had SMB, TLoZ, Bubble Bobble, etc.
For modern day we have stuff like Dead Space Remake, LoU remake, yearly CoD, ass creed, etc. 10 years ago you had dead space, last of us, yearly CoD, ass creed, etc. Game design is fundamentally identical to games from a decade or two ago even to the point of 20 year old games straight up being remade and often being worse in some ways.
taste problem
The issue is that PS4 and Xbox One were to under powered even when they came out; so to a lot of people the PS360 era just melded with the PS4 era.
At least the current consoles gay-tracing and SSD load speeds.
The issue is that PS4 had no games until 2016 so people forget the first three year happened.
the PS2 is retro because its over 20 years old
t.36 year old
>2003
>SFC, a 13 year old console is retro
>2023
>PS2, a 23 year old console isn't retro
I'm not old fuck you gay zoomie
Is the 360 retro gay? I got married the year the 360 came out. Now I'm divorced and owe alimony.
Is my marriage retro too gay?
>is my marriage retro too?
yeah, a retrospective failure
Haha pwned
jfc
not yet it has a couple more years to hit the 20 year old mark
>owe alimony.
How much
$2500 a month
Should be more for having to put up with a gay like you.
Any kids? How you coping financially and mentally?
Jesus christ fuck marriage
What a scam
Americans will still get married after reading this.
"It won't happen to me!"
God damn dawg. Praying for ya
Alimony really is the most outdated, sexist thing possible
>inb4 "IT"S NOT SEXISTT CAUSE THE WOMANNNZZZ CCLULDDDD MAKE MORE EWNAD HAVE TP PAYYY ALIMONNNYYY"
loool, and what percentage is that?
>lashes out at people for no reason
That's why you're divorced
id argue a 360 is retro, yes.
Yes
Yes it is you moron
Yeah it is. The world doesn't revolve around your life.
It's about to be.
simple as
This isn't true. They had an NES in my dentist office until like 2004.
So, your dentist is the authority which decides what is retro. If they still have it, then even NES isn't.
Go check if they have a PS2 then, so we can settle this once and for all.
I just located the nearest dentist's office and donated a PS2 for them to use. What now gay
The PS2 doesn't look as dated in 2023 as the SNES did in 2003. Technological progress screeched to a halt.
/thread
The PS2 ironically looks more dated because it's playing with technology that has not yet been mastered and games are pretty fucking clearly held back by the limitations of the system. This is such a weird thing to agree with, it was so stupid I assumed everyone was ignoring it.
>because it's playing with technology that has not yet been mastered
Lol maybe early games like GTA 3, by the middle of the gen most genres had good entries in 3D
>by the middle of the gen most genres had good entries in 3D
A PS2 is not even capable of running minecraft. Do I really need to explain this?
>A PS2 is not even capable of running minecraft.
So?
Because there are massive technological differences between a PS2 and a PS3, where PS2 is more of the same as its predecessors but a PS3 begins the transition of consoles to "shitty version of a personal computer."
>but a PS3 begins the transition of consoles to "shitty version of a personal computer."
What do you think the original Xbox was? Morrowind was on there too, the only thing Minecraft has over it in terms of scope is its world generation
I talking about this line of consoles specifically, I don't care about xbox or redditwind.
Okay then you're just a retard
You're a retard if you care about xbox or TES and I'm not shifting the conversation to an entirely different line of consoles for no reason, so I'll accept your concession.
>A PS2 is not even capable of running minecraft
>Minecraft can run on a phone but looks like a PS1 game on the PS2
The processing leap in 7th gen was insane.
Even the first phone to run Pocket Edition (Xperia Play) was technically more advanced than the PS2 with 16x the RAM.
The jump to 3D was really a significant mental breakpoint. The SNES felt “retro” by like 1999, whereas the N64 didn’t feel like that until the late 2000s, and arguably the GameCube and PS2 still don’t feel retro, since games on those systems still generally feel very playable
Retro only applies to 3rd and 4th gen consoles. No one thinks the Magnavox Odyssey was retro. The PSX and N64 are not retro either, they are classic.
>product from 1973
>not fucking retro
Correct, it is Vintage not Retro
its vintage and retro. it can be both at the same time
Correct. retro ends with cds, actually it ends with cartridges, but they kept pushing the fucking goalposts on Ganker so now saying that is verboetten.
Keep coping, Halo 3 will be on Ganker very very soon and there is nothing you can do about it.
>Retro gaming means platforms launched in 2001 and earlier, and official game titles for those platforms released no later than December 2007 (homebrew console games made after this date will be permitted). The Microsoft Xbox, Nintendo GameCube, Nintendo Game Boy Advance, and Sony PlayStation 2 will now be considered "retro".
>The PS2 is Retro because… Ganker said so
>the Ps2 isnt retro despite being 2 decades old BECAUS EIOOM SDGYUILML KL LLKLILLKLK HYOUNG SIDJHGOIASDO(ASDAOSDM<SDGNFHNDGSDG NSDGFKJDFGSBNKJGFSDNV SKLDFV:NDSAX"MP:ASDNMK
take your midlife crisis somewhere else pal...
you forgot
>"LE HECKIN...JUST IS REE!"
>20 years later
>"OOOH SO IM OLD...JUST BECAUSE?!"
>60 years later
>"OH IM LE DEAD...BECAUSE I JUST HAVE TO?!"
By that logic, in 4 years Halo 3 will be retro.
that is correct
thats right. your retort?
It is retro right now.
Ganker says so
I don't get why this shit haircut and screaming about zoomers blew up
at least it's one step above trannies living rent free in everyone's head
nah they still do at least for some people here
You're a retard if you dont understand why people dislike attention span lacking zoomers into their communities. I was born in 97 and even i agree most of the younger zoomers are beyond hope when it comes to established online communities
disliking a certain group of subhumans and acting like a cranky boomer who starts screaming zoomer at the top of his lungs at every slight are different things you fucking braindead gay
Oh fuck off you spastic, you dont even believe what you're saying by using boomer so the only reason you would cry about it is because it affects you negatively. Man up and better yourself if you want to fit in. Dont expect people to just accept you as a cunt of a person.
>projection
Because this site is full of 35 year olds and everyone hates people younger than them
>t. 35 year old
it's so difficult to not absolutely despise zoomers
this literally this, based
fuck their woodstock, their walk-mans, their lingo, their dance moves, their MTV and their HAIR-DOS
go do a battery acid challenge
only after my whippit and ketamine binge, then I gotta go to work at my GRAPHIC DESIGN job, ugh zoomers don't know how good they have it.
The PS2 is almos 23 years old. 23 years before the PS2 came out it was the 70s and Star Wars had just come out.
It's retro.
I think that there is a pretty clear division between the 5th and 6th console generation the jump from the PS1 to PS2 was pretty big and the designs of games changed drastically. I would be fine with keeping 5th gen and early as just retro and start making new classifications would consoles 6th gen and up.
The PS2 is retro though? How old is that machine now?
23 years old
The PS2 released over 20 years ago. It's retro.
Retro is a marketing term gay. It means whatever people generally agree it means.
ps2 wil never be retro
Yes it will you retard. Even if you don't consider it retro today, you seriously don't think it will be in 50 years from now? 100?
There will be a separate term for it's era because that's what retro is; an era.
PS3 is already retro, you are one foot in the grave.
Jeans are retro af that shit is like 100 years old fr fr
Modern jeans are nothing like those jeans. Those jeans are tough and cheap. They were for the working class. The rich NEVER wore shit like that then. Modern jeans are the opposite. They have no durability but cost a fortune anyway so they're popular with the rich. Because they have no durability they have to come "pre-worn" for fashion purposes. They don't last long enough to get genuinely worn.
It's not retro as long as it's still popular.
The superior pant
How do others even compete?
semetary ahh fit :skull:
give literally one reason why the ps2 isn't retro. ill wait.
Nothing with 3-D graphics can be retro.
so quake 1 isn't retro?
No.
Not in the same way Galaga was.
its retro but obviously not as retro as galaga. you are skyhigh on copium right now
because im 27 and calling the PS2 retro makes me " feel old"
>the PS2 isn't retro despite coming out over two decades ago because...i-it just isn't, okay!?
>muttlennials cant handle the fact that they are so fucking ancient that the ps2 is retro
>the 3DS is retro because… a youtuber said so
>it’s a fact because i said so
Okay retard
>>it’s a fact because i said so
thats literally your argument, muttlennial
>ermm ps2 is heckin not retro... b-because i said so!!!!!
I would consider a console that launched a year after Deus Ex released to be retro
PS2, PS3, PS4 are now not retro but classics.
Retro relates solely to visual fidelity. Polygon count jumped so high from PSX to PS2 that similar generational step in graphics is not posssible anymore. Zoomers will NEVER have anything becoming retro during their lifetime. There is no counterpoint to it, only salty zoomzoom revisionism.
that is not what retro means no matter how hard you try to cope with that
>that's not what it means
It literally is retard, retro can refer to style and design. Anon is right, there really is nothing that comes close in the difference of graphical fidelity in the past 20 years as compared to the jumps from Atari to SNES to N64 to Gamecube. Trying to pretend otherwise outs you as a cocksucking idiot who just looks at a calender date and not at the actual consoles or the videogames themselves.
Basically the only people who would agree with you never actually played videogames throughout their history and have no place trying to categorize a subject they're uninformed about.
>no guise, graphics did not improve that much..
>I mean we might have games in 4k now instead of 480i....but that does not count....because reasons.
1983 top selling vidya, ms pac man on atari 2600 home console
2003 top selling vidya, prince of persia sands of time on ps2
2022 top selling vidya, call of duty mw2
You can tell me that the Prince of persia is 20 years old and point at a calender, but I'll look at the videogame and tell you that there's not that big a difference in fidelity, especially in the context of the evolution of the medium. The industry has stagnated and the term has far less meaning than it used to for this 20-year period. I'd be willing to give it to earlier titles like the Orphen SIon of Sorcery PS2 launch title. I don't give a shit if you point at a calender and disagree.
If you cant see a huge difference in the graphical quality between 03 and 22. You are blind or lying to yourself.
Nothing like the difference between 2003 and 1983, or even 2003 and 1993. If you can't admit to yourself that the last 20 years have stagnated graphically due to diminishing returns of poly counts and publisher corner-cutting, you're the kind of retard who needs to speak the least on this topic. A few more points of reference from the best-selling vidya of 1993 and 2013 to fill those in-between gaps. You can point to a calender but that's not the same as pointing to a game. Things have advanced but not as much as you'll lie to yourself about to be able to claim gen 6 as retro with any actual meaning.
1993, SF2 on SNES
2013, GTA5 on 360
>retro is when 2d pixels and primitive low poly 3d from gen 5 games
Better than what you can dome up with, opie. Because after that it's "3D with increasing poly counts you don't notice anyway." With a side of on-disc DLC.
Ironically the most retro thing about Gen 6 was the monitization. and the fact that your games were typically made to be complete when you bought them, without the expectation of day-1 patches to fix glaring launch issues that publishers cut corners on to make release windows, or the game being used as an advertisement to sell cosmetics that cost more than your base purchase to make the game feel less hollow.
So in terms of monetization, I'll absolutely agree that Gen6 was retro.
Yes
>a huge difference in th
stop trolling
Dude is right, the graphical jump from the atari to the ps2 is significantly wider than the one from ps2 to ps4. The debate isn't the existence of a jump, its the amount.
Yeah, I agree with your sentiment as we are already 20 years out from the last cycle as the XBoneX/PS5 is the mark of a whole new 20 year cycle. While these are just terms drawing lines in the sand. There is a pretty big shift in gaming from Gen 5 to Gen 6 that makes a clear distinction from one age to the next that will be debated for years to come.
>PS2, PS3, PS4 are now not retro but classics.
>Retro relates solely to visual fidelity. Polygon count jumped so high from PSX to PS2 that similar generational step in graphics is not posssible anymore. Zoomers will NEVER have anything becoming retro during their lifetime. There is no counterpoint to it, only salty zoomzoom revisionism.
YOU'RE OLD
>PS2, PS3 classics
agreed
>PS4 classic
Wat
>PS4 classic
It's a 10 yo console, hence retro
Truth was spoken.
>This kills the zoomer
I almost feel bad that they'll never get to experience something like picrel. Almost.
97 zoomer here. i did experience the jump. maybe its because im european so we adapted a bit more slowly to things but i remember jumping from quake 2 to half life 2 and i was blown away
>mindbroken Gankeretard can't accept the truth
you can't discuss doom forever old man
Retro is not and has never been about the amount of time that has passed. If you can't accept that then it's not my problem you're a retard.
based
slit your throat
treat your schizophrenia or die already gramps
You can post 6th gen shit in Ganker for a while now
>boomer who can't deal with his age thread n.928346234
Adapt or have a nice day, my man
>dreamcast retro
>ps2 isn't
now how does that make sense
No old games are retro because retro refers to things that imitate the past, not the past itself.
Reminder that by zoomer "retro is defined by years" logic, the top game here is a retro platformer, and the bottom game is a modern platformer.
Correct. What's the issue here?
okay now repost this image with Sunshine in native resolution, interlaced, with no widescreen hack
>the term "retro" is defined by developers' incompetence
that would be correct
yes, correct. your retort?
Given "retro" generically means "from the past", you could argue 6th gen games aren't retro because gameplay has been stagnant for the last 20 years and is still current but the consoles themselves would still be retro.
So if I play a recently released game on a 10+ year old PC does it magically become retro?
your PC is retro, not the game
This post perfectly encapsulates my problem with trying to call 6th gen retro as we haven't really diverted that far outside of fidelity enhancements.
Retro doesn't mean anything to do with enhancements, just passage of time. A fridge from 1950 does the same shit as a fridge from 2020 and yet it would be a retro antique.
see
Yes, that's right
Sunshine controls like Mario is wading through mud and was a step down from 64 in every way but maybe graphics. It is retro but is also more accurately just shit and yes Odyssey plays a million times better than it.
Cope, sunshine has the best mario controls
Sunshine will forever be the worst 3D Mario.
worse than 3D Land?
Yes. The “3D” in land and world is the same 2.5d that Crash Bandicoot and Pac-man World did on the PSX. They are essentially demakes.
>falling for the generational war meme
NGMI
Are millennials the first generation not able to handle being old fucks? I'm gen x. I don't remember the boomers having this problem. I don't remember gen x having this problem. But the millennials seem to be a bunch of overgrown children that get very angry and upset when faced with the reality that they're all fucking middle-aged now.
Life got better as boomers and gen X got older.
It got progressively worse for millennials.
Gen X are the ones known for being depressed and suicidal. Millennials are known for arrested development and communism.
It has been kinda funny to see millennials turn into the very generations they constantly bitch and moan about with 0 self-awareness.
millennials and zoomers are perpetual manchildren. They have no families and no prospects in life, they seek only escapism from torment. We are so fucked you have no idea. If you think boomers suffering in retirement homes is bad wait till you grow senile in a dystopian morally corrupt mutt society
>boomers
>suffering
but they cause the suffering
they get what they deserve, but being hated by your children and left to be abused by Black nurses must suck bad
this is correct but you are also a weeb so i am confliced.
Japanimation website
A reminder, weebs were never wanted here, they are just a by product.
The people moot is referring to are not the same as the "weebs" that you are.
this whole board is literally just manchild muttlennials seething at really stupid retarded shit for children. they think the west has fallen and the garden gnomes are psyoping them because a female video game character for kids has slightly smaller tits and wears a little bit more clothes. its ridiculous.
because its over 20 years old
You just know that a console is retro, when there is an emulator that runs its games better than the original hardware. And Im telling that as a 41yo boomer
N64 and sega Saturn aren’t retro?
They have their respective emulators, so they are retro. Saturn's emulator isnt that great because the console is not that popular, but I have finished earthworm jim 2 there and I can say that its a pretty ok experience. I have 0 complains about n64 emulation. Everything works fine there
>NES was retro when the PS2 released (1985-2000 - 15 years)
>PlayStation 2 isn't retro despite being 23 years old because uh... that means I have to acknowledge I'm old
I'm 30, the PS2 is retro. Stop being this in denial about your fucking age. Do you pretend the wrinkles on your forehead and the crow's feet by your eyes aren't there every time you look in the mirror?
If PS2 started getting called retro then indie pixel shit can no longer sell on being "retro"
there's some truth with this, undertale wouldn't be sold as earthbound but more fagged up
ITT: old farts cant cope with reality
If you are a zoomer you aren’t welcome here and need to leave.
No fuck off we're here to stay old man
I don't care about the opinions of "people" who don't have their foreskins intact
Cope harder. Your daily cope threads about you being 30 or 40 invalidate your opinion.
stop browsing this site and get a family you pathetic millennial creep
Enjoy never owning a home or dating someone who isn’t been railed by a million black men or is a certified chud.
>mutt's law strikes again
mindbroken muttmerican gay. lose weight, fatty.
>muttennial blurts out something about trannies and interracial sex
very telling
The PS2 is retro because it's over 20 years old.
>https://hardforum.com/threads/best-pci-card-for-win98se-retro-gaming-rig.1164518/
If back in 2007 10 years was enough to be retro you can fucking bet the ps2 is retro by now.
Reminder that zoomers are far more communist and gay than millennials.
vocal minority, most are right leaning and straight, every millennial however is a confirmed xe/xem commie fairy
If retro is solely defined by how hold something is then the term is meaningless. Retro describes a style of a bygone era, which is why when you say "retro inspired shooter" nobody is thinking about Call of Duty 4, despite that game being older than fucking DOOM was when it released.
To me it's very hard to describe a console that had Resident Evil 4 on it as retro, because that game is still the blueprint for the modern AAA singleplayer game in a lot of ways. PS2 is "retro'ish" and everything after that is modern. Because 7th gen is when "modern gaming" started.
No, it quite literally just means old. Let me break it down, what's old to you? Now what's retro? Now, what's old and retro to a teenager? Oh right, the definitions and examples change based entirely on personal experience and often reflect the exact same thing for that one person. Meaning "retro" is just synonymous with "old."
>No, it quite literally just means old. Let me break it down, what's old to you? Now what's retro? Now, what's old and retro to a teenager?
I consider Blade Runner an old film but not retro, because it still feels fresh as fuck despite being 40 years old. Meanwhile something like Twilight feels way more retro to me because you look at it and just think "This is a 2000's as fuck movie" so in my mind Twilight is more retro than Blade Runner.
Blade Runner's vision of the future is very much a product of its time and is about as stereotypically retro as you can get.
this. the philip k dick style of cyberpunk that still permeates 97% og today cyberpunk media is quite hackneyed and played out. its most definitely retro.
I would say it's never been more relevant with how rapidly AI is advancing.
>still permeates 97% of today cyberpunk media
It's not retro until modern cyberpunk moves on from it.
thats not how retro works.
No he's right, that is literally how retro works. We don't consider jeans
retro because they never went out of style to begin with.
Yeah it would be because you are still basing it off a pre-established framework as a contemporary. As pointed out in the thread, Jeans aren't retro either even though they are over 100 years old, we still use them in modern fashion. Cyberpunk isn't retro-futurist as it is more culturally relevant outlook of the future than say the Jetsons or Atompunk.
Actually, specifically the jeans in the image, raw denim jeans, are retro
No, retro literally is short for retrograde or by definition in direct opposition to. It refers to something recent that opposes modern trends by imitating classic ones. It's first use was in clothing fashion when people specifically started wearing older clothes to oppose then current fashion trends.
In a gaming sense games like Quake and DN3D are classic shooters while games like Dusk and Ion Fury are retro shooters.
Finally someone actually knows the definition of retro.
Retro = new stuff that looks old.
Vintage = old stuff.
Antique = really old stuff.
They just think retro=old, they weren't even around when Retro was being used back in the early 2010's for some indie games that popped up. Good luck convincing a brain dead moron like
that this is the case that it is more just defining a certain style of games.
>they weren't even around when Retro was being used back in the early 2010's
this shows how old and jaded you are. zoomers aren't necessarily as young as you think. many zoomers were teens in the early 2010s so they would be well aware of this.
that becomes so arbitrary though. you could then easily argue that Doom and Quake are not retro because their DNA is so fundamentally present in even modern fps games. if its around 20 years old, its retro. basta.
His argument is sound, IMO. Mainly in terms of graphical fidelity.
Gens 7, 8, and 9 are all pretty much the same (i.e modern) whereas 6 and below are obviously from a “bygone era” as he put it. 6th gen barely qualifies as retro, and so it’s basically the absolute threshold of what is no longer “modern”. Anything after that can’t reasonably be considered retro.
>Gens 6, 7, 8, and 9 are all pretty much the same
fixed
t.tendie
It was always arbitrary to begin with.
I doubt that most would be able to point out what made Fez such a big game or that Doom was already considered retro even in the Early 2010's. Retro was just more used as a term to outline the technical difference from 5th gen to 6th gen and onwards.
i knew all of that shit and im a 97 zoomer. plenty of the nerds in my grade felt similar. not all zoomers are broccoli haired mutt spouting retards. im not even from an english speaking country and i knew of all that shit.
This. Retro is short for retrograde. It doesn't apply to games that aren't mechanically archaic.
For example, Persona 3 and 5 are mechanically similar enough to have been done on the same generation. Same goes for Tekken, Gran Turismo, or pretty much any shooter like Halo. Their base mechanics and control mechanisms are the same as their current gen iterations.
Old, retro, and antique are all synonyms. Antique in the 70’s was like 30 years old. gays who deal in junk like the “not retro” crowd want that age to be raised to a hundred years because they too can’t cope that their childhood is a relic. Just remember to keep fighting these gays, they are infinitely more but blasted and this increases a risk of stroke and heart attack. Push these fuckers into an early grave. GameStop just listed REmake 2 as retro. PS4 is retro now, lets fucking go! https://www.gamestop.com/video-games/retro-gaming
>the PS2 isn't retro because... I can't accept that I'm becoming middle age and I've done nothing with my life
I’m 34 with a nice house, job and masters and still feel like I’ve accomplished nothing.
>and still feel like I’ve accomplished nothing
Because you're not married with kids, you idiot. When you get old you're supposed to start living vicariously through your children.
I just got out of a 2 year relationship because commitment is scary
so when does something become retro?
>so when does something become retro?
When there's a paradigm shift that completely takes over and dates the previous thing. Like going from 2D to 3D.
For example, say we live in a fantasy world where VR was a 100 times more successful than it actually is. Flat screen gaming would now be considered retro, because the zeitgeist has now moved beyond it. That didn't happen though so flat screen gaming isn't considered retro.
So if that happens does 3D become retro? What about games that came out after the shift from 2D to 3D that were still made in 2D?
So far the goalpost has only really moved from Dreamcast (1999) to including the other 6th gen consoles (2001). I wouldn't expect the needle of what's retro to move for quite a while, and when it does, it'll probably only move to 2004, so that the DS and PSP are considered retro.
around 20 years old.
The graphical leap of each generation was significant until 7th gen happened. The difference in graphics from gens 7 to 8, and 8 to 9 aren’t nearly as mindblowing as they were before gen 7. That’s why 6 can be considered retro— it was the last generation to precede a truly significant graphical improvement.
You're starting to forget, old man. Just the difference in how particles were handled between 6th gen and 7th gen was mind blowing and started enabling fantastic effects. Or how about going from static everything to physics engines being so widespread all AAA and even indies had rigid bodies for whatever.
>Just the difference in how particles were handled between 6th gen and 7th gen was mind blowing and started enabling fantastic effects.
That’s literally what I said, anon. 6th to 7th was the last time there was a mind-blowing leap in grafix. Each generation since then has been extremely underwhelming. Games look better, but they sure as hell don’t look like the difference between Max Payne 1&2 and Max Payne 3.
You already got btfo'd in the last thread and now you're trying again boomer?
He's definitely one of those people who threw a shitfit when the sticky in Ganker changed to allow 6th gen consoles
wait, are you saying people that were either googoo gaga babies when the ps2 came out or still chilling in their dad's nutsack consider it retro? or even younger people?
wow that's fucking crazy anon.
>Because a youtuber said so
I hate how true this is. Gen X can't raise children
>Gen X can't raise children
Gen X's kids are well into their 20s. What you're seeing is the millennials kid's.
Millennials don’t have kids or if they do they’re like 5
Gen X ranges from being mid-60s to mid-40s at the moment. Their kids are all in college or the workforce.
yeah, i'm thinkin the ps2 is retro
>asking a machine if x is y
fucking zoomer
machine is made by muttlennials. your retort?
everything is retro
time doesn't wait for anyone, anon
bro you're old
ps2 is old so it's retro
The PS2 is retro because the console is 23 years old and technology ages much faster than people do.
The Nintendo Entertainment System is very old, Game & Watch is ancient and Pong is primeval.
There's nothing right or wrong with being old, aging is universal, it happens to the best of us and it happens to the worst of us.
Try not to kick up a storm over it, one day the PS2 will be a hundred years old, will you still refuse to call it retro then? No, you'll be too busy telling generation gamma to fuck off when they call the PS5 old.
PS3 is unironically retro bro
Gaming has simply not evolved much since the PS2 era
Super Nintendo to PS1 era was a giant leap.
Now Ps2 to PS5? Not really. Gameplay is still the same. Graphics just have more polygons.
That is why classifying PS2/PS3 era as "retro" just feels wrong.
PS2 definitely has games that just feel like prettier PS1 games, so to me that gen is in a weird middle spot. 7th gen is definitely not retro at all though.
>Ganker - Seething Boomer General
why are millennials in denial of the PS2 being 'old'
a generation of coddled "men" that have testosterone issues cant face any sort of modicum of adversity
Says the generation growing up without steroids in their milk to at least counteract the xenoestrogens you're ingesting in everything. Based kids up to at least 98, hard stop 03 had that going for them. Probably why there was such an increase in average youth height that's now shrinking again.
muttmerica is not the world, retard. test levels and height are fine where im from. in fact, they are improving with our gen z
Oh so entirely irrelevant
Why do so many zoomies regurgitate things that are said by a YouTuber? It feels like a big chunk of vidya "discussion" is just people saying what an influencer said, and they don't come up with their own reasons why they think the way that they do. Best examples are "Sonic Adventure DX is unplayable because of the glitches" or "Pokemon GS are bad because of muh level curve".
>Sonic Adventure DX is unplayable because of the glitches
The glitches aren't that bad. The problem is how they ruined the aesthetics and in some cases there's shit that's completely missing (the lighting engine for example). Thankfully it can be completely fixed on PC
The aesthetics I can understand, but I'm talking about the retards who say the first level is so hard because they watched the Game Grumps failing at the loop de loops over and over again. That was never even a discussion until they uploaded it, and now there's always at least one person who brings it up whenever Adventure DX is the main point of discussion now.
>failing at the loop de loops over and over again
Never happened to me, even on Vanilla DX. This video talks about the actual good reasons why Vanilla DX should be criticized:
Again, you can fix all of that on PC
Never happened to me either. Adventure DX is a good litmus test on certain people to make sure if they actually play the video games they like to discuss, or just watch YouTube vids.
Can't wait to see how big the shitstorm is going to be when Ganker allows 360/PS3 games in about 5 years
360 is over 20 years old at this point already right?
I’m 32 and consider the PS2 retro. It‘s just too different from what we have now. A lot of PS2 games weren’t even designed for widescreen. I often miss those simpler times.
Remember when bun was the hip and trendy hairstyle for men?
I don't know which one is worse
they had to change it because black cant get this one
PS2 is not retro because games from it still have the gameplay of the modern games
>Play retro game
>It's more impressive and jaw-dropping than modern games
It really do be like that.
Anon, it came out 23 years ago
Retro also means outdated technology
Why does the nintendo switch feel like a retro console?
Nintendo realized that graphics were essentially "good enough" by the PS2/PS3 era and that pursuing them further would only result in cinematic movie-game shit that takes 8 years to make.
>movie-game shit that takes 8 years to make.
what is ToTK
Asset flip of a 6 year old game which originally took 5 years to develop.
The wii taught them that they don't need to try, people will just lap it up if they give things a good name.
>zoomers saying "we don't have any money"
>sport a weekly maintenance hair style
I have never seen anyone with this hairstyle outside of hispanic high schoolers
most zoomers dont actually look like this. only boujee kids.
no its retro because it is
The PS2 is retro because it's over 20 years old. When the PS2 came out the NES was less old than that, but was still considered retro. Hell, the SNES was half that age and was considered retro.
Just because you're getting old and something you actively played is now more than 20 years old doesn't make it any less retro
>SOVL IS ON LE HECKIN MENU, THIS LITERALLY THIS, but UNironically!
You are getting older, that's a fact. Blaming younger people for your own demise won't change how the world goes.
I hate to admit it but that console came out more than 20 years ago. Gotta face reality sometimes.
The reality is that "retro" doesn't mean "old" it means thematic style or design of the recent past.
The real fact that you have to face is that games haven't significantly improved in the same time frame as they did before, leaving us with this sort of blurred lines where old things blend into new things with solidified industry standards.
Take gears of war 1 and 5, they basically look exactly the same despite coming out 15 years apart. Only real theme you can tell here is that in the mid 2000s most games were brown where nowadays they're blue.
>The reality is that "retro" doesn't mean "old" it means thematic style or design of the recent past.
You should play PS2 games again and compare them to new releases. A lot has changed (and not for the best in my opinion).
>The reality is that "retro" doesn't mean "old" it means thematic style or design of the recent past.
And PS2 is in the style of early 2000s culture, that is very distinct from today.
The PS2 came out 22 years ago.
If its old, it's retro. Simple as that.
retro != old
so why was everyone already calling the NES/SNES retro in 2003 despite both generations being barely 20 years old back then
Games were evolving and changing much quicker, meaning something felt "old" much quicker, modern games have barely changed since the mid/late 2000's.
because retro != old
What defines retro then?
old = when I was young!
retro is a time period for the early days of gaming
6th gen is old but not retro
The first vidya started in the 60s, so Idk if 80s would even count with that definition
some electrical engineer fucking around is definitely pre-retro
Paradigm different from current one to a point new players cannot play the game without extreme effort and special help.
Call of duty 2 is on the same paradigm as every current year shooter.
Neverwinter nights is on a different paradigm to games like Elden ring and Kingdom come deliverance.
>new players cannot play the game without extreme effort and special help
So, games like Mario Sunshine or Resident Evil HD?
>Neverwinter nights is on a different paradigm to games like Elden ring and Kingdom come deliverance.
sure, but mostly because those games are utterly different kinds of RPGs, and elden ring is the kind that isnt an RPG, for starters.
Alright, I will hear out the pro-retro side. What exactly makes the PS2 games a style of the past?
>Metal Gear Solid 3
>GTA San Andreas
>Resident Evil 4, which is just getting a remaster
>God of War
I am more willing to face the fact that we are just culturally stagnant and nothing much has really changed the current paradigm.
> What exactly makes the PS2 games a style of the past?
the fact that they are a style of the past, right down to exploring gaming conventions, aesthetics and gameplay overall.
But the paradigm the PS2 set is the one we still currently on. While I could meet in the middle that the PS2 was much more of a transitional period, a lot of the games in this era are still recognizable today and the IPS are still kicking around. Wether these IPs have gotten better or not is not exactly the point even if gaming overall has degraded a lot since then.
How is IP relevancy indicative of what's retro or not? Does Mario Odyssey make Mario Bros.- Mario World retroactively not retro then? Face it, the PS2 has a library you could point out from gameplay alone, if not at least guess the gen/era said game belongs to.
You have to be face blind if you can't tell a 7th and current gen game apart aside from indies that try to replicate said era.
The style of Mario Odyssey in terms of design and game play is much closer to Mario Sunshine/Mario 64 than it is of Mario Bros. New Super Mario Bros is much more of a retro revival as it plays closer to Super Mario Bros. if we are trying to compare apple to apples.
While there is a much larger and varied types of games in the PS2 library, it still set trajectory of gamin and the 7th gen cemented it in stone. At least we ditched 7th gen bloom. I don't need my screen smeared with brown poop as a filter.
>3 more years until its 20th anniversary
>The time between Super Mario World and NSMB was 16 years
>The time between NSMB and now is 17 years
Yeah so by the old=retro logic, New Super Mario Bros will be retro as a retro revival of Super Mario Bros.
It should be apparent that this line of reasoning runs up against a wall when it clearly is trying to emulate something which is older to itself. And as
pointed out, the game is older to us now than the game was to SMW at launch. There is a clear hole in this line of reasoning outside of that retro has to do more with a certain style be it technical or aesthetic which fell out of favor.
what the fuck. what the actual fuck.
>What exactly makes the PS2 games a style of the past?
they were good
I can't think of one genre that hasn't improved since then besides driving games.
I'm still waiting for a stealth game to surpass Thief II or a slowmo shooter to surpass FEAR.
It's over twenty years old. I'd classify that as retro.
>the PS2 is not retro because… a youtuber said so
>posts retro-wojak meme
Retro is a term that's applied to the quality of a game, PS2/Gamecube/Xbox can't be retro thanks to the pre-existing terminology
Why is this place so obsessed with younger people enjoying their lives? You are constantly bitching about someone who doesn't know you exist
clean ass fade
Why does the passage of time terrify Gankercels?
ps2 is older to current day than nes was to people when Ganker was created
The 360 is nearing 20 years old.
And we are going to be stuck at the same wall while ignoring how stagnant the last 20 years have been.
everything a generation before the previous one is considered retro.
the ps3 is considered retro.
Growing up with gaming as a zoomer must be so lame
You get call of duty, grand theft auto, and lazy open world games as a kid, then as an adult you get the same call of duty, grand theft auto, and lazy open world games except now they cost $70 and have 10x the microtransactions
Everyone else got to experience massive innovation over time while you get to spend $2k on a new GPU so you can play remakes of 20 year old games at 1080p
yeah millennial devs are cancer.
>Growing up as a zoomer must be so lame
ftfy
but i dont have to play those games. fucking boomer
literally just dont play AAA. problem solved.
that and take advantage of current day emulation/piracy.
Its really that millennials suck at game development.
All the best game devs were boomers or gen x, millennials are incapable of making good art.
So which generation is shitter, the zoomers who grew up with the slop and enjoy it because they genuinely don't know any better or the millennials who actually produce the slop even though they grew up playing better games that were developed by the previous generations?
Millenials let this happen and in most cases made the games that are the diarrhea-feed for zoomers so I'll own that our generation let publishers fuck the industry over.
Both Kirby and Sonic are casual goyslop that led to this situation.
Boomers, as millenials are just doing what boomers did to them to zoomers.
both of them are shit. i am a 1997 zillennial so i get the best of both worlds.
>Access to 99% of games ever made via emulation and piracy
They have it good they just don't know better
The PS2 is older than half the fags who lurk on Ganker these days. So yeah, it's borderline retro now
Just like how boomers should've moved over and passed the power on when you were 25ish it's time for you millennials to move over now.
I go by the vintage car definition of 25 years old being the cutoff
The PS2 is retro because children who weren't even old enough to remember when it came out are now old enough to legally drink.
or maybe because everything about it is old; the technology, the design philosophy of most of its games, the input devices, the graphics, y'know... EVERYTHING.
The PS2 is retro because it's 23 years old. The passage of time doesn't care about your asshurt.
>the best times in my life are "retro"
>my life hasn't been good since it was "retro"
>playing a console game online without having to pay extra fees is about to become retro
>ps2 isn't retro because... gaming hasnt changed much since then!
Please go and actually play some ps2 games, you'll find them very different because many things such as camera controls have not been standardized. Very few games had online multiplayer. Games were more experimental. Also, most games were linear but had a great attention to detail, in contrast to the wide as an ocean deep as a puddle open world slop that every game has aspired to be in the last decade. Just admit the only reason you don't want the ps2 to be retro is because you have gotten old and the present fucking sucks.
What about the original Xbox then? It had stuff like Halo 2, which would go on the standardize a lot of what we now see in modern FPS games, including console online multiplayer. Ninja Gaiden 2004 had online patches and DLC packs that added stuff like full free camera movement.
Still a far cry from the dlc and patching issues that would be seen in the xbox 360 and ps3 days. At least duing the og xbox and ps2 times the games would be in a playable states at launch and wouldn't fleece you for stuff like extra costumes or characters.
By those standards nothing will ever be retro, online multiplayer is just an extention of multiplayer and that shit goes back as fucking PONG, just admit you're dusty sack of bones that needs to stop bothering the living
>By those standards nothing will ever be retro
Things become retro when they stop being the standard, the truth about 6th gen is that there's still a lot about it that can be seen in modern games. So it's not some black and white thing. That anon who compared cyberpunk to atompunk put it very succinctly. Atompunk feels retro because that view of the future is clearly very dated by now. While a lot about cyberpunk still feels relevant today.
This post is objectively correct, which why no zoomies tried to argue against it.
You can jump in elden ring, so donkey Kong arcade is not retro.
Online Multiplayer has been a thing for consoles since the Genesis
oh yeah, totally just like it is nowadays. I guess genesis can't be considered retro now
>I guess genesis can't be considered retro now
Correct, see
>you'll find them very different because many things such as camera controls have not been standardized.
Yet many things were becoming standard. You'll get a weird camera here, some awkward 3D movement there. But the extent of this is somewhat warped by a lot of niche titles gaining relevance over time. More mainstream titles for the time really don't pose as many issues. RE4, GTA3/VC/SA, MG2/3, FFX/XI, etc might not be entirely in the mold of a modern games yet clearly show more modernity than their predecessors. They are games you could hand to someone now and they wouldn't have that PS1 3D jank moment.
Its a question of if modernity is when every single principle has both arisen and been set in most games. Or when these principles have largely been realised and are slowly being implemented. If it is the former you can argue the 360 and PS3 still saw a fair amount of experimentation and non-standardisation.
>that article
>corporate memphis art
lol
people are more corporate than ever now, despite them all drinking the woke coolaid, gen z and millenials are the perfect consumers
good morning
you fags are in such denial about getting older it's actually pitiful
are you still gonna be arguing about the PS2 being "retro" ten years later when you're in your 40's?
>all these seething 30-40 year olds not accepting we and the products we grew up with are OLD as shit
PS2 is old, it's just not retro. Just like the Big Mac is old but not retro.
>food analogy
>and a mcdonalds menu staple no less
L
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Do you scream FOOD ANALOGY when somebody brings up the Big Max Index as well?
THE 'BIG MAC' IS STILL ON THE MENU, IT'S NOT A VINTAGE WINE, IT'S NOT AN OLD RECIPE, IT'S LITERALLY THE MOST POPULAR THING AT MCDONALDS NEXT TO THE MCCHICKEN
YOU ARE A DUMB SILVER BACK moron
GO FREEZE YOUR SHIT AND FUCK YOURSELF WITH IT
>The Big Mac Index sucks because I don't understand it
Many such cases
>double patty hamburger with the works is LE OLD
PS2 if anything is an out of print wine that you can't get anywhere except from eccentric collectors.
>clearly the point of the big mac index is to show how old a menu item is
Like I said, you don't understand it
It's still available, easy to replicate and improve upon, and hasn't gotten better or worse with time so the comparison is retarded.
Fine, I'll spoon feed you gays on what the actual point of it is
v
pegged you, now stop making my country look fatter than it already is.
trying to steer the conversation towards the big mac index is as clear an admission of defeat as flat out saying you were wrong. you might as well stop posting
out of all the retarded food analogies idiots try to use as arguments in this shithole, yours is the worst. now shut the fuck up
i consider what Arino plays to be retro. If i remember right when the ps4 came out he started playing ps1 games
The ps2 is retro because its old like you are gramps
I don't care to read the thread but "retro" implies that something is past its prime or no longer the norm. Because of this 3D not being retro I think is fine because it's still prevalent.
>W Well 3D....who cares if the games are designed very different, look very different, play very different, and basically everything about it is outdated besides it using 3D.
This just in, SNES? Not Retro. it could technically do 3D games. So that means its not Retro!
All of the paradigms from the cartridge loading to the rendering methods and style of games are outdated though. The engines that powered games on the ps2 are still in use and the hardware design is still in place. You have some parts being made slightly different but the architecture isn't outside the norm.
Anon, it's been 20 years.
You know what else is 20 years old? The SN95 Mustang. That doesn't mean it's a classic muscle car.
maybe any console that isn't being sold in store anymore is "retro", simpler definition.
The PS2 was released in 2000, more than 23 years ago, literally old enough to drink
The Atari 2600 was as old back then as the PS2 is now
The console itself was developed in the 90s
Half the fuckers in this board were still in diapers or in their dad's nutsack when it came out
Why would it NOT be retro?
it's retro because it's 20 fucking years old
NES is retro, anything younger than that is just zoomie cope.
so the Master System isn't retro?
>anything younger than that
younger than 1983 or 1985?
>tech and food are the same thing guise!
LMAO. No one EVER calls food "retro", a restaurant? Sure, there are theme restaurants.
Maybe Nostalgic, like a food items from your mom/grand parents. But in by 38 years of life, I've NEVER heard someone call a food item Retro.
How are zoomers going to cope in 20 years when gen alpha starts calling fortnite retro?
Same way millennials cope about zoomers calling the PS2 retro today: denial, and lots of it.
Fortnite will be retro as soon as the battle royale trend dies. It wont take 20 years
>15 years old
Is it old enough to fall under the boomer shooter category at this point?
why does everyone in this board just assume that all zoomers grew up with 7th and 8th gen games
zoomers are both in their mid twenties and are also toddlers to "boomers".
I'll call everything retro just to piss you gays off, fuck you.
Some games on the ps2 are retro. It's hard to tell if the console itself is retro but I guess you could call it that. Shadow of the colossus is not retro.
the console is by definition retro. its antiquated technology.
Holy fuck you people are old. You're the same age as me but you act like my goddamn grandpa.
Sorry I'm too busy enjoying my fucking video games to be angry at children for not being born sooner.
Zoomers being born sooner isn't their problem, its how they act. They go well beyond the "smug overconfident know it all" trope you see older generations put on the younger ones.
>smug overconfident know it all
thats literally every most recent generation. millennials and gen x were exactly the same. if anything, the millennials on this board are some of the most high strung stick-up-their-ass smug fags i have ever seen on this site. they are obsessed with zoomers even though they have barely ever interacted with them
>recent
Look at this fucking thread and tell me zoomers are the smug know it all ones. You gays don't even know what retro MEANS.
Oh they do, they're just in denial because they don't want to face the fact that the days of their youth will soon come to an end.
Time waits for no one.
Hey did you retards know that words have meanings? Retro refers to NEW THINGS THAT LOOK LIKE OLD THINGS. Not just old things.
>PEOPLE ARE LE BORN... AFTER ME!?!?!?!?! FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER SAVE MEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
death by firing squad to all muttlennials
every video game forum, site and community has a consensus that gen 6 is retro yet autists on Ganker and Ganker are in denial
Not even Ganker at this point, they've allowed 6th gen discussion for years now.
yeah but they're still seething over it
In 20 years when AI and VR become the new standard for vidya you fags will still insist that the PS2 isn't retro
you're old
we get it
imo, gen 6 is the last retro gen now and forever not because of age, but because of the things that became the norm starting with/around gen 7. Gen 7 saw the widespread adoption of:
>DLC and microtransactions
>Consoles becoming multipurpose media centers where you make a public profile instead of primarily being about games
>The "always online" model, subscriptions, and purely digital games vs physical copies
>Mobile gaming with the advent of smartphones
>Widescreen display becoming the standard
>The rise of gamer/streamer culture with things like justintv and then Twitch
I know a few of these things were beginning to show their heads in earlier generations with things like the ability to watch DVDs on PS2 or MLG in the early 2000s, but gen 7 was the point of no return imo
Ganker is a shithole. All of these slow side boards are zen gardens for mentally ill jannies. This is evident because someone getting their skull busted open will be up on Ganker for hours, but a slightly off-color remark will be deleted on any side board that gets 3 posts an hour instantly. There is no way a janny is not constantly browsing and posting on those boards, so when you don't use Ganker you are in bed with jannies.
imagine that, the jannies actually do their jobs on vr
>do their jobs
Deleting posts you don't like and making the boards worse is not "their job." Go to resetera if you want that.
keep your posts on topic and this won't happen, bro
>if I don't like it it's not on topic
This is why these boards are dead and shitty, and often have very little to do with their intended purpose and are instead some fat neet's playground.
i like how you're not saying precisely WHY your threads are being deleted, which tells me you're posting off topic garbage only fit for Ganker
I've been banned before for arguing that a game is low quality because it's "starting a flame war." All of these boards are mentally ill jannies looking for ANY reason to issue a ban.
Because Ganker is the containment board, retard. Its intentional.
No, sideboards are containment boards for unhinged staff that has too much influence, which is why we have a billion useless boards.
If PS2 is retro than there's literally nothing to talk about on Ganker except online games, first person shooters and soulsborne games. Might as well make Ganker the main video game thread
>Might as well make Ganker the main video game thread
Ganker doesn't know anything about video games and is younger than Ganker on average. It's just a "too poor to afford a modern computer" thirdie tent city.
The thing is that PS2 games play almost exactly like PS5 games. It will take much longer to call PS2 and Gamecube retro... like by the time humans ascend to 4th spatial dimension, we might start calling them retro.
Shits two decades old.
That makes it retro in my book.
The Xbox One is one decade old
Is it retro in your books too
>make up a guy
>Become mad at made up guy
Why do you think so much about imaginary people?
It's normal for righttoids to be angry about strawmen. Look at how this website has a moral panic every day over people that don't exist.
There's not much difference between ps2 3d and ps5 3d games.
My nephew got ps5 and he play in some 2d games.
>this game is KINO and COMF, so much SOVL! THIS LITERALLY THIS BUT UNIRONICALLY
PS2 IS SILVER AGE YOU FUCKS
>daily aging millennial cope thread
You are old, get over it
We all age. You are not immune to it.
Games from the first half of the 2000s feel distinctly different (better) when compared modern video games. Additionally the PS2 is 2 decades old.
NOOOOOOOO IM NOT OLD IM NOT A BOOMER IM YOOOOOOOOOOOUNG IM NOT RETRO!!!!!!!!!
Top 10 PS5 Games
>published Jan of this year
I guess they finally got to 10
top ps2 games
It is and it's okay to talk about them on Ganker
for me, a boomer, retro is something made before 1990
At what year do we consider things retro? Is it like cars, 20 years is legally classic and 40 is legally antique? Time marches on and we can't consider things modern forever. Halo CE is as old now as Asteroids was when it released.
There's no legal definition so it's solely up to people to argue and bitch about.
>Halo CE is as old now as Asteroids was when it released.
jesus fucking christ
The PS2 is retro because it came out 23 fucking years ago. The NES was 14 years old when the PS2 came out and it was considered retro then.
Everything older than last gen is retro. Fight me, bitch
they call it "retro" because the PS2 was the console they grew up with, not because a random e-celeb said so
this shows how detached you are from real life, as it's pretty clear everything you know about the current youth has been spoonfed to you by imageboards
if you guys studied music history you would understand that these are periods. We dont call shit classical anymore, classical music was in the 18th century. Then we had romanticism, modern post modern etc.
Shit does not become retro over time
It's split by gens, retro is arbitrary and nonsensical. There is no reason to lump the snes with the n64.
>retro only means 90s and earlier
>regardless of the passage of time, everything made later will be considered 'modern'
>"Yes."
>retro only means this period of time
>regardless or the difference in style or graphical quality, everything at two decades will be considered "retro"
>"Yes"
Hypothetically, if the games industry made little to no tech or graphical changes or advances for the next 2 decades, would you consider a game made today that looked nearly identical to a game 20 years from now "retro" strictly because of passage of time? Because if so then I don't even know why you would use the word when it has stylistic connotations that you specifically don't account for and you could just say "20 years old." It would be like using the word "queer" to refer to strange things when it would just create confusion at this point.
Iron Man 1 is 15 years old and still doesn't feel like an "old movie", but Jurassic Park definitely felt old by 2008
>Iron Man 1
>Not dated
That's my point, people say not adhering strictly to the 20-year-old mark are time-obsessed because of pretending their childhood isn't old or some shit, but they seem like the time-obsessed ones who can't look at anything but a game's age and use that as their sole metric for a word that comes loaded with stylistic implications, specifically in this industry with "retro-inspired shooters" as a different anon posted. "Retro" is a term that is different from "two decades old," and treating the two as the same is stupid.
When was the last time you watched Iron Man 1? Even with it being a Marvel movie, it feels very VERY different compared to the modern ones.
>boomers cant handle the concept of time passing
lol
ps3 and 360 are retro, that's why you have people reminiscing about old halo and cod lobbies
It really highlights how little those games have changed when the thing people have nostalgia for isn't even part of the games themselves but how people interacted with eachother online.
y'all making me feel old no cap
t. 2000 boomer
I wonder if people were this autistic about the label "retro" back in the 80s.
Elvis? Cowboy movies? Beehive hair dos? How is this "retro"?!
We all age, better get used to it.
The internet didn't exist so the only way you could argue was with the people you knew personally or by submitting it to the newspaper. This kind of inane arguing was relegated to you and your friends at 1AM after like eight beers, not having to bother other human beings with it.
I think it should go by generation rather than years. Wii/360/PS3 were only two gens ago and people were still buying games that were made for that gen well into the PS4/Xbone's lifespans. A three gen gap should denote a retro status.
We're as far away from 2007 as 2007 was to 1991. When COD4 was released Super Mario World was retro.
You dont get it.
Super Mario World was from my childhood! Of course that is Retro.
While CoD4 came out right after High School, meaning I was an adult, Thus the game cant be retro! That would mean not only am I an adult but OLD!
We're closer to 2050 than we are to 1990.
The Xbox 360 will be legal in about 8 months.
retro just means pixel art and 80's culture
ITT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dFqIqCMT9E
Remember that "Retro" was first used to describe the 1960s, then the 1970's and 1980's, and now it's used to describe the 1990's. It will be used to describe the 2000's and it already is.
I thought that was a Kmart for a second. That Big Lots needs a refresh.
it is retro and im tired of pretending its not
PS2 console is outdated
PS2 games are not outdated
Oh thank God, Shinobi and Nightshade aren’t outdated guys! GTA3 isn’t outdated, it controls just fine! God of War and its fixed camera isn’t outdated! Jak and Daxter precursor isn’t outdated. Jak 2 going full edge lord isn’t outdated! Shadow the hedgehog is bad, but it is right in line with current year!
>almost bump limit
>not a single person has photoshopped the ears out of the op image
disappointing
hnduf bruttttt pfffffft hurrrrrrr ps2 not retro bfffffft haaaaaaaaaaaaaaar trrrrrrrr bfffffft
anything natively 4:3 is retro
In 2000 a game 20 years old from 1980 would be considered retro, in 2020 a game 20 years old from 2000 isn’t considered retro because uhhh ummm uhhh
In 2000, the SNES was already considered retro. Nobody played SNES games anymore. In 2023, we're still talking about Morrowind and Oblivion as if they were the hot new thing
What board are you posting on? The only time Oblivion is brought up is to point to when gaming died.
You think there's a bit of a difference between the advancement from 1980->2000 and from 2000->2020? Or are you a retard?
>that that that doesnt matter
it does to people who aren't retarded
There has absolutely been a major shift from 2000 to today. There are entire genres that are dead that were thriving even a decade ago. To say that there hasn’t been is to be blind at best and completely disingenuous at worst.
>There has absolutely been a major shift from 2000 to today.
I didn't ask that. I'll ask it again. You think there's a bit of a difference between the advancement from 1980->2000 and from 2000->2020? Or are you a retard?
Yes you did ask that gay. And I answered there absolutely has been the same shift. You’re the one being retarded here.
>Hurr drr 3D only major shift
have a nice day, stop wasting precious resources.
I get the feeling that saying shit like the gamecube, ps2, and xbox isn’t retro at this point is all just some weird cope because anons don’t want to admit they’re getting older
this, in reality they're old. i'm 20 btw
In 2040 we will definitely have shitstorms debating whether Fortnite is retro
There will be no more "retro" games because there are no new gaming generations.
The PS3/Xbox 360 generation never ended. That's why fucking Mass Effect, Bioshock, Modern Warfare, Skyrim, Arkham, GTAV, etc. can just come out over and over again virtually unaltered, and people buy them again because they're indistinguishable from current games.
PS2, PS3, 360 and Wii are all retro.
No. PS2 and GameCube are retro, PS3 and 360 are not. Wii is a special case because it was such a short-lived fad of its time, and because its tech was already last-gen by the time it came out.
It goes by generations. 6th gen started in 1998, so PS2 feels retro, even though it came out in 2000.
7th gen started as early as 2005, but since that gen was the start of the online FPS being the dominant genre, and we haven’t seen much change in genre (nor huge leaps in tech) in gen 8 and 9, it still feels very close to the present.
I thought of a great example.
>Resident Evil 3 comes out in 1999
>Resident Evil 3 Remake comes out in 2020, is a completely new game that only copies some fundamental plot cues
>Resident Evil 4 comes out in 2004
>Resident Evil 4 Remake comes out in 2023, is exactly the same as Resident Evil 4 with minor remixes because the Resident Evil franchise hasn't fundamentally changed since then and even the 2/3 remakes were basically just "Those games in the style of Resident Evil 4" to begin with
You can look at this picture and immediately perceive that only one of the four games in it is "retro"
Your example is bad, cause modern games copied RE4 over The shoulder Camera. Re4 was The first onez dude. See other genres and you Will understand why 6th generantion is retro.
Consoles I had as a small child = retro
Consoles you had as a small child = zoomer shit heaps
Not racist, just don't like 'em. Simple as.
Ganker bait is so weak yet people just bite regardless.
boomers all over the thread.
you'll be one of them.
sooner or later.
damn Ganker posters really are mental
Very pretty!